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#2: Interview With Collectors MD | Hobby Talk · Collectors MD Features

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Thanks for watching! All right. So for the first
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time ever, Ricky and I are going to be having
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a guest here on Hobby Talk. And I'm very, very
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excited. Now, I am making this little intro before
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our interview because I just want to make sure
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that I cover a little bit of good information
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about what to expect ahead. Because when it comes
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time for the interview, I want it to be more
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conversational than kind of an interrogation
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of just Q &As. So who we are going to be interviewing
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is somebody that we already kind of discussed
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just fairly recently here on Hobby Talk. and
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that is collectors md and that is somebody who
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is taking the extra step in the hobby and looking
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out for other people within this space because
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so many people myself included think that this
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hobby has turned into a means of gambling and
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so many people have an addiction to gambling
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believe it or not whether that's sports gambling
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whether that's going to the casino gambling whether
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that's scratch tickets gambling lottery tickets
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whether it's sports cards pokemon cards for that
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matter right so this person has developed a platform
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to kind of be that help for people in this hobby
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for the people that need help with their breaking
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gambling issues. And I'm really, really excited
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to kind of peel back the curtain and see what
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this person has to offer this hobby, how they
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came about, how they got into it and what their
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aim goal and what they see themselves doing in
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this hobby down the road. I have my background
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in clinical mental health counseling. That's
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what I was doing before I opened Murph's card
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town. So I'm very, very intrigued by this topic
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on hand. So I think there's going to be a fantastic
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conversation ahead of us. And both Ricky and
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I are very, very excited. So without further
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ado, let's transition. to our interview with
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Collectors MD. All right. We have our, Ricky,
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our first ever guest here. Yeah. And we are very,
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very excited to introduce Collectors MD. However,
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before we dive into anything, before Ricky and
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I kind of give our thoughts, opinions, and ask
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away our questions, again, I mentioned this in
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the intro, which I made separately. I want this
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to be more conversational than kind of like an
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interrogation of just pounding you with questions
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and you just giving us answers. But first, before
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we get into anything, please introduce yourself.
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Who are you? What are you doing? And how did
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you kind of get into this whole space? yeah well
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first of all thanks for having me guys uh really
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appreciate it um Ricky had reached out to me
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about uh you know collectors mb and how he felt
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like it was uh something that the hobby you know
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was missing and introduced me to uh to Murph
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so um you know checked out a few of the episodes
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and just really excited and glad to be here so
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wanted to thank you guys first before diving
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in you're so very welcome And I apologize to
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the audience as well. As I told you guys, I'm
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a little bit sick. So, you know, if my voice
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is a little bit hard to hear, understand, forgive
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me. With that, my name is Alyx. I started Collectors MD
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just over three weeks ago, which is pretty crazy
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to say, because it's been an absolute whirlwind
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to this point. Just an overflow. of of dms and
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people reaching out just expressing their support
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and admiration so i am super grateful uh for
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all of the people who have been advocating for
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this movement and um you know i'm just really
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excited for the opportunity to continue to spread
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that uh message and awareness around uh collectors
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md and why it is so incredibly important for
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the hobby and for other hobbies that involve
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collecting. With that, I am based in New Jersey.
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I have been in the hobby for about five, six
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years. I've been collecting my whole life, whether
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that be memorabilia growing up, obviously. um
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Pokemon and the Chicago Bulls era with Upper
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Deck and Fleer Topps collecting basketball cards
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things like that i grew up in the 90s so um you
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know i had the opportunity to open packs with
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my dad and you know have a lot of nostalgic memories
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tied to that And so fast forward to post-graduation,
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post-college graduation, I started to get heavy
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into collecting sneakers. And so for the better
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part of my 20s, I was, it's ironic that one of
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the posts here says curate, don't accumulate.
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And then as you can see on the left, you see
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all the sneakers. Yeah, so I collected sneakers
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and it got to a point where it was just like.
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I mean, you see the few I have left behind me,
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but it was overwhelming, the amount of sneakers
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that I had. And it happened so quickly. I didn't
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even realize that I was turning into, you know,
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an obsessive hoarder as my girlfriend at the
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time, now my wife, would call me. And so, you
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know, it got a little bit out of hand and I had
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no other choice but to start downsizing. You
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know, the pandemic came and a buddy of mine reintroduced
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me to the sports card hobby. And so I found a
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really, you know, I think healthy mix, you know,
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at the time that made a lot more sense for me
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just in terms of scratching that itch as a collector.
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Because, you know, obviously sports cards take
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up a lot less space. You know, just as lucrative
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and exciting and actually more exciting because
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you don't know what you're actually buying into
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when you're buying a box of cards as opposed
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to a pair of sneakers. And so I kind of pivoted
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my attention to the sports card hobby. And I
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was involved in breaking and, you know, doing
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the whole. breaking thing with a brand called
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Bogo Breaks and a few of my buddies that I had
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grown up with. I had spoken about this with some
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of the guys on these other podcasts within the
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space. And, you know, it got to the point where,
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you know, I had to make a decision. Do I want
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to pursue this full time or, you know, do I want
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to focus on my career and just like mess around
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and do this on the side? And so. My buddies decided
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to just, you know, refocus their attention on
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their careers. And, you know, I continued with
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it for a little bit, but it was kind of, you
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know, impossible to do by myself or, you know,
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with one other person with how competitive the
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landscape has become. And so, you know, we stopped
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and, you know, I still wanted to be involved.
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And so I started to just join more and more breaks.
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buy more and more personal boxes and it got to
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the point where it just started to spiral yeah
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it got a little bit out of hand similar to how
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the sneaker collecting was to the point where
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like you know those massive crate containers
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uh you know with like the 10 slots like the biggest
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ones you could buy or back into the ceiling and
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um that paired with you know very reckless gambling
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became a vicious cycle where I was joining breaks
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and then playing live blackjack to try to win
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back my losses and then going back to the breaks.
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And it was just becoming so out of control. And
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so, you know, it's something that I've struggled
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with for the better part of the last five years
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or so. And, you know, for some time I've toyed
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with this idea that... you know there needs to
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be uh uh some sort of support group some support
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system in place for collectors and hobby enthusiasts
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who uh you know have experienced what similar
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you know to what i've i've gone through and so
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you know at first i was like why me why well
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like why should i carry this message i'm you
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know it's like you know practice what you preach
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you know um i didn't want to sit sound or come
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across hypocritical right and um you know i i
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realized almost like i had an epiphany where
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it was like it it will it needs to come from
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somebody who has experienced and who has lived
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it and is you know in some way still going through
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it uh because you know there needs to be that
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sense of authenticity and um genuine nature that
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comes with uh you know carrying such an important
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message. And so, you know, it's been a snowball
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effect over the last couple of weeks, just been
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going out there with the message around what
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Collectors MD is and what we're aspiring towards
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and, you know, just trying to get as much content
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out there to carry this message as possible.
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And so here we are, you know, on another great
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sports card show. discussing a movement that
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uh the hobby you know really needs to understand
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and and uh you know hopefully adapt to and it's
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it's funny how that like you know everything
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you just kind of mentioned is is you know at
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least from my perspective having the shop i see
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it almost every day people kind of get trapped
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they they aren't focusing on the right reasons.
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I was just kind of going through your stories
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and I saw the Michael Jordan and the Patrick
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Mahomes cards and people are more focused on
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price tags and the actual cards themselves. And
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it's just like, as I'm listening and as I'm looking
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at this, it's just like, wow, is this hobby?
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I'm going to say no, but I'm still going to ask
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the question, is the hobby too far gone? And
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again, I don't think so, but it's just like the
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publicity behind the wrong things of the hobby
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is what gets. highlighted more than the positivity
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and it's crazy how far people have gone away
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from collecting it at least from what i've noticed
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and you see all these influencers online posting
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the high price tags right it's not about the
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cool players i mean nobody cares about mike trout
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anymore it's all about paul skeens and jackson
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holiday nobody cares about their favorite player
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anymore it's all about whoever's the hottest
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and newest rookie so it's definitely a a place
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this hobby where our mindsets and this is kind
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of where the whole psychological aspect of it
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kind of comes in where our or maybe what we're
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watching really and what kind of content we're
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consuming is our mindsets are in the wrong space
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um but i mean the the overview that you just
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gave i mean it literally just gave me Ricky i'm
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sure he gave you a great picture of not only
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who you are where you came from how you got into
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the space and kind of the the projection that
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you have uh moving forward of what you want Collectors MD
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to do. And I guess while I have the floor right
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now, I guess I will apologize for thinking you
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were a collector from Maryland with the whole
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Collectors MD thing. You might have saw that from
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the video that I shared with you. I should have
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fought that one over a little bit. Well, when
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Ricky first mentioned it, I mean, I even said,
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is this like a guy scam or whatever from Maryland?
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Like, what are we going to be talking about?
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So I'll be honest. I had no idea until Ricky
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brought it to my head. My name is Ricky Rips MA
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and I live in Chicago now. I didn't think that
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went over either. So that's why I had the confusion.
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MA for mass. He's in Chicago now. When I see
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MD, I thought of Maryland. So it was a common,
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common mistake. But I guess, Ricky, do you have
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a pressing question you want to ask? Or do you
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want me to just kind of fire away the questions
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I have? No. Yeah. I saw that post about the Mahomes
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RPA. That's something I never really noticed
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or thought about. Like people just. post a price
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tag instead of the card. It would have been better
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if it said Mahomes RPA pulled, not $100 ,000
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card pulled. Yeah. It's crazy how once you start
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thinking about it and you become aware that this
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is just being shoved down our throats on a daily
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basis. you see it so much more right collect
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like that's the that's one of the bigger pages
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and they're pushing it down yeah it's not a hundred
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thousand dollar cards and 98 you can see my comment
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on the on the post that has 15 likes right not
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too bad but you know the the point is um they're
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you know it's called it's gotten to a point where
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like the leaders within this space Fanatics being
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the premier destination to purchase sports cards
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tcg sports memorabilia and also you know experience
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the hobby you know in terms of the content they
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push out uh you know obviously they have their
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Fanatics Live app they have their casino um Michael
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Rubin is absolutely you know monumental voice
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not just in you know our space but also amongst
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celebrities and a -listers and such and they're
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still leading with with content like this it's
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it's just a little bit alarming you know um it's
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not necessarily a knock right because it's not
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like the the worst thing in the world to to lead
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with with price tags and and you know a headline
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it's it's clickbait right at the end of the day
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this is what's going on right of of individuals
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out not just within the hobby but outside of
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the hobby like holy cow this card sold for or
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this card is valued at a hundred thousand dollars
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like let me check this out right at the same
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time it's like it's it's almost like a little
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bit disrespectful not just to like the the collector
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the person hitting the card but to the athlete
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themselves right like we're not even talking
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about mahomes and his greatness and the fact
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that he won three super bowls at age 27 or however
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old he was but you know we're just focusing on
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the fact that this piece of cardboard with his
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ink on it is worth six figures like i don't know
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just doesn't sit right with me yeah another thing
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that's never told on these posts is how much
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money they spent chasing these cars yeah I, um,
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oftentimes will tell people at the shop is, you
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know, no matter what kind of, what price tag
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your box that you're buying is, you have to go
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into it with the idea that you're probably going
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to lose half your money just by, you know, by
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purchasing it and cutting the plastic. And if
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you can make half your money back again, whether
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it's a $30 box, a $300 box or a $3 ,000 box,
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if you can make half your money back, that is
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a win. If you can make 15, 150 or 1500, that's
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a win. And you have to hope the other half is
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fun. you having fun on a $3 ,300 or $3 ,000 box.
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Because this hobby, like other hobbies too, and
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it's not just sports cards, but it's just so
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prevalent, is all built around having fun. But
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people forget about it because of these clickbaity
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titles and these videos and, again, these influencers.
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And like you mentioned, Alyx, these leaders are
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pushing not the fun collecting aspect of it,
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but the monetary aspect of it. And it's half
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backwards because... What do people more so care
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about, a $100 ,000 card or Patrick Mahomes? Yeah.
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Some would probably say Patrick Mahomes, but
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I'm going to argue for the case of this argument,
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they care about the $100 ,000 card because that
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could have been anybody. They could have pulled
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a Jaden Daniels, a Caleb Williams, Bryce Young.
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It doesn't matter who it is, but the price tag
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is what matters more than the player. Yeah. Murph,
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do me a favor. I don't know how to share my screen,
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but pull up Barstool. because they also posted
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something very similar yesterday and very, very
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similar sort of theme in terms of creating this
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false sense of hope and illusion for collectors
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that they can now go ahead and replicate what
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just took place on a stream or a live podcast.
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And that's the biggest issue that I have with
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these sort of posts. It creates this fantasy
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for people. Was it the Jordan poll? Yeah, it
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was Big Cat pulling the Michael Jordan rookie,
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yeah. All right. Yeah, it just creates this illusion,
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this fantasy that people can do what these influencers
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are doing, ripping their third pack. You can
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see my comment. Look how much attention it got,
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100 -plus likes. 27 reviews. I bet half of those
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people are calling you Negative Nancy. You can
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go through it. I've actually been going back
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and forth with some of them, responding to as
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many as I could, because honestly, some of them
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were thoughtful. A lot of them were combative
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or just like, shut up. You don't know what you're
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talking about. But this was a good opportunity,
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good platform to engage with people outside of
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the hobby who might not necessarily be educated.
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Granted, a lot of these are probably just kids
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or trolls trying to get attention. But, you know,
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like this really hit home for me. And I think
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a lot of people will agree that, again, like
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it's not as simple as just buying a vintage pack
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of Fleer, you know, 86 basketball and hitting
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on Michael Jordan rookie card in your third pack
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and grading it and turning around and making.
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you know, a hundred K or whatever, you know,
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probably go sell off the other packs. It's not
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that black and white, obviously like there's
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so much that goes into that, getting to that
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moment for the average consumer. Most people
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would have spent thousands upon thousands just
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to have the opportunity to open a pack like that.
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So, you know, it's just, it's a matter of education
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and creating guardrails. for the average consumer
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for the average collector that doesn't truly
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understand the scope of this the nature of this
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and how you know complex it is and it's not just
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rolling the dice hitting your number and then
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turning around and making a fortune it's there's
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so much more that goes into it and on the other
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hand it's like why can't we just you know take
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a step back and enjoy the nostalgic nature of
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something like this. Like this is an iconic card,
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obviously of an iconic player that many people
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consider the greatest of all time. Like, can
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we take a moment to just celebrate his greatness
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and not focus on like PSA and the grade and the
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value. But that's all that matters for a lot
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of these people is what it sells for. I mean,
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you can find. multi -thousand dollar cards hundred
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thousand dollar cards seemingly anywhere now
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but you know who cares that you know that it's
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michael jordan who cares about the nostalgia
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of it because all these people in this stream
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probably don't even know what 86 fleer basketball
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is or the significance of it they probably don't
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even know that there was basketball cards before
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then so it's the amount of people i've noticed
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at least getting into this space that have bigger
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platforms who are just kind of casuals in the
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space or they just have this money kind of laying
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around to do dumb stuff like this it is just
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appalling because it is bringing you know this
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kind of negative negative not negative uh media
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let's call it towards the hobby because how many
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i mean i think i saw a comment in the mahomes
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one you know how many people think that this
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is realistic to pull this or maybe it was in
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this one here i mean you could probably open
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a dozen of those fleer um hobby boxes and you
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might not even pull a single one and how much
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money is that going to gut you so it's yeah and
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this is vintage right like this is completely
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different format there's no parallels there's
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no inserts like you're just you're just you just
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have the the full card set right so i don't know
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what the odds are to pull a michael jordan obviously
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there's there's a print run or there's like a
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particular order where if like you hit the i
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forget which player it is but you know that the
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jordan is coming you know the next couple cards
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in the next pack whatever the correlation is
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um but with ultra modern it's just complete completely
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different ball game you know so it's hard it's
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kind of like apples to oranges in that regard
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but i think despite that that clip and just like
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the way you know the culture is reacting to it
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is it is a good example of of why thought this
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hobby is so desperate is is in such great need
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for something like we're trying to to push here
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with collectors md so i'll go ahead ready it's
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big guys like that who will introduce new people
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to the hobby with that unrealistic expectation
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like i wouldn't be surprised if down the line
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we get barstool breaks Dave's going to see that.
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He's going to be like, this is our next money
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maker. That'll create a whole new consumer base,
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I guess. I'll just bring a lot more people into
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the hobby who just expect to make money. Just
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flush money down the toilet. i've talked to a
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lot of people in the last couple weeks um people
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who have spiraled people who have lost not just
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thousands but hundreds of thousands millions
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in some cases it's all relative right it's all
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the amount of money you win or lose in the hobby
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all is dependent upon your own personal circumstances
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and situations so million dollars to one person
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you know is not million dollars to another person.
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So anyway, with that, you know, you hear very,
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very similar stories. And a lot of people say
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like, you know, the first box I bought when I
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got reintroduced to the hobby, I hit this, you
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know, unbelievable. sandy kofax to 10 that i
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turn around and sold for 15 000 or something
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like that and then it's like all of a sudden
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creating this false sense of illusion it's almost
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like your first hit right like they talk about
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like chasing the dragon you know people always
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want to recreate the first time right you you
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understand what i'm referring to it's so similar
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in that sense where like you're just trying to
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recreate that same dopamine hit that you got
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when you when you hit that first big pull so
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it's almost like a blessing and a curse when
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you hit something like that especially when you're
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getting reintroduced and you your you know mind
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is in so many different places and you don't
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fully understand you can't fully wrap your head
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around what is happening and what you're experiencing
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right and then next thing you know like you're
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trying to buy uh more and more boxes to recreate
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that moment to get that next big pull and it
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takes you another you know fifteen thousand dollars
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worth of purchases to even come remotely close
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and before you know it you know you're you're
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no longer in the green you're you're down more
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money than you came in with and it's like the
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fact that those terms are so similar to gambling
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is another part of the problem right sports guards
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hobby has just replicated it's turned into my
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um uh glorified gambling i mean you can buy packs
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like on your damn phone now and like rip them
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there or you could you could sell it right back
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you have it shipped to you you could probably
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post it for sale or something like that it's
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all the courtyard online i forget what that what
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it's called um arena club oh yep arena club does
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because i know they were having like a segment
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on like mlb network with probably somebody maybe
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i forget who it was but they were like oh do
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you want to oh matt strong i mean like hey do
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you want to rip this he rips like 10 of them
24:58
and i don't know what he does with them but it's
25:00
like my god dude 10 of them like um but no i
25:03
mean that whole like chase thing i mean i see
25:06
so many people apparently so many new people
25:09
into this hobby will buy a blaster box or a fat
25:11
pack and they pull a downtown or a kaboom or
25:14
something like that and just like you're saying
25:15
they're chasing that high and it's like yeah
25:18
you're at the top of the mountain very early
25:19
on but how many times in your life are you really
25:21
going to do that and it's only going down from
25:24
there but that's how people kind of get sucked
25:26
in is because not only are they seeing it online
25:28
they experienced it firsthand and they're like
25:30
oh i did it once i can do it again i see this
25:33
person doing it all damn time and it's just a
25:36
negative it's like you said, negative spiral
25:39
effect because gambling and sports cards, you
25:42
know, used to be so far apart and so completely
25:45
different, but now it's such a tight parallel
25:47
between the two. I mean, with the, especially
25:49
with the infusion of fantasy sports that have
25:52
been around forever with, you know, sports gambling,
25:55
that's a massive one nowadays. I mean, there's
25:57
commercials everywhere for it. I mean, if you're
25:59
into sports one way or the other, chances are
26:01
you're probably into gambling too. And you may
26:04
or may not even know it, which I think is, is
26:07
could be exciting for people if they're responsible
26:09
enough. I mean, I know I saw one of your posts
26:11
saying how casinos promote responsible gambling,
26:15
but the hobby doesn't. And I think that who's
26:19
going to, I mean, Everybody just want any business
26:22
just wants money and all these breakers and all
26:24
these platforms just want the end consumers money.
26:27
They don't care about your wallet, your mind
26:29
state or whatever it may be. And I think for
26:32
for me, at least with the background in psychology
26:35
and counseling, it's just like you can only beat
26:38
that horse so many times. The horse being that
26:40
consumer until they. metaphorically die but until
26:45
they kind of you know get out of the whole uh
26:47
gambling aspect of it and you know they just
26:49
tap out and can't do it anymore and how many
26:53
people are going to continue to come around to
26:55
be like to replace that person so i i just i
26:58
think and i've said this before with Ricky plenty
27:01
of times i think Whatnot as a whole and i'm just
27:03
going to kind of kind of point to Whatnot because
27:05
they're probably the the first and the biggest
27:07
culprit here i think Whatnot in a vacuum is great
27:10
for the hobby it allows people to kind of sell
27:13
dollar cards it allows people to buy cards for
27:15
cheap it allows people to kind of you know buy
27:19
a box and break it if they're doing it you know
27:21
and wholeheartedly in a good way there's a lot
27:24
of good things you can make connections there
27:25
but the degree and the level that it's gotten
27:28
to with backyard breaks and people scamming and
27:32
sliding car you know slight of handing cards
27:34
is is what's bad for the hobby and then you mix
27:37
in the the advanced repetition and then the advanced
27:39
gambling component of it but to wrap up my point
27:42
real quickly so i just want to clarify just for
27:46
people listening so you don't have like any kind
27:50
of background in like counseling or psychology
27:53
it's just more experience based for you what
27:56
you've seen what you've been through in your
27:58
experiences correct That's correct. Yeah. I'm
28:00
not I'm not. And I think that's important, though.
28:03
I think that's important, though, because it
28:04
allows other people to, you know, maybe hear
28:07
what you have to say or see what you have to
28:09
say on social media. Sorry, my my other screens
28:11
over here. And it allows them to be like, all
28:14
right, well, he's just an average guy. He's just
28:16
another guy in the hobby who did it and, you
28:19
know, had an admission of. Whether it was doing
28:22
something wrong, guilt, or just bad habits. And
28:25
hey, now they kind of took a turn for the better.
28:28
If he can do it because he's just some average
28:30
guy, I can do it too. And I think that's more
28:32
important than if you had a background in any
28:35
kind of medical field. Exactly. And that goes
28:38
back to the point I was making earlier in regard
28:41
to this imposter syndrome that I was experiencing
28:44
before launching Collectors MD, right? I'm not
28:50
a doctor or a licensed therapist. I don't have
28:52
any experience in offering therapy or services
28:57
or resources to individuals who are seeking help,
29:02
especially within the mental wellness space,
29:06
which is a very, very vulnerable space to begin
29:10
with. But what I do have is experience, and I've
29:14
lived it. That can't be replicated, right? Counselors,
29:20
therapists, doctors, they study and they understand
29:25
the nature of what's causing the root issue,
29:29
but they've never truly experienced the root
29:32
issue in most cases. But it's just, to me, it's
29:36
so important for the person carrying this message
29:41
or leading the way with this message. to have
29:45
gone through that experience. Yeah. And I think
29:51
experiences is very important for a lot of people.
29:54
Just, you know, not, not just from the hobby
29:56
or anything, just in life in general. But again,
29:58
it's so many people experience so many different
30:01
things. They kind of get caught up. I think,
30:02
you know, focusing on the wrong things and there
30:04
is a time and a space to focus on the wrong things.
30:07
But when it comes to the hobby specifically.
30:10
I mean, so many people watch backyard breaks
30:12
for the entertainment. So many people are watching
30:14
sudden death auctions, you know, for the entertainment.
30:16
And I guess if you want to just stick to the
30:18
entertainment aspect of it and keep your debit
30:20
or credit card out of it, that's fine. But once
30:22
you kind of partake into it. You're just feeding
30:25
the fuel of that Whatnot breaker or whoever,
30:29
and you're no better than the rest of them. Because
30:31
I stand on the edge, and I will die to my grave
30:35
saying this, that if you and your buddies all
30:39
chip in to buy a box four ways, a nice box, and
30:42
you break it amongst each other over pizza and
30:44
some beers, whatever. That is all fine and dandy.
30:47
That sounds super fun. I would love to do that
30:49
with, you know, some friends. But I think that's
30:52
as far as breaking, in my opinion, should go.
30:54
I don't do any breaks around here because I don't
30:56
really care for it. I've tried doing cheap ones.
30:58
Nobody wants them, but they'll spend hundreds
30:59
of dollars with Backyard in a heartbeat. So,
31:02
like, if you're having fun with a group of friends,
31:04
fine. But, like, once you go online and you feed
31:07
into the negative BS that we see on Whatnot or
31:12
Drip or FNAF, whoever or wherever. then you're
31:16
just, again, you're, I don't think you're any
31:18
better than anybody else. And I don't try to
31:20
mean that, you know, in a mean way, it's just
31:23
like, when are people going to learn? Like, what
31:26
is it going to take for that person to be like,
31:28
to like yourself? I can't do it anymore. I'm
31:30
done. I'm in a bad space. I spent so much money.
31:33
Like, so let me ask you personally. Um, and I'm
31:37
sorry, Ricky, I'll, I'll let you squeeze in.
31:39
I just, at what point? Was it laying in bed?
31:44
Was it after a bad break where you got nothing?
31:46
You looked at your bank account. At what point
31:48
were you like, I can't do this anymore? Like,
31:50
was there one moment? No, that's the thing, Murph.
31:53
It's not one moment. It's been countless moments
31:55
of experiencing exactly that, where it's just
31:59
utter burnout. That feeling of dread, that feeling
32:04
of what did I just do? How did I just spend all
32:08
of that money so mindlessly, so recklessly, so
32:12
carelessly? And now I have to face the consequences.
32:15
I wrote, so I write these daily reflections is
32:17
what I call it. And I publish them every day.
32:20
I don't know how many people actually read them,
32:21
but it's therapeutic for me. And I've had a lot
32:25
of, or a handful of people contribute and write.
32:28
right for this, uh, blog. And so I wrote one
32:32
last week that, um, I think really relates to
32:35
the story. It's, it's a short one, uh, but I'm
32:38
just going to quickly read it. Cause I think
32:39
it, it really, uh, hits home what you're, what
32:42
you're talking about here, Murph. So, uh, the,
32:45
the article, um, was written on the ninth. So
32:49
it was like eight days ago and the title is the
32:51
algorithm finds you. So, um, I'm just gonna,
32:54
I'm just gonna read straight from, uh, You might
32:58
not go looking for the break, but the break knows
33:00
how to find you. Late at night, during a rough
33:02
patch, in a moment of boredom or burnout, the
33:05
ads show up, the clips autoplay, the algorithm
33:08
knows your patterns, it remembers what you lingered
33:11
on, and it isn't guessing. That little hit of
33:13
content is designed to reel you back in, and
33:17
it doesn't care how you're doing mentally, emotionally,
33:19
or financially. You mindlessly click on the ad
33:22
and re -download the app you previously deleted
33:24
over 100 times before. You reluctantly tell yourself,
33:27
I'm just watching, but watching becomes browsing,
33:30
browsing becomes clicking, and clicking becomes
33:32
spending. And just like that, you're back in
33:35
the cycle you fought to leave, the cycle you
33:37
promised yourself you're done with. This isn't
33:39
just about box breaks or sports cars. It's about
33:42
free giveaways, rare finds, flash sales, one
33:47
-time discounts, anything designed to hook you
33:50
fast and keep you chasing. It's about what happens
33:52
when passion turns into pressure and no one's
33:55
talking about it. Awareness is power. Recognize
33:58
the pattern. Reclaim your space. The algorithm
34:01
doesn't get to decide your story. So you could
34:05
have that burnout moment time and time and time
34:10
again. But at the end of the day, if you don't
34:13
have the wherewithal, if you don't have the self
34:15
-control to be able to stop yourself when they
34:19
start reeling you back in, that's when there's
34:22
a problem. And with gambling, You can self -exclude.
34:27
You can tell the gaming commission of whatever
34:31
state you live in that you no longer want to
34:34
participate and they will literally block you
34:36
out. You could walk into a casino and try to
34:39
gamble and they will literally escort you out
34:42
for trespassing. That's how serious they take
34:44
it. That doesn't exist in the hobby. Whatnot,
34:47
Fanatics Live, these breakers, they could give
34:49
two shits, excuse my language, about, you know,
34:55
who you are where you come from and the amount
34:58
of money you lost they just want your money they
35:01
just want your attention and that's what it comes
35:05
down to so it's it's a sad reality but you know
35:08
we we got to do something about it so it's just
35:13
like how many like i mean we every casino every
35:16
state like you mentioned has these strict regulations
35:18
these laws because it is you know kind of how
35:22
these gambling uh businesses or you know casinos
35:26
empires um you know they thrive off of these
35:28
laws and they have to abide by these laws otherwise
35:31
they're going to get shut down and their whole
35:32
business is gone because you know casinos and
35:34
gambling is a huge huge business and it's a huge
35:38
money pit but when it comes to the hobby like
35:40
you said in that article it doesn't matter how
35:42
you're feeling or what kind of day you've had
35:44
or how much is in your bank account they just
35:46
want your money and i think almost every break
35:49
i don't watch a lot of breaks so i can't say
35:52
this so i could very well be wrong but i would
35:54
love to think actually i i think that a lot of
35:57
breakers i don't know what percentage but it's
35:59
a very high percentage don't really care about
36:01
the hobby itself they don't care about your experience
36:03
in the stream they just care if you're joining
36:06
the break and how much is spending in the break
36:08
right i think that's like their bottom line you
36:10
know they don't care that you're pulling the
36:12
cards that you want or you're buying the cards
36:14
that you want or you're getting the teams that
36:16
you want They just want to know if you're participating,
36:18
how much you're spending, and how often are you
36:21
spending. They also don't care how much you've
36:25
spent with them historically. And I hate to give
36:29
the casino, the gambling world, their flowers
36:33
in any capacity because it's just as dangerous,
36:37
if not more dangerous than what we're talking
36:41
about here. But at least they take care of their
36:45
high rollers. At least they put you up in like
36:48
the penthouse and give you free stuff and invite
36:53
you to the games and take care of you and scratch
36:55
your back and make you feel important. Not to
36:58
say that's a good thing because that's what sucks
37:00
you in. But like the hobby doesn't even offer
37:03
that. How many breakers or how many like local
37:08
sports or local card shops offer? their top spending
37:14
customers some form of vip treatment i've spent
37:18
thousands if not more with certain break groups
37:23
i won't name any names certain breakers certain
37:25
card shops oh fire away this is the most the
37:29
most i've gotten maybe a hundred dollar uh discount
37:33
or a hundred dollar gift card here and there
37:35
uh like uh you know thanks for your your uh thanks
37:40
for your support thanks for your business A sticker,
37:43
a koozie, a hat. A pen? What are we doing? I
37:48
got a pen from somebody. What are we doing, right?
37:50
You could walk away and never spend with them
37:52
again, and they won't even blink twice because
37:55
they don't care about their customers. They care
37:58
about the customer's wallets. They care about
38:02
the customer's bank accounts, money in those
38:04
bank accounts, and that's it. That's what it
38:07
comes down to. It's a business at the end of
38:08
the day. There's one breaker in particular. that
38:12
I've spent the most money with to date of all
38:17
of the breakers that I have spent money with
38:19
by a landslide. And I've had conversations with
38:23
the owner about this. And I've asked them, why
38:26
didn't you offer like a VIP program? Why didn't
38:28
you offer like, I don't know, some form of give
38:34
back to like your top 2 % customers, your top
38:38
spenders? And they literally chalk it up as,
38:41
well, we have the most competitive pricing in
38:43
the industry. You get the best deals with us.
38:45
Which is open to everybody. And that doesn't
38:49
even exist anymore because Fanatics has created
38:51
some form of regulation in regards to pricing.
38:57
And they still price gauge and do whatever they
39:05
want in terms of pricing the boxes. It's like,
39:10
are you kidding me? That's the answer you give
39:12
me? But anyway, you know, I don't like to talk
39:15
about this topic because it feeds into the concept
39:19
of going back and spending more. And it's like,
39:22
if that did become a thing, it would just attract
39:26
more people and would end up screwing over the
39:30
majority of the people that would get involved
39:32
with that because they would just keep coming
39:34
back. And at the end of the day. The house always
39:37
wins. So the reason why they give you that penthouse
39:40
and they give you all the free food and tickets
39:43
and everything else is because you're going to
39:45
spend the money. They want to get you inside
39:47
of the establishment. That's all that matters
39:50
to them. They don't care how much money they
39:52
need to throw at you. Eventually, you're going
39:55
to give it back to them and then some. Preach.
39:58
Preach. What were you going to say, Ricky? About
40:01
the whole VIP treatment thing with one -off breakers
40:05
and all that. I feel like a big reason they don't
40:08
do it is because they don't have to. There's
40:11
no need to. They're still going to get people
40:13
and they're spending money. Like you said, if
40:16
you or whoever else walked away, they wouldn't
40:19
even notice because other people will fill that
40:21
spot. At the end of the day, like I said, they
40:26
don't care about their customers. Real quick,
40:30
Ricky, here's the other thing about comparing
40:32
gambling to sports cards. And again, I don't
40:36
want to endorse gambling or any means of playing
40:42
blackjack or sports betting. Don't do it because
40:46
it's just not healthy and you're never going
40:49
to win in the long run. With that said, when
40:52
you sit down to play a hand of blackjack, at
40:55
least you have a 50 -50 chance of winning. At
40:57
least you have a 50 -50 chance of doubling your
40:59
money. When you sit down and spend $500 on a
41:02
hobby box, You have maybe a 10 % chance of making
41:08
your money back, let alone profiting. It's like
41:11
that alone should deter people. But it doesn't.
41:15
It doesn't. And people justify it by saying,
41:17
well, you know, at the end of the day, like you
41:19
said, Murph, just paying for the entertainment.
41:21
You know, there's the entertainment value. And,
41:23
you know, it's the nostalgic factor of opening
41:26
a box of sports cards like I used to when I was
41:29
a kid with my dad or whatever. Who are you kidding?
41:32
The way people open cards today versus how it
41:38
used to be in the 80s and the 90s, it's not even
41:41
in the same stratosphere. People like to join
41:46
breaks for a rooting interest. You'll see a lot
41:50
of sports bettors. They'll throw $5 on a game.
41:53
They'll throw $50 on a game, whatever. They're
41:55
just like, it just gives me something to root
41:57
for. I'll admit it. During football playoffs,
41:59
I'll do the same thing during the championship
42:00
weekend and the Super Bowl. I'll pick a few,
42:03
three or four props. I'll throw five, ten bucks
42:05
on it. If I win, that's great. If not, who cares?
42:06
But it just gives me something to root for. I
42:08
won't say I want to get in the end zone twice,
42:10
whatever it may be. But let me ask you this because
42:13
I feel like we – If you could do that, more power
42:16
to you. It's called control and restraint, honestly,
42:19
because once the games are over, delete the app.
42:21
If you can be an adult, like I salute you. And
42:25
I am just – I have nothing but good words to
42:28
say about people who have that sense of control.
42:31
And most people do, frankly, but there are people
42:34
that don't. And we need to help those people.
42:35
People ask me all the time, like, how do you
42:38
not rip all that product, you know, on the shelves?
42:40
I'm like, well, I buy it once. And, you know,
42:43
I look at it as the mindset of if I open it,
42:45
I buy it a second time, which, you know, any
42:47
business, any ROI, any profit, you know, you
42:51
know, model, you can't buy something twice and
42:53
expect to profit off of it. You just can't. So
42:55
it's like, I don't really care for this certain
42:58
set, you know, this court Kings basketball set
43:00
personally. or maybe it's like football absolutely
43:03
i could care less for it so why would i even
43:05
open it like sure it would make great content
43:07
sure it would be nice to kind of expose so i
43:09
have a better understanding of the product Sure,
43:11
sure, sure, sure. But there's too many products
43:13
that come out. So it's like, why expose myself
43:16
so I can understand this product better? Sure.
43:18
It might help me sell it better, but like, there's
43:20
going to be something else next week. So why
43:21
does it matter? And I'm not going to keep opening
43:23
and opening, opening over the week. Exactly.
43:25
So it's just like, I mean, you can go on YouTube
43:27
and find a million people who are opening the
43:29
product. If you want to kind of, you know, look
43:30
at it and see what comes out of it. And, you
43:32
know, I'm not going to try to, you know, be a
43:34
fish swimming in that school with, you know,
43:35
you know, all these other bigger breakers or
43:37
bigger box openers. But. I do want to ask you
43:41
this question, though, because we've been talking
43:43
a lot about, I'd say, the negative aspect of
43:46
it. But obviously, when we're trying to bring
43:48
awareness to something, we have to accept something.
43:50
And that acceptance is unfortunately negative.
43:53
But in your perspective, where do you see? or
43:58
where would you like the hobby to go? Maybe within
44:01
just a year from now with the promotion and the
44:05
introduction of collectors MD, like this time
44:08
next year, where do you expect collectors MD
44:10
to be? And where would you like to see the hobby?
44:14
It's a great question. And it's a hard question
44:16
to answer because it's definitely not black and
44:19
white. It's not black and white. It's only been
44:21
a few weeks. But the amount of. momentum and
44:27
support i've received in such a short time has
44:29
been so overwhelming that i feel like this potentially
44:34
has wheels to you know take take some leaps and
44:39
bounds and and become a mainstay uh in a hobby
44:42
in an industry that is so desperate for something
44:45
like it so in a year from now i would love to
44:50
see just at the bare minimum some guardrails
44:53
in place so and it doesn't have to have anything
44:56
to do with Collectors MD. I'd love to help push
44:59
the reform for it. I'd love to help advocate
45:02
for this to be a mainstay. I'm just one person.
45:09
I'm not a gaming commission. I'm not going to
45:11
come in like the SEC and just lay down the law.
45:14
That's not what we're trying to do. Just trying
45:15
to spread awareness. I would love to see guardrails.
45:19
I would love to see Fanatics. and or Whatnot,
45:24
Loupe, whoever else, say, okay, we have to offer
45:28
the customer, the consumer, the option to put
45:34
themselves in timeout, which in gambling terms,
45:37
that means cool off, where you can't access the
45:40
app. Once you put yourself on that exclusion
45:42
list, you cannot. access the app no matter how
45:45
hard you try they have your ip address they have
45:48
your social security number they have all of
45:50
your credentials so that the only way you could
45:52
access it would be through you know somebody
45:55
else i mean you know addicts find a way around
45:57
it but at least put something in place uh you
46:01
know a safety net feature so that people can
46:05
can stop themselves in a moment of vulnerability
46:09
and desperation right like Murph you're talking
46:12
about all these different products that we have
46:15
access to you know like i could say this because
46:19
i've experienced it there have been times at
46:21
2 3 a .m where i'm so desperate for a hit that
46:25
dopamine hit that next big card where i'll i'll
46:28
open anything you know i'm i'm like at the uh
46:32
Chronicles Blasters, baby. Bottom of the barrel.
46:34
Just trying to scrape whatever I can. Trying
46:36
to join whatever live channel is still, you know,
46:40
is still live. And, you know, now it's 24 -7.
46:43
But, you know, just trying to find somebody who's
46:45
selling anything. And it's like I find myself
46:47
ripping product that I never in a million years
46:50
would have thought I would open, right? Like
46:53
I always tried to limit myself to basketball,
46:56
football, baseball. Like the three main sports
46:59
and the three main leagues, right? Like I'm not
47:02
opening up WNBA or, you know, college or, you
47:08
know, I'm not really a hockey fan, but like I'm
47:10
not ripping hockey. I'm not ripping UFC or WWE
47:13
or F1 or any of these other sports or, you know,
47:18
secondary sports, if you will, that have become
47:20
mainstream within this space, right? If it's
47:25
out there and it's available at 3 a .m. and I
47:27
need that itch scratched and it's the only thing
47:29
I can open, I'll give it a shot. There have been
47:37
times where it's like the stream ends or the
47:40
money runs out or my credit card gets declined
47:45
because I've exceeded my daily limit and I literally
47:50
can't spend another dollar even if I tried. And
47:54
I'm itching. I need to in that moment so badly.
47:58
But then I just end up falling asleep. And the
48:00
next morning, I wake up with a sense of relief
48:02
that I wasn't able to. It's like your mindset
48:08
completely changes in the daytime or in the morning
48:10
versus that late night when you're really craving.
48:16
And so if there was an opportunity to... stop
48:21
yourself before you end up in that situation
48:23
so like in the morning when you're like oh i
48:25
can't believe i i went down that rabbit hole
48:27
i'm like afraid like all i could think about
48:31
all day is like what if i end up there again
48:33
later tonight give me the opportunity to prevent
48:36
myself from putting like that that alone will
48:39
give people peace of mind right it's one less
48:42
thing to worry about it's one less thing to like
48:44
think you know uh like i don't even have the
48:47
option to like i'm self -excluded from gambling
48:50
I did the maximum five years in New Jersey. I
48:53
did this, you know, when I stopped gambling in
48:57
April of 2023. And now I can't gamble. And I
49:00
don't even really think about it, right? Like
49:02
it's just not really top of mind. It's all mindset.
49:05
That's really what I'm down to. When it was there,
49:08
when it was an option, I would always think about
49:10
like, well, what about the deposit match? What
49:11
about the bonuses? What about like, you know,
49:14
all these freebies? Like just one more hand won't
49:17
hurt. And it's such a slippery slope that like
49:19
no matter. how you approach it, you're going
49:22
to end up going full tilt at one point or another.
49:24
It's just a matter of time. So that was a very
49:27
long -winded answer to your question, Murph.
49:30
But I just want to see some guardrails in place
49:32
that help protect the end consumer. And, you
49:38
know, one other thing I just want to caveat is
49:40
that a lot of people, like when I spoke with
49:43
the guys at the Real Card Show, you know, Cage.
49:46
uh and valor both great dudes they were having
49:50
fun with it you know but they were talking about
49:52
like you're an adult like you don't need like
49:57
a nanny or like uh somebody to to help you like
50:00
they couldn't wrap their heads around it per
50:03
se like they could but at the same time they
50:05
were like like why can't you just be an adult
50:08
And that's something that comes up all the time
50:10
in GA because I went to GA meetings for a couple
50:13
of years and we can get into that if we have
50:15
the time. But spouses and significant others
50:20
are like, why can't you just be a grown adult
50:23
and be responsible and not gamble? But unfortunately,
50:27
we live in a day and age where it's just not
50:29
that simple. And an addict is an addict no matter
50:32
how you slice it. You can't tell an alcoholic
50:35
who's addicted to drinking. to just stop drinking.
50:38
It's not that simple. And like, it's, it's not
50:42
a cop out. It's not like an excuse or justification.
50:45
It's the reality. Addiction is addiction. And
50:49
it just, it needs to be treated appropriately.
50:53
And I just want to see people in this hobby have
50:58
the opportunity to get that treatment the same
51:01
way any other addict would. I just want it to
51:03
be taken seriously. I like that. That was a good
51:06
answer. Do you have a follow -up for that, Ricky,
51:09
before I ask another question? Yeah. I mean,
51:13
you would think that these bigger companies want
51:16
their consumers to feel protected, safe in a
51:21
hobby, but it really shows their mindset of they,
51:26
at the end of the day, they just want your money.
51:28
They don't care about you. And I think that sucks.
51:33
They just care about your money. People should
51:35
realize that they don't care about them. Yeah.
51:39
I do think there's like a psychological element.
51:41
I mean, we've already kind of talked about it
51:42
a bunch when, you know, it comes to addiction
51:44
and that dopamine hit, but like outside of that,
51:47
I want to know, I mean, maybe you could speak
51:48
about experience. Like other than that, other
51:51
than the dopamine, the chase for another hit,
51:53
like what is that underlying reason to do it?
51:55
And it can be a rhetorical question. We don't
51:56
need to dive into it because I do have another
51:59
question I do want to ask. I think it's a little
52:01
bit more important, but like. I mean, I guess
52:03
I'll ask both of you this. I want to kind of
52:06
ask this question. Ricky, I'll ask it to you
52:08
first. Are singles any better? Obviously, it's
52:13
a safer purchase. You know what you're getting
52:16
compared to a break. And you can make that purchase
52:19
price anything you really want. You can go from
52:21
quarter cards. You can go to $1 ,000 cards. But
52:23
just in a vacuum, the practice, the principle
52:26
behind it. And then, Alyx, I'll ask you after
52:28
Ricky. How much better is singles? You could
52:32
buy $100 cards, $100 cards, $100 cards, and the
52:34
next thing you know, it tanks 20%. Would you
52:37
be better off just buying the box and being done
52:39
with it, or is the single being able to walk
52:41
away with something better? I feel like it depends
52:44
on the mindset that you're going into it with.
52:46
Are you buying the single because you think it'll
52:48
shoot up? Yeah. Or are you buying the single
52:51
because you like the player? If it's a card you
52:55
like, I don't think it necessarily matters. the
53:00
value of it like obviously you want it to maintain
53:02
or grow but at the end of the day you're getting
53:05
a card you like and i think that's more important
53:08
or better than buying to make money yeah at least
53:13
it's like at least you're getting something that
53:16
you want out of it whereas you could spend hundreds
53:19
of dollars on breaks and get base cards yeah
53:21
they don't even send you base cards right so
53:24
at least you're getting something that you want
53:27
out of it if you're buying to collect. But if
53:30
you're buying to invest, I mean, I guess that's
53:34
no different than buying a box. Yeah. So Alyx,
53:39
where do you stand on this? Like, obviously I
53:41
feel, at least I feel like the way I'm interpreting
53:43
it and probably the direction you're going with
53:45
is more of the whole breaking platform, your
53:48
whole live stream platforms, you know, people
53:51
diving into that unconsciously basically. But
53:54
like, When you're buying singles, whether it's
53:56
on one of those platforms or buying singles,
53:58
say, at a show, is there any difference? Is it
54:01
any better? Is it more acceptable? I think from
54:04
a collecting standpoint, like what Ricky said,
54:06
I think it's totally fine because if you want
54:08
to spend $100 on a guy, go ahead. It doesn't
54:11
matter. Do whatever you want that will please
54:12
your collection needs. Why do people buy these
54:16
multi -hundred -thousand -dollar boxes? Because
54:19
they think that they're going to buy in cheap
54:22
and get something crazy. For them, it's a way
54:26
of an investment. But if you're looking at singles
54:27
from an investment standpoint, in your opinion,
54:30
is there any difference? Yeah, it's a great question.
54:33
It's definitely a gray area because it really
54:36
depends on the person. I'll lead with singles.
54:40
Buying singles, going the singles route is obviously
54:42
much safer than joining breaks. But it's less
54:47
appealing because it doesn't have that excitement
54:49
factor. And one thing I'll say, you know, that
54:52
I've always enjoyed about getting into breaks
54:55
or just what eventually evolved into just buying
54:58
my own personal boxes was that if I hit like
55:01
a top prospect, I'll give you an example. 2021
55:04
Bowman came out. This was Bowman draft. And at
55:10
the time, Carson Williams shortstop prospect
55:12
for the Tampa Bay Rays wasn't like a big name.
55:15
I think it was like a top 15 player, but. I hit
55:19
his black refractor to 75 on card auto his first
55:24
bowman. And I ended up holding onto it because
55:27
he had a really cool like autograph, like penmanship.
55:30
He signs his name with like a star. And so I
55:33
ended up holding onto it. And like, now I find
55:36
myself rooting for the guy. Right. I'm like rooting
55:38
for the guy to play well and to move up the rankings.
55:41
Well, as it turns out, he's now a top five, top
55:44
10 prospect. And so I ended up, uh, creating
55:48
the card it got a psa 10 autograph 10 and i held
55:52
on to it for a long time and then uh he didn't
55:56
get called up this year i think his eta is either
55:58
this year or next year but i said like why why
56:02
am i holding on to this card you know like i
56:04
hate it like but like there's no real sentimental
56:07
value here so i ended up just selling it i got
56:10
rid of it like you know i'm still root for the
56:12
guy whatever but like i realized that The only
56:16
reason why I was rooting for this guy was because
56:18
I hit his card in a box of Bowman. There's a
56:23
cool factor to that to some extent, but there
56:26
is literally no other reason why I'm rooting
56:28
for the guy. Exactly. With that, on the other
56:35
side of the coin, Collectors MD is intended to
56:40
help people with compulsive spending across all...
56:45
categories verticals hobbies whatever you want
56:48
to call it and the sports card hobby is the most
56:53
lucrative because excuse me because of that excitement
56:59
factor because of the fact that you are buying
57:02
into something that you don't know what you're
57:04
getting in return you don't know what the contents
57:06
of the box is which is what makes it glorified
57:08
gambling right and so if you're just buying singles
57:11
that eliminates that and now you're just back
57:14
to regular collecting where you're just buying
57:16
you know what you're getting you're buying a
57:17
pair of jordan threes you know you're getting
57:20
a pair of jordan threes in the mail right but
57:23
when you buy a box of a hobby box of prism and
57:27
you open it when it gets it like you don't know
57:29
what you're going to hit you don't know if you're
57:30
getting back 10 of your return of your investment
57:33
you don't know if you're getting back 100 200
57:36
and so it creates uh you know a sense of it creates
57:45
an illusion it creates like you know that fantasy
57:47
like i could potentially double my money if i
57:50
buy into a break or if i buy a hobby box you
57:54
know of of sports cards and so that's why i feel
57:59
like obviously buying singles is much safer but
58:02
you can still fall into the same trap from buying
58:06
singles because of the emotional and psychological
58:10
burnout that comes with spending compulsively
58:14
right like i've been in you know just just a
58:19
spectator where like i i see a really nice card
58:22
get hit in a break where i'm not even in the
58:25
break or maybe i am in the break and somebody
58:27
else hits the card next thing i know i find myself
58:30
trying to find that same card on eBay to buy
58:32
it for myself right so like or to see what it's
58:34
worth just to kind of worth and the next thing
58:37
you know like you're you're overspending on it
58:38
just like because you want to scratch that itch
58:40
and It comes in and then like a week later you're
58:43
over it and you want to sell it and you're going
58:45
to lose money on it because the product's no
58:46
longer as hyped. And it's a vicious cycle, man.
58:50
You just have to do it. You have to buy with,
58:54
or I should say collect, not buy. You have to
58:56
collect with intention, not compulsion. And that's
59:00
just the important part. So there's so many ways
59:03
you can look at it. There's so many different
59:05
answers. And again, it's, it's. case by case
59:10
person to person but as long as you're doing
59:13
it responsibly and with intention you know you
59:17
you have my blessing more power to you i i hear
59:21
that and i think there's so many factors that
59:25
go into it but i think a lot of people who are
59:27
kind of stuck in this rut let's call it just
59:31
don't see the bigger picture i mean let's kind
59:33
of circle back to a previous point like just
59:35
be an adult like i mean you got kids you got
59:37
a wife you got family whoever whatever and just
59:39
like at the end of the day it's just cardboard
59:41
and we really make what the we make the market
59:44
i mean i'm telling people religiously like hey
59:46
don't buy scalped pokemon product don't buy product
59:50
that's too overpriced because if you just stop
59:52
buying it then they won't be able to sell and
59:55
they're going to lose money eventually or you'll
59:56
be able to find it cheaper and i think there's
59:58
a lot of similarity or at least a lot of crossover
1:00:01
to the sports world is like, if people just,
1:00:04
I mean, let's just play a hypothetical. Like
1:00:06
if people, everybody in the world just stopped
1:00:07
buying into breaks, there's going to be a dramatic
1:00:10
price collapse in spots because these breakers
1:00:13
still need to sell those boxes. And even if they
1:00:15
take a loss on it, they're just happy to move
1:00:17
it to keep things rotating and going. So it's
1:00:19
just like, obviously that's not going to happen,
1:00:22
but it's just like, you know, if people collectively
1:00:25
was to just kind of. open their eyes let's just
1:00:28
call a lack of better words then maybe the breaking
1:00:32
space can even become a little bit better a little
1:00:34
bit healthier kind of circle back again to another
1:00:36
point having guardrails in place or having you
1:00:38
know safety systems in place or just to have
1:00:41
people just be more vigilant and conscious and
1:00:44
conscious excuse me when it comes to this stuff
1:00:47
then the whole breaking element of the hobby
1:00:50
and it's not even really a hobby breaking to
1:00:52
be honest but if that whole aspect can dramatically
1:00:56
change or just small changes along the way over
1:01:00
between now and the next year to go back to a
1:01:02
question i asked then maybe breaking can be fun
1:01:06
for people or it can be or it can be um you know
1:01:09
healthier in some ways i mean i'm still going
1:01:11
to be against it completely again unless you're
1:01:13
with some buddies you know you know having a
1:01:15
few drinks and some pizza while you're opening
1:01:16
some cool cars but otherwise it's just a pit
1:01:20
of misery for people yeah like i think Yeah,
1:01:24
I think – I mean Rob Veers from Burbank says
1:01:26
the reason why they don't do breaks. I mean and
1:01:28
they're the place that could do all the breaks
1:01:29
in the world with all the product they have.
1:01:31
But it's like eight out of ten times you join
1:01:34
a break, you're leaving unsatisfied. So would
1:01:38
you do anything to spend for satisfaction? I
1:01:42
would say probably 9 .5 out of ten times. I would
1:01:45
agree. I think he kind of low -balled it there
1:01:47
because it's like every thousand dollars you
1:01:49
spend on a break. How much of that are you making
1:01:51
back? Sure, there's going to be a one -off where
1:01:53
you absolutely hit. Sure, sure, sure. But how
1:01:56
many times are you breaking? Yeah. Just on the
1:01:59
quote on your website, just to finish my point,
1:02:01
just a quote from your website, $50 ,000. How
1:02:03
much money do we think that guy actually made
1:02:04
back? Or how much value he obtained from those
1:02:08
breaks? Yep. And these are all real quotes, by
1:02:11
the way. It's crazy, man. It really is. It's
1:02:19
the camaraderie and the excitement that these
1:02:23
breakers create, right? Especially for kids who
1:02:28
are just coming into the hobby or who are uneducated.
1:02:30
And maybe they're using their savings, their
1:02:35
life savings or their college fund or their parents'
1:02:41
money. And then these breakers are like, why
1:02:44
break anywhere else? You've got to get into this
1:02:47
next one. Big, big, big tradebacks and all of
1:02:52
the excitement and the lure. I hate to say it,
1:02:55
and I don't mean to sound cynical, but it's just
1:02:59
so predatory. It's just so predatory. I'll never,
1:03:05
I'll never, I'll never forget. I think it was
1:03:08
backyards. They were doing a break on something.
1:03:10
I forget what product it was. It wasn't like
1:03:12
a Chronicles or anything. Maybe it was Prism.
1:03:13
I have no idea. And they pulled, I think this
1:03:15
is Derek Carr's first season in new Orleans.
1:03:18
And I was just watching cause I was bored of
1:03:19
the shop one day and Prism just came out again.
1:03:21
I think it was Prism and they pulled the Derek
1:03:23
Carr out of 149. And I kid you not, they flipped
1:03:26
out. Like they just pulled RPA, like an RPA of
1:03:30
the Mahomes, you know, From earlier, we were
1:03:32
talking about it. It's like, guys, it is a mid
1:03:34
-tier quarterback who is overpaid, who is probably
1:03:37
in the last leg of his career. Why are we going
1:03:38
crazy over a $2 .29 card? The break spot was
1:03:43
probably $100, to be honest. It's just like,
1:03:45
what are we doing, guys? I mean, it's not just
1:03:48
Backyard, but they were the poster child. It's
1:03:51
so many breakers. It's so many companies. It's
1:03:54
so many streamers. And it's even the people who
1:03:57
are buying into it, too. They all mimic each
1:04:00
other, man. It's like they're all one in the
1:04:03
same. And again, I'm not trying to knock anyone
1:04:05
or knock any breakers. I respect the hustle.
1:04:07
At the end of the day, it's just a business.
1:04:09
And a lot of these individuals that work for
1:04:12
these brands, these breakers, they're just doing
1:04:15
their job. They're just trying to do right by
1:04:18
the company. So I get it. I respect it. But we
1:04:23
just need to create a sense of... regulation
1:04:29
of like if hey if if you feel like you're going
1:04:34
down a slippery slope and you need a little bit
1:04:37
of help you need a little bit of guidance like
1:04:39
we're here we're here for you that's all it really
1:04:43
is man that's all it is it's like you can collect
1:04:46
you can continue to collect you can continue
1:04:47
to join breaks just make sure you're doing it
1:04:50
responsibly make sure you're doing it with intention
1:04:52
and if you feel like you can't do that if you
1:04:55
feel like you're at a point where you can't join
1:04:57
a break or you can't watch a break or consume
1:04:59
the content without like getting that itch, then
1:05:03
maybe it's time to like hit the pause button
1:05:05
and just reset and just rethink what your goals
1:05:09
are and what your, you know, what your, what
1:05:15
your, your, your life is all about. Right. Cause
1:05:17
at the end of the day, like this is affecting
1:05:19
people's livelihoods and that's. That's where
1:05:22
it starts to get scary. Marriages are being affected
1:05:25
and children are being affected. We don't want
1:05:30
all that. This hobby should be full of joy and
1:05:34
positivity. That's what we're trying to push.
1:05:37
We're not trying to be cynical or rain on anybody's
1:05:43
parade or be this black cloud in the hobby. If
1:05:46
anything, it's like we're trying to be a breath
1:05:48
of fresh air. shining light for people who need
1:05:51
the help it's like okay to admit that you need
1:05:55
the help or like you know somebody who needs
1:05:57
the help or you have a customer that needs the
1:05:59
help you know what i would love and i'm just
1:06:02
spitballing here just kind of thought of this
1:06:03
but like if a breaker a break company had like
1:06:08
a set of terms where they like a guide of sorts
1:06:13
where if like they can identify if one of their
1:06:17
customers is starting to overspend, overextend,
1:06:22
lose it, go down a spiral, they can then work
1:06:27
with us at Collectors MD to figure out a solution
1:06:30
to help that individual. It's not like, let me
1:06:36
rat out like this person and they need help.
1:06:38
Like, let's get them help. It's more so just
1:06:41
like providing them with that guidance, that
1:06:43
sense of security that just doesn't currently
1:06:47
exist. I agree. Ricky, any final questions before
1:06:52
we kind of go into our outgoing takes, which
1:06:54
is a segment we always do to wrap up episodes?
1:06:57
Any other final questions or anything, Ricky,
1:07:00
before we go over there? Yeah, I just want to
1:07:02
talk about a point you just made. Like, we're
1:07:06
not cynical. We don't hate the hobby. anything
1:07:08
like that like ironically enough the sports card
1:07:11
hobby helped me get over my gambling addiction
1:07:14
like yeah back during kovid when all the sports
1:07:18
were just coming back i that's what i spent most
1:07:21
of my money on like offshore bookie betting like
1:07:25
yeah once i started doing sports card that took
1:07:28
the focus off of that and like sports card helped
1:07:33
me get over my gambling like i still i'll still
1:07:35
play some better every now and then but I just
1:07:38
enjoy sports cards way more than I enjoy gambling
1:07:41
and I'm getting something out of it. It's physical
1:07:44
too. That's the thing. I mean, how many parlays
1:07:46
can you place? And even if you win, what are
1:07:48
you walking away with? Sure. You're walking away
1:07:50
with a little bit of money in your account, but
1:07:51
like, I mean, money comes and goes all the time,
1:07:54
but I mean, if you buy a card, it can always
1:07:56
stay forever. Like I got a bunch of cards here
1:07:58
in my backdrop that I don't ever see myself getting
1:08:00
rid of unless I can upgrade. And I don't mind
1:08:03
paying the money for him. And at least I have.
1:08:05
something to showcase and I can walk away with,
1:08:07
you know, something at the end of the day. So
1:08:09
no, I, I agree with you completely. Me too. A
1:08:13
big reason why I never got into the breaking
1:08:15
business or repack business or anything like
1:08:17
that is because I understand what it's like to
1:08:20
lose your money and get nothing out of it. Like,
1:08:23
I don't want to be that person who takes people's
1:08:27
money and not getting anything out of it. Right.
1:08:30
I can't get myself to do that. Nope. Again, I
1:08:34
mean, I think there there's a line of fun and
1:08:39
degeneracy. Now, I think that line is going to
1:08:41
be a lot different for everybody. But I mean,
1:08:44
at least for me, I mean, even as a shop owner,
1:08:46
like, could I run breaks? Sure. I mean, I we
1:08:48
all have platforms. Could we all do it? Sure.
1:08:50
But like, I mean, I pride myself so much on,
1:08:53
you know, having fun and a happy and healthy
1:08:55
hobby. And it's just like breaking is not that
1:08:57
it's just not that in any way, shape or form,
1:09:00
at least for I'd say the majority of people.
1:09:02
in this hobby or in this space for that matter.
1:09:05
But to transition to our outgoing takes here,
1:09:08
Alyx, what Ricky and I like to do to wrap up
1:09:10
each episode is we like to just kind of circle
1:09:14
back to one point that we talked about. It could
1:09:16
be something that we did talk about or didn't
1:09:18
talk about, something we just kind of want to
1:09:19
mention before we wrap up today's episode. So
1:09:22
I'll let you go first so you can take the floor
1:09:25
on that one. It could literally be about anything.
1:09:28
It could be about nothing. It could be about
1:09:30
this or that, but fire away. man really uh put
1:09:35
you on the spot yeah yeah put me on the spot
1:09:37
do you want me to go i'll go first if you want
1:09:39
why don't you go first okay so my outgoing take
1:09:43
here is to i mean i think i kind of maybe mentioned
1:09:46
it probably a thousand times already is just
1:09:48
have fun in this hobby whatever that is responsible
1:09:50
fun being an adult i kind of like how you mentioned
1:09:52
that and at the end of the day really this hobby
1:09:56
is just built on cardboard mostly shiny cardboard
1:09:58
with a little bit of of ink and some napkin patches
1:10:01
and you know people are going to spend what they're
1:10:04
going to want to spend they're going to make
1:10:05
the decisions that they're going to make whatever
1:10:07
it is however you do it or how much you spend
1:10:10
just have fun doing it and if you're doing it
1:10:12
because you need that itch or you need that dopamine
1:10:15
then you're probably into it for the wrong reason
1:10:17
now sure fun and dopamine can have a strong correlation
1:10:20
together but i think we all know a really good
1:10:25
separation between needing dopamine and having
1:10:28
fun. Like, I mean, we could all go to the store
1:10:30
right now and probably buy a fat pack for $15
1:10:32
and probably rip it and have some fun and we're
1:10:34
done. Whereas whoever needs that dopamine itch
1:10:38
needs to buy the next pack and the next pack
1:10:40
in the whole box and then another box. And just,
1:10:42
there needs to be a difference there. And I think
1:10:44
for a lot of people, there is a good difference
1:10:46
or at least they know that difference, but just.
1:10:49
whatever your plan is, whatever your path is,
1:10:51
whatever you're doing in this hobby, whether
1:10:54
you're a breaker, you're a streamer, you're a
1:10:55
seller, you're a buyer, trader, shop owner, whatever.
1:10:59
Have fun. And I preach that all a lot. Ricky
1:11:02
can testify that. But that's really what this
1:11:04
hobby needs to be. And you could probably look
1:11:06
at any hobby, whether it's sneakers, comics,
1:11:08
video games, action figures, new, old, anywhere
1:11:11
in between. The majority of them are probably
1:11:13
having fun to some degree, maybe not sneakers
1:11:16
because, you know, that's a little bit of intoxicating
1:11:18
from time to time. But just have fun. I think
1:11:21
that's a good outgoing take for myself. I like
1:11:23
it. Ricky, why don't you go next? Yeah, I just
1:11:28
wanted to say that, like, for people who are
1:11:31
going through, you know, an addiction, sports
1:11:34
car, whether it's sports car, gambling, whatever,
1:11:37
just need people to know that they're not alone.
1:11:39
They're not the only ones who are up at. 3 a
1:11:42
.m like you said buying into a break of i don't
1:11:47
know college lacrosse even though they don't
1:11:50
know anything about it like they're not people
1:11:54
aren't alone and i it's important that they find
1:11:57
the resources like your page so they'll let them
1:11:59
know that they're not alone and that there is
1:12:01
help out there and people who are just like you
1:12:03
yeah yeah 100 easy a lot shorter than mine Cool.
1:12:11
I'll close it out. So, you know, we talked a
1:12:14
lot about collecting versus gambling and how,
1:12:18
you know, there are a lot of synergies there.
1:12:20
And there's obviously a lot of blurred lines
1:12:23
between collecting and gambling these days. So
1:12:27
the question is, you know, and people are going
1:12:31
to continue asking this question as we continue
1:12:33
to push this message is, is it even okay to collect?
1:12:37
You know, if you're... pursuing this as part
1:12:43
of, you know, your life's mission or, you know,
1:12:46
you're advocating for this movement. And the
1:12:50
question is, it's more than okay. You know, we're
1:12:53
not like Gamblers Anonymous where we're telling
1:12:56
you that gambling is the devil and you have to
1:12:59
self -exclude and you can never do it again in
1:13:01
your life. And, you know, it's a lifelong commitment
1:13:04
journey. And while, you know, with collecting
1:13:07
and doing it responsibly, 100 % is a lifelong
1:13:11
journey, it doesn't mean that you have to stop
1:13:16
collecting or you can't appreciate, you know,
1:13:19
a nice item or like you said, Murph, like a tangible
1:13:25
object, that material good that you save up for
1:13:30
or you purchase with intent. So it's just collecting
1:13:34
what it's done with intention. It can be filling.
1:13:38
It's healthy. It can connect you to what you
1:13:41
truly love, whether that's your favorite team,
1:13:43
a piece of pop culture, a specific moment in
1:13:47
time that's nostalgic, or even just something.
1:13:51
you know, a certain aesthetic that you vibe with.
1:13:53
So for a lot of us collecting, again, it brings
1:13:56
us back to nostalgia. It gives us something to
1:13:59
look forward to and it helps express who we are.
1:14:02
So again, the problem isn't collecting. The problem
1:14:06
is when it turns into chasing and gambling and
1:14:10
when it starts to feel like pressure instead
1:14:11
of passion and when you're not even sure why
1:14:14
you're buying anymore, right? You're buying for
1:14:17
all the wrong reasons. You're just trying to
1:14:18
keep up or get that next hit. Fill that gap that
1:14:22
never actually truly closes, no matter how big
1:14:25
the hit is. But if you're setting boundaries,
1:14:27
staying within your means and actually enjoying
1:14:31
the stuff that you're picking up, then yeah,
1:14:34
collecting is an awesome thing. It can be grounding.
1:14:38
It can be fun. So yeah, it's okay to collect.
1:14:42
Just don't lose yourself doing it. I absolutely
1:14:47
love that. You kind of encompassed everything
1:14:48
we've been talking about. You kind of wrapped
1:14:50
it up, put a nice little button on it. That was
1:14:52
perfect way. And Alyx, before we go collectors
1:14:55
MD, I know I kind of put it up a little bit on
1:14:58
the screen, but Instagram, you have a website.
1:15:00
Where else can we find you? Yeah, man. Well,
1:15:02
first of all, thank you guys again so much for
1:15:04
having me really, really appreciate it. Appreciate
1:15:07
you guys helping spread the word, the awareness.
1:15:09
If you want to learn more about collectors MD,
1:15:12
you can follow us on Instagram. DM us. I do my
1:15:16
best to respond to every single DM and not just
1:15:19
with an emoji or a heart. I try to be thoughtful
1:15:24
and intentional with my responses, so please
1:15:27
feel free to reach out. You can also check out
1:15:29
the website, collectorsmd .com. We post daily
1:15:33
reflections on there. Every single day, there's
1:15:36
a new journal entry, so if you're looking for
1:15:38
content, post there. We post on mantle as well
1:15:43
which is a new community platform built for the
1:15:47
hobby very similar to discord uh but we are on
1:15:50
mantle now and i will be you know continuing
1:15:54
to post on a daily basis there um and as we grow
1:15:57
you know as hopefully collectors md becomes a
1:16:01
team beyond me Beyond just me, we can start reaching
1:16:06
individuals no matter where they're consuming
1:16:08
content. So we already have TikTok, Twitter,
1:16:12
Facebook. What else? Discord, YouTube, all of
1:16:18
the above. We just need the bandwidth to be able
1:16:22
to syndicate across all of those channels. So
1:16:24
hopefully sooner rather than later. But this
1:16:29
is a collective effort. Let's do this. Amen.
1:16:32
uh you know move the needle spread the message
1:16:36
spread the word and educate people i appreciate
1:16:39
you guys absolutely and it was a pleasure to
1:16:41
have you on thank you so much Yeah, absolutely.
1:16:45
I mean, again, Ricky, I'm glad you found Collectors MD
1:16:48
for us to be able to sit down and have this conversation
1:16:50
with Alyx. Again, I think it's going to be a
1:16:53
funny little story moving forward. I thought
1:16:54
I knew a collector from Maryland, but it's neither
1:16:56
here nor there. But no, it was an absolute pleasure.
1:16:59
I mean, we definitely would love to have you
1:17:01
on maybe, you know, sometime down the road to
1:17:03
kind of revisit things and kind of see, you know,
1:17:05
how far you've grown and, you know, where you're
1:17:07
at now. you know, come then. So hopefully the
1:17:10
door, if you'd like it to be open to come back
1:17:13
on and, you know, preach some more about what
1:17:15
you're doing or what you have done up, you know,
1:17:16
love that. Absolutely. Thank you guys. Absolutely.
1:17:19
And everybody, thank you so much for watching.
1:17:21
We've definitely appreciated Alyx. We will catch
1:17:23
you in another time. Hopefully we can keep our
1:17:26
inboxes open and converse more. I'm not going
1:17:30
to lie. I didn't expect that interview to go
1:17:31
as long as it did. And hopefully it was a very
1:17:34
smooth conversation for you guys because, you
1:17:36
know, such. importance in regards to gambling
1:17:40
I mean it makes or break people and you know
1:17:43
the hobby I mean a lot of people know it as gambling
1:17:45
these days people come into the shop all the
1:17:46
time nowadays and you know they even themselves
1:17:49
mention how it's just like gambling whether it's
1:17:50
buying a box or some cards so hopefully conversation
1:17:53
we had with Alyx Collectors MD was very insightful
1:17:56
was very informational for you maybe it kind
1:18:00
of sparked a little interest to do a little bit
1:18:01
of research yourself if you find yourself kind
1:18:04
of you know having too many of those itches and
1:18:06
needing too much dopamine or just chasing that
1:18:08
hit and not even having fun in this hobby but
1:18:10
this was an absolutely fantastic episode to make
1:18:12
with Ricky and Alyx and you know Alyx being our
1:18:15
first ever guest hopefully we can have some more
1:18:16
guests on here on hobby talk but this was absolutely
1:18:19
fun guys and i really hope you did enjoy drop
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1:18:28
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1:18:32
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1:18:34
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