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Ep. 374 - Renfield (2023) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 1: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network.
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  Speaker 2: The following podcast will contain spoilers, tangents, hot takes, and
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  Speaker 2: excessive foul language. Viewer discretion is advised enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Frightmar's podcast. I'm your host Austin Proctor
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  Speaker 3: and joining me today for episode three seventy four is
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  Speaker 3: my good friend Corey Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: Heyo, everybody, I am enough. I deserve happiness and I
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  Speaker 2: take full charge my life today.
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  Speaker 3: Such a great line from Nicholas Holt. I forgot about
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  Speaker 3: that at the end and I was like, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: you are enough Nicholas Holt. Today, on another installment of
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  Speaker 3: Vampirrel's Bites, we are discussing our modern pick Renfield from
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, a movie that goes to show Nicholas
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  Speaker 3: Cage can literally do fucking anything. Let's see where this
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  Speaker 3: lands in the nightmare index. All right, I know it's
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  Speaker 3: only been a weakish since we did afflict it, But
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  Speaker 3: have you have you watched anything?
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  Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, just can. I took a day or two
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  Speaker 2: to watch season two of Paradise, and let me tell
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  Speaker 2: you those last like two episodes. God damn, that's all
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  Speaker 2: like we have not been so excited to feel like
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  Speaker 2: we have come to an understanding of what the show
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  Speaker 2: is trying to tell you, like, oh my god, this
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  Speaker 2: is happening because of this thing. Oh like we were
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  Speaker 2: we were shouting at each other because of how excited
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  Speaker 2: we were for certain revelations to come about, because they've
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  Speaker 2: been They were building and building like a few key
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  Speaker 2: points through the entire season, and every time they brought
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  Speaker 2: it up, we would look at each other and be like,
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  Speaker 2: what the fuck is this? Who the fuck are they
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  Speaker 2: talking about? And by those last two episodes, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, the payoff feels so sweet, and they're doing
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  Speaker 2: a third season, which I mean they fucking have to
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  Speaker 2: at this point, but oh man, it's it's some real
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  Speaker 2: good TV. It I will say, it gets ultramega super
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  Speaker 2: sci fi like really quick, Like it goes from like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is like I mean, yeah, it's sci fi, but
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  Speaker 2: in sort of kind of like a vague realm of believability,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's just like full blown, like no, this
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  Speaker 2: is just full on sci fi, Like there may or
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  Speaker 2: may not be time travel, hmm okay, but they're just
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  Speaker 2: they're just casually introducing at the end of the second season.
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  Speaker 3: What is this one again? Have you? I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: It's called it's called Paradise. Yeah, what's on Disney Plus Hulu.
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  Speaker 2: It's the political murder mystery kind of who done it?
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  Speaker 2: But there's like some sci fi elements to it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay cool? Uh So that's season two is done?
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  Speaker 3: Season two is done, is done?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just just recently renewed for a season three. I
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  Speaker 2: absolutely highly recommended it. Really fucking good TV.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, anything else, No, that's been it.
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  Speaker 2: I've been mostly just playing video games.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair. Well, you know me. At this point, I come,
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  Speaker 3: I've watched too many movies. I come with a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things I've watched.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like you do a movie podcast and associate
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  Speaker 2: with people who do movie podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking. I can't believe how many I've watched since Afflicted.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually crazy. I'm not gonna go over all of these,
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  Speaker 3: but I will. I might go. I'll at least give
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  Speaker 3: ratings on them. So I did watch the New Faces
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  Speaker 3: of Death. So fun fact that screen Unseen Scream Unseen
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  Speaker 3: that I went to see last Tuesday when we recorded
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  Speaker 3: was actually Faces of Death, So I got to.
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  Speaker 2: That's fucking sick.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I got to see it a few days
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  Speaker 3: before it released, and then i'd put out my review.
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  Speaker 3: So that movie is fucking awesome. Definitely better than the
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  Speaker 3: original in my opinion. It does involve the original in
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  Speaker 3: some capacity, but it's not like necessary to view the original.
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  Speaker 3: You can keep up with this one. So that one
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  Speaker 3: was really good. I don't want to go in.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Faces of Death, do you know how bummed
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  Speaker 2: I am that the closest theater to me is in
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  Speaker 2: another state that's showing it what it's really Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: like an hour twenty seven to that theater, or I
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  Speaker 2: could drive two hours to Richmond.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my wow, that's I mean, I guess it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's an independent film, so that makes sense. But damn dude. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if only I had a screener. Then I watched a movie.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't a horror movie, but I'll be damned if
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  Speaker 3: it's not horror adjacent. It's called Killers from two twenty
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  Speaker 3: fourteen and is actually directed by Timo Chaianto if I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying that correctly. Uh. He directed the VHS two segment
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  Speaker 3: The Cult One fucking safe Haven, and he also directed
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  Speaker 3: the and.
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  Speaker 2: That's the that's the that's the one with.
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  Speaker 3: All the cult. It's the like the Indonesian cult.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So he directed that. He also directed The Subject from
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  Speaker 3: VHS ninety four, which is the one about that battle
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  Speaker 3: robot he's putting together and then was interesting and then
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  Speaker 3: also directed by Chemo Stambo. Well, he directed The Queen
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  Speaker 3: of Black Magic from twenty nineteen, which we fucking love.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And he did The Elixir from last year, which was
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  Speaker 3: a really fun zombie movie. So and it's also from
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  Speaker 3: the producers of The Raid. Like, this movie was incredible,
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  Speaker 3: very dark and disturbing, but it was just beautiful at
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  Speaker 3: the same time. I highly recommend that I don't see
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  Speaker 3: it streaming, and oh it's on two B and plex,
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  Speaker 3: you can stream it there. I gave it a four
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  Speaker 3: and a half. That was a crazy movie. Watched Bumblebee.
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  Speaker 3: I'm almost done with the fucking Transformers movie. Bumblebee was
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  Speaker 3: actually fucking awesome. It was so much better than the
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  Speaker 3: last two movies. Four Stars showed Gabby the host Bung
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  Speaker 3: June Hose creature feature from two thousand and six. She
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  Speaker 3: loved it four stars from me, and then, of course
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  Speaker 3: I'm still on my true crime kick. I watched something
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  Speaker 3: called I'll Be Gone in the Dark, which is about
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  Speaker 3: the Golden State Killer. It was a he went on
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  Speaker 3: like a what is like a twelve year tear of
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  Speaker 3: just like raping and murdering people and didn't get caught
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  Speaker 3: until like the late twenty ten wild shit. Trust me,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a False Prophet, which is about the FLDS. If
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: you don't know about the fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, they're
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  Speaker 3: They're fucking insane, they're nuts. Gave that one a four star,
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  Speaker 3: gave I'll Be Gone in the Dark four and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Then this is These are the two I'm most excited
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  Speaker 3: to talk about right here. Minie's Midnight Massacre brand new
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  Speaker 3: for this year, twenty twenty six. It is what exactly
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  Speaker 3: what you think it is. It's Mini Mouse slasher movie.
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  Speaker 3: I think we need to cut it out with these
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  Speaker 3: at this point. I'm all for the the pooniverse as
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  Speaker 3: they as they've dubbed it, like the Winnie the Pooh
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  Speaker 3: Blood and Honey Bambi the Reckoning. I'm all there for that,
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  Speaker 3: but specifically with Mini and Mickey Mouse we have to
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  Speaker 3: cut it out. We have five different Mickey Mouse movies
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  Speaker 3: and now we have a mini Mouse movie. I'm fucking
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  Speaker 3: tired of these. They're all awful, except for scream Screamboat
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  Speaker 3: was actually a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: But it's punk music as movies. They're they're just doing
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  Speaker 2: it to to to do it and like causeruckis right,
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  Speaker 2: like that's it's it's anti authoritarian Disney fuck the Mouse,
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  Speaker 2: Like I get it. I get it, and you know what,
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  Speaker 2: more power to them. You don't have to watch them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just saw it on two B
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  Speaker 3: and I saw twenty twenty six and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm on, you know, I'm on the hunt for every
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  Speaker 3: new movie this year. So I watched it, and then
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  Speaker 3: Netflix dropped a new creature feet well shark movie, my
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  Speaker 3: Creature Future whatever called Thrash, and it's it's literally crawl
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  Speaker 3: but with sharks and not done half as good. It
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  Speaker 3: was terrible because when you involve a Category five hurricane
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  Speaker 3: as a Floridian I'm looking for every single fucking fault,
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  Speaker 3: and there were plenty of faults because a Category five
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  Speaker 3: hurricane what people might not no it is sustained winds
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  Speaker 3: of one hundred and fifty miles an hour minimum, not
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  Speaker 3: including gusts, and people are just like outside and it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of briskly windy, and I'm like, I'm you can't
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  Speaker 3: say a category five and not have and not have
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  Speaker 3: legs blowing atrociously.
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  Speaker 2: Like most Floridians evacuate for that A category five is
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  Speaker 2: like no joke, Like eighty five percent of the state
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  Speaker 2: is fucking evacuating at that point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're if you're on the coast, you're getting out.
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  Speaker 3: If you're inland, it's gonna be rough. But you know, nonetheless,
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  Speaker 3: it just it wasn't great. The characters were all so
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  Speaker 3: unlikable and like there were just so many questionable, questionable decisions,
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  Speaker 3: like people weren't boarding up windows. I saw one montage
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  Speaker 3: of sandbags. People were just sitting on their couch like
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  Speaker 3: nothing was about to happen. This isn't this isn't a
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  Speaker 3: fucking tornado where they just pop up, you know about
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  Speaker 3: hurricanes for like weeks in advance.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes like yeah, the natural born Fluoridians in US just
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  Speaker 2: kind of you hear that, and we're like, come on, man,
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  Speaker 2: come on, come on. Just taking me out of the movie, just.
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  Speaker 3: Say, hurricane, don't label it a category five because the
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  Speaker 3: fucking town would have been demolished. Because there it's a
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  Speaker 3: coastal town in like fire. They put it in like
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  Speaker 3: South Carolina, and within five minutes of the storm rolling
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  Speaker 3: up on to shore, the whole town gets flooded and
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking like six seven feet of water. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: that's so unrealistic. We're at sea level and that wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: even happen. So I don't know, but the positives of
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  Speaker 3: this one, the sharks actually did look pretty fucking decent.
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  Speaker 3: I was actually pretty impressed with that. There is some
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  Speaker 3: solid gore, but I mean there's so many plot points
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  Speaker 3: that I was like, this is this is wild. Like
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  Speaker 3: there's a daughter and her uncle. Well I guess not,
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  Speaker 3: she's not her daughter, but there was an uncle and
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  Speaker 3: her knee. The uncle's like fucked off one hundred miles
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  Speaker 3: away doing research on sharks, just leaving his niece at home.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, that's the most unrealistic thing I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: Just a lot of questionable things. So Minnie's Midnight Massacre
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  Speaker 3: got a one star, Thrash got a one and a half,
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  Speaker 3: but Netflix just dropped a brand new Taiwanese movie called Mudbourne,
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  Speaker 3: and it's really fucking good. I love Southeastern Asian movies,
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  Speaker 3: even though technically Taiwan is not included in that and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why, but they're close enough to be
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  Speaker 3: labeled Southeast Asia. It is really good and it's I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's a Netflix original, but it is available
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  Speaker 3: on Netflix. It's got a two point seven, but it
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  Speaker 3: might be people from that country, like we've just we
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  Speaker 3: had this discussion before, like yeah, like with the host.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't have the great ratings, but it and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the reviews I saw were in Indonesian like
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  Speaker 3: and I'm assuming I'm assuming they have but like the
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  Speaker 3: lord in this movie, I'm like, I've never fucking seen
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  Speaker 3: anything like this before. This is insane. So I gave
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  Speaker 3: it four.
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  Speaker 2: But it's I equate it to It's why when you
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  Speaker 2: go out to eat, you don't go somewhere where you
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  Speaker 2: can cook the same thing at home.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to a really nice Mexican restaurant, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to a ti Like you're going somewhere where you can't
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  Speaker 2: get it where you're at.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So when you.
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  Speaker 2: Get that foreign horror movie, especially that's Southeast Asian. All
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  Speaker 2: say Asian in general, fair you it, it just hits different.
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  Speaker 2: It satisfies on a level that you can't normally attain.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah and there and yeah, Asia in general for sure,
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  Speaker 3: but for me specifically, something about Taiwan, Thailand and Indonesia,
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  Speaker 3: like those fucking horror movies just oh, they just hit.
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  Speaker 3: So I recommend that one. And then two more movies
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  Speaker 3: I saw that were new for this year, Exit eight,
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  Speaker 3: which is based off of that video game I've never played,
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  Speaker 3: but if you know the game, you'll know the movie.
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  Speaker 3: It was actually pretty incredible for taking a game that
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  Speaker 3: can be beat relatively quickly, and they added so much,
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  Speaker 3: so many layers to it, and it's totally an allegory
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  Speaker 3: for Fatherhood and it won't make sense until you watch it.
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed. It wasn't as horror as I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was gonna be, but the subtext was so thick.
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  Speaker 3: I fucking loved it. Four stars. And then Hunting Matthew Nichols,
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  Speaker 3: which is a newfound footage movie for this year or mockumentary,
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  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, very much in the
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  Speaker 3: vein of Shelby Oaks because her brother's been missing for
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  Speaker 3: twenty years or something, and she's going to look after him.
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  Speaker 3: But unlike Shelby Oaks, where it switches from mockumentary to
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  Speaker 3: traditional style filming, this is all mockumentary and the end
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  Speaker 3: the outcomes are just so wildly different. So I give
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  Speaker 3: that one a four and a half. I thought that
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  Speaker 3: one was really good. Other than that, I think that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh and then I watched Conversations with the Killer John
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: Wayne Gacy three and a half and The Ripper also
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  Speaker 3: three and a half. All those are on Netflix, the
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  Speaker 3: true crime stuff, and I still have a list of
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: stuff I need to go through. I don't know what
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: it is right now. I'm just I'm into true crime.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: It's just my fucking bread and butter right now. So
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: that was a gauntlet of movies that I have watched.
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  Speaker 3: And this weekend we're going to see The Mummy. Lee
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  Speaker 3: Cronin's The Mummy, which is exciting.
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  Speaker 2: I am hype for that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very hyped for The Mummy, and especially after what
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  Speaker 3: he did with Evil Dead Rise. I know that is
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  Speaker 3: very very divisive among fans, but I really enjoyed it,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: so I am really interested to see his take on
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: another iep that's existed for you know, quite some time.
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  Speaker 2: So it was really funny because when we saw the trailer,
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  Speaker 2: Jesco was like, oh, why are they redoing the Mummy
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  Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: no no, no, no, no no no it's no no, no, no no,
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  Speaker 2: it's not the Mummy. It's Lee Kronin's the Mummy. Like
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  Speaker 2: there's it. The that that name qualifier is doing a
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: huge amount of lifting there, yep, to too differentiate. It
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  Speaker 2: is no way to be Brendan Fraser related.
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  Speaker 3: Or even the original Mummy with fucking Boris Karloff. No,
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  Speaker 3: not even close.
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  Speaker 2: No, this is this is a different thing. It's just
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  Speaker 2: using the monster.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have I have forgotten to mention my cult
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: movie challenges, but I will do that on the next
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  Speaker 3: episode because I've already gone through entirely too many movies.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: But I forgot to do one last week, and and
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: I was gonna do this one this week, but we're
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  Speaker 3: already at about fifteen minutes and I want to get
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: into the movie. Uh so yeah, when I next week.
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  Speaker 3: I'll also update everybody on the Mummy and what I
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  Speaker 3: thought about it. I don't think anything else is releasing
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  Speaker 3: this weekend as far as horror, but I know May
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  Speaker 3: there's some stuff coming out. So with all that being said,
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  Speaker 3: let's move on to the body counts, all right. So
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: this is Renfield from twenty twenty three, released on April
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  Speaker 3: fourteenth of that year in the US. Rateed R for
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  Speaker 3: bloody violence, some gore. I'd argue there's a lot more
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: than some language throughout in some drug use, no sex
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  Speaker 3: and nudity, severe violence and gore, severe profanity, mild alcohol,
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  Speaker 3: drugs and smoking, and moderate frightening and intense scenes coming
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  Speaker 3: in at only an hour and thirty three minutes. Listed
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  Speaker 3: as an action comedy, fantasy horror directed by Chris McKay.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: He also directed the Lego Batman Movie and The Tomorrow War.
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  Speaker 3: Written by two people, Ryan Ridley, he wrote twenty five
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: episodes of Community and ten episodes of Rick and Morty.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: And then we have Robert Kirkman, who wrote one hundred
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: and seventies seven episodes of The Walking Dead and one
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: hundred and thirteen episodes of Fear the Walking Dead. Uh
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: didn't even know there were that many fucking episodes of
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Fear the Walking Dead composed by Marco Beltrami. This man
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  Speaker 3: has worked. Hey composed Scream one through four and Scream seven,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: but no one cares about that. A Quiet Place one
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  Speaker 3: and two, and the entire Fear Street trilogy, plus a
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  Speaker 3: multitude of other things. I didn't have time to mention
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  Speaker 3: cinematography by Mitchell Amundsen, who also did the cinematography for Transformers,
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  Speaker 3: the original Wanted and Odd Thomas. Then we have edit
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  Speaker 3: edited by by three fucking people here, Zene Baker edited
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  Speaker 3: Observe and Report This is the End, and Thor Ragnarok,
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Folseley he did Cabin Fever, Club, Dread, and then
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  Speaker 3: The Adams Family.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: To Electric Boogaloo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that one, the Inves, the Investors, Revenge, the animated,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the animated one, whatever. Then we have g and Carlo Ganziano,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: who also edited sixty one episodes of South Park starring
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Nicholas Holt as Renfield, who, funny enough, was also in
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  Speaker 3: Nosferatu as Thomas Hutter the Rocket.
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  Speaker 2: I did make mention of that, Yeah, we were watching.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot about that. It's like, oh, yeah, he wasn't
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  Speaker 3: like Nicholas Cage's Dracula. I'm not telling you who he
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: is because you should know this man Aquafina as Rebecca.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: She was also in The Farewell as Billy, which is
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: a beautiful movie, very sad, but I think she became
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: popular in Crazy Rich Asians. Then we've got Ben Schwartz
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: as Tedward Lobo. Everyone knows him from Parks and Reck.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: He was in twenty episodes as John Ralphieo Sapristine. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: then this is a mouthful chore Agdella Shoe as Bella
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Francesco Lobo who was also in the Exorcism of Emily
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Rose as doctor Adonnie, something that we've covered. I did
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: not know how bad this movie bombed sixty five million
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: dollar budget worldwide box office gross of twenty six point five.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: They didn't even make half of their money back.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I mean I supported it in the theater.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I supported it too. I can't believe this movie failed.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: It's Nick Cage as Dracula.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: What else did That's that's okay, That's that's why. That's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: why it failed, because I think everybody has had gotten
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to the point where, like the memification of Nick Cage happened,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: and then no one could really take him all. That's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: like he had just finished doing the incredible weight of
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: unbearable talent where he plays himself playing a secret agent
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: going to stop a cartel or whatever, and then Pedro
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Pascal knows him as Nick Cage and it was just
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: like Nick Cage, fan service to Nick Cage.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: But I mean, this is also coming off of the
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: heels of Mandy Color Out of Space, Willie's Wonderland leg
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: He did three pretty pretty fucking solid horror movies before this,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: So yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: But I will also say that those three movies kind
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: of niche, little tiny bit niche.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mandy is definitely pretty niche.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: It's a very super cosmic and.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Panos it's Panos Cosmados Baby, he's fucking brilliant filmmaker. Oh
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: my god. But yeah, that is very niche. You're right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: So maybe that's why it bombed because the people like
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: me who are like, it's Nick Cage's Dracula, what else
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: do you need? The opposite is like, yeah, it's Mick
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Cage's Dracula. I don't want that, So maybe that's why
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: it failed. Yeah, you can watch this on Peacock movies
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: that came out around the same time. We've got Shazam,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Fury of the Gods, Clock Murder Mystery two, Boa is
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Afraid nefarious, The Pope's Exorcist, Guardians of the Galaxy three,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: which is also probably another reason this one did not
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: do well, and The Little Mermaid, which made about half
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: a billion dollars and Fast X. So those three movies
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: brought in heaps of money. I'm not surprised this didn't
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: do well. IMDb summary. Renfield Dracula's torture. Henchman is forced
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: to capture prey for his master and do do his
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: do every bit, do his every bidding God. But now,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: after centuries of servitude, Renfield is ready to see if
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: there is life outside of his boss's shadow. Let's roll
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: into the autopsy, all right, Corey, overall thoughts on Renfield.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: You said you saw this in theaters, right, yeah, okay,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: so this is like your second maybe third time?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I think second time?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: All right, So what do we got for overall thoughts?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So before we go into overall thoughts, Oh, here we go. Second,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: here we go. So for the briefest of moments, I
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: forgot that the DC brand came out with a ship
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: exam the franchise of movies. And when you said Shizam two,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I was like holy shit, they got Sindbad to do
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: another one. Oh that's all. I'm I'm dumb.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: That's that's all. Where has Sinbad been? Motherfucker's so funny.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: So overall thoughts on this movie is it is absolute
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: comedy gold with just enough in the background to count
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: it as horror. But man it is. It is a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: splattering good time. I love it and that's it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I love it. I do think truly this is I
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: said this on on the Afflicted episode, but this still
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: rings true here. I think this is one of the
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: most unique vampire stories, but it also has traditional lore.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: At the same time, you also have a New Orleans setting,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: a story from Renfield's perspective, and not to mention that
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: there's this whole crime family element that just adds to
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the insanity. You've got Nick Cage's Dracula. What else could
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: you possibly want? That is my overall thoughts. I do
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: want to start with the since this is Renfield, the
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: origin of Renfield, because I did some digging and I
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: did some research. So R. M. Renfield is a fictional character, obviously,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: who actually appeared in the eighteen ninety seven Bromstoker's gothic
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: novel He is counting Dracula's deranged, frantically devoted servant and familiar,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: helping him in his plan to turn Mina Harker into
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: a vampire in return for a continuous supply of insects
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: to consume and the promise of immortality. Throughout the novel,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: he resides in an asylum where he is treated by
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: doctor John Seward. Renfield has literally been around as long
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: as Dracula, one hundred and twenty nine years to be exact,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: which is wild to me. He's probably the longest running
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: character next to Dracula because the un versal monsters didn't
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: get really introduced until nineteen thirty one with Dracula, and
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I believe Frankenstein was also that year, maybe it was
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: thirty five, So it's crazy that it took one hundred
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and something years for Renfield to get his own story,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: because this is the first time a movie has told
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: dracula story through the eyes of Renfield. And that's why
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I find this to be a very unique Dracula movie
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: because it is about Dracula, but it's more about Renfield's
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: journey and getting away from Dracula. So I thought that
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: was pretty interesting. I didn't realize the character popped up
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: that far that long ago.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, neither did I, because it's been a bunt like,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: way too many years since I actually read that book.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Because it's all fucking letters, It's all.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's how it's worded is strange. So he has
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: described in the original novel as optimistic, temperamental, great physical strength,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: morbidly excitable, with periods of gloom, and then of course
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: notes Faratu would be the first unofficial adaptation of Brownstoker's
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: novel because they didn't have permission to actually make a
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Dracula movie, so they titled it nos Ferratu, And the
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: character of Renfield is actually named Knock, so he appears
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: in Nos Saratu under a different name, and it actually
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: combines him with mister Hawkins, the employer and hero Harker
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: renamed Thomas Hutter. So the character of Renfield from nineteen
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty twenty four appears in sixteen other
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Dracula movies, six TV series and has various names like Ludwig,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Milo Renfield, Thomas Renfield, Percival Renfield, which I really like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Frank Renfield, and then Robert Montague Renfield from this movie,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and then It's funny because Robert Eggers actually paid homage
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: to the original nose Ferratu no Shock there by calling
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: that character Knock as well. So the Renfield character in
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Robert Eggers is the same name as the original nose Fore.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So just like I need to rewatch that movie.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I just rew well. So I did the original and
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: then I did a documentary, and then I did Eggers,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: and watching all three of those together, I was like,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: this is good shit Eggers did. Eggers did such an
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: incredible job with that. And if you've never seen Shadow
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: of the Vampire, I highly suggest you watch that because
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: it is a film about making No Sharatu. It's like
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: a film about making a film, and it's fucking great. So,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and they recreate a lot of the shots from the
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: original movie. It's very good. So the story of how
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Renfield and Dracula come to be partners is the same,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: but we get to see why Renfield is devoted to
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: this vampire. Dracula is the last person that Renfield has
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: left in the world, and in a world that has
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: moved around him for two hundred years, maybe part of
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Renfield feels like he owes Dracula something for giving him immortality.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: After decades of serving Dracula, Renfield finds himself suddenly struck
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: by his con and the sneaking suspicion that his boss
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: might be something of a narcissist. Do you think so?
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Renfield gives a character that is meant to be a horrifying,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: cruel monster a more humane touch as they dress him
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: in pastels from Macy's and hinted the possibility of falling
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: in love with a human woman. The film doesn't let
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: you forget that Renfield's mortality, sorry morality a skewed though
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Dracula's reminders of Renfield's abandonment of his former family, his greed,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: and his inability to do most tests correctly and without death.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Through all this, though, we see that Renfield is trying
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: to be a better person, or at least a less
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: murderous one. Whether Renfield is a good person or not
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: is not the point of the story. Rather, finding the
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: freedom to be independent is the heart of this story.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: So that is kind of the background of Renfield as
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: a character into this adaptation here. So with all of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: that being said, I think this is a movie that
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: sounded very weird on paper. I don't know about you,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: but I think this was a huge swing that work,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: but apparently not at the box office.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: See and I and see. For me, I think on
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: paper it makes more sense on paper than it does
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: on screen.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I think somebody on paper was like, yo, let's make
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Nicholas Holt, notorious from Skins, the most aloof member of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that cast for many years. Let's make him a meek,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: weird guy and act him against Nicholas Cage playing Dracula,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and see what the fuck happens?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, And then and then they.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Did some testing and they were like, okay, yeah, let's
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: write a movie around this. I think I think on
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: paper it was like, oh yeah, no, that that makes
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: total sense. And then they got it on screen and
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: they were like, well.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: See, and I love when this happens, because for me,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, if on paper, it's a modern
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: day retelling of Dracula told from the of his familiar
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: with action and comedy and buckets of gore, not really
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: present in most Dracula adaptations. Yeah, sure there's blood and stuff,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: but the action in the comedy like this movie is
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: just really not a thing in most you know, Dracula movies.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I think it's a risky mix, but it isn't just
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: an interesting concept to me. It fully commits to everything.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: It doesn't half step in between tones. It goes all
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: the fucking and sometimes it works beautifully. Sometimes it's a
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: little messy, but I think I don't think it's ever boring.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: There is a little bit too much going on at times.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I think they were they were trying to do just
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: a little too much with the whole cop aspect and
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: the crime family. But I think by the end of it,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: it all came together very well, at least for me,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: because it did kind of seem like it was getting
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: a little strange there for a bit.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna say sure yes to all of that. However,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it could be instantly fixed with just no Aquafina.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Not a fan of Aquafina, I not, not really, not really.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: She has the same tone in goddamn everything. Yeah, Like
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: she may have a different name than Aquafina, but she's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: just being Aquafina in the movies. And I mean, fine,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: it's your brand.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: People like it, do you. Yeah, She's not for me. Yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not like, I don't necessarily love her, but I
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily dislike her. She the first thing I remember
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: seeing her in was a movie called The Farewell and it's,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: like I mentioned before, it actually is a very beautiful
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: movie and she that's probably one of the few movies
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: she plays a different character, well different than the typical
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: role she plays. But yeah, I mean she she kind
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: of is. It's not a one note actor. But it's like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: who's the It's like Ryan Reynolds, he's this, he's great,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: but he's the same fucking thing in every movie, like
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: he has.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm starting to feel that way about him too.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's just that's who he is. And I'm like, yeah,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: we're I'm kind of getting ald tired of this that
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: the stick at this point because.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Aside from being an extra force to tie him to
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Teddy Lobo, like she she doesn't really have a whole
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: lot of like push in this movie. Like you can
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: still get Renfield tied up with Teddy Lobo by going
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to the bar and just have you know, one of
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the support group people asked to meet Renfield at the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: bar for something and boom, there you go.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because the only tie that Aquafina has is that
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the crime family has her sister. I mean, that's really it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: You could you could literally get rid of that entire
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: storyline and the movie would work just good, if not bad.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: And she's the uncorruptible, so they want to try and scare,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: but like they could just be out terrorizing and it
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: works just as well.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Exactly. I totally agree with that. So she, you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of whatever on her in this movie. Obviously.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Renfield here though, is the highlight. He is the main character,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: and typically he is just a side character in these movies.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: He's a weird little guy in a jail cell eating bugs,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: talking about the master. But now he's the protagonist, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: more importantly, he is a victim. The movie reframes his
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: relationship with Dracula as something very very modern. It's not loyalty,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: it's abuse. He's being gas lit. He's in this toxic
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: relationship where he's being manipulated into serving Dracula, and this
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: is made evident in the beginning of the movie when
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: he has the chance to rid the world of Dracula,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: like in the opening fucking scene, as he has him
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: try in that circle of protection and Dracula basically says
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: that Renfield needs him. You're I'm your only friend. Fucking
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: gas lit like, and then he ends up saving, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: then he ends up saving, so he could have rid
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: the world of Dracula knowing that, but I think at
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that point he still wasn't sure. That's why by the
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: end of the movie, when he's trapped in that circular
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: protection again, he's like, all right, I'm not letting this
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: happen a second time. We're gonna do whatever we can
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to demolish Dracula. So but I love that he's attending
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: support groups, trying to unpack his situation, trying to figure
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: out what autonomy even looks like after decades of servitude.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: And I think it works because of Nicholas Holt. I
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: do feel he's I don't know if he's underrated, I
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: don't know, but he's a great actor. And he plays
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Renfield with just enough awkwardness and sincerity that you believe,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: like you buy into the struggle that he's having.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of like British Michael Sarah's old brother. Okay,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: all right, Like the awkwardness is there, but he was
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the first kid, so he's got a little bit.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: More swaggered too, right, very good comparison. I love that.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: But what's funny is it's like less than this is
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: less than like serving to Dracula. It's more like an
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: employee who can't quit his job. And then of course
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: you have the boss. And let's just say it, Nicholas
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Cage as Dracula is exactly what this movie needed. But
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I will say before, like when we got the announcement
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: that this was happening, my mind went in two directions.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I was like, can Nicholas Cage actually do this? But
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I'm also very excited to see what he can do
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: with this. And I saw one picture of him behind
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: the scenes with the fully in makeup and he was
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: not striking a pose, but he was walking and I said, oh,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: this is gonna be good. Yeah, there's no way.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: So like there was there was the split for me.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, he could throw us a huge curveball
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: and do like put in the effort that he did
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: for like leaving Las Vegas right, or it could be
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Dracula in con Air.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: We don't know, Yeah, like how much Cage are we
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: gonna get here? You know there's there's a sliding scale.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are we gonna Are we gonna get Niki Coppola
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: or are we gonna get Nicholas Cage, like who's coming out?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like raising Arizona or Fucking Mandy, because those are
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: wildly different performances. And like the thing is is, I
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: don't think he really reinvents it, but he does modernize
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: it in a pretty felt away because he almost goes
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: full classic, very theatrical, almost Bela Lagosi inspired old school
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: vampire energy, but filtered through Nicholas Cage's brain. And the result,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to me is a perfect perfect mix of menace, camp
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: and complete unpredictability, like you you have no idea?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like only Nicholas Cage's Dracula would think to take
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: over the world.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Right, because that's really not the case in most vampire movies.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: They just want they just mean blood and and.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: They want like the one person.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah so they but like total world domination only would
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: happened through through Nick Cage. And every time he's on
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: screen the movie wakes up. There's such a way to
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: his performance, but also the sense that you know things
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: could go completely off the rails at any moment, and
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: that's exactly how Dracula should feel. I truly think he
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: just did such a wonderful job and this is exactly
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: what happens when you give Nicholas Cage full permission to
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: be Dracula, I'm sure and I wonder this too. With
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of performances with Nicholas Cage, I I believe
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I talked to Jenna Canal, who is from the Terror
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: from the First Terrifier and was also in this movie
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: as one of the support group members. It was an
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: episode a couple of years back where we talked about
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Nicholas Cage and the small amount of time she interacted
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: with him, and I'm pretty sure at one point they
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: were talking to Nicholas Cage and he was like, you know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: like how how how much? How much do you want
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: me to go into this? And they were like just
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: full blown into it, and he's like, oh, okay, so
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: you you want the you want the full Cage experience,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Like I got it. I'm pretty sure that's what we
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: were talking about. I'd have to go listen to it,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: but yeah, he's just it's just so good. I was
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: watching it last night. I think this was the third
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: time I had watched it, and I'm fucking cackling every
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: single time he pops up. He plays this such a
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: razor thin line of being completely horrifying, but I'm I'm
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: kind of also you're kind of funny at the same time. Yeah,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: like you didn't get that vibe. Oh yeah, no.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that I said was he's
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: getting mileage out of those prosthetic gums and fangs. Just
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: like every chance he get, he is like babboon grit
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: like folding his fucking teeth, like lips back so you
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: can get all up in that mouth. Like he was
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: doing that almost more than talking.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is great. And he's got the you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: a little bit longer fingers and the nails, the hair
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: slicked back, and he really proves that he can be
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: funny and then immediately unsettling, which reinforces the central idea
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: of the movie. As Dracula as a monster, he's a manipulator.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And the manipulation is where the movie's themes really start
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: to come through here, because at its core, Renfield is,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: you know, being stuck in a toxic relationship that is
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: actively destroying you. As I mentioned a few minutes ago,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: he isolates Renfield. He convinces him that everything is his fault,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: that he needs him. I mean, this is textbook emotional abuse,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: and the movie doesn't just use that as the background,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: It builds the entire story around Renfield trying to break
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: free from it. Like, I never thought there would be
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: this much subtext in a Dracula movie and commentary on
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: real things that people experience.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: And in a Dracula comedy movie, right, Like there is
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: no need for the story to go so deep and
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: what is essentially a full blown blood bath of insanity.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: But here we are, you know, yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: That would be like Twilight commenting on wealth inequality. Like
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: it just doesn't really fit.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: It doesn't fit, but here it fits perfectly in here
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: because there's a surprising amount of sincerity, like under all
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the gore in comedy, it's a story about reclaiming yourself
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and who you are instead of letting someone else tell
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: you who you are, which I find fascinating. I mean,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: in Brinfield, I think he was ninety years about what
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: he said. He's been in this toxic relationship for ninety
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: fucking years. I mean, you're My heart goes out to Ranfield.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I was in a toxic relationship for like
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: two years and that was enough. I couldn't I can
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: imagine doing it for ninety I.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Got so You've mentioned it a few times, and I
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: would like to go into this a little bit. The
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: gore and the blood. My god, the choreography of this
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: movie to lead up to the blood and gore is
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: so fucking sick, Like like these fight scenes. I'm just
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: sitting there like John Wick, who like, god damn, beating
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a man with his own arms is next fucking level.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: And just everybody getting thrown around and like chopping a
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: man's arms off with a fucking dinner plate, like, oh,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: it's so well, and that's it's just so good and
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: it flows so like they fit so many fight scenes
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: into this movie, like oh yeah, a matrix level of
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: fight scenes in this movie.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Which is crazy because that was actually like my next point,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: because it is a horror comedy, but the movie goes
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: like when it goes violent, it goes fucking violent. You know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: we're talking flying lembs, bodies, exploding fights that feel more
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: like looney tubes filtered through a fucking R rating. It is.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: It's insane. I mean the opening to this movie, you
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: get to see Nicholas Cage as Dracula turn into bats,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: turn into smoke, go into the priest's mouth and he
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: fucking explodes. I was. I was like, Okay, I know
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: what I'm getting into for this movie. If this is
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: the level that we're maintaining, I am fucking in for
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: this movie.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: If I had that power, amongst the myriad of others,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that's the only way I would kill people. That's like
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: like smoke, internal explosion. Yeah, no, fuck, Like that's the
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: most terrifying.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: That is horrifying. Uh and that and Gabby mentioned this
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: on the Fright Night episode, but that actually was a
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: character from Fright Night all grown up as playing the
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: priest who got exploded. Uh. But what's funny is like
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: the movie is not trying to be grounded in these moments,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and it's so it's fascinating because in so many cases
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: it is grounded with the subtext and the themes, but
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: then you get to this heightened violence and it's just
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: leaning into the excess, like let's just go. And that's
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: probably where the sixty five million dollar budget comes in.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was very much like once the
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: action scenes happened, it was like, okay, we'll take the
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: collar off now, like well, whoah, we'll let the pit
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: bull go and just let and just let it fucking
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: do its carnage and then all even gotta put the
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: collar back and like take it over to the next area.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: But then it's like, all right, collar off.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: To And I think one of the most subtle change
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: not changes, but one of the coolest things they did
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: with Renfield is that you know, he eats bugs for
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the most part and every other iteration, and they use
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: that here to give him the powers of Dracula, which
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: was such a great touch. I love that, you know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: he has to eat a bug, he gets Dracula's powers
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: for a bit, and that's how he's able to do
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: all this superhuman shit.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: And it seems like size of the bug gives.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: It does size of the power. It does seem like
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that because fucking Teddy Lobo at one point or whatever
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: his name is, like sniffs of milliped up his nose
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: when that final battle happens at their at their estate,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh God, and then all of
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: the other you know, gangsters come out and they're all
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: they've all got, you know, Dracula powers as well, which
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: is which is fucking wild, but I think.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Which it also is kind of funny to me because
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: in that moment, you know, when everybody's special. Nobody's special, right,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: and it it kind of it almost in the most
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: comedic way, invalidates all of Renfield's powers and shit because
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, Dracula can do this to anybody.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: You're You're really not all that special right where, And
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: it almost feels like he is special because Dracula has
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: chosen to torment this guy. Dracula can torment anybody, right,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: but he chose to torment Renfield.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Right, and he makes him feel so inferior by giving
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: that power to all of those people. And it's a
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: it's a very and I love the moment too, where
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: you know, Teddy's like, oh, dracula powers are awesome, and
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Renfield's like, yeah, they come with a cost though, and
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: then he realizes that in that moment, and then you
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: get one of the just the best scenes I think
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: in the movie. And the CG in some instances is
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: a little wonky, but it's forgivable because of how ridiculous
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: it is. He gets kicked in the stomach and you
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: cut to that X ray shot.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Of all the Mortal Kombat and then he.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Vomits and shits at the same time. You're just like
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, Yeah, like, I know that is.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: The most CG liquid I've ever seen, but because of
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: how you did it, it's fucking hilarious. Like I will
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: take bad CG if it's bad and genuinely funny, right,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: but I will not take bad CIG when it's meant
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: in earnest.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're exactly if it's if it's a little gumby,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: but you're doing wild shit. Like the whole scene too,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: when Renfield rips off the CoP's arms and he's just
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: smacking him around with his own arms. I'm like, this
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: doesn't look great, but it's fucking hilarious.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I know, I know he's holding big green
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: foam bats, right, but I don't care because this, like
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: beating a man to death with his own arms or
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: in action movies, any of his own body parts, Yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: is automatically the most awesome thing you can do. In
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the moment it goes like, beat a man to death
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: with his own body parts, walk away from explosions without
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: looking like that's that's as cool as it gets.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one and two, that's it. And you know there
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: are some tonal shifts of course in this movie. You
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: have the like we were talking about, you gotta put
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: the collar back on, And I feel like that's where
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: it wobbles just a bit. You know, you go from
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: serious to hilarious to full blown chaos. Then there's multiple stories,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: and I think that is might be why people are
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: turned off from this movie, because it doesn't have that
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: great of ratings, to be honest. But and and that's
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: where I think the movie either wins you over or
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: loses you. I can look past some of the things
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: that I don't really like just because I'm having so
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: much fun. Sure, the aquafine storyline kind of unnecessary. The gangsters,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, it works, but I think it's kind of like,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think we needed to include all of the gangsters.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: It literally could have just been Teddy Lobo and his
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: mom and that, you know, Like so I think I.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Think that I think the reason that they couldn't do
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Teddy Lobo and his mom only is because it would
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: feel way too much like kick Ass.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Ah. I didn't even think about that.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Because like, it's not New York, it's uh New Orleans. Yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: but like Gangster's super kingpin parent spoiled rich ass child
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: fighting against the quote unquote superpowered protagonist who's going through
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: his own shit with Nicholas Cage.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he is in that movie. Oh shit, right,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: he's in that movie, right, kick ass is Yeah, okay,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: all right, that makes sense. Then that makes sense. Very
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: good point, very good point. So it's not a perfectly
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: clean movie. And I think the biggest issue is focused.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: You know, it can be. There's a lot of storyline
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: is kind of competing for attention, and they don't all
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: feel equally developed. Sometimes it's like a character study, then
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: it's an action movie, then it's a satire. So the
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: transitions between those are a little little wonky. But at
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: the same time, for me at least, I do think
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: the messiness is part of the charm. It's it's throwing
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: a lot at the wall, and I would say about
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: ninety percent of it is sticking to the wall. And
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, for sure, I am absolutely satisfied.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: What And like you said, with the tonal shifts being wonky,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: that's kind of why they work is because it's not
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: like a jarring tonal shift, right, Like the scene before
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the tonal shift is at least going to halfway lead
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: into the tonal shift.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So like Dracula comes in and kills the entire support group,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: and then you get the tonal shift of the unsteady
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: relationship between Aquafina and Renfield to establish the tonal shift
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: later of them becoming friends. Like it. It works. It's
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: just drunk.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: That is the perfect way to put it. It's like
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: a drunk man narrating you a story. It's not really
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: gonna make sense, but it is a lot of You'll.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Get there and it'll be fun.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: You'll get there and it'll be fun. Some other some
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: random notes that I have that I want to kind
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: of go through. I think I hit all of my
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: main points about the story. Oh yeah, the last thing
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I wanted to say about the full story is I
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: just love how this takes a character that's usually overlooked
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: gives him a full arc, a real struggle, and a
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: reason to exist beyond Dracula. And honestly, it's one of
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: the most entertaining Dracula movies performances in quite some time.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Because Dracula movies are pretty formulaic. You have the ones
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: that stand out, you know what we do in The
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Shadow Afflicted. You have these movies that definitely stand out
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: from the pack with Dracula, but they are a lot
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: of them are just very formulaic, and I love this
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: one for doing something just so wildly different. I do
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: especially love, though, the recreation scenes from the nineteen thirty
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: one Dracula movie that they do with Nicholas Cage and
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: or sorry, oh yeah, Nicolas Cage and Nicholas Holt. They
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: do a couple of them, and they're fucking incredible black
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: and white on the big staircase. That was amazing. I
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: loved seeing those. I remember seeing those in theaters and
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, we're we're going here, Okay, We're
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: We're like yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: And when I saw it in theaters the first time,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I thought, especially the one on the staircase, I was like, oh,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: they got permission to use the og. Yeah. And then
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: and then the next one happened and it was like
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Nicholas Cage, Nicholas Holt, and I'm like, oh no, they
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: just redid it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: They redid it. I also love that opposed to most
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Dracula films, which are dark and gothic and brooding, did
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: you notice like how bright and vibrant this movie is.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Like in that club where they all get attacked, There's
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: so many places in this movie, you know, like Renfield department.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: It's such a bright like vampire movie. It's the complete off.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: So so you've got you've got Renfield's life, which he's
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: trying to make brighter and more human and more alive.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: But even in the dark Dracula bit, it's all like
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: new Goth like it's that like bright colors like those,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: like it's almost cyber goth Dracula. Oh I like that
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: just but then you get, you know, the the classic
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Gothic Dracula. But I think that's why they when they
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: had him as the creepy skin mon version is when
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: they started introducing those colors, right, so they could be like, yeah,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: it's almost a visual visual cue to me of this
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: ain't your Grandma's Dracula.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's a.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: We're we're we're just a little bit different Dracula because
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: they're because of the colors that they're using. Even like
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I loved the fucking Giant Throne of sipped blood bags.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Oh that was so great, but it was so fucking
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: cool because like did he drink those blood bags or
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: were they empty blood bags? That Renfield was just like, no,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: this is the perfect touch, Like how did those get there?
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I want to know the decoration side of this hospital.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: And I really love too that you you see him,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: you know, he gets burnt by the sun and the opening,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: and I also really love they established that he can
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: turn into he can turn into smoke. Sunlight affects him
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: all within the first few minutes, and he's just this wretched,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: decrepit creature that slowly cut like you know, gets back
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: to full power, which is something I mean, I'm sure
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: there's iterations out there that do something like this, but
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: usually Dracula's just Dracula and then he burns up by
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: the end or whatever. So seeing him and what did
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: he say when Renfields he's on the ground and he's
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: all skin and just like bones, and Renfield says something
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: and he's like, I'm not okay or whatever he says,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: and then he goes back to this hospital where he
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: slowly starts to regain power, and then of course by
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: the end he's ready to go dressed in that right
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: red and black suit, which was such a great touch.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: So I love that you get to see him at
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: his weakest and then at his most powerful, and then
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: you have a cyclical plot. You know, at the beginning
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: of the movie, he's stuck in that circle of whatever,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: and then by the end of the movie he gets
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: stuck in it again. And then they just go ham
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: the chainsaws, hammers fucking everything, and then I think.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: They mace ale.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they literally chop him up into tiny bits and
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: throw him throw some concrete over him, because they're like,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is gonna kill him.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Not just throw some concrete over him, but turn him
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: into concrete ice cubes, so that when they pour him
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: into the fucking sewer, like, he gets scattered.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like he this might keep him at
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: bay for a while. And I like that they didn't
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: officially establish what canon can't kill him because it feels
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: like it's afflicted like he is is. He's just immortal.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's actually a way to kill him,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: especially from the beginning when he literally had skin hanging
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: off of his bones.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean he will he will eventually reconstitute, right,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: but I think it will be long after the heat
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: death of the universe.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: So sunlight obviously hurts him. His blood has healing qualities.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: He has to be invited into someone's home. Did you
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: notice anymore? Was it? Was there anything else? I don't
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: They didn't really go full into the Lord.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: No. I think I.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Don't remember any mention of garlic.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: No, but I'm I'm guessing the wooden steaks just based
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: on what the priest had. It looked like flaming wooden
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: steaks that he was shooting.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, holy water, Yeah, I don't know if they mentioned
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: holy water. I don't. I just want to.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Don't they don't they pour a jug of holy water
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: into something? Oh?
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they pour They think they pour the holy water
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: into the concrete, right, isn't that what they do? Yeah?
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so yeah, holy water.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Mentioned, holy water mentioned, and then there was one oh
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: and I and how they love how they modernized the
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: being welcomed into someone someone's home. Because Renfield's apartment has
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: that little mad outside. He's like, thank you for the
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: invitation to come in. Oh, it's so good. It's just
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: so much fun. And it brings me back to something
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: I've said. I said a lot. It's just I sometimes
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: I feel people don't know how to enjoy, just enjoy
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: a movie. It's I mean, it's Nick Cage's Dracula. You
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: should know what you're getting into. Just from that alone.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: It's and That's the thing is a lot of people
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: don't know how to enjoy Nicholas Cage. That's true, Like
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: he is, he is a very acquired taste for most people.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: That's true because he.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Is such a wide and varied range of an actor.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: You're not wrong. I mean you look at him in
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: National Treasure, and he plays that pretty straight. You know,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: he's he's he's not very cagey in that movie. You
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: look at something like Mandy, and I would say that's
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: the full level of Nicholas Cage is something like Mandy.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Could he goes fucking insane in that movie.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Or the one that I mean probably most people would
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: have him from fucking ghost Rider. Yeah, like he swings
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: both ways on that, Like you get some real straight
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Nicholas Cage, but then like just off on the next scene.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: He is wiggedy, wackeny nikky Cage.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I agree. I never saw knowing, uh, which
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a good that that movie was
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: a hunk of fuck.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a good.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: No, you should watch it because it's a hunk of
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: fucking ship. But it's a special hunk of shit, So
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: it is exactly the same energy as the Happening, okay,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: but with Nick Cage okay, and and a little bit more,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: a little bit more sci fi.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he has so many credits it's almost impossible to
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: watch every single thing he's ever done.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: He's gotta have what like like two hundred plus.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Looks like for for I mean he's got a total
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: of five hundred and thirteen credits, but one hundred and
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: twenty nine for acting specifically, so which is pretty crazy.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's still I still need to see Dream Scenario.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: I've been wanting to see that one for so long.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: That movie. That's a fun time. It does it does
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: get kind of dark, oh what it is, but it's
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: that's a fun movie. I would highly suggest it. I'm
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: pretty sure it's still on HBO.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I'm probably gonna go on a Nick Cage
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: bench here because I do. But you're right, I mean,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: he he you never really know what you're gonna get
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: with him. I just think I don't know. I guess
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I've seen enough to know that, like Nick Cage's Dracula,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I have a pretty good idea of what I'm going
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: to get. And it was pretty it was pretty spot on,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: to be honest. So I think that's all I've got
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: for Renfield. Any other any other points or things you
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: wanted to mention before we wrap up?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is I I don't think
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: I've said this too much this year, but this is
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: a this is a must watch. I would say, like
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: it's it's just a good ass time. Pair it with
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: any other vampire movie, any other Nick Cage movie. Really
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: it's but it's throw it on at the end because
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: it's a good palate cleanser, like to say, this is
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: a turn your brain off, have fun with the ride.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Like this movie isn't gonna make you really like, yeah,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: there's some real like shrink stuff going on, right, but
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: you don't have to take that with you, Like, this
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: isn't a movie that's gonna burden you, Like it's not
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: gonna hold a mirror up to you. It's let's just
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: have a fun ass time and there are no consequences,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Like that's that's what this movie is.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: If I was ever doing like a midnight you know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: like a midnight movie marathon where you where you did
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: like four movies or something like that, I would end
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: with this movie. You know, like this This would be
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: the ending movie to leave everyone on just a high
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: note because it's just so wacky and goofy. So other
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: than that, I think that's all we've got. So that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: is Renfield from twenty twenty three. Let's move on to
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: the final cut actually have three solid taglines. Sucks to
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: be him, stop serving, start living, and behind every great
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: monster is an overlook sidekick. I like all three of those. Yeah,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: those are good trivia. Despite a history of turning down
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: non leading roles in studio films, Nicholas Cage signed on
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: to play Dracula. It was a lifelong dream of his
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: to portray the legendary figure, and then the original Bromstroker's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Dracula novel, Renfield is described as being at least the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: age of fifty nine. Many adaptations, however, depict him as
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: a younger man and also having a prior connection to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Count Dracula before being locked up in the insane asylum
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: that is overlooked by doctor John Seward. The circumstances of
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Renfield meeting Dracula and falling under his control are presented
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: as an extended reference to know to how Dracula nineteen
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: thirty one depicted these events. Several key shots from the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: nineteen thirty one film are even recreated, with Holton Cage
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: in place of Dwight Fry and Bella Lagosi. Likewise, they
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: play music from Swan Lake, which is a shout at
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: the fact that the music was used for the opening
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: credits in the nineteen thirty one movie. In an interview
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: with Colleider, director Chris McKay admitted that this film is
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: actually intended to serve as a direct sequel to Todd
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Browning's Dracula from nineteen thirty one. McKay had also attempted
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: to have the film's trailers and poster refer to this fact,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: but that did ultimately not pan out. It happens, and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: this is actually a really funny one. Nicholas Cage's uncle,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Francis Fortcapbola, directed brom Circus Dracula nineteen ninety two. The
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: studio wanted Nick Kay instead of Keanu Reeves to play
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Harker, but Kabola did not want to work with
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: him after their bad experience on Peggy Sue Got Married.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: That would make me like that movie infinitely more, because
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: no offense to Keanu Reeves, he has the most fuck
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: awful accent in that movie.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: All offense meant to us because because people fucking flaming
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: him for that for years turned him into the actor
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: he is fair enough. Sometimes you got a bully Hollywood.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Oh goodness, I do have a real quick take oh
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: for you, only because you mentioned Nick Cage in a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: non leading role, which caused my brain to remember something
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: that I thought about. Sure, when Nick Cage is the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: horribly disgusting skin monster, I am almost positive that that
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: is what Osgod Perkins selected to base the makeup off
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: of Four Long Lives, because because the face shape is
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: almost exactly the same, and they both say Hail Satan.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: They do. That's right. He says Hail Satan at the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: end of both movies. That's hilarious. So shit all right.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Rated six point four out of ten on IMDb for
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: our purposes of the unimarea index. That is a three
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: point two out of five, two point nine out of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: five on Letterbox, fifty eight percent on the Tomato Meter,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: seventy eight percent audience score. The audience understood the assignment.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: What did you give the corey?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: My original scoring for it was a five out of five.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: WHOA My current scoring for it is still a five
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: out of what am and I know this doesn't counter
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: toward the Nightmare Index, but Jessica's rating for it is
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: also a five out of five.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Holy shit, Okay, well I have given it a four
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: point five. So not only is that a frightmar certified
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: slap oh man, that gives us a nightmare index of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: three point nine. We brought this from a two point
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: nine out of five to a three point nine out
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: of That's what the nightmare index is all about. I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: forgot to take a picture of where of the nightmare index,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: but three point nine is probably in the top three.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: I think there's only one movie above that. I think
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Don of the Dead is a three point seven to eight,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: and then how Sue is like a four point one,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: so this might be number two. I will have to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: get with the corrections department and get that on next
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: week's episode. But three point nine is fucking up there.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, that makes me so happy. Similar movies. According
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: to IMDb, this is where it gets really weird. The
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, I get it. Nick Cage
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: is in it, the Last Voyage of the Demeter Cool
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Not at the Cabin, day Shift, and then Abigail I
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: knock at the cabin, not seeing the connection there similar movies,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: according to Letterbox, we have Van Helsing Blade, Trinity, Abigail
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: venom Let, there be carnage and Cocaine Bear. I don't
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: know what's going on here.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe for the violence levels, I guess.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Do you have any funny reviews? Good sir?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Let me see four and lesson Eric.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: He has been watching a lot of the movies we
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: have been watching recently. All right, so I also have
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: five as I typically have. So why don't you kick
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: us off?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: A half star from Josie Martinez Aquafina is in it,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: so I it is not just me. Lots of people
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: don't like her.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. Uh what do we get? What do
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: we get three and a half stars from? In d
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: C three two zero zero two? Thought it was going
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: to be about gas lighting bosses, but it's actually a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: beautiful metaphor for the death of ska music, and I
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: don't I don't understand that. Can you provide any context?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: So okay, how how far back you want to go?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Just a brief I don't know, okay.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: So, ska is a genre of music best known for
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: its plucky guitar and horn section. Right, yeah, yeah, so
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: you know SKA. I know SCA for sure. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: So after third wave SKA, which was the SKA that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: happened in like the nineties where you got like Real
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Big Fish and the Aquabats and all of those bands,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: that's what was considered the death of SKA. That like
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: ultra commercialization into like everything's on a Tony Hawk soundtrack now,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: YadA YadA.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: So it was like the death of.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: SKA because kind of everybody stopped performing it. It hit
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: a peek and YadA YadA. But the argument, just as
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: in the nineties, it was punk's not dead. The real
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: argument is SKA is not dead because there's plenty of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: bands out there that are still making SKA. Just it's
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: in the rock genre. It's one of the lesser respected
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: subgenres of rock and punk music.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: All Right, all right, what do you got?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: A half star review from j Quizzle? What the fuck? Nicholas?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I either Nicholas, I suppose.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which one are we talking about here? Three stars
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: from Evasive. The craziest thing about this movie is that
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Aquafina is a cop. Yeah. I'm not really buying that
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: either honestly.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Five star and a heart from Star five bags of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: popcorn and a few bugcann.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: The perfect fucking food for this movie, let's see. Three
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: stars from Geaba. I want Nicholas Cage to gaslight me
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: so bad.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: A five star review from Andrew the Manned. He put
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: his whole kjusy into this film.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: No, oh, that's a good one.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: He was a very cunty Dracula.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: He served a lot of cunt Three stars from nat
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: This this one's just vulgar. Nicholas Holt can rearrange my
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: guts any day. Jesus all right.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: When a surprising review Eric Cloud, what do we got?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: What do we got?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Two stars? Oh forgot to long? The gore blood was funny,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: nothing else was.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Oh see, we almost always disagree on movies. That's why
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: I was so surprised we agreed un afflicted uh three
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: and a half from Zara. Gwen spent most of the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: movie wondering how Nicholas Holt was planning on chloroforming a
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: bus full of cheerleaders. I love that He's like, bring
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: me a bus full of cheerleaders, and then he's at
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: that bar and a bus full of cheerleaders just goes by.
• 1:10:24
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• 1:12:00
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• 1:12:13
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