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No Escape Episode Five: The Interrogations of Uncle Clyde and Jenkins Smith · Slice of Crimes | Serial Crime Story & Audio Drama

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Music.
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No Escape, Episode 5, The Interrogation of Uncle Clyde and Jenkins Smith.
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Welcome back to Slice of Crimes. I'm Casey, your resident slice sleuth.
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Today, we'll offer a glimpse into the life of the man at the center of it all,
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Clyde Smith, father of the victim, Jenner Smith, and of course,
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his surviving twin, Jenkins.
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Clyde is a man who's seen his share of loss, but nothing could prepare him for
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the brutal murder of his son.
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What does Clyde know about his sons and their lives? And what role does Jenkins,
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the quieter twin, play in this tragedy?
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And let's not forget, Clyde brought Myers into this family.
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Is he full of regret or relieved to have more family around to care for? We're about to find out.
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Detective Sarah McAllister sits across from Clyde Smith in the dimly lit interrogation room.
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Clyde's hands tremble slightly as he grips the edges of the chair,
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his eyes red from nearly three days of crying.
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Behind the two-way glass, Detective Mike Ramirez watches closely,
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ready to step in if needed.
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Clyde's wealth and status are evident in his tailored suit and polished demeanor,
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But there's a fragility to him, a man who's lost too much and is on the verge of losing even more.
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Mr. Smith, I know this is an incredibly difficult time for you.
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We appreciate you coming in. Let's start with the basics.
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Can you confirm a few details for us?
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Myers told us about his arrival here in Riverton. Is there anything you'd like
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to add? Any important details?
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Myers. Yes, of course.
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He came to live with us about six months ago. My sister, she disappeared.
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And Myers had no one else.
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I couldn't just leave him there, alone.
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Family is everything to me. I'd already lost so much. Losing him,
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too, would have been unbearable.
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Your sister's disappearance. I'm so very sorry, Mr. Smith.
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About your sister, Myers mentioned she had a troubled past. What do you think happened to her?
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She was always a bit of a free spirit. But this, it's different.
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I think something happened to her. Something terrible.
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I thought this immediately. But when I got there, I didn't know if she was gone
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or if she just couldn't handle life anymore.
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But Myers needed a stable home, and I wanted to give him that.
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A little over a month ago, they found her remains.
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I have no details because the investigation is open. I don't know where or how she died.
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I still think something happened, but they won't tell me if it was an accident.
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I would like to think she was trying to get back to Myers. Myers just wrote her off.
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But she wouldn't leave him no matter what he says.
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Sadly, he won't talk about her. I wish we would. I hate that she's just erased
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from our lives completely.
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When you say he won't talk about her, does that include not admitting she's dead?
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You just told me her remains were discovered a little over a month ago,
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yet Meyer says she abandoned him and they never recovered her body.
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Is he unaware that they found her?
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He knows. But since they gave no detail, he acts like it never happened.
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He just says, she left me. She's gone.
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Never came back. His denial can be extraordinary.
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I have noticed he believes his truths. in everything, that is,
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and not always do his truths match reality.
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What does trauma do to one's brain? I think he might suffer from that,
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making her out as neglectful.
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Maybe it makes him feel the loss less, like he's not missing out on having a
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mom because she was not a good mom.
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But it's just not true. His reality. I find it quite skewed.
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I wonder if you'd mind giving me some background on what Meyer's life was like back in Manchester.
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His mother was unstable, he said. Was he neglected?
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Do you know, I mean, I hear what you're saying, good mom and all that,
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but was he uncared for because she was incompetent or perhaps incapable?
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I know this is hard. It's your sister. But you did have to help her a fair amount to make ends meet.
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Maybe she wasn't making it. Maybe his basic needs were not being met. Is it possible?
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This is difficult for me, Detective Myers may see it that way Because my sister
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worked very hard to raise him Single mum Our mother was not a kind woman,
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As soon as she was pregnant with Myers She was shown the door She lived in a
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shelter when he was born And for that first year But she got on her feet And
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I paid her rent as soon as I heard what her situation was,
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Have ever since. I'd have done more, but she was too proud and independent.
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No man was going to take care of her, you know?
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So, yes, I'm sure they were living a ways below the poverty level,
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because my sister was an artist, a potter, a painter, like I said,
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a free spirit. It didn't always pay the bills.
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I was under the impression you did not have regular contact with her.
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Had you seen her or Myers before she disappeared?
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No, I regretted it, the second I heard she disappeared. We spoke often, though.
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I know Myers was not easy on her. He hated being poor, and he resented her very much for that.
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I tried to persuade her to move here more than once.
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But anything I did close to that pushed her away, and I didn't want to lose the part of her I had.
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How about substance abuse? Mental illness?
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Yes, Detective. I've been trying to sort that out.
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When I went to the police in Manchester to report her missing,
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I learned Myers had some minor offenses for drug possession.
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He tells me he had to try to make money for food and clothes.
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I haven't had any problems with him here. I meant your sister.
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Myers mentioned she was unreliable. He practically raised himself is how he put it.
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That's why he waited a month to contact you after reporting her missing.
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He said she disappeared before, a lot, just not that long.
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Oh, I don't know, Detective. My sister wasn't unreliable.
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Myers was all she had. Kids can be hard on their parents.
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They don't always understand how much of your heart and soul you invest in them.
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It can break your heart, that divide. You know, the whole thing's rough.
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Losing his mom, and now coming here, and his cousin is murdered. It's traumatic.
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I know. I am reeling from my losses.
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I just want to prop up my boys. Both of them. Jenkins and Myers.
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We need each other more now than ever.
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I understand. Can you tell me, how have things been at home since Myers arrived?
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Before this tragedy, sir, how did Jenner and Jenkins react to having him there?
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The boys were great. Jenner especially. He was always the more outgoing one, you know.
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He welcomed Myers with open arms. Jenkins. Jenkins is quieter, more introspective.
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But they got along fine. Myers brought something different to the house,
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a new energy. It was good for all of us, I think.
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Mr. Smith, who do you think Jenner was closest to? His best friend,
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Blake? His girlfriend, Maya? Or his twin brother, Jenkins?
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There's no tighter tie than between twins.
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Especially identical twins.
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Before they spoke their first recognizable words to us, their mom and I spent
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hours trying to decipher the long conversations they would have with each other
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in a language only the two of them understood.
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It was actually breathtaking to watch them.
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As they got older, they had a silent communication, an innate understanding of one another.
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So, without a doubt, from conception on, Jenner and Jenkins had an unbreakable bond.
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Yes, I've heard of that. So Jenner's number one was Jenkins.
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And Blake and Maya, were their relationships at least stable,
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would you say? Or better or worse than usual lately?
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Blake was his very best buddy for years.
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They were competitive, played the same sport, lacrosse, friendly rivalry,
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both excellent, elite players.
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They teased each other for fun, but nothing serious.
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They always had each other's backs, I'm sure. That's how boys that age are.
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I never saw them argue, or heard of a dispute. They understood one another 100%.
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Maya, what a sweet girl. She was an elite athlete like Jenner, diving.
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He was so proud of her, he bragged about her to me all the time.
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She must be suffering greatly.
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I don't want to downplay any young love, but they were that.
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Both of them. Young.
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They were nearly inseparable, though.
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I mean, all the kids in that group were.
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That was very typical. All of them going out and doing an activity or just hanging
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out. Whatever kids do, you know.
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But Maya was always there too.
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They were planning to stay together when Jenner went to Duke.
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Jenner told me this. Maya was still going to be in high school.
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But that's not easy. I know. My wife.
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My wife. Their mom and I. We were high school sweethearts.
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I think we were atypical. Never breaking up despite distance.
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But hey, turns out, we were soulmates. But I told Jenner to go for it.
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Just be realistic. And don't hurt each other.
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Love loss can be painful. I know this too well.
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Music.
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You said Jenner welcomed Myers with open arms, they didn't really know each
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other well. Do you think he trusted Myers?
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Do you think the boys kept secrets from him? Secrets?
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Not that I know of specifically. Not recently.
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I mean, I have no way of knowing. But I'll tell you what. If the boys had a
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secret between them, it stayed between them.
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Not Maya, not Blake, not me.
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Unless they were scared or in danger, then yes, they would come to me right away.
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The three of us, we always protected each other. Always.
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But a simple secret.
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No. So no way Myers would be in on anything.
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How about Myers? Really no worries about him you can share?
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I can't tell you any more than I have already. I feel a kinship with Myers because
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our losses are so parallel.
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I'm sure he's crushed, but he won't even talk about his mom, as I mentioned.
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I'm expecting he will avoid discussing Jenner, too, if he follows his pattern,
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but it makes some sense. He hardly knows anyone.
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The kids were so good always including him, but they all had known each other for years.
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You've endured a lot of loss, Mr. Smith. First your wife, your sister,
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now Jenner. How are you holding up?
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It's, frankly, it's been unbearable. When my wife passed, it was the hardest
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thing I'd ever faced. I sold my business.
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Thankfully, I was in a good position to do so. And I focused on raising the boys.
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I wanted them to grow up knowing the values their mother instilled in them without
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any outside influences.
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That's why I never remarried, never brought another woman into their lives.
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It was just the three of us.
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And then Myers came, and I thought, I thought I could save him too.
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But now, now I've lost Jenner. I don't know how to go on.
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I'm so sorry for your loss, Mr. Smith. This is a difficult question,
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but do you have any idea who might have done this to your son?
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I, I don't know.
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Jenner was such a bright light, so full of life. I can't imagine anyone wanting to hurt him.
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I guess people can surprise you, even the ones you think you know best.
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Mr. Smith, thank you for your time. We'll need to speak with Jenkins now,
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but if you think of anything else, please let us know.
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Mr. Smith's voice breaks, echoing his broken heart.
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Detective, with everything I've been through, I thought this would break me.
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And it just might, if you don't find who did this.
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I'm not sure what my breaking point is. But I'd rather not find out.
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I'm very afraid of what that will look like.
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Detective McAllister feels even more compelled to solve this case quickly after meeting Clyde Smith.
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Any piece she can offer this man, he greatly deserves.
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Detective McAllister takes note of Jenkins Smith's demeanor as he enters the interrogation room.
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Unlike his father, Jenkins is composed, almost eerily so.
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He's quiet, reserved, his eyes downcast as he takes a seat across from her.
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Is he nervous, afraid, guarded?
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It's hard for her to discern, but she knows Ramirez is hyper-focused.
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Behind the glass, Detective Ramirez shifts his stance, watching Jenkins closely.
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And they both understand this interview is critical.
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Jenkins has been the silent twin, the one in the background.
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Will this interview provide the clarity McAllister seeks, or further distort
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the information surrounding Jenner's brutal murder? Time to find out!
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Jenkins, thank you for coming in. I know this is a difficult time for you,
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but we need to ask you some questions about what happened.
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Before we get started, can I ask, did you bring in the clothes you wore to the escape room?
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I left them with the guy. You're a partner, I think. Mike?
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I didn't bring my black school chess jacket, though, because I gave it to Maya
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to wear in the escape room place because she seemed a little cold.
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She was shivering, I guess.
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Then when we got out, waiting for the others, she gave it back to me.
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Then when everyone went to find Jenner, I somehow lost it in the frenzy.
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Everything was such a blur. I was in shock. I still can barely think straight.
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But I lost that jacket and I want you to know that so you don't think I'm hiding
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something. Because I'm not...
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But I brought everything else here and my outfit is stained with blood because
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I hugged Jenner as soon as I saw him. Me and Maya both did.
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Everyone else just slipped and slid around in the blood, but we loved him.
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We didn't want him to be alone.
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McAllister pauses before responding. She was not expecting such a spontaneous
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outpouring of random information.
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She's pleased to see Jenkins opening up so quickly, but she needs to help him
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focus if she has any chance of gaining clarity.
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He could very well distort the case further if she isn't strategic in this interview.
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She's also noting that already his information doesn't sync with some of the
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stories she's heard. She takes a breath, choosing her words carefully.
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Jenkins, I appreciate you sharing all of this with me. It's clear that you have
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a lot on your mind, and that's understandable.
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But let's take it one step at a time, okay?
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We need to make sure we're getting everything in the right order.
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I want to help you sort it all out so we can get to the bottom of this and find
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out who murdered your brother.
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I assure you it's my top priority to clear this case quickly,
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to answer the questions haunting your family, to bring justice for Jenner.
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We're in this together, Jenkins. I need your help to make sure we're getting the full picture.
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So let's go through it slowly, step by step, and figure out exactly what happened that day.
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Jenkins nods slightly. His eyes still downcast, but there's a flicker of something in his expression.
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Relief, maybe? Or the realization that he might have said too much too soon?
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Ramirez is keenly aware that Jenkins' energy and words don't correspond well.
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He's rambling, disorganized, but seemingly spouting out excuses for what he
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thinks he might be in trouble for.
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And covering for Maya, still, why?
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Why is she his priority? Or is he just trying to shift focus off himself?
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Ramirez has more than one theory floating around in his head,
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but no gut feeling quite yet.
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First of all, Jenkins, you're right about what we came upon when we arrived.
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The scene of the murder was utter chaos.
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Every one of you has described it that way. But what I don't understand is why
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you are insisting to continue speaking for Maya. I've spoken to her.
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She's made her statement, and it doesn't match what you seem to want to convince
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me of. I'm trying to understand Jenkins.
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Is it that if you create Maya's story, you can control the narrative?
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I need you to talk to me about you. what you personally encountered leading
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up to and even after the discovery of your brother's body in room three of that escape room.
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Look, Jenner and I share more than blood. We're twins.
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I know everybody wants to point to him and Maya as messed up,
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but she was almost as close to him as I was.
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And yes, shoulder to shoulder, Maya and I clung onto Jenner until you pulled
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us off. You should remember that.
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Okay, I'll let that ride for now, but forensics will be processing the clothes, the body, everything.
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Physical evidence doesn't lie, people do. And when people do,
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detectives like us expose those lies.
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Before I get into the background questions, I have a couple questions regarding
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when y'all were checking into the escape room.
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It's been brought to my attention that someone had a punch card.
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Two people say it was Maya's and Maya said it was Blake's. What do you remember?
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I think it was Meyer's card. Not Blake or Maya's.
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Myers touched her purse and I called him out on it. But Maya said it was fine.
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The whole thing was weird, but you're right, there was a punch card.
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A punch card to me says someone was there before. Have you been to the escape
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room before or how about Jenner?
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Not me, not Jenner that I know of. What did you think upon entering the escape
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room, this being your first time?
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The clues were kind of obvious, you know. Then I opened a secret bookcase in
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the third room to sneak through a secret passage into, I guess,
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the fourth or I think it skipped to the fifth room.
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That's why Jenner didn't see me, and I didn't see him.
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A secret bookcase? It wasn't locked? You went through alone?
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Yeah, it was unlocked, but I could lock it behind me, so I did.
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That's probably why I never saw anyone else inside.
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Well, I will tell you this, you're not the only one who claims they entered
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a secret bookcase passage and locked it behind them.
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So again, stories aren't lining up.
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Well, I'm not lying. Maybe there were two secret passages.
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You think we didn't check? I say, maybe there were not two secret bookcases anywhere.
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Maybe there were two people in one, a great place to hide and wait for the last person to come in.
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Jenner was definitely surprised by someone. He was bigger and stronger than any of you.
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Two people ambushing him would be better than one. Makes sense to me.
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Well, I wasn't one of them. You are making a lot of assumptions there.
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I loved my brother. I loved my brother.
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Looks like McAllister's strategy to gain Jenkins' trust and rely on him to reveal
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the truth isn't working.
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He is clearly lying, holding back, omitting facts, or all of the above,
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just like the rest of them.
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But when is a lie as good as the truth?
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When it can be misproven.
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She is wearing Jenkins down each time she challenges his version of the events.
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She's disappointed that in
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the first few minutes, she already knows she won't be able to clear him.
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For his father's sake, she's still hoping he didn't kill his twin.
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Clyde is damaged, broken, but if Jenkins is guilty, he will be destroyed.
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She decides to pepper her response with sarcasm, a subtle way to call him out
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for his deception without coming across as too aggressive.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me, Jenkins. Let's move on. So,
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what about exiting? Do you know the order Everyone Came Out?
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No, I mean, I know I was before Maya because I was worried about her.
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She was so scared going in.
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Everyone practically forced her. So I watched and was super relieved when she came out.
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Again with Maya? Is this an obsession?
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That actually helps me out with the timeline. But I'm telling you,
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Jenkins, the vigilance over Maya is becoming too much for me to set aside.
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You're going to have to explain yourself.
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I'll let you think about that and circle back later.
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Tell me about Jenner as a brother. Sometimes, he could be overbearing.
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He liked to make fun of the twin thing, like, do we look identical?
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He didn't like that we were always lumped together, but I never really minded.
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I didn't care about being in the spotlight. I just wanted to do my own thing.
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Jenner was tough on you, wasn't he? Did that ever bother you?
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He was tough, yeah, but it wasn't anything I couldn't handle.
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He had his way of doing things, and I had mine. We were just different.
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Did you ever feel like he overshadowed you? That you were living in his shadow?
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Maybe. But I never let it get to me. I was proud of my accomplishments,
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even if they weren't as flashy as his.
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Getting into the Colorado School of Mines, that was a big deal for me.
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Jenner didn't really get it, but that's okay. I didn't need his approval.
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Okay, Jenkins, here we go. I'm going to circle back to the hot topic,
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Maya Your focus on her has me more than curious I'd say I'm concerned at this
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point Nobody hinted at anything between you two But I'm not convinced A love triangle, perhaps?
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The time has come for you to spill it,
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Maya, she was, she is nice. But Jenner, he didn't treat her the way she deserved.
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He was always pushing her, trying to control her. I didn't think it was fair,
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but it wasn't my place to say anything.
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I was always trying to balance it out, though, in my own way.
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You know, looking out for her when I could.
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I don't know. I've been told Jenner didn't like her talking to any other guys.
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Did that include you? Is this what it's all about?
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Either you betrayed Jenner, or he thought you did.
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I did not betray my brother. Maya and I weren't close. We didn't really talk much.
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Also, Jenner knew 100%. I'm no threat to his relationship with Maya.
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No love triangle, detective.
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Find a different motive. You're wasting your time with that.
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McAllister tried switching tactics there, forcing a confrontation with Jenkins.
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But he didn't back down. Either he's telling the truth or he's had a lot of practice lying.
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I'm not letting this go. What do you think Detective Ramirez will think about
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what he finds on your phone?
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And, Myers, we'll be addressing that soon enough.
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In the meantime, if you want to be more forthright, I welcome it.
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Either way, it's not going away.
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Detective McAllister decides to head in a different direction,
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hoping to catch Jenkins off guard. And Blake?
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What was your relationship with him like? Jenkins stands up,
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removes his flannel shirt, and hangs it on the back of his chair.
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Is he sweating because the small room has become unbearably stuffy,
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or because McAllister continues to turn up the heat with every question?
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Jenkins drinks nearly his whole water bottle before continuing to answer more questions.
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Blake and I, we aren't close. He was Jenner's friend. I don't really know him that well.
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When I spoke to Blake, he had more nice things to say about you than he did
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about Jenner. Why do you think that was the case? Yes.
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I don't know. He shouldn't have anything to say about me. But if he did,
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it's probably because he is like everyone else.
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Tired of seeing Jenner boost himself up by putting someone down.
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It happened to Blake with the lacrosse, Syracuse. Not having a girlfriend.
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It happened to Maya because he could do better than her. He'd literally tell
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her that. It happened to Myers because he didn't have many friends.
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Which, you know, this is a small town and he was new here. and it happened to
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me because I was his twin and I could literally take on everything he maybe hated about himself.
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He could just dump it on me and then he wouldn't own any of it anymore. I would.
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But if Blake said something nice about me, it was probably just a deflection
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of his own feelings about Jenner's put downs.
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I never said to anyone that what Jenner said bothered me because we're twins.
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Nothing could come between us and no one got that because they saw us as so different.
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But Twins, that's always going to be your number one person. He was mine. I was his.
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Okay, Jenkins, what about Myers? Are you glad he came to live with you?
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For my dad's sake, absolutely. Losing his sister was just too much heartbreak after my mom.
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Myers was like a project for him to be distracted by and to do right for his sister.
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I didn't know her, but they were very close. He called her for advice, for support.
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She was his person after mom died, for sure. But she wouldn't let him come visit,
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which I never understood.
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But to answer your question for myself, I could do without Myers.
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But he didn't really make a difference for me. Like, my life wasn't better or worse because of him.
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Jenner, I'll speak for him now. He did not like Myers. He did not trust Myers.
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He thought he dressed weird, was intentionally a loner, and was taking advantage
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of Dad, who wouldn't say no, ever. Out of guilt for his sister disappearing.
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So there you have it, but did we pretend to like Myers for Dad's sake?
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Yes. Did Myers know that was fake? Yes. But I doubt he even cared.
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Jenner did not trust Myers. Did you trust him, or I suppose I should ask, do you trust him now?
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At first, yes. Why wouldn't I? But Jenner converted me.
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That's a telling answer, meaning the two of you discussed this and have reason to distrust him.
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Can you explain this further? It seems important.
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You are reading into this. Jenner didn't trust him because he didn't want Dad
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hurt. It's not complicated.
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Jenner gets a vibe that Jenkins wants a better life than he had,
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and he feels like he's going to take advantage of Dad, which would be easy in Dad's state.
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He just told me not to be so naive. People suck sometimes, you know?
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Jenkins, I need to ask you something important. Did you know about Jenner finding
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out anything unusual or even a secret?
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No, I don't know what you mean. Jenkins, we're going to get to the bottom of
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this, but I need you to help me.
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Did Jenner say anything to you before you split up in the escape room? Anything at all?
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Jenkins remains silent, his hands clenching in his lap.
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Detective McAllister watches him closely, sensing the turmoil beneath his calm exterior.
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He may be able to control his expression, but his eyes are signaling volatility.
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And Ramirez's radar is picking up the signal loud and clear.
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So he did say something. Come on, Jenkins.
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He just said, he said we'd talk later, but we never got the chance.
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Jenkins, it's important that you're honest with me. This is about finding out
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what happened to your brother. If there's something you know,
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now's the time to tell me.
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The silence stretches, thick and heavy, as if the air itself anticipates the
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emotional storm that's about to break loose.
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One Jenkins can't stop from crashing through the room.
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Detective McAllister decides the time has come to push him to the edge.
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You talk a big talk, Jenkins, about the three of you protecting one another
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emotionally, but here you are, clamming up.
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Jenner can't protect you anymore, and your dad is on the brink.
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Come on, Jenkins, think about helping your dad out.
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I don't know if you're scared, or protecting someone, or worse.
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You could be protecting your dad from discovering that his son killed his other son.
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Whatever it is, I don't see you holding on to this much longer.
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I'm here and ready to talk as soon as you are.
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Why don't you head home and take care of your dad, and think about what I just said.
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As Jenkins is led out of the room, Detective McAllister exchanges a glance with Detective Ramirez.
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There's more to this story, and Jenkins is hiding something.
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But what? And how does it tie into everything else they've learned?
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Okay, McAllister, let's prepare for the big showdown tomorrow.
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It is your specialty. I've got all my notes from the last three days.
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Every likely lie or withholding of information is marked for every interview.
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I read those kids like a book. You know it. Preliminary forensics will be in today or tomorrow.
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We're going to have those kids' heads spinning when they see how they turned
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on each other during their interviews.
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I predict all those mismatched stories will start lining right up.
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Sure thing, Mike, but I'm hoping some of them will do the right thing and come
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clean to me this afternoon about what they are hiding.
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There's more than one secret here, and those secrets need to be exposed.
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I didn't push anyone too hard yet, Jenkins might not agree. But they all have
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a big surprise coming, that's for sure.
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I'll be calling each of them to remind them about the meeting here at noon tomorrow.
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Some consciences can't bear the weight of guilt for too long, you know.
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That's it for episode five. Wow, that was a juicy one, right?
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Whodunit, I'm still wondering. Any ideas? Join me next time.
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All four kids will be facing the lies.
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Their own. And each other's.
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Does McAllister have some truth serum? Seems like she might need it.
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Until I roll out episode six, stay cool, especially if you're hot on the trail.
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And remember, nothing is ever exactly as it seems.
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How do you feel after an episode of Slice of Crimes?
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One step closer to the truth? If you haven't cracked the case yet,
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no worries. You're not alone.
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But before you go, remember, the mystery doesn't end here.
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So until next time, fellow sleuths, keep your wits about you. Stay curious.
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And trust me, you won't want to miss it.
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Infinite thanks for listening today and for tuning in next week.