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Aurora Police Hope Cold Case Podcast Could Help Solve Murder of Chelsea Yasser · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine, imagine watching a brutal murder happen right in front
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of you on a screen. You see the victim, you
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see this violent struggle, you see the getaway car.
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Speaker 2: Right the whole crime is basically documentary exactly, it's on tape.
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Speaker 1: But now imagine the killer simply, you know, puts the
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car in drive, pulls out of the parking lot, and
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just remains completely unidentified for ten straight years.
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Speaker 3: It's just wild to think about.
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Speaker 1: It, really is so. Welcome to another custom tailored deep
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dive designed specifically for you. Today, we are looking at
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a stack of sources detailing a chilling, decade old cold
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case out of Aurora, Colorado.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and beyond just the crime itself, which is tragic,
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we are examining this unprecedented, highly controversial, and frankly fascinating
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method that police are using right now, like in twenty
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twenty six, to finally crack it.
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Speaker 1: The paradox at the heart of this source material is
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really what makes it so compelling, right like, both from
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a true crime perspective and just a purely investigative one.
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean, we're talking about an attack that
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was partially captured on commercial surveillance video. It wasn't hidden
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deep in the woods or locked away in some sandproof basement, right.
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Speaker 1: It happened in a totally public parking lot.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Yet the perpetrator has managed to evade capture for
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a full decade.
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Speaker 1: That agonizing gap, having the visual evidence of this tragedy
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but zero actionable answers. That is the core mystery we're
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tackling today.
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Speaker 2: And we really have to establish the timeline first to
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grasp the gravity of this situation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the crime itself takes place in May of
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twenty sixteen, but our sources are pulling us into the
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present day, so the summer of twenty twenty six, specifically
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June and July.
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Speaker 2: So that's a full decade of dead ends, you know,
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fading memories, and just an agonizing weight for the family involved.
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Speaker 1: Right, And before we really get into the mechanics of
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the investigation itself, we need to focus on the human
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being at the center of all this, which is so
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important it is. Her name was Chelsea Marie Asser. She
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was a twenty one year old woman, and she is
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the absolute reason this case is currently generating a massive
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media frenzy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because in twenty twenty six, the Aurora Police Department.
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They aren't just holding standard press conferences anymore.
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Speaker 1: No, they are not.
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Speaker 2: They've actually launched an in house, fully produced true crime
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podcast called The White Whale, The Chelsea y Asser Story, which.
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Speaker 1: Is just I mean, it represents this fundamental shift in
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how law enforcement operates in the modern era.
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Speaker 3: It really does.
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Speaker 2: When you analyze the source material, you see this goes
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far beyond a localized crime story. It's basically a case
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study on the evolution of criminal investigations.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the whole true crime cultural phenomenon that has
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just completely taken over our media diets exactly.
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Speaker 2: And it highlights the desperate search for justice when every
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single traditional forensic method just fails completely.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because before we can understand the
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radical outside the box steps the police are taking today,
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we have to understand who they're doing this for.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: We have to strip away the sensational headlines, Yeah, strip.
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Speaker 1: Away the podcast branding, and just look at the human
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being who's life was cut short. So who is Chelsea Yesser.
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Speaker 2: Well, to understand Chelsea, you kind of have to look
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at the duality of her experiences. She was born and
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raised in Arizona, Okay, Arizona. Yeah, and the accounts from
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her family and friends, they painted picture of a really vibrant,
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highly athletic young woman.
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Speaker 1: The sources mentioned she was a cheerleader, right.
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Speaker 2: She was a cheerleader and a softball player, and those
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activities require immense discipline, teamwork, and just a certain kind
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of spirited energy.
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Speaker 1: Right, it's a lot of dedication.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she really embodied that specific forward momentum of a
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young woman who had big plans.
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Speaker 1: The sources actually mentioned she had dreams of potentially joining
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professional cheer squads one day.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that really paints a picture of someone who
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wasn't just drifting. I mean she had ambitions, physical talents,
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and in a really strong sense of community back in
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her home state.
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Speaker 2: And her parents, Jack and debris y Asser, they are
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very central to this narrative.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they come up a lot in the material they do.
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Speaker 2: They remember her as someone with a genuinely good heart,
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and they are completely transparent about the fact that she
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faced some really significant challenges as she transitioned into adulthood. Right,
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but they firmly maintained that she deserved a second chance
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to navigate those hurdles, just like anyone.
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Speaker 1: Else would, absolutely, but those challenges they did escalate in
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the years leading up to twenty sixteen, they did.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The sources detail some very difficult turns in her life.
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She became involved in the escort business, right and specifically
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she was advertising her services on backpage dot com.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: For context, for anyone listening who might not remember, Backpage
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was this massive online classified site.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was huge.
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Speaker 2: It was later completely seized and dismantled by the FBI
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because it was just notoriously used to facilitate these exact
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types of activities.
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Speaker 1: So operationally engaging in that line of work through platforms
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like Backpage, it meant she was relying incredibly heavily on anonymity.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, the police reports note that she utilized a burner
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phone to communicate with clients, and.
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Speaker 1: That one detail, that burner phone, it completely dictates the
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future of the entire investigation.
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Speaker 3: It really does.
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Speaker 2: It creates an immediate, almost impenetrable wall for investigators.
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Speaker 1: Because there's no paper trail exactly.
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Speaker 2: A burner phone, just by its very design, it severs
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the connection between a person's legal identity and their digital communications.
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You just go to a store, right, Yeah, you buy
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a prepaid phone with cash. Yeah, there's no subscriber record,
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there is no billing address, there is no credit card
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attached to the account whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: Nothing.
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Speaker 3: Nothing.
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Speaker 2: So in late April of twenty sixteen, she makes this
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really significant geographic move. She travels from Arizona up to Colorado.
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Speaker 1: Right. The sources say she was following her boyfriend who
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was in the process of closing down a satellite TV
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installation business in Colorado Springs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she had only been in the state of
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Colorado for roughly two to three weeks when this tragedy occurred.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that is just an incredibly short window of time.
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Speaker 2: It is she was essentially a newcomer, meaning her social
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safetyknit in Colorado was practically non existent. She didn't know anyone, right,
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she was isolated from her family, operating in a brandy
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city and just relying on these anonymous digital networks to
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make a living.
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Speaker 1: That isolation brings up a really crucial point about how
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society and historically even investigators view victims who are involved
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in high risk lifestyle.
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Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, it's a major issue.
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Speaker 1: There is this public statement from Aurora detective Jason McDonald
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that just stands out so prominently in the sources, he
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explicitly states the last couple of weeks of one's life
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does not define who they are.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how that statement from detective McDonald
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actively combats the cognitive biases that so often derail or
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deprioritize these exact types of investigations because of the stigma.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: Historically, when a victim is involved in sex work, there
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has been this societal tendency to just categorize them, to
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put them in a box. It somehow lessens the urgency
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of the tragedy.
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Speaker 1: Or implies some dangerous level of fault, like they brought
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it on themselves exactly.
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Speaker 2: But the detective is demanding that the public view Chelsea
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in her totality. She was a daughter, she was a friend,
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an athlete.
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Speaker 1: It's like judging a person's entire life by only reading
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the last ripped page of a novel.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, really good way to put You.
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Speaker 1: Look at that one torn page and you claim you
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understand the whole book, the entire character arc, everything they
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ever went through. It is an inherently flawed and just
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reductive way to look at a human being.
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Speaker 2: It is entirely reductionist. But and we do have to
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confront this. We also have to confront the practical reality
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of what that last ripped page contained, right, The day
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to day reality of her life in those final weeks
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is literally what investigators.
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Speaker 3: Are forced to work with.
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Speaker 1: But wait, it's easy for us to sit here, you know,
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in a studio and say her lifestyle doesn't define her morally.
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Of course it doesn't. But practically speaking for the detectives
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on the ground, doesn't that specific lifestyle using burner phones,
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advertising on transient websites, meeting anonymous strangers in parking lots,
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doesn't that just create the absolute perfect storm for a
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cold case.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the tragic irony embedded in this entire case.
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The very mechanisms that are meant to protect privacy and
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provide a layer of safety and sex work are the
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exact same mechanisms that get weaponized by predators.
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Speaker 1: Because anonymity is a two way street.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, the burner phone protects the escort from having their
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personal identity exposed to a potentially dangerous client, right, but
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it simultaneously protects the client from being traced by law
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enforcement if they decide to commit a violent act.
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Speaker 1: So the police just hit a brick wall completely.
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Speaker 2: When you use a burner phone on a prepaid network,
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law enforcement can't just serve a subpoena two of Verizon
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or AT and T and get a neat little list
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of registered names and addresses. It is an investigative black hole.
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Speaker 1: So when the police step into investigate, they aren't just
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looking for a needle in a haystack. They are looking
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for a needle in a haystack where all the hay
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has been in intentionally designed to look exactly like needles.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's exactly it, which sets the stage for just
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a complete forensic nightmare. Her vulnerability is a newcomer to Colorado,
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combined with her reliance on this digital anonymity, it led
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directly to her scheduled date on the evening of.
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Speaker 1: May fifteen, a night where that digital shield completely failed.
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Speaker 2: Yes, leaving only a stark physical and brutal reality.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's break down the timeline of that night, May fifteen,
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twenty sixteen. It's a Sunday evening, right. The sources provider
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really chilling just minute by minute account of what happened.
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Beasts together from various surveillance cameras and all the initial
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police work.
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Speaker 2: The timeline begins at a Burger King located at the
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intersection of Mississippi and Abilene in Aurora.
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Speaker 1: Chelsea is seen there basically waiting, and shortly after a
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vehicle pulls up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's described by investigators as a maroon or
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dark red mini van.
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Speaker 1: Specifically, they believe it's a nineteen ninety five to nineteen
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ninety eight Ford Windstar.
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Speaker 2: Correct, So she gets into the passenger seat of this van.
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Speaker 1: The timeline then enters this highly critical and incredibly mysterious
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thirty minute window.
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Speaker 2: Right because less than half an hour later, that exact
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same dark red minivan pulls into the parking lot of
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a Burlington coat factory located just down the street at
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twelve hundred South Abilene Street.
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Speaker 1: Let's pause and just think about that map for a second. Yeah, geographically,
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if you are looking at the geography, the drive from
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that Burger King to that Burlington coat factory is practically negligible.
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It's quite literally just down the street.
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Speaker 2: It should take almost no time, exactly.
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Speaker 1: So if you are a detective looking at a thirty
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minute gap for a drive that should take two minutes,
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what does that tell you?
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Speaker 3: It raises so many questions?
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Speaker 1: What happened in that vehicle during that half hour? Did
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they drive somewhere else first? Where they parked in another
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dark corner somewhere? That gap is just haunting.
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Speaker 2: It heavily suggests as significant sequence of events occurred before
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they ever even arrived at the Burlington lot.
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Speaker 1: But what happens once they do arrive is what makes
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this case so deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 2: The security camera is covering that specific parking lot, capture the.
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Speaker 1: Vehicle, They capture the passenger side, right, they.
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Speaker 2: Do, Yeah, And they capture a very violent struggle ensuing
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inside the van.
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Speaker 1: The coroner's report details just the brutality of it. She
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suffered roughly eleven stab wounds, eleven including a fatal strike
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to the neck.
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Speaker 2: But the sources also really emphasize a crucial detail about
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Chelsea's actions in those moments. She fought back with immense ferocity.
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Speaker 1: She really did. She fought hard enough that she actually
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managed to open the passenger door and escape the van. Yeah,
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she gets out, takes a few agonizing steps away from
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the vehicle, and then collapses onto the pavement, and the
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van simply speeds away into the night.
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Speaker 2: A passerby discovers her at nine five nine pm and
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immediately calls the police for a welfare.
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Speaker 1: Check, and officers respond. She's rushed to a local hospital,
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but the injuries are just too severe.
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Speaker 2: Right, she is pronounced dead and the manner of day
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is officially ruled a homicide by multiple stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: We need to contextualize the speed of this violence, though.
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The investigators analyzing that surveillance footage note that the entire
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visible event, the struggle, the stabbing, her escape, it lasted
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only about thirty seconds.
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Speaker 2: Thirty seconds of kinetic, just explosive violence. Yeah, the sheer
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brutality compressed into such a small window of time is staggering.
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But what elevates this case from a standard homicide investigation
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into a decade long obsession is the psychological horror of
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the visual.
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Speaker 1: Evidence, which is just so rare it is.
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Speaker 2: Officials in the sort of material note it's not often
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that you have an unsolved case where you can watch
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the murder happen.
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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though, because if you
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are listening to this, your brain is probably snagging on
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the exact same logical hurdle minded the camera. Yes, if
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you have a camera pointed at a murder, how does
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the killer just drive away and disappear for ten years.
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What exactly is the camera missing?
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Speaker 2: This brings us to the immense frustration of modern surveillance.
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We have been so conditioned by Hollywood, and honestly by
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the high definition cameras in our own smartphones, to believe
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that video is this infallible, all seeing eye.
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Speaker 1: Like it just zooms in perfectly on a license plate.
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Speaker 2: Exactly enhance enhance. But we have to mentally transport ourselves
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back to twenty sixteen, and specifically to the reality of
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commercial parking lot security infrastructure.
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Speaker 1: We're not talking about a four K camera with facial
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recognition here.
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Speaker 2: Not even close. Commercial surveillance systems, especially a decade ago,
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were installed primarily for broad liability purposes. They are there
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to monitor slip and fall accidents or broad vehicle theft,
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maybe employee misconduct. They were never engineered for high resolution,
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low light forensic facial identification.
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Speaker 1: So I imagine it's kind of like having a corrupted
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hard drive house. Well, the file exists, right, the data
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footprint is taking up space on the computer, but the
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encryption is just too degraded to actually open the file
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and the text the video file exists, but the actionable
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data within it is just corrupt.
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Speaker 2: That is an excellent way to visualize it. The camera
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captures the kinetic action the what, but it completely misses
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the identifying data.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the who?
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Speaker 1: Because of the hardware.
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Speaker 2: Yes, consider the hardware limitations. You are dealing with incredibly
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low frame rates. A camera might only capture one or
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two frames per second just to save storage space on
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the server.
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Speaker 1: Whow one or two frames?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so any fast movement, like a violent struggle, it
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just becomes an indistinguishable blur.
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Speaker 1: Then you factor in the environmental conditions.
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Speaker 2: Oh, the environmental conditions are the killer's best friend. In
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this scenario, you have harsh, uneven parking lot lighting that
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creates these deep, impenetrable shadows juxtaposed with blown out highlights
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from the street lamps.
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Speaker 1: And the angles too exactly.
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Speaker 2: These cameras are mounted high up on the building, looking
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down at a steep angle. The roof of the minivan
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completely obscures the interior shield creates a reflective glare.
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Speaker 1: And what about the license plate? That's what everyone always asks.
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Speaker 2: In low resolution night vision, a reflective license play hit
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by a streetlight just looks like a glowing white rectangle.
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Speaker 3: You can't read a single number, so.
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Speaker 1: The detectives are basically watching a shadow play. They know
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exactly what the shadows are doing, but they have absolutely
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no idea who is casting them. That agonizing gap between
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seeing the crime happen with your own eyes on a
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monitor and having zero idea who committed it. That is
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what drove the Aurora detectives into this decade long hunt, which.
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Speaker 2: Leads right into the immediate aftermath and the initial investigation.
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The Aurora police recognized the value of the visual evidence,
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even if it was.
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Speaker 1: Degraded, so they put it out there.
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Speaker 3: They did.
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Speaker 2: They released the surveillance video and the still photos of
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the van to the public right away, hoping to jog
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someone's memory.
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Speaker 1: And there was significant media attention at the time, but.
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Speaker 2: The response from the public was a shocking lack of actionable.
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Speaker 1: Tips because the videos simply didn't offer the public a
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recognizable face or a clear license plate to identify. It
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was just a generic dark.
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Speaker 2: Van in the dark, and the traditional investigative roots just
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crumbled one by one. I mean, they looked at the
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boyfriend naturally, as his standard procedure, but he was quickly
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indefinitively cleared records showed he had returned to Arizona days
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before the murder even occurred, so he was out and
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they tried to track the Burner phone, but as we discussed,
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the prepaid network offered zero subscriber data. It was a
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digital dead end.
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Speaker 1: So force into a corner. The investigators just hyper focused
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on the only physical, identifiable clue they had left, the
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vehicle itself, that.
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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety five to nineteen ninety eight maroon or dark
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red Ford Windstar.
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Speaker 1: That van became everything to them. The sources explicitly state
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that internally within the Aurora Police Department, this case earned
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a moniker. They started calling it the White Whale.
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Speaker 2: The allusion to Moby Dick is incredibly telling. It represents
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this elusive, all consuming obsession. It is the case that
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the cold case unit simply refuses to let go of
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no matter how many years pass or how cold the
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trail actually gets.
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Speaker 1: And while the police are dealing with this intense professional frustration,
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the sources detail the agonizing, just visceral reality for Chelsea's parents.
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Yeah Jack, her father, described physically collapsing when he received
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the news of her death. Debra, her mother, spoke of
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screaming and falling physically ill.
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Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: For ten years they have been trapped in this raw,
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traumatizing cycle of grief with absolutely no resolution.
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Speaker 2: And to understand the weight of this case, we really
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have to contextualize it within the broader landscape of cold
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cases in American law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Let's do that.
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Speaker 2: Across the United States, clearance rates for murders have been
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steadily declining over the last few decades.
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Speaker 1: Let's explore that a bit, because you know, with all
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the advancements in DNA, digital forensics, and surveillance, why on
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earth are clearance rates dropping.
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Speaker 2: It's a confluence of systemic issues. Police resources and budgets
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are incredibly strained. Okay, you also have a document to
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rise in witness reluctance. People are just less willing to
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testify or involve themselves in investigations nowadays.
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Speaker 1: Right the no snitching culture or just fear of retaliation exactly.
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Speaker 2: You also have massive multi year backlogs in DNA processing
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at state laboratories.
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Speaker 1: So even if you have DNA, you might wait years
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to test it.
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Speaker 2: Right, And ironically, as investigative technology evolves, so do the
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countermeasures used by criminals, like their burner phones, encrypted messaging
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apps and VPNs.
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Speaker 1: So cold case units are fighting a massive, uphill battle
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against time and technology.
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Speaker 2: They are, and when a case like Chelsea's becomes a
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white whale, it takes a profound psychological toll on the investigators.
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I can imagine it becomes this heavy, complex blend of
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professional frustration and a deeply personal, almost moral commitment to
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the victim.
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Speaker 3: And their family.
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Speaker 1: I totally understand the emotional drive I do, But looking
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at it objectively, at what point does an obsession with
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a white whale become detrimental to a police department.
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Speaker 4: That's a fair question, because does holding onto a single
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unsolvable case this tightly for a decade drain resources, budget
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and detective hours away from other newer cases that actually
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have workable leave.
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Speaker 2: That is the brutal, unspoken reality of police work. Cold
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case units are constantly performing emotional and logistical triage criash.
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They have to balance their moral commitments to victims' families
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with the cold hard mathematics of budget, staffing, and time.
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Speaker 1: Every hour a detective spend staring at a ten year
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old greeny video of a Ford Windstar is an hour
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not spent tracking a fresh lead on a homicide that
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happened yesterday exactly.
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Speaker 2: It is a constant grinding tension. Yeah, and that specific tension,
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the friction between having an empty case file, zero extra
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budget for advanced forensics, and the unbearable weight of a
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ten year anniversary looming. That is the exact catalyst for
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what the Aurora Police Department decided.
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Speaker 3: To do next.
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Speaker 1: Because they knew so they couldn't solve this with traditional
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shoe leather police.
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Speaker 2: Work, right, they were entirely out of options, so they
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decided to stop playing by the traditional rules of law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: They decided to step directly into the entertainment space, which
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brings us to the summer of twenty twenty six. Specifically,
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June of twenty twenty six, the Aurora Police Department officially
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launches The White Whale The Chelsea Yasser Story.
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Speaker 2: A true crime podcast produced entirely in house by a
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police department.
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Speaker 1: That is the detail that is so hard for me
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to wrap my head around. The sources highlight that this
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was done using existing staff time and zero extra budget.
20:34
They didn't contract a fancy Hollywood production company or a
20:37
podcast network. The police officers and the public information staff
20:41
themselves became the content creators, the writers, and the audio producers.
20:45
Speaker 2: And they didn't just release dry press statements in an
20:47
audio format either.
20:48
Speaker 1: No, not at all.
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Speaker 2: They fully adopted the stylistic choices, the pacing, and the
20:52
narrative structures of the true crime entertainment genre.
20:55
Speaker 1: So the first episode drops on June twenty nine, twenty
20:58
twenty six. It's titled The Dark Red Van, and they
21:02
are using traumatic narration. They are weaving in highly emotional
21:06
interviews with the family and the original detectives. They are
21:09
doing atmospheric audio evidence walkthroughs.
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Speaker 3: It's highly produced.
21:13
Speaker 1: They are building a serialized narrative arc designed specifically to
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hook a listener.
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Speaker 2: The public information officer for the APD, Joe Moylen, is
21:23
very transparent in the sources about the strategy behind this.
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Speaker 1: What's the goal.
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Speaker 2: Well, department recognizes that true crime is a massive, multi
21:31
million dollar global industry right with an incredibly dedicated, highly
21:36
engaged audience. All map millions of people consume these podcasts,
21:39
books and documentaries voraciously every single day.
21:43
Speaker 1: So they want to tap into that specific audience pool.
21:45
Speaker 2: They're attempting to crowdsource justice on a massive scale. The
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strategic hope is that by broadcasting this story to tens
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of thousands or potentially hundreds of thousands of daily commuters
21:58
and true crime fans, we might find the one single
22:01
person who recalls a tiny, seemingly insignificant detail, like someone.
22:07
Speaker 1: Who remembers their neighbors suddenly painting or getting rid of
22:09
a nineteen ninety eight maroon Ford Windstar in late May
22:13
of twenty sixteen. Yes, or someone who remembers a coworker
22:16
showing up with unexplained scratches.
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Speaker 2: Exactly the kind of peripheral details that traditional policing misses
22:22
but community crown sourcing can uncover.
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for the future. I
22:26
mean we are highly accustomed to investigative journalists doing this, right,
22:30
We're used to hobbyists, NPR reporters or independent media companies
22:34
building these serialized audio dramas to shed light on forgotten cases,
22:38
but sworn police officers it is a shift. Detectives writing
22:41
dramatic narration and editing sound bites. Are they risking turning
22:46
a real, visceral, bloody tragedy into a serialized audio drama
22:51
just to generate clicks and downloads.
22:53
Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of modern
22:56
policing desperation really reads innovation. You mentioned journalists producing these shows.
23:01
Think about the cultural impact of podcasts like Serial or
23:05
Crime Junket huge impacts. Those platforms have definitively proven that
23:10
crowdsourcing information from a captivated, emotionally invested audience can actually
23:15
crack coal cases.
23:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've uncovered new forensic evidence or even force legal
23:19
systems to reevaluate convictions.
23:21
Speaker 2: The rise of the armchair detective force is very real.
23:25
It is, and other law enforcement agencies have experimented with
23:28
this media shift before. The sources note that the NYPD
23:31
and the Newport Beach Police Department have waded into these
23:34
podcasting waters previously.
23:36
Speaker 1: So Aurora isn't the absolute first.
23:38
Speaker 2: No, the Aurora Police Department is looking at those cultural
23:41
successes and actively trying to weaponize the psychology of the
23:44
true crime audience for this specific case.
23:47
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that psychology. Why does a podcast
23:50
work better than a press conference?
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Speaker 2: Because of why people listen to true crime in the
23:55
first place. It's a potent psychological mix of deep empathy
23:58
for the victims, somewhat more big curiosity about the darker
24:02
sides of human nature, and a very strong innate human
24:05
desire for resolution and justice.
24:08
Speaker 1: A standard police press conference just provides.
24:10
Speaker 2: Dry facts exactly. A produced podcast packages the case file
24:15
into a narrative format specifically designed to trigger those psychological responses.
24:20
Speaker 1: It creates an emotional bond between the listener and the victim,
24:23
and they.
24:23
Speaker 2: Are hoping that bond results in a phone call to
24:25
the tip line.
24:27
Speaker 1: I understand the utility of it, I really do, but
24:29
the discomfort remains. It just feels like we are crossing
24:33
a massive institutional line here.
24:35
Speaker 2: It absolutely blurs the boundaries of institutional roles right When
24:38
an official, taxpayer funded police investigation morphs into consumable audio entertainment,
24:43
it opens up a massive ethical debate, and the source
24:47
material explicitly notes that this podcast has drawn significant attention
24:51
and ethical criticism from media watchdogs and the public.
24:55
Speaker 1: Let's get into the ethics of crowdsource justice then, Because
24:58
it is a massive theme in these sources, the critics
25:01
are asking very pointed structural questions. Should law enforcement be
25:06
in the business of producing entertainment style media content.
25:10
Speaker 2: One of the primary most vocal concerns is the issue
25:14
of narrative bias, which makes sense when an independent journalist
25:17
produces a piece of investigative media. Ideally, they operate as
25:21
an objective third party, right holding the justice system accountable
25:25
and looking for flaws in the investigation. When the police
25:28
themselves produce the narrative, they hold total editorial control.
25:31
Speaker 1: They are the directors.
25:32
Speaker 2: Yes, they decide exactly what evidence is shared, how the
25:36
victim is portrayed, and crucially, how their own potential investigative
25:39
missteps or institutional failures might be minimized, justified, or just
25:44
completely edited out of the story.
25:46
Speaker 1: It blends public relations with active policing.
25:48
Speaker 3: It really does, and the.
25:50
Speaker 1: Sources are careful to mention that we have to contextualize
25:53
this media push within the APD's broader history. The text
25:57
notes they have faced past high profile incidents and significant
26:01
public scrutiny. Right now, to be clear to you listening,
26:04
our goal on this show isn't to take a pro
26:07
or anti police stance. We are strictly examining the facts
26:10
as presented in our sources, but the undeniable fact that
26:13
the scrutiny exists. It adds a thick layer of complexity
26:17
to how the public receives and trusts a police produced
26:21
media product.
26:22
Speaker 2: It colors the lens through which critics view the entire operation,
26:26
including the allocation of resources.
26:28
Speaker 1: Even if the department claims the podcast was produced with
26:31
zero extra budget staff time is still funded by taxpayer
26:34
dollars exactly.
26:35
Speaker 2: Critics are asking if those hundreds of hours spent writing scripts,
26:39
recording narration, and editing audio tracks could be better spent
26:42
on traditional ground level legwork.
26:44
Speaker 1: Or processing existing evidence backlogs.
26:46
Speaker 3: Right.
26:47
Speaker 1: But then there is the other side of the ethical coin,
26:49
which revolves heavily around victim privacy.
26:51
Speaker 3: This is a really tough one.
26:52
Speaker 1: This is a case intimately involving sex work, which inherently
26:57
carries a lot of sensitive, deeply private detail about a
27:00
person's life. The podcast series explicitly aims to reveal more
27:05
details about Chelsea and the investigation than have ever been
27:08
shared publicly before. Does exposing her private life broadcasting it
27:13
on Spotify or Apple podcasts for public consumption cross a
27:16
moral line, even if the ultimate goal is achieving justice.
27:20
Speaker 2: This raises an important question about consent agency and the
27:24
ownership of a victim's story.
27:26
Speaker 3: After they are gone.
27:27
Speaker 1: It really does.
27:28
Speaker 2: However, in this specific instance, the Aurora Police Department has
27:32
something that effectively shields them from a large portion of
27:35
that specific criticism, which is they have the full backing, blessing,
27:39
and active participation of Chelsea's parents.
27:41
Speaker 1: Jack and a Debriasker are actually participating in the recording
27:44
of the podcast.
27:45
Speaker 2: Yes, they are, and their participation underscores their sheer, unyielding determination.
27:50
Speaker 1: They want answers they do.
27:51
Speaker 2: They believe Chelsea's story deserves to be heard in its entirety,
27:55
without sanitization. They are adamant that her lifestyle choices should
28:00
not deny her the right to justice right, and they're
28:02
willing to share their own emments pain publicly if it
28:05
means finally finding the person who killed her.
28:08
Speaker 1: I try to put myself in the parents shoes, and
28:10
it just seems like an impossible, agonizing dilemma.
28:13
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine.
28:14
Speaker 1: You want justice for your child more than anything in
28:17
the world, but to get it, you have to agree
28:19
to let the police broadcast the most traumatic, private details
28:23
of your daughter's murder. Yeah, you have to let them
28:25
package her final moments as content for commuters to listen
28:29
to on their morning drive. That is a devastating choice
28:32
for any family to have to make.
28:34
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate sacrifice of privacy. In exchange for
28:36
the hope of resolution. But beyond this single case, we
28:40
also have to look at the broader precedent this strategy
28:43
sets for the future of the justice system. What do
28:46
you mean, Well, if this podcast succeeds, if episode three
28:48
or four drops and someone calls in the exact tip
28:52
that breaks the case wide open, will it establish a
28:55
new normal?
28:56
Speaker 1: Oh? I see?
28:57
Speaker 2: Will we see a future where police departments across the
29:00
country routinely monetize or dramatize trauma for investigative gain simply
29:07
because it has proven to be an effective tool.
29:09
Speaker 1: Does the end justify the means when the means involve
29:13
turning tragedy into a podcast.
29:15
Speaker 2: That is the core philosophical question at the heart of
29:18
the white Whale strategy. But while media critics and ethicists
29:22
debate the role of police podcasts in society, the reality
29:26
on the ground in Aurora, Colorado remains starkly unchanged.
29:29
Speaker 1: A killer is still free, exactly.
29:31
Speaker 2: And right now, this highly controversial podcast is the only
29:35
active trap set to catch them.
29:36
Speaker 1: Which brings us back to the cold, hard facts of
29:38
the case and a reminder of why we are exploring
29:41
the stack of sources today. Yeah, as we wrap up
29:43
this deep dive, let's run through the final crucial knownes
29:46
that the Aurora Police Department is begging the public to
29:48
pay attention to.
29:50
Speaker 2: The single most critical piece of physical evidence remains the
29:52
suspect vehicle. They are looking for, a dark red or
29:55
maroon minivan.
29:56
Speaker 1: And specifically auto experts believe it is in nineteen ninety
29:59
five to nineteen ninety eight Ford Windstar.
30:02
Speaker 2: Yes, if anyone listening to this, or anyone who listens
30:05
to the APDs podcast owned saw or knows someone who
30:09
drove that specific vehicle in the Aurora or Colorado Springs
30:13
area around May of twenty sixteen, that is the thread
30:17
the police desperately need to pull.
30:19
Speaker 1: Secondly, we know the violent nature of the attack itself.
30:21
It was incredibly fast and involved multiple stab wounds.
30:24
Speaker 2: And it carried a very personal style brutality to it.
30:27
Despite the brevity of the.
30:28
Speaker 1: Encounter, and the motive remains a complete mystery, total mystery.
30:32
It could have been related to an escort meetup gone
30:34
horribly wrong, it could have been a crime of opportunity
30:36
and entirely random, or it could have been specifically targeted.
30:40
Speaker 2: But notably, the sources state there was no apparent robbery involved.
30:44
Speaker 1: Which leads almost all investigative avenues open, and that is
30:47
exactly why the net being cast by the podcast is
30:50
so incredibly wide. The APD is urging anyone with information,
30:54
even a memory that seems completely minor or insignificant in isolation,
30:58
to reach out right.
30:59
Speaker 2: You can con the Aurora Police Department directly, or you
31:02
can call Metro Denver crime Stoppers anonymously at seven two
31:06
zero nine to one three stop.
31:09
Speaker 1: And they are also taking tips directly through the podcast
31:11
platforms themselves.
31:13
Speaker 2: Which is just another fascinating integration of modern tech and traditional.
31:17
Speaker 1: Policing, it really is. But behind all the philosophical discussions
31:21
of police produced media, true crime ethics, surveillance technology, and
31:25
burner phones, we really have to ground ourselves in the
31:28
human element here. Absolutely, Chelsea Yasser was a daughter, she
31:32
was a friend, she was an athlete, She was twenty
31:35
one years old, and her story was left violently unfinished
31:38
in that parking lot.
31:40
Speaker 2: The podcast, despite the controversy surrounding its production, is ultimately
31:44
a call to remember her as a full human being,
31:46
not just another file on a cold case cabinet.
31:49
Speaker 1: And as we close out today's deep dive, I want
31:51
to leave you the listener with a final thought to
31:53
chew on something that builds on the incredible tension we've
31:56
explored today between evolving technology and the pursuit of justice. Yeah,
32:02
we spent time talking about how Chelsea's Burner phone records
32:05
were completely unavailable back in twenty sixteen. It was a
32:08
digital dead end that actively helped this case go cold.
32:11
The communication technology designed to protect her anonymity ultimately protected
32:15
her killer. But now look at where we are a
32:18
decade later. We are looking at police departments in twenty
32:21
twenty six using digital broadcasting podcasts to crowdsource their investigations
32:26
to the masses.
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Speaker 3: It's a huge shift.
32:28
Speaker 1: So we have to wonder are we moving toward a
32:30
future where the traditional shoe leather detective is becoming obsolete.
32:35
If a violent crime can only be solved because thousands
32:38
of true crime podcast listeners decide to care about it,
32:41
does that mean justice is no longer a guaranteed right
32:44
in our society, but just a popularity contest based on
32:47
how compelling your tragedy sounds in an audio format. Wow,
32:51
something for you to think about. Thanks for joining us
32:53
on this deep dive and as always, keep questioning the
32:55
information around you,