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DOJ Records Raise New Questions About Lesley Groff’s Role Around Epstein · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. When it comes to Jeffrey Epstein's Corps of War,
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  Speaker 1: one of the most important people when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the operation of Epstein's empire was Leslie Groff. And she
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  Speaker 1: was in charge of a whole array of different things.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about setting up massages. We're talking about flights.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about all the logistics. And under normal circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: she would have been part of the grand conspiracy, right?
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  Speaker 1: Part of Rico. But Epstein was never charged with Rico,
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  Speaker 1: so that never occurred. But all you have to do
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  Speaker 1: is take a look at the basics, and it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: obvious that Leslie Groff was a key component to what
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was up to. Now look, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to sit here and tell you that Leslie Groff was
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  Speaker 1: abusing anybody. She was not. Not that we know of.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't have to do the actual crime to
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  Speaker 1: be part of the conspiracy. You just have to be
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  Speaker 1: part of it. Whether it's logistically, whether it's actually taking part,
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  Speaker 1: or just being adjacent. Anybody that's part of the enterprise
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  Speaker 1: is part of the whole crime. And Leslie Groff, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, and the opinion of many prosecutors and judges...
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  Speaker 1: most certainly was smack dab in the middle of that
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  Speaker 1: criminal enterprise. Meanwhile, you have Congress talking to Tom Wait.
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  Speaker 1: Now look, I get it, Ghislaine Maxwell's boyfriend, great. But
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  Speaker 1: how about Leslie Groff? How about Sarah Kellen Vickers? How
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  Speaker 1: about Adriana Ross or Nadia Marcinkova? Why not call them up?
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  Speaker 1: Why not show people you're serious? Today we have an
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  Speaker 1: article from the Stanford Advocate and the headline, Connecticut aid
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  Speaker 1: arrange victim flights massages for Jeffrey Epstein DOJ file show
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  Speaker 1: this article was authored by Nathaniel Rosenberg Leslie Groff Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's longtime executive assistant scheduled massages and coordinated dozens of
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  Speaker 1: flights around the world for victims of the disgraced convicted
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficker recently released Department of Justice document show and
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  Speaker 1: this is known we've known this for years And the
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  Speaker 1: documents just back up all the speculation. But Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: himself called Leslie Groff his brain and said he couldn't
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  Speaker 1: function without her. But it remains unknown whether the Connecticut
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  Speaker 1: resident knew about Epstein's sexual assaults, which one victim said
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  Speaker 1: once happened just on the other side of a closed
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  Speaker 1: door from where Groff was working. Come on. Does anyone
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  Speaker 1: really believe she had no idea who Epstein was or
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  Speaker 1: what he was doing? They all knew. Especially people on
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  Speaker 1: the inside. The Corp 4, Leslie Groff, Nadia Marcinkova, Adriana Ross,
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  Speaker 1: and Sarah Kellen Vickers, they all knew, and not only
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  Speaker 1: did they know, they all played their part. Whether it
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  Speaker 1: was recruiting, whether it was taking part in the abuse,
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  Speaker 1: or whether it was logistically like Groff, they all had
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  Speaker 1: a part to play, and they all played it. Victims
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  Speaker 1: interviewed by federal investigators allege that Groff scheduled massages in
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  Speaker 1: New York City where Epstein assaulted women, according to internal
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  Speaker 1: FBI summaries of those victim interviews. And it just really
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  Speaker 1: boggles the mind. If they had this much information on
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  Speaker 1: a criminal empire that was involved in regular human trafficking,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, or drugs, everybody would have been locked up.
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  Speaker 1: The accountant, the lawyer, everybody. But for whatever reason, hint hint,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to Epstein, that was never the case.
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  Speaker 1: and there was never even real interest in these women, right?
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  Speaker 1: They were given that deal, and that was the end
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  Speaker 1: of it. Oh, we'll protect them down in Florida, and
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  Speaker 1: then that'll be the end of all of it, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll never have to worry about those women talking to
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  Speaker 1: the authorities. But even then, we know that Nadia Marcinkova
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  Speaker 1: now was speaking with the authorities behind the scenes. And
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  Speaker 1: you would think with her testimony, they'd be able to
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  Speaker 1: lock everybody up. So why didn't they do it? Why
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  Speaker 1: didn't they pursue it any further? Why did they contain
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  Speaker 1: the blast radius to just Glenn Maxwell? In some cases,
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  Speaker 1: Groff allegedly paid the victims or covered their schooling expenses,
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  Speaker 1: according to a December 2019 Department of Justice memo summarizing
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  Speaker 1: nearly 50 interviews federal agents conducted while investigating potential co-conspirators
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  Speaker 1: of Epstein, including a testimony from 38 victims, nine of
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  Speaker 1: whom referenced Groff. Imagine being talked about that much by
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  Speaker 1: people that were being trafficked and you don't get arrested.
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  Speaker 1: It is so crazy. The second your name's attached to
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  Speaker 1: something like this, everybody should go down. It's an obvious conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: It's an obvious RICO case. So what the hell is
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  Speaker 1: the government doing? And why were they so reticent to
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  Speaker 1: go the extra mile? Groff, a new Cannon resident, also
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  Speaker 1: coordinated dozens of flights that brought potential victims to his
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  Speaker 1: properties around the world, according to DOJ documents, which include
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  Speaker 1: flight receipts and her emails about those bookings. So she
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  Speaker 1: brought these girls to the belly of the beast, set
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  Speaker 1: up all the flights, set up all the travel, but
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  Speaker 1: she had no idea what was going on. She thought
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  Speaker 1: that she was working for a saint, don't you know?
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  Speaker 1: A guy that's never done anything crazy ever in his life.
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  Speaker 1: A guy that gives you no signs that he's a
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  Speaker 1: degenerate pervert. Is that what she wants us to believe?
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  Speaker 1: And if you believe that, well, I think you're stupid.
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  Speaker 1: In a July 2021 sit-down with prosecutors, Groff admitted to
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  Speaker 1: booking massages for Epstein, an internal FBI report, on the
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  Speaker 1: meeting shows. She's admitted it. She admitted she's part of it.
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  Speaker 1: She's admitted that she's led these girls into the belly
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  Speaker 1: of the beast. And what came of it? Nothing. Not
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  Speaker 1: a damn thing. Why? That's the question. How come all
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  Speaker 1: these people, especially the ones that we have dead to
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  Speaker 1: rights with evidence, have gone away with it? Somebody make
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  Speaker 1: it make sense. During a separate interview in February of 2020,
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  Speaker 1: notes show that Groff's lawyer, Michael Bochner, told investigators his
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  Speaker 1: client did not know the massages were sexual, was unaware
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  Speaker 1: the girl she was booking were underage, and thought that
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  Speaker 1: when the girls mentioned class or school, they were talking
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  Speaker 1: about college. Oh, she had no idea. She didn't know,
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  Speaker 1: so it's okay. Since when is ignorance an excuse for
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  Speaker 1: breaking the law? If it doesn't work for me, it
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't work for her. But of course it will. I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm overreacting. There's nothing to see here, and
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  Speaker 1: it's all just a big conspiracy. CT Insider reviewed thousands
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  Speaker 1: of pages of DOJ documents, including emails, flight confirmations, victim interviews,
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  Speaker 1: and photographs for this story. Groff, who managed Epstein's schedule, meetings,
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  Speaker 1: and travel for nearly two decades, has consistently denied any
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of his sprawling sex trafficking operation. I'm sorry, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe her. I know it's hard to believe
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  Speaker 1: that I don't believe her, but here we are. In
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  Speaker 1: a lawsuit filed in 2021, Jane Doe claimed that Groff
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  Speaker 1: facilitated Epstein's trafficking of her by purchasing plane tickets, sending money,
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  Speaker 1: and making appointments. Doe later dismissed the lawsuit before Groff
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  Speaker 1: was required to file a response to the claims. Two
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  Speaker 1: other victims filed civil suits against Groff, but those litigations
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  Speaker 1: were also dismissed. Groff was named as a potential co-conspirator
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  Speaker 1: of Epstein's in several internal DOJ documents, which range from
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  Speaker 1: an FBI list of potential Epstein collaborators to July 2019
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  Speaker 1: emails between FBI agents and prosecutors, and appeared in more
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  Speaker 1: than 150,000 files released since last December. Now look, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to sit here and tell you that Groff
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  Speaker 1: was abusing people like I said earlier. Let's not conflate things.
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  Speaker 1: Not everybody was taking part in the abuse. Some people
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  Speaker 1: were logistics. and Leslie Groff was in charge of all
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  Speaker 1: of it. So if she was doing the same thing
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  Speaker 1: for El Chapo, do you think that she'd get this armor?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that she'd be protected the way she is?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think she'd be facing a life sentence?
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  Speaker 1: But she was never charged with a crime, and the
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  Speaker 1: lawsuits filed against her have all been dismissed. The fact
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  Speaker 1: that the U.S. Attorney's Office did not prosecute Leslie after
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  Speaker 1: she voluntarily spoke with him, answering every question posed of her,
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  Speaker 1: demonstrates clearly that she had no criminal involvement with Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: Bochner said. Leslie is simply disgusted by Epstein's conduct and
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  Speaker 1: is heartbroken by what his victims have endured. That is
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  Speaker 1: just wild. Absolutely wild. The DOJ didn't prosecute because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to blow the case open. Nice try, Bochner,
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  Speaker 1: but let's be real. We've all seen the evidence. And
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  Speaker 1: if you think for a minute that Leslie Groff wasn't
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  Speaker 1: involved logistically in creating the scheduling, bringing the girls in,
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  Speaker 1: setting them up for massages, then you're crazy. She most
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  Speaker 1: certainly was. And that puts her smack dab in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the criminal conspiracy. The internal DOJ files indicate
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  Speaker 1: that prosecutors and victims believe that Groff, who worked for
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  Speaker 1: Epstein from 2001 until his arrest and coordinated virtually all
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  Speaker 1: of his travel, had helped move his victims to his
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  Speaker 1: properties around the globe. And she'll say she had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on. Well, too bad.
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  Speaker 1: You did it, right? Man act. Prison. See you later.
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  Speaker 1: But no, here we are. Talking about it still, all
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  Speaker 1: these years later. Groff, who Epstein once described as an
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  Speaker 1: extension of his brain, worked for nearly two decades out
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  Speaker 1: of his Madison Avenue office in New York City. She
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  Speaker 1: was named as a potential co-conspirator and shielded from prosecution
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  Speaker 1: as part of Epstein's controversial 2008 non-prosecution agreement in Florida. Again,
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  Speaker 1: all to protect the operation itself. They couldn't have the
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  Speaker 1: little peons start flipping, right? Not while Epstein was alive. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: Nadia didn't start talking until later on. And if Leslie
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  Speaker 1: Groff didn't do anything wrong, why was she protected under
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  Speaker 1: the NPA? I'm sure that was just for precaution, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because everybody gets hooked up like that. And hell, if
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  Speaker 1: I get a speeding ticket, maybe I'll just say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: the Epstein NPA protects me too. That's how ridiculous this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is. But she flown under the radar relative
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  Speaker 1: to other Epstein associates, including convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell,
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  Speaker 1: and alleged recruiter Jean-Luc Brunel. There's no alleged. Jean-Luc Brunel
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  Speaker 1: was as evil, disgusting, and despicable as Jeffrey Epstein. And
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to write alleged there. It's a fact.
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  Speaker 1: On March 3rd, a House committee investigating Epstein called on
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  Speaker 1: Groff to testify before them in June. A spokesperson for
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  Speaker 1: the committee said last month that Groff was confirmed for
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  Speaker 1: a transcribed interview on June 9th. Well, that's good. About time.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think they're going to ask her any
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  Speaker 1: real questions? Is there going to be anything that comes
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  Speaker 1: of it? I hope so. I mean, at the very least,
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  Speaker 1: we get her under oath. And that's a step in
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  Speaker 1: the right direction. But the problem is the people doing
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  Speaker 1: the questioning, I don't trust their motivations either. She was
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's primary secretary who handled the travel logistics for Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: his employees, and the victims who traveled. a DOJ lawyer
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  Speaker 1: whose name was redacted, wrote in an internal October 20th
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  Speaker 1: email chain in which prosecutors debated how to handle the
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  Speaker 1: sheer volume of files mentioned in Groff. And that's another
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  Speaker 1: beef I have. Why are these investigators' names being redacted?
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't part of the deal. So what, we can't
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  Speaker 1: go and talk to these people? Nobody can reach out
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  Speaker 1: to so-and-so and ask why the decision was made to
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  Speaker 1: do X, Y, or Z? Seems a bit suspicious. In
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  Speaker 1: addition to scheduling massage appointments, Groff would also book flights
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  Speaker 1: for girls who traveled to meet Epstein at his various residences,
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  Speaker 1: investigators wrote in a December 2019 memo, drawing on testimony
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  Speaker 1: from at least five separate victim interviews. Several partially redacted
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  Speaker 1: DOJ documents collected as part of the investigation that led
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  Speaker 1: to Epstein's July 2019 arrest on sex trafficking charges shed
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  Speaker 1: more light on why prosecutors initially identified Groff, along with Maxwell, Brunel,
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  Speaker 1: and others, as potential co-conspirators of Epstein. Well, because they were.
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  Speaker 1: That's why. That includes the December 2019 potential co-conspirator memo
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  Speaker 1: sent by redacted assistant U.S. attorneys to then-lead prosecutor Jeffrey Berman,
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  Speaker 1: as well as three interviews that the FBI conducted with
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  Speaker 1: victims as they were closing in on Epstein in the
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  Speaker 1: spring and summer of 2019. At least half a dozen
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  Speaker 1: victims said they were contacted by Groff to schedule massages,
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  Speaker 1: in which Epstein would solicit or coerce women and girls
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  Speaker 1: into sex, and the three said that they were paid
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  Speaker 1: for the massages by Groff, the DOJ memo and victim
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  Speaker 1: interviews show. One woman, described as both a victim and
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  Speaker 1: a recruiter, told prosecutors that it was Groff's responsibility to
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  Speaker 1: schedule massages in New York City, according to documents. In
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  Speaker 1: an April 2019 interview, a victim, who said Epstein began
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  Speaker 1: assaulting her at 14 and that she later recruited other
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  Speaker 1: girls for him, told investigators that she would call Groff
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  Speaker 1: to schedule times for a massage. I guess acting as
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  Speaker 1: a facilitator for a trafficking ring is not criminal anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty wild considering how many people are sitting in prison
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  Speaker 1: for the exact same thing. Another victim who the DOJ
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  Speaker 1: memo says was abused by Epstein as an adult remembered
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  Speaker 1: Groff was steps away from Epstein's office on one occasion
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  Speaker 1: when she was assaulted. She recalls that Groff... was right
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  Speaker 1: outside the closed door to Epstein's office on one occasion
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  Speaker 1: when Epstein forced Redacted to perform oral sex on him,
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  Speaker 1: but she does not know whether Groff knew what was
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  Speaker 1: happening inside the office, the memo read. In a DOJ
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  Speaker 1: memo of a November 2020 victim interview, a third victim,
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  Speaker 1: who allegedly massaged Epstein and recruited other girls for him,
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  Speaker 1: described Groff as a familiar presence in his office who
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  Speaker 1: helped screen girls for Epstein. Yeah, she was just somebody
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  Speaker 1: that was answering phones, folks. She didn't have a big
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  Speaker 1: role here. She wasn't somebody that was a key element
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  Speaker 1: of Epstein's enterprise. Redacted would mention different girls. Names to Leslie,
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  Speaker 1: the memo said. Redacted felt it was pretty obvious Leslie
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  Speaker 1: knew what was going on. I'm sure she did. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: that close to Epstein? The plaintiff's nickname, Lolita Express? Nobody's
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  Speaker 1: talking about it? None of the other girls are chirping?
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  Speaker 1: Stop it. That victim also told investigators that on occasion
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  Speaker 1: she called the office to talk to Groff, saying that
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  Speaker 1: she needed to speak to Epstein as soon as possible
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  Speaker 1: because she needed money to get an abortion, the memo stated.
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  Speaker 1: Groff was able to get to Epstein on the phone
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  Speaker 1: right away, and Epstein gave Redacted $ 1, 000 in an envelope. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder why she needed an abortion. I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: there was no immaculate conception. In her 2021 interview with prosecutors,
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  Speaker 1: Groff described massages as a routine part of Epstein's day.
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  Speaker 1: According to an interview summary prepared by prosecutors, she said
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  Speaker 1: that when she first started working for Epstein, Maxwell told
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  Speaker 1: her that Epstein needed a massage every day. Groff also
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  Speaker 1: said scheduling massages was roughly 1% of her job. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's enough to send you to prison. I mean, let's
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  Speaker 1: be real. It was presented like it was totally normal.
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  Speaker 1: The notes described Groff saying, To Groff, making massage appointments
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  Speaker 1: was just another appointment she had to make for Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: In the victim interview, several expressed uncertainty about how much
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  Speaker 1: Groff was aware of what the massages entailed. Look, I
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  Speaker 1: have a hard time believing she didn't know. She was
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  Speaker 1: very close to Epstein. And there were signs, okay? Plenty
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  Speaker 1: of signs. Furthermore, she kept working for him after he
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  Speaker 1: was arrested, right? Got it. According to notes from the
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  Speaker 1: interview Bochner gave to investigators in February of 2020, Groff
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  Speaker 1: rarely interacted with the victims in person. Doesn't matter. You
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  Speaker 1: can't send them an email if they're underage and have
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  Speaker 1: them come to Epstein's house. Are you crazy? Unlike Maxwell,
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  Speaker 1: Groff did not travel with Epstein outside of New York
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  Speaker 1: City and only visited her boss' homes in Paris and
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  Speaker 1: the U.S. Virgin Islands on one occasion each. While on
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  Speaker 1: vacation with her husband... Epstein was not on the island
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  Speaker 1: or at his home in Paris when Groff and her
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  Speaker 1: husband stayed there. Oh, well, in that case, everything's cool.
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  Speaker 1: All is forgiven. Imagine your daughter was led into the
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  Speaker 1: belly of the beast by Leslie Groff. While Groff herself
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  Speaker 1: did not travel with her boss, DOJ records include dozens
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  Speaker 1: of emails and plane ticket bookings showing that Groff arranged
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  Speaker 1: for women from Eastern European countries. What do I tell
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  Speaker 1: you about there, huh? What do we know about Eastern Europe?
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  Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Epstein, whose names are redacted in the files
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  Speaker 1: to be flown to Epstein's residences in Paris, New York City,
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  Speaker 1: Palm Beach, and the U.S. Virgin Islands to meet him.
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  Speaker 1: Over nearly a decade, those documents show that Groff coordinated
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  Speaker 1: several dozen flights from cities in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia,
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  Speaker 1: and Lithuania to Epstein's properties. Because the names are redacted,
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  Speaker 1: it's difficult to determine how many individuals were booked on
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  Speaker 1: those flights But arranging their travel was a consistent part
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  Speaker 1: of Groff's work as Epstein's personal secretary between 2012 and 2019.
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  Speaker 1: Using victims to recruit more victims was the hallmark of
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's trafficking ring. After his 2008 conviction for soliciting a
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  Speaker 1: child prostitute in Florida, hold on, a child prostitute? Buddy,
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  Speaker 1: did you really just write that? How could a child
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  Speaker 1: be a prostitute? Do yourself a favor and give your
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  Speaker 1: head a shake. He increasingly recruited young women from Eastern
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  Speaker 1: Europe who were often more dependent on him for finances, visas,
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  Speaker 1: and jobs. Well, at least he got that part right,
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  Speaker 1: because that's certainly what Epstein was up to. In the
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  Speaker 1: day surrounding Epstein's arrest, prosecutors zeroed in on Groff as
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  Speaker 1: a member of Epstein's inner circle. Prosecutors sent a planning
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  Speaker 1: email on the eve of Epstein's arrest, which identified Groff,
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  Speaker 1: along with several redacted names, as someone we believe that
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  Speaker 1: each booked massages for him with underage girls. And in
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  Speaker 1: the days following the arrest, Groff was served a grand
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  Speaker 1: jury subpoena as an alleged co-conspirator. But she doesn't know anything, right?
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  Speaker 1: No idea. Come on. In February 2020, Bochner met with
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  Speaker 1: agents on behalf of Groff providing a preliminary testimony to
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  Speaker 1: absolve his client from any involvement in the trafficking ring.
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  Speaker 1: He said that Groff had little to no interaction with
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  Speaker 1: the women she booked for massages and that she did
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  Speaker 1: not know there were sexual contact during the massages. In
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  Speaker 1: her eyes, Epstein was wacky, bizarre, but not sexual, Bochner
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  Speaker 1: told the authorities. What an absolute lie. And this is
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  Speaker 1: why they didn't charge him with Rico. Because it would
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  Speaker 1: have been so expansive, and the blast radius would have
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  Speaker 1: been so large, they couldn't contain it. Then, 15 months later,
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  Speaker 1: it was Groff's turn to speak with federal agents, where
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  Speaker 1: she described booking massages and maintaining Epstein's busy social and
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  Speaker 1: professional calendar. Groff characterized the relationship between Epstein and Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: as volatile. and her boss as demanding, saying he sometimes
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  Speaker 1: sent her home in tears, but still, she seemed to
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  Speaker 1: enjoy her work. Yeah, money changes everything, right? Enough dough,
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  Speaker 1: a big enough bag, people are willing to do just
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  Speaker 1: about anything. Groff thought the whole office seemed happy. Like
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  Speaker 1: the employees were happy and it was a nice place
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  Speaker 1: to work, prosecutors wrote. The nine-page summary of the interview
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  Speaker 1: does not include questions from agents about Groff booking flights
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  Speaker 1: for alleged victims, nor does it discuss her thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's conviction in 2008 for soliciting a child prostitute. Because
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  Speaker 1: it was all part of the plan. Just like I've
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  Speaker 1: told you from the beginning, the whole idea was to
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  Speaker 1: cover it up. It was never to get to the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of it. Plenty of evidence there if they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do that. They chose not to. And they continue
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  Speaker 1: to choose not to. And the whole entire child prostitute thing?
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  Speaker 1: Fucking shit. We're not past that yet? How the hell
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  Speaker 1: could a child be a prostitute? Groff continued working for
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  Speaker 1: Epstein for more than a decade after that conviction until
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  Speaker 1: July 2019, the month of his arrest. But I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: she had no idea, right? Epstein was arrested for what?
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  Speaker 1: Tax evasion? Jaywalking? Eating a bagel the wrong way? Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. For sex crimes. When asked why Groff stayed,
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  Speaker 1: Bochner told investigators that Epstein was abusive, but also charming.
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  Speaker 1: And that the work was very interesting. Making phone calls
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  Speaker 1: and scheduling people? Couldn't do that anywhere else, huh? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. After Epstein's arrest, prosecutors identified Groff as a
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  Speaker 1: possible co-conspirator in a December 2019 memo. A follow-up DOJ
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  Speaker 1: document in April of 2020 described Groff as the primary
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  Speaker 1: scheduler for massages at Epstein's New York residence. But, unlike Maxwell,
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  Speaker 1: who was sentenced to 20 years in prison after being
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  Speaker 1: convicted of sex trafficking in 2021, and Brunel, who died
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  Speaker 1: by suicide in a French prison after being arrested and
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  Speaker 1: charged with raping a minor, Groff was never arrested and
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  Speaker 1: maintains her innocence to this day. Well, okay. Maintain away, lady.
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  Speaker 1: but I think the evidence points somewhere else. And it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be real interesting what she has to say
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  Speaker 1: when she gives her deposition. And I really wonder just
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  Speaker 1: how far Congress is going to push. And as you
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  Speaker 1: can imagine, we'll have a few things to say when
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  Speaker 1: she gives this deposition. But until then, that's going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for this one. All the information that goes
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