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Bonus Episode: The Criminal Element, Awkward Garth, and Armchair Psychoanalysts · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: podcast Welcome to Disgraceland the after Party. Welcome all Access
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  Speaker 1: members to the Disgraceland Bonus episode, a little thing we
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  Speaker 1: like to call the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland
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  Speaker 1: Bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the
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  Speaker 1: after Party. This is the show after the show, the
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  Speaker 1: party after the party, the bridge to get you from
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  Speaker 1: one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard
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  Speaker 1: to dig into the dirt. On this episode, we are
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  Speaker 1: talking about our new story on Garth Brooks, the sources
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  Speaker 1: that we use for our Garth Brooks episode which helped
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  Speaker 1: us uncover this crazy theory about the connection between Garth's
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  Speaker 1: tour route and missing persons, and of course your voicemails, texts,
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  Speaker 1: dms and more, and as always, a whole lot of rosie.
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  Speaker 1: All right, this goes, let's get into it. Serial Killers,
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  Speaker 1: Ed Kemper, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Ed Geen, Richard Ramirez,
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  Speaker 1: Garth Brooks. You know by now, of course, that I
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  Speaker 1: am not serious. Garth Brooks is not a serial killer,
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  Speaker 1: but a large portion of the Internet is obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he could be a serial killer, which
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  Speaker 1: got me wondering about the public's ours. Really our obsession
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  Speaker 1: with true crime. True crime, of course, is a big
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  Speaker 1: part of what we do here. We have a broader definition,
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  Speaker 1: the most sure, but still the world's fascination with serial killers.
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  Speaker 1: In my own fascination with the criminal element, I've often
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  Speaker 1: wondered where this comes from, Where this fascination comes from.
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  Speaker 1: Why are we collectively obsessed with true crime serial killers
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  Speaker 1: in particular bad people now obviously speak for the world
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  Speaker 1: at large, but my thinking is that our collective obsession
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  Speaker 1: with serial killers is derived in part from the fact
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  Speaker 1: that these people, these murderers, they do the unthinkable, and
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  Speaker 1: their actions they force us to think about these heinous acts,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a visceral fear that goes along with putting
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  Speaker 1: yourself in the shoes of the victims who do come
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  Speaker 1: face to face with Garth Brooks excuse me, Ed Kemper
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  Speaker 1: and the like. But when it comes to my obsession
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  Speaker 1: with the criminal element at large, my fascination with the
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  Speaker 1: musicians and artists of the world whose transgressions aren't just
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  Speaker 1: minor sins but mortal sins, felonies, It's hard for me
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  Speaker 1: to come up with an answer as to why I've
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  Speaker 1: been so fascinated my whole life. Basically, since I started
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  Speaker 1: reading novels in the sixth grade or thereabouts, I gravitated
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  Speaker 1: towards crime. I still do, of course, It's hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to create anything that isn't related to crime in
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  Speaker 1: some way. Even when I was making music and punk bands,
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  Speaker 1: hardcore bands, and later a singer songwriter, I often wrote
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  Speaker 1: songs and the perspective of a criminal, and I obsessed
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  Speaker 1: over murder ballads and old weird Americana, all the bad
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  Speaker 1: bad men, all those stories that we covered in the
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  Speaker 1: pig Pen episode of Disgrace Land. Of course, like most
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  Speaker 1: of you, I'm nothing like these men. I live a
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  Speaker 1: fairly conventional life. I live on a fairly normal looking street.
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  Speaker 1: I wake up with similar hopes, dreams, aspirations and fears
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  Speaker 1: as you all do. So then why am I currently
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  Speaker 1: pouring myself into books about Boston's Chinatown drug dealers and
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  Speaker 1: early twentieth century American anarchists and the Coke Field eighty
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  Speaker 1: six mets instead of spending more time watching the Boston
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  Speaker 1: Bruins in the playoffs and getting excited about my summer
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  Speaker 1: break that's coming up. And I've been thinking about this
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  Speaker 1: all morning knowing that I'm coming into the booth to
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  Speaker 1: record this episode on the heels of this Garth Brooks
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  Speaker 1: serial killer nonsense. I've been thinking about why, why, this
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  Speaker 1: is why am I fascinated with crime, Truman Capote's In
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  Speaker 1: Cold Blood, Mario Puzo's The god Father, Everything by James Elroy. Why.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps it has something to do with the line, the
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  Speaker 1: line that Springsteen talks about on Nebraska quote, there's winners
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  Speaker 1: and losers and don't get caught on the wrong side
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  Speaker 1: of that line. Now, that lyric from that song Atlantic City,
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  Speaker 1: it always resonated with me. And I'm not from New
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  Speaker 1: Jersey or Philly. I knew no chicken men growing up,
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  Speaker 1: but there was a universal element in that lyric, the
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  Speaker 1: wrong side of that line. Like I said, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know any chicken men, but I knew plenty of guys
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  Speaker 1: who ended up on the wrong side of that line,
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  Speaker 1: and not just passing acquaintances, like the prison break party
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  Speaker 1: I found myself at in high school with recently escaped felons,
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  Speaker 1: where we watched news of their prison break on the
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  Speaker 1: eleven o'clock news. The story that I told when I
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  Speaker 1: went on my favorite murder. Now I didn't know those
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  Speaker 1: guys really, but I was in their orbit. Of course.
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  Speaker 1: The important part of what I'm trying to say, though,
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  Speaker 1: is that I did know other guys who knew them well,
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  Speaker 1: guys who crossed that line, and it was like, one
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  Speaker 1: minute they're part of our lives, smoking grass, listening to music,
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  Speaker 1: fucking off, and then they're robbing little old ladies coming
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  Speaker 1: out of ATMs and being sent away to conquered MCI.
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  Speaker 1: Crossing that line then and now it seems like a
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  Speaker 1: very easy distance to traverse, And I think that's why
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  Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated by it. That slip, that slip from
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  Speaker 1: a normal life to a criminal life. It is not
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  Speaker 1: that hard for some to make, especially if you grow
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  Speaker 1: up poor, you grow up desperate, or you just don't
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  Speaker 1: have options or imagination. I never lacked an imagination, and
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  Speaker 1: neither do the millions of Internet trolls out there who
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  Speaker 1: imagine Garth Brooks to be a serial killer. Is it
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  Speaker 1: so hard to imagine, really, especially, like I said, when
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  Speaker 1: that line is so easy to cross, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Which musicians other than Garth Brooks creep you out and
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  Speaker 1: make you question their motives? Which rock stars, which country stars,
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  Speaker 1: which hip hop stars any musicians at all? Which ones
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  Speaker 1: fit the serial killer profile for you? If Snoop Dogg
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  Speaker 1: a real life pimp, which he was, doesn't it stand
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  Speaker 1: a reason that eminem could be stacking bodies. Let's have
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  Speaker 1: some stupid fun and let me know which artist you'd
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  Speaker 1: be least surprised to find out was a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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  Speaker 1: Send me a text, leave me a voicemail. Six one
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  Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight. Let me
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  Speaker 1: know which musical artist you'd be least surprised to find
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  Speaker 1: out was a serial killer. I'm gonna take a quick
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  Speaker 1: break and I'll be back in a flash. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk for a minute about the sources that we
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  Speaker 1: used for this week's episode on Garth Brooks. First, when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the true story of Garth's unprecedented rise
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  Speaker 1: to fame. I mean, if you're not a Garth Brooks fan,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know much about him. Think he's one of
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  Speaker 1: these commercial country artists who got famous and you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of dominated the charts for a while. There's so
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  Speaker 1: much more to his rise to his fame, and most
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  Speaker 1: of what we got from a book called The Garth Factor,
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  Speaker 1: The Career behind Country's Biggest Boom by Patsy bail Cox.
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  Speaker 1: Patsy rest in Peace helped write the autobiographies of artists
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  Speaker 1: like Loretta Lynn, Tanya Tucker went on a Judd even
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  Speaker 1: pat Benattar and she worked for Nashville based publicity firm
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  Speaker 1: which handled pr for Capitol Records, where Garth was a
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  Speaker 1: major artist. But if you've heard the episode, you know
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  Speaker 1: that it's anything but a typical episode of Disgraceland. The inspiration,
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  Speaker 1: of course, being this incredible joke started by comedian Tom
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  Speaker 1: Segia and his wife Christina Christina Pazitski. If I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: that wrong incorrectly, I apologize Christina to joke about Garth
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  Speaker 1: being so weird and so awkward and so strange that
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  Speaker 1: he maybe, just maybe was a serial killer. It's a
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  Speaker 1: fucked up joke, I know, I get it, but it's hysterical.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredibly compelling. A serial killer who struck while he toured,
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  Speaker 1: evidenced by the number of people who went missing along
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  Speaker 1: garth seemingly eternal touring route. We fully committed to this
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  Speaker 1: joke by chasing down the data, and by that I
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  Speaker 1: mean we looked at Garth's tour dates year after year,
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  Speaker 1: painstakingly plotted each and every date against Missing Persons data
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  Speaker 1: in each city where he performed. And I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of data, dates upon dates upon dates, cities
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  Speaker 1: upon cities, year upon year. Most of the time this
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  Speaker 1: research led to nothing, but sometimes it gave us something,
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  Speaker 1: a nugget, a disappearance that he could easily tie to
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  Speaker 1: Garth Brooks being in town. And in doing this leg work,
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  Speaker 1: it helped us build this dramatic case that Tom Segura's
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  Speaker 1: joke had legs for real. And it does, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: the joke does, at least, but the actual insinuation that
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  Speaker 1: Garth is some kind of serial killer obviously is not true.
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  Speaker 1: All right, don't come at me. You know that you
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  Speaker 1: know I'm having fun here, and you know I understand
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  Speaker 1: this is not a novel idea. This is Tom Segura's idea. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We just we like to think that we took it
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else in the way we do things here. Disgrace him,
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  Speaker 1: all right. A major source of inspiration, uh in making
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  Speaker 1: this episode Michael Jackson's thriller video. Why do you know
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  Speaker 1: we didn't include this in our list of sources on
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  Speaker 1: the website because as I said, it's more a source
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  Speaker 1: of inspiration than anything else. But the thriller video was
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  Speaker 1: a major creative device for us and making this episode.
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  Speaker 1: And if you think you know what it is, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta let me know six one seven nine oh six
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  Speaker 1: six six three eight voicemail and text. That's how you
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  Speaker 1: get at me. Just like this person in the nine
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  Speaker 2: To oh gratings at this grace Land, this is ever
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  Speaker 2: more doll Low in the nine two oh re listening
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  Speaker 2: to Public Enemy requesting rage against the machine.
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  Speaker 1: All right, nine to two oh, thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, rage against the machine perhaps someday, someday. We
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  Speaker 1: just did Public Enemy though, So it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a minute, but I dig it. All let's check in
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  Speaker 1: with the five o eight here, answering the question we
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  Speaker 1: had from last weeks after party, who the greatest folk singers,
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  Speaker 1: folk musicians, folks songwriters, folk artists were and I and
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  Speaker 1: I was talking about beyond just the genre, uh like
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  Speaker 1: a you know, a guy with an acoustic guitar to
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  Speaker 1: coffee house or playing Newport or something like that. And
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  Speaker 1: I guess that last voicemail kind of hit on that
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  Speaker 1: too with the rage against the machine requests. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about, artists that represent what's going on, uh
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  Speaker 1: in their time and place. Let's check this one out
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  Speaker 1: from the five O eight.
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  Speaker 3: Jict Mike from the five oweight. I was just calling
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  Speaker 3: in my verse to your question about who is the
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  Speaker 3: greatest folk artist or singer, and I would say I
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  Speaker 3: actually would go with the Oaks. First of all, Obviously
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  Speaker 3: he was folks sing are in the sense of the genre,
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  Speaker 3: but much unlike the you know, kind of watered down
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  Speaker 3: folk of like his contemporaries like Ian and Celia or
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  Speaker 3: like Gordon Bifer whoever, or Eric Anderson. You know, he
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  Speaker 3: was really topical every single song. I guess you would say,
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  Speaker 3: first and foremost who was a Vietnam protester? But he's
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  Speaker 3: talking about everything if you want to look up more
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  Speaker 3: about I mean, in addition to listening to his album's,
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  Speaker 3: there's this great book I forget what's by, but it's
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  Speaker 3: called Death of a Rebel. It's worth checking out anyway
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  Speaker 3: of the show. Okay, rocker roll.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks by Yeah, Mike, I hear you. And that's uh.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta admit, though I don't know a lot about
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  Speaker 1: phil Oaks, and now I'm interested, so I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: check that out. I appreciate the call, and I'm hoping
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  Speaker 1: to get into some some heavy folk with phil Oaks.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what we got here this one. Let's do
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  Speaker 1: one more from the four.
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  Speaker 2: One two yo brother, it's aid Dan Electro. Anyway, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna get back to work a poculator.
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  Speaker 1: Four one two. I played that voicemail because it's uh
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  Speaker 1: fucking ridiculous. I have no idea what you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: four one two. I don't know who you are. Are
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  Speaker 1: you a friend of mine that I just don't recognize
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  Speaker 1: your voice? And uh, the answer to a question that
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  Speaker 1: I cannot recall seems to be Dan Electro, which is
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  Speaker 1: a guitar of course. But you know, call back four
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  Speaker 1: one two and let me know what the hell it
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  Speaker 1: is you're talking about. Six one seven nine oh six
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  Speaker 1: six six three eight hit me up voicemail and text.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do a couple of texts here as well. While
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  Speaker 1: I got you three to one oh rights and how
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  Speaker 1: about Iced Teas band body Count? They deserve a shout
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  Speaker 1: in any discussion about rap metal between Slayer Public Enemy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh I think he means anthrax in public Enemy. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what, you're right? Three one Oh. I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna talk about body count, but I just there's
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  Speaker 1: only so much you could talk about in that blurb,
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  Speaker 1: all right? Seven to seven five rights, and hey Jake.
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  Speaker 1: On the folk artist front, the gen X folk artist
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  Speaker 1: is Todd Snyder. This one is actual folk music proper.
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  Speaker 1: But he's on point and truly funny. He offers that
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  Speaker 1: spoonful of sugar for the medicine he's edition out. Check
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  Speaker 1: him out if you haven't. Good place to start is
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  Speaker 1: his live album Near Truth and Hotel Rooms. But check
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  Speaker 1: out songs for the Daily Planet for a dose of
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  Speaker 1: early nineties what's going on vibes. Uh. You know, I've
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure have seen Todd Snyder before, perhaps played
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  Speaker 1: with him in a galaxy far far away, however, you say,
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  Speaker 1: And I but still I don't know his music that well.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I was just reading about how Todd
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  Speaker 1: Snyder was super critical of Garth Brooks, so that kind
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  Speaker 1: of ties it all together here six one seven nine
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  Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight voicemail and text hit
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  Speaker 1: me up. Let me know. Answer to my question from
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the a Bloc, which musician gives you the
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  Speaker 1: most serial killer vibes? Or you can just hit me
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  Speaker 1: whatever you guys want to do. I love the dog picks.
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  Speaker 1: Keep them coming. I'm gonna take a quick break. All right,
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  Speaker 1: me reading you the city directory from Tulsa, Oklahoma in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty two. Brooking Gus three one two South Denver Avenue,
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  Speaker 1: Brookings Burt, Vice President Gibralt To Oil Company one four
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  Speaker 1: one four South Carson Avenue, Brooklyn Hotel one O six
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  Speaker 1: and a half South Boston Avenue, Brooklyn Oil and Gas
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  Speaker 1: Company C. G. Taylor President, L. E. Little, Vice President
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  Speaker 1: and Secretary L. E. Taylor three one nine Robinson Building,
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  Speaker 1: Brooks Adele Jefferson School Rooms one two one one East
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  Speaker 1: Fifth Place, Supply Brooks ALEX, Williams and Harvey five eleven
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  Speaker 1: Csomber Gas office in warehouse two to one US First
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  Speaker 1: one Secretary of three Supply Company, South Springs, Tonal's stout,
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  Speaker 1: Quit talking and start mixing.
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