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Jose Ramirez Signs Extension (STILL UNDERPAID!) · The 3-0 Take

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  And gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take where we talk all
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  things Major League Baseball. Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate
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  Reyes. It all starts right now.
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  Welcome back to the Three O Take presented by Schnook Seeder.
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  This is episode 592. I'll be your host, Kyle Korne.
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  I'm here with my Co host Nate Reyes.
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  Nate. Daddy's back, Daddy's back.
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  That's right. You weren't with us last week.
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  It's good to have you back. Good to have you back.
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  It was weird. It was weird being because I,
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  for those who don't know, I don't know if you mentioned it,
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  I was on a, a whole work conference the whole week.
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  So. Yeah, we may had we may have
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  alluded to the fact that you were you were struggling a
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  little bit at that at that point in time and maybe maybe just
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  probably not suitable for on air.
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  New, new, new sales. Look, sales people just they do
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  it a little bit differently. You know, the hair comes down a
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  little bit Wilder, you know, So we got after it, but it was
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  weird being like like seeing it like, you know what I mean?
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  Like knowing that you guys could are going and I'm like not able
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  to go normally. I'm like, you know, if I'm on
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  vacation or like I'm not even looking at my phone.
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  I was like, I could do this, but I can't do this, you know?
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  I didn't like it. It was weird.
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  It's all right. We made, we made do.
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  We made do. It was a good show.
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  It was a good show. Josh in the corner got promoted
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  to Josh in the Square, I guess. I don't know Co captain, Co
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  captain, but the yeah, we made it.
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  We made it work. A little controversy to start
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  the show today. Wanted to discuss briefly Nate,
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  I wanted to actually get your thoughts, your follow up
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  thoughts to what is the controversy of the Major League
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  Baseball teams with states in their name controversy.
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  Because for those who don't know, I put out a video a day or
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  two ago where the prompt was I'll just lay the lay the
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  foundation here give you the background the prompt was name
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  the four Major League Baseball teams with states in their name.
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  Now, in giving Nate this prompt, I already know the answers,
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  'cause this is part of the part of the content we do.
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  This is sort of the game set up. I give Nate the prompt, he's got
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  to answer in 60 seconds and I know the answers and he starts
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  reeling off, He said Minnesota, which being the first one you
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  pulled was very impressive. That would have been the last
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  one I pulled because Minnesota, Minneapolis, it all runs
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  together to me. And then he he, he mentions the
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  rain or no. Then he goes into the Yankees
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  and Mets and then finishes up with the Rangers.
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  And it was like, how did I do? I was like, no, you're wrong.
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  Because the New York team, I couldn't.
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  Lock back in after. That you were.
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  You were. You were bamboozed.
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  I thought the two that you would get first.
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  Yeah, yeah. So to which I say, no, you're
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  wrong because both of those teams represent like the New
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  York in both of those teams alludes to slash acknowledges
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  the city of New York, and the blowback on social media was off
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  the charts. Just know that you've got an
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  army of people out there defending your honor.
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  Yeah, they normally call me idiot, so it feels good to be on
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  this side of it, you know? Yeah, dude.
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  I mean, look like if, if, if it's if it's a technicality, you
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  know, it's, I think it's the way the the question was, was
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  phrased. I mean, could I have phrased it
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  better? Yes.
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  Do I care? Not that much.
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  I don't care. That much either to be honest
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  with. You would I change it if I could
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  do it again? No, because I've gone back and
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  forth on it. And I think that no matter which
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  way you look at it, you could be right, because I stand by the
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  fact that if you look at it in a vacuum, does do the New York
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  Yankees, does that name include a state?
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  Technically speaking, it's the city.
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  Technicality, baby, I won. And same applies for the Mets.
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  And people are like, well, you're not going to call them
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  the Queen's Mets or the Bronx Yankees.
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  And I'm like, wait till these people figure out that New York
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  is a city because apparently they didn't realize that.
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  So just, you know, just wanted to get your thoughts.
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  New York City is the name of the city, but you could say the same
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  about Tampa Bay. The city is Tampa and then by
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  Tampa Bay. No, it's you look up and there
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  there are addresses in New York where you address it to New
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  York, NY. So it is a literal city and
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  people could not wrap their minds around that.
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  Yeah, that's right. When I just say New York City,
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  it's like, well, it has to be. But you're right, it is.
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  It's new. York, that's what people kept
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  saying. They're like, well, you're not
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  going to do they go by the New York City Yankees.
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  I'm like, wait till this guy finds out about the fact that
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  it's a it's a city in and of itself.
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  But even with that said, Tampa Bay is not a city either.
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  And they I was trying to think around the league like who else
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  is doing something like this? Tampa Bay would be the example
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  of that, right? Because they're not Tampa that
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  that is doing something where it's not actually the name that
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  then that's that's what I was thinking is like who's doing
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  that? But I guess that that's it.
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  It's making my brain hurt a little bit, but.
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  I I trust. You.
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  I trust you. It sounds right.
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  It's Tampa, FL right, But it is New York, NY.
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  So the the beginning of my argument is is.
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  Well, no, it's not the. Yeah, it's not the same because.
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  It's not the same. It's not a state, but I I get
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  what you're. Saying, But I was just trying to
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  think who's doing that? Who's they're?
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  Playing off of making additions, subtractions, that kind of
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  thing, I got you. Whatever the athletics are going
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  to have to do. I think honestly, I think people
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  I, I appreciate comments, I think people that comment
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  regularly are great, but you also maybe have too much time on
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  your hands and it takes a lot for me to comment on a video.
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  I don't know, maybe you, that's just me.
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  It takes a lot for me to like, put my thoughts out there, like
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  I really got to care. Do you think that's because you
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  have a mic weekly? I guess I just don't care if
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  people know what I'm thinking that much like for like I'm
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  going to put it there and like I need people to scroll by this
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  and I did comment on a video on TikTok and I think I just now
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  stopped getting likes on it. I had a comment that.
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  Popped off. Crazy, isn't it?
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  It went like 8 months and I'm like enough.
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  I don't want notifications on someone liking this comment
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  anymore. I went back, I that happened to
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  me. I went back deleted the comment.
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  I was like, it's gone. I'm done.
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  I hope the people that liked it enjoyed it.
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  Hey speak. I'm glad you brought up the
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  video thing because I wanted to before we move on, talk about
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  current events and and this that and the third YouTube.
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  It's been a minute since we plugged the YouTube.
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  Nate, I would, I would greatly appreciate if you could plug
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  what we're doing over there. Yeah, please, just, I mean, it's
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  a big help for us, like it's a big support to be able to just
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  go and subscribe there. Look, it doesn't cost you
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  anything. It's it's it's literally it
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  takes 30 seconds. I can give you that 30 seconds
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  now and chat about something random.
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  If you want to buy time, you're not going to miss anything, but
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  if you're not watching these episodes, you're losing a lot of
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  that too, you know what I mean? There's a lot of stupid faces
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  that I'll make while Casey's making some crazy rant and vice
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  versa. So I'd like for you to go over
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  there, do us a solid, hit that subscribe button.
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  It's free, but it's a massive help for your boy and I'd
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  recommend watching on there. If not, keep listening on that
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  platform that you're using, but just go to YouTube right now and
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  help us out and maybe, you know, do it on your wife's phone or
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  something too. I don't think I realized how
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  many people watch you watch podcasts on YouTube like it's
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  it's a big. Thing I only will like all the
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  podcasts I consume are on YouTube.
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  That's crazy. All right, We'll be like Nate.
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  Watch, watch, watch us on on. YouTube I feel like if if you're
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  the work from home gang JB knows and an extra monitor you're a
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  YouTube person. Just go give us a subscribe
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  that's. That's the move.
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  Let's talk Jose Ramirez extension, shall we?
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  Boy, oh boy, can't me. Oh my.
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  I mean, can we say we're surprised?
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  No. Because this is, I think this
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  was fate, I think Jose Ramirez was destined to be a Cleveland
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  guardian for life. And it is looking to be that way
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  because he has agreed to a contract extension that will
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  keep him in Cleveland through 2032.
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  Already signed through 2028, but he has added four years to that
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  deal. So he will He will be paid
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  175,000,000 over the next seven seasons, with 10 million
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  deferred every year. The deal also includes a no
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  trade clause and bonuses for winishing, winning or finishing
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  in the top five in MVP voting. Which he does all the time.
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  All the guy does. All the time.
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  All the time. Now I got to say, and I'll be
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  very curious to hear your all thoughts, but where my mind
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  immediately goes is the conversation of a Mike Trout.
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  And I'm not I'm not putting them in the same basket necessarily.
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  Both extremely talented baseball players, both for, you know,
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  different reasons, different things they've done on a
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  baseball field. But when you look at the the
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  loyalty to a fault, it makes you wonder.
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  But I have to say, I think I, I thought about it a lot today and
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  I think where I arrived was that I view this differently, one,
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  because it's, we're talking different money.
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  But two, the reason I don't put Jose Ramirez and Mike Trout in
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  the same basket as it relates to loyalty is that Jose Ramirez is
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  playing for a team that has proven that they're capable of
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  doing something in October. Yeah.
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  Mike Trout blindly just signed his name to the TO.
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  He put pen to paper knowing that there was a less than 0 chance
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  that he was going to see October again.
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  Yeah. And that I mean, you, you in a
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  certain, to a certain degree, I still kind of admire it where
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  I'm like, you know what, the guy you, you just don't see star
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  sticking around with the same club anymore for, for their
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  entire career. But it gets to a point where
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  you, you scratch your head a little bit.
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  But I, I don't, I don't, I don't think I'm doing that with Jose
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  Ramirez. The only head scratching I'm
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  doing is just the amount of money that I feel like he's
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  missed out on. But regarding the loyalty, I
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  respect the move Because at the end of the day, Cleveland has at
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  least gotten to the dance. Yeah, I'm kind of torn.
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  Like I was torn when he initially signed that long term
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  deal. And it's more so I think that
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  like he continues to be underrated because of where he's
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  at. And part of me was like, oh,
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  man, I hope that he does get to a team in a city that, like, he
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  can finally be appreciated for the level of production that he
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  throws out there. But now it's like, you know,
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  what? Is he 32?
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  333333. So let's take him to 39 ish.
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  Yeah, dude, it's like, I mean, there's no sense in going
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  anywhere now, you know what I mean?
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  Like might as well finish it out.
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  And I, I we talk about all the time like those, those names,
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  just they mean a little bit something extra.
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  You know, the Todd Hilton's the, the Derek Jeter's The Who was
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  the other name I just saw the other day.
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  It was a Biggio. Like you got like these names
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  that. Anne Bagwell.
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  May not necessarily be all time greats, and I love Jose Ramirez.
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  I think he's going to be probably a Hall of Famer, yeah,
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  but I don't think he's going to be considered as like an all
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  time great. I think he'll probably be fairly
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  forgotten and kind of lost in the mix just because of maybe
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  never really do anything for Cleveland, right?
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  But. I'm going to give you a hold on.
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  I'm going to give you a chance to to walk that back if you
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  choose. No, I'm not.
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  You're not back. He's not going to be an all time
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  great. We're not.
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  I'm not saying all time great, but you're saying you said Jose
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  Ramirez is going to be fairly forgotten?
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  Yeah. I mean, if we're talking, you
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  know, all three of us sitting down with our grandkids someday,
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  I don't know how often Jose Ramirez is going to come to mind
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  with all of the names that we've gotten to witness, right?
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  And I don't, I don't mean to put you on the spot here, but I'm
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  I'm genuinely curious. Is there an example from years
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  ago that you could make that like obviously we would know
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  'cause, you know, we're, we, we enjoy, like, you know, learning
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  more about those players and that kind of thing.
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  But is there a, is there a player that kind of comes to
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  mind just so I can sort of gather where your head's at with
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  it, 'cause I, I can I. I, as you explained it, I think
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  I, I'm able to understand what you're saying a little bit more,
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  but I don't know if there's somebody that comes to mind from
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  that era. How about an Alan Trammell?
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  I think of a higher name than that slightly.
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  I mean, I would. Alan Trammell, 70, WAR player,
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  played with Detroit his entire career.
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  When we looked back now, obviously he was done playing in
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  96. He was at the later days,
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  started in 77. I just looked him up because I
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  thought of him, but it wasn't a guy that I knew about until they
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  started talking about his Hall of Fame case.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know, It's just.
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  I mean, he's going to be a Hall of Famer.
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  There's no, there's no question about that, Hall.
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  Of Famer and I think like that his style of play I don't really
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  see fading too much probably lose some pop after a little bit
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  but like, I don't know I mean I don't I don't think he's going
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  to be in the same breath as like the Miguel Cabreras and the
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  Albert pool horses. And like the names are you're
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  just like these are all time greats.
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  I I think there's tears that I look at it you know where
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  there's like these names that are in the upper echelon of Hall
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  of farmers and then there's these names that are the middle
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  tier of Hall of farmers and it sucks because it's like if
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  you're in the Hall of Fame, you're in the Hall of Fame.
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  That's the upper tier. But yeah, I mean, I don't, I
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  don't know where is he at career wise right now with like, you
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  know, I, I know that there is probably a ton of double SA, ton
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  of stolen bases, ton of home runs.
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  Yeah, 57 war already. Go ahead.
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  Oh, I was going to say, can I throw out and it?
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  Who's to say how how the yeah, who's to say how the careers
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  compare when it's all said and done?
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  But could I interest you in a Scott Rolen?
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  I think, I think he'll be higher than that.
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  It's it's another 70 war player though that's.
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  What I'm saying, I'm not saying statistically, I'm just trying
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  to. I'm trying to.
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  But yeah, like some of those names give a cock for discourse.
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  Yeah. And maybe it's because of where
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  he's playing and where he's going to end up finishing.
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  Maybe it's because of that. Maybe he's, you know, there's
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  your upper upper echelon names where it's like, look,
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  regardless of my fan affiliation, I had to watch this
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  guy play, right? Then you have these names that
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  you run across and then you got to kind of have to drop it down
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  to like the average viewer, right?
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  Is the average viewer dying to catch a Jose Ramirez at bat the
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  same way they're dying to catch, you know, some of these other
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  names. It's it's just I think he's a
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  victim of where he he's playing. I think he's a victim of
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  mediocre post season success and Jeff Bagwell.
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  But I have a ton of respect because I love names that stick
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  around. I love, I love that.
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  He's the same amount of All Star games that Scott Rowland made.
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  Scott Rowland had a Silver Slugger.
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  Jose Ramirez has already had six.
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  Scott Roland finished in the top five in MVP.
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  It looks like once. Josh is always just setting out
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  to make me look like an idiot. I I'm not.
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  I'm this is a good example, but like the same thing with Alan
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  Trammell, he didn't finish in any.
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  This. Is top five.
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  This is like 5 or 6 times. I'm talking purely discourse.
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  I'm not, I'm not talking, I'm not saying statistically, I'm
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  not saying in terms of awards. I'm saying just how like
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  perception, public perception, fan perception, the discourse
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  surrounding said player. I don't like.
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  I was just trying to make sense of.
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  I mean, that's, it's like for different reasons, I'm not, I
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  think the same argument with like, I'm not going to try and
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  pull certain stats or biases or whatever, but like a Todd
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  Hilton, I think that's kind of how it's going to be, you know
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  what I mean? Like it's like, hey, there's a
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  lot of people that did watch him and loved him, rightfully so.
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  But like, if we're going to sit down and have a conversation and
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  like I only have a couple minutes to tell you about all
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  time greats, I don't know if Todd Hilton comes to mind.
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  It's a good point, Josh is. Probably a similar thing when
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  it's all said and done. OK, I I will hear you.
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  I'll hear you on that. Now that you've you've made some
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  comps and you've explained yourself.
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  I've made a question. Like I said, like it's just,
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  it's, it sucks. Well.
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  On, on that, on that note, and and I, I wanted to bring this up
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  at some point on the flip side, people can sit there and, and
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  scratch your heads at, at Cleveland, but it's like, OK,
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  what if, what if he did what everybody is saying like go find
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  a team that gives you a chance to win sort of the same, along
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  the same lines as they did for Trout.
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  It's like, go find a team that you can win a ring.
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  What if he just was like, you know what, I want to go play for
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  the Dodgers. Then what's the narrative
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  surrounding a guy like Jose Ramirez?
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  Here's here's one for you. Here's a better comp maybe and
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  more recent comp would probably be like a Joe Mauer.
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  How do you feel about that? That I think you're getting
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  closer just for the. Yeah, just the.
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  Fact that like. Just the life for.
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  His own team. I'm just, I'm sorry, I'm looking
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  up the baseball references. Jose Ramirez.
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  Let me. Ask you this, He's going to be
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  Can I ask you this? Can I ask you real quick first
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  about the baseball reference? Do we or or any, any site or
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  resource that we have available to us are do do war career war
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  projections are are those a thing like are we able to
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  extrapolate that out or is are we only able to do that with
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  other statistical categories right now?
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  You could, I mean you could, you could just by looking at an
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  average and then that's. What I was going to say, what is
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  the averaging? War.
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  Well, I mean inevitable, you know, tailing off towards the
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  end. I don't know how you would.
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  So Jose Ramirez has already passed up Joe Mauer in war, and
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  he's only if he's only a couple away from Helton.
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  So like it's, it's wild when you think of it that way.
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  What is he at right now? He's at 57.6 WAR and this is
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  what it, this is the kind of brings up the question I, I was
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  going to ask you. I'm looking here.
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  So we're talking third base 57.6.
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  The average Hall of Famer at third base is 68.9.
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  He's getting A10 WAR in these next eight years or or whatever
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  that whatever that contract is, his seven-year peak is already
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  above what the Hall of Farmers are.
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  OK, so his WAR per 162 is 5.8. That for 3rd baseman in the, in
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  the Hall of Fame right now is 5.1.
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  The jaws rating, which we don't need to go into what that is
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  right now is a little bit below. But let me, the question I
• 21:30
  wanted to ask you is because I, I think it's the same along the
• 21:33
  same lines as what you're saying, Nate.
• 21:34
  Do you think, though, when it's all said and done, when his
• 21:39
  career is over and he's on that last leg and we all take the
• 21:43
  opportunity to look back at his career, Do you think that
• 21:48
  regardless of how he was treated and paid attention to during his
• 21:52
  career, we will all look back at that career differently in
• 21:56
  hindsight? And we will talk about him.
• 21:59
  He will be popular because these numbers are he's possibly going
• 22:04
  to be a 70 WAR player. And we already talked about how
• 22:08
  guys like Alan Trammell weren't treated correctly.
• 22:11
  And really, quite frankly, we should be watching.
• 22:14
  This guy's is at bats. Like that's our fault.
• 22:17
  Yeah, I'm, yeah, I hand up. I've I've been one of those
• 22:24
  people to not pay the appropriate amount of attention
• 22:28
  to Jose Ramirez's career no longer starting in 2026.
• 22:32
  I like something, you know. Starting this year, from this
• 22:36
  moment forward, no Mas. I'm a Jose Ramirez fan and I'm
• 22:41
  going to give him the respect that he's due.
• 22:45
  Yeah, good, good. Guys.
• 22:50
  Is he? We're the last six years he's
• 22:52
  been a top 10 MVP vote at. Least that's insane dude.
• 22:56
  And really, 6th is it's this nuts dude.
• 23:01
  Where's Adrian Beltre if we're going to narrow down to 3rd
• 23:04
  baseman? I like that on the WAR list.
• 23:08
  He's high, too. Maybe that's a little bit of a
• 23:11
  better comp. Yeah, he's.
• 23:13
  But he's like very high and this is a 93.7 war dude.
• 23:18
  I mean, maybe. He's saying he's averaging
• 23:20
  roughly between 5:00 and 6:00 WAR a year. 5.8 is his average
• 23:25
  per 162 and and Adrian Beltre was 5.2.
• 23:30
  There you go. So he's got what, 6 years left
• 23:32
  on the steel now? Seven years left.
• 23:34
  But Beltre broke in a year earlier at 19 and played until
• 23:37
  he was 39. So yeah, I mean, if Jose Ramirez
• 23:39
  continues to do this, you're looking at.
• 23:43
  AI mean he's going to be up there with Ruth I.
• 23:46
  Don't know about that. I mean, they're going to be
• 23:48
  talking about him the same way they talk about Babe Ruth.
• 23:52
  When it's all said and done, I. Don't think that.
• 23:56
  He's great, good for good for Cleveland.
• 23:59
  I respect it. I like what I, I, I like it.
• 24:04
  I'm, I hope it finishes. I hope there's nothing weird.
• 24:10
  You know the. The guy's still going to make
• 24:14
  $272 million in his career. He's still.
• 24:17
  Yeah, but he is. He's been under.
• 24:19
  As happy. The baseball coach More.
• 24:21
  Players like that. Stop.
• 24:23
  Stop. No, that's exact.
• 24:26
  I underpaid. The owners love you, Josh.
• 24:29
  The owners are eating everything you're saying up.
• 24:33
  He, Jose Ramirez has been underpaid his entire career
• 24:37
  under point blank period. Yeah.
• 24:42
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Josh is over here.
• 24:45
  Well, I mean, sound like Garrett Cole at the press conference.
• 24:51
  I mean two people. Two people signed that contract.
• 24:56
  If he's happy, he's paid fine. It's an unnecessary Garrett Cole
• 25:02
  ricochet, but whatever. I mean, on Gee willikers moving
• 25:11
  on, Mackenzie Gore traded to the Texas Rangers.
• 25:17
  This was I was another name I was glad to see finally, finally
• 25:23
  drop in the notice. Who was the other one recently
• 25:26
  where I was like, I'm glad that finally happened.
• 25:28
  Oh, Louise Robert. I just feel like it's been a
• 25:31
  name that we've heard for some time.
• 25:33
  Like will he get will he get flipped?
• 25:36
  And I got to be honest with you, I'd I like the Texas Ranger
• 25:39
  sizzle fit. You know, sometimes you see
• 25:42
  these trades come through and you're like, I don't know if it
• 25:44
  really moves in the uniform, but I like, I like Mackenzie Gore's
• 25:46
  Texas Ranger. I still believe in, in Mackenzie
• 25:49
  Gore. I know he had a brutal
• 25:51
  second-half last year, but I'm, I'm still believer.
• 25:58
  I don't, I don't like that reaction.
• 26:02
  Nate's not a believer. Why are you not a believer?
• 26:06
  I I don't, I mean as a full shipload of prospects like I.
• 26:13
  I'm not. I wasn't even talking about the
• 26:14
  deal. Yeah, that was that was crazy.
• 26:16
  Which brings up the Josh, was it you talking about or were we
• 26:20
  talking about in the group chat about if this is what Mackenzie
• 26:22
  Gore pulls in? Like, what would a guy like Paul
• 26:24
  Skeens, what? What kind of Hall would would he
• 26:27
  bring in? Yeah.
• 26:28
  Yeah, I mean, I I don't know, this was just crazy.
• 26:32
  I I think he's good. I think that they like the
• 26:35
  Rangers rotation has like one of the highest ceilings and it's
• 26:43
  just like, now who's going to show up, right?
• 26:46
  Like is lighter for real? Is Rocker going to get it
• 26:49
  figured out? Is degrom going to like be
• 26:52
  degrom? Is it ever ever going to reach
• 26:54
  that threshold again? Is Ivaldi ever going to fall off
• 26:57
  like so? Nope.
• 26:59
  I think that there's like a really high ceiling.
• 27:03
  I like the fit. Maybe we're just saying that
• 27:06
  like, hey, the Rangers offense last year was just fluky.
• 27:11
  They cleaned house with a couple names.
• 27:14
  Let's try and kind of figure it out.
• 27:17
  But like, I don't know, I'm not that high in the Rangers.
• 27:21
  I wouldn't be surprised if some of these guys are getting sold
• 27:25
  next year. Can Josh, can you, can you look
• 27:31
  into a little bit or maybe you even know like what, what's the
• 27:34
  return here for the Nationals? Because I know everybody wants
• 27:40
  to look at, you know, like 5 prospects.
• 27:44
  But, and I love putting things into, into fantasy baseball
• 27:47
  terms because it's easy for me to understand.
• 27:49
  Is this the same thing where you're trading for like a a a
• 27:54
  promising arm and you're like, hey, I can give you like Spencer
• 27:59
  Torkelson, friggin, you know, just this.
• 28:05
  I mean no disrespect to Spencer Torkelson because he actually
• 28:07
  had a bounce back here, but you know what I mean?
• 28:10
  Like you're, you're, you're pulling together the.
• 28:13
  Scraps the That's what I do in fantasy every year.
• 28:16
  Yeah, and he plays it off as if he's actually savvy.
• 28:20
  I don't know how he does it but. I pull it off every year, so
• 28:23
  that's definition of savvy. It's five players I would.
• 28:31
  I can do that and piss you off. I mean, hey, there's pulling off
• 28:36
  trades and then there's win in the league.
• 28:38
  I had one of those. One of those I do a lot more of
• 28:42
  than the other, but well done. Well done.
• 28:46
  Anyway, yeah, it's five players. There's two fifth round picks
• 28:49
  and and two international guys and then their first round pick,
• 28:52
  12th overall from last year, Gavin Fien.
• 28:55
  And that's I think the big one. But I mean, he's an 18 year old
• 29:01
  prospect. He was, he was 12th overall.
• 29:04
  It feels like. And I think that's the point I
• 29:06
  was making in the group chat. It feels like quantity over
• 29:09
  quality here to get 5 players for Mackenzie Gore, which by the
• 29:13
  way the list of guys that Mackenzie Gore is involved with.
• 29:17
  Remember, he was traded to the Nationals for Juan Soto and Josh
• 29:23
  Bell in that ridiculous CJ Abrams, Robert Hassle, James
• 29:28
  Wood and Mackenzie Gore, plus two more guys.
• 29:31
  That was a crazy, crazy haul. So like he's been involved in
• 29:35
  these like ridiculous deals, this one mainly just because
• 29:40
  it's a 5 for one deal. I don't know.
• 29:42
  I don't know how ridiculous this will end up being.
• 29:44
  Those guys are pretty far away. So I it it's really hard to
• 29:49
  tell, but it has to feel like quantity over quality here.
• 29:51
  I'm interested. I hope there's a name in there.
• 29:54
  I hope we look five years down the road and this is a whole
• 29:57
  Tatis and James Shield trade. Like no offense to Mackenzie
• 30:02
  Gore, just like I don't. I don't know.
• 30:05
  I don't. Sounds like a lot of offense,
• 30:06
  actually. But yeah, that's just me.
• 30:08
  I. Don't know.
• 30:09
  I mean, James Shields a pretty solid.
• 30:11
  Career, right? Better career than three of us.
• 30:14
  I think Mackenzie Gore finishes up and him and James Shields at
• 30:18
  the same same career. I think he'd, I think he'd be
• 30:23
  solid. I think he'd be happy with that.
• 30:24
  I don't know that he would. I if you're Mackenzie Gore, I
• 30:27
  think you look around and and see the and see the hype that's
• 30:31
  surrounded your, albeit early career.
• 30:35
  It's just, it's crazy. You just, you never know, you
• 30:39
  could have a hidden gem in there and you couldn't, you know, like
• 30:42
  no disrespect, he's not going to listen to this.
• 30:47
  But you know, my buddy Brett that we talked to years ago and
• 30:50
  interviewed on the podcast years ago, 13th overall pick from the
• 30:54
  Cardinals. He was the trade that was sent
• 30:59
  Matt Holiday from the A's to the Cardinals.
• 31:03
  That was a one for one. He was in the Roy Oswalt and Roy
• 31:06
  Holiday trade. That was the three-way trade
• 31:08
  with Houston and. That was a one for one.
• 31:11
  Yes, him and Matt Holiday. That was a one for one thing.
• 31:13
  Holy cow, I don't remember that. That's crazy.
• 31:15
  So it's like, and you know, I love Brett, but like not a
• 31:20
  household name. You know, you never know what
• 31:24
  this stuff. It's it's interesting.
• 31:27
  And then you have the, you know, the name that's like, you know,
• 31:30
  it pops up five years later and you're like, whoa, superstar.
• 31:33
  So I, I think that's, I like that it happened.
• 31:36
  I don't know where this puts the Rangers as far as, you know,
• 31:39
  their strength in in the farm and how they rank that way.
• 31:44
  I think it's a good get. I think there's a high ceiling.
• 31:48
  Maybe you can squeeze something out of them.
• 31:50
  I'm just kind of confused with the Rangers not know what they
• 31:52
  are. Dead he like he's got, he's got,
• 31:56
  I mean, hopefully if assuming things work out the way they
• 31:58
  should, he's got many years ahead of them.
• 32:01
  Like it's not like he, he's not a 38 year old where they're
• 32:04
  trying to, you know, catch a few innings out.
• 32:10
  I think it's safe to say Mackenzie Gore is entering his
• 32:13
  prime right now. Again, if things go the way they
• 32:16
  should. At what point are we like saying
• 32:19
  that? Like maybe he didn't live up to
• 32:21
  the name entirely, you know what I mean?
• 32:23
  Like a valid point. Lucas Giolito was like the belle
• 32:26
  of the ball and talked about like untouchable, and then
• 32:29
  finally he gets moved and then it's like he kind of stumbles
• 32:33
  along for a couple years and then now he's just like a middle
• 32:35
  rotation guy. It's got a little bit of Andrew
• 32:38
  Heaney vibes, right? Big name, which moved a lot in,
• 32:41
  involved in some big trades coming over from the Marlins.
• 32:45
  Kiki Hernandez was in that. Deal.
• 32:47
  It ends up being more depth than than frontline, that's all.
• 32:51
  Nate, I will trade you. You were.
• 32:53
  Wrong. Because I hope he, I hope he
• 32:54
  ends up good. He's looked really good in in
• 32:57
  certain stretches. I just want to see a full
• 32:59
  season. Nate, I will trade you Anthony
• 33:02
  Volpe, Jordan Romano and Connor Wong for Tarek Scubble.
• 33:08
  No deal. See, The thing is, you laughed.
• 33:14
  Josh, he, he would pull off a trade like that and he would
• 33:18
  have a justification for it and he would gaslight you into
• 33:21
  thinking, oh, shoot, Nate just kind of got, he just kind of got
• 33:26
  fleeced, to be honest with you, like Jordan Romano.
• 33:29
  Like, did he really? Just I would I would talk down
• 33:32
  school at that point if I. Got It's insane.
• 33:35
  I don't know how he does it. Guy's a salesman at heart.
• 33:40
  Can't, can't ever change. It's insane.
• 33:42
  By the way, the the Matt Holiday trade was a three for one.
• 33:47
  Brett went along with Shane Peterson and Clayton Mortenson.
• 33:51
  Cool, there you go. Sorry.
• 33:55
  He was in that Royals well and Roy Holiday 1/2 I think.
• 33:59
  I don't, I don't know how that worked, but there's like a
• 34:01
  potentially a three-way trade back in the day.
• 34:05
  And so Nate, don't feel bad. He's gotten me a handful of
• 34:09
  times. It's funny when we I think our
• 34:11
  idea when we brought Josh on was like it.
• 34:13
  Was not Fact Check us we. No, no, that was the idea was
• 34:17
  the Fact Check us. And now that he's doing it, it's
• 34:20
  like, all right, guy, like let it, let us breathe a little bit.
• 34:27
  We don't. We don't know.
• 34:28
  He was the headliner of that trade, OK.
• 34:30
  We don't know at all, yeah. He certainly was.
• 34:33
  Yeah, yeah. All right.
• 34:34
  Yeah. He was also traded for Michael
• 34:36
  Taylor. Man, I'm on your side.
• 34:40
  Well, that's a good question. No, no, Michael Taylor, I've.
• 34:44
  Never heard of him, I only know. What was?
• 34:47
  Anthony goes. The the Michael Taylor, Michael
• 34:52
  A Nate, I'm on your side here. Thanks, dude.
• 34:57
  Harrison Bader. Oh, Harrison.
• 35:01
  Love you. Harrison Bader.
• 35:03
  Oh brother, this. Guy.
• 35:06
  Stinks. That was to Josh, not Harrison
• 35:09
  Bader. No, I'm just kidding.
• 35:11
  I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
• 35:11
  I'm kidding, I'm kidding. No, I'm kidding.
• 35:13
  No, I nothing against Harrison Bader. 2 year, 20 and a half,
• 35:18
  $1,000,000 deal with the Giants. Presumably we'll be there
• 35:22
  everyday. Center fielder.
• 35:24
  Does this move Jung Huli to right?
• 35:26
  I was reading. Seems as though that'll be the
• 35:29
  case. Why?
• 35:34
  Why not? Wasn't he better?
• 35:36
  Feel like he's a better center fielder.
• 35:38
  Than Harrison Bader. There's some guys, not many guys
• 35:41
  better than Harrison Bader. Yeah, Harrison Bader's nails in
• 35:44
  the outfield I. Don't know, Jung Huli looks
• 35:47
  really good. Is this in like a preserve the
• 35:50
  body kind of thing 'cause there's some injuries?
• 35:52
  The grandson of the wind dude. What in the dude balled out.
• 35:58
  Hold on, Josh. Don't tell me you don't know.
• 36:00
  You don't know who Grandson of the Wind is, Uh.
• 36:03
  Oh no. It's from Pocahontas.
• 36:09
  No, it's. Jung Hu Lee.
• 36:10
  That's his that's that's his nickname.
• 36:13
  How have oh nickname? Are you guys just finding this
• 36:16
  out for the first time? 100%.
• 36:18
  Wow. Yeah, Grant's Under the Wind.
• 36:20
  Jung Hu Lee. Yeah, by outs above average
• 36:24
  standard last year Nate -5 for Jung Hu Lee positive 792nd
• 36:33
  percentile. I thought that was the whole
• 36:35
  big. Point the arm is very good,
• 36:37
  which will play really well in right field and coming over he
• 36:40
  was defensively, he was looked at as good it it just didn't go
• 36:44
  as well. That wind came to a screeching
• 36:47
  halt at TSA at LAX. But he'd never felt the San
• 36:50
  Francisco win before. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 36:52
  That was that was unnecessary. That was that's that's let's.
• 36:56
  Walk that back a bit. Harrison Vader has has
• 37:00
  consistently been one of the one of the top dogs in the outfield.
• 37:05
  No, I get it. I love Vader.
• 37:06
  He's a, he's a good vibes guy. Who's the who's the young kid
• 37:10
  over over there That's just the funniest, weirdest clubhouse guy
• 37:14
  ever in San Francisco, I think. Yeah, I think he was a rookie
• 37:19
  last year. Just a full on weirdo.
• 37:21
  He's always miked up, always messing with people.
• 37:26
  In the outfield. I don't know.
• 37:28
  I think he's an infielder. I'm not sure you say the name.
• 37:33
  I'm going to remember it. Bryce Eldridge.
• 37:36
  Yeah. Big tall guy.
• 37:38
  No. No.
• 37:39
  Short guy. As a local, as a local boy,
• 37:41
  that's the local boy out here. He's going to be.
• 37:45
  He's going to be. I don't know, I feel like him
• 37:47
  and him and him and Bader are going to be homies.
• 37:51
  It's a fun. That sounds like a fun
• 37:52
  clubhouse. No, I got to figure this out.
• 37:54
  It's Gerald Tyler Fitzgerald. No, this is going to bother me
• 37:59
  now. Yeah.
• 38:01
  Let's all look it up. Hayden Bird Something drew.
• 38:05
  Gilbert, yes, Drew Gilbert Dude, look up Drew Gilbert stuff on
• 38:10
  social media. The guy's hilarious, constantly
• 38:13
  messing with dudes, super funny, keeps it real light all the time
• 38:18
  and they kept Vader's like a vibes guy.
• 38:21
  Vader's just a fan favorite wherever he goes, and it's
• 38:26
  random clutch home runs. He's very clutch player.
• 38:30
  Super good defensively, I like him.
• 38:35
  Oh, wait a minute, was Drew Gilbert the same?
• 38:41
  That was the same guy, if you remember.
• 38:44
  I completely forgot about this. He played for Tennessee.
• 38:49
  Do you remember seeing the video of the kid pimp in the home run?
• 38:53
  And then hold on, let me he stands there and watched it and
• 39:03
  then just launches the bat. Oh, I thought this was the one
• 39:07
  with the umpire. Like push him along, push him
• 39:10
  along. That was a different one.
• 39:11
  But he has. He has.
• 39:13
  No, this if pretty. Where did he go?
• 39:16
  Where did he go? To Tennessee?
• 39:17
  Yeah. It's like any funny college
• 39:20
  video that you've seen. It's like that type of guy has
• 39:24
  now made it to well, that's leagues and has like kept that
• 39:27
  same like clubhouse like just fun random stuff.
• 39:33
  He's hilarious. That's the Tony V era too at
• 39:35
  Tennessee. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:37
  Which I'm sure fed into it probably.
• 39:41
  I like what's going on out there.
• 39:43
  I'm, I'm starting to, I'm starting to lock in a little bit
• 39:48
  more. I kind of like San Francisco
• 39:52
  kind of like it. Loose Let's just go have fun,
• 39:56
  win some games. Keeping it in the NL W you,
• 39:59
  Darvish. Kind of a weird situation.
• 40:02
  What's going on there? So apparently there was a port.
• 40:06
  Let me see here timeline wise about I'm reading here.
• 40:11
  A month and 1/2 after his surgery, Darvish said he wasn't
• 40:16
  sure if he'd be able to pitch again.
• 40:18
  And then this past weekend, there was a report that
• 40:21
  indicated that Darvish had informed the team of his
• 40:25
  intention to retire, of his intention to retire And then put
• 40:32
  out something on social, which I saw, 'cause I, I keep seeing all
• 40:34
  this, you Darvish breaking retiring graphics.
• 40:38
  I'm like, oh Dang, crazy. Wow that he waited till almost
• 40:43
  February. And then he comes out with a
• 40:46
  post on on Instagram and says, you may have seen an article.
• 40:50
  And although I'm leaning towards voiding the contract, there's
• 40:53
  still a lot that has to be talked over with the Padres.
• 40:55
  So the finer details are yet to be decided.
• 40:58
  Also, I will not be announcing my my retirement yet.
• 41:01
  Right now I'm fully focused on my rehab for my elbow.
• 41:04
  And if I get to a point where I can throw again, I will start
• 41:07
  from scratch again to compete. If I if once I get to that
• 41:10
  point, I feel I can't do that, I will announce my retirement.
• 41:19
  I don't know how much I care about this.
• 41:25
  You Darvish. I'm I'm all done.
• 41:27
  Good career. You have the ability, Nate, when
• 41:30
  I send over the list to like, I don't, I don't care to really
• 41:34
  talk about that and I can take it off the list.
• 41:36
  You knew that coming into this. You knew this was on the list of
• 41:39
  things I wanted to wrap up at the end.
• 41:41
  I know I thought I cared. I really don't.
• 41:43
  As you were reading this story, I cared less.
• 41:45
  I. Fair.
• 41:49
  I'm just all done with you, Darvish.
• 41:51
  The are you hurt? Are you not hurt?
• 41:52
  How many innings are you going to give us?
• 41:54
  Can't wait till he comes back. Is he going to save the
• 41:56
  rotation? Is he going to come back in the
• 41:57
  bullpen or is he going to hop back in the rotation?
• 41:59
  How many innings are we going to get out of him?
• 42:00
  Did he find a new pitch? Like I'm like?
• 42:02
  I'm done. I'm all done.
• 42:05
  That when you get that from Nate, you're you're toast.
• 42:08
  In his book. When you get the I'm all done,
• 42:12
  All done, it's over. All done, All done.
• 42:18
  All done with. With the Padres, like now all.
• 42:20
  Hold on with the Padres. What are the Yeah dude, how is
• 42:23
  this their fault? All of these contracts are
• 42:25
  starting to smell all of these bad contracts.
• 42:28
  Starting to smell. We knew these contracts were bad
• 42:32
  when they were signed. We knew that they were going to
• 42:34
  smell. Now they're smelling.
• 42:36
  I smell them. I can smell.
• 42:38
  What do they smell like? Probably like, you know, if I
• 42:46
  walked home then it was 115° and you know, my Gooch was a little
• 42:53
  steady. OK, OK.
• 42:56
  You asked something like that. You asked.
• 43:01
  We don't. That's what it's starting to
• 43:02
  smell like out there in San. Diego, we don't.
• 43:04
  No, we don't. We don't need to hear.
• 43:13
  We don't need to hear about sweaty Gooch the Gooch.
• 43:17
  We don't Sweaty. Gooch.
• 43:20
  Look, you're making Josh blush. You're embarrassing him talking
• 43:23
  about this kind of nonsense, this kind of filth on this show.
• 43:26
  This is a family program. What other smell can you think
• 43:29
  of? I mean, I could have gone a
• 43:31
  million other different ways before arriving at that.
• 43:35
  I don't think that would have been as accurate.
• 43:36
  That was crazy. That's definitely getting
• 43:38
  clipped for the three O take no context Twitter account.
• 43:43
  You can you can guarantee it. That's getting that's getting
• 43:48
  clipped. Little plug for that.
• 43:50
  By the way, if you if you're if you're a fan of the show, if
• 43:53
  you're a fan of the program and you're looking for some good,
• 43:56
  you know, occasional entertainment, head on over to
• 44:03
  what is it? Hold on, let me pull it up.
• 44:07
  Believe the first clip on there is.
• 44:08
  I'm a big Peter guy, yeah. One of the first clips on there
• 44:11
  was I'm a big Peter guy. It's no context.
• 44:18
  That's up there. Shout out Andrew recent recently
• 44:23
  made account. It's called No context 30 take
• 44:28
  at no context 30 take on Twitter or X.
• 44:32
  It's a it's a great it's a great account.
• 44:35
  I love it. I love it dearly.
• 44:38
  OK, so you Darvish. Sweat a Gooch.
• 44:41
  Throw that in the garbage can, I guess.
• 44:43
  No disrespect. Let me ask you this.
• 44:46
  You care more about this the fact that Aaron Judge known
• 44:52
  known failure in October. Take that back.
• 45:01
  I don't think I will. How do you feel about him
• 45:05
  gracing the cover of And It'll Be The Show?
• 45:09
  I was surprised. I'm actually I think the graphic
• 45:13
  with him in the USA jersey looks a little weird.
• 45:15
  It's like a little distorted and I can't figure out why.
• 45:17
  It looks funky to me. Are you saying it's AI slop?
• 45:20
  Is that what you're? Are you accusing?
• 45:22
  It will be the. Slop.
• 45:22
  I don't know the angle of it is head.
• 45:25
  I can't quite figure out why it just looks slightly off.
• 45:30
  Slightly off. I knew MLB The Show was up to
• 45:32
  something because they tweeted. I was like, I think the the day
• 45:36
  before they were like, we will not be coming out with a new
• 45:39
  cover athlete. And everybody's like, OK, let's
• 45:40
  go back and look at the athletes that they've already had because
• 45:43
  that's what obviously what it means.
• 45:44
  And sure enough, it's Aaron Judge because he was on 18, I
• 45:48
  think. Yeah, which was.
• 45:51
  Pre pre peak in my mind so I'm glad there's a return here.
• 45:56
  Yeah. And then?
• 45:57
  The first one, right? That movie.
• 45:59
  The show hasn't done that before.
• 46:01
  First, repeat. Repeat.
• 46:04
  Why do I feel like there was somebody else?
• 46:08
  I don't think they've ever done it.
• 46:10
  It wasn't Mauer. Mauer was on there just once.
• 46:16
  Was it really? Wow.
• 46:20
  Yeah. Then 19 was our sweet young
• 46:21
  Prince, which by the way, that you go back and look at that
• 46:24
  cover slop, that was before they had the ability to, I think,
• 46:30
  successfully pull off a jersey swap.
• 46:32
  Because if you remember, he was named the cover athlete, but
• 46:35
  they didn't know who he was going to play for because that's
• 46:38
  prior to him signing his contract.
• 46:41
  And if you look at that, Phillies uniform could not be
• 46:45
  more computer generated, the worst cover they've come out
• 46:51
  with in the franchise. Oh, that is bad.
• 46:53
  That is bad. So bad.
• 46:55
  Yeah, forgot about that one. Awful.
• 46:59
  But yeah, by the way, you nailed that.
• 47:01
  Joe Mauer, MLB The Show, 10 and 11.
• 47:04
  Bam. Back-to-back years.
• 47:05
  How about that pull? Granted I said it wasn't him so
• 47:08
  I guess I'm technically wrong, but it was the name of mind.
• 47:11
  It was the name of the credit. They wow back-to-back years.
• 47:15
  Yeah. Dude back then MLB the Show did
• 47:19
  not have the respect. I loved it back then.
• 47:23
  The first I had the I think it was O 7, maybe O 5, something
• 47:31
  like that. What kind of I thought I thought
• 47:33
  they started O 6. David Wright I think was on a
• 47:37
  cover back then. I thought they started O 6
• 47:45
  because then they take the torch from like the MVP series because
• 47:48
  MVP fell off. Yeah, they ended it.
• 47:50
  And then I think MV MLB The Show took over and I think it was O
• 47:53
  6. Do you see what I'm saying about
• 47:55
  the Judge USA? Oh, let me pull that up.
• 48:01
  So it was. It was MLB.
• 48:03
  It wasn't. Just MLB.
• 48:04
  It wasn't until O. Six.
• 48:05
  Yeah, it was MLB. They were, they were 98 is when
• 48:09
  they started doing. MLB.
• 48:11
  It was just MLB 98 and then in ML, in MLBO 6 they started
• 48:16
  calling it The Show and it was Big Poppy.
• 48:20
  Well, the Nate to your point, the USA that's, that's a
• 48:23
  Photoshop obviously because he hasn't, he hasn't debuted those
• 48:27
  3. No, but his body like looks too
• 48:28
  small compared to the size of his head.
• 48:30
  I don't know, just a small gripe.
• 48:34
  Small. Understood.
• 48:34
  Understood. That's all I got.
• 48:36
  I love that. I love the nod to WBC. 100%
• 48:40
  that's huge. I think that they're like, yeah,
• 48:45
  'cause they're going to have like these patches and I mean, I
• 48:49
  don't know, we were talking about it off air.
• 48:51
  It's like really helped maybe added to the the card element,
• 48:58
  you know, over these last few years, like MLB The Show is like
• 49:01
  really like dude, they're dive in on that.
• 49:03
  You know, I like it. They're.
• 49:05
  I, I think we can safely say that by going head first into
• 49:09
  the WBC element here with MLB The Show, we can safely say that
• 49:13
  that is now fully mainstream. If the, if there was any
• 49:16
  question, I think having, yeah, having the WBC as a, as an
• 49:21
  element to MLB The Show now that's dude, this thing is going
• 49:25
  to continue to blow up like this is.
• 49:28
  And I can, I obviously I would have no way of knowing, but I
• 49:31
  was thinking about this like today or yesterday.
• 49:34
  I think we're getting to that point of this of the year where
• 49:37
  players who opted not to play for whatever reason are going to
• 49:41
  start getting real FOMO. Yeah, I, I think what's crazy is
• 49:49
  that it's probably not even credit to the US team.
• 49:54
  It's probably more credit to the Japan team because you see all
• 49:58
  of these names that have come after they won the last one, You
• 50:04
  know, like all the hype around Yamamoto, now he's here, now
• 50:08
  he's dicing Sasaki. It's just sick.
• 50:14
  Like it's, that's so cool. That's God.
• 50:17
  I can't wait to be there dude. I'm excited.
• 50:19
  It's. Going to be great.
• 50:20
  It's going to be great. I'm excited.
• 50:22
  You know what else is going to be great?
• 50:24
  Murray's Question of the Week. Murray's question of the Week.
• 50:29
  Murray wants to know this week which year and team is was your
• 50:38
  favorite example. His was the 2017 Dodgers.
• 50:42
  Known Dodgers fanatic. He's going 2017 Dodgers.
• 50:55
  For the sake of air, I would imagine this has to be like your
• 51:01
  favorite team. And then you know you're not
• 51:03
  going to just oh, my Yankees fan.
• 51:05
  But it was this team for it was the IT was the such and such
• 51:10
  Kansas City Royals. That was my favorite.
• 51:12
  Man, I love. Do that right.
• 51:14
  I love the O7 Diamondbacks. You know.
• 51:22
  Yeah, I mean that could be a fun way to answer.
• 51:24
  It is like your non team's. Favorite team?
• 51:26
  Yeah, let's do that. I like that.
• 51:28
  Oh. But you said O 7 dude.
• 51:31
  I honestly the O 7 Rockies was probably the most fun of
• 51:36
  watching like non Yankee baseball that I've ever had
• 51:39
  being. How did?
• 51:41
  Because this is my first year in Colorado and that was the the
• 51:45
  game 163 Matt Holiday, you know, sliding in the home.
• 51:50
  I mean, Todd Hilton was still there.
• 51:53
  I, you know, Tulo was like, I was at games and like the entire
• 51:58
  stadium's chanting a rookie's name.
• 52:00
  Like to me, that blew my mind. Cargoes on that team like that.
• 52:05
  That team was just like. It got swept in the World
• 52:08
  Series, four games and none. Well, they had two weeks off
• 52:13
  before they played, but I was at that.
• 52:16
  I was at that NLDS game. They played played against the
• 52:20
  Phillies where the lights went out.
• 52:22
  Remember that when the lights of the whole stadium went dark and
• 52:24
  then they were losing by like 3 and then they came back on and
• 52:27
  won? Yeah, that team I had a lot of
• 52:31
  fun watching. That's fair.
• 52:37
  Non favorite team probably. Send me the question early so I
• 52:45
  can think about it and then throw a curveball last minute.
• 52:50
  Well, I mean, you got it. No, I, I sent you guys the
• 52:53
  question so you could think about it, but we're just adding
• 52:55
  a slight twist. That's all.
• 52:56
  I didn't read it. I didn't read any of this.
• 52:58
  That's why I was surprised. Whether you Darvish the.
• 53:01
  Yeah, see, so my answer was. Now you people, now you people
• 53:04
  not why I say now people have known.
• 53:06
  You see what I have to put up with with this guy, but I do it
• 53:10
  anyway. Now that Josh is here, it's way
• 53:12
  worse too. Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 53:15
  When Nate found out that Josh was joining the show, he's like,
• 53:18
  now I dude, I don't have to No, I was kidding my.
• 53:23
  Answer was going to be the 2013 2013 Pirates team.
• 53:28
  OK. That's your, you know what I'm
• 53:30
  saying? What?
• 53:31
  Oh, oh, oh, was going to be your answer.
• 53:33
  I was like because. That's what you're saying.
• 53:34
  Like, I mean, I even thought about it.
• 53:36
  But that team there was all three of those years was fun.
• 53:42
  Go ahead. Come on, man.
• 53:44
  Cueto. It's peak.
• 53:50
  No, it was just, I mean, obviously Kutch went an MVP and
• 53:53
  and all those years of losing and coming out of it, that was.
• 53:58
  Man that summer. That summer was.
• 54:00
  Another MLB The Show cover athlete?
• 54:02
  Yeah. That's right, Kutch. 3rd That
• 54:04
  MVP was 13. That's ridiculous.
• 54:07
  What that's? Ridiculous to say out loud.
• 54:11
  I would probably have to say, I mean, not spending hours
• 54:16
  thinking about it. I feel like my first reaction
• 54:18
  would be the 19 nationals, that World Series team.
• 54:20
  Yeah, that team. Dude, I, I, if you've, if you've
• 54:25
  listened to me, if you know me, you know that I love when a team
• 54:27
  has a thing. They had so many.
• 54:29
  Things like the baby that like really early in that.
• 54:32
  The team of Destiny. Oh yeah, yeah, I I could see it
• 54:36
  from a mile away, 'cause they like that group.
• 54:38
  You looked at that group and you're like, the fact that
• 54:40
  they're even here is unbelievable.
• 54:44
  And I, I you could just see the pieces starting to fall into
• 54:48
  place. And with every series of pass,
• 54:49
  you're like, OK, you get past the Dodgers.
• 54:52
  You, I mean, you end up, yeah, when I when that thing went
• 54:56
  seven against Houston, I was like, put all of your money on
• 55:00
  the Nationals. There is no way they're not
• 55:02
  winning this thing. And that was a fun thing to
• 55:04
  watch. I was at that wild card game.
• 55:06
  If you remember that ball that Soto hit out to Trent Grisham
• 55:11
  and he, he slipped, yeah, he slipped and it rolled to the
• 55:14
  fence. That place came unglued.
• 55:17
  That was fun to watch. And seeing Zimmerman finally,
• 55:22
  you know, get his time after kind of sort of front of the pod
• 55:29
  local. He's he's not too far from where
• 55:32
  I work. But yeah, that was that was a
• 55:36
  fun group. All right.
• 55:38
  Well I mean, favorite team I guess it's the easy one Be the
• 55:42
  09 Yankees. For me it's just like my first
• 55:46
  time being like fully grown and aware.
• 55:52
  That team was freaking stacked. If we're going favorite team, I
• 55:57
  would say 13 socks. Really. 13, yeah, I wouldn't
• 56:02
  expect to that. Yeah, I mean, 18 at that point,
• 56:05
  I wasn't watching every single game. 18 I watched every game
• 56:08
  that year yeah but the 13 bunch man, I mean. 13 probably still
• 56:14
  had like your classic guys that you grew up with that.
• 56:16
  Yeah. Pedroia, Poppy.
• 56:19
  Yeah. Friend of the pod Brandon
• 56:20
  Snyder, local hero, also made an appearance that year.
• 56:24
  He ended up getting a ring for that, by the way.
• 56:26
  He yeah, he had, he had a couple games with them that year.
• 56:30
  So yeah, that that was just a a perfect storm of so many things.
• 56:35
  I remember I could take you to the spot where I was when Poppy
• 56:38
  hit that that home run against the Tigers off Benoit, the one
• 56:42
  where Tori Hunter flipped over the fence.
• 56:45
  Yeah, that, that was one of my favorite.
• 56:49
  In the security guard, the bullpen, bullpen cop.
• 56:55
  So for my non pirates. There you go, we bought you some
• 57:00
  time. Yeah, bought me some time.
• 57:01
  I'm going to go 97 Mariners and I'm probably going to hear about
• 57:07
  that later. You're dating yourself.
• 57:08
  Hey, that's you. You said it, not us.
• 57:10
  Listen, I'm a kid. I got Ken Griffith, junior Jay
• 57:15
  Buhner, Edgar Martinez, that whole group.
• 57:19
  The. Dan Wilson.
• 57:21
  Dan Wilson. That's the Edgar walk off down
• 57:25
  the left field line. Griffey scores from first.
• 57:27
  Griffey scores from first. Walk off the Yankees.
• 57:30
  Randy Johnson. Jamie Moyer, like a lot of that.
• 57:35
  That was a really, that was a really cool team.
• 57:37
  Joey Cora. Did you know that at the time,
• 57:42
  I'll probably botch this step, but did you know that at the
• 57:45
  time of his retirement, I think Jamie Moyer had struck out like
• 57:48
  9% of all of all time? That's cool.
• 57:55
  That was Griffey's MVP season 2 so that's I mean if it's not
• 58:00
  been said on here, Griffey's all time favorite player for me so.
• 58:04
  I don't know that I knew that about you, actually.
• 58:05
  Yeah, all time. Remember we were talking before
• 58:08
  I told you that whole stack of oh right, Griffey cards.
• 58:11
  It kind of checks out. But yeah, we actually just got
• 58:14
  new Griffey shirts for our kids because they'll keep doing it.
• 58:20
  Not that they already had the bubble gum one.
• 58:21
  This is a new one. It's the Sweet Swings cans.
• 58:24
  Oh yeah, I saw. That yeah, with the bad.
• 58:27
  Shoes. I those.
• 58:30
  Are hard to find. Saw them in the mall in Atlanta.
• 58:33
  When I was there, when I was playing, I never went a year
• 58:36
  without buying the new Griffey's, the the Griffey
• 58:39
  cleats and I can't wear Nikes. I didn't care.
• 58:43
  Like Nikes are too narrow for me.
• 58:45
  And I was like, don't care wearing the Griffey's.
• 58:49
  You're such a Midwesterner. Feet are too wide for Nikes.
• 58:54
  Dude, there was one. I can't.
• 58:55
  Explain it, man. It's just, it's a Midwestern
• 58:57
  thing. I don't know why it is, but it
• 58:59
  is. I wore the Poppy Reeboks one
• 59:02
  year and I said never again. I can't I.
• 59:04
  Remember that, I remember that. I was like, this is my guy, but
• 59:08
  I can't never again. Yeah, those things were.
• 59:12
  Didn't they have the flap? The tongue flap?
• 59:16
  Those were tough. Maybe the tongue flap cleat
• 59:19
  days? When I think tongue flap I think
• 59:22
  Ripken for sure with the orange orange swoosh on them.
• 59:26
  Yeah, those were sick. Those were sick.
• 59:29
  Yeah, majority of the tongue flap cleats were not.
• 59:33
  Yeah. I'm, I'm such an old head when
• 59:37
  it comes to this, but I, I still think black cleats are just, I
• 59:42
  mean, I, I totally get why we've ventured away from that, but
• 59:45
  like when you see a black cleat. I love the white cleats.
• 59:49
  I love the white cleats. Talk about like another fun
• 59:53
  team. Like I like those.
• 59:55
  Like the Eric Chavez A's. 2 Early 2000A's.
• 59:59
  Yeah, dude, like those were fun. Not like not.
• 1:00:02
  Because the white vaults. But like, I love the white
• 1:00:05
  cleats, I thought they look so good and they were like the only
• 1:00:08
  team that did them back then. I don't know why they got away
• 1:00:11
  from that. Well.
• 1:00:13
  They all wear their own cleats now, you know what I mean?
• 1:00:15
  There's there's no not many teams who are all wearing the
• 1:00:18
  same color. Which is a whole other thing
• 1:00:21
  that a whole other can of worms that I'm like, can we just wear
• 1:00:25
  it? Like guys don't even wear that.
• 1:00:28
  I don't we we don't need to go down the trap hole, but guys
• 1:00:30
  don't even wear the same belts anymore.
• 1:00:33
  Like, I don't know, I don't know if you've noticed that like
• 1:00:35
  different colors, different styles.
• 1:00:38
  Personalized. I've seen Chrome belts.
• 1:00:41
  Oh yeah. I've seen metallic belts,
• 1:00:43
  personalized belts embroidered. Belts.
• 1:00:45
  Where's like the diamond studded belt?
• 1:00:48
  Diamond Studded. Belts.
• 1:00:49
  I mean at what point is have have we dog?
• 1:00:52
  Collar. It's crazy.
• 1:00:53
  At what point have we gone too far, you know?
• 1:00:55
  Guys don't even wear the same color sliding.
• 1:00:59
  I couldn't even do the whole thing.
• 1:01:00
  Like, dude, the the accessories in the game right now are just
• 1:01:05
  and, and love them or hate them, but they're they are.
• 1:01:09
  They're just all over the place. I couldn't believe that the
• 1:01:11
  Yankees were letting Jazz Chisholm wear purple.
• 1:01:15
  I know. That's the one color I can't get
• 1:01:17
  behind. I'm like, unless you play for
• 1:01:19
  the Rockies or. Old school Diamondback throwback
• 1:01:23
  uni. True.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah, yeah. Rockets or D backs?
• 1:01:25
  Like what are we doing? Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  I don't know anyway. Anyway.
• 1:01:31
  That's Murray's question of the week.
• 1:01:34
  Good job, Murray. Josh, let's put you on the spot.
• 1:01:37
  But do we have trivia? We do have trivia.
• 1:01:39
  Hey, we do have trivia and it is it is based around you dartfish.
• 1:01:47
  Oh my goodness. Freaking knew it.
• 1:01:49
  I said I was dumb. I thought about as soon as you
• 1:01:53
  said I don't care, well, you could not care about the
• 1:01:55
  situation, but you know, I always try to do something that
• 1:01:57
  has something to do with it. You Darvish was one that I I
• 1:02:00
  figured this would be an easy one.
• 1:02:02
  Came over here second fastest player to 2000 strikeouts.
• 1:02:08
  So, you know, that's that's something.
• 1:02:11
  Yeah, but but Nate's all done with him, so.
• 1:02:13
  He's all well, he's all done with maybe the situation.
• 1:02:16
  I, I think if I think if he's all done with him, then we can
• 1:02:19
  just write him his card and tell him happy retirement and talk
• 1:02:22
  about what he accomplished in his career. 297 starts, 1778
• 1:02:29
  innings, 2075 strikeouts. So I'm going to just go off of
• 1:02:33
  that real quick because what I'm going to look at here is by
• 1:02:37
  innings pitched quickest to 2000 strikeouts.
• 1:02:40
  And I got to tell you, I had a hard time actually finding this
• 1:02:44
  stat down to AT I'm trying all different kinds of tools.
• 1:02:48
  So I ended up with if the if somebody wants to call out the
• 1:02:51
  show because I got something wrong, then we can do that.
• 1:02:55
  But I'm going with screwball. I don't know if you're familiar
• 1:02:57
  with screwball. It is a.
• 1:02:59
  It is a peanut. Butter whiskey.
• 1:03:03
  Nope, this is a website. What are you talking about?
• 1:03:06
  Screwball dot AI it is a it is a a module that you can that you
• 1:03:12
  can look up baseball stats, just very hard to do AI sucks at it.
• 1:03:16
  This page is more specific. It just understanding what
• 1:03:20
  you're asking and then just looking up the stats.
• 1:03:22
  If anyone challenges you all, fight them.
• 1:03:24
  No, it's it's fine. And if you've got a better way
• 1:03:27
  to do. It where's my, where do I?
• 1:03:28
  I don't get that kind of support.
• 1:03:33
  So all we're looking for here? Fantasy.
• 1:03:35
  I bring stuff to the table and he's like, I don't care, let's
• 1:03:38
  move on. All we're looking for here is
• 1:03:40
  pitchers to reach 2000 strikeouts in under 2000 innings
• 1:03:45
  pitched. So.
• 1:03:46
  Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander. Hold on, hold on.
• 1:03:49
  What I have here, What I have here is the end of.
• 1:03:54
  Keisha Phillips. I don't know why it's the end of
• 1:03:57
  the game, but it's the end of the game.
• 1:04:00
  There is. I probably shouldn't.
• 1:04:02
  There's 10 more guys on this list along with you, Darvish,
• 1:04:07
  and it is. It is 2000 strikeouts in under
• 1:04:11
  2000 innings, so you got 10 guys to guess.
• 1:04:16
  In addition to Darvish. So there's ten that we have to
• 1:04:18
  guess. There's 10 to guess.
• 1:04:20
  There is 11 total. Including Darvish.
• 1:04:24
  Including Darvish. So I've already obviously given
• 1:04:26
  up Darvish. Let's see if we can get him.
• 1:04:28
  And really, they're not there is there is one that's hard and a
• 1:04:32
  matter of fact, I'm going to give you 1.
• 1:04:34
  No, don't give us one, OK? No, don't give it to us.
• 1:04:39
  I won't. Where does Darvish and?
• 1:04:41
  Darvish is number 2. #2 You said OK.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah, he's the second fastest. There is a current player right
• 1:04:46
  now who is who has this record. And I, I mean, I remembered this
• 1:04:52
  so. All right, I'm going to break
• 1:04:54
  out my handy dandy whiteboard. Yeah, let's do it.
• 1:04:58
  We've got, we've got 10 names on the list.
• 1:05:00
  A couple of them are older, but you will get one of them.
• 1:05:04
  There's no shot. Actually, three of them are a
• 1:05:07
  little bit. Let's just go.
• 1:05:09
  You guys can get the list. All right.
• 1:05:11
  Verlander. Not on the list.
• 1:05:13
  Sick. Off to hot start.
• 1:05:16
  It's a great start. Verlander, by the way, I think
• 1:05:20
  he was right around 2160. Kershaw.
• 1:05:24
  Kershaw is #7 on the list. All right.
• 1:05:27
  Garrett Cole. Garrett Cole is #4 on the list.
• 1:05:31
  This guy sucks on the list guy. Yeah, yeah, but what does this
• 1:05:35
  list matter? How old are we going here, do
• 1:05:38
  you think? It's probably that name that he
• 1:05:41
  said is impossible. No.
• 1:05:44
  Well, no, there's one there's. Some oldies.
• 1:05:48
  There's an older one, but it's, it's one that I, it's one that's
• 1:05:50
  reachable. You guys can probably get there.
• 1:05:55
  And, and I, I mean, I can tell you it's in the 60s.
• 1:05:58
  There's one in the 60s, two in the 70s.
• 1:06:00
  Bob Gibson. That was where my mind went.
• 1:06:04
  No. Come on.
• 1:06:07
  Nolan Ryan. Nolan Ryan is number 8 on the
• 1:06:10
  list. He's one of the ones in the 70s.
• 1:06:16
  Randy Johnson. Randy Johnson is #5?
• 1:06:28
  What give us this hint? What is the old?
• 1:06:31
  Did you? Or unless you already said it,
• 1:06:32
  what's the old or like the furthest back?
• 1:06:35
  That is it. The one in the 60s is the
• 1:06:36
  furthest. Back.
• 1:06:37
  It's the guy we'll never get. No, there's one guy that's 1971.
• 1:06:42
  You won't get him if you get him.
• 1:06:45
  I mean, I've never heard of him. This is 2000 strikeouts, you
• 1:06:47
  said? 2000 strikeouts in under 2000
• 1:06:50
  innings. Did you?
• 1:06:53
  Go Sandy Koufax. I I was Sandy Koufax.
• 1:06:55
  About that, that's the oldest one.
• 1:06:57
  Yes, that 1965 he's #9 on the list.
• 1:07:00
  Wait, that's the guy you didn't think we'd get?
• 1:07:02
  No. That's the one in the 60s that I
• 1:07:04
  thought you would get. There's a guy in 1971 who's
• 1:07:07
  number 10 on the list that you likely will not get.
• 1:07:10
  Oil Can Boyd. He's I don't see him.
• 1:07:14
  I'm just kidding, you said Koufax was 9.
• 1:07:16
  Koufax was 9. What are our slots that are
• 1:07:19
  open? We need 1310 and 11:00 and 6:00.
• 1:07:22
  Sorry, 136. You said one is active.
• 1:07:26
  One is active. 6 like the number.
• 1:07:29
  One active. Active.
• 1:07:31
  Scherzer that is the number six guy.
• 1:07:34
  Yes #11 I don't think so. Yeah, I, you know what?
• 1:07:42
  I think that's number 11. May or may not be.
• 1:07:48
  Paul Skeens after next year. Yes.
• 1:07:51
  No, he was not active. That number 11 was not active in
• 1:07:58
  20250. That's right.
• 1:08:01
  Yeah, man, sometimes you just blank.
• 1:08:07
  Juan Mershal. Juan Mershal, Fernando
• 1:08:10
  Valenzuela. No, I'm, I'm looking for some of
• 1:08:20
  the names you have. You have brought up Clemens.
• 1:08:25
  You said that before we started. Roger Clemens #22 was not under
• 1:08:29
  2000 innings. He had a little bit of a slow
• 1:08:31
  start. Well.
• 1:08:32
  That's kind of what I was thinking too.
• 1:08:33
  I. Mean that.
• 1:08:35
  Like Toronto boss 20. Strikeout games on his rookie
• 1:08:37
  season. Pedro Martinez.
• 1:08:41
  Pedro Martinez #3. Bam.
• 1:08:43
  Nice, nice. So all we got left is 1 and 11.
• 1:08:48
  No 1:10 and 11:00. And 10's you're not getting 10.
• 1:08:52
  Do you say 1 is active? One is active the heck dude, and
• 1:08:57
  I mean it. It hasn't been that long since
• 1:09:00
  he got to this point. He was the at the time, well,
• 1:09:03
  obviously at the time, but we. Said Verlander.
• 1:09:06
  We said. Verlander's number 21 was not
• 1:09:09
  there. Yeah, what he's saying is that
• 1:09:12
  he just got there. Oh right, two in my head.
• 1:09:16
  I'm, I didn't say the year yet, but he's still active.
• 1:09:19
  But yeah, he's but he, he was the fastest obviously to 2000 in
• 1:09:25
  16126 innings. 2000 strikes. I remember talking about this.
• 1:09:36
  I just don't remember who it was, but it what you said it was
• 1:09:39
  recently, right? Like last year.
• 1:09:41
  Not that recent. I don't think I don't think he
• 1:09:45
  got there any wise Who, no. Last year, well 2024, was when
• 1:09:52
  Darvish got to 2000 and he was the second.
• 1:09:56
  Oh, why is this? You said Darvish is, oh, he's #2
• 1:09:59
  OK. He's #2 Gerrit Cole was 2023
• 1:10:02
  when he got to 2000 and he would have been at the time, he would
• 1:10:06
  have been the third fastest until Darvish jumped up, then he
• 1:10:10
  moved down to 4. So that's telling you it's
• 1:10:18
  before 2023. Jacob degrom.
• 1:10:25
  That's why not degrom saying but.
• 1:10:26
  I didn't think he got there with the innings.
• 1:10:28
  Oh, oh, oh. Sorry, like I don't, I don't
• 1:10:30
  think he's at 2 or 2000 strikeouts because it's just.
• 1:10:33
  That's that's correct. And that's Chris Sale, just for
• 1:10:36
  Chris Sale is your guy. Nice.
• 1:10:39
  And now you have a guy who got it.
• 1:10:43
  Where's slot? Where's sales slot in?
• 1:10:45
  He's number one, That's it. That's he's the guy.
• 1:10:48
  Shoot #10 and #11 #10 is 1971. You can just let me know when
• 1:10:54
  you're ready to give up on that one.
• 1:10:56
  Number 11 got there in his final season in 2024.
• 1:11:01
  And yeah, I mean, just barely got it. 19190 innings and a
• 1:11:12
  third actually. And he retired, you said?
• 1:11:15
  Yes. 2024 retired just under, just beat the buzzer.
• 1:11:23
  He was 37 when he got there. Kind of a big, I would say like
• 1:11:33
  a a big personality. Trying to think of recent
• 1:11:42
  retirees. He did not play for Boston.
• 1:11:51
  He did spend one season in New York.
• 1:11:59
  So is everyone else. It's true he also spent a year
• 1:12:06
  in LA. Who do you retire with?
• 1:12:08
  Who do you retire with? That gives it away.
• 1:12:11
  He spent seven years with the teams that he retired with.
• 1:12:13
  Let me go through his teams 1st and then see if that that
• 1:12:16
  triggers it. Started with the team he spent
• 1:12:20
  most of his time with. Went to Minnesota Yankees,
• 1:12:22
  couple years with Texas, couple years with the White Sox.
• 1:12:26
  Traded to the Dodgers in the middle of that season.
• 1:12:28
  Went back to his main club. Where do the Yankees fit into
• 1:12:33
  that mix? They were.
• 1:12:35
  It was Minnesota, then the Yankees, then two years in
• 1:12:38
  Texas, two years in Chicago, 2 1/2 years in Chicago.
• 1:12:41
  Traded to the Dodgers, back to his original team.
• 1:12:45
  Andrew Heaney. Not Andrew Heaney.
• 1:12:49
  Like what? There's no way it was him.
• 1:12:53
  Andrew Heaney was pitching this past year, yeah.
• 1:12:57
  Oh, sure did, yeah. In in 2021 with the White Sox,
• 1:13:01
  he was he finished third in the Cy Young.
• 1:13:04
  The two years before that, he was fifth.
• 1:13:05
  Hold on, hold on. It's Lance Lynn.
• 1:13:07
  Lance Lynn's and the Cardinals was the team.
• 1:13:09
  Yeah, Lance Lynn is number 11 on that list.
• 1:13:12
  Any any takers on the 1971? You got any guesses there?
• 1:13:17
  Can you give us a team? Yeah, but you know what?
• 1:13:19
  I'm not going to lie, I'm going to have to look the guy up to
• 1:13:22
  give you a team. All right, all, then we're out.
• 1:13:26
  Give us the initials. What are the initials if we're?
• 1:13:29
  SM and your teams are well he did it all with Cleveland.
• 1:13:36
  Then he looks like he bounced around to the Giants, the
• 1:13:38
  Yankees and the Pirates. I never heard Pirates.
• 1:13:43
  Well, he pitched 14 games of the Pirates in 1975.
• 1:13:47
  Long before I was a human though.
• 1:13:49
  Steve Miller. You got the letters right?
• 1:13:54
  Because you gave them to us. Well, I'm trying to give him
• 1:13:57
  something. Sean McDonald.
• 1:13:59
  Oh, you got three. The first three let well first
• 1:14:03
  first 4 letters of the last name.
• 1:14:06
  McDonough, McDonough. Not that this is ridiculous.
• 1:14:12
  He was actually born in Pittsburgh, PA.
• 1:14:15
  Hold on. He said McDonald.
• 1:14:17
  He said McDonald. You said he got the 1st 4
• 1:14:21
  letters right. I said McDonald McDonough, and
• 1:14:24
  you look at me like I've got no, I'm saying.
• 1:14:26
  That, that wasn't it. It's not McDonough.
• 1:14:30
  But how many other options are McDougal?
• 1:14:32
  Well, the N the N was not correct.
• 1:14:34
  He got all excited the N McDougal.
• 1:14:37
  Right, that would be the 5th letter.
• 1:14:39
  McDougal. Not McDougal.
• 1:14:43
  It's nuts that. Makovsky.
• 1:14:48
  His name was Sam McDowell. I was going to look at that.
• 1:14:53
  McDowell was going to get there. I was going to get there with.
• 1:14:56
  You. Even if you did, you didn't know
• 1:14:58
  Sam. It was just you.
• 1:15:00
  You could have just done spin the Wheel of Names and got it.
• 1:15:03
  Yeah, we're going to play that game later.
• 1:15:07
  I'm going. To OK so RIP.
• 1:15:08
  Out Sam McDonald. Just to put a bow on.
• 1:15:11
  McDowell. Just to put a bow on this, there
• 1:15:15
  are seven players right now who are over 1500 strikeouts in less
• 1:15:20
  than 2000 innings that have a chance to actually do this as
• 1:15:26
  well. Say that again, there's what
• 1:15:28
  there's there's active players. There's seven players right now
• 1:15:32
  who I don't know if all seven of them have a chance to do this,
• 1:15:34
  but they're they're on the list to to have a chance to do this.
• 1:15:38
  One question would be Jacob degrom, who's only pitched 15139
• 1:15:43
  innings and is already at 18151 strikeouts, which is a big
• 1:15:48
  number. Robbie Ray is an interesting
• 1:15:50
  one, 1700 strikeouts, 1400 innings.
• 1:15:53
  If I don't know if he plays long enough to do that with, with the
• 1:15:56
  injuries, Carrasco's already 3839 years old.
• 1:15:59
  He's not going to get there. He's only at 1600, but.
• 1:16:02
  Got to be done. Actually, three that would
• 1:16:04
  probably be interesting. Kevin Gosman, 1954 in the
• 1:16:08
  strikeouts, 19111 innings. Sonny Gray, 1920519118 innings,
• 1:16:15
  which those guys are like they're going to do that this
• 1:16:18
  year. Yeah.
• 1:16:20
  And then Aaron Nola at 1876 strikeouts, 1715 in innings.
• 1:16:26
  So he's also a guy that could do it.
• 1:16:28
  Zach Wheeler is a little bit further away and a little bit
• 1:16:33
  older. Pretty interesting list.
• 1:16:37
  We could see more guys enter this list with only eleven guys.
• 1:16:43
  Shortlist. Yeah, that's.
• 1:16:48
  That's hitters. Hitters used to put the ball in
• 1:16:51
  play back then. That's right.
• 1:16:53
  Not no MO Sam McDowell. Sam.
• 1:17:02
  McDowell on that man's name. That's right.
• 1:17:05
  Man, oh man. The Sam McDowell episode.
• 1:17:10
  Episode 592 Sam McDowell No way you got Sam McDowell on the pod.
• 1:17:16
  Dude. How is Sam McDowell?
• 1:17:18
  Let's see, let's do. How do you spell?
• 1:17:19
  That he's he's 83 years old. He's 83 years old.
• 1:17:24
  There it is. Samuel Edward Thomas 02 middle
• 1:17:27
  names. Oh Baseball Reference only has
• 1:17:29
  one middle name on there. Samuel Edward Well, this is
• 1:17:32
  Wikipedia. And the great thing about
• 1:17:34
  Wikipedia is it's. Probably the wrong McDowell.
• 1:17:37
  Hey, I mean he's a six time All Star and he won an ERA title.
• 1:17:42
  Bro, that was when that was when the Indians really had really
• 1:17:50
  had the the uniform. They had Shiwahu on the, on the
• 1:17:54
  PEC on the chest. But then they rocked the sea
• 1:17:57
  that is now the Cincinnati Red Sea.
• 1:18:00
  If you remember. They had a lot, they had a lot
• 1:18:03
  work in there. Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  Samuel Edward Thomas McDowell, 6 foot 5.
• 1:18:13
  Whoa, back then. His nickname was Sudden Sam.
• 1:18:17
  Sudden Sam? Interesting.
• 1:18:20
  His father, Thomas, was a heat inspector for US Steel.
• 1:18:24
  Sure was. McDowell had a total of nine no
• 1:18:26
  hitters in high school. In Pittsburgh, lefty.
• 1:18:33
  Had signing bonus offers from all 16 Major League teams.
• 1:18:38
  And debuted at 18 years old, by the way.
• 1:18:40
  That's crazy. Do you imagine back then they're
• 1:18:43
  like they're talking about going to 18 team league are?
• 1:18:47
  You freaking kidding me? They're bumping it up to 18.
• 1:18:54
  What are we doing? This isn't baseball anymore.
• 1:18:56
  Oh jump off this bridge as God is my witness.
• 1:19:01
  According to Baseball Reference this this information is surely
• 1:19:05
  not accurate. He made about $453,000.
• 1:19:09
  There's rumors just going. To say dollars $453 in his
• 1:19:15
  career. Oh boy, Sam, there's rumors that
• 1:19:18
  they're going to be expanding about 30 years out of Colorado.
• 1:19:24
  Those hippies. They even got roads out there
• 1:19:27
  yet. This is the 60s.
• 1:19:35
  Oh boy, the. 60s He didn't retire till 1970. 520 teams in
• 1:19:40
  my league, they're trying to play them a freaking playoff.
• 1:19:48
  We just play World Series games here.
• 1:19:51
  Freaking playoff. I got to go to bed.
• 1:19:55
  They're paying these guys $500 a year.
• 1:20:00
  To play a kids game I'm going to write my congressman all right
• 1:20:09
  and at some point at. Some point he had to talk about
• 1:20:12
  the his American League going to ADH and he's like, dude, I'm in
• 1:20:16
  158 out here, what do we need ADH for?
• 1:20:20
  Oh, that's true. Yeah, man, he was 2.
• 1:20:24
  Player home runs. What a life.
• 1:20:27
  Oh, to your quiet, to your point, Nate wrong Sam McDowell
• 1:20:30
  at the top of the entry on Wikipedia, it says for the
• 1:20:32
  soldier and judge see Samuel McDowell.
• 1:20:37
  So there's a there's a a famous soldier and judge.
• 1:20:41
  Oh, now the OK, this is interesting steel mill.
• 1:20:44
  Worker. No, his allegiance was to the 13
• 1:20:49
  colonies he was part of of the Virginia militia.
• 1:20:53
  He was born in 1735, participated in in the conflicts
• 1:20:59
  of the French and Indian War, Lord Dunmore's War, as well as
• 1:21:03
  the American Revolution. Let's go, baby.
• 1:21:05
  You know what? You love it.
• 1:21:10
  What a time. This is something I.
• 1:21:13
  Guarantee you you could have given our listeners 7 million
• 1:21:21
  guesses as to what we would. Have covered, never know.
• 1:21:24
  At the end of this episode, I guarantee you the militiamen
• 1:21:30
  known as Samuel McDowell was not going to be one of those.
• 1:21:34
  Guesses Your bingo card will never get finished in this
• 1:21:39
  episode. Sad day.
• 1:21:41
  Suckers. All right, that's that's all we
• 1:21:45
  got. JB, you got to sign off yet?
• 1:21:48
  Yeah, you said go baseball. Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Can we incorporate like some Mens or some Pittsburgh ease
• 1:21:53
  into this? Yeah, I'd appreciate that.
• 1:21:55
  I. Try not to go too heavy, you
• 1:21:57
  know what I mean? I.
• 1:21:57
  Lean into it. We welcome it here.
• 1:21:59
  We. We don't.
• 1:22:00
  We won't judge well, Nate, I've heard.
• 1:22:01
  You. I haven't heard you say it, I've
• 1:22:03
  just I've just read it in text. Oh, I yeah.
• 1:22:06
  You did. When we first got under, you
• 1:22:08
  were like, we're all in now. I heard it alive.
• 1:22:12
  Yen's is Yen's is in my, that's in my blood.
• 1:22:15
  That's my mom's side of the family.
• 1:22:17
  So it's it, doesn't it? It'd be weird to you.
• 1:22:19
  It doesn't register with me. Put it in a sentence.
• 1:22:24
  Use Yen's in a sentence, Josh. I I do all the.
• 1:22:28
  Time in your sign off right now. Oh, in my sign off?
• 1:22:31
  Yeah, make it. Well, it doesn't fit well.
• 1:22:32
  I've been saying go baseball, but but you just want me to do
• 1:22:36
  something else. Hey, it's smooth.
• 1:22:43
  So I start, I start the other, I start my other pod.
• 1:22:46
  We ate any. Oh, we did.
• 1:22:47
  That's what I'm saying. It just flows.
• 1:22:48
  That's what I'm saying. It doesn't register with me.
• 1:22:50
  It's like second nature. Too fast, man, Too fast.
• 1:22:54
  We start every every show on the other one with the big Yins
• 1:22:57
  guys. Yins guys, yeah.
• 1:23:01
  I don't think I like that that much.
• 1:23:02
  I. Love it.
• 1:23:05
  Yeah, you do. Yins guys, what do you yell it
• 1:23:09
  out? Yeah, Yes, guys.
• 1:23:13
  That's how you just say things, that's what.
• 1:23:15
  You you would know this if you watch Bridge to Bucktober.
• 1:23:17
  That's right, I'm. Sorry, man, that's on me.
• 1:23:20
  That's on me. Yeah, I catch clips.
• 1:23:23
  You do. All right, all right.
• 1:23:25
  So basically what Nate is saying.
• 1:23:27
  Yeah, we can come up with something else.
• 1:23:30
  Basically what Nate is saying is hiatus on, on Josh's sign off.
• 1:23:34
  So no pressure. You don't don't feel like you
• 1:23:36
  got to sign off. Nate is basically demanding that
• 1:23:39
  you change your sign off. OK.
• 1:23:43
  Yeah, let's just. I was fine with it.
• 1:23:46
  For the record, I would go. Baseball was a great.
• 1:23:49
  It was short, sweet, to the point.
• 1:23:52
  But Nate says no, so. It felt half assed to me but.
• 1:23:58
  We did put him on the spot to be fair.
• 1:24:02
  Well, Nate, I'll have you thinking too.
• 1:24:04
  I'll have you thinking too. Good deal, go go chasing curve
• 1:24:08
  balls. Go.
• 1:24:13
  Baseball, we're on hiatus. OK, I guess not.
• 1:24:16
  All right, we love you all. And as always, looking forward
• 1:24:17
  to talking more baseball with you guys soon.
• 1:24:19
  Until next time, stay filthy.