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JFK ASSASSINATION - EP. 398 - OH... OH... ODIO! · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: What what what.
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  Speaker 2: We bent of any sage's juice? Get up the true
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  Speaker 2: down a rail from the juice a mot David very
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  Speaker 2: room being. The food is in the pure whennessy, it's rain,
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  Speaker 2: nice sill the lights.
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  Speaker 1: The results never been a basting you. And and here
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  Speaker 1: we go.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, Joe, here we go. It's Friday night. How
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  Speaker 3: you doing, my friend?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing okay? How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: Fan fantastic? We have got a pack dass show for
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  Speaker 3: you people here tonight, episode of three eight oh audio
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  Speaker 3: that's a play on Sue Sue studio. GY's like, what
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  Speaker 3: the fuck are you talking about? Uh? Yeah, to be expected,
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  Speaker 3: bja before Joe. Anyway, welcome to this KAFUSERI in and
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  Speaker 3: let's get this show on the roads. There sure.
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  Speaker 2: South to West? Another gold Oh Sylvia. Yeah, she was
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  Speaker 2: a baddie. I think that's what the kids call them
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  Speaker 2: these days. She was a bad mister Jack Taylor. What's up,
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  Speaker 2: buddy with the silver and Alpha sixty six? Our friend Mike,
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  Speaker 2: Big Mike with the bronze, just got my new apartment
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  Speaker 2: last Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: Good for use, sir, congratulate hold on oh wrong one
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  Speaker 3: congratulations life You mean you know David David Ferry in peace.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And are Robin Joe high Tiny going to confess
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  Speaker 2: their decision to retire from the world of podcasts to
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  Speaker 2: enroll in this seminary? Well no, but is is it
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  Speaker 2: forbidden to podcast if you're a priest?
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  Speaker 3: No? But I was going to title this show though
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  Speaker 3: the Glory Whole Confessional? But I but your.
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  Speaker 2: Cover art was definitely great there with you and me
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  Speaker 2: with the little priest things. And of course I am
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  Speaker 2: Saint Josephusa.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, and I am here to take your confession
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  Speaker 3: at all times of the day and night.
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  Speaker 2: We can't do it on the pod maybe members only,
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  Speaker 2: Claude and at your deine? What up? Let's see we
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  Speaker 2: had jess canal Conall I always say that wrong in
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  Speaker 2: the comments section a couple hours ago when we will
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  Speaker 2: be getting into another Uh, we may.
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  Speaker 3: Have found a distant relative, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Justice of missus Lucille Con.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I have to say, is in Jessics family tree. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that would be interesting, that would be cool.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Trey, what up? Buddy? How do Derek Schweinderman and
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  Speaker 2: what up? What tubes? Evening morning? Evening morning to use her?
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  Speaker 3: Sally? How are you, Sally, What up?
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  Speaker 2: What up?
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  Speaker 3: Symbol? What's yeah my favorite let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get into a little of the mind
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  Speaker 2: control stuff which has to do with r f K,
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  Speaker 2: because I believe it is the anniversary tomorrow of his assassination, right.
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  Speaker 3: Rob Yes, I was joking with Derek earlier. He was
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  Speaker 3: asking me about I said, we're gonna mention RFK. I said,
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  Speaker 3: not unless he bangs still theodio too. It was a joke. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we will mention Roger.
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  Speaker 2: What up, buddy? How are you? We were jamming out
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  Speaker 2: to your intro in the beginning, mister James Smith, how
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  Speaker 2: are you, sir? And Mike the library man, what up?
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  Speaker 2: What up? Evening? Good evening to all in all, a
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  Speaker 2: good evening.
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  Speaker 3: And to all good evening, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, mister Paul and what up?
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  Speaker 3: What up?
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  Speaker 2: Not to be confused with PAULA.
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  Speaker 3: Jane, That is true.
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  Speaker 2: Bobby thunder Knots is in the house too. Hey, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm wondering do you went Sally stream together or separately?
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  Speaker 3: I would say, different rooms of the house, same house?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what listen? Uh, mister Scott Edwards, what up, Bud?
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  Speaker 2: How are you? Uh? You look at you.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the LA.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening to you, sir, And yeah, I think that
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  Speaker 2: is it as of now. And uh yeah, why don't
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  Speaker 2: you set the tables?
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  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, hold on, Mike, says Rob. Why are
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  Speaker 3: you always reading the classified ads on the cover art?
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  Speaker 3: Hold on, let me look again. Oh those are classified files.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, not classified ads. Classified ads. It's crazy. Oh
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  Speaker 3: for all your needs, But no on a more serious
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  Speaker 3: tip here, Yes, it is the fatigue eighth anniversary of
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  Speaker 3: the Bobby kim As Fascination this weekend tomorrow, in fact,
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  Speaker 3: and I gave Joe an assignment. Recently, I watched a
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  Speaker 3: television program on the television on I think it's on
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  Speaker 3: Discovery Channel, but I watched it on HBO Max. And
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  Speaker 3: of course it's a show done by very suspect CI,
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  Speaker 3: a former CIA operator. Yes not Kuriaku, but Andrew Bustamante,
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  Speaker 3: who I'm coming around on. But I do realize there's
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  Speaker 3: still problems with him. But the first episode of his show,
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  Speaker 3: his new show, it's called Conspiracies and cover Ups, and
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  Speaker 3: the first episode examines whether or not that you can
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  Speaker 3: that won somebody, in this case, a very world renowned
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  Speaker 3: hypnotist could create a mind control assassin. So they go
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  Speaker 3: through the various steps of setting this up, and the
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  Speaker 3: first one is they put on a free show and
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  Speaker 3: invite you know, like fifty people from the public come
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  Speaker 3: and they sit in the show, and he goes through
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  Speaker 3: it basically like you know, one of those hypnosis shows
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  Speaker 3: where you know, people come up on stage and they
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  Speaker 3: act like a chicken or whatever, you know, whatever dumb
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  Speaker 3: shit they got going on there. But the whole point
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  Speaker 3: of this is to find someone who is highly suggestible, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because hypnosis doesn't work on everybody for whatever reason, and
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  Speaker 3: some people are more susceptible to hypnosis than others. So
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  Speaker 3: through this series of these of these shows, they whittle
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  Speaker 3: it down to this one guy, and he's a young
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  Speaker 3: black dude with dreads, very intelligent, very nice, very soft
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  Speaker 3: spoken dude. And once they find that he's the guy,
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  Speaker 3: they then go ahead and set up the experiment and
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  Speaker 3: they basically rent out this coffee shop for the evening
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  Speaker 3: and they invite back some of the other people who
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  Speaker 3: had been at the previous show and him in particular,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody in the coffee shop is in on the trick,
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  Speaker 3: if you will, except for this guy. And he basically
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  Speaker 3: has what twenty or thirty minutes to work with this
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  Speaker 3: guy Joe before, Yeah, before they go in to do it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, trying to pull this thing off. And the
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  Speaker 3: thing that they're trying to convince this guy to do
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  Speaker 3: is to poison Andrew Boustamante's water. Okay, so while he's
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  Speaker 3: under while he's suggestible, while he's under hypnosis. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's programming him for like twenty or thirty minutes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to tell him you're gonna do this, and
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  Speaker 3: he gives him a vial of poison, if you will,
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  Speaker 3: and he puts it in his pocket, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: he tells him, you know, when you hear this sound
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, you're gonna get up. You're gonna go. You're
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  Speaker 3: gonna walk over there. You're gonna pour this in his coffee,
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  Speaker 3: and then you're gonna come back to your table and you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna sit here like like nothing happened. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're not gonna remember doing it. You're not gonna remember
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  Speaker 3: anything from this point to this point. Blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 3: blah blah blah. So they go through all the steps
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  Speaker 3: of setting this whole thing up, and then it's time
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  Speaker 3: to do it right. So you see Andrew Boustamante, he
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  Speaker 3: gets thee from his table and he walks over to
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  Speaker 3: order a coffee, and he leaves the water glass on
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  Speaker 3: the table that he got up from. And then there's
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  Speaker 3: a noise, right, and that's his cue. So this guy
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  Speaker 3: gets up, He walks over to the table, pulls out
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  Speaker 3: this little vial of stuff and pours it in. Andrew
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  Speaker 3: boosts him on his water, puts the cat back on,
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  Speaker 3: puts it back in his pocket, goes back and sit
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  Speaker 3: down at the desk. And then Andrew comes back with
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  Speaker 3: his coffee and he sets it down and he takes
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  Speaker 3: a sip of water, and then he goes through this
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  Speaker 3: whole thing like he's like he's dying, right, and he
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  Speaker 3: falls out on the floor and like everybody's there's panicking,
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  Speaker 3: like call nine one one, you know, and he's like
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  Speaker 3: fishing out on the floor and everything watching all this
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  Speaker 3: like what the f is going on? Right?
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  Speaker 2: I love that term fishing out?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And uh so you know, all this craziness is
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  Speaker 3: going on, and the hypnosis comes over and he like
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  Speaker 3: puts him under again, and you know, they get Andrew up,
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  Speaker 3: and they get everybody else out of there and they
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  Speaker 3: bring him back to reality and then they start to
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  Speaker 3: tell him, you know, they ask him, you know, do
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  Speaker 3: you remember, you know, doing anything. He's like, no, I
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  Speaker 3: just looked up and this guy's you know, dying or
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, And they're telling him, look, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we hypnotized you. And they tell him what they did,
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, I don't remember any of that. So
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  Speaker 3: they bring him in the back and they showed him
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  Speaker 3: the video footage of him doing it, and he's watching himself,
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  Speaker 3: going like, you know, obviously I see that to me,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't remember doing any of this. So imagine
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  Speaker 3: if they can can if they can condition someone in
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  Speaker 3: twenty or thirty minutes. Now I understand there's various steps
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  Speaker 3: to find a susceptible person, but if that person could
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  Speaker 3: be programmed in twenty or thirty minutes to murder somebody
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  Speaker 3: and not remember anything about it, imagine what you could
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  Speaker 3: do programming someone over the course of days and months
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  Speaker 3: leading up to an event. Much like steer Hand. Seer
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  Speaker 3: Hand I believe was hypnotized to do what he did.
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  Speaker 3: There basically create, you know, be there, be at this
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  Speaker 3: placed at a certain time, you know, and on these
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  Speaker 3: various cues, do certain things, you know, pull this gun out,
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  Speaker 3: start firing, blah blah blah blah blah, basically creating a
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  Speaker 3: diversion for the real murderer to be behind and to
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  Speaker 3: the right of Bobby Kennedy. Hello, Dane, Eugene Caesar and
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  Speaker 3: then you know, he's the one that arrested for the
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  Speaker 3: crime and it doesn't remember a thing about it. And
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  Speaker 3: he's still sitting in jail fifty eight years later.
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  Speaker 2: And still says that he has no memory of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So what do you think, Joe, after watching that show?
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  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts about it? And what do you
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  Speaker 3: think is possible now you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think the I thought it was very
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  Speaker 2: interesting and fascinating. I think their methods are probably improved
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  Speaker 2: multiple fold by then.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like I said, the more time you have
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  Speaker 3: with somebody, like if they're coming to see, like they're
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  Speaker 3: psychiatrist or whatever, and you have them for an hour,
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  Speaker 3: you know at a time, maybe once or twice a week,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to plant those seeds and to sew, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to sew there's you know, to work the methods, work
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  Speaker 3: it through and really ingrain it in this person's head,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and really be able to work with them,
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  Speaker 3: Like it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's very possible. And then you look at
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  Speaker 2: someone like sar Anne, who I believe suffered ahead or
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  Speaker 2: brain injury while falling off a horse. Right, maybe he
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  Speaker 2: was the perfect type of candidate for that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they probably didn't have to do a focus group like
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  Speaker 2: as portrayed in the episode type of thing.
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  Speaker 3: You talk to a psychiatrist and you kind of lay
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  Speaker 3: it out an mk ultra psychiatrist and kind of lay
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  Speaker 3: it out like, you know, we're looking for a really someone,
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  Speaker 3: someone that's that's very susceptible, somebody that's very naive.
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  Speaker 2: You know, certain certain attributes, right, right.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe a foreigner maybe that was one of them too,
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  Speaker 3: you know, somebody that's really maybe a little schizophrenic, you know,
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  Speaker 3: who knows what the criteria would.
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  Speaker 2: Be, but right, I think it would definitely be possible.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you consider, you know, the advancement in
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  Speaker 2: prescription drugs these days probably make even more possible.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but again not needed really, right, but.
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  Speaker 2: It could it could advance maybe the process or the
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  Speaker 2: psychosis or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it might make somebody more susceptible, right, if they're
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  Speaker 3: already susceptible.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, So you already have someone that's susceptible, and then
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  Speaker 2: you kind of increase increase it a little bit, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I think they opened up with Thomas Crooks.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, they were trying to think, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: were contemplating that theory that Crooks had been programmed, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to be there as a distraction, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, you know, of course not much has
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  Speaker 2: been released on him, and he was at the gun
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  Speaker 2: range where a lot of federales were I'm just using
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  Speaker 2: that term.
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  Speaker 3: What you're saying, like a year before this all went
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  Speaker 3: down with Trump and him, that he kind of mentally changed.
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  Speaker 3: He kind of you know, withdrew from friends and family
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  Speaker 3: and got weird on social media and did at one
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  Speaker 3: eighty in his politics and things like that, and right,
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  Speaker 3: theology changed and yeah, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, we don't know much about him, and we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to go into a big kind of dietrate about him.
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  Speaker 2: But you could see how certain loaners and certain people
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  Speaker 2: could be susceptible to this. And I'm not sure exactly
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  Speaker 2: who was. There are different differentiating accounts of his social
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  Speaker 2: media presence. They said that he didn't have any than
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  Speaker 2: edgedly he did and whatever, whatever, But I think it's
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  Speaker 2: I think they've probably really perfected the method of doing
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  Speaker 2: that at this point, like much more than sir him,
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  Speaker 2: because you think, what sixty years ago fifty eight.
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  Speaker 3: People hear that theory and it's like, yeah, okay, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: he tied him to do all this, you know whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But if you really look at it, man, it's possible.
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  Speaker 3: It is certainly possible. And like, could you imagine if
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  Speaker 3: something like that ever happened to you and you did
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  Speaker 3: something and you legitimately don't remember doing it, it's you're
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  Speaker 3: on video doing it, Like yes, rude, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think I'd be a good suspect, actually candidate for that
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  Speaker 2: type of Yeah. Sure, but yeah, no, it's it's crazy
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  Speaker 2: to consider. And how we're gonna weave back into all
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  Speaker 2: this is a certain psychiatrist that was involved with Sylvia
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  Speaker 2: Audio that might have been doing some of the same stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And Sylvia Audio did have some psychological issues, you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's face it, she allegedly blacked out on the twenty
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  Speaker 2: second after seeing Oswalt on TV and blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, and how did we get here, Well, how
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  Speaker 3: did we get here.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: You know, often things oftentimes when it comes to this case,
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  Speaker 3: I always wanted myself with these things that are ingrained
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  Speaker 3: so deeply into the mythology of the Kennedy assassination, such
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  Speaker 3: as the Odio incident, a lot of people taking a
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  Speaker 3: face value that this is something that really happened. But
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  Speaker 3: what if it wasn't. What if this was some twisted
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  Speaker 3: fragment of Sylvia's imagination. And that's not too far off
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  Speaker 3: the beaten path once you see what we have found
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  Speaker 3: out about Sylvia Odio, and everything's just not cut and
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  Speaker 3: dry with this whole thing in her. And there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of scfusory going on here. People around Silviodio a
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  Speaker 3: lot a lot.
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  Speaker 2: She's a rich girl. She has contacts and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people including you know, Johnny Martin and you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, even people like Augustine Guitar. Like, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of for some reason, and I'm not exactly sure,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of focus on her and a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of her sister as well, Sorita.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, this this is the book that I did
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  Speaker 3: the book review on this week, Kennedy Nipples. Nipples a
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  Speaker 3: true love story right by Marianne Sullivan. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: you read a book like this and it's like, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's spicy, bro It's spicy. And Father mccainn was a
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  Speaker 3: poonhound for whatever reason. And in nineteen sixty two, Father
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  Speaker 3: McCann was working with the Cuban Catholic Committees. Yeah, another
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  Speaker 3: one of those part of the Catholic Relief services that
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  Speaker 3: had a fund for Cubans in Dallas to furnish him
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  Speaker 3: within relief, help with money, job finding jobs, and basically
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  Speaker 3: helping them resettle into Dallas Cuban exiles. But it was
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  Speaker 3: a Cuban Catholic charity committee that I think at some
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  Speaker 3: point Kennedy had even set this thing up to help.
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  Speaker 2: Of course Kennedy the first Catholic person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So Father McCann was a very handsome man. Apparently,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen a couple photos of him here and there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember if there's one in this book,
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  Speaker 3: because I mean, this this dude did it for mary Anne.
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  Speaker 3: I mean she took one look at this guy and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you got really moist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And apparently there was some kind of rivalry between
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  Speaker 2: Mary Anne and Sylvia Odio and.
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  Speaker 3: This is father McCann.
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  Speaker 2: Good, thank you for finding that. And you know what, Rob.
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  Speaker 2: One thing that Mary Anne, okay, she definitely has that
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  Speaker 2: sixty hair du And one thing Rob that I always
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  Speaker 2: assumed that is obviously wrong that I learned about for
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  Speaker 2: prepping for this week is I always thought father McCann
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  Speaker 2: was old, because how do you get that name with
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  Speaker 2: the I mean, I get it, you're a priest.
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  Speaker 3: But he was twenty six, twenty six exactly. He had urges.
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  Speaker 2: I did not realize that. And that makes him being
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  Speaker 2: kind of a coon hound or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You want to call it, a poon hound not a
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  Speaker 3: coon hound, poon downd poon hound.
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  Speaker 2: Uh makes it a little more understandable to me. But
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  Speaker 2: I did not realize that. I thought he was always
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  Speaker 2: like a forty fifty year old type of guy. No,
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  Speaker 2: not at all.
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  Speaker 3: No young buck. And so you have Silviodio coming to Dallas,
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  Speaker 3: I believe somewhere in the spring of sixty three, and
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  Speaker 3: this is approximately it's about the same time that he
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  Speaker 3: met this Marianne Sullivan chick, that he met Silvia and
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  Speaker 3: they both took a liking to mister McCann. Father McCann
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  Speaker 3: there right, and as you mentioned, Joe Marianne was very
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: jealous of father McCann paying any attention to Silviodio. M hm.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: But we'll get there, I promise. So let's let's uh
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: set the table here, Joe with with some of the
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, we all know the whole backstory with the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: audio incident where she claimed after the assassination, the three
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: men came to visit her apartment in Dallas and one
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: of them claimed to be Leon Or She was told
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: that his name was Leon Oswald and then he was
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: crazy enough to kill Kennedy. And these two Mexicans or
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: greasy looking Latinos were named Angelo and Lee Poldo. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: again it was assumed or suspected by these three people
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: could have been Lauren Hall, Laurence Toward, and William Seymour.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Lauren Hall admitted to it at first and realized he
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: was mistaken that he had they hadn't actually went there
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: and backtracked, and we'll tell you where he did go
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: as the show goes on. And you know Howard never
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: admitted to a meeting odeo, and neither did neither did Seymour.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: So despite what Corey Hughes has to say, that this
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: case was sald fifty years ago. And uh you know, uh,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: if you take the time to actually look at documents
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and do a little research, Corey, you'll see that not
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: necessarily the case, bro, it was all fifty years ago.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: But you can still believe in your fairy tales. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: you know sixty year old evidence has been debunked over time.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: But that is why this show is not called bloody history.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: So Joe, get it started here, buddy.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: All right, put it up, sir, put it up, Get
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: it up. Mike mccannon did.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Oh you mean the screen? Correct? Okay, all right, sorry,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: it's getting ready to scare women. Really gonna get ben
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: No for me too, Okay, you're up.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And this is a secret service document to mister
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Lee Rankin in May I'm sorry, of nineteen sixty four
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Commission Exhibit number two nine four three and it is
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: small here. I'm going to read it on my other
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: laptop just to make it easier for me, dear mister Rankin.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Reference is made to your letter of April twenty second,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: sixty four. Reverend Walter J. McCann was interviewed April thirtieth,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four by Inspector Kelly of the Secret Service.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: He is a twenty six year old priest present presently
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: attending Loyola University in New Orleans and is a lifelong
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: resident of Dallas, Texas.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Let me stop you right there real quick. So immediately
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: after the assassination, within a week, father McCann moved to
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: New Orleans, of all places, who attend Loyola University, well,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: where he will befriend Sylvia Odio's uncle, a guy by
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the name of Augustin Guittart who attended the court date
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: when Oswald was there for the fracas.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, right, yes, yes, which is very sus We've heard
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: David Boylan talk about Augustine Greetart. He's definitely someone that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: is in his interest and definitely someone who's sus for sure,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Sylvia Audio's uncle.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Correct, he's portrayed as as an older gentleman who is
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: a college professor, well educated. But again, we know that
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of dudes that were attending that court date
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: with Oswald were had some some CI ties in some way. Yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: why should in Augustine Guitard, right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think any of them didn't have either FBI
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: or CIA ties in terms of being an informant or
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: even agents in some certain stances. So yeah, that's a problem,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: as we like to say here.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he spent a number of summer vacations in Mexico
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: and has a fair command of the Spanish language and
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: has acted as the chaplain of the Catholic Cuban Catholic
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Committee of Dallas since nineteen sixty one.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: The Committee, Yeah, real quick, if you're checking off suspicious
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: boxes at home, there's another one vacation in Mexico.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. If you're following along at home, your boxes
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: are filled pun intended. The Committee contract contacted employees and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: attempt to find places for Cubans to work. Like you mentioned,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it organized religious and social functions in order to make
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Dallas a friendly place for the Cubans who were sent there.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty one, the organization had no funds and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: solicited funds among the people of Dallas. In March sixty two,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the Cuban Catholic Committees held a meeting in Miami, which
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Father McCann attended. At that time, the Catholic Relief cert.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: You can check off, folks.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, jam. At that time, the Catholic Relief Service
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: set up a revolving fund for the Cubans in Dallas
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: to furnish them relief until jobs could be found for them.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: A resettlement office was open to Dallas, and Father McCann
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: was given the responsibility for the conduct of the office.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: So he's kind of dishing out.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Funds, right, Yeah, he's helping. Yeah, he's distributing funds.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I on a skip of sentence. Father McCann
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: stated that he never attended any of the political meetings
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: of the Cuban groups that were represented by the Cubans
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: in Dallas, although he often cajoled and entreated to attend them.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: So he said he wasn't political, but he did attend them.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Is that what that says?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's pretty much full of shit, got it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: He felt that it was a better policy for him
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: to remain aloof from the differences of opinion that heard
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: among the various Cuban groups represented by the Cuban population.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Basically, he wanted to pretend like he was a fence
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: sitter like Joe and agree with both guys of the
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: aisle appear in bad favor with one of the other.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, I am, I am defencer. Father McCann stated that
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: during his work with the committee, he came to.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Know Missus Caneal, Missus jess Canell.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: But if you do have any relation, let us know
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: who was interested in assisting in the work of the committee,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and who was especially interested in the welfare of Missus
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Sylvia Odio in view of mister Missus Odio's mental condition.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Now me, let me let me stop you again. Please,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: do you know when you when you're talking about this
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: type of person who takes an interested in someone else
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: heavily when there's no really real reason to, you're often
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: reminded of people like Reith Payne right or some other
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: various type of babysitter. If you will right, well check
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: that box. Missus Lucille Colonel Yes.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: We will get into one of her interviews, I believe
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: in the next few slides after we get through this.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: He acknowledges knowing a few Scafusa's hesker isquaderdo which I
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: know Boylan has mentioned all of whom he met during
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: his work with the Cuban Catholic Committee. He also acknowledges
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: knowing Colonel and Missus Castor. He said, Colonel Castor is
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: a retired retired Army colonel.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's check another box there, Joe. When we're talking
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: about retired Army colonels in generals and being around this
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: whole Cuban exiles Kennedy assassination thing, there's another box you
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: can check.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: M hm uh. Missus Castor seemed generally interested in the
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: plight of the Cubange refugees, but that he always felt
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: that Colonel Caster was quote playing the role of an
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: intelligence officer end quote in his contacts with the Cubans.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: How many boxes is anyone checking their boxes at home?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Do we know how many boxes?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: We have a running tab over here the boxes, efecked, Uh,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: not none yet.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: That he seems to be more interested in their political
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: beliefs than their economic plight or their social programs in
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: the new country. Now we are going to get to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: a Jay Martin rob we have covered before, although granted
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: it was almost three years ago. He stated that he
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: was introduced to John also known as Juan or Johnny
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Martin uh, whom he described as a Latin but not
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: a Cuban I believe, alleged to be.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: From Uruguay right Gwyan Gayan.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: He stated that mister Martin came to Missus Sylvia Odio's
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: apartment one evening while he was there.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: So now this is father McCann saying all this.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So father McCann was there and he says Martin came
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to visit missus Sylvia Odio.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't stay long. Maybe Father McCann was taking
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: a little confession from Silviodio that night.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: He didn't mister Martin did not stay the very long
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: after he left, missus Odio staying that mister Martin represented
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: a Cuban group or was doing a job for a
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Cuban group in Dallas. And I believe rob he owned
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: a laundry Mattia. Yeah, yes, allegedly, Father McCann was under Okay,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I was under the impression that Martin had an apartment
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: or a house in Dallas, but that he did not
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: live in Dallas. And a family in some other city
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: say that this was only contact with Martin, but that
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Martin was apparently well known to missus Odio. So again
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: you have a lot of people hovering around the odios
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and the audio sisters.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And again, if you're playing at home, here is contact
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: with a not just any Jay Martin, but a John
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Johnny Juan Martin. So you can check those four boxes
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: off of the list as well.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Bingo. Father McCanns said that while he was interested in
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the Cuban groups in Dallas, he was contacted about four
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: or five times by the Wallace Height of the Dallas
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Of course, Heypman
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: is a name that comes up a lot in a
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: lot of the post documents on the FBI right walls.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not so sure about, but I believe I recognized
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: his name as well. He first made a contact with
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Heypeman when it came to his attention that one of
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: these Cuban refugees was extorting money from some other Cubans,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: was making false promises to the Cubans, was a destructive
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: influence in the Cuban community, and was considered by Father
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: McCann to be a quote political Cuban end quote, rather
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: than a Cuban that was interested in receiving any assistance
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: from the committee. This would be the Cuban Catholic Committee. Right.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: So again, when we talk about all these Cuban groups
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: kind of having these little rivalries, right, which we've talkedalked
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: about a lot this past year, this kind of lines
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: up with that right round. Yep, he couldnt recall the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: name of this cuban, but he leaves the cuban and
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: is still employed at Parkland Hospital.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Copy right there, real quick stop me, Okay, Parkland Hospital,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: check that box.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: But also there is a check after Parkland. Ironically, there's
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of checks on these.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: So approximately six weeks before the assassination, approximately the same
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: time that Lee Harvey Oswald got his job at the
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: school Bok depository, around the middle of October, father mcann
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: disappears mysteriously and nobody knows where he is or what
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: he's doing or anything. He shows up at Parkland Hospital
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: a week well, I don't know how long he was there,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: but he it's I guess. They call his mother and
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: tell him, tell her finally, Hey, look, we have your
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: son here in the psych ward at Parkland Hospital, babbling incoherently, disheveled,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: possibly experiencing a mental breakdown, possibly on drugs, whatever the
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: case is. We don't know exactly, but that he was
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: released from Parkland Hospital to the care of his mother
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: a week before the assassination. And then remember, shortly after
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the assassination, he decides to just move to New Orleans
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: and start going to Loyola University, which is weird.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what you usually do when you leave
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: a psych word, right, you go to.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: University, right and decide, you know, suddenly leave the priesthood
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: and decided to become a university student. Yeah. Think that
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: what it's worth.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have you know Heypeman had with him
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: were drop in visits. When Heypman was in the vicinity
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: of the Lakewood Building in Dallas. Hypeman would stop and
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: ask whether he knew of the existence of a certain
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Cuban group, Cuban or Cuban group. He always cooperated to
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: the best of his ability with the FBI agents.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: And this is FBI in formant Father McCann, FBI and
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: former check that box off.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, And ironically there is a check through FBI agents
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: in this document. Uh Man. When asked concerning as knowledge
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: of the Juray Group check among the Cubans, he stated
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: he knew very little about the various Cuban groups such
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: as Juray, the Student Revolutionary Directative CRC, or the Segundo
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Fronte del Eskamba.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: You'll need to read all his horseshit. Joe just kind
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: of skipped through and hit the high points.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Okay. He denied knowing anything about Lee Harvey Oswalt prior
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to November twenty second. He stated that sometime in December
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: sixty three, Sylvia Odio informed him that a group of
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Cubans had brought to her apartment. That a group of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Cubans had brought Oswalt to her apartment. She told him
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: she discussed this matter fully with FBI agents early in December,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: subsequent to his living in New Orleans, of the Audio
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: had written a letter to him, which again which she
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: again stated that she had discussed her meeting of Oswalt
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: with government officials. Father McCann was not certain whether she
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: meant she had another discussion with the FBI or whether
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: she had talked to someone else about the subject. Father
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: McCann felt that Sylvie Odio's aggravated mental condition since November
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: twenty two was caused by her concern that the Cuban
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: community might become involved in some way with the assassination
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: in view of their association with Oswald. Shortly before the assassination.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Now that's an interesting last part of the sentence there.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, she fainted, she had been talking to her
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: uncle possibly.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she fainted at her employment when she learned of
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the assassination of President Kennedy and the arrest of Oswald. However,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: he stated McCann that she is inclined to be highly dramatic,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and she may be building up her belief in an
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: association with Oswald out of all proportion to what it was,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: if in fact there was any.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And this is a very important observation by father McCann.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: He's basically saying that he doesn't believe her when it
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: comes to Oswald visiting the apartment.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: But right, and of course, the issue with Oswald visiting
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the apartment was he was supposed to be in Mexico City.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: It caused a bunch of problems for the Work Commission.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: We all know this. But let me ask you this, Rob,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: do you think father McCann.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Would have.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Kind of been on the side of the exiles, even
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: though he claims not to be political whatever, and maybe
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: tried to get them out of the way in a.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Sense, well, just to briefly divert from the document there
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: while we pontificate here. I don't know what to make
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: a father McCann. I mean, to me, he's got all
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the earmarks of some kind of intelligence guy posing as
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: a Catholic priest. Now he might have legitimately been a
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Catholic priest, but not like David Ferry's made up religion
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Catholic priests. Like he might have been legit but considering
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: his actions and his propensity for young Latina women, if
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: you will, and the various places that he pops up
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and the things that happened to him, screamed to me
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: that he's some kind of intelligence asset.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I would agree.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Being moved around he we just read he's an FBI
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: in formant.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he didn't say it, but they pretty much
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: said it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, thinks about it for a second. He's in
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: the perfect position to know a lot about the Cuban
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: exile community. He's basically rehousing them, resettling them. He knows
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: where they live, he knows where they meet, He's been
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: to the meetings, he knows what they talk about. He
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: probably knows the suss ones. I mean, he's a priest,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: so he's taken confessions from him. I mean, he he
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: knows all kinds of shit about him. You know what
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: better what but who better to use as an asset
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: for intelligence than this guy? Right? Right?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: And I believe Rob he was at a couple of
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: meetings at the Harlandale house. Yeah, I write it. I'm
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: not sure if I have the document, but I.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Know Hora Martin Solizer.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, let's see, he believed that any association with Oswalt
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: was extremely limited and confined to the one instance in
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: which Oswalt is alleged to have visited her home with
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: a group from the jury. So this kid is like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: goes against the other statements, does it not?
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, dude, it sounds to me like
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: he doesn't believe her. Like, look, Sylvia Odio has some
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: serious mental problems, as we'll see as this story progresses.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: And it's not out of the realm, but possibly possibility
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: that if he knows her as well as he I
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: think he knows her right, he's hitting it, yeah, which
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: means you know her pretty well, then he would meet
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: you know, he would know kind of when she's being
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: dramatic and making ship up right.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Again, you have to look at these things through the
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: lens of you know, these things are so ingrained in
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: the jfk assassination. Lord, we take it for granted that
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: this should actually happened, but what if it didn't? Does it?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Does it? Does it shed any new light on things?
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: And that's what we're trying to figure out here tonight.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, McCann and I never having a discussion with
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Sylvia Odios to the identity of this group and denied
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: ever hearing the name Leopaldo mentioned other than in connection
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: with this visit. He did state, however, that it's inconceivable
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that Oswalt was brought to Odio and introduced by her
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: by anyone from the jury here, that someone well known
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: to her. Inconceivable, impossible, Yes, he said, a man by
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the name of Alentada Ali and Tada, who is said
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to be the representative for the jury group in Dallas,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: would know who is active in this group. Alentada is
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: said to be a Certified Public Accountant a CPA in
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Dallas and frequently came to Miss Odio looking for help
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: for jury. And I don't really doubt that because her
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: family was pretty wealthy.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: But who the l knows? Again, Yeah, family's wealthy. She's
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: a nutjob. Probably easy to get money out of her,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: she has access to it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Nutjaw baddie man. They're hard to their hard to steer
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: clear of Odio is described with twenty six years old
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: of age, so the same age as father McCann, who
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: now lives with her three small children. She popped out
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a few and her sister Serena and west Lover's Lane
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: ironically Dallas, Texas.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: And let me point out real quick, so Sylvia Odio
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: at the right be young age of twenty six had
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: already had four kids all right by the time she's
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: twenty six, which means she is not averse to doing
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: the deed right. Apparently she had left her children in
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Puerto Rico.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Right, which is where she immigrated from.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Yep. And then I guess they came once she got settled,
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: because a week after the supposed audio incident, actually the
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: weekend after the supposed audio incident, she moved to a
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: different apartment.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: And that's why she said she remembered allegedly when Oswald
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: and these two other guys showed up because they were
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: packing up and getting ready to move, and they moved
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: that that weekend, so they had to visit. It was
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: either Wednesday, Thursday or Friday night, you know type of thing. Right,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm guessing her kids came after she got into
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: her new apartment. I guess she sent for the kids
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: to be sent.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: To her right later, right right, But.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Then for the for those six months while she's in Dallas,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: she did not have her kids.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Interesting, so she was a bachelorette if you will. Yes,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: another sister, Annie Laurie Odio, single, eighteen years of age.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I bet she was a baddie as well, is now
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: living in Miami. Father McCann says he did not know
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Sylvia Odio prior to March sixty three when she came
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: to Dallas from Puerto Rico, but that he knew her
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: sister of Sarltha in connection with the Cuban Relief Committee,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and that he also knew her younger sister and Annie Laurie,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: So he knows the whole family. Bro. He knows the
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: all the sisters who was attending school in Dallas prior
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: to missus Odio's arrival.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: I bet he does know them all.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's on the report. He stated that when
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: missus Odio arrived in Dallas, the she was ill for
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: the first few months, probably mentally. She made the acquaintance
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: of persons like Missus Connell, who introduced her to some
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: very prominent people in Dallas. None of these people assisted
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: missus Odio financially, and the family at that time was
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: supported by the funds furnished by the Catholic Cuban Committee
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: and by selling some of the possessions they had bought
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: brought with them from Puerto Rico, such as gold, coins, jewelry, etc.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: They were living a very meager existence and when the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: children arrived from Puerto Rico, so you're right, Rob, they
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: arrived after there was a real strain on their financial resources. Yeah,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: you have a lot of mouse to feed. Their situation
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: was complicated by missus Odio's mental condition, which required psychotherapy periodically.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: And real quick, let me jump in here, Joe yep, So,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: going back a little bit to when she first arrived
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: in Dallas, like I said, I think it was March
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: sixty three. Yeah, curiously enough and pull your Bengo cards
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: out here, people. So on Wednesday, April the tenth, nineteen
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: sixty three, Sylvia and her sisters went to the movies.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Joe, hmm, what was April tenth?
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Rob, Well, in the middle of the movie, suddenly Sylvia
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Odio stands up walks out. They thought she was going
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: to the bathroom, but she never came back, So of
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: course this was be a little alarming to the to
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: the other sisters, who enlisted the help of the police
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: to try to locate her because they couldn't find her
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: and she didn't she didn't drive. So they finally found
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Sylvia wandering around Turtle Creek Boulevard in the vicinity of
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: General Walker's house nineteen sixty three, which just happens to
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: be Joe. It just happens to me the same day
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: that somebody took a shot at General Walker, somebody on
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Turtle Creek Boulevard. So you can check those one, two, three, four, five.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: However many boxes there to check there, check.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Them, and I think we're in like a dozen by now. Yeah,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: but that is really interesting, really interesting, And I'm not
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: saying she had any involvement in that or whatever, but
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: it's the coincidence of that is troubling to me.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole lot to this story that's troubling
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Father McCann was requested to call missus Odio
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: an attempt to secure her from the same from the
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: name of the jury representative who accompanied Oswalt. He agreed
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: to place the call, stating that if he couldnot induce
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: her to tell him who the people were, he could
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: induce her again rob interesting wording here, he could induce
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: her to tell it to the proper authorities. He said.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Sylvia Odio would be reluctant to give any information which
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: might compromise her position among the Cubans Cuban exiles, or
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: which would result in the Cubans being embarrassed or in
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: any way connected with the assassination. This, of course, is
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: not quite consistent with her informing others in December that
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Oswalt was brought to her by members of the Judae.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now say, if you're a conspiracy theorist here and
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: you're thinking in your conspiratorial mind, Okay. This thing basically,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: which was not an uncommon thing, according to Fatimer Cann,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: that some of these Cuban exiles would visit wealthy, well
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: off Cubans in an attempt to secure funds for the movement.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Right right now. Of course, her parents are in jail, Okay,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: so she doesn't have access to the funds. Right He's
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: living in a very meager existence in Dallas, which adds
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: to her stress levels of her psychopathy. Right right, But
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: these Cuban exiles don't know that they know that a
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: you know, the check out money. This family had money,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: you know, downed all the railroads in Cuba, you know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: but you got the money. No, I don't, Yeah you do. No,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: I don't, yeah you do. But I think the father
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: McCann is right here by saying that missus that Sylvia
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Odio would not ever reveal who the names of these
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: people who came to see her was because she probably
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: knows who they were, but wouldn't reveal it because she
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: didn't want to implicate or embarrass any other you know,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: human exiles and have something come back on her. I mean,
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: she she's she has four young children. She doesn't want
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: to get roped into all this shit. She doesn't want
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: to be hunted down and killed for pelling the FBI
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: who came to visit her. And and I think this
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: whole Oswald or Leon Oswald being with these two guys
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: is if the figment, the figment thing part of her imagination.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Right, very well could be.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: That's just my take, Brank, It very well could be. So.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Father McCann stated that it was the duty of every
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: citizen to cooperate to the Folips. This stent in the
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: President's Commissions investigation. Yes, sure, and that he felt he
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: was bound in conscience to give whatever assistance he could. Yes,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: he's a godly man. He said he did not feel
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: he was violating the confidence and giving any information previously given,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: since he had been informed by missus Odio that she
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: had discussed this information with the proper authorities. He did
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: not realize at the time that she had not made
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: a full and frank disclosure of the names of people
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: of the people who brought Oswald to her. So this
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: is kind of the long letter. I think we only
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: have one page left. Father McCann said he did not
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: feel he could call missus Odio in the presence of
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Inspector Kelly right with the Secret Service, and he would
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: prefer to talk to her privately. Again, Rob, check off
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: another box here with that sentence.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, restricting the flow of information.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, and you're talking about FBI to Secret Service, and
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: of course we've gone on and on about inner agency
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: conflict and covering her hands and blah blah blah. But yeah,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: it's it's a problem. It was agreed that he would
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: call missus Odio shortly after six thirty pm Central standard time,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: April thirtieth, and he was furnished and necessary funds to
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: make the call. Upon his return to Inspector Kelly's room
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: about seven thirty pm, he said he had made the
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: call to missus Odio and Dallas, and that she was
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: very anxious to discuss the entire matter. I'm sure she
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: was not sarcastically, she advised him, and this is kind
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: of in brackets here, she advised him. The only information
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: she could provide on the people who visited her was
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: that one of them said he was using the code
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: name of Leopaldo, which I believe rob is like a
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Cuban war name, right or whatever it is. That the
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: second man she could identify as Eugenio Cicineros, and the
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: third man was introduced to her as Leon. She said
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Leon did not use the name of Oswalt in her presence,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: but that she recognized him after November twenty second as
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: being the same man who was arrested for the assassination
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: of President Kennedy. She further described the men as being
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: quote greasy looking Cubans, more like Mexicans than Cubans, although
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: they did not have Mexican accents end quote. She stated
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: that they were members of Jura and they had a
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: letter in Spanish which they wished her to translate into
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: English for the purpose of sending copies of this letter
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: to the United States companies to secure funds for their cause.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: She further stated that in the course of the conversation,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: the man she now identifies as Oswald spoke quote a
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: couple of words in Spanish, and further that the others
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: informed her that they were going to make a trip.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: These men did not enter her apartment or sit down.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: She said she was a little afraid of them since
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: she did not know them, although they used the underground
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: code word names of her father and mother and seemed
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: very familiar with their family and conditions in Cuba. Her
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: eighteen year old Batty's sister, Annie Laurie, who is now
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: in Miami, was babysitting with missus Odio's children that evening.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Missus Odio was ready to go out and never did
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: ask the visitors to sit down. The entire conversation she
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: had with them in the doorway of her apartment at
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: the Crestwood Apartments. She is not able to fix the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: date any better than sometime in September of nineteen sixty three,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: so the date, the date isn't even really.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Confirmed, right, and she she you know, describes them as
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: being greasy looking Cubans more like Mexicans, although they did
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: not have Mexican accents. So if you're you know, a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: young a young girl, a young lady living in an
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: apartment with your other sisters and their kids, are you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: going to invite three greasy looking Cubans into your apartment
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: to talk to them?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I want to, especially if they're asking for money?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Right? But then she says, well, then the story changes
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: and said she never well, she said she never did
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: ask the visitors to sit down, the entire conversation she
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: had then what was in the doorway of her apartment,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: So apparently she did outlist him.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Inn right, it's weird, man, this whole thing is weird.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Name Eugenio Ciscenario. So file that away, folks.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, uh, missus Odio said she refused to assist them
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: in their project of translating the letter, which I believe
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: if if it was Hall and Howard they would have
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: been able to translate that.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: No, Uh, they wouldn't have needed to, I wouldn't think,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: and they wouldn't have claimed to be affiliated with Jure
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: either if it was hall On Howard and no Corey,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: it was not hall On Howard.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So so did they just like name drop
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Dure to try to get some funds not knowing, not
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: knowing that maybe she didn't have access to the funds
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: type of thing.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm sure that you know, the their organization,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: like all the other Cuban exile organizations, you know, they
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: stemmed out of Miami, and they had the little fingerlings,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: you know, all across the United States and these you know,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: higher concentrated Cuban refugee communities, and the Jury wasn't anything
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: huge or special or anything like that. It was one
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: of the more tame, huge exile groups, if you wish obscure. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, so again, they might have had some information
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: maybe trickling down out of Miami. You know, her parents
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: are loaded. See if he get the money for you
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: out of her or whatever. And look, these guys weren't
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: doing anything special. They were doing the same thing that
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Lauren Hall, Lawrence Howard, Jerry Hemming were all doing and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: going around to the big fat as and trying to
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: raise money for the cause. Tur Castro and it's a grift.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: It's a grift, folks.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all a grift with these guys.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: Any intentions of putting that money towards you know, buying
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: a boat or buying weapons or whatever, you know, it's just,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a grift.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: I think some some groups did have that, but I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: think a majority of them didn't. You know, there were
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: differentiating levels of of motivation in a sense.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Right yeah, and real operators, you know, you have you
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: have these people who were collectors. You know, they went
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: around and collected money, but never did ship. You know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: like you never saw Lauren Hall hop on a boat
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: and go to Cuba and with a gun and try
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: to kill anybody. I mean, yes, he was in a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: prison there, and he probably wasn't any hurd to go
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: back in a Cuban prison, right right. He also probably
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: didn't have a death wish either, So you know, people
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: like him.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think Lawrence Howard, I don't do we know
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: about Lawrence Howard having any.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Well, he was part of Interpin with Jerry Hemming originally,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: and even the group Interpin. I mean, when you're thinking
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: about all them dudes, what did they really do? They
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: didn't do ship. They put on errors, they they showed face.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: You know, they pretended like they were training in no
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: name key and always tried to get a boat and somehow,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: you know, he's always thwarted their efforts, somehow, you know,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: almost like they had an informant in the group, you know,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: see imagine that. But you know, then you have different
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: levels of operators, like guys like uh oh Felipa Dwo Santiago.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: You don't hear about much doing shit in the United States,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: but this guy was actually going out on boats and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: walking the walk and talking to talk. You know, he
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: did go speak to General Walker apparently right for the assassination.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: A couple of times, I believe in sixty three.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at least we know he was actually on a boat.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: I mean he got blew up on a fucking boat.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then was later killed in Cuba.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Right, you know, killed you know, doing this ship.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: So right, so when you talk about levels of commitment, this.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Is levels of sincerity. Right movement. A lot of these
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: guys talked a big game, but when it came down
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: to it, yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: They they they went to the uh you know, far
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: right wing meetings, right and tried to raise money. But
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about like Lauren Hall. But did they.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Actually they never did anything put.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Their money where their mouth was. I don't know exactly,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem like so.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like they were always scheming, you know,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: get you know, hit the next con and moved. You know,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: they were costantly on the move throughout California, Texas, Louisiana,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: and Florida. Yeah, it was always worth back and forth.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: It was always the next con.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's pretty obvious. So let me continue here,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: missus let mess see the men. She says, sorry that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: she was was the Apollo called her the next day,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: and a part of the conversation he told her that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Leon was willing to do anything that he laughed at
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the Cuban saying they had no quote guts unquote, that
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: would be easy to kill Kennedy. After the Bay of
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Pigs invasion, missus Odio said that when the group first
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: came to the apartment, they asked for her sister, si Rita.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: That is true. And when they we're told that Cirito
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: was not there, but that she with Sylvia, they said, well,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: you're the one we want, the oldest. You were the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: one that we want to talk to anyway. Sylvia further
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: said that she did not tell anything to the FBI
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: because they had not they did not ask her these questions.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: She said she felt that the FBI interviewed her improperly
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: and that they came to her place of employment and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: asked about her and interviewed her there and it became
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: a source of embarrassment to her and later quit her
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: job at the chemical company partially on this account.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: So what is not mentioned here is this chemical company.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: You can check this box off on your checklist as well.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, we have Oswald and Leslie working at Leslie Welding.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: When it comes back to Dallas, you have Roscoe White
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: getting blown up in a welding place with chemicals, and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: this happens to work at a quote unquote chemical company
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: in Dallas. Yes, we don't know the actual name of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: but yeah, yes.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: And if you are following along on YouTube, we are
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: on the middle bottom part of the left hand side.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Father McCann insisted that in the latest conversation, again he's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: the intermediator here right in most of the conversations he
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: had with Sylvia about this matter. She insisted that the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: manas she identified as Oswald, had a mustache, or at
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: least he had not shaved recently, that he was quote
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: disgusting looking end quote because of his dark beard and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: unkept appearance.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: And this was not Oswald ever, right, that's I.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Was going to ask you to check off the box.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if he could grow a mustache
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: and a beard, to be honest.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: With you, Yeah, it was Oswald's very well, was very neat,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: if you will, according to all accounts, could he have
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: not shaved for a couple of days, sure, I just.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: It's we've never seen a picture of him not shaved
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: for a couple of days, correct, And we have pictures
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: of every fucking step of his life.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Basically, In response to a question goodcerting a telephone call
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: missus Odio was let to have made to New Orleans
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: in recent months, Father McCann said that she had never
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: called him in New Orleans, but Sylvia had an aunt
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: and uncle in New Orleans. He identified the uncle as Rob.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Doctor Augustine Gwetart, a physics professor at Xavier University in
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: New Orleans, Orleans. He knows that missus Odio frequently calls
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: doctor Gwetart as he has been in Gwetart's home on
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: occasions when she called, he said, Weetart has engaged in
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: no political activities, of course, among the Cuban groups in
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: New Orleans or Dallas, in so far as he knows.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: So again, you've gotta have Nick Ann being the handler
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: here in my humble opinion.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: And look, you know, if you believe, and I'm starting
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: to that the anti Castro Cuban exiles were responsible for
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: setting up Oswald take the fall for this assassination, it
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: would make sense to throw Oswald into the story doing
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: something shady, you know what I mean, Yeah, and making
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: these little quick remarks. Well, you know, he's crazy enough
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: to feter Kennedy or kill Kennedy or something whatever Odio
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: had said. And it's not out of the realm of
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: possibility that Guitar would, you know, convince her to say this, right,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: for the good of the Cuban calls, you know whatever, right.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Right, And he already stated that Sylvia was concerned about
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: the good of the Cuban cause, right, and the same document.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and this dude again somehow makes a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: friend in Doctor Augustine Guitard, a physics professor at Xavier University.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: Mind you, McCann is attending Loyola University. So how in
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: the hell does he make of all people as a
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: friend in New Orleans doctor Augustine Guitart, who happens to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: be Silviod his uncle, and he knows he's over there
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: so much talking to this dude that he knows that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: Sylvia calls him all the time.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's a good point. And who happens, as
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: we said earlier, to also be at the hearing of
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Oswalt after the fracas.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Ah, Brandon, Oh you're alive.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: He's alive.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Thank the good Lord, Thank you buddy. We appreciate you,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: and thankfully you are alive. Welcome back, Sarah. We missed
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: you the other evening.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Yes we did, so. I just have one last page here,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Rob on this document of McCann father, McCann was asked
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: whether he had an opinion as to whether civia Odio
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: actually saw Oswalt on the night he's alleged to a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: visitor her home with Leopaldo and Cccenarios. He replied that
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: he is skeptical of this story. Okay, so even McCann
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't really believe it. But we've talked about this before.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Sylvia did not mention this visit to anyone until after
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: November twenty second, and he has a strong feeling that
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: either because of her mental condition, she now believes the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: third man in the group was Oswalt after seeing his
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: photographs and after feeding the newspaper accounts about him, or
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: that she may, because of her crying need for recognition,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: be attempting in this way to associate herself with a
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: spectacular event. So, Rob, I'm gonna stop right there. I
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: wish she would have thought me. She's wants attention in
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: some ways, but now she doesn't want attention.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Well, she doesn't want public attention. She wants to be helpful,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: but she doesn't want it known that she's being helpful.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, I believe. Earlier in the document it said Father
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: McCann said, her known desire for recognition, but now she doesn't.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: It just it doesn't line up for me, if you
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: know what I mean.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, it's just I'm with father McCann here, basically
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: doubting that this thing ever happened.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Father McCann said, however, that while she was very mature,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: intelligent person, this may be a subconscious reaction on her part,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: and she may not be able to accept or perceive
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: the actual truth herself. Interesting. Father McCann said that missus
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Odio I don't know. Father McCann said that miss Odio
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: had expressed a desire for him to be interviewed, saying
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: that she will be perfectly frank in any interview with
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: the authorities. Again check with the handler aspect of Father McCann,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: that she is most anxious to clear the matter up
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: and will cooperate wholeheartedly in any inquiry and give her
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: recollection recollection of the matter to the best of her ability.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: McCann says that it is his opinion that she will
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: be entirely cooperative in her interview. In her telephone conversation,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: miss Odio told Father McCann that Johnny Van Martin is
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: a Uruguayan who is supplying arms purchased in some South
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: America countries to some Cuban groups. Missus Odio is now
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: employed as a secretary at the Kroll Associates in Dallas,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: and has requested that any interviews in connection with this
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: manner be at her home or at some place other
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: than her office. She obviously doesn't want to lose her job.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Father McCann appeared to be very cooperative and friendly, and
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: expressed a desire to be as helpful as possible in
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: securing the cooperation of missus Odio. Very truly yours James.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Rawley of the Secret Service, Yeah, you're friendly.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Informing ass can Yeah, he just screams informant to me
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: over Odio and I mean, hey, if you're gonna informing
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: on her, he may as well hit it as well, Right, that's.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: What happens when you're playing both sides of the proverbial
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: things there. Joseph.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're both twenty six, so it's not like
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: it was anything underboard, you know. Yeah, I can't say
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to hit missus Odio. Hopefully my girlfriend
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: isn't listening, but yeah, that is uh one of the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: warrant commissioned documents.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: What is it to for.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Something? Something?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: The other sister is Eric Odio.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta find a picture of her two nine
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: four three, But you can take that off the screen
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: for now, and I think I'll throw it back to
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: you for a little bit. I mean, we're gonna we're
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: gonna have to keep a lot we have a lot
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: of shit on this. We're gonna have to keep a
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: good amount of this for part two.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's plenty. There's plenty of meat on the old
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: bone here and Joe.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: But no, I know, I'm just saying an hour twenty end,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: we're I have a lot of meat on my PowerPoint
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: bone as well, No pun intended.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: So oh mean she, yes, there she is in all
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: her glory. There'll be audio little mini.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Dress, that's what they call it, baddie.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: She's got some nice gams, Joe. As they used to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: say back in the old forties, you got some handsome
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: gams on her.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me go through scroll through a
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: couple of comments before we move on, if you don't mind,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I haven't checked comments in like an hour. That's an hour,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: so let me see. And I'm going through these really quickly,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: so I'm sorry if I miss anything. I know, Uh
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Turin came in. I know, Uh.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: I think there was some kind of a I'll pay
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: a big bad Josh is here real quick while you're looking.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: The Patrio calls. Letters sent from Cuba before the assassination
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: also referenced LHL as a crack shot who wanted to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: shoot JFK. Yeah, I think there was a lot of
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: uh again, I'm starting to think, you know, because of
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: all the shit that went down in New Orleans, that
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: the anti cast human exile community was legitimately pissed off
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: at Kennedy and had every reason and right to want
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: to end him, and if they had formulated a plan
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: to do so, they found themselves the perfect jackass Patsy
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: and Lee Harvey Oswald m right.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Who kind of like walked into the his own trap
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: in a sentence.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Right, he made his bed and they laid him in it.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: He left around and kind of found out, I believe,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: and I believe that's kind of where I'm at. I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: think that's close to where you're at. And the truth
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: styles shot you three free you were here? What's up,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: mister Ashley, what's up? Thank you again? The double B.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make sure I don't miss anyone.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: Bay bad Josh.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: He said, Oodio's father equals Communist. Well, is that true,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: because allegedly he was protesting.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: He might have been Communist, but maybe not a fan
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: of the way Castro became Communists and siding with the Russians.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know either. In prison.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm sure he wasn't communist after that. All right,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: thank you for that, and uh yeah, I'll hand it
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: over back to you, sir.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Okay. And by the way, do you know the Knicks
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: are playing in the Give A Ship.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't care about basketball. A bunch
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: of my friends are Nick fans, and they're kind of
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: pissing me off, to be honest.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, here we go, here we go. All right, here
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: we have a document and this is from October second,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: sixty four, when the Warren Commission is investigating still whether
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: or not h Lawrence Howard, William Houston, Seymour, and Lauren
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: Eugene Hall. We're in Dallas at Odio's place, right.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Right, And and the date is kind of interesting to
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: me because this is what weeks before the Warren Commission
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: report is released.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's already been released.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: It's already been released. So they're like kind of covering
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: their ass like that this was a big problem.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, they're still investigating this. Okay. So and by
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: this time, Sylvia Odio had moved to Miami. Check that
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: box off. Now. Interestingly, no, after father McCann is done
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: in New Orleans, he doesn't stay and he doesn't graduate
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: from loyal or spoiler alert, he moves from New Orleans
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: to Florida. Believe West Palm Beach to be exact. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: So here we have it says, with respect to the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: photos of William Houston Seymour, what is taken in Key West,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Florida Sheriff's Office December fourth, sixty two another one from
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: San Diego fifty nine bureau tilla type from Kansas City,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Miami dot in San Diego instructed Miami to obtain the
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: photo of Seymour from the Key West Sheriff's office. Photos
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: of Seymour appeared to be of two differentdividuals. Gerald Patrick
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: Heaving s I do you know what that stands for?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: Joe uh personal informant mm hmm, I like that I missed.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: One, yeah, something like that, and in parentheses under development,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: which means they are still currently working with him. Uh
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: As has a Paige Scafusa informant actually okay in Miami.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Out of Miami, who is acquainted with Seymour, was contacted
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: on September thirty and sixty four. Himing identified the San
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Diego police photo as Seymour, and he identified the key
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: West Sheriff's Office photo as that of Ronald Ponce de
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Leon again a Leon visited Silviodio allegedly, right, oh yeah, sure,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: he advised at Ponce de Leon made recently be in
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: the US Army, possibly in Korea.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, also a member of inter Pen, right.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, also sitting on the couch in John Martino's house
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: at some point, I didn't say it, allegedly.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, Hi Joshua, I did hear that my
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: alma mater, Valley Forge Military Academy is closing. It is sad,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: but it is what it is. They admitted women, which
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: But and gaze and everything else in there they go,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: maybe I.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: As well kidding, Okay, sorry, sorry for the interruption.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: So again ps I hemming advised that the American male.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: All right, So if we back up this a little bit,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: he he basically says. Celio Castro was described described an
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: American male in Dallas that when Hall and Howard left
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: their trailer of equipment, we're going to talk about lester
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: log here Catro. Celio Castro said Hall visited an American
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: woman in Dallas who had a seventeen year old daughter.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: Having advised the American males very probably Lester Logue, a
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: geologist with the firm log In Patterson in the Meadows
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Building in Dallas. He said the American woman is probably
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Gloria Couthart, who lives in the Dorchester House at Saint
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: Joseph de Scafusa Street, in the corner of Maine of
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: a main thoroughfare in Dallas. He had picked the shit up, folks.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Interview of Sylvia Odio on October first, sixty four was
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: conducted by a special agents Lehman and James. She was cordial,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: expressed her desire to cooperate, and, although apparently a tense individual,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: gave no sign of being discomfited by the interview. Further
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: interview of Odio, in an effort to resolve her claim
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: a visit by Oswald is not contemplated by Miami and
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: will be conducted only upon request from the Bureau or Dallas.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: So in this book, Kennedy nipples, I mean Kennedy ripples.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: Mary Ann Sullivan talks of visiting father McCann and Florida
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: like she just shows up one day and calls him,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: I'm at the airport. You need to come get me,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: and he's like, uh, I don't think so, and she's like, no,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: you are gonna come get me. I don't have any
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: place to go. I'm stuck here. You need to come
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: get me. So anyway, they go to his apartment, some
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: things happen where he pleases her orally, very thoroughly. In
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: it is in the book I thought you would have that.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: I pray kuoitus. He proceeds to uh beresiage him from
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: head to toe with lotion and suck on his toes
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: until he if you know what I'm saying, Joe, yes,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: I do. And then he made the excuse that he
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: needed to go play tennis the next morning, so he
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: left his apartment. He left her in the apartment while
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: he went to play tennis, and she describes in the
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: book how his apartment is basically pretty much barren, like
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: no furniture, very few clothes, no pictures, no personal shit,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: mattress on the ground. He had one. Uh. But then
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: she went in the closet and there was several bags
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: or briefcases or something in the closet, and when she
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: started to fiddle around in and was finding some documents,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: including some very young pictures of Sylvia Odio, which really
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: pissed her off.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: So young as in too young.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: Young is in younger than twenty six when he met her. Okay,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: so a teenage Sylvia Odio, if you will.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Right, which indicates a much longer relationship.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: Possibly, or she just gave him some older pictures because
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: that's what she was about them. Yeah, I mean, it's
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: not like it's not like I could text you a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: picture of my balls, Joe or you know, but maybe
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: I took a picture of my balls like five years
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: ago and sent it to you.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: You know, can you text me a picture of young
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Sylvia Odio? Teenagers? I'm kidding, guys.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: Easy Epstein, uh.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Of getting I just want to put that out.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: There, what Askafuza?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to be at the Pearly Gates for
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: a few more years or decades.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Now, all right, let's get back to some document. Okay,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: all right, here we go. All right. This one here
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: is from the HSCA period seventy six to be exact,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: And this is the interview notes with Sylvi Odio when
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: they talk to her, right right, So it basically gives
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: her history, if you will, according to her, you know,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: she starts off with you know how she figured that
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: it was Oswald and she passed out. She's been on
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: her mental and marital problems, mental strains, responsibility of caring
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: for her four children after her husband deserted her. The
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: next ding, she remembers watching television with her sister and
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: seeing Oswald and both recognizing him as one of the
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: men who had come to the apartment. We were just
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: so scared because we both recognized him immediately, you know.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, blah blah. And her sister at the
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: time was fourteen, Okay, so her sister was very young.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: Is this ser Rita or Rena Annie Annie, and the
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: one that supposedly saw Oswald as well?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: So she was interviewed by Hosty, which is interesting, Yeah,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: because it was supposed to be Hypeman right right. And
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: what's also interesting is that, as we'll get to later,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: possibly in part two, but father McCann would recall that
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: Hosty came to see him in New York Orleans and
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: interview him after he had moved there, which is interesting.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: Again she still talks about not recognizing Lawrence Howard, Lauren Hall,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: or William Seymour. They showed her pictures of him. She
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: recognized none of them, right. Pay attention to Corey Hughes.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: She says, we were standing and by my door for
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes and the light was just coming down upon
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: their faces when I saw him on television. And this
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: guy had a special grin, a kind of funny smile,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: kept smiling most of the time. He kept trying to
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: be pleasant, but the other guys did all.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: The talking Golden Hour as they call it.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's at night, okay, so it's dark outside,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: all right, Little fourteen year old Annie's probably in the
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: living room, sitting on the couch watching TV, not really
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: paying much attention. Who's at the doorway. You can't tell
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: me that she paid that much attention and recognized Oswald
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: as soon as he saw him on TV. After the assassination,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: she's likely just going along with her sister, and her
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: sister saying, oh my god, that's the guy who was
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: at the doorway that night, like two months ago. Don't
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: you remember, And she's like, oh, yeah, whatever you say, right,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: I just don't believe that her sister would remember seeing
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: this person standing in the dark doorway, you know. And
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: she says she talked to him for fifteen minutes. I
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: doubt it was that long, you know, because at the time,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: remember Sylvia Odio was trying to go out, she got
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: dressed to go out on the town. And you know
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: who wants to stand there and talk to these greasy
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: looking Mexicans who is trying to go out and drink on?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: Get a freak on, you know what I mean, Like
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: she's gonna be like hurrying them off, you know, I mean,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: it doesn't take that long to say I don't have
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: any money, get the fuck out of here, you know
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: what I mean? But whatever, So.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: I have some of the later part of this document.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: If you don't, I'm sure you do.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: Oh I do?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: It gets juicy? Yeah?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So she asked how candid she could be with me,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: and I said I wished she would be totally candid, right. So,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: she said she hasn't told this to anyone except a
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: mister Martin Phillips, who came to talk to her about
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: putting her on Dan Rather CBS Assassinations Special TV show.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: She refused to be on the show, but she did
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: talk to Phillips. She said she told part of this
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: story to Phillips but never mentioned it to anyone else.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: Now here's where it gets juicy, she said, after Leebler,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: that's Wesley Leebler of the Warrant Commission questioned her for
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: the second time that day, the first when started at
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: nine am, and the second one at six thirty pm.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: He asked her out to dinner. Quote that surprised me,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: but I was afraid and I went.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: I remember this. He tried to hit it too.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: We didn't go out alone. We went out with someone
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: who was supposed to be Marina Oswald's lawyer, whoa hello,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: James Herbert Martin lawyer or James Herbert Martin or John
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: Martin Thorn or John Martin Thorn.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: Which I think is probably more of the likely suspect.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: And this is what April sixty four. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: I would have probably her and James Herbert had their
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: falling out in February, so I'm guessing it would have
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: been John Martin Thorn. But that is speculation.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: So how do you get Wesley Leebler and either John
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: Martin Thorn or James Herbert Martin out to dinner with
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: this chick? Sylvia? O yo. We went to the Sheraton
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: to eat dinner. I thought perhaps there was something behind it,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: and there was a kind of double talk at the
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: table between the lawyer and him, like, Hey, we're gonna
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: really nail this thing later, aren't we. I wasn't sure
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: they wanted me to hear the conversation, or they wanted
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: to convince me of something like going up to a room,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: or wanted me to volunteer something. Leebler kept threatening me
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: with a lot of detective test even though he knew
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: I was under tremendous stress at the time. But one
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: thing he said, and this has always bothered me. He
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: said to this other gentleman I don't remember his name again,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: he said, well, you know, if we do find out
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: that this is a conspiracy, you know that we'll have
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: orders from Chief Justice Warren to cover this thing up.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: I asked, Leebeler said, I asked. Leebeler said that she said, yes,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: I I could swear on that. That's the time she
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: said she thought that maybe it was a bait for
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: her because she had the feeling that they were that
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: they thought she was hiding something more, that she was
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: involved with other keeping groups perhaps, or that she knew
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: more than she was saying That was the feeling that
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: I got by the time that they took me to dinner,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: that maybe if I had a few drinks and the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: conversation became very casual, I would go ahead and volunteer information.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: He thought that I was hiding.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: They're trying to get her drunk to put it in
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: her trunk.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: She says, My god, I'm not that drunk. He had
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: a bloody Mary. But that made me angry, she said.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: Not only that, he invited me to his room upstairs
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: to see some pictures. I did go. I went to
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: this room or his room. I wanted to see how
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: far a government investigator would go and what they were
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: trying to do to a witness. Of course, nothing happened,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: because I was right in my right senses. He'd only
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: had one bloody mary. He showed me pictures. He made advances, yes,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: but I told him he was crazy. Even mentioned that
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: they had seen my picture and that they had even
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: joked about it at the Warren Commission, saying like, what
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: a pretty girl you're going to see, Jim, and things
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: like that. Well, stop you there, James Herbert Martin, Jim.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, So, I mean we talked about Jim's kind
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: of breakup from Marina in February, but he might not
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: have known Odio. Maybe this was kind of a second attempt.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: Because listen, I mean, he's with Wesley Leebler. Wesley Leber
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: had to invite him.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: James Sherber. Martin wasn't a bad looking guy and no homo,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't in nineteen sixty four, you know what
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: I mean. And he's already had a track record of
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: kind of honey trapping marine.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: And if that was his gig and the work commission
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: knew it, then he that's the guy you invite, right right?
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: Very interesting.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to stop you there, sir. Continue, Yeah, sorry,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: I had.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: To the fellow who Leblir identified as Marina Oswald's attorney. Now,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: she's probably getting this mixed up, like not not his
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: attorney but her his uh or her? Yeah, I probably
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: thought it was his attorney, right, he's doing attorney ship, right,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: he's you know, he's controlling.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: And she's with another attorney to be fair. Yeah, So
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: I mean you could understand why she would have thought
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: that in a sense. Right again, I'm speculating here.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: So the fellow who Leeblair, identified as Marina Oswald's attorney,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: had not been at her question, but they picked him
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: up on the way to dinner. He left after dinner
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: and did not go up to lebel room with him.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: Showed her all the photographs I had with me, and
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: she could identify only Oswald and any of them except
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: for one photo, which I believe was taking of individuals
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: coming out of the courtroom following New Orleans concerning the
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: Brine Oswald fracas. She identified the man in the background
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: as her uncle and said she didn't know her uncle
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: was involved with Brignia. Oh shit, I told her that
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: according to an FBI report, her uncle Quitart admitted to
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: being at that court hearing. She said her uncle never
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: mentioned his involvement with Brignier, and then she knew he
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: was a fierce anti communist, fierce She herself, she earlier said,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: was associated with more liberal element of Manolo Raised party
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: and had always been a Kennedy fan. Said she's always
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: been wondering who the other two men who came with
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: Oswald were, and blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: M this is Joshua, this is Banana's that is true. Yeah,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: uh and Scott with maybe the common of the night
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: so far they put the ass in assassination.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: Apparently this Manolo Ray Dude was in charge of the
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: Jira movement, right, which is the one that she was
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: interested in, which is allegedly who the group was. These
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: guys came to visitor uh right, mm hm. The human
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: community in Dallas wasn't that large, but they and that
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: they all lived pretty much in the same section of
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: town called Little Havana if you will, and.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Yes this I mean read the paragraph above. This reminded
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: me of Johnny Martin who again comes to play. And
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: it just kind of showcases how much the Odio maybe
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: sisters were kind of uh doing preyed upon. I don't
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: know what the we're is, but you know the hot, rich,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: big booty Latinos.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: For the Yeah, Wasita to bring her clothes there to
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: his laundry mat and he wouldn't charge her. And then
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: Sterta brought him around to our house and we started
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: talking about a lot.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Of things, no calls necessary.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: He was very clever and uh we were very young,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: and soon he was telling us he could get arms
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: for our movement. I got in contact with Eugenio narrows.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: He told Manolo Ray that he was coming to Dallas
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: to meet Martin. Martin she always, she says, always seemed
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: to be broke, yet he always had something blacked out.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: Then we get to Lucill O'Connell. She was a Protestant
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: who again she was a Quaker who got involved. Now
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: she was a Protestant who got involved in the Catholic
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: Welfare Bureau. She came on very strong with Sylvia as
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: soon as she arrived in Dallas, and in fact had
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: sponsored her trip Puerto Rico, which means Canel paid for it.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: Right, and again, like you mentioned very early in this episode,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: gives you kind of ruth vibes. Right.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she struck me as the most fantastic, the most
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: kind and considerate person I ever met, said Sylvia. She
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: was just so generous and I had a tremendous admiration
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: for her. Right. She was very involved with a lot
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: of different groups. She was very intense about the John
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: Birch Society. She was also involved with the Rosicrucians and
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: also with the Mental Health Association in Dallas. Mm hmmm, which,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: of course k Ultra.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: Right, yes, and of course would apply to Sylvia and
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: to weave back to how we started this episode. Maybe
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: they identified her as someone that could be possibly manipulated, right, yeah,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: not out of the Roman possibility.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: She was a very wealthy woman married to a wealthy man,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: but divorced him. Hello Ruth Payne and is now living
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: in a Long Island name now the Seal Light and
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: Psiosid Long Island. Her husband, Canel had a large CPA
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: firm in Dallas, Joe Borelli Canal JB. Canell.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: She wanted to give me acid and take advantage of me.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I didn't reject.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: Canel had even gotten her psychiatrist, doctor Einsbruck, who later
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Naval Hospital. She later visited him there and he
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: was wearing a uniform. So this doctor Einsbruck guy was
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: Sylvie Yo's psychiatryiatrist, but yet he worked for military for
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: the military.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, you can't make this up, guys, and we're not
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: making it up.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: No, you can't make this up.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: We wish we had the imagination to do so, but
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: we don't.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: Then came to the Then came this father McCann. Fellow
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: and I became very close friends, and he was going
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: through his own crisis in his life. Yes he was, Uh,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: Lucille used him, managed him, and handled him.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, Lucille.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and hello bitch, likely you as well, right mm hm,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: Lucille tried to get us together and then tried to
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: get us apart, and then got jealous of our relationship.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: In the meantime. People are very complex. She was very
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: moody and enjoyed playing with our lives. This is insaneness.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: It's there's so many different, uh kind of objectives going
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: on here. I don't even know what to make of it. Really,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: I just know it's insanity. And I want to just
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: highlight one comment.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: Rob.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: So you're saying Martin was a honey trap, that'd be
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Wan Martin. I don't know. He could have been like
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: looking for funds or trying to sell arms, or trying
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: to make a quick book. I mean, I'm sure hitting
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: one of those Martin.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: I think you said honeytrapp refriend to Jim Martin.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, yeah, I'm talking about Johnny Juan Martin
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: in terms of the Odio sisters, I think that's what
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: she's talking about. But I do think James or Martin
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: was honeytrap. Yes, but It's impossible to kind of decipher
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: his his objectives, right, who knows selling arms, making a
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: quick buck, getting on for jury, or whatever things he
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: wanted to get done. It's really hard to figure out.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to talk about that really quickly.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: But yes, let's continue the insidity, sir.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: All right, now we're talking to about missus Canell again.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: I asked her about Canell's report to the FBI regarding
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: General Walker and Colonel Caster. Now we got General Walker
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: in the mix again. Check that box off. Whenever she
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: wanted to find out information, she would take me out
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: to lunch. So it kind of sounds like now in
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: the seventies, Odio is realizing that this Canal chick was
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: using her and handling her. She says, I wasn't aware
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: at the time she was using me too, right. I
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: knew she was involved with key people in Dallas, and
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: she was continually getting phone calls where she would lock
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: herself in her library when she answered them. She was
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: always mysterious and always careful not to mention information, but
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: she always asked. She did mention General Walt.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: We talked about well, checking another box there, yeap after
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: that sentence, because that is.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: I know she was involved with his movement and with
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: the John Birch Society. I think that's why she was
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: involved with the Cubans, because we were very usable people, inexpendable.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: Did she ever mention conservatives of the USA? Yes, she did,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: you know it just it's wild man, look right here.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: Canel was not only involved with the Mental Health Association
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: but very interested in psychology, mind control, and brainwashing. She
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: had a lot of books on the subject.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: And it's just.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: From audio the fuck yeah yeah, yeah, just reminding the audience.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, he's the female David Ferry. Yeah.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, granted, she's you know, not in her early
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: twenties anymore by the HC time. I think she kind
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: of realized what was going on here. Eventually might have
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: tip her sometime, but I think she realized it.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or she's paranoid skids her friend or that. But
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: you know, again, this is the summary report. But originally
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: the FBI found out about Sylvia Odio from missus Canal. Right,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: like Sylvia didn't come out with this shit. Canell told
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: the FBI that they needed to go talk to her.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: M right, yeah, interesting.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: It's very weird, man, very weird.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: The original FBI interview with Kneal mentions nothing about the
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: Oswald visit. Yet she's the one that tipped them off
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: to go talk to Odeo, So they intentionally omitted this
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: out of her FBI interview, which is a little sus right.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: Odio denied that she told Cannell she had seen Oswald speak,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: and in fact had never seen nor heard of Oswald
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: prior to his visit to her apartment. Odio told us
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: that she guessed Canal reported her to the FBI because
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: she'd been angry with her for breaking off very close relationship.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: She was jealous.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Yep, she wanted that carpet.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: Yep, Hello Ruth, We're so bad, sorry guys.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: And again Canell was very intense about the John Birch
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: Society and that she was involved with General Walker. H
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: m hmmm, and this is uh. I specifically asked Canal
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: whether she told the FBI about her friend and about
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: Jack Ruby's visit to the law office to get power
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: of attorney drawn for his sister. Well, did you say Ruby? Yeah, yeah, interesting, Yeah,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: she said yes, the FBI has that information. I gave
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: it to them at the interview. She is puzzled why
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: it never made it into the Warren report shock her.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: I was rather surprised that they didn't seem fit to
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: mention it myself, because I thought it was rather a
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: pertinent information. Ruby had never had power of attorney drawn
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: for his sister before. Again, this is Canell's husband that
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: Jack Ruby went to see allegedly have power of attorney
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: drawn up over Eva. Interesting it has been out as
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: I think Joshua Son, Yeah, Canel's said. It really surprised
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: me that Sylvia came up with the story about Oswald
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: because the only political meeting I knew she ever attended
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: to decide from her Cuban underground work was one where
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: General Walker spoke, and that seemed to be the opposite
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: of Oswald politics. So now Canel is saying that Sylvia
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: Odio went to see General Walker speak. Now, who else
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: in early October sixty three went to see General Walker speak.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: In early nineteen sixty three.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: Early October.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, that would be Michael Pain.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and who was with him there?
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: You go?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: Do we have Odio and the Pines and Oswald at
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: this General Walker speech all together?
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: That would be funky.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: And then of course remember April tenth, allegedly Oswald shot
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: at him and allegedly so Yoda is wandering around his
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: fuck neighborhood all.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: Right, day the walker shooting, of course, the Wednesday.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: Mountain butterflies or whatever the fuck she was doing.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: Right, are there any butterflies at night?
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: Hey? You never know, You never know, but I mean it,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: just the story just keeps getting weirder and weirder and weirder,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: and Jack Ruby's getting brought into all this shit. Next
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: thing I know, here comes a guy named Jack Ruby
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: who owns a semi sleazy night club which I finally visited.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: So now she visited it, Yeah, after much persuasion on
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: his part one evening, and it was pretty sleazy. But
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: Jack was a character out of Ring Lardner who spoke
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: in broken sentences and was hard to figure out what
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: he was talking about. But I tried to help him
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: with his taxes.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Do you know what Ring Lardner is?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: I don't some old reference to some yeah old movie. Yeah,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: but yeah, man, the ship's nuts. It's crazy. It's not
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: likely he would have been in my appointment book because
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: almost never did I have what you would call an
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: appointment with Jack. He just showed up, and he always
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: paid cash. I don't believe I ever sent him a bill.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: His method of bonus in those days was to give
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: me those British razor blades, which here that was typical
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: of him British they shaved very close on the ballsack
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: and would not Nick.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: Was this before waxing happened?
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: Apparently? So okay, sorry, British razor blades and a little
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: baby old those wonders for your ballsack.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about the audio strength, Joshua.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: Literally, no, we're not talking about Icesbruck.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Oh Icebruck. Yeah, we might say that for part two.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of she was her.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: Handle or, but also dabbled in psychotherapy, so that's why. Yeah.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, man, this is not this whole situation with
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: the audio thing. I don't know what to make of it, bro,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: I really don't, dude.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: It is a crazy effing story, you know, and it's
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of it is. I mean, it's a lot.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: There's so much interspersion here with all these characters, and
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: it's like, what in the hell is going on here? Right? Yeah,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: let's get to Oh, sorry, Sylvia Odio's psychiatrist. Since you
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: wanted it so badly, you asked and you shall receive.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: All right. So this is an interview with Burton Einsbruck
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: on Monday, April thirteenth, nineteen and sixty four.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: And Rob, before you start, I have an interview here
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: and it's like eight pages on my power point of
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: interview with missus Conroll on the same day, April sixteenth,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four. And I think maybe we'll save that
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: for remembers only because we're almost two hours in, but
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: I'll let you continue. But interesting that it's the same day. Yeah,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: and this was by Burt Griffin, a lawyer for the
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: Warrant Commission.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: So right, all right, secret Service as William Patterson and
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: I look with doctor Einsbruck at Parkland Hospital where he
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: fucking worked. Hey, check that box off. So Einsbruck worked
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: at Parkland.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: By the way, Father McCann was found at Parkland Hospital
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: gorded out of his brain a week before the assassination. Right. So,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: doctor Einsbruck, as psychiatrist, stated that he treated miss Odio
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: since she was found counting butterflies around General Walker's house
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: in April sixty three, and then he saw her on
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: the average of once a week from the beginning of
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: that period until the president was assassinated. He first indicated
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: to us that the rumors about miss Odio's love affairs
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: were false. Later, however, he did state the story we
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: had heard about her affair with the Puerto Rican law
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: for preface Professor was true.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, that is what Yeah, that is what
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: is alleged.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: He also stated miss Odio did date Leonard Marcus, although
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: he did not think the affair was as great as
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: missus Canel indicated to us. It should be pointed out
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: that Canell also believed that Odio is exaggerating her affair
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: with mister Marcus. Ironspruck further stated he did not believe
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: that the affair with father McCann was as serious as
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: we were led to believe by miss Cannell. We did
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: not present on this matter. However, you know, of course,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: a defrocked priest is not going to admit to banging
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: a young latina. Okay, I mean, it wasn't like he
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: got caught with her, right. Ironsbruck described Odio as coming
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: from a very high social position in Cuba. He had
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: been educated in Philadelphia or she had been educated in
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: Philipdelphia for five years apparently, and that she had written
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: some stories that had been published in Latin American journals,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: and that she writes poetry. He described her as a beautiful, brilliant,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: well spoken, charming woman. Doctor Ironspruck confirmed that the stories
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: of Canal had given us concerning the anti castor activities
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: of Odio's father. He stated that Odio's father had organized
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: an anti Castro group while in prison. Doctor iron Sprung
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: further stated that miss Odio has two brothers, two sisters,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: and four children with her in Dallas. She also has
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: a brother, Cesar Odio, in Miami. Miss Odio's ex husband,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: Guillermo Jima, is believed to be living in Ponce Puerto Rico.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: In describing Odio's relationship with Dallas Cubans, Einsbruck stated, she
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: never really was part of the Cuban community, but a
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: real place was at the very top of the social
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: latter among American Dallas and socialites. Now this is a giant, uh, well,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: it's a giant dichotomy between the fact that she was
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: so broke right in nineteen sixty three and barely scraping
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: by and it was you know, now they're calling her
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: one of a top in the top social ladder among
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: Dallas socialites. Right, what the hell doesn't line up? Doesn't
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: line up? He confirmed with mimister Canal's statement to missus
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: Odio had worked for a while and even Marcus. Oh,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: by the way, when we're talking about mister Marcus before,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: a guy by the name of Leonard Marcus as the founder, Yeah,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: founder of Nemon Marcus.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: Not the littlest store you've ever heard of?
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you may have heard of it, oh man man.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: He stated that her tendency to exaggerates an emotional type
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: characteristic of many Latin American people, being one of a
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: degree rather than in fact. He stated that Odio is
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: friendly with two Cuban psychiatrists. That's a lot of psychiatrists
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: to be friendly with. He said that in general, Cuban
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: activities in Dallas center around the church, and he did
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: not describe the extent of Odio's participation. Well, we know
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: she participated it in the priesthood for sure. Eroinnsbruck stated
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: that he had great faith in miss Odio's story of
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: having met Lee Harvey Oswald, so he believes her. Okay.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: He stated that in the course of psychotherapy, I mean
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: so much for doctor patient privilege. Miss Odio told him
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: that she had seen Oswald at more than one anti
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: Castro Cuban meeting. One of these meetings was at her house, apparently,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: he believed, which is crazy. And miss Odio's sister also
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: saw Oswald at the house Allegedly. Ironsbruck says that Odio
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: reported to him that Oswald made inflammatory comments about Cuba.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: The term inflammatory said and is Ironsbrucks, and he cannot
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: clearly indicate what it was that Oswald has said. I
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: asked doctor Eroinsbruck about the blackout that she had on
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: November twenty second. He stated that on occasion he did
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: not trusts or he did not treat miss Odio. She
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: was handled by a general practitioner, doctor Lewis Sleepack of Irving, Texas.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: Hum Doctor Sleepack was a physician for the company at
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: which miss Odio is an employee. I guess the mysterious
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: chemical company.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: Joe Right, where she was the secretary.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Doctor Einsbark did not know whether or not Oswald's
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: capture was the precipitating factor in the blackout. I asked
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: Eronsparks if he believed that miss Odio would give information
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: which would be harmful to her Cuban friends, and he
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: stated that he did not right, so she would not
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: write out other Cubans. He did not believe that she
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: would write out other Cubans.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: Wait, I asked doctor Einsbrook, if you believed that miss
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: Odio would give information harm from Okay, yes, so, yes,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: it's consistent in terms of not wanting to get the
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: Cuban exiles movement involved to Fu.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and pursuing the question of Odio's possible reluctance to
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: give information that would hurt her Cuban friends. I asked
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: Einsbruck why it was that Odio might have told Connell
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: about her knowledge of Oswald. He stated that, well, Connell
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: at the time was Odio's closest friend in Dallas. He
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: stated in however, the relationship had begun to cool at
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: the time, and he stated that Sylvia Odio had slept
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: at the Canal house on more than one occasion.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we call a problem.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's a problem. There's a lot of jealousy
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: between Odio and Canal. Wonder why. He said that it
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: was his understanding that Canal had a few affairs of
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: her own he's pretty much coming out and saying that
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: they were Scissor sisters. If you know what I'm saying, Yes, I.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: Getting that impression.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he reiterated Miss Adios at the very top of
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: the Dallas social ladder again despite being fucking broke, broker
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: than a joker. He emphasized this by stating Odio's closest
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: friends in Dallas. Now where the John Rogers family. Oh,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: who are they? Well, they own Texas Instruments, so oh
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: yeah wow.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, I just thought of this.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: You know, Odio came from a wealthy family, right, granted
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: her parents were imprisoned at the time. You could imagine
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: a situation where she's kind of hanging out with these socialites,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: being as cute as.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: She was, even if she didn't have any money.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't really need money. You just need
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: the name and you need you know what I mean that.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 7: That's what I kind of saying, play the part. You
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 7: gotta look the part. You gotta have nice clothes, nice ride,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 7: you know, nice ship. Well you just show up looking
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 7: like a bubbo, you know what I mean?
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: Like, who do we know that?
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: How do we know that she didn't have those nice clothes.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, granted, I know she had financial issues, but
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: if she came from that wealthy background, she would have
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: known how to play the party. It's my point. I
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: don't know again.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: Or she bought the ship for right, Yeah.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: That's that's also true too, or Lentter ship.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Apparently after her hospitalization at Parkland after the Kennedy assassination,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: she went to go stay with the Rogers family that
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: owned Texas Instruments. That's nice. That's not sus at all,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: is it.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: Now? Who else in the assassination Milieu worked at Texas Instruments.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: There's one I can't remember.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: Wow, h fuck ed Hoffman? Ed Hoffman, the deaf mute guy.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: Did he work at Texas?
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: And Truman? He did? Oh? Okay.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: I wasn't like thinking of someone of his ilk no
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: offense to ed Hoffman, But I thought I thought, no offense.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: I thought there was someone else. Maybe I'm like thinking
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: of another Texas BSD type of company.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: But here's the last thing I wanted to hit here.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: Miss Knell was interviewed by Secret Service agent Wayne Patterson.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: She had previously been interviewed by agents of the FBI
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: on November twenty ninth. Miss Cannell missus Kanell is an
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: extremely joe, extremely attractive, well dressed, educated, well mannered woman
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: in her late forties, early fifties.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: Her husband is a CPA and their home is in
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: an upper middle class area. We questioned her in detail
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: about the background and reliability of Silviodio. She said Odio
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: had come to Dallas from Puerto Rico in April or
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: March of sixty three.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: Do you say November twenty ninth. What the first interview
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: with her?
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just wrote it down. Sorry.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: It is missus Cannell's understanding that Silviodi's father was an
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: anti Baptista businessman who would temporarily exiled himself from Cuba.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 3: His primary business seemed to be in the transportation industry,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: although missus Canel would not elaborate. Odio was an early
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: supporter of Castro, and Canel states that mister Odio entertained
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 3: Castro and more than one occasion in his home. Apparently,
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 3: when mister Odio realized that Castro was a Communist, he
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: deserted Castro and began to organize opposition to him in Cuba. Yeah,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: so I don't think Amador Odio was a communist. It does.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it, although you know Castro kind
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: of turned communist you know later, right in fifty nine
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: or sixty or whatever it was.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he may have been friends with I mean, he
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: says he was friends with Castro before he turned communists, right.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: And and sought the protection of the USSR.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: And then they put him in his old lady in prison.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: All of his children, how her, were able to escape
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: to Puerto Rico or to the United States. Missuskanell, who
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: was an Episcopalian, came to know Silvia Odio through the
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: Catholic Human Relief Committee of Dallas. Canell apparently became interested
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: in the work of this committee after she returned from
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: a trip to Spain in early sixty three or late
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: sixty two. Interesting because missus Canell had a great interest
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: in mental health and Sylvia was having psychiatric difficulties. Canell
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: formed Spain. Yeah, okay, so she's traveling abroad, right, another box,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: another box. Yes, Missus Canell formed a particularly a close
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: attachment to miss Odio. Apparently, Canell was at least partially
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: instrumental in Oudio's consulting a psychiatrist and obtaining a psychiatric
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 3: help at Southwest Memorial Hospital in Dallas. Mister Cannell stated
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: that Sylvia was suffering from a mental disease known as
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: grand hysteria. Missus Kanell stated that grand hysteria is common
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 3: among European women, but is rather rare among Americans. It
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: is for that reason that the Southern Methodist staffed at
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: Parkland took a particular interest in miss Odio. Grand hysteria,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: according to him, or according to Missus Canel, is a
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: condition characterized by blackouts and fainting spells, and other forms
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: of unconsciousness, which might last for a period of hours.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: Cannell stated that in Sylvia's case, apparently the principal cause
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: of this difficulty stemmed from her relationships with men. Canell
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: described Miss Odio as attractive, highly intelligent, and gifted who
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: had a series of affairs. Miss Odio is twenty six
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: years old and divorced. Cannell stated Odio had an affair
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: with a man in Puerto Rico. As a result of
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: this affair, the law professor apparently lost his job and
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: is now working in DC. Odio also became involved with
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: the Catholic Rocks Yea and Dallas, who had been working
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: with the Cuban refugees. That's McCann partly because of his
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: relationship with miss Odio and partly from his own choice.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: McCann is no longer a member of the clergy. Cannell
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: also stated that miss Odio was amorously involved with Leonard Marcus,
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: a member of the Nieman Marcus clan. Connell stated that
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: she believed that Sylvia was inclined to exaggerate many of
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: her amorous relationships and she had a great need for recognition.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. However, missus Canell was pro Kennedy and a
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: recognized liberal in the community, despite her being buddy buddy
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: with General Walker, which.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, far right right that man, I don't believe that.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't believe. Of course she's gonna say I
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 3: was pro Kennedy. Yeah, she throws Audio under the bus.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 3: She says Canal believed that miss Odio soft pedal her
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: anti Kennedy feelings in her presence, So now she's trying
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: to say that Oudio had had anti Kennedy feelings, which
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  Speaker 3: who knows.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I believe that, but being part of Jurrey,
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  Speaker 2: But that doesn't seem out of the world possibilities.
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  Speaker 3: Tylvia wasn't part of Juray's something.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: I'm saying like family connections to jury.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but they're more anti Castro, not anti Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Right, You're right. I mean, I can't presume to know
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  Speaker 2: what she might have been, but it doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 2: crazy to men. If she was very pro anti Castro,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: that she could be some anti Kennedy.
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  Speaker 3: Missus Canell described John Martin aka Juan Martin as sharing
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: missus Oudio's anti Kennedy feelings. Missus Cannell stated she met
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: Martin twice at Odio's apartment, described Martin as being five
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  Speaker 3: foot seven inches tall and weighing a whopping one hundred
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: and thirty pounds, soaking wet, and as being her close
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  Speaker 3: friend of miss Odio.
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  Speaker 2: Is not much.
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  Speaker 3: Sometime in sixty three, Martin drove to Florida, where he
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: picked up a car belonging to Sylvia's brother and drove
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: it back to Dallas. Now they're talking about Colonel Caster,
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  Speaker 3: she said. Colonel Caster's wife is connected with h. Hunt.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: HL Hunt is the father of Lamar Hunt, the owner
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: of the Kansas City football team.
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  Speaker 2: They still owner.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: By the way, the Hunts, the daughter of hl Hunt
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  Speaker 3: as a Missus Hill, who is active in right wing
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: political activities. Missus Canell described Missus Hill as being in
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: their late forties early fifties. It's entirely possible Missus Hill
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: is the father of Thomas Hill, a former Dallas man
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: in his mid twenties who now lives in Massachusetts and
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: works as an organizer for the John Birch Society. Thomas
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: Hill was the leader in the John Birch Society in
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: Dallas before he went to Belmont. Hill's name appears in
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: Jack Ruby's notebook and may have been taken down when
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: Ruby photographed the impeach or A Warren sign. Wow, Apparently
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: Thomas Hill was in a restaurant at the same time
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: Jack Ruby and all them guys went out and were
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: taking pictures of the impeach Earl Warren sign And apparently
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: they were either together there or just happened to be
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: there at the same time, which is odd. Yes, Yeah,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: Hector is Gadero's wife, works at NEMI and Marcus okay,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: mm hmm, yeah. But that's that's about it for the
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a lot. Yeah, and.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: Patty Link, which I believe you. I don't think you've
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: glossed over it, but I saw it at the end
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: of that document. I have a little two sentence thing
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: on her associated with father McCann, speculated on the appearing
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: disappearance of McCann and Sylvia's frantic efforts to locate the
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: father after the assassination, page two sixty eight. I believe
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: this is some ORB file.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Sylvia. Odia wasn't the only person frantically looking
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: for father McCann after the assassination. That was Mary Sullivan, right.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have that here too, and I think maybe
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: we'll say that for part two because I have an
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: interesting interview with miss Connell by Burt Griffin. I think
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: I mentioned it before in April thirteenth, the same day
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: as I mentioned, Oh yeah, did you read all of it? Okay, okay,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 3: The second part of that document I had there see
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: five seven weigh pounds?
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, And then I have some more on Johnny
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: Martin on some of Odio's at HCA interview. I believe
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: you've read some of that as well. But we have
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, Rob, I mean, this this is juicy.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: We have a lot of stuff for Part two for
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: members only. Uh, this coming Wednesday. That's that's for sure.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: See signor signor.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: Signor So let's check a couple of comments maybe before
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  Speaker 2: we go, since we're two and sixteen into this.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: Uh what does this mean?
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: What does this mean? Doctor? I'm spra also studied.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: Using aura real otherwise.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: To lower I don't know that, to lower inter intra
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: cranial pressure. Interesting, how do you know that? Nor know where?
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: With Iran?
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But I was like, and how did
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: the piss get into the brain? I'm inquiring? Minds one another? Yeah?
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: Did he snort?
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: It?
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: Was it injected?
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: Joshua says Texas Instruments being brought by Howard I believe
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: he means Hughes.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: Right, let me google that really quickly.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: We like to figure things out here.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 3: He said Texas Instruments was a contractor and supplier to
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: the CIA. That's believable. Yeah, I mean Howard.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: Hughes did build an aviation and manufacturing empire, but it
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: was eventually acquired by Raytheon, So I'm not sure, although
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: I did misspell a word.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: So now he says Fergie has no money, she was
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: married to Prince Andrews and she will always be a socialite. Well,
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: well I get it, but trust me, somebody is putting
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: money in Fergie's bank account. Ah, she ain't broke.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, let me see what else. I think we have
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 8: a couple more. Howard Hughes on the Texas Theater.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 5: A Google, I don't know about that. And yeah, I
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 5: believe I've never heard of that.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: I believe this dude Silvio who got a job with
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: Crole Associates, who was one of these front front things
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: for CIA, you know, these advertising firms or lawyer Grooves
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: Howard Hughes briefly owned the Texas Theater in the Oakliffe
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: neighborhood of Dallas, Texas during the early nineteen thirties. Oh yeah,
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: according to a quick Google search.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: So take it.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: So true and false. But apparently John Martino served time
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: in Cuban prison with old man Odio. I could tell
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: you that he definitely was in Tresconia and served time
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: with a lot of scaffozos and including Santra Trafficante. Because
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: I present that this is atlancer, as Rob loves to
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: be reminded of.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: And the other is Joe's long winded answered.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if he was exactly
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: imprisoned with old man Odio. I think he might have
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: been in the same prison. I don't know if it
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: was the same what's it called a quansi hut or
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: something shit like that. I'm not exactly sure about that.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: But yes, they were in prisons at the same time,
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: I believe. And I know I just mentioned that, Rob,
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: because I know you love when I bring that up.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that's it. I think I'm gonna
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: mute and try to pretend that I'm leaving to grab
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: the damn that's all you have, Rob.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: I know we have some more thing. Okay, sure, I
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: actually have an interview with Silviodio's vagina. Here it is,
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: and that's it for us. S Dino gets your fat
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: ass in.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get copyrighted after two hours, twenty minutes.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: Not for that shirt. All right, folks, that's it for
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: this one.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 9: Definitely tune in for part two of this sexty sadistic,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 9: sad story of Sylvia Oudio and Herbergina and father McCann
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 9: and everybody else they banged her and all of this
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 9: good stuff.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: Thank you, guys for hanging out with us. We hope
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: you enjoyed the show. Be on the lookout. It's some
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: more random research rambles with Rob. Another book review and
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: again next Wednesday, part two of Yo, There's Ruby, there's.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: The acute of the Ruby.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: Booby. Al Right, folks, we'll see you very soon.
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  Speaker 2: She's a haircut as the Joe.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: Sure,