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3 Guys Before The Game - Kevin White Visits (Episode 464) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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Hey, Hey, the music's on and it means yes it is. It's
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time for another episode of Three Guys Before the Game. Thanks so very much
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for being with us. Our summer series continues. We flash back to one
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of the all time iconic names in Mountaineer football history. Special special place for
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this guy and our guest, Kevin White, the first Kevin White. Like
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if he were a Coca Cola product, he'd be Kevin White Classics Classic for
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sure, he'd be Kevin White Classic. He wouldn't be and look, one
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of the all time greats. That doesn't always rise to the top of the
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conversation because it was just one year, but still one of the one of
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the greats. I would say this, I understand what you're saying. Yeah,
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but if you really truly know, like if you know, then you
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just like say, well, I know that you do know. I think
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some people may not get that part of it. We'll get into that with
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I'm hitting some of that during the show, by the way, I'm reaching
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I've been hitting it off my desk a lot. Yeah, there was
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more there than he and He and Tyler consolidated Kennedy have eaten three quarters of
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it. Yeah, it was a lot there, all right, So let's
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jump in, by the way, real quick. That should be the name
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of the episode. You know how you said, if you know you know,
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you know how the kids abbreviate that now, I y k, y
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k, if you know, you know, I didn't know they did.
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Really, Yeah, that should be the name of the episode. Probably just
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go with Kevin White visits anyway, let's bring it, let's bring let's bring
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in Kevin White. See why you don't suggest things to him? Kirchable judge,
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top of the thank you so very much for being with us. Good
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morning, good morning. If I would have known you guys are going to
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be so kind, I would have had my wife and kids listen. No,
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wait, well they'll be able to watch. Iconic is not the word
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I associate with my time on WU, but I would yeah, I would
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say. Here's why. Here's why I say that, Kevin, because we
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recently had a form of mountaineer, a recent mountaineer but named Gary jennings On,
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who played wide receiver. He caught the touchdown pass if you remember Texas
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a few years ago, ran out of the back of the end zone.
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Then they went and did the whole thing one. So he is the story
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of perseverance because he just since he left, would not refuse not to be
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able to continue playing professionally. And I think it was twenty plus transactions that
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he's gone through and then played in the XFL that spring and now has just
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signed a contract with Caroline. So he's the story of perseverance. Your story
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of perseverance isn't that professional side of it, but your story of perseverances You
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waited one, two, three, four, and your fifth year you become
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the starter. And then in that one year you put together orchestrated one of
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the great seasons in mountaineer history in that you engineered the victories over Syracuse Boston
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College and pitt and BC. I said, Syracuse Boston College and Syracuse Boston
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College all in that same season. Penn State, Penn State, and that's
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the one. Yeah, that's oh yeah, oh yeah, Penn State.
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And so that's why I think you're iconic. Is that a fair state?
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Fair statement? Hopey? Yeah. And then winning the bowl game in dramatic
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fashion when TC was favored at it, at it and was for years.
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It was the last time West Virginia one won a bowl game. It was.
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But see White is he's a judge now, has been a judge for
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years in Phoenix, so he's used to everybody being mad at him. So
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when we say nice things to handle that fairer not Kevin. I mean,
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I mean he and he looks judicial. Don't you think he looks judicial?
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Yeah? He does. Yeah, it looks judicial. Good. Yeah,
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I like it. How so let's jump in here. So for those that
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don't know, you're in Arizona and that's where you came from, right you
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were, You were in Arizona as you came to WVU. Give us an
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update if you would, on how things are going. Right now, we
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called you judge. You are an acting judge as we speak. What's your
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world like right now? Well, you you hit me at a transformational time.
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I announced about ten days ago that I'm retiring for twenty one years on
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the bench effective June twenty eight. Wow. Breaking news, be leaving the
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bench after a nice round there and moving on to other things outstanding. Twenty
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one years on the bench. Wow, what are you gonna do? Well?
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I know you and the West Virginia folks can keep this a secret.
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I know nobody will say this and jinks me. But this is going to
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sound probably kind of odd to you. But I'm going to make a big
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transition here. I'm going to go into the education world, in the coaching
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world, and I have applied in two positions. One it is the head
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coach the first ever Costagram Union High School girls flag football team. How about
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that? There you go on Tuesday. My understanding is the superintendent of Schools
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will be recommending to the board that they accept his recommendation and hire me in
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that position. And then I have another position with the school where I am
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going to get to work with at risk kids trying to make sure that they
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don't fail out and they succeed. And that will fit nicely with my fairly
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sensive history dealing with juan delinquency and judal dependency matters as a judge. So
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I'm very excited about the trans Wow, that's that's some good stuff right there.
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Are you? Are you sixty sixty one right now? Con sixty sixty
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Yeah? Beat no, no, no, no, I hear you.
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Now, I'm in I'm in your world. I completely understand what you're saying.
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So listen. So as just in an honor of donnelon his first play
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call that he runs in the Flag football League, Yeah, it's gonna be
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a draw. I might have to give coaching the call. I'll tell you
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what that the uh, there was a lot of a lot of different calls.
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In that Blue Bonnet Bowl where no draws up in there. It might
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have been one. It might have been drawing. I think there was a
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fake punt, Yeah there was, Yeah, there was. There was a
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punt of wolf Lee. Yeah. We looked at a We looked at the
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box score on that and someone unconventional and you might remember this, Kevin one
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of the receivers I think through a touchdown pass if I'm not mistaken. Gary
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Mullen m Yeah, yeah, Blue Mullen, Yeah, Blue Mullen. So
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when you look back on that Kevin and nineteen eighty four now and that that
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fantastic season. So we're closing in on forty years, does that seem like
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forty years or does that seem more recent? Well, I watched the Highlight
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film almost every night, so you know both. It's kind of an odd
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paradox there. In some ways, it seems like it was so long ago.
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On the other hand, some of those memories are so vivid it seems
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like it was just the other day. It was really a storybook season,
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and good stories have downtime and positive times, and that season had both for
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me, and it was just an incredible life experience. In life experience,
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you know, Kevin, and we'll talk more about the season, but you
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had the winds against pit Penn State, Boston College and then lost to the
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Juggernauts, Rutgers and Temple. But we'll move on on that. But in
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that I wanted to defend that when I get my time, Okay, y,
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we'll do that. I don't know why you got to attack them,
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Hoppy, They got injured, they were all banged up, bang up.
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But going to that to the Blue Bunnable and I was there thirty one fourteen
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was the final and you all jumped out. I mean, you had a
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great plan. I want you to talk about the plan because you came out
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throwing. Yeah, Willie Druie a blue mull and I think Rich Hollands was
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on that team. I mean just you came out passing, throwing the ball.
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It was exciting. What was the planner? What did y'all see?
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You know, I kind of had a sense that there was a change in
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offensive philosophy going in, but I really didn't expect to be throwing that much.
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And everything clicked in that half was just Darniel perfect. And I'll always
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remember before the game, you know, you always hope to get in that
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zone they call it where you're just performing and not thinking. And I didn't
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feel it, and I was commenting, I think to te back, I'm
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not feeling that. I'm not feeling And then as we were in the coming
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out on the field, that button was pushed and things clicked and I said,
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I feel it. I feel it, and it's just that overwhelming comp
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comes and goes with that. And it was with me there, especially the
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first time Kenneth Davis play on that TCU team. Yes he did for because
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it's Kevin White and Kenneth Davis are the two most popular names out of that
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game, right, We said it all the time. And Kenneth Davis got
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taken out injured his leg, and I think you the way that West Virginia
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played that day, they probably still win that game, even though not having
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Kenneth Davis out there running the ball for TCU certainly certainly helped Kevin. That's
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as good of a stretch. Tony mentioned that earlier. The win the four
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game winning streak there at Pitt Syracuse OVERBC with Flutie then Penn State. That's
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as good a run as as any Mountaineer team has had, right say,
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for maybe the undefeated seasons. What do you remember about that particular stretch that
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had to be unusually fun for you? Right, you guys were really rolling
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at that time. You know, I said storybook and I really mean it.
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My parents had never been to a game at West Virginia University before.
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They've been to bowl games, but not to a game there. And before
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the Boston College game, they flew out with my aunt and uncle, my
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brother, and they got to see both the Boston College game in the Penn
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State. Wow. Fact, my mother ran down after the game somehow and
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was able to make contact with Joe to let him know that she was Kevin
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White's mom. That's probably the last thing you wanted to talk about. But
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in any event, it was just I mean, it had been great in
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any respect, but with your parents there, your brother there, your aunt,
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and it was unbelievable. You know, when you're a kid, you
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always a dream of having some event in your sports career that is just a
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pinnacle. And to tell you the truth, there was a lot of structing,
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not just in those first three years at West Virginia, but through all.
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I played on a very pal team and I had never really reached that
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pinnacle moment until that time, and boy, what was it a just unbelievable
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Yeah, and it's hard to equal it. Yeah, there's no question about
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that. You mentioned that team as a whole, So I'd love for you
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to take us into what your perception was of that team's chemistry, because to
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do what you guys did, you have to have this special togetherness in chemistry.
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What are your reflections about the non tangible togetherness of that team, You
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know, maybe it's telling that that was really the first team that was virtually
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all don Neelan recruited people. We had all together, very tight knit group.
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Seniors dominated playing on the team. The offensive line was solid, very
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very probably the best offensive you had during my time there, that's a safe
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thing to say. I was playing with the receiving cord that I played with
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as a friend, Willie Brewery, Wayne Brown, Gary Mullen. We came
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in together and we went yet with a big bang blue bott defense. As
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always, Don Neelyn teams with physical and toughest nail not not a team dominated
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by stars, you know, not not a whole lot of talent. Brian
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Joe's special test drafted in the first round, wrong Wifley, my Arizona comrade,
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was under underappreciated player. Obviously what he did in the NFL after leading
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westinue that he was a force on the field of a great leader. Yeah,
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no question about that. And when you think about the style of play
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that you use, in the style of play of that day, and you
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mentioned Ron, I mean, he was the focal point of a power running
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football team. He was a isolation, blow up the linebacker, full back
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to make the whole You don't. I mean, we're kind of sort of
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getting back to that a little bit nowadays since the spread. But that was
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that was old school hard football. No, it was three yards, don't
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turn the ball over, don't give up the big play. Special teams was
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critical don Neil and preach preach, preach that the punt is our most important
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play because of the field position battle, and in that style of football,
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is absolutely true, and in that formula worked very well, and I do
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see it starting to come back. It's kind of ironic. I started playing
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college football now and when I watched his team play, it looks like West
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Virginia nineteen eighty four, and they're doing very very well with that style.
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Against the Spring Yeah, we just aren't. The defenses aren't really ready to
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deal with that. You know, look at some of these other names on
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that defense, David Grant, Brad Hunt, Jeff Lucas, Derek Christian,
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Freddie Smalls, Matt Smith, West Turner, Scott Dixon, Dave Preston,
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Cams up Wide, Daniels, A lot of players bred, a lot of
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players on that team on that defense. No, No, it was a
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special group, very very special group, and they were the key probably to
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how succesful that season was. Quite frankly, I was a game manager quarterback.
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We played not to turn the ball over. We played position a field,
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position football and didn't make mistakes, and that's how we want. How
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did you? How did you end up at West Virginia? I know that
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recruiting connection to Arizona is not not very common. How did you end up
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here? You know, that's a great story too. As I alluded to
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earlier, I was not a high school star by any means, and my
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high school was bad, and there's just another way to describe it. But
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my high school coach was from Pennsylvania, John Kashner's his name. I owe
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things I've done in my life to him. He was from Pennsylvania coach there
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and he knew coach Kavich and several other coaches on the eastern side of the
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country. And on his Christmas break my senior year, with nobody really recruiting
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me, that guy went from school to school on his vacation, showing my
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film and telling his lies and exaggerations about my ninety three mile an hour fastball
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and things like that. And West Virginia was interested, but they had three
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quarterbacks ahead of me. I had an offer from Vinetova. They wanted me
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to be a wishbone quarterback, which probably explains why the program was dropped short
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thereafter Lehigh. Lehigh looked to be the school I was going to. I
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was had a visit scheduled, and then signing date came, and those three
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quarterbacks West Virginia had ahead of me all said no. And I got a
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late phone call saying, hey, we love you, now come on out.
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So I flew out totally unexpected and met coach Neeeling, got a scholarship
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offer, and Jack n it for the chance to play that schedule in that
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place. And those are amazing stories, and you think about it because it
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literally changed your life. Right, I mean, one phone call changes your
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entire direction of your life. Tony. I thought I was pulling off the
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greatest scam in the history of the world, because you're talking about a guy
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who couldn't break a thousand yards in the season in high school football. I
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mean, I knew I could throw. It had never produced into numbers or
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victories. And I showed up at West Virginia expecting to be totally outclassed and
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my high school coach to be called abroad, and long behold, I got
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there and I had a nails coach, Gary Trank, will you probably remember,
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sure, And he was an outstanding coach. He was brutal. It
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was not easy. But it took me about three or four weeks before it
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clicked. But when it clicked, it really clicked. And suddenly I went
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from the fumbling, bumbling freshman to a pretty a good freshman. And by
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the third game I was playing the film Yeah through through a touchdown the first
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game. Let's talk coach Neilan here for a second, because you mentioned that
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eighty fourth season. It's it's made up of guys that were entirely his recruiting
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class. So when we sit here today and we say to you, coach
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Neilan, what pops in your head? What memory? What do you walk
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away thinking about? Coach Neilan? You know he carries the label coach,
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but I've done as one of the great teachers in my life. I mean,
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I'm not talking just football on time in life and how to succeed and
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how to prepare and how to win, and how to boos too, and
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how to deal with adversity and keep coming back. I had never been around
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anybody like me, and he ran a very tight ship and it was very
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impressive to how we prepared in the off season, in the season and what
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a machine it was like. It just really transformed my view about what you
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have to do to be successful. Uh. You know, they taught incessantly
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football games than not aren't run by some big play. They're They're won by
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some little kind of things you do during the course of the game that makes
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a difference ultimately who wins or who loses. It's it's not just the big
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things, it's little things that matter. And that was stressed and pay forever
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and to what I do as a judge. It's instrumental in the work I
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do as the preparation that went in to preparing for a game, the mindset
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that that's been part of who I am my whole legal career as a judge,
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you know, and just watching the those coaches, the time they put
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in. I don't know that people really the amount of time coach has been
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there. They're in the office before six am, sometimes before five am,
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and they don't feel eleven o'clock or at midnight, right, And that that
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point wasn't lost on me either. And whatever you want to say about me
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as a judge, I feel pretty comfortable saying I was usually one of the
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first ones in in the morning and usually one of the last ones out at
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night. And I think whatever success I have had has been because of the
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lessons I earned about preparation and hard work and putting attend in. You.
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So, you got here and you started feeling comfortable, and you think,
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Okay, I belong here, and you know, I'm gonna play football here.
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And then a guy who's probably nobody's heard of, Jeff Hasta or came
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in transferred transferred in from Penn State, started two years ahead of you.
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How did you handle that? What did you think when Hassa came in and
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played for two years ahead of you. Well, I'll step back a little
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bit. So my recruiting trip there with coach Neeland, he was telling me
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about the quarterback situation, and of course Oliver luck was the quarterback, and
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he was he was going to be the starting quarterback, no doubt. And
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then coach Neelan said, you know, we're talking to this quarterback at Penn
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State who's talking about coming here. We think he's going to play linebacker.
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So I signed happily and would do it again if I had the choice.
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But it was funny. In the Arizona Republic, the article this isn't the
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Arizon, a newspaper in Phoenix was headline West Virginia Jeff Hostetler transfers to West
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Virginia and doubt. In the bottom paragraph they mentioned they also signed some little
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kid from Cassegrad. I had heard of Jeff. I'd actually watched him,
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watched his team play in the Fiesta Bowl the year before, so I knew
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he was formidable. And then I met the guy and I was like,
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oh my gosh, this is David and Goliath there. It's a Greek god.
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And I'm a little skinny, freckle faced kid, you know, Kevin.
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I think nowadays I wonder out loud, you know how this transfer portals
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working and the number of kids that are just constantly moving. If there were
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a transfer portal and you knew you didn't have to sit out a year,
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if you because you weren't, you had to wait your turn, do you
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think you would have portaled out or were you so content that you were here
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that you would have said I'm gonna wait. Yeah, I think it's within
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the real of possibility. I mean that temptation would have been there. That
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wasn't the case back then, and you know, you can't really go back
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in time and make a judgment. But I wanted to play like everybody else,
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and if there would have been opportunities where I thought I could go and
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play right off the bat, I certainly would have thought about it. But
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I wasn't complaining about the experience I had. I mean I came in with,
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you know, really no expectations about what West Virginia football is going to
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be like and was quickly made aware that it's a very very special thing.
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And that was a very very special season as well, that ended with a
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big bow win in the Peach Bowl over Florida, and so it would have
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been very, very difficult to leave such a great setting with that kind of
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successful program, with that kind of a schedule. I mean the schedule we
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played was amazing. Yeah, Pitin Day, etc. Boston College. Yeah,
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um, flashback memory here, knowing what you do now, who would
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have been the best judge on the team that was a coaching staff member?
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Do you think her lav would have been a good judge? Colab would be
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the bay It's a good that's a good question. Lavage would be the bailiff.
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I think yeah, I was gonna say that there may be some jobs
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for coach kur Lavitch in the court courthouse the bailiff or court security or something
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like that. I don't think judge that Judge Kerr Lavitch would have nearly as
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much patient to touch Whitehead with divorcing couple or complaining complaining defendants. Yeah,
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I can't even imagine that. Actually, yeah, probably probably a solid point.
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Yeah, probably a solid point. Coach Neila might have been a good
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would have done that, Probably would have been a pretty good judge. Do
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you think no? Now you say no, because I think you wouldn't say
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I know what the law says but to tell you what we're gonna do,
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you might you might have you might have a solid you might have a solid
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point there. Um. Kevin, you mentioned that your son uh plays college
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football or is playing college football. At this point, it's like he finished
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his freshman year. Okay, where's he playing. He's playing at Claremont McKenna
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in southern California. There, Okay, good. What's that like for you
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to see? Right? Then? Your son play collegiately. It I'm always
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the coach, always the player. So usually we end up having discussions afterwards
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about you know, who did this and why did you do that? And
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that kind of stuff. But obviously you live to some extent, for better
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or for worse, through your kids. And to be able to continue my
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football experience through his experience. And I have to add this because well this
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may not seem as significant to you as it does to me. This is
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a big deal in Kevin White's life. He went Kevin, My son,
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Kevin Jr. Went to my old high school. And as I said before,
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my old high school struggled when I was there, and in fact they
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struggled for fifty years, but miraculously his senior year they won the state championship
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in very dramatic fashion. Wow. And he was an integral part of that,
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and it was just you know, you talk about the experience at Boston
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College and Penn State. Obviously fantastic, but that's that's right out there.
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Oh that's awesome. Yeah, that's fantastic. Hey, you're you're getting ready
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to retire from the bench, so you're maybe you're more free to speak than
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you would be another time. But I have I did do some research.
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I know, I mean, all this election stuff that's happened in Arizona.
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I know you've handled some of those cases. I don't think you've had had
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Carry Lakes cases in particular, but they've been related cases. But just generally
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speaking, you don't have to speak to a specific case. What's it been
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like they're judicially with all the controversy over the last couple of years, and
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a lot of these things have ended up ended up in court there. You
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know, it's a challenge that there's a very very short timeframe for those cases
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to be heard and decided, so it's very intense. It happens very quickly,
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and obviously, depending on the nature of the case, tends to get
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quite a bit of publicity, so it's challenging. It's challenging. See's very
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careful. Joy. Hey, Kevin, you mentioned that one of the new
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pieces of the next chapter that you're going to go into is working with higher
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risk kids. Can you kind of a little bit elaborate on that passion?
28:37
Is that something that has bloomed within you because of everything that you've seen through
28:44
the years come in front of you, that you said, I've got to
28:45
do something more here. Absolutely, And you know, growing up in Castagrande,
28:52
which is still a pretty tough community, and I have lots of good
28:57
friends who made bad choices, some turn their lives around, some didn't.
29:06
And then as a coach there, I coached at Castagram High School for five
29:10
years, I experienced the same kind of thing. And then as a judge,
29:15
my favorite rotation you moved from assignment to assignment. My favorite rotation was
29:21
working with Jewal delinquency and Jewal dependency dependency would be foster kids and just to
29:27
hear their stories and to see their needs and to realize that they need advocates
29:34
out there in the community, in the schools to help them overcome some genuine
29:41
adversity that I never had to experience, and I think most people never had
29:45
to experience and how to get on the right path if they've gone in the
29:49
wrong direction. That that's right down my alley. I just have great passion
29:53
for it, and I think that this job, if I'm fortunate enough to
29:56
get it, will allow me to continue to do that, not from the
30:00
bench, but but behind the scenes, working with those kids, hopefully on
30:04
the front end, to keep them out of court, to get them into
30:08
their graduation gowns and graduating so they move on. Kevin. In West Virginia,
30:14
we have we have. The foster care system is really strained. A
30:18
lot of it is linked to obviously problems with the family, the opioid crisis,
30:22
Fenton, etc. Are you seeing the same kinds of things there you
30:26
talk about interest in foster care. Is the foster care system bulging there too,
30:32
Tony? This is an issue near and dear to my heart. It
30:36
is stretched just that there aren't enough resources to meet the needs and it is
30:42
so frustrating to see. By necessity, I would argue corners being cut.
30:52
In my view, based on my experience, I believe that everybody has an
31:00
interest in making sure that kids have a home where they can go and feel
31:07
safe and not be neglected or reviewsed, that they can be provided with services
31:14
that they need, that the family can be provided with services to try and
31:18
reunify a family when it's appropriate, that courts connect reasonably promptly to make sure
31:25
to transition to a different plan for permanency for kids when return to the family
31:30
is not going to be viable. It is throughout my career. I believe
31:37
it has been under funded, and I believe it's particularly acute now and the
31:45
follow up to perhaps covid as technicals they've even stretched into that. But our
31:52
foster care workers man that they're asked to do too much with too little,
31:57
and we just need to make it decision that our kids matter to us and
32:04
we need to step up to the plate for them and provide them with the
32:07
services that they need to be reasonably successful and to be safe and free from
32:13
neglect. Follow up to that, then, because you've seen so much of
32:16
it, there is no magic fix. How would you go about What do
32:20
you think the biggest thing that needs to be done to try to get a
32:22
handle on this would be how do you fix it? Oh my, it's
32:29
a big problem with many many angles to it. I think one of the
32:35
big deficiencies is just the available manpower and the foster care system Department of Child
32:45
Safety in Arizona that they need additional workers to be able to handle all of
32:53
the cases. And then we need to have more mental health treatment both for
33:01
miners and for the parents, and substance abuse treatment. It needs to be
33:07
viable and available, and it's just across the game. I think it's a
33:15
just across the board underfunded given the gravity of the issue. I just think
33:22
one of the measures of greatness of the country is how we take care of
33:28
our young, vulnerable kids, and I think we can do better. Yeah,
33:32
And that's the thing about the kids are victims as absolutely no fault of
33:37
their own. They just they're born into it and they've got no chance.
33:42
Oftentimes that's that's what hurts. And I would argue that those who you know
33:46
are concerned about fiscal issues. The way I see it, having worked all
33:53
sides here, from juvenile delinquency to dependency to criminal you can pay now or
33:59
you can pay later. Because if these kids don't get the supports and services
34:04
that they need and get on the right track and get the mental health treatment,
34:07
in the substance abuse treatment that they need. We're going to be dealing
34:12
with them in a very expensive criminal system and a very expensive welfare system.
34:16
So pay now, I pay later. I see, Hey, we did.
34:22
You did ask for equal equal time to answer to the losses to Virginia
34:28
and Rutgers and Temple, So we do want to give you that opportunity.
34:32
I just want to point out what we lost to Virginia was seven or eight
34:38
and three team. But that Temple team, I want you to know,
34:45
they had a guy that was runner up for Heisman Trophy, Paul Palmer,
34:47
running back. And then they's a coach by the name of Bruce Arians.
34:51
Yeah. So that was a little formidable, more formidable Temple team than maybe
34:57
something fair point. And as you know, Kevin, they missed the field
35:00
goal. We would have won the game, but someone jumped offside statue of
35:06
limitations. I'm not going to mention his name otherwise, and they get they
35:09
get a rekick. That's how they beat West Virginia, you know, Yeah,
35:14
Yeah, when I talk about the ups and downs of that season,
35:17
that was one of the real downs. Yeah, and you know that.
35:21
And I looked back at that and you talk about coach Neil and having to
35:23
deal with that. So you guys did sputter at the end. But in
35:28
that month and back in that day, it truly was a month that you
35:30
had to get ready, not like nowadays longer longer. Was it six weeks?
35:36
It was the final game in December thirty. Yeah, so six weeks.
35:38
So that's that's that's hard to do from a coaching staff, as you
35:44
well know, Kevin, back in the day when it was called the Facilities
35:46
building, you guys could be moping around there for six weeks after having those
35:51
huge wins. You guys can ah, you know we're done, and instead
35:54
you shot it the other way. That's to me a testament to a good
35:58
team, and TC was the fall in that game and a world coach team
36:04
to to manage those circumstances you're talking about. I think some teams struggle in
36:12
post season setting the bowl games because of that delay, and my thought has
36:19
always been that some staffs hadn't handled that better than others. I always thought
36:23
Coach Neil and staff did a great job managing us during that time. And
36:27
it is a difficult time. You're dealing with finals, you're dealing with holidays,
36:30
you're dealing with weather. No, yeah, there was. There was
36:35
certainly no indoor practice facility at that time to get ready for the bowl game.
36:38
Here you were outside. Hey, I just had another thought that kind
36:42
of circled through. And we'll let you go with this because you gotta go
36:45
do your real You gotta go do your real job pretty soon. Um,
36:49
how about this little and I don't know how you follow this at all,
36:51
or if not follow it, a little bit of a bubble of potential Pac
36:54
twelve movement. We're here and maybe Arizona. We're here in a little college
37:00
Colorado. I mean that you've got to look at that and go, Man,
37:02
that would be so so weird to see West Virginia like coming in here
37:07
at some point. You know, I heard about that in the thought that
37:15
I could go West Virginia conference game was good news to me, very very
37:21
good news to me. I'll believe it when I see it. I want.
37:24
I just don't see how the travel costs, particularly outside football, makes
37:29
sense. But all things are possible, and I'd welcome a very selfish reading.
37:36
Yeah, absolutely, all right, one more philosophy question before we let
37:37
you go with your flag football team. Are you going old school kneeling back
37:42
in your area, play some defense field position or late don kneeling with the
37:45
Mark Boulger teams where you air it out and throw it and try and put
37:49
points up. How will you coach your team philosophy? We want to know,
37:52
so I don't. You can't share this with any of my opponents.
37:59
Spoke like a coach already. You're gonna hear some more coaches. I'm here
38:05
too. Depends on the talent. If I got if I got a girl
38:09
who can stretch the field vertically, we're gonna throw them very It's just like
38:14
coach NEI. That's what Coach Neiland did his whole career. That's why it
38:16
was so great. If we can't stretch it vertically, we're gonna we're gonna
38:20
run some variation of the options. That's awesome, everybody. We're gonna line
38:25
up, line up that beautiful system the exactly. Yeah, well done.
38:29
Well listen, Kevin, We really truly do appreciate your time. It was.
38:32
It's a fun walk back in time. We wish you the very best
38:36
going forward in this new chapter and we uh we wish you the very best
38:40
and hopefully we'll run into each other in the not too distant future. Well,
38:45
thank you so much for remembering your old mountaineer out here in the desert.
38:49
It's much appreciated iconic mountaineer. Icon remember iconic. I won't yeh emphasize
38:54
that. I'm gonna tell my son I should let know. And last story,
39:00
I'll tell you he watched one of my games and it was not a
39:04
good one, and he gingerly pointed out, that wasn't that good. That's
39:10
not true, that's not true. Put in the put in the ball game
39:14
tape. Hey, dude, watched the Dane Blue Bonnet ball exactly. You
39:17
made plays. You made you made plays right, it's a it's the synchronicity
39:23
of eleven guys, and you were the orchestra leader. You made plays.
39:28
That's it. Or Sports Illustrated said after the Boston College game. He doesn't
39:31
do anything well, but when hey, that's what people remember. Take that.
39:37
That's all that matters. Thanks Kevin so much, Take care, Thanks
39:40
Kevin. By bye. There he is Kevin White. You know that's it
39:45
was fun. That was fun. And you know, I've been around so
39:46
long. I mean I remember him, I remember interviewing him. I was
39:50
at that game. And that was an interesting year, super interesting because you're
39:57
coming off to hostet or years right, and Kevin and had been around Brad
40:00
but hadn't started. And you start out and look at the schedule, I
40:04
think, Okay, they beat Ohio University, which is, by the way,
40:06
the way you should open. Yes, yes, Then they play Louisville
40:09
at home and they beat Louisville Laywood there, yeah, with thirty to six.
40:15
Then you gotta go, oh, you gotta go to Virginia Tech.
40:16
And how was that game? That's always tough, right, always tough.
40:21
You go to Virginia Tech, you win fourteen seven, Maryland always tough.
40:23
It was those good Maryland teams, and you'll lose at home twenty to seventeen.
40:30
So this stretch you talked about Tony Maryland at Pitt Syracuse, good Syracuse
40:35
teams, Boston College with Doug Flutie, Penn State, a good Virginia team
40:38
that is as tough as stretch, Brad as you will play it really is.
40:43
I mean, you could start that with Tech at Virginia Tech, Maryland,
40:45
Pitt Syracuse, BC, Penn State. No wonder there was a little
40:49
bit of a dip at would have been a flat spot. We would have
40:51
been saying flat spot. Its Virginia coming off that stretch. But Tony,
40:54
you made the great point during the interview to bounce back after three straight losses,
40:58
one the Rutgers, and yeah, that was a better Temple team than
41:00
what's probably in your mind when we say Temple. But to be able to
41:04
bounce back and get that good TCU team, that's an impressive job. And
41:07
how about I mean the Boston College win, and again this goes back years,
41:09
but the winner of Boston College one of the great wins of all time,
41:13
yea of all time, right at Michael Pushcar Stadium, beating Doug Fluty
41:15
twenty one twenty and top five BCT Yeah exactly. And then talking about flat
41:21
spot. But then you I mean Penn State and you beat Penn State was
41:23
almost an ever thought because BC was such a big game. And then you
41:28
beat Penn State for the first time in a hundred years. Yes, So
41:30
that you mentioned that Virginia Tech game that year fourteen seven, I remember that
41:34
game, so I remember the seed. That was my first season here was
41:37
that season, so to me they seemed to be more memorable. We'll beat
41:40
Tech at Tech fourteen seven half back option pass really John Gay or Rob Bennett
41:46
hoppy. I was sitting in the group. I was sitting in a talk
41:50
show producing area where automation is in the grip on this little teeny TV.
41:54
And like yesterday, I was sitting there and I watched John Gay went to
41:58
the right side through the ball to Rob Bennett. Jeez, that was a
42:00
halfback ops best beat Tech fourteen seven lined up and beat him. They'll gun
42:05
Slinger don gun slinger a little trick, little trickeration. But you know in
42:08
White because you know, after hostel in White, Brad like unlike some other
42:14
great court only one year, just one year, but had those iconic wins
42:17
and that Bowl win which stood as the last Bowl win for how long well
42:22
yeah, well until down in the Music City Bowl. Right, And because
42:25
of that drought, that Blue Bonnet Bowl gets talked about a while, right.
42:29
I mean, I've certainly wasn't here for that, but knew all about
42:31
that Blue Bonnet Bowl because of the discussion, because he went so long without
42:35
a Bowl win. It was Jim Whacker and TCU and they were gonna beat
42:37
West Virginia. West Virginia, Lay would laid Wood and you know who was
42:40
on that eighty four TCU team in addition to Kevin Davis Ken Keneth Davis,
42:45
John Denton, who's the color analyst for TCU. Really yeah, he was
42:49
the kicker. He was the kicker on that team, and we always talked
42:52
about that game. They came out in the year you got a question your
42:57
memory. Sometimes I think they came out very early, Like he hit Willie
43:00
Drury over the middle, and I think he's still running just like hit Dry
43:04
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John Spiker. We'll get into that, you know how we're gonna get into
46:01
that. We're gonna get in that with a little textual healing. Hit it,
46:23
Ready to go, Ready to do this thing? Hit it? Wayne
46:29
from Fredericksburg. The John Spiker episode one of the top five ever. I'm
46:35
not that got me thinking about the best player ever to play at Mountaineer Field.
46:42
Homer away best ever. Who do you each believe is the top player
46:46
to ever play at Mountaineer Field. Is it possible to compile an offensive and
46:52
defensive all time player team? It would blow you away if we did that,
46:57
because we could so many we've had summer sports line episodes where we've done
47:00
that and taken hundreds of tacks with people throwing me. You're like, oh,
47:04
yeah, that's a good that's impossible. But I mean, Flute's right
47:07
on there, Michael Irvin. Well that those Miami teams, Yeah, like
47:10
the Miami team James quarterbacks that have come through here, Boomer A Siasin Yeah,
47:21
right, yeah, I think that'd be an awesome that's a good idea.
47:25
We do it every summer. I mean we should. We should bring
47:28
that back. Well, maybe we could get our producer Tae Kwon Kennedy back
47:32
in there and maybe he can start to effort that. Well, he know
47:36
how to go back pre twenty ten, just start from that. What you're
47:43
saying, well, jumping Jack's jumping. Jack's here now too. Maybe he
47:46
could help him, I know, but Jack's even younger. Jack might go
47:50
from twenty eighteen on m Yeah, that's true. Is anybody here before.
47:54
Yeah, well that's why I feel bad when I talk about some of these
47:58
old games. But I mean that that blue Bonnet Bowl, this is age.
48:02
A blue Bonnet Bowl is is and the circumstances are clearer to me than
48:08
eighty percent of the games West Virginia played last year. Why is that?
48:12
That's a wonderful question. And you're not alone. Why is that age?
48:19
You know when you mentioned those defensive players to Kevin, Yeah, like every
48:22
single one of those personality type wise, do you remember We're dogs? Yeah?
48:31
That was that was like they were all just nasty dogs. Yeah,
48:37
And I think that's what we lack now. Like you say, like Whitey
48:43
Daniels, like, are you kid me? I mean he would put you
48:46
to sleep. All those guys would put you to sleep. And that's what
48:52
I think why we remember them because that was classic je. Well remember the
48:58
big I mean the big play in the BC game they got Fluty They got
49:01
Fluty was Matt Smith and Freddie both took turns of getting them late in the
49:07
second half. Afterward, Freddie Small has had a great quote speed four four
49:13
forty speed I got to Doug Footie said he gets my vote for the heisman,
49:17
no fense, Freddie don't have a vote, but we get it.
49:19
We go what you're saying, Well, that's I need to get off here
49:21
because now I'm down the rabbit hole of looking at old rosters. But Kevin
49:23
mentioned that Paul Palmer, I mean, that's a guy that probably doesn't come
49:27
up Originally he finished, what second heisman that, Yeah, he was a
49:30
play that's pretty good. That counts. Yeah, and Bruce arians as the
49:32
coach you'd have that would be fun to do. Yeah, that'd be a
49:37
good one. Text or Hey, three guys, I'd like to thank you
49:39
for your years of podcast service. You've always said that you'll never make it
49:45
to episode eight hundred. I'd say there's a good chance that you're right about
49:50
that, since you just offered beer to a minor on episode four sixty three.
49:53
What JJ Weatherhole doesn't turn twenty one until September the tenth hmm PSH.
50:01
With hoppies advanced age and inability to stay upright, it may be time to
50:06
move away from endorsing alcohol. With all due respect, there's a lot of
50:08
merchandise out there that no one is tapping into. How about a Hoppy's ass
50:13
over tea kettle t shirt love the show, Pete and Pennsborough efforting, thank
50:17
you, Pete effort efforting. I mean maybe not that particular shirt, but
50:22
he said there's a lot of merch out the word efforting. Oh, okay,
50:25
you want a motorized scooter. Might Silhouette might be one of them three
50:30
guys scooter at scooter I got has been a godsend in the workplace. So
50:37
you. I have been told people love it when you go through the halls
50:40
and ring your bell at him to get out of the way. I've heard
50:43
that's been very They like that. It doesn't get old. I'll say that.
50:50
Nobody's talking about that. It doesn't get all. It is a minute
50:52
you're saying it. I like you. Stop doing it. No, I
50:55
like it. Oh hell no, that's good. I like it when you
50:58
do it makes me short. I say good morning to people I got.
51:01
I got a commentary to write. Nick n get on my way. I
51:05
gotta get go around on two wheels. I like that bus driver coming back
51:12
from Charlotte that year. Oh we're close to two wheels, Texter. JJ
51:21
was unbelievably good for each new text. JJ was unbelievably good I'm not dialed
51:27
into baseball, so I can't, so I can't once can't once can't say
51:34
they're super interested. So I can't say we'll just mate. Well, we'll
51:37
make the text four years to kind of say what you wanted to say exactly.
51:40
So I can't say that I was super interested. But I could have
51:44
listened to him for another hour. What an outstanding kid. Yes he did
51:46
agree, Texter. I'm a long time Three Guys listener, truly enjoying the
51:51
summer series. Recently, several interesting items have come to light. Not surprisingly,
51:57
John Spiker remains one of the truly good people in our world. I
52:00
attended my first WV football and basketball games more than fifty years ago. I
52:05
thoroughly enjoyed you all bringing up so many pleasant memories. I wasn't an athlete
52:08
at WV, but I got to know Spike. He always had a kind
52:13
word way back then, and he still does today. If I'm fortunate enough
52:16
to run into him when I visit Morgantown next. We could all learn a
52:20
lesson about positivity, perseverance, and professionalism from Gary Jennings. Also, his
52:25
hard work and primarily beef diet, has landed him back in the NFL hopefully
52:30
for many seasons. I appreciated Tony starting a discussion with Gary on a topic
52:36
that he and I have had before, the virtues of Sue Vie cooking.
52:40
Yes, lastly, that was fun with Spike. You said it, you
52:45
said it appropriately at the start of that episode, just the single person that
52:52
has a link through all of those years of West Virginia football. And then
52:55
it goes beyond that because it was said every one of those practices to Yeah,
53:00
it's not like you just was on on stand every practice for all that
53:04
time. What do you see? Yeah, what's he heard things? You
53:10
know? The late the only one you could probably put him in line with
53:15
is the late Jim Galuski, who began shooting every single practice in every single
53:22
game from the Bowden era on. Wow, every single day. I in
53:29
the sky and Jim was unbelievable. And uh, those are the guys,
53:37
right that have this institutional knowledge. So like you come up and go like
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I think that kid's gonna be real good, they'll kind of look at you
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Albans. JJ Weatherhold, Texter says, is what is right the way?
54:24
Good week? In coming up for the punting? Oh yeah, you guys
54:28
going out? I mean I haven't checked weather, but just the times.
54:30
Is it in the lake's lake working on it? Yeah, effort already been
54:35
efforted. It's there, it's head everything. So is this a Saturday?
54:37
Sunday? Monday might be? Oh nice? Oh yeah, Memorial didn't take
54:42
the kids out? Let them jump around? Well done? Good Continue in
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the text, JJ Weatherhold, is what's right with college athletics entertaining extremely talented
54:52
young man? Quite simply, I'm glad he's a mountaineer and intends and he
54:54
intends to remain one and closing. It took four hundred and sixty three shows
55:00
to make a Charlie Weaver reference. Also, don't ever doubt that Tony had
55:05
what it took to take down that boar. We know now that he was
55:07
attacked. He has attacked an infirm senior citizen with his own scooter, and
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he previously brand branded a pre team with a closed steamer. Thanks for making
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my drives around our beautiful state even better, Jimmy Smallridge and Charleston. I
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own land along the barber in Preston County lines. Jeff wants Charlie Weaver on
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Hollywood Squoters just the best. Yeah. One of his famous ones was the
55:30
question was to Charlie Weaver, you've just planted strawberries. Are you going to
55:36
get any the first year? He said, no, I'm too busy growing
55:38
strawberries. How about the collection of people on the Hollywood Squares you had Charlie
55:50
Weaver right pull in was the classic. I mean he was in the middle
55:54
center, right center, he was in the center box. Just hilarious,
55:59
dudes. It was a ladies. It was a paul In famous paul In
56:01
joke. He said, uh, what stays pregnant longer your wife or your
56:06
elephant. And he said, who told you about my elephants? Okay,
56:14
I'm gonna do this is dangerous, I'm gonna do this. Why do I
56:17
think Paul Lynz got some association to West Virginia? Really they buried him in
56:24
Ohio, So now he was raised in California early life. I don't know,
56:30
I've never heard that. Probably not. I'm just maybe I just wanted
56:34
to include him though he was in Illinois. Yeah. Oh wait, h
56:39
I said something about the moth Man, but actually it was the moth Club
56:45
that he was No. Never mind, Well you went down a rabbit hole
56:47
there and it was nothing there that from the record, nothing there. Well,
56:51
well it said, it's said, wait a second, no, it
56:54
said it said that Lynne once flew. I brought up a couple things and
57:00
actually had something. It says lynn once flew from New York City to Los
57:05
Angeles and along the way flew over West Virginia. So I knew I was.
57:09
I knew I had something there. Nothing. I'm gonna miss this when
57:28
I got might keep it. You're not gonna miss it. When I get
57:30
my feet at you might get a boot today. Right, I'm going today,
57:37
you might get a boot. Might see how it goes. I hope
57:40
it's healing bot. Nothing but a boot. So if you were if you
57:52
were Canadian, when you went to the doctor today, you you'd say,
57:55
Hey, I'm here to talk to you about boot. Got a boot?
57:59
Fellows, Stephen eleanor John Spiker. Episode was great. Would have loved a
58:02
two parter like her laugh or maybe he couldn't be a third mic When Hoppy
58:07
is hiking the Appalachian trailer, bumbling, stumbling, fumbling around mana Sellow true
58:15
fell down, Texter, Vince and Vegas, I certainly hope you are still
58:20
efforting to get a gambling podcast going again. Some of us Degenerate's really miss
58:24
you. Sincerely, Vinnie, Vince in Vegas. Thank you, Vince working
58:29
efforting Texter, Hey, Brad. While we're on that, Brad Celtics were
58:37
recording. I don't know because by the time people get this maybe over listen
58:40
they showed some life. I'm glad for Joe Missoula's sake that they bounced back
58:45
and gave gave some great effort for him. In Game four, Gotta Win
58:47
extended the series that the home games have been a bad spot for them,
58:51
big favorites at home. You would think that's the ideal spot. It has
58:53
not been for the Celtics. So we laugh to see Miami dealing with some
58:57
injuries to their rotation. Guys got to get another one? Did I push
59:00
that thing to six? Would you? What's the line to you do?
59:02
And there are three dollars? There are a three dollar favorite, so it
59:06
was eight or nine as we went to record this. Okay, would you
59:08
take them tonight? Lay lay in that many with them? That would this
59:12
is one of those where that very well could win, and certainly hope it
59:15
does win, But that would be a hard one to justify, wouldn't it
59:17
when they're so bad in this spot. I'm rooting for him to win tonight
59:22
though, sure? Up on that side, I mean, I really,
59:25
I really want the Celtics and the Lakers, didn't you? Yeah? That
59:30
would have been fun. That would have been a great storyline. Joker's fun
59:34
to watch play though, jokers say he's really really do. I mean to
59:37
see a guy like that to do the things he does, It's awesome,
59:42
It's incredible, it's awesome. I mean to get like triple doubles, I
59:45
mean any nonchalant triple doubles like it's like doubles, isn't beautiful? How he
59:52
passes? That's I mean, he's just a wonderful passer um. As you
59:58
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each Are we done? Did we get the shot? I'm going in?
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Wow? Going trying to leave it. Tell me you gave me those pieces.
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And the hardest thing I do is after lunch every day is just put
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out a portion. You're a portion guy. You are hard. Let's brittle
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here, what is that little rec pieces? Reese's pieces, Brownie brittle.
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Oh, you're gonna kill the I mean, you know me, I usually
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go straight for the cups. Can't get it overfort all right, move on,
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last one, by the way, yeah, last one. Congratulations.
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By the way. See the new batch of Kurtchavel just canned saw that this
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week and is now out looking bright looking reddy. Can't get struggling there,
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skippy, I mean you need some help. What do you got? Can
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mom help that? Kurtchavel's out now right there taking it out, delivering today.
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Yeah, it's been the last couple of days, all right, So
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go ahead give us give us an instant, instant review on that. Pretty
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good? You ever had those before? That? First time you effort in
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those first time? Good me talk a little my mouthful, Hey hop,
1:01:51
stupid bell, stupid bell. He's gonna have trouble. Make him choke.
1:02:01
That's what I like. Once he gets going, I just like to make
1:02:04
him completely just go down. And choke. My greatest joy in life will
1:02:07
be having spit something out. That would be my greatest thing ever ever.
1:02:13
Sweat. Those are good? So how about this deal? Speaking of your
1:02:19
beans and pretzels over here too. Next episode we'll talk the details on this.
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But um, down in Greenboro County, there's these folks called Mountain Table
1:02:30
coffee brewers. At least me. Two sample bags arrived yesterday, Nadine there
1:02:37
and they took beans and soaked them and kirchievel for twenty four hours really,
1:02:45
and then roasted them after soaking them in the kerchievel. Interesting, So on
1:02:50
our next episode, the next one brings them in. Yeah, I make
1:02:55
the coffee and we'll bring it in and we'll sample it. Does those thing
1:03:00
mix smelt great? Yeah? So when I went there, I went to
1:03:02
Mountain Table. I went to Mountain Table, and I've tasted ones that were
1:03:06
done in Bourbon. They sunk him in bourbon, and it does get it
1:03:09
gives it a unique different flavor. Okay, I think it's a difference of
1:03:13
taste profile. So you'll brew those at home and bring it in m some
1:03:15
for all of us. Will you drink it? Yeah, I'll bring Yeah,
1:03:19
I'll drink it. Okay, cool, I mean you'll drink coffee coffee,
1:03:22
I'll drink it straight. Yeah, okay, yeah, just sample,
1:03:23
just get a taste. They were They were interesting tasting, interesting tasting all
1:03:29
right. By the way, I know you don't listen to the sports line,
1:03:35
but we had a fun conversation last night with John Beeline. Oh he's
1:03:39
uh, what's he up to Detroit? He heads up Detroit Pistons player development.
1:03:45
So he's got four he said, four dudes. Right, he's got
1:03:47
four guys that he oversees. That dude, player development for the Pistons organization.
1:03:52
They need some player development. Yeah, they need some help. They
1:03:57
do. And he's here coming in this weekend to work a clinic with former
1:04:02
out near JD. Collins. Really, so it's kind of a pro combine
1:04:08
for a young guy, Well, guys that are draft eligible, pro eligible,
1:04:12
guys that are like overseas type guys, maybe some G League type guys,
1:04:15
not necessarily NBA types. There's a whole world of professionals. They're going
1:04:19
to run a combine here scouting session. I had a thought center this morning.
1:04:25
One popped in my head. He said something last night that stands out
1:04:30
that probably needs to be brought up again. And what he said was,
1:04:34
now you got to remember he was here. So he was. He was
1:04:38
at a bunch of stops. Lemoyne, no Erie County Community College, um
1:04:45
Nazareth Lemoyne, Genasius, Richmond, West Virginia, Michigan, two final fours,
1:04:51
seeing a ton of players. Right. Yes, now he's in the
1:04:55
NBA. Coached in the NBA. Now he's in the NBA. Said Kevin,
1:05:00
it's noggle listen, best big shooter ever. Excuse me, he's said
1:05:08
ever, best big shooter he and he's not a guy that just makes grandiose
1:05:13
statement. Really, yes, he did, so, I've never seen a
1:05:15
better big shooter than him. Six ten and above was the qualification. Six
1:05:21
ten and above best shooting big man. He scene. Ever, then you
1:05:26
should have made it in the show. Right. The show was not ready,
1:05:30
not ready for him, and that's part of how he was too early.
1:05:32
Yes, exactly right. We got into that conversation. I talked to
1:05:36
John about that because his offense was kind of what you're seeing now. But
1:05:41
back then, the five out everybody can shoot, there's motion, right,
1:05:44
get bigs that are shooting, and he said they were just in a development
1:05:47
session with the Pistons coaching staff and a set came up with with the five
1:05:51
out and somebody said to him, well, you've been running that for twenty
1:05:56
years. He said, yeah, so yeah, Kevin came along a little
1:05:59
bit. It was a little bit early. Yeah, a little bit early
1:06:00
there about that. It is kind of amazing when you think about it.
1:06:04
So we talked with Kevin White earlier and he said, yeah, the game's
1:06:08
going back to what it was. Right. We went spread and now people
1:06:11
are tightening up and tight ends are coming back into games, and fullbacks are
1:06:13
coming into games. Right. So, John when he was at Lemoine you
1:06:17
may have heard this story, didn't have a point guard. He's younger back
1:06:24
then. His uncle was the a d at Lemoine. Okay, and he
1:06:29
goes to his uncle and goes like, I got no shot. He says,
1:06:32
I got no shot here. We don't have a point guard. We
1:06:36
don't have a point guard. There's we got no opportunity whatsoever to win.
1:06:42
As uncle said, okay, so what do you think you just we're not
1:06:45
gonna play this season, You're gonna quit. What do you want you?
1:06:47
Which way you want to do this? And he said if you don't have
1:06:49
one point guard, he said, play two guards out front at the same
1:06:56
time, the two guard front. So he goes to guard front, which
1:07:01
began his whole deal to guard front, runs this offensive sets. He borrowed
1:07:10
European concepts long before they came over here. That's why what West Virginia was
1:07:15
doing in the early two thousands was all of that that you're now seen.
1:07:23
Do you imagine how much aggravation he caused opposing coaches Jove crazy that offense than
1:07:29
the one three one? Yeah, yeah, you remember. I mean he
1:07:33
to show you that he was ahea of his time. Right, So LSU
1:07:36
at LSU more talent. LSU had talent, They had Glenn Baby Davis.
1:07:41
He goes on and play in the NBA, right, And an Oklahoma team
1:07:44
that we absolutely dissected in Oklahoma City when Calvin Sampson was a coach, didn't
1:07:49
know whether wind their watch or comb their hair and just cut them up because
1:07:54
they were doing things that nowadays people would be more ready to adjust to,
1:07:57
but couldn't understand what was going on there and everything outside. That's the NBA
1:08:00
Celtics. They live behind that three point it's either a dunk or a three
1:08:04
point shot, which is which is basketball? Now, that's what they shoot.
1:08:09
How many three they shot forty nineteen the other night, don't asking game
1:08:14
four? Yeah, they made nineteen of them, which I said on on
1:08:17
Sports Light. You know Joe's catching all this heat. I said, he
1:08:19
did. That's a wonderful coaching job. He just said to him, go
1:08:21
out and make nineteen threes and we're good. Yeah, oh good, So
1:08:26
he just does that. Tonight they win again, you know, they win
1:08:28
again, So they're home tonight. Then that's puts the pressure on. They
1:08:33
gotta be feeling a little tight. Then today today, go get go,
1:08:38
get go, get this game, and then Miami is gonna be a little
1:08:41
bit tight, and then you come back to Boston. But as you said,
1:08:42
Brad, they haven't been great at home not so keep it going.
1:08:45
I hope it's a conversation that we can have. Music's on. Got a
1:08:50
chance at a guest coming up in our next episode that we haven't heard from
1:08:58
in like forever, but I think that you'll want to hear from him.
1:09:02
Wow, that's a tease there, and uh, hopefully Hoppy gets a boot
1:09:09
so we don't have to listen to his bail. I don't know. I
1:09:13
kind of like the bell. How about that. A listener sent that to
1:09:15
him. Remember he last time he came in, he had a lows bag
1:09:17
on his foot. You know, you guys get I mean send food and
1:09:20
candy and stuff like that. And on talk line, you know, I
1:09:24
get like rocks and fee sas and it's tough sent to me, but but
1:09:28
some A listener sent me this from Huntington. They have a business Darko Darko
1:09:34
Drco. It's this boot. If you got an injured foot and they are
1:09:38
in Huntington and they distribute around the world, that's a same thing. Hey,
1:09:42
that's a same that's the saying that Tom Dempsey used to wear. That
1:09:45
same thing. There's a sixty three yard field goal attempt for Tom Dempsey.
1:09:50
It's been a nice it's been it's helped. Sure. We hope we hope
1:09:55
you get a boot. I hope so too. I kind of hate to
1:09:57
give this up, though, I bet you don't keep the bell three guys
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