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- Lucas: So here's a stat I've been thinking about — Apple captures roughly eighty-five percent of all global smartphone profits, but they only ship about twenty percent of the units. That is not an accident. That is pricing. Luna: Eighty-five percent. And that, by the way, is an improvement from a few years ago when it was closer to ninety. So they're losing a little ground, but still — that's a staggering concentration of profit. Lucas: Right. And if you look at how they pull that off, the single most important lever is the tiered product lineup — the good, better, best structure. In Apple's case, that's the regular iPhone, the iPhone Pro, and the iPhone Pro Max. Each level has a different price point, but the cost to produce them is surprisingly close. Luna: Which means the margins on the higher tiers are just enormous. We're talking about a Pro Max that costs maybe fifty to seventy dollars more to build than a base model, but sells for four to five hundred dollars more. Lucas: Exactly. So the strategy is to get you into the ecosystem at a base price — say seven ninety-nine for the latest iPhone — and then use storage and features to nudge you up. The difference between the base model and the Pro Max can be six hundred dollars, but the bill of materials difference is maybe a hundred and fifty bucks. The rest is pure margin. Luna: That's the classic 'good, better, best' strategy. And it works because of anchoring. When you see the Pro Max at eleven ninety-nine, the base model at seven ninety-nine looks reasonable. And then you might even talk yourself into the Pro at nine ninety-nine because it's only two hundred more. Lucas: Exactly. The base model is almost a decoy in a way. It exists to make the Pro models look like a good deal. And it works — data from consumer intelligence firms shows that the Pro models now account for more than half of all iPhone sales, even though they're significantly more expensive. Luna: And that's a relatively recent shift. Five years ago, the base model was the volume leader. Now, Apple has successfully trained consumers to pay more. Lucas: Part of that is the trade-in program. Apple offers a credit for your old phone — maybe two hundred or three hundred dollars — and suddenly the nine ninety-nine price feels like seven hundred. It softens the sticker shock. But it also keeps you locked into the upgrade cycle, because that trade-in value is highest if you trade in every two or three years. Luna: So the trade-in program is both a pricing tool and a retention tool. It reduces the net price the customer perceives, and it gives them a reason not to switch to Android, because they'd lose that trade-in value. Lucas: Right. And there's another layer here — the carrier subsidies. In the US, most people buy their iPhones through AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile, and those carriers often offer zero-percent financing or even 'free' iPhones with a qualifying plan. That decouples the monthly payment from the actual price of the phone. So the consumer doesn't feel the nine ninety-nine as a lump sum — they see it as forty-one dollars a month for twenty-four months. Luna: Which is exactly how Apple wants it. They want the price to be just low enough on a monthly basis that you don't think twice. And they know that once you're in the ecosystem, you're likely to buy apps, services, accessories, maybe an Apple Watch or AirPods. The iPhone is the gateway. Lucas: And that's the genius of the pricing — it's not just about the hardware margin. It's about lifetime value. An iPhone buyer generates significantly more revenue from services over time than the hardware margin alone. So Apple can afford to be aggressive on trade-ins or carrier deals because they know they'll make it back on the App Store, iCloud, Apple Music, Apple TV Plus. It's a systems play. Luna: Let's talk about competition for a second. Samsung and Google try similar tiering strategies, but they don't have the same profit capture. Why? Lucas: A few reasons. First, brand premium — Apple has spent decades cultivating a perception of quality and status that allows them to charge more. Second, the ecosystem lock-in I just mentioned. Third, and this is crucial, Apple controls the chip design. The A-series and M-series chips are custom-designed and give Apple a performance and efficiency advantage that competitors using Qualcomm or MediaTek can't match. That translates into a smoother experience, which justifies the price. Luna: And let's not forget the resale value. iPhones hold their value better than any other smartphone. So when a consumer buys an iPhone, they know that in two years they'll get a decent trade-in or resale price. That lowers the total cost of ownership, even if the upfront price is higher. Lucas: That's a really good point. The total cost of ownership calculation works in Apple's favor. A seven ninety-nine iPhone might cost you only two hundred dollars a year in depreciation if you sell it after two years. A six hundred dollar Android phone might lose half its value in the same period, costing you three hundred a year. So the iPhone is actually cheaper in terms of annual cost. That's a powerful narrative. Luna: But there's a risk here, right? The average selling price of iPhones has been climbing — it's now over nine hundred dollars. At some point, you hit a ceiling where consumers just can't or won't pay more. Especially in emerging markets. Lucas: That's why Apple has the SE model — a lower-priced entry point for price-sensitive buyers and for markets like India and Brazil. And in those markets, they also sell older models at a discount. The iPhone 14 or 15 might still be in the lineup at a lower price once the 17 comes out. So they have a long tail of older models that capture different price points. Luna: It's a bit like the automotive industry — you have the high-margin luxury line and then the used car market. But Apple controls both, because they set the trade-in values and they refurbish and resell old phones in some markets. Lucas: And they also control the supply chain. Apple's scale gives them enormous bargaining power over component suppliers. They can negotiate lower costs for screens, memory, cameras, and that gives them room to maintain high margins even when the base price stays flat or even drops slightly. Luna: All right, so the tiered pricing, the trade-in program, the ecosystem, the chip design, the supply chain leverage — it's a multi-layered strategy. But I want to ask about the future. Smartphone sales are plateauing globally. Everyone who wants a smartphone already has one. How does Apple continue to grow revenue? Lucas: That's the billion-dollar question. The answer is that they have to get people to upgrade more frequently, or they have to increase the average selling price further, or they have to expand services revenue. Probably all three. And that's where new features like AI — Apple Intelligence — come in. If they can make a compelling case that the latest chip is needed for on-device AI, that could drive an upgrade cycle. Luna: Or they could raise prices again. The iPhone 17 Pro Max could be thirteen ninety-nine. Would people pay that? Lucas: I think they would, if the perceived value is there. The key is that Apple has to keep innovating in ways that matter to consumers. If the new feature is just a slightly better camera, people may not bite. But if it's a genuinely new capability — like augmented reality glasses that require an iPhone to work — then the iPhone becomes a hub, and the pricing power increases. Luna: So the pricing strategy is not static. It's constantly being adjusted based on market conditions, competitive moves, and consumer psychology. And at the center of it all is a very disciplined approach to capturing value. Lucas: It's a masterclass in pricing. And it's one of the reasons Apple is the most valuable company in the world. Luna: You know, it's funny — we've done ninety-nine episodes of this show and we've never talked about the most obvious example of pricing power. I'm glad we finally got to it for our hundredth. Lucas: Yeah, it felt like a natural choice. And honestly, I think we could do a whole other episode just on the services pricing — Apple Music, iCloud, the App Store commission. But that's for another day. Luna: Speaking of the show — we get a lot of messages from listeners saying they use these episodes in their work, whether it's pricing a product or just understanding business strategy. And I think it's worth mentioning that we keep this podcast ad-free on purpose. We don't run any sponsors, no commercials, no interruptions. Lucas: That's a choice we made early on. We want the conversation to be the product, not the ad inventory. And if you find value in it — if these episodes have helped you think more clearly about pricing or business — the only way to support that is through listener contributions. We have a page at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. That's it. Luna: No pressure at all. But if you can throw in a few bucks, it helps us keep the lights on and the podcast ad-free. We appreciate every single person who listens, whether you contribute or not. Lucas: So back to Apple — one more angle I want to touch on is the role of the App Store in pricing the iPhone. The thirty percent commission on in-app purchases is essentially a tax on developers, but it also makes the iPhone more valuable to consumers because it attracts the best apps. So the pricing of the iPhone and the pricing of the App Store are intertwined. Luna: That's a good point. The App Store is a platform pricing play, and it reinforces the hardware pricing. You can't have one without the other. Lucas: And if regulators force Apple to lower that commission — which has happened in some markets — it could affect the overall profitability of the iPhone ecosystem. But probably not enough to change the pricing strategy dramatically. The hardware margins are so fat that they can absorb some regulatory hits. Luna: All right, I think we've covered a lot. Let's wrap up with a key takeaway: Apple's iPhone pricing is a textbook example of value-based pricing, tiering, and ecosystem lock-in. It's not about selling the cheapest phone; it's about capturing maximum value from each customer over time. Lucas: And the lesson for any business is: don't just think about the price of your product. Think about the price architecture — how different tiers, trade-ins, and subscriptions work together to maximize customer lifetime value. Apple does that better than anyone. Luna: Thanks for listening, and here's to a hundred more episodes. Lucas: Absolutely. We'll see you next time.