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Mean Girls with Jenny Jaffe · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have
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Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best
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Speaker 1: start changing it with the bel casts. Hello and welcome
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Speaker 1: to the Backdel Cast. My name is Caitlin, my name
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Speaker 1: is Jamie. I don't know why did I do that
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Speaker 1: weird thing at the end. I don't know. I wanted
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Speaker 1: to match you, though, I love We're so on the
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Speaker 1: same page. Love you. Well, here we are talking about
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Speaker 1: women in movies once again thet time. I mean, we've
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Speaker 1: been doing it for a while. I know, I'm so
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Speaker 1: proud of us. I you know what it is. It's
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Speaker 1: a good thing for structure. It's a good thing for
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Speaker 1: our friendship. It's a good thing for our friendship with Aristotle.
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Speaker 1: It's a good thing for you know, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. Man.
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited a man like man. Sometimes it's like
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Speaker 1: when we're looking for guests for the show, we're like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: who's super funny who do we have a friend crush on?
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Speaker 1: And then let's just make it so so our guest today.
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Speaker 1: She has been a writer for college Humor, MTV Disney,
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Speaker 1: and she has a show coming out on i f
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Speaker 1: C which she is the star and creator of, called Neurotica.
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Speaker 1: Jenny Jeff Hi, I can't tell you how many times
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Speaker 1: I've considered starting a podcast with the express purpose of
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Speaker 1: making friends in l A. And I think that's kind
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Speaker 1: of a hacky move but at the same time, but
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Speaker 1: it does work so far, so good. I mean, everybody
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Speaker 1: out here like just wants to be on podcasts, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, well, the thing that, man, I've been having
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Speaker 1: a rough week with Los Angeles, the city that I
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Speaker 1: am still not sure if I like or not. Where
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Speaker 1: it's just everyone's always around, you know, like everyone's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I can do a podcast at two pm, because no one.
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Speaker 1: That's why I have I'm not making the friends though,
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Speaker 1: is because all the people I would be friends with
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Speaker 1: are doing shows at night, which is the only time
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Speaker 1: I'm free, because you've got you have a day job, right,
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Speaker 1: so or the other thing is I'll be like, come
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Speaker 1: by and get lunch at the studio or something like.
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Speaker 1: That's the only other way I can. Well, you should go.
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Speaker 1: You can go to those shows that the people are
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Speaker 1: on and then be like, hey, I thought you were funny.
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Speaker 1: That's true. I'm a very bad comedy audience though. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And then you have to go to a show I like,
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Speaker 1: and I do like going to two shows obviously like
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Speaker 1: I like comedy a whole lot. But the problem is, like,
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Speaker 1: if I don't like something, I have absolutely no ability
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Speaker 1: to pretend that I do. It is all over my face.
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Speaker 1: And if it's a new friendship and I don't think
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Speaker 1: they're funny, I won't be able to hide it. It's
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Speaker 1: something I need to work on. Really, I just don't
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Speaker 1: have a poker face, man. I mean that's a good problem.
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Speaker 1: Now if you also honest, there's also just more bad
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Speaker 1: comedy shows in the world. When they are a good
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Speaker 1: comedy shows, you really do roll the dice everythingle I
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Speaker 1: started doing comedy so that I would stop hiding from people,
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Speaker 1: and then so I would have to be around people
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Speaker 1: at night because I am not a killing I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you don't know this about me, I'm not
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Speaker 1: a party gal. What. I don't go to parties. I
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Speaker 1: think the one time I showed up at a party,
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Speaker 1: you were bowled over and I was too, and I
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Speaker 1: left pretty quickly. The secret to parties is if you
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Speaker 1: come for twenty minutes, people remember that you're there, and
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Speaker 1: they'll never remember that you left exactly exactly. And you man,
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Speaker 1: Caitlin's better at parties, and I I don't. I just
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Speaker 1: came a social butterfly. You but like, but you're you're
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Speaker 1: good at it. You do a good job. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll show up and then it's like, but
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Speaker 1: now I'm not talking to anybody. We should talk about
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Speaker 1: the movie that we're here to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we watched it together. This week. We're watching more and
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Speaker 1: more movies together. I love it. It's fine. Couldn't make it,
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Speaker 1: this one, this one, it's fine. Have you seen this movie? Though? Aristotle?
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Speaker 1: Oh good, Okay, he's given a big nod. That was
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Speaker 1: an emphatic knod. We're talking about mean girls, Jennyonine. Did
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Speaker 1: you first see the movie? Came out when I was fourteen,
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Speaker 1: which was like the perfect at and my class in
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Speaker 1: middle in high school, I went to school with basically
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Speaker 1: the same kids for seven years, was notorious for being
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Speaker 1: a class of very mean girls. Really yeah. In seventh grade,
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Speaker 1: one girl told all the rest of the other girls
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Speaker 1: not to talk to me for a year, and they
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Speaker 1: all listened. Yeah, I know I had some horrible bullying
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Speaker 1: stories and she asked me to like retweeter Kickstarter at
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Speaker 1: one point. So we're all good. Um, I should say
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Speaker 1: that maybe I should go. He is listening. Um, we
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Speaker 1: have millions of listeners on our podcast, including Everyone's Time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we have a big high school bully following this is
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Speaker 1: this is all to say that. Like, so when it
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Speaker 1: came out in eighth grade, like one of the moms
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Speaker 1: of one of the girls like sent out an email
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Speaker 1: being like, we should all go see this movie, Like
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Speaker 1: all the girls should go see this movie. And I
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Speaker 1: think I like didn't go because I was too nervous
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Speaker 1: to be around those girls anymore than I had to be.
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Speaker 1: So it was a very timely movie for me. And
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Speaker 1: it is like, maybe the thing I remember most about
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Speaker 1: it is that when I went to go see it,
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Speaker 1: it was the first time I had seen the Fandango
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Speaker 1: Bollywood bag puppet ad do you guys remember? And it
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Speaker 1: was the hardest I think I've ever laughed at anything.
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Speaker 1: I was like, this is so funny, this is comedy,
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Speaker 1: and this is what this is what it means to
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Speaker 1: be a comedian. So I laughed about that through like
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Speaker 1: half the movie, which is a great movie, is super
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Speaker 1: funny anyway, but like, for some reason, just the b
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Speaker 1: the fact they were bag puppets, it was very appealing.
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Speaker 1: I really liked it. Yeah, I remember remember about the
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Speaker 1: actual viewing experience. I didn't. I didn't see this movie
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Speaker 1: in theaters. I think I too. So I was eleven
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Speaker 1: when this movie came out, and all the moms at
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Speaker 1: our church youth group, they were like, Oh, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: We're going to teach the girls to respect each other,
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Speaker 1: you know, and all this stuff, and I didn't. I
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Speaker 1: was sort of fortunate to go to a high school.
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Speaker 1: Middle school was tough for me because I were bad
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Speaker 1: brace and so you know, there's no getting around that.
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Speaker 1: But high school, my high school is so huge that
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Speaker 1: bullying wasn't really a problem because you could. You know,
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Speaker 1: someone might bully you a single time and then you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't see them for weeks, and then they would forget
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Speaker 1: because there was six thousand kids there. I had a hundred. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the smaller high school, it's the worst it is. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just didn't know most of the kids in my
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Speaker 1: high school, and they had no idea who I was.
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Speaker 1: So even if it was like, oh, bad Brace girl,
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Speaker 1: but then you know it was new for them. Every
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Speaker 1: time they were just like, who is this freak? And
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Speaker 1: then we're back Brace girl. How many bad brace freaks
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Speaker 1: go to this school? Uh? So it was it was fine,
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Speaker 1: and we were sorted into buildings like Harry Potter. And
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Speaker 1: that's the true thing about my high school. Really. There
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Speaker 1: are four different buildings and you got put in one
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Speaker 1: year freshman year at random. No sorting ceremony was in
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Speaker 1: the azure building. Where did you go to high school?
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Speaker 1: I went to high school in Bracton, Massachusetts. It's a
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Speaker 1: ship hole in southern Massachusetts. And there was the red, yellow, green,
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Speaker 1: and azure for some reason, not for as sure, and
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Speaker 1: the stereotyped were like Azure was for like brainy losers
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Speaker 1: and red was for raven cloth well red foot, Red
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Speaker 1: was like well adjusted cool people. Yellow was for like
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Speaker 1: idiots and uh yeah, and and and then green was
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Speaker 1: for the rest fletherin. That's really that works out it.
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Speaker 1: All it did was affect your cafeteria and like where
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Speaker 1: you ate and had homeroom, but you were you were sorted. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: I saw this movie when I was eleven with my
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Speaker 1: church group. I think I was a little bit too
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Speaker 1: young for it then, but I liked it. I wish
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Speaker 1: i'd seen it in theaters, So I don't remember if
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Speaker 1: I saw in theaters or not. But it came out
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Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks before I graduated high school,
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Speaker 1: and I don't remember if I saw it right away
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Speaker 1: or if it was maybe within the next year after that.
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Speaker 1: But I saw it pretty soon after I came out.
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Speaker 1: And then I was like, Oh, my goodness, isn't miss
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Speaker 1: Mavie Emmer. And then I bought it on DVD and
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Speaker 1: then everyone else is like, this is the best movie ever.
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Speaker 1: And then I was like, well fine, and then I
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Speaker 1: and then I forgot about it kind of. I sort
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Speaker 1: of outgrew it, and now I have some thoughts which
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Speaker 1: we will talk not anymore. I don't really I wasn't
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Speaker 1: getting that read for me when we were watching it. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm very difficult to read it, Jenny. I have a
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Speaker 1: very good poker face. You got exclusively a poker face. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that I don't emote any emotions. I'm just a
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Speaker 1: weird robot. I am Caitlin a robot. I know we
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Speaker 1: need to balance each other out and I wish we
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Speaker 1: could like hold hands and like some of your emotions
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Speaker 1: could leach into my body. I would love for you
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Speaker 1: to take something. There's too many and I don't have enough.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, how about the recap? Let's do it? So
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Speaker 1: Mean Girls focuses on a character named Kay Dharon played
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Speaker 1: by Lindsay Lohan. She moves to a new school in
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Speaker 1: Michigan where she's going to go to school for the
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Speaker 1: first time. Oh sorry, yeah, my bad. Atting Coston is
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Speaker 1: like a cool little place place I did the Northwestern
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Speaker 1: College program. I got to be there first summer, and
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Speaker 1: the coolest thing about it to me was that it
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Speaker 1: was where Katie Heron lived. Yeah right, okay, yeah, so
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Speaker 1: I'm dumb it states anyway, um uh. So she moves
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Speaker 1: to a new school and she has never been to
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Speaker 1: like public school before. She's only been homeschooled because her
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Speaker 1: parents were researched zoologists in Africa. So she's like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, I'm in a new school. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how to be a person. So she meets a couple
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Speaker 1: of friends, Jane Ian and Damien, and they're like, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna be friends with you, and we're a teacher of
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Speaker 1: the lay of the Land, and then she meets the Plastics,
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Speaker 1: which is this group of three young women who are
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Speaker 1: mean girls. Hey that's the name of the movie. And
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Speaker 1: Janice has some beef with the queen Bee of the Plastics,
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Speaker 1: Regina George. Regina like sort of takes a liking to Katie.
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Speaker 1: So Jane is like, hey, you should like hang out
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Speaker 1: with Regina and pretend to be her friend and then
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Speaker 1: we can like dish on all the stupid stuff that
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Speaker 1: they say. But things get a little out of hand.
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Speaker 1: Katie sort of becomes one of the Plastics herself, and
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Speaker 1: then she has some lessons to learn, some friendships to repair.
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Speaker 1: There's a boy that she has a crush on, and
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Speaker 1: Hare and Samuel's that was That's where the October four
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Speaker 1: joke comes from. Me Where is October because the other
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan October things on October eleventh, My birthdays on
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Speaker 1: October eleventh. And then they put the picture together we
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Speaker 1: should do that parent trap. Yeah, Hallie, we're like sisters,
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Speaker 1: Like we're like twin and then they cry and hug.
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Speaker 1: That movie definitely passes the backtel time. That movie with
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Speaker 1: Flying Colors, Lizzy Lowen and herself. Million doesn't count, though
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Speaker 1: if it's the same woman talking, it does. And then
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Speaker 1: there's CHESSI Chessie, Yeah, Chessie's awesome. And then Natasha Richardson
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Speaker 1: is is Dennis Quaid in it? He had dad? And
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Speaker 1: then there's um Meredith is supposed to be twenty six
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Speaker 1: in it, which is which makes me upset? That is crazy?
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Speaker 1: She was that lady? Does that mean we can date
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Speaker 1: Dennis quaint me? Does that that been sliding scale? I've
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Speaker 1: been dating Brandy, I want to be quaite and Jason. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty much the stories. I just got sucked up
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Speaker 1: in parent trapay. Oh yeah, Well going back to mean girls,
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Speaker 1: um so yeah, Katie she becomes a mean girl herself,
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Speaker 1: and then Miss Norberry a Ka Tina phase, like you
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Speaker 1: guys have to learn how to be better to each other,
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Speaker 1: and then everyone sort of makes up at the end,
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Speaker 1: and there's a spring laying dance, there's a mathlete competition,
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Speaker 1: Regina George is hit by a bus by the way,
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Speaker 1: and one of my favorite plot times, Yeah, so I
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere suffered that stupid thing. I do like
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Speaker 1: that they got away with it, Like, what a crazy
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Speaker 1: thing to have to be like, and then she gets
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Speaker 1: hit by a bus and they were like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna trust you with this one. It just feels
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Speaker 1: like a prank that someone got away with, presumably Tina
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Speaker 1: Fay Right by the way, I was a mathlete in
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Speaker 1: high school. Did you have a jacket. I didn't have
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Speaker 1: a jacket. We only did I think like two or
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Speaker 1: three competitions that I was a part of um. But
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Speaker 1: we had mathletes at my school. Well, your school might
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Speaker 1: have been cooler than mine. Maybe maybe it was kind
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Speaker 1: of like cocarts. Right. Did you have a headmaster named Dumbledore?
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Speaker 1: We had? Well, no, we had a principal named Dr
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Speaker 1: zach Owitz. Same thing. She was pretty cool. Oh, I
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Speaker 1: like that she was a woman. Yeah. Great, Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: her husband was a history teacher, so she had a
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Speaker 1: very nice beta husband, who is like, my wife is dope.
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Speaker 1: Good role models. I love a good beta husband. I
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Speaker 1: love beta males. Give me where are they? They're everywhere,
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Speaker 1: but they're just mine's downstairs. You gotta find them your
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Speaker 1: beta mails downstairs. Man. I think that I've skewed two
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Speaker 1: alfa recently, and I've really I've got to be like
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Speaker 1: where you gotta be sneaky. You got sneak up on them.
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Speaker 1: They school kezy. If you bring your net, you'd be okay,
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Speaker 1: you can trap them, you can do it. And then
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Speaker 1: you say, Okay, now I'm going to fix you. Yeah. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: that's the the story of me and girls. Let me
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Speaker 1: just start by saying that I have con Okay, so
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Speaker 1: it's not that I hate the movie, but I definitely
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Speaker 1: don't think it's aged well and I think it's pretty
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Speaker 1: problem at it and I'm experience. I experienced it the
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Speaker 1: same way that I experienced Heathers, which we talked about
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Speaker 1: on an earlier episode, where it's like, Okay, great, it's
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Speaker 1: a movie about women, but a lot of them hate
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Speaker 1: each other and they say horrible things to each other,
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Speaker 1: and it portrays women in this like very catty, competitive
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Speaker 1: way where they're really mean and awful to each other.
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Speaker 1: And I just want everyone to get along. I just
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Speaker 1: want a movie where everyone gets along and there's no conflict. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm kidding, Like that was very much my experience of
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Speaker 1: the women I knew when I was sort of in
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Speaker 1: my early teens, is that it is very competitive. People
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Speaker 1: don't get along like it was, and I don't think
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Speaker 1: that's the case necessarily. I think that it's a bad
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Speaker 1: stereotype about women, that that's how it always is, and
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Speaker 1: that I think as you get older, I think that
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Speaker 1: you start to realize like, oh, like these are my allies,
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Speaker 1: and these are like the people who I care about,
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Speaker 1: and like some of the competition dies down, and then
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Speaker 1: I think it's like what happens is you realize that
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Speaker 1: you've been pitted against each other at some point, and
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Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, fuck all, y'all, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: be with women and men are going to have to
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Speaker 1: earn my trust, not the other way around it. And
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Speaker 1: like that was what happened to me. Was like I
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Speaker 1: felt like there were a bunch of women I thought
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Speaker 1: just and from and I was like, oh, it's because
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Speaker 1: like the men in my life were douche bags, and um,
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Speaker 1: I think that's sort of what happens at some point
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Speaker 1: is you realize how much a society is built on
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Speaker 1: making you feel competitive with other women, especially when you're
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Speaker 1: in like the industry and stuff. Yeah, I mean where
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Speaker 1: there's days where it still feels that way, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I I guess for me, this is sort
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Speaker 1: of like portraying like, I think it's a pretty you know,
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Speaker 1: it's it's obviously it's a movie, but in terms of
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Speaker 1: portraying something sort of close to what it could actually
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Speaker 1: look like in real life is important to to get
15:53
Speaker 1: people to relate because I feel like we if we
15:55
Speaker 1: just have a movie where you know, like women are
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Speaker 1: totally supporting each other and getting along, um, doesn't make
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Speaker 1: for an interesting movie. Not that interesting. But then also
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Speaker 1: like I don't know, like if it was a movie
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Speaker 1: about teenage boys not getting along, would we have a
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Speaker 1: problem with it? Probably not. I don't know. I'm sort
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Speaker 1: of I've got a specific piece stuck in my head
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Speaker 1: right now that I read this morning in Harper's Bizarre
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Speaker 1: by Jennifer Wright, who's writer I really like about how
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Speaker 1: like the idea of feminism is getting conflated with all
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Speaker 1: women having to like each other and what Stepford wives,
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Speaker 1: the kind of environment that that encourages, where it's like,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to like other women. You can think
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Speaker 1: other women are stupid and wrong, and you know the
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Speaker 1: way you could think men are stupid and wrong. You
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Speaker 1: just need to respect them on a basic level, believe
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Speaker 1: that they have the same rights that you do, and
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Speaker 1: you're still like, I don't know, Like being being a
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Speaker 1: woman who's a feminist doesn't mean that you can't have
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Speaker 1: a negative opinion of another woman, especially if what they're
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Speaker 1: doing sucks, like do you or doesn't match up with
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Speaker 1: with your values or whatever. So that's I haven't like
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Speaker 1: fully processed it, but it's something that I was thinking
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Speaker 1: about in relation to this movie, of like, it makes
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Speaker 1: sense that a lot of the characters in this movie
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Speaker 1: wouldn't would be pitted against each other. And yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's like portraying anything unrealistic or things
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Speaker 1: that don't happen, because yeah, these things, like a lot
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Speaker 1: of women this age do treat each other this way,
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. Could we argue that maybe
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons that like women feel that they're
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Speaker 1: pitted against each other or that they feel it needed
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Speaker 1: to be competitive in meat to each other, are movies
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Speaker 1: like this that perpetuate the stereotype. Could we argue that
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Speaker 1: maybe not? Maybe So, I don't know. Yeah, Well, when
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Speaker 1: you guys saw this movie for the first time, which
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Speaker 1: character resonated with you the most? I would say probably
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Speaker 1: Janice Ian. Yeah, me too. I think of the sort
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Speaker 1: of mother. I was the girl who said that Regina
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Speaker 1: George punched her in the face. Like the thing is
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Speaker 1: like I wasn't even at a level where I thought
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Speaker 1: I could even try to be popular, like you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, nor would I want to, Like
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to die for most of high school.
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Speaker 1: But that's like that's the whole separate story. Like I
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Speaker 1: just did. But it wasn't like a motivating factor for me.
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Speaker 1: But I really liked this, I guess idea of like
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Speaker 1: a world where there was redemption possible for whatever this was,
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Speaker 1: or there was some way to heal or through like
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Speaker 1: my high school. Like it was weird because like I
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Speaker 1: went through all of high school where I was like, yeah,
18:43
Speaker 1: all the movies are correct, Like this high school is
18:45
Speaker 1: like terrible and there's like a couple of kids who
18:47
Speaker 1: are like ridiculously popular and attractive and all this stuff,
18:50
Speaker 1: Like that's how every high school is. I don't have friends,
18:53
Speaker 1: that's normal. And then I got out of my I
18:55
Speaker 1: went to a very small, very preppy high school, like
18:57
Speaker 1: we got mentioned on the o C. Like that's the
18:59
Speaker 1: level of preppy that my high school was. And um,
19:02
Speaker 1: because we're known for having cocaine dealers, like we were
19:05
Speaker 1: really coke high school, really preppy, really rich, Like really
19:10
Speaker 1: what area I grew up in? Silicon Valley. Um, I
19:14
Speaker 1: hated my high school. I hated high school, but I also, like,
19:18
Speaker 1: to be fair, I don't know I would have liked
19:20
Speaker 1: any high school because I was just going through a
19:21
Speaker 1: lot of issues at the time. But like when I
19:25
Speaker 1: graduated and that talked to people who had gone to
19:28
Speaker 1: anywhere fucking else but my high school, I was like, Oh,
19:33
Speaker 1: I only thought my high school was normal because high
19:35
Speaker 1: schools on TV seemed like that too, Like because like interesting.
19:40
Speaker 1: So there is an aspect of it too that I
19:43
Speaker 1: think might be reinforcing, but it was also really reflective
19:46
Speaker 1: of my experience, which was like the weirdest little inselur
19:49
Speaker 1: bubble where I think, I mean, part of the reason
19:52
Speaker 1: this movie I don't think it's ever bothered me is
19:54
Speaker 1: because I don't think I've ever seen a movie that
19:57
Speaker 1: reminded me of my high school experience, and including this one. Yeah,
20:01
Speaker 1: Like so for me, it's like entertainment high school and
20:06
Speaker 1: entertainment and high school in the way I experienced it,
20:09
Speaker 1: which wasn't great and it wasn't you know there was
20:12
Speaker 1: a lot of problems, but there it's just it just
20:14
Speaker 1: seems so separate that it never even like I don't
20:18
Speaker 1: even think I really tried to relate with it that
20:21
Speaker 1: much because I was I was like, oh, well, you
20:24
Speaker 1: know this, everyone knows each other at this high school.
20:27
Speaker 1: So like, here's the thing. Here's the thing about about
20:31
Speaker 1: Mean Girls and my high school experience. That's totally separate,
20:34
Speaker 1: but maybe it maybe interesting. So when I was in
20:38
Speaker 1: high school, I should have mentioned in my credit So
20:41
Speaker 1: I founded a mental health nonprofit and I spent two
20:44
Speaker 1: years out of the comedy world sort of like doing that.
20:47
Speaker 1: And I have talked a lot about my mental health
20:50
Speaker 1: stuff and that sort of thing. But one thing was
20:53
Speaker 1: in high school, I was in really intense um exposure
20:56
Speaker 1: therapy for this like all encompassing fear of throwing up.
21:00
Speaker 1: And part of this therapy was that they handed me
21:02
Speaker 1: a list at the beginning of the thing where I
21:04
Speaker 1: had to watch movies that included scenes of somebody throwing up.
21:08
Speaker 1: Guess what Mean Girls has twice is mentioned a vomit,
21:12
Speaker 1: and I know exactly where it is because I always
21:15
Speaker 1: get nervous when that part comes on. Even to this day,
21:17
Speaker 1: just because like it's like an old reaction. But so
21:20
Speaker 1: I watched Mean Girls a lot because it was a
21:22
Speaker 1: movie I loved that also had a scene with puking
21:24
Speaker 1: in it because Katie throws up on like Aaron Samuel's lap, right,
21:28
Speaker 1: which is like a really tough scene for me. Like
21:30
Speaker 1: lots of reasons, but like, yeah, so that's an interesting
21:33
Speaker 1: sort of I know. So I know, like where every
21:35
Speaker 1: movie has a puke scene, had to mentally clock it,
21:40
Speaker 1: and Two Things I Hate About You has one too,
21:41
Speaker 1: which is another movie that I had writing at this age.
21:45
Speaker 1: My most memorable puke scene is from Do You America
21:50
Speaker 1: World Police? Oh yeah, fantastic puppet. Just yeah, that's yeah.
21:56
Speaker 1: Exposure therapy is, man, we should we should talk about
21:59
Speaker 1: that off because I went through exposure therapy last year.
22:02
Speaker 1: I should definitely talk about this. Yeah, it's holy fun.
22:06
Speaker 1: Like I still, man, what a what a fun? Maybe
22:09
Speaker 1: I need exposure therapy for feelings because I'm so afraid
22:12
Speaker 1: of them. I mean just regular therapy is the best
22:16
Speaker 1: thing for that. Yeah, everyone should be in therapy, I agree.
22:21
Speaker 1: I finally got insurance back. It takes six months through
22:25
Speaker 1: the Animation Guild working in the Animation Guild to get
22:27
Speaker 1: insurance through them, which is crazy. I'm just so Monday congratulations.
22:33
Speaker 1: I am just starting on medica. Unfortunately for my therapist,
22:37
Speaker 1: because I whatever, like I met him like in the
22:42
Speaker 1: e R and he was like, I am yours now
22:46
Speaker 1: like diagnosed me with O c D and bipolar and
22:48
Speaker 1: all this stuff I really needed and didn't know. And
22:50
Speaker 1: so now I'm like, I don't. I never want to
22:52
Speaker 1: leave him because I feel like you saved my life,
22:54
Speaker 1: but also no insurance covers him. So it's just this
22:58
Speaker 1: thing where the American system is terrible and steadily getting worse,
23:04
Speaker 1: and what are you gonna do. I'm never going to
23:06
Speaker 1: leave him. I'll go into debt. I don't care. I
23:09
Speaker 1: think that therapy should be free, the way that like
23:12
Speaker 1: you can get free books at the library. I don't
23:14
Speaker 1: know why that's not just a social service that we
23:16
Speaker 1: have because we don't value mental health. That's what physical health,
23:21
Speaker 1: and we barely value physical health very much. Oh are
23:24
Speaker 1: you a woman? Do you have a pre existing condition?
23:28
Speaker 1: Too bad? Go and die. That's what the Republicans say. Boy, okay, wait,
23:34
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go back. Mean girls, Well, a few things.
23:39
Speaker 1: One of the few reasons this movie does not hold
23:41
Speaker 1: up very well. The word retarded gets said three different times,
23:47
Speaker 1: so that's like, oh, that's a very oh for. I mean,
23:52
Speaker 1: that's that's another thing where I'm in no way justifying that.
23:56
Speaker 1: But if we're kicking it too oh for, that mean,
24:00
Speaker 1: at least in my experience, that was dropped quite a
24:03
Speaker 1: bit in pop culture and in my middle school. Yeah,
24:08
Speaker 1: it's pretty remarkable the amount of sensitivity we have acquired
24:13
Speaker 1: as a culture since the Bush administration. And like it's
24:16
Speaker 1: I know, it's like dropped off precipitously with the rise
24:19
Speaker 1: of actual fucking Nazis, but like there is also it's
24:23
Speaker 1: pretty it's cool. Like legitimately, there are a lot of
24:26
Speaker 1: kind of like weird gender jokes and stuff in this
24:30
Speaker 1: movie that I don't think would have been Yeah, well,
24:33
Speaker 1: I mean whenever, like Janice is going through the cafeteria
24:37
Speaker 1: and be like, here's where all the clicks sit, and
24:39
Speaker 1: she's like, this is where the girls who eat their
24:41
Speaker 1: feelings sit, and here's the girls who don't eat anything.
24:44
Speaker 1: Basically like body shaming women, mental illness shaming other women,
24:50
Speaker 1: and then like all these different like racial stereotypes. Yeah,
24:54
Speaker 1: there's a lot of jokes about Asian people. There's uh,
24:57
Speaker 1: there's gay jokes. Damien's expect like, there's a lot of
25:01
Speaker 1: stuff I would need to It's a hard thing because
25:06
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to say that any of this
25:08
Speaker 1: is like okay, but that if we're talking about how
25:11
Speaker 1: people talk about each other in high school, that doesn't
25:15
Speaker 1: that's not incredibly unusual where I think of some of
25:19
Speaker 1: the words that were thrown at me in high school
25:23
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you know, this movie is only
25:25
Speaker 1: one pg thirteen, so you couldn't say, hey, there's the
25:29
Speaker 1: girl with the ol bow up her asshole. Yeah, I
25:32
Speaker 1: got a lot of I got a lot of lesbo
25:36
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, you're half right, but yeah,
25:42
Speaker 1: just you know, it's like, um, I think just stuff
25:45
Speaker 1: that it's partially two thou four and it's partially stuff
25:49
Speaker 1: that just kids in high school say, and then like
25:52
Speaker 1: there's a tiny part that's problematic. Fave of Tina Fee,
25:56
Speaker 1: who I love, even though I think she has some
25:59
Speaker 1: really huge blind spots when it comes to especially talking
26:01
Speaker 1: about race and to think you know, it's one of
26:05
Speaker 1: those things where it's like I think she has net
26:09
Speaker 1: put more good into the world than bad, but really
26:14
Speaker 1: really tough listening to her defend certain choices she's made
26:17
Speaker 1: and thinks she's written and the Native American storyline and
26:21
Speaker 1: came exactly I'm thinking about too well. I think her
26:26
Speaker 1: character ms Norberry is poised as being like this wise
26:31
Speaker 1: woman who like she she's an ally and she's gonna
26:34
Speaker 1: give you all the answers on how to treat each
26:38
Speaker 1: other better as a woman. But I would argue that
26:39
Speaker 1: she is the most problematic character of them all. And
26:43
Speaker 1: let me explain why. There's a few scenes where she
26:47
Speaker 1: is talking to a character, usually Katie, and being like, hey,
26:52
Speaker 1: here's a reason that you should do this, and the
26:53
Speaker 1: reasons are always problematic. For example, she's trying to get
26:57
Speaker 1: Katie to join the athletes and she's like, yeah, we've
27:00
Speaker 1: of to have a girl on the team so that
27:02
Speaker 1: the team could meet a girl. Not because women need
27:06
Speaker 1: to be represented in mathematics, not because it would be
27:09
Speaker 1: good for Katie or because she's good at math women
27:13
Speaker 1: Is that exactly, um, But it's so that the boys
27:18
Speaker 1: on the team could have a chance to interact with
27:21
Speaker 1: a woman. That was her reasoning for Katie joining the maths.
27:24
Speaker 1: She was joking because she's a female math teacher, Like,
27:26
Speaker 1: surely she has, yes, but then it keeps happening another scene,
27:30
Speaker 1: whenever she's like, you, girls, towards the end, when they're
27:33
Speaker 1: all in the gymnasium, you've got to stop calling each
27:35
Speaker 1: other sluts and horse, because that just makes it okay
27:38
Speaker 1: for guys to call you sluts and horse. But like
27:40
Speaker 1: she's also the reason she's giving is always like how
27:43
Speaker 1: these women like their experience is related to two men,
27:47
Speaker 1: because she doesn't say, oh, it's because slut shaming is
27:51
Speaker 1: wrong and you should like be building each other up
27:54
Speaker 1: rather than tearing each other down, Like there's that. And
27:57
Speaker 1: then finally, during the math like competition, whenever they're two
28:01
Speaker 1: teams are about to go up against each other, Miss
28:04
Speaker 1: Norberry goes up to Katie's like, you can do this.
28:07
Speaker 1: There's nothing to break your focus because not one of
28:09
Speaker 1: those mary Mount boys is cute. Again, bringing her experience
28:14
Speaker 1: back to like how it relates to men. She didn't say, oh,
28:17
Speaker 1: you can do this because you're good at math, or
28:19
Speaker 1: because you've prepared a lot for this, Like it just
28:22
Speaker 1: bothered me that all the reasons she kept giving for
28:24
Speaker 1: different things were like it's how, it's how your experience
28:28
Speaker 1: relates to men in some way. So it bothered to me. Yeah,
28:33
Speaker 1: I get maybe I'm being nippicky. No, I think that
28:36
Speaker 1: those are valid points. Um, I don't know. I mean
28:39
Speaker 1: the thing that the thing that always bothers me about,
28:43
Speaker 1: especially like mid Odds, Tina fe characters earlier lots Lemon
28:46
Speaker 1: is just like, do you if they stop pretending that
28:48
Speaker 1: you look like ship, you don't look like ship, you
28:50
Speaker 1: look great, stopped like the whole, the whole for where
28:53
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm not that cute, I do math, I'm
28:55
Speaker 1: not the games. It's like you're beautiful, Calm down. Um,
28:59
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of what she said, for sure,
29:02
Speaker 1: is in reference to men, but but also seemed clearly
29:08
Speaker 1: communicated as a joke or a lead into a visual
29:11
Speaker 1: like the Mary Mount Boys, and it cuts to I
29:14
Speaker 1: thought that in particular was because Katie had broken her
29:17
Speaker 1: focus through the whole semester because of Aaron Samuel's So
29:21
Speaker 1: I thought that particulars just her saying like, well, you
29:24
Speaker 1: don't get Aaron Samuel's here, so like, and her character
29:29
Speaker 1: dealt with That's that Aaron Samuel's thing pretty well? Yeah,
29:32
Speaker 1: in terms of calling her out where that you know
29:34
Speaker 1: the scene where she's like, well, it's weird because all
29:36
Speaker 1: your work is correct, but only the answers, and she's like,
29:39
Speaker 1: you don't have to dumb yourself down to like in
29:42
Speaker 1: Prescott press a guy. Yeah, I mean she still is
29:46
Speaker 1: the most problematic character, Like she right off the bat
29:49
Speaker 1: assumes that the black girl in classes uh who is
29:53
Speaker 1: from Michigan is the African girl. But yeah, not saying
30:00
Speaker 1: I don't think your reads are wrong, I just don't.
30:02
Speaker 1: I think in the context of the movie, they're not
30:05
Speaker 1: like the most problematic things about the movie, even though
30:07
Speaker 1: the movie does have a lot of problematic things. I mean,
30:09
Speaker 1: doing this podcast has basically ruined me. I'm now like like, oh,
30:13
Speaker 1: this movie isn't fucking perfect, Like I could be more.
30:18
Speaker 1: It's ripping up the bandon a lot. Well, I don't
30:20
Speaker 1: know if that's I mean, I think this is like
30:22
Speaker 1: one of the places that we've come to and like,
30:25
Speaker 1: I don't even know that slut shaming was a concept
30:27
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four that people were don't I
30:29
Speaker 1: don't think we gave it a name at least, I mean,
30:32
Speaker 1: it was happening, but we weren't like identifying. It's like, oh,
30:35
Speaker 1: this is there were sluts, but there was not the
30:38
Speaker 1: concept of shaming yet. People were slut shaming, but we
30:42
Speaker 1: didn't have it. We didn't have a word for it.
30:44
Speaker 1: We weren't saying like, you shouldn't do this because that's problematic. Two,
30:49
Speaker 1: I was getting slush shamed every day. Kid. I don't
30:54
Speaker 1: know what, like the closest to perfect in that regard
30:59
Speaker 1: movie is. I'd be interested to try. And because I
31:02
Speaker 1: think every movie has a pretty huge blind spot, because
31:05
Speaker 1: every person has a pretty huge blind spot, and they're like,
31:08
Speaker 1: everybody messes up, and the only thing anybody can do
31:12
Speaker 1: is when they mess up, and when they're like, oh wow,
31:14
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about this blind spot that I had.
31:16
Speaker 1: You're right, and I will do better in the future,
31:19
Speaker 1: and like then you just keep learning. And that's a
31:20
Speaker 1: place where I think Tina Fey's failed a little bit.
31:22
Speaker 1: But everybody gets to have a problematic faith, I think.
31:25
Speaker 1: And I think she's a good one. She's a good one.
31:29
Speaker 1: She's a Tina Fey. At least we have a women
31:31
Speaker 1: writer for this movie, and it was Tina Fey wrote
31:33
Speaker 1: it and then she adapted it from the book by
31:35
Speaker 1: Rosalind Wiseman, which is such a cheesy book but I've
31:38
Speaker 1: never read it. Queen Bee's and Wannabees We that was
31:42
Speaker 1: a part of the whole church group deals. You also
31:44
Speaker 1: had to read the book with your mom. I remember, like,
31:47
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of stuff like that
31:49
Speaker 1: where my mom was reading a lot of books like that,
31:51
Speaker 1: and I don't know how much they really helped her,
31:54
Speaker 1: because like the real issue for me in high school
31:57
Speaker 1: was mostly just making sure I didn't kill myself. So like,
32:00
Speaker 1: I don't know how many of the much any of
32:01
Speaker 1: those books ended up factoring into how she dealt with me,
32:04
Speaker 1: But like I do know she or like she watched
32:06
Speaker 1: like the movie like thirteen and stuff, and I'm like,
32:08
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lose my virginity for a solid seven years,
32:12
Speaker 1: so let's shift the focus, right, Yeah, my mom didn't.
32:17
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think my mom was sort of
32:18
Speaker 1: just like, well, I realized things don't look too good.
32:23
Speaker 1: But my mom what she tried to do, actually, which
32:25
Speaker 1: is kind of antithetical to the whole mean girls church
32:29
Speaker 1: group thing, was my mom actively tried to steer me
32:34
Speaker 1: into what she was in high school, which was a popular,
32:39
Speaker 1: well liked gal um and I guess I'd really have
32:43
Speaker 1: to do to dig deep to figure out how I
32:46
Speaker 1: feel about it. But I guess that she did that
32:49
Speaker 1: with a small degree of success. Where I, you know,
32:54
Speaker 1: my interests were reading and playing yobo, and I did
32:59
Speaker 1: ballet dancing, but usually I was wearing a back brace.
33:01
Speaker 1: And then my mom started being like, oh, you should
33:04
Speaker 1: join the drama club. You know, you should join the
33:06
Speaker 1: dance team. You should do this, you should do this,
33:08
Speaker 1: and she pushed me in a more conventional direction, which
33:12
Speaker 1: I wish she hadn't done, but also at the time,
33:15
Speaker 1: I listened. So I guess what I'm saying is my
33:18
Speaker 1: mom is my problematic fame. She's yeah, it's it's weird
33:23
Speaker 1: because and then you think, like the generation before us
33:26
Speaker 1: was influenced by all this ship as well. And I
33:30
Speaker 1: don't know what the mean girls for their genera that
33:33
Speaker 1: it just didn't exist. Oh true, pink ladies. Yeah, I
33:39
Speaker 1: don't think I need to reach that. Yeah. Oh hold
33:45
Speaker 1: on one second, let's just chuck the rest of this
33:47
Speaker 1: and stop that. Right. Musicals and I hate the lift
33:50
Speaker 1: from Dirty Dancing, that's right. I hated off Joel Schumacher
33:54
Speaker 1: directed fam of the Opera two thousand and four and
33:57
Speaker 1: think a terrible adaptation but also a terrible music. But
34:01
Speaker 1: I love it. I will have the phantom to talk
34:04
Speaker 1: with you, like anytime please. Okay, this is very bad.
34:07
Speaker 1: It is mostly a movie about how to run an
34:09
Speaker 1: opera house poorly, and then has a couple of scenes business,
34:14
Speaker 1: oh my god, are we yeah, we should talk about it.
34:19
Speaker 1: Spare me these unending trials. I'm leaving. I don't want to.
34:29
Speaker 1: And then I enjoy Patrick Wilson's interpretation of role. I
34:33
Speaker 1: do too. I think he's underrated. It's like, Wow, Christine,
34:36
Speaker 1: do you want to marry the ugly murderer rapist or
34:38
Speaker 1: the handsome nice guy who's actually a good act is
34:42
Speaker 1: actually a solid actor and can sing. And she's still like,
34:45
Speaker 1: oh this is Butler cannot hit the top note on
34:49
Speaker 1: music of the night. He can't hit one job. It's
34:52
Speaker 1: so bad. Okay, that's our shout out, the Schumacher shout out.
35:02
Speaker 1: The only musical I like is Team America World Police. Yeah.
35:07
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep mentioning on this epico. It's got the
35:09
Speaker 1: best song ever, which is Pearl Harbor sucks. And I
35:11
Speaker 1: Love You. That's such a good song and I think
35:14
Speaker 1: about it all the time, the montage song love it,
35:17
Speaker 1: even though they already did it in an earlier episode
35:19
Speaker 1: of South Park Fun. You can recycle your material, trade Parker, Well,
35:23
Speaker 1: have you seen Cannibal to Musical and how do you
35:25
Speaker 1: feel about it? I have not seen that. No, it's brilliant.
35:27
Speaker 1: It's there. You'll probably if you like south Park Bigger,
35:29
Speaker 1: longer than cut and uh and Team America, then it's
35:32
Speaker 1: a kind of a trilogy. Hell yeah, it's It's got
35:35
Speaker 1: a lot of the same jokes and you see where
35:37
Speaker 1: a lot of like really early jokes came from. And
35:39
Speaker 1: I'll watch it. It's very delightful, cool, good guys, good guys,
35:43
Speaker 1: love them friends of the cast. I haven't seen that either, fantastic.
35:50
Speaker 1: I don't have the money to go watch things on stage.
35:53
Speaker 1: What you have to do is start writing for a
35:55
Speaker 1: clickbait website and then just be like, hey, I'll write
35:57
Speaker 1: about it, and then hopefully they forget that. I've seen
36:00
Speaker 1: Scarlet ears hire me BuzzFeed. I did stand up on
36:04
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed once and well, I'll put the link in the commice.
36:09
Speaker 1: It was an experience I'm changed, BuzzFeed, remember suff he changed.
36:15
Speaker 1: We haven't really talked about the plastics that much, No,
36:17
Speaker 1: we haven't. So we've got Regina George Rachel McAdams kills it.
36:23
Speaker 1: She that's so good. I agree with that good, which
36:27
Speaker 1: is weird. One. I've never particularly drawn to her in
36:29
Speaker 1: anything else, but she just like, I mean, all three plastics,
36:32
Speaker 1: and I don't we were talking about this. I don't
36:34
Speaker 1: like Amanda Seaford that much, or Cyfred. I never like
36:37
Speaker 1: her in anything becau so I forget it's her because
36:41
Speaker 1: I like it. She was in the Mamma Mia musical movie,
36:45
Speaker 1: which was am absolute well. I mean it's not a
36:49
Speaker 1: great musical, but like it's like, yeah, it's a bad, bad,
36:53
Speaker 1: bad movie. And then uh whoa uh Lacey Shabert Eliza
36:59
Speaker 1: Thorny the born Berry as a Gretchen Wieners. She Gretchen
37:03
Speaker 1: is my favorite plastic mine too. I think if they're
37:06
Speaker 1: Gretchen is the closest I could get to connecting with
37:09
Speaker 1: a plastic of she is me too. She's showing up
37:13
Speaker 1: for the Jewish American princesses. She like well because she's
37:17
Speaker 1: like she is a subordinate, but she's also just as
37:21
Speaker 1: smart as her boss as it were. And I man,
37:26
Speaker 1: I just I have a real soft spot for Gretchen Winers,
37:29
Speaker 1: especially when she does that speech about Julius, Caesar and Brutus.
37:33
Speaker 1: That is where I come closest to feeling for her
37:37
Speaker 1: of like, oh, she just really wants but also that's
37:40
Speaker 1: the makings of a monster if you give that person power.
37:44
Speaker 1: But she never gets it because it goes to Lindy Lewen. Yeah,
37:48
Speaker 1: and really good in this movie. This is like this,
37:51
Speaker 1: and then she's Freaky Friday kind of in the same year,
37:53
Speaker 1: and then passions of a teenage drama Queen. We start
37:56
Speaker 1: to right yea, then we start to lose her and
37:58
Speaker 1: be fully loaded. She's gone. The Canyons is next. Um, wait,
38:03
Speaker 1: was that it's the movie she did with James Dan
38:05
Speaker 1: like three years ago, the porn star. Wait, I was
38:09
Speaker 1: also a rapist. Yeah, it's like he's not a thing anymore.
38:13
Speaker 1: He's a bad person. She did this movie, and uh,
38:18
Speaker 1: the article that was maybe it was in the New Yorker,
38:22
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but a really fascinating article by somebody
38:25
Speaker 1: who basically like hung out on set and like watched
38:28
Speaker 1: this travesty unfold and I do feel for Lindsay Lohan.
38:33
Speaker 1: I think she's I feel very bad for her. She's
38:36
Speaker 1: a casualty because she was delightful in a lot of
38:39
Speaker 1: these Uh. I thought she was very very delightful in
38:42
Speaker 1: this movie. She's talented. And and also I think that
38:46
Speaker 1: this is a and and this has nothing to do
38:49
Speaker 1: with feminism. However, so many people shine in their roles
38:55
Speaker 1: that you don't usually see them shining, and it's like, oh,
38:57
Speaker 1: this movie is very well written beause there are so
39:00
Speaker 1: many actors that I'm very underwhelmed bying any other movie
39:03
Speaker 1: who I just this part is written perfectly for them.
39:06
Speaker 1: And then there's Amy Poehler who's just starting, Amy Poller,
39:10
Speaker 1: just starting to peak. Thirty Rock hadn't happened, Parking Wreck
39:13
Speaker 1: hadn't happened. She's still on SNL at this point, I think, yeah,
39:16
Speaker 1: still in us now. And Tim Meadows is the best
39:19
Speaker 1: part of the whole movie. His jokes, I think are
39:22
Speaker 1: the best. When he's like, oh, keep your hair all night.
39:26
Speaker 1: We can't keep him here past four. I'll keep you
39:28
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39:39
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39:41
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39:46
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39:52
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39:56
Speaker 1: His arms. Yeah, he's totally built for a comedian. He's tone. Yeah,
40:01
Speaker 1: I'm just like what, he's a toned man. He doesn't
40:04
Speaker 1: have to because he's a comedian, but um, don't tell him.
40:07
Speaker 1: Hopefully he says that way forever. Good looking guy, good
40:10
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40:14
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40:18
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40:20
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40:24
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40:28
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40:30
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40:35
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40:44
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40:46
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40:53
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41:00
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41:09
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41:12
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41:15
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41:18
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41:20
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41:22
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41:27
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41:50
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41:54
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41:57
Speaker 1: and it was a horrible, horrible, horrible person. And it
42:00
Speaker 1: came out later that he had invented the Chippendales and
42:04
Speaker 1: never gotten any credit for it. I would just like
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42:54
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42:56
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42:59
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43:03
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43:05
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43:07
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43:12
Speaker 1: I saw like the off Broadway version of it in
43:14
Speaker 1: State College, Pennsylvania, where I did go to college to
43:17
Speaker 1: get one of my two degrees in films. Oh my god,
43:21
Speaker 1: I hate bringing it up. I really don't like to
43:23
Speaker 1: be the one to mention that I do have a
43:25
Speaker 1: master's degree in screenwriting. But um, you know, sometimes someone
43:28
Speaker 1: just so you're like the most qualified person to talk
43:30
Speaker 1: about this movie. Absolutely not, no, you are, I have
43:34
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43:41
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43:47
Speaker 1: I went to Everton and they let you do that there.
43:49
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43:52
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43:54
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43:56
Speaker 1: not have So I like have a degree, but like
43:59
Speaker 1: not not to It's not not two degrees. Has anyone
44:04
Speaker 1: seen Hard Candy with Patrick Wilson. Yes, I love that movie.
44:09
Speaker 1: So I saw that movie for the first time, We're hard,
44:12
Speaker 1: Dad watch yeah, because Patrick Wilson gets castraight on like
44:16
Speaker 1: it's that's why it's hard to watch. She's also a pedophile.
44:19
Speaker 1: He's a pedophile, but also Ellen Page. I never I
44:22
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44:25
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44:28
Speaker 1: don't know how old she isn't that that movie, but
44:31
Speaker 1: there's in life. She'd just remember being fucking like floored
44:35
Speaker 1: by my She's cut off his deck and my dad
44:38
Speaker 1: sitting right there. This is why did your dad take
44:41
Speaker 1: you to see Hard Candy? We watched it together on
44:43
Speaker 1: i f C. Why I don't know. I do not know.
44:47
Speaker 1: I could not tell you. First of all, shout at
44:48
Speaker 1: the DIFC. Second, why did you guys screen this? When
44:51
Speaker 1: Jay made her dad, I think I like walked in on.
44:55
Speaker 1: My dad went through real indie film phase, which I
44:58
Speaker 1: think was he was just like this is where they
45:00
Speaker 1: show breast on TOPI. My dad's only ever gone through
45:03
Speaker 1: a James Bond phase, and there was about racing. My
45:06
Speaker 1: dad likes movies about race cars, race cars, my dad,
45:10
Speaker 1: and my dad writes about race cars. He contains multitudes. Really,
45:12
Speaker 1: my dad that's my dad, like hobby, he's really really
45:15
Speaker 1: drive race cars yet. My my dad, he used to
45:18
Speaker 1: cover professional race car driving in New Hampshire, So I
45:21
Speaker 1: used to go with him, what kind, what series or anything?
45:25
Speaker 1: I it was it was NASCAR, and then it was
45:29
Speaker 1: also like d really yeah, I remember that. There was
45:33
Speaker 1: I forget what her name was, but there was a
45:34
Speaker 1: female truck driver who don't think ever was a very famous,
45:37
Speaker 1: but she was like my hero when I was so
45:39
Speaker 1: because she was like this badass female pickup truck driver
45:43
Speaker 1: and we go and I'd be loud and I'd be scared,
45:45
Speaker 1: but then I get to touch her hand and it
45:47
Speaker 1: would be exciting. That's awesome. Did you know one woman
45:49
Speaker 1: in trucks? Raymond Bork kissed me? You know somebody named Yeah,
45:54
Speaker 1: he's a famous hockey player in the Boston Bruins. He's
45:57
Speaker 1: a legend. That's how I would name a hockey player.
46:00
Speaker 1: A sketch, right, Raymond Bork. And then once when I
46:04
Speaker 1: was a baby, there's a picture of me kissing my
46:07
Speaker 1: little baby forehead. And then my dad was like that
46:09
Speaker 1: was more important than her baptism. Raymond kiss my baby
46:14
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46:21
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46:25
Speaker 1: the podcast Who Knows Anymore? I'm enjoying myself Mike's Harder, Harder,
46:32
Speaker 1: very sober right now. But in regards to I do
46:35
Speaker 1: like that they plant the idea in young women with
46:41
Speaker 1: this script that no one is just ever pure evil,
46:45
Speaker 1: and Regina George is given some depth as to yes,
46:49
Speaker 1: she is horrible and we see her do all this
46:51
Speaker 1: horrible stuff, but then you see her home life and
46:53
Speaker 1: you see I don't know, like when when I saw
46:56
Speaker 1: this movie for the first time, the idea that a
46:59
Speaker 1: popular girl had insecurities was something that had truly never
47:04
Speaker 1: occurred to me. Um so in in that way, I
47:08
Speaker 1: think that that was I think a positive thing for me.
47:11
Speaker 1: Of it doesn't justify the behavior in any way, but
47:14
Speaker 1: it also is just like, well, everyone has their thinks
47:18
Speaker 1: that that they're concerned about, and no one is as
47:21
Speaker 1: perfect as they whatever. Sure, I like that the main
47:26
Speaker 1: female characters outnumbered the main male characters because if you're
47:31
Speaker 1: considering all those people, yeah, I mean between Katie, Janice, Regina, Gretchen,
47:36
Speaker 1: Karen and then likes Kevin Barry, we'll throw in there.
47:39
Speaker 1: Those are like the main women, and then of the
47:43
Speaker 1: and then you've also got like Regina's mom and Katie's mom,
47:46
Speaker 1: and then of the main male characters who have the
47:48
Speaker 1: most screen time, it's really only Damien and Aaron, Samuel's
47:51
Speaker 1: a little bit Kevin, You've got yeah, and Shane omen principle,
47:56
Speaker 1: Coach Car the principle, but those are all more secondary
47:59
Speaker 1: or tertiary characters. So like we should say, Coach Car
48:03
Speaker 1: is we're we're too some uhh um, which is hard
48:10
Speaker 1: because they you know, they do not call that out.
48:14
Speaker 1: And and that's like a weird little subplot that is
48:17
Speaker 1: like we are saying, like there's a there's a lifetime
48:21
Speaker 1: movie going on here, like where it's both racist and
48:25
Speaker 1: excusing a pedophile. That is one of the things that
48:28
Speaker 1: bothers me more about this movie, as these two characters
48:32
Speaker 1: they're basically treated as the same character, and they don't
48:36
Speaker 1: really speak English, so we never know, and they're just
48:38
Speaker 1: like caddy girls who are being you know, manipulated by
48:42
Speaker 1: the same pedophile, which is gross to me because something
48:47
Speaker 1: like that happened in my high school by my middle
48:50
Speaker 1: school track coach. Uh. Fortunately, I was a little bit
48:53
Speaker 1: too young to be his type. But it's but yeah,
48:58
Speaker 1: like it's somebody like that too. I don't know. Like
49:00
Speaker 1: the way that that very very tiny storyline is handled,
49:04
Speaker 1: it feels like normalizing that in a way that like
49:07
Speaker 1: that's never resolved, and it's almost like, you know, the
49:11
Speaker 1: coach looks silly, like I've been caught, but the girls
49:16
Speaker 1: look silly too, and it's like, no, they're they're they're
49:20
Speaker 1: the victims of this grown man who is the really
49:23
Speaker 1: funny scene about don't have sex, but they're like the
49:27
Speaker 1: hilarious irony where he's the guy who's like, never have
49:30
Speaker 1: sex or he'll die, and he's so that is That's
49:36
Speaker 1: one of maybe my least favorite part of this movie,
49:40
Speaker 1: because at least most of the storylines are problematic but
49:43
Speaker 1: at least handled with a fair amount of humor and irony,
49:46
Speaker 1: but that one is pretty much just used as a joke.
49:51
Speaker 1: Down to the Tip Meadows line of like step away
49:53
Speaker 1: from the teenage girls coach car and it's just like
49:56
Speaker 1: he's a rapist. Yep, they're is that? So throughout this
50:02
Speaker 1: we're given the back story that Janice Ian was teased
50:05
Speaker 1: and she's constantly being called a lesbian and a dike
50:08
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and then her moment of redemption
50:11
Speaker 1: is when she's standing in the gym scene where she's like,
50:14
Speaker 1: I guess it's because I have a big lesbian crush
50:17
Speaker 1: on you. So that where at lands as being a
50:20
Speaker 1: lesbian is still like not good. And Janice it turns
50:24
Speaker 1: out which you know, is not I think she is
50:27
Speaker 1: not a lesbian or she's you know, we were never
50:29
Speaker 1: given the exact story, but the way, the way that
50:32
Speaker 1: subject is left is she treats being called a lesbian
50:37
Speaker 1: very sarcastic, and it's an insult. The way it's because
50:40
Speaker 1: every time Damien's like, oh, this is why she hates
50:44
Speaker 1: Regina George so much, because she spread this rumor and
50:46
Speaker 1: eighth great about and then she's like, dude, no, don't
50:49
Speaker 1: say it. Like yeah, the idea of like anyone might
50:52
Speaker 1: thinking that she is a lesbian is horrifying administration where
50:58
Speaker 1: that truly could have Yeah, it made people social, It
51:02
Speaker 1: made me a social pariah briefly of like wait you yeah,
51:08
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's bad. It's bad. It doesn'tyone
51:11
Speaker 1: have any final thoughts about the movie. I still like it.
51:14
Speaker 1: I know that it has an h well in all respects,
51:17
Speaker 1: but m I still like it. It's still entertaining. Does
51:22
Speaker 1: the best bactal test does it does? Sure, there are
51:26
Speaker 1: a lot of scenes where women are talking about a
51:28
Speaker 1: man um, but there's a lot of scenes where they're
51:30
Speaker 1: not um. Janis and Katie talk about other women that
51:34
Speaker 1: you talk about. The plastics a lot, talk about Regina
51:37
Speaker 1: George a lot they talk about. But then they also
51:39
Speaker 1: talk about like friendship and and you know, things like that.
51:43
Speaker 1: Katie and ms Norberry talk about math. The plastics talk
51:47
Speaker 1: to it almost it sounds almost like a jokey passive effect.
51:53
Speaker 1: The plastics to each other about you know, clothes, about
51:57
Speaker 1: their bodies and how they're ashamed of them to some degree,
52:00
Speaker 1: things like that. So plenty of scenes where the movie
52:03
Speaker 1: passes a Bucto test. So hey, that's cool. Um, we
52:07
Speaker 1: can rate the movie on our nipples scale. Let's do it.
52:12
Speaker 1: We have a scale zero to five nipples where we
52:14
Speaker 1: write the movie based on his portrayal of women. I'm
52:17
Speaker 1: gonna give it. I'm gonna give it three and a
52:18
Speaker 1: half nipples for the reason that I think that it's
52:23
Speaker 1: a you know, it is not the fairness Bible. It's
52:27
Speaker 1: a good place to start for young girls, particularly girls
52:30
Speaker 1: growing up at this very specific time. I think that
52:34
Speaker 1: it started a lot of important conversations, even though it
52:36
Speaker 1: didn't handle everything perfectly, just seeing uh, major Hollywood movie
52:42
Speaker 1: with mostly female leads is important. Does not do great
52:47
Speaker 1: with race. This is not a very diverse movie. It
52:49
Speaker 1: certainly has its shortcomings, but most of but by and large,
52:53
Speaker 1: for your your average teenage girl, I think it is
52:56
Speaker 1: a good place to start, and it is a good
52:58
Speaker 1: movie to be in the el. And it also makes
53:00
Speaker 1: me laugh a lot. Um. So I'll give a three
53:02
Speaker 1: and a half nipples. Two of them belong to Miss Norbury,
53:05
Speaker 1: one belongs to Tom Meadows, the one you can see
53:08
Speaker 1: poking through Jim scene, and then the last half belongs
53:14
Speaker 1: to an a gas Her because I love her. Yeah,
53:15
Speaker 1: I don't get to see her enough movies. So I
53:19
Speaker 1: think I gonna I'll go, I'll skew down a bit,
53:22
Speaker 1: and I'll give it three nipples because while they all
53:26
Speaker 1: sort of redeem themselves at the end, it's just a
53:28
Speaker 1: movie of like ninety minutes of You're a slut, You're
53:32
Speaker 1: a horror, I'm a horror we're all shitty and you're
53:34
Speaker 1: a bitch and I'm a bit and spitches and just
53:37
Speaker 1: like a lot of just women mistreating each other. And
53:40
Speaker 1: I know the point of the movies to be like,
53:42
Speaker 1: don't be like this, but I don't know. I think
53:46
Speaker 1: if this movie was remade or a similar movie was
53:48
Speaker 1: made today, I would hope that it handles a lot
53:51
Speaker 1: of the things that this movie does not handle well.
53:54
Speaker 1: I would hope that it handles those things better. So, hey,
53:56
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that movie. Maybe I'll write it.
53:58
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll use my master's a green screenwriting for good
54:02
Speaker 1: for once in I use it for life. You use
54:04
Speaker 1: it for good all the time. Thing every time we
54:07
Speaker 1: turn on the mic, and every time we open a
54:10
Speaker 1: MIC's hard. And so yeah, three nipples, um, Two of
54:17
Speaker 1: them belong to Aaron Samuel, who I looked up on
54:21
Speaker 1: Twitter and I was like, man, this guy is still cute,
54:23
Speaker 1: so good for him. He seemed he seemed like a lifer. Uh.
54:30
Speaker 1: And then the third nipple I'm gonna give to Damien
54:35
Speaker 1: because I love Damien. I like, oh, I will say
54:38
Speaker 1: that I liked that he and Jane's wear the same
54:41
Speaker 1: like purple tuxedo. I like that she's sort of subverb. Yeah,
54:45
Speaker 1: you know, the typical I'm a woman, I have to
54:47
Speaker 1: wear a dress. No, she's gonna wear a tuxedo. I
54:50
Speaker 1: also just laugh man, when Damian sings beautiful A great moment,
54:57
Speaker 1: he held the shoe back with them, and then it
55:01
Speaker 1: gets to get a shoot thrown at him, and then
55:03
Speaker 1: that he whales it right back at the guy. Well.
55:05
Speaker 1: The other thing I like about this movie that I
55:07
Speaker 1: noticed is that, um, the reason they moved from Africa
55:11
Speaker 1: to Evanston is that it's her mom who gets a
55:14
Speaker 1: tenure at Northwestern, not her dad. Her mom. I forgot
55:18
Speaker 1: that detail very quick. Easy and Beta Males. Yeah, yeah,
55:24
Speaker 1: Katie's dad was with that grandmon podcast called Talking Beta
55:28
Speaker 1: Males where toilways two women and there's a man sitting
55:30
Speaker 1: there but he doesn't talk, but or he's a lad
55:33
Speaker 1: but he can barely talk. Yeah right, and you're just like,
55:36
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55:39
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55:44
Speaker 1: Whenever we have a male guest, we only allowed them
55:46
Speaker 1: to speak whenever we removed the muzzle from their face.
55:50
Speaker 1: Very steampunky kind of muzzle. Yeah. No, Okay, Oh, just
55:54
Speaker 1: episode reminder steampunk. No, no, no steampunk. We don't tolerate
55:59
Speaker 1: steampunk here. Yeah, the final prejudice stands no step punk. Jenny,
56:04
Speaker 1: would you like to write the movie? Well, the thing
56:07
Speaker 1: is like, I really like, I don't think I can
56:10
Speaker 1: be objective in any way. I love this movie. And
56:12
Speaker 1: it's like, it's also like we didn't even talk about
56:15
Speaker 1: what kind of a cultural touchstone in Spain as far
56:17
Speaker 1: as like Mean Girls quotes like characteristic main factory and uh,
56:24
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say. I don't know that this is
56:27
Speaker 1: a great portrayal of women, but I think that this
56:30
Speaker 1: is a great portrayal of white, wealthy, suburban teenagers in
56:34
Speaker 1: the Bush era. This is a very faithful portrayal of
56:37
Speaker 1: that specific kind of woman. If we see so much
56:40
Speaker 1: of that, if we're just talking about that, then it's
56:44
Speaker 1: five stars or five nipples, were not like two nipples.
56:47
Speaker 1: And that's all I think this movie is. But yeah,
56:51
Speaker 1: it is not diverse. It is not particularly sensitive about
56:57
Speaker 1: women's issues. But it you know, we've over a decade
57:00
Speaker 1: of other movies that have been made because and in
57:03
Speaker 1: the wake of Mean Girls, and we have over a
57:04
Speaker 1: decade of feminist media that's been made kind of in
57:09
Speaker 1: the wake of Mean Girls. This was at the time
57:11
Speaker 1: a really important and groundbreaking movie because we did start,
57:15
Speaker 1: I feel like, having conversations about like the genuine, complicated
57:20
Speaker 1: feelings of teenage girls. That was like the context we
57:24
Speaker 1: were brought into the movie of like starting a discussion
57:27
Speaker 1: with teenagers and their like no matter, because there were
57:30
Speaker 1: a lot of teenage movies before that, but I think
57:32
Speaker 1: a lot of them were like dude trying to fuck
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Speaker 1: in high school, and like there just wasn't a lot
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Speaker 1: of movies about like girl on girl bullying. Un told
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Speaker 1: this movie like that did seem like Heathers was the
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Speaker 1: other one, But Heathers has a whole other set of
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Speaker 1: things going on. Heathers is very unrealistic, and I felt
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Speaker 1: like Mean Girls was kind of a movie that did
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Speaker 1: more to me. I feel like I feel like the
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Speaker 1: generation after us, we'll be able to see mean girls
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Speaker 1: clearly and have more weren't the way that I feel
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Speaker 1: able to separate myself from Heather's. Someone in generation after
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Speaker 1: me will be able to separate themselves from mean girls.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like too it's too embedded in. I
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Speaker 1: feel kind of that way about Clueless too, where it's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure if I could step back from it, I'd
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Speaker 1: find things to dislike. But as it is, I think
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Speaker 1: it's um right, a literally perfect film. Blue This is
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Speaker 1: literally perfect. Hey, listen to that episode of ours. Had
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Speaker 1: you guys not already done it? That thousands? Because I
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Speaker 1: can recite that movie and that's that's yeah. I know
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Speaker 1: what you're thinking is it's like an axiom, a commercial
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Speaker 1: or wet But I actually have a way normal life
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Speaker 1: for I mean, I get up and I pick on
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Speaker 1: my school clothes. Dad is a litigator that keep it rolling.
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Speaker 1: Even Lucy I made is terrified of him. He gets
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Speaker 1: paid five an hour dollars an hour to fight with people,
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Speaker 1: but he fights for me, with me for free because
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Speaker 1: I'm his daughter. That sounds rights right. Caitlin can do
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Speaker 1: that with Pirates of the Caribbean embarrassed to him. I
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Speaker 1: can do that with probably fifteen different movies, Back to
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Speaker 1: the Future being one of them, with the Robert Durst documentary. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's fucking amazing. People don't like you when you shave
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Speaker 1: your eyebrows, you look weird. End of episode. Well, we're
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Speaker 1: all friends now, and we're not mean girls to each other.
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Speaker 1: We're nice. You guys are. Maybe it's because we're all
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Speaker 1: in our twenties, all of us, not none of us
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Speaker 1: are about to be thirty one. It's just we're all.
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Speaker 1: Caitlin's triggering herself. You're going to be okay. No. I
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Speaker 1: actually am very proud to be almost thirty one because
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Speaker 1: as a woman of advancing years, I feel great about it.
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Speaker 1: You're a woman of advancing, You're you're a badass person
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Speaker 1: and you're great. Thank you need to call yourself advancing.
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Speaker 1: I mean they're advancing. You are. I mean you're advancing,
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Speaker 1: and we're all advancing. We're all advancing in our in
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Speaker 1: our ways. I'm fourteen years old and I feel great
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Speaker 1: about it. You're doing so well for fourteen, So excited
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Speaker 1: to before. Thank you so much for being here. Anything
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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter at Jenny Jaffee. Perfect. Well, thank you,