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Katie Zacharia Ousted, Lena Dunham's Rape Hoax, Why 'Train Hoe'  Is Really 'George Foid' · The Alex Marlow Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, it's an Emma Jo show. We all love
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  Speaker 1: the Emma Jo shows. I love the Emma Jo shows.
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  Speaker 1: We all love the Emma Jo shows. Run of show today,
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  Speaker 1: we got Lena Dunham, who is someone who accused a
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  Speaker 1: Republican of rape falsely, which is not good.
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  Speaker 2: It's frowned upon.
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  Speaker 1: Is getting revived by HBO to recreate the show Girls
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  Speaker 1: that no one watched the first time around. Maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was good, but no one watched it. And she's now
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  Speaker 1: 3,000 pounds. We'll talk about her.
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  Speaker 2: She's got a lot of New York stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Mom Donnie wing. And everyone's a racist other than him
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  Speaker 1: in the state of New York. We'll talk about that
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  Speaker 1: as well. And we will talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: someone who is now getting known as George Floyd, which
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  Speaker 1: is also known as Train Ho. So the Cornell rape
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  Speaker 1: saga continues, and there were all sorts of absurd things
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  Speaker 1: that were said, uttered this week, Emma. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that you were chomping at the bit to get some
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  Speaker 1: stuff off your chest. So let's start there. What struck
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  Speaker 1: you this week on this saga, and where should we begin? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll be honest. I'll be honest about my lack
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  Speaker 1: of preparation for last show.
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  Speaker 3: I was in St.
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  Speaker 4: Louis for most of the week last week, and then
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  Speaker 4: I came into the show not having done the proper
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  Speaker 4: amount of brain rotting that I typically do to prepare.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. That was a real show. I
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  Speaker 2: listened to it. I savored it. I thought it was great.
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  Speaker 2: So never apologize. So you got to understand, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to teach you a little thing about talk radio here, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Always declarative. It doesn't matter if you've no idea what
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about. That doesn't matter. What matters is you
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  Speaker 1: come in and you let it rip every time as
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  Speaker 1: you've been thinking about this your whole life and someone
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  Speaker 1: would have to pry the microphone away from your mouth
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  Speaker 1: before you say it.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I did.
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  Speaker 4: I came in going crazy on Jane Howell, although I
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  Speaker 4: guess I suppose that wasn't the worst she's seen. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I had a chance to actually read the claim that
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  Speaker 4: she had made, which was fascinating. And I guess, let
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  Speaker 4: me say, everything that I've learned as I've gotten deeper
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  Speaker 4: into this has been totally aligned with what I said
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  Speaker 4: last show. I just think that there is so much
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  Speaker 4: more to say and more precisely to say and more
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  Speaker 4: to bring in on this conversation, which is worthwhile because
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  Speaker 4: although this is maybe fading away as, you know, Democrats
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  Speaker 4: realize that I think it was less compelling than they
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  Speaker 4: maybe originally hoped, these things just keep happening.
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  Speaker 3: It's like great. It's the Democrat greatest hits.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, I think that part of the reason
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  Speaker 4: why maybe this blew up in a way that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we could have predictably achieved imagined would fizzle out but
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  Speaker 4: but people went for it and people went all in
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  Speaker 4: is because you know they weren't around like gen z
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  Speaker 4: wasn't around for like duke lacrosse gen z wasn't around
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  Speaker 4: for a lot of the hoaxes like even kavanaugh um
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  Speaker 4: that we've seen so many times it makes us like
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  Speaker 4: automatically skeptical of this stuff um And, and so this
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  Speaker 4: conversation is like perennial and relevant all the time. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's like, I was listening, I was also
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  Speaker 4: listening to a future Moldovan citizen. I brought him up
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  Speaker 4: a few times on this show on Twitter. He's, he's
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  Speaker 4: a good, a good anon. And he was talking about how,
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  Speaker 4: like this exactly, like he was talking about how believe
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  Speaker 4: all women and like the hysteria that was kind of
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  Speaker 4: ginned up originally, like during the Obama admin thing.
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  Speaker 3: With all this stuff was was the worst thing like first.
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  Speaker 4: Of all this is his quote not mine but he's
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  Speaker 4: like when you hear the phrase like have you met
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  Speaker 4: women like have you like if you not to say
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  Speaker 4: that all women are liars obviously but like if you
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  Speaker 4: could think of like 10 women you know like could
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  Speaker 4: you imagine like one of them being insane or like
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  Speaker 4: three of them being insane because certainly I can Um,
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  Speaker 4: that's the first point, you know, it's like, and it's
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  Speaker 4: sad because there was a day when, like, somebody would say, like,
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  Speaker 4: I was raped. And, like, the reaction was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my God, like, you were, like, raped. Like, like, we
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  Speaker 4: have to go, like, kill some guy. Um, and now
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  Speaker 4: the reaction is like, well... were you raped or like,
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  Speaker 4: were you raped? And, and it's just like a really
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  Speaker 4: sad thing, but it's the reason why we have to
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  Speaker 4: have these conversations and actually take the time to flesh
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  Speaker 4: out these claims that just don't like, don't add up
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  Speaker 4: and simultaneously don't go away.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you, you guys, you guys, you guys, might recall,
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  Speaker 1: and those of you who listen to the live show,
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  Speaker 1: I did bring this up on the live show, but.
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  Speaker 5: The, it is, this is, I said on, I think
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  Speaker 5: it was a radio show, I think it was a
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  Speaker 5: series XM show, that rape has been redefined to sex
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  Speaker 5: that a woman regrets.
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  Speaker 2: And I said this in 2017. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: This made international news. International news.
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  Speaker 2: I'm serious.
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  Speaker 1: It is the, yes, this was in, it was in
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  Speaker 1: the Israeli press, in the UK press.
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  Speaker 2: It was all over the place. Like what a disgrace.
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  Speaker 1: I was called a disgrace because I said this thing
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  Speaker 1: that was obviously true.
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  Speaker 2: It was clearly what was happening.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually said it as someone who does have
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  Speaker 1: a long track record of respecting women. married my high
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  Speaker 1: school sweetheart, have a record of promoting women and minorities,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, according to the New York Times at
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  Speaker 1: Breitbart News. And yet still, I was getting canceled overnight
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  Speaker 1: because I had said that actually this cheapens what rape
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  Speaker 1: is all about. And by the way, this is a
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  Speaker 1: talking point that was a riff off of Dennis Prager,
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  Speaker 1: who is a there's no more respectable human being on
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  Speaker 1: planet Earth, which is the origin of the of the
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  Speaker 1: talking point anyway.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, I got completely roasted for this.
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  Speaker 1: And I haven't gotten any apologies nine years later when
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  Speaker 1: the entire world now agrees with me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, as a woman that you've promoted myself, I
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  Speaker 4: can agree with you. And, you know, I was reading
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  Speaker 4: this Heather McDonald piece that was recirculating from the Manhattan Institute.
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  Speaker 4: It was in like City Journal or whatever, which is their,
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  Speaker 4: like the Manhattan Institute's like magazine.
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  Speaker 3: And she wrote this, I think in like 2008.
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  Speaker 4: And this is a point that she was making too,
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  Speaker 4: and that is so obvious, which is, What they're defining
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  Speaker 4: as rape, which is why this is called a hoax.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, where those like insane statistics come from,
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  Speaker 4: like the one in four women on campus is raped.
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  Speaker 4: Like that Heather brings up that that statistic dwarfs like
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  Speaker 4: the murder, rape and all violent crime statistics in Detroit,
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  Speaker 4: which is. you know, which was at the time, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it anymore is, but at the time, Detroit
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  Speaker 4: was the most dangerous city in America. And the college, like,
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  Speaker 4: campus violence statistics, according to this study that was literally
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  Speaker 4: put together by activists, radical feminists and psychopaths, was, like,
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  Speaker 4: hundreds of percent higher, obviously, than any violent interaction, the
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  Speaker 4: percentage of any violent interaction in Detroit. And, um, Naturally,
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  Speaker 4: you know, she said, like, if that statistic was true, like,
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't there be extraordinary lengths that the schools would be
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  Speaker 4: taking to address this? Like, I mean, could you even
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  Speaker 4: admit men to university if those statistics were right?
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  Speaker 3: One in four.
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  Speaker 4: Has a rape, which is like, I mean, that's probably
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  Speaker 4: the most violent crime after murder, right? Like, if we're
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  Speaker 4: talking about literal rape. But, you know, that statistic was,
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  Speaker 4: this is a good statistic. like this is one of
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  Speaker 4: the best points that I read on this that is
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  Speaker 4: so important. And it's like, you know, over 10 years old,
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  Speaker 4: almost 15 years old. And, but it's, it's, that study
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  Speaker 4: was compiled by an activist who at first asked women
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  Speaker 4: about the rate of rape on their campus and was
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  Speaker 4: dissatisfied with the answer that she got. And so they
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  Speaker 4: basically asked women a series of, of, questions about behaviors
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  Speaker 4: that they've experienced. And then she, after the fact, categorized
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  Speaker 4: those behaviors as amounting to rape.
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  Speaker 3: And that's where you got that figure.
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  Speaker 4: But the questions could be anything from, again, did you
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  Speaker 4: ever wake up the next day and feel uncomfortable about
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  Speaker 4: what happened the night prior? So the statistic is a hoax.
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  Speaker 4: And all of this is a hoax. And to your
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  Speaker 4: point about about just sex that you regret. Heather McDonald
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  Speaker 4: also made this point where it's like these women go into,
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  Speaker 4: and we made this point on the podcast as well,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, last week, women go into these parties,
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  Speaker 4: literally like mainlining.
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  Speaker 3: Vodka or loco or whatever they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: And, They're coming in absolutely plastered because those are the
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  Speaker 4: only circumstances, by the way, that, as I stated last podcast,
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  Speaker 4: a woman can engage in casual sex.
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  Speaker 3: And in this instant even is obviously true because if.
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  Speaker 4: You read her story, they come in, they get absolutely hammered.
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  Speaker 4: Then they wake up the next morning and look next
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  Speaker 4: to them and they're horrified by what they're seeing and
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  Speaker 4: what has happened. and they feel shame around the experience
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  Speaker 4: and therefore turn around and say, well, I wasn't responsible
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  Speaker 4: for that. I didn't have any agency in that experience,
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  Speaker 4: which obviously isn't true. And even if you wanted to
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  Speaker 4: say that they were too plastered to be in their
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  Speaker 4: right mind, which I guess is the point, they decided
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  Speaker 4: to do that. And the reason is because they're trying
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  Speaker 4: to fit in in the world the feminists have created
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  Speaker 4: where women have casual sex. But on the George Floyd...
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  Speaker 4: case that we're currently discussing, I just want to make
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  Speaker 4: this point that, you know, we it is so clear
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  Speaker 4: what happened is exactly what you said.
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  Speaker 3: So in her.
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  Speaker 4: Testimony, and according to the text messages that came after,
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  Speaker 4: she was totally down.
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  Speaker 3: She's hanging out with these guys.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, God knows how she feels about herself or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: but As far as she's concerned, even the next morning
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  Speaker 4: and in the weeks following, she's still fine with them.
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  Speaker 4: And it's at the point where she wants to get
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  Speaker 4: invited to another party.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was a Halloween party that the frat
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  Speaker 3: was throwing.
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  Speaker 4: She is told basically by the leader of the frat
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  Speaker 4: that she can't come because there's too much drama around
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  Speaker 4: her and like, you know, whatever. They're not happy with
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  Speaker 4: the rumors around the frat because of her event. And
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  Speaker 4: and it's at that point when in a classic as
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  Speaker 4: as we've been saying, and as I said last last podcast,
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  Speaker 4: which is, you know, around this, this is the central point.
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  Speaker 3: Women can have casual sex.
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  Speaker 4: So once she realizes that she's not even friends with
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  Speaker 4: these guys, you know, at least she was walking out
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  Speaker 4: of this encounter thinking they were still friends.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what the text messages portray.
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  Speaker 4: Once she realizes that they're like not really letting her
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  Speaker 4: hang anymore and she's no longer friends with them, she
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  Speaker 4: does the most violent thing that a woman can do,
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  Speaker 4: which is essentially kill this guy, kill his reputation or
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  Speaker 4: their reputations through emotional exploitation and words by accusing them
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  Speaker 4: of raping her. She is the violent person in this scenario.
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  Speaker 4: Just female violence, as we've said on this podcast a
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  Speaker 4: thousand times, looks different.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So here's my question, Emma. Is it funny yet? Because
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  Speaker 1: I was watching reality TV with Mrs.
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  Speaker 4: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Marlowe yesterday, and someone was dressed for a Halloween party,
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  Speaker 1: and they were dressed as young women are known to
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  Speaker 1: dress for Halloween parties. And I just said, it happened
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  Speaker 1: to be a ginger-headed person. And I don't know that's
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  Speaker 1: the identity of George Floyd. I don't know if she
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  Speaker 1: is a ginger-headed person.
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  Speaker 2: I know that's the rumor. We have not confirmed. We
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  Speaker 2: have not confirmed.
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  Speaker 1: And so I did say to her, she's dressed for
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  Speaker 1: a Cornell frat party. And I just said that. And
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  Speaker 1: I have no, I don't care. And I'm repeating to
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  Speaker 1: the audience. And then you could say that I'm a
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  Speaker 1: bad guy for saying that. But it just, it does
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  Speaker 1: feel like, is it funny yet? Or is it too soon?
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  Speaker 1: Do we have to wait like 18 years, like with AIDS?
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  Speaker 4: That was a very deep South Park reference.
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  Speaker 2: Very deep.
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  Speaker 3: That's only for the seasoned among us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there'll be one person in the audience that'll
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  Speaker 1: be their favorite moment of the show.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's like AIDS now because they've just
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  Speaker 4: basically canceled Greek life, at least at Cornell, and this
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  Speaker 4: is going to be something that catches on, which the
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  Speaker 4: biggest L is going to be taken by, aside from
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  Speaker 4: the kids who no longer get to have fun, but
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  Speaker 4: the biggest L is going to be taken by the
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  Speaker 4: massive consulting industry and rape industry. These universities literally have
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  Speaker 4: things called rape consultants who come in and obviously exacerbate, perpetuate,
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  Speaker 4: over-inflate this problem in order to justify their existence as
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  Speaker 4: With most hoaxes, there is usually some sort of consultant
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  Speaker 4: incentive around it. And so that's the reason why it
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  Speaker 4: was going on. But yeah, like now Greek life is
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  Speaker 4: basically dead. To say nothing of relations between men and women,
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  Speaker 4: especially like adolescent and early 20s men and women. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how that I mean, we talked about
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  Speaker 4: that last show. Like, I don't know how that goes forward.
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  Speaker 4: And we've come full circle to the exact circumstance that
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  Speaker 4: you had in the 60s and 70s on college campuses,
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  Speaker 4: which was basically women not allowed out, chaperoning all interactions
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  Speaker 4: between men and women, not allowing them to exercise their
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  Speaker 4: decision-making on what they want to do with themselves because
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  Speaker 4: it's all just too dangerous, and it leads us full
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  Speaker 4: circle to the Camille Paglia essay, the right to be raped,
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  Speaker 4: which is, this was the whole premise of it is
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  Speaker 4: chaperoning women. We have enough agency and wherewithal to make
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  Speaker 4: decisions on our own. Well, apparently not. So we're going
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  Speaker 4: to go back to square one and we can congratulate
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  Speaker 4: and thank the feminists for that. I mean, I would
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  Speaker 4: have been very upset about that.
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  Speaker 3: When I was their age.
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  Speaker 1: What I think about, what I think about is, will
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  Speaker 1: we take this moment and make it intelligent? And that's
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  Speaker 1: always my fear is that we do seem to miss
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of opportunities to Like, for example, with the coronavirus,
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  Speaker 1: it was a big chance to have a reset on China.
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  Speaker 1: They created a virus from a lab. It killed millions
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  Speaker 1: of people and destroyed our economy. And that was, for
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  Speaker 1: some reason, not even remotely close to the main takeaway.
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  Speaker 1: And to the point where I gave up moments into
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  Speaker 1: the thing. Like, oh, well, that's not what people are
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  Speaker 1: going to get out of this. It's what they should
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  Speaker 1: get out of it, but they're not going to get
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  Speaker 1: out of it. And so I see stuff like maybe
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  Speaker 1: the Cornell rape hoax saved me a million dollars because
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  Speaker 1: maybe for my four children– all of whom will be
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  Speaker 1: intelligent enough to go to college, maybe they'll apply for
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: the Peter Thiel grant or whatever, they actually get paid
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  Speaker 1: to not go. I'm not saying literally that grant, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it'll be a ton of them by the
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  Speaker 1: time they get to college age.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a big thing for society. And if you
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  Speaker 2: think about.
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  Speaker 1: How, you know, Nvidia and Apple, these companies are already
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  Speaker 1: worth $ 4 trillion.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Harvard endowment.
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 2: A hundred billion. Like it's a, it's a, is it,
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  Speaker 2: is it even, how much is Harvard's endowment?
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  Speaker 1: It's a, you could set up your own university at
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  Speaker 1: the shops at the, and they could basically have their
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  Speaker 1: own farm system and, kind of like how 17-year-olds get
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  Speaker 1: drafted in the major leagues. They get drafted, they get
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  Speaker 1: $ 2 million signing bonus, and then they make $ 800 a
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  Speaker 1: month while they're going through the process, but they get
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  Speaker 1: a bonus, and it gives them a chance to see
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  Speaker 1: if they can prove their mettle. But they basically get
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  Speaker 1: squatted on for, we'll give you a couple million bucks,
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  Speaker 1: and so you got to go through our system for three,
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  Speaker 1: four years, and if it works out the way we
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  Speaker 1: all think, you'll be in the major leagues soon.
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  Speaker 2: And why aren't these big companies doing that? And I
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  Speaker 2: think they will.
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  Speaker 1: And I think when they see stuff like this, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of parents of smart kids are going to say,
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  Speaker 1: Why spend a million dollars to send my kids to
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  Speaker 1: Cornell so that they can get involved with gangbangs with
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  Speaker 1: George Floyd? I don't think I'm going to send them
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  Speaker 1: to do that, regardless of what side of the gangbang
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  Speaker 1: they're on.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a positive. But do you feel like there's anything?
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  Speaker 2: Are we going to have that conversation? And here's another one.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry to rant, but I have to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We're, male-female relationships are, I know there's not your specific
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  Speaker 1: area of expertise, Emma, but.
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  Speaker 3: We're trending in the wrong- I have no idea what
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: We're trending in the wrong direction here.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of data points, some of which
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  Speaker 1: get some attention, like there's too much porn, too much
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  Speaker 1: online stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Some of which also get.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit of attention, maybe not enough, all the
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  Speaker 1: body positivity stuff was very toxic. But there's other things that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I saw a clip of Olivia Wilde, the
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: actor director saying how, you know, spouses and men in
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: committed relationships think they're entitled to sex and they're not.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And it's like, she's kind of right, but it's also
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: kind of super discouraging for men to get into relationships,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: particularly if they're the breadwinner.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: And we're like, whoa, wait a minute, you're going to
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: withhold the sex eventually for me.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And it's like, we can't have an intelligent, we can't
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: have intelligent conversation about that at this moment.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: But could he perhaps move.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: In a direction where we could talk about how things
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: are going with men and women, which is in the
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: wrong direction? Could we maybe start having that discussion based
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: off of things like this? Because clearly this is not
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the direction we wanted to go in where the woman
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: just invites a bunch of guys at the same time.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: And some of them might be rapists. Others might not
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: be rapists and which is insane. So will we be
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: able to say, okay, we've gone too far in a
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: few things. Can we go back and try to put
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the genie back in the bottle to some degree?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that the hopeful thing that's coming
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: out of this is kind of what I just said,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: and the result may be what you're talking about, because
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: the most insidious and unproductive people in this conversation, obviously,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: are the people who make money off of exploiting it
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: and exacerbating the problem. And I think the hysteria has
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: now tipped into forcing some sort of concrete action to
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: eliminate these events from happening, which is, and prevent these
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: events from happening, which is canceling parties. Obviously all this
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: stuff goes down when people are drinking. So, you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: if we get to a point where we have starved
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: the consultants and the like hordes of attorneys that are
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: making money off of this stuff and all that's left
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: are the people who maybe misguided, but at least aren't
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: incentivized to perpetuate the problem. Maybe we're left with people
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: who actually want to address it in good faith.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: And that may be including like, you know.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: These activists, feminists or whatever, but at least it excludes
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: the big rape. which I hate to use that word,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: but I mean, these people literally call themselves rape consultants.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, it's a movement. It really is. It's an
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: industry now.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: It's an industrial complex.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: We got to revive Andrew Breitbart, bring him back from
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the dead, talk about big rape, which is important because
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that's a good segue to something I was really dying
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: to bring up with you. which is that one of
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the original people in the big rape movement is Lena Dunham,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: who has been anointed the voice of my generation, even
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: though no one actually consumes her content. It's very obscure
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: relative to mainstream people who are now, she's 40 or
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: approaching 40, so it's not like she's a young person.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: She's not captivated nearly the audience of a lot of
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: people her generation, and yet still gets commands all sorts
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of different respect from the smart set class of media.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And they're reviving the show girls, which is I people
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: say it's a good show. Maybe I would like it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Some people even say it's right-coded, especially through the 2025,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: 2026 lens.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: So maybe it is. Maybe I'd like it if I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: saw it. But no one watched it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: It got just a few hundred thousand viewers on a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: mega platform when it came out. And she put out
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a memoir 10 years ago where she falsely accused a
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Republican of rape. She said she got raped by a Republican.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And we investigated Breitbart News. John Nolte went to Oberlin College,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: where she was, and confirmed for a fact she was
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: not raped by this person to the point where the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: publishing giant Random House, who put out her book, had
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to actually retract the claim. And they expressed regret over
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: printing it to begin with, and then they had to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: change it in subsequent printings. because she falsely accused a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Republican of rape. And she's been completely forgiven for this
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: by society that you smeared a guy. It was fairly
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: easy to figure out who the person was she was accusing,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't true. And we're like, yeah, let's just
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: put her back on HBOs. Keep giving her book deals.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: At the moment, we're, again, we have to look at
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: this at a macro level. At a micro level, I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: really don't care about this person anymore. She's clearly depressed.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: She's morbidly obese. She's very disgusting. It's the, and she's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: already super wealthy. So I was going to take that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: from her. It's the, the point is, is she falsely
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: accused a young man of rape and we are cool
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: What is going on?
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, this is something where the right is
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: going to have to, I don't know, like this is
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: like a long-term cultural play for the right, which is to,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: to giga cancel women who do this, because it needs
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: to be reframed as female violence, because it is. You know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: you don't get to become incensed that you became a
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: notch on someone's bedpost and then go and destroy them.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: And by the way, I'm not being hyperbolic when I
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: use that language. The Bible uses that language. The Bible
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: equates humiliating somebody with harming them and with murder in
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: some cases because words cannot be taken back. And that's
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: the thing about this stuff is you can sue and
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: there have been settlements for some of these rape hoaxers
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: for their accused. But ultimately, this is a long-term cultural play.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: You know, I think that it's probably productive to have
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: people like Lena Dunham fail publicly again, because every time
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: the left does something that proves how uncool they are
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: and how little cultural traction and real resonance they have,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I think the right can get momentum from that. But
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: at the same time, I mean, this is to be,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and that's why I think it's worthwhile to, like, keep
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: hammering this, even though we technically covered it and, like,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: It's not as hot as it was last week. No, like, no, actually,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: this is a hill worth dying on. Like, George Floyd
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: can't exist.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It is a hill worth dying on.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, is that when is, do we
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: feel like we've taken a sufficient stand when... We know
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that we are now elevating people who are rape hoaxers
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to the highest echelons of society, and we keep reviving them.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And that really is the signal that's being sent. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I just find that it just creates this sort of divide,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I think, that is just– it's not a healthy way
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to go through society, especially when America– we've got this long–
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: we kind of don't like each other. And this is
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a old Pat Buchanan point that he would make that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: we tend to not like each other for some reason.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And it's a very odd thing for such a thriving
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: society that we just really are just have this thing
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: where you just walk around just like bummed out with
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: one another.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And then I see this stuff and this.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Is just really just a, we've got the, the same
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: exact moment we're going through a huge rape hoax. Let's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: see what we can, we can do to reignite the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: career of rape hoax or Lena Dunham.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Well, like, I mean, bright side, the clear pill is, uh,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: it obviously won't do well. I mean, it'll do well
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: with the same cohort of like millennial women that it
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: was cool with when it was out. Um, and that
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: cohort is going to shrink too, because that was a
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: show that people related to when they were like single
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: and like messy, which is basically the whole premise of
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: the show. Um, presumably a lot of those people have
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: gotten married and cleaned their, their acts up. And so
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know how many people relate to Lena Dunham
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: as a character, which the show is pretty much based
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: on her.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many people still relate to her
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: as a character.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, not very many people did when more people
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: would have been in that life circumstance then, let alone now. So,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, let's see. Like, it's one thing to have
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: a deal. Like, ask Meghan Markle. You know, you can
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: have a deal with a big streamer. That doesn't mean
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: that the product is going to be successful if everybody
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: finds you a loathsome retard.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just to recap, for any of you who were
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: unaware of the story of John Nolte's epic reporting on
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: this from a decade ago, but literally HBO's biggest star
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: falsely accused the resident campus conservative of raping her at
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Oberlin College, put it in a memoir, and Random House
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: had to apologize, pay the legal fees of the guy
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: she accused, and reprint the memoir and update online editions
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to note this stuff that was in it. And so
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: all of that happened And we keep trying to reheat
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: this gigantic pile of garbage. And I just feel like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it is... Look, this is why Substack exists. Let her
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: go Substack.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Like, that's it. We keep putting major corporations. Stop it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Try someone else out. She's not that important.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Next up, Emma, let's stick in New York. She is
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a quintessential New York figure. I'm checking out the New York...
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Is this thing real? Is there a possibility that we
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: actually see a tight governor's race? Kathy Hochul is... really
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a not bright person. And she was getting completely worked
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: in the governor's race. And now we're seeing polls in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: single digits. It's the, I got a couple of claps,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: but before we do, what do we know about Bruce Blakeman?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And do you feel like this is something that's just
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a ex Twitter phenomenon or is, could it potentially be real?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: No, I think it could potentially be real. The last
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: governor's race was like, she got like the skin of
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: her teeth. She got the seat. Like it's, And that
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: was against Lee Zeldin, if anybody doesn't remember. So, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: she's not a popular person in New York. I think
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Zoran Mamdani is a problem for that race because, you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: given that he is so radical and freaks people out,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: I think they're starting to see the governor's office as
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: a way to rein in his worst impulses. The governor
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: really does control the budget. So it's like you can't
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: really become a communist if somebody is saying no.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: To your spending.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: So I think that's probably what's juicing this race up
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: and making it scarier for her.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Than it could be.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: And, like, also, the Jewish, there's a lot of Jews
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: and a lot of moderate Democrats and a lot of, like,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: normal people and independents who, whereas in days past, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Kathy Hochul kind of talked presents herself as a moderate.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Whereas in days past, they would have maybe gone for
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: that moderate Democrat. Now, they're just really turned off by
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: the Democratic Party. I think that the DSA stuff works
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: in Manhattan. But when you're talking about a statewide race,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: you have to consider, you have to consider upstate. You
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: have to consider the Catskills. You have to consider the Adirondacks.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Like those people aren't from Manhattan and they're very different.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: They can, again, can be pretty split. They're not necessarily
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: like hardcore right wing. But, they've definitely, I think, heard
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the message from what's going on downstate, and I think
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: they don't believe that Kathy Hochul can necessarily moderate. Every
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: time she gives Mamdani a win, that sends a signal
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: upstate as well. So she's in a very difficult position. Now,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Bruce Blakeman, I don't really know him much. Look, that
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: was supposed to be, I mean, whatever.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: Whatever.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I think that that was supposed to be Elise Stefanik's ticket.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And she kind of, this was, I don't know if
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: this was like high-key or low-key, but news or a story,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: but it was definitely something that took the interest of
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: New Yorkers and conservative New Yorkers, which was she was
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: vying for that seat or that nomination. And she kind
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: of lost the Trump endorsement and like something happened that
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: screwed it up. And I heard that there was trepidation
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: around her because she is pro-life. So despite all of
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: her accomplishments, and she was one of the most accomplished
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Congress people. I mean, she was a huge fan favorite
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: at Breitbart. You know, we always worked with her. Her
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: staff was great. She was strong. She was, like, speaking
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: of universities, I mean, she was going after the universities
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: and gutting them, arguably responsible for Claudine Gay retiring from Harvard.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: or not retiring, now she's back, but, you know, let's
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: say being put away at Harvard for a long time.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Getting benched.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: You know, she was so strong, and she just kind of,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: at the last minute, fumbled that somehow, and... So we
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: got this guy, Bruce Blakeman, who I guess is like
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: a respectable moderate Republican who likes abortions.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: But people smarter than me think that he's a better
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: play for New York. And apparently, like, that's sort of
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: maybe going to be true. He doesn't have the name
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: ID that I think could have made this scarier for
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Kathy Hochul.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: But let's see, because I.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Think the Zoran vibe has a lot of people who
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: also vote in this state concerned.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And so one thing that's interesting about Mamdani is that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: he came out and called Blakeman a racist, even though
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: he admitted he never saw the debate.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I got a cut of this.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: So I think, you know, it is hard for anyone
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: to keep up with all of the bigotry and racism.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: that Bruce Blakeman exhibits on a regular basis. So I
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: think that the governor did a good job and I'll
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: never fault someone for not being able to catch all
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: of it because that is a fool's errand when it
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: comes to Bruce Blakeman.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And so, well, what's interesting here is he also admitted
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he did not watch the debate. So he said that
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Blakeman's a racist and Hochul did a great job. And
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I just find that to be, are we there yet?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, are we still there? Are we still there?
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: You know, he has some, some, he has most, most
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: of the time he's like really good and really clever. And,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: you know, like I can sometimes like simp for Mom
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Donnie on this podcast, but this is not.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: One of his better moments. He was clearly just trying to.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Say something because he obviously didn't watch the thing that
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: they were asking him about. So it's like, Uh, like,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: like when you like spin a wheel and you just
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: get like, it's like the Democrat wheel. Yes.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so right. You spun their land and are racist.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Call them racist.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: It was like racist, rapist, uh, Nazi.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: And there was like any number of those words that
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: you can just like spew out at any time when
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: you spin the wheel.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And that's, I think what we're getting from mom Donnie.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: So what do you feel like the vibe is like
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: in New York? Because from afar, I feel like Mamdani
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: still is such a power player, kingmaker on the Democrat side,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the most popular Democrat maybe at the moment. But I
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: feel like, is that a lot of people in Seattle
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and in Portland who feel that way, or is it
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of New Yorkers?
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: How are New Yorkers feeling about him?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: So actually Mondani has pretty good numbers among New Yorkers,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: like among his constituents. I think that he, for the
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: most part, hasn't done anything that he's promised. So he's
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: getting like decent reception because he just does like cute stuff,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: like making cute videos, like about the one that we
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: discussed on the show with the Lincoln Center, getting people
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: tickets to the Lincoln Center, getting.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: People tickets to the World Cup.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: You know, those are his W's that he actually is
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: able to deliver. And as for the socialism that hasn't
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: really panned out, thank God, because that would crater his economy.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: So he's been doing okay.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: In terms of his numbers.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: However, this is, and this is always the problem for
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: the governor of New York is they always have to
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: do this really weird balancing act between downstate and upstate.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: As I explained just a few minutes ago, people upstate
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: are not really progressive. I mean, obviously you have some and,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: There's towns that I can think of like Hudson comes
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: to mind where you probably have more progressives because those
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: are all people who left New York City. But aside
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: from like some of those like scattered towns, you don't
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: have that mentality.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a very rural state outside of the city. So, yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: That said, it's.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Like she's doing the normal exercise that she has to
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: do every election where she kind of really pretends to
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: be sort of almost right wing without saying that. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: that's the cycle every time. It's going to be a
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: question about whether people actually believe the like hokey like
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: folksy kind of stuff that she does.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So right on okay Emma Jo we have breaking news
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: as we're taping today and it involves your boy Sean
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Hannity your homeboy putting the knife in Katie Zachariah basically Basically,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: your surrogate father. He put the knife in Katie Zachariah,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: who lasted less than half of a Scaramucci.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: But with Scaramucci press secretary, he was communications director.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Communications director. Are we putting this woman on the Scaramucci
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: scale if it's not?
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: We are.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I like to talk about Scaramucci because I was kind.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Of the one who's probably amongst the most responsible for,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you know, putting immense pressure from the president's base that
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: he should not be with the president any longer. I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: just remember that I just put up a million blaring
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: headlines when he was coming after Steve. The second he did,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: when he got into his job as communications director, was
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: start going after Steve Bannon, the guy who arguably was
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the most vital to getting Trump elected.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: That's a mistake.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: No, thank you.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I deployed the full power and resources at
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Breitbart News. to make sure that the president knew that
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: we were very dissatisfied with the mooch.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: And lo and behold, he was gone. But this is unbelievable.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Sean Hannity comes in from the top rope with the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: people's elbow and conducts an interview with Katie Zachariah last
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: night as we're recording, so Thursday night, where she's to
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: explain her, I think, overselling her resume, which is typical,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and gives her a shot to at least make fun
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: of herself for the not-so-good press briefing on Tuesday morning.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And she kind of just goes through and gives reasonable
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: explanations for these things, but that really wasn't the right move.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Worst mistake.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: You've got to know that you were a retard on
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: multiple occasions, so the only move in that circumstance, if
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: you're going to try to recoup from that, is to
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: mock yourself.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: You had to come in and say it wasn't great.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: But you know what? I just got here.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I was literally the pumpkin patch of my kids when
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I got the call. And it's the this is the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: job of a lifetime. I'm obviously trying to hit the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: ground running. I did not get off to a great start.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: But you know what? I know this agenda.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I know this president and I'm going to be a
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: really capable defender of him. and let's talk about how
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: prescription drug prices are down, the border crossings are down,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: we have the strongest jobs market of the century. Let's
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: talk about some of that, Sean. And he'd be smiling
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: along with her at that point.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: At least, at least.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I would have been like, I was trying to emulate
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: the vaunted Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Perfect, perfect.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: I was told by the media is the paragon of
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: press secretaries.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could say, I guess I regressed to the mean,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: set by Karine Jean-Pierre and Jen Buzacki.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: No, it's great. I was thriving. So this is the
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: whole thing.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And for future, anyone who does an interview in this setting,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and this is for anyone who... any sort of power
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: whatsoever in a corporate job or a political job, you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: don't have to accept the premise, even if you think
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it's a friendly. You can pivot some of my favorite
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: podcast segments, or when someone who I'm with, who I
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: have a rapport with, like a you or a Laura
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Trump or someone, will throw out something, and I'll just
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: take it in directions that's totally absurd.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And these are some of the most fun things.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: You don't have to just go, so, but you said
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you were a lawyer, but you also said you were
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: an attorney, but you were a lawyer and you're not
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: an attorney. Don't answer that literally. Just say that I
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: went to law school. I never intended on practicing. Let's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: start talking about the agenda. That's what I'm here to do.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: It's the, why do you have to accept the premise?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And she was doing that. And that was really bad.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: It was really bad.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: And that's also like basic media training. Like, uh, again,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: like free, uh, Free consulting from Beck and Stone. You
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: don't have to answer the question or even accept the
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: premise of the question being posed to you.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: You can just say something else and change the subject. Like,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: there's not a gun to your head.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: No, no, exactly. And that was where, that was why
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I had to watch it.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: But here's one thing where I'm genuinely curious about this, Emma,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and I know you know Hannity decently, though I get
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the impression not in like on a day-to-day communication level
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: with him, but it was either the call came from
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the White House, give her some tough ones and let's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: see how she does, or Hannity had to have reached
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: out and said, hey, I'm going to, she's going to
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: have to work through some of this stuff in real
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: time or else she can't hack it. So I'm going
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to be vetting her for you now. Which direction do
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you think it came from?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was probably something like the latter.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: If I know Sean, it was probably like, I'm going
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: to have this woman on my show, but I can't
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: be taken seriously if I pretend that the last three
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: days hasn't happened. And so this is the way that
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of thinking about approaching it. It's probably more
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: like if there was such a conversation, something like that.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: It's like, you know, because Hannity is a professional in
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: his own right. And it's like, there's You know, you
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: could be a conservative commentator. You know, it's like you
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: can be a conservative commentator and be rooting for the administration.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: But you also do have a role as a media
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: personality to like your job to some extent.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: No.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: And this is a thing that is for me, it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: interesting to manage it because. I am rooting for the administration,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: but I also have to call balls and strikes. And
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that for some people, you have to pay close attention
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to be able to know when I'm putting on the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: media hat goes on. And then the I want the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: America First agenda to succeed hat goes on.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they're on at the same time and it looks
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: real stupid. But it's just how it goes.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And it was interesting because if you play it, you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: could see that he was unhappy about how it was going.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was happy. happy for her. And
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: it was an interesting thing because he was the executioner
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: in this regard, but I felt like there were places
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: where she could have given better answers.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And it's a six minute thing. You guys have probably
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: watched it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: If you're watching this podcast, if you've not, I do
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: recommend it because it was really a bad example of.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: How not to do media.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And this is an interesting point because, uh, this job
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: press secretary is not an easy job.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Caroline Leavitt made it look very easy. Um, it is
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: not very easy.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Um, And it is most people traditionally have not been
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: this effective as she was. She was very, very good,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: very good at it as other standards, hard things to do.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: But it is noteworthy.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: They just tried to pick someone purely based off of
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: loyalty without the necessary media chops. And I'm not saying
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Katie's bad at media and couldn't go on to be
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: a successful commentator somewhere else.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she could.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: But the issue in this particular environment is you have
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to super grandmaster chess player level of media acumen and
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: being as loyal to the president next time around if
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you pick someone. I do hope that he gets someone
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: who is better with media and not necessarily we're looking
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: at someone who was always just perfectly MAGA for 10
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: years straight.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah well exactly that's exactly right and I think the
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: frustration that Sean was probably feeling is the same feeling
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: that we were all having watching this this NGMI disaster,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: which was like, you want the administration to do well.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: You're rooting for the administration as conservative.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I love- Not going to make it. NGMI,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: not going to make it for those in the audience.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I'm putting my boomer hat on for that. So just thinking,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to walk.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: You through the joke.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: You're the interpreter on the side of the podium that
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: like speaks in sign language.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: For the people who can't hear this frequency.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Beautiful.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: So, you know, that's what we love about working at
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Breitbart and being in conservative media is that we don't
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: have to have this like false guise of objectivity. It's like, yes,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: we are rooting for this administration. We are rooting for
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Trump to do well. We want Republicans to win elections.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, it's frustrating to watch people be incompetent. And,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: you know, this role, this administration in particular, but this
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: role in general, it's like You know, if you're working
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: at the White House, you're top 1% of the industry
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: in whatever role you're in. Yes. Whether, you know, in
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: this case, it's press secretary. So you better be verbal skills,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: 99th percentile. You better be really up on the facts.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I don't care if it's your first day or your
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: 100th day or whatever. If you're starting work, you better
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: be on that level. And I think that it was
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: shameful that she even, like, look, let's say she was
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: at the pumpkin patch in L.A. or, like, whatever her, like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: excuse was for not knowing anything.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Say, like, I'm not ready to start yet, so you're
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: going to have to put out whatever cabinet secretary you've
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: been using for the press briefings or have none until, like,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm, you know, in shape here because
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I can't humiliate you.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what a professional does.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have liked to have seen, yeah, another
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: thing which was really bad media training is that she
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: had to give more content right away. And it couldn't
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: have been just the Jack Poso show. And I like
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Jack Poso and I didn't think her content was bad
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: on that show. But she needed to do another briefing
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and she needed to say, can you get me JD?
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Can you get me Marco? Can you get me the pros?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Can someone come down with me and let's break some news?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Let's do something different. Let's have a new reintroduction. You
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: need to do that within 24 hours. You need to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: give people other stuff to talk about.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: That was not a move that was made.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Some of these things, you can't have on-the-job training at
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: this level. You do to some degree because it's such
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: a unique role and you hold it for a brief
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: amount of time. But I was kind of surprised no
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: one got to her and convinced her to do that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: So there must have just been internally, there must have
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: been people who wanted her to fail. And you could
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: also see that with some people in the media where
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I was kind of like people like Katie Pavlich from
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: News Nation was out there.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: And just like really taking the wood to her like
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And I was going, I was kind of agreeing with
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff Katie was saying, but I was like,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it that there's someone who's loosely under
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the Trump tent and just like bashing her over the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: head over and over like already she's just got here
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh she's curb stomping her please and it
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: just i can't believe that was sort of the reaction
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: of some people within the first few days but it
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: really was yeah.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Well look i mean uh you brought up steve bannon
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: one of the best steve bannon texts i ever received
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: was uh you have front row tickets to the best
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: show on earth but there's a price of admission yeah somebody.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Gotta tell the press secretary.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did really, really something.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: The other thing here that I thought was important, other
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: than the failing to reset narrative, accepting all of Handy's premises,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: not doing any better on Fox & Friends this morning,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the day we're recording, by the way, just it was
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: an equally not good interview. But my point that I
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: want to make about loyalty, which I'm a big pro-loyalty guy,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: particularly for lifetime appointment type roles like Supreme Court roles,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But who do.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: You think, Emma, is the best spokesman for Trump's values?
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: It's got to be someone who's over a 10% national
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: name ID, like where 10% of people on Earth know
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: who this people is, 10% of people in the country.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Which individual would you nominate as your number one?
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Maria Bartiromo or Scott Jennings.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: They're up there. I was thinking J.D.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: J.D.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: 's my number one. Oh, you don't mean for this role.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: You just mean in general. Yeah, in general.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And he was not always a Trump loyalist is my point.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad you brought up Jennings because Jennings is
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: a guy who would do great in this job and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: then also is not– hasn't always been 100 percent pro-Trump.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: But you got to get over it if you want
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: a guy with that level of media skill in there.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: So he's– Trump's.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Been around the block too long where every single person
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: who I think is qualified– is either going to be
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: imperfect in terms of their presentation or imperfect in terms
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of their record.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: That's just part of it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: And if they've got the- Whatever, I mean, they just
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: hired this girl who, like, you know, and look, I
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: don't care.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think you need a law degree to be
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: press secretary.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Like, I know I was listening to your show yesterday
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: and you were talking about this and I definitely agree. Like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: I don't get, the only reason why the law degree
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: thing is worth bringing up Yeah. You have to clarify
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: if there's some sort of inconsistency that's going to come up.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's basic respect and, like, just, you know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: to prepare the people around you for your background and
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: what may be vulnerable about you.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: So, you know, my issue with her is the dishonesty.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: And it's like, you could be loyal all you want,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: but I like to think that there is somebody out
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: there who... is both loyal and not lying about their background.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Like, look, J.D.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Is a great example where it's like, yeah, no, he
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: wasn't 100% Trump from the beginning. His book tour about
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: hillbilly elegy was arguably just like sort of like this
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: this MAGA skepticism exercise. But look, like, he's open about that.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: He's addressed that on interviews. He's at least confident enough
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: to talk about it without, like, collapsing like this woman
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: and owns it and moves on. And that's fine. Like,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: I think that they can get somebody. I just named
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: two names that I think would be good candidates.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And I had heard a rumor that Bartiromo got offered
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the job immediately. So I don't, I heard from credible people.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: But that's long gone now. I mean, that information is
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: worthless at this point. But that was the information I
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: had when she had gotten fired.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: And She's an interesting.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Type because it's obviously a tough job. And so then
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the question is, what type of person would want to
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: deal with all this? And it's someone who already has
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of recognition and has a lot of money,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like Bartiromo, who I don't think his children has been
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: wildly successful in their own right and is merely a
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: successful person. So I don't think she needs a stepping stone.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: It would be purely out of service.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a service-slash-hobby.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, service slash hobby. And then the question is, do
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you want that at this point in your life? And
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: then I think for some people, they crave that sort
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of thing. And some people, they don't. But it's very
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: hard to figure out who's going to come in next.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Because if you think about You would feel like they
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: would have got Jennings last time if he was interested.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Bartiromo, same deal.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Alina Haba just married a 29-year-old billionaire, so I'm guessing
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: she's not focused on this sort of thing.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: So who's it going to be? I don't know.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Hey, look, I hear Kimberly Guilfoyle is looking for a job.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: That's tough. That's tough. She was always good to us
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: at Breitbart. She was always good to us. She was
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: good to me, too.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: She was the first famous person to come up to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: me and say she liked my stuff.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: So, like, in person.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, she's really cool. I remember her
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: from Fox, too. Yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: She was awesome on The Five.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: When she was on The Five, she was awesome on
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: that show. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: She was exceptionally talented in media and super smart. And
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: she was, like, I mean, whatever. Look, I know that
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: there were issues at Fox, but as far as my
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: experience with her, which there were a bunch, she was
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: really cool.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Any other thoughts on the Katie Zachariah debacle before we...
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: put this story to bed for probably the rest of
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: our lives.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's probably going to be the last
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: time her name is uttered ever again. But no, I mean, look,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I hope that the administration takes this decision very seriously
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: going forward, aside from the fact that this was an
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: unforced error and an unforced embarrassment. You know, there are
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: serious problems that we're talking about day to day. I
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: know on this show, like, we like to have fun
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: and we'll choose lighter subjects or cultural subjects. But like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: if you're press secretary, like, You know, you have to
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: be taking into consideration the impressions of people who are
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: really struggling day to day and of whom there are
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: still many. And, you know, we're talking about war and peace.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: We're talking about a very tenuous economic situation. Like, can
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: we get somebody who's like a serious person? That's coming
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: from me. So, you know, it's dire.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: See, what's funny is when sometimes, you know, there's a
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: lot of analogies in life for poker. Sometimes people play
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: strong means weak and weak means strong. So, Emma, you
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: come in with your tongue in your cheek so much
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: of the time that sometimes when you come out and you're.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, we need some seriousness, right? It has extra
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: weight to it. Siren, siren emoji.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm curious to see what's next. But there are
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: lessons learned here. I feel bad for Katie to some degree.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: This is just it's just all a lot.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And it'll be a historical sort of embarrassment, which is painful.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: And I do think a lot of the conservatives did
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: pile on, which I find to be kind of gross.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: But overall was not a good fit.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: And c'est la vie.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: All right. The next thing.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Look, I noticed.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Your very careful language when talking about her for the
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: 48 hours that she was relevant. And I thought that
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: that was, you know, for all those haters in the
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: audience who want to say that Alex isn't a champion
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: of women.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: No, I was really rooting for her, and I did
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: not think it was good casting from what I knew
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: about her. I would have been stunned if she had thrived,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: but the president's proved me wrong before, and I like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: to give people a shot. It's very funny because I've
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: always had that inclination even before I had kids. You
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: normally think it's just like as a dad or something.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's because I got elevated– to a management
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: position when I was, you know, 25 at Breitbart.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I was a managing editor.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: And then I was, you know, 27 and I was
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: editor-in-chief and there were all these 40 and 50-year-olds like
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: working for us. And I just, I developed this sort
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: of parental sensibility very early on.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Like, no, you can do it. This is going to
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: be great. Like, you can really do this.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Like, believe in you. And it works more often than not.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: It's a, people do, people want to be around positivity.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: So that is where I was coming from. I was
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: rooting for her, but it was not meant to be.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: That is for sure.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: It was not meant to be.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's clear. Well, I wish her the best.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Emma, are you going to throw your hat in the ring?
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I'm good.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. We'll see about that. I'm going to
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: throw your hat in the ring for you.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: I am terrified of who you're texting when we get
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: off this podcast.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I've only had one call from inside the White House today.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: The only one.
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: Okay. All right.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I got two more things I want to hit with
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: you today. And one, we're doing hard pivot palate cleanser,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I think. This was apparently a viral thing that I missed,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: which is always embarrassing. But we're playing this. We're going
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: to Quebec, as it is pronounced sometimes, for this one.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I'll play this and you can interrupt it or you
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: tell me what we're going to do here.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: All right, I'll lead.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: This actually wasn't the viral one, but it's a good one.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: This is not the right one?
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: I'm saying that wasn't the viral one. That was a
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: secondary one that went after.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I'll play this one. I got it here.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, what are we watching so far?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: So far, I'm seeing the mustache of the century right there.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, haircut of the century right there. We've got a, I.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Don't even know what is this creature. Is this a child?
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Is it an adult? Is it a male? Is it
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: a female?
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: This was very hot online. Like, what century is this?
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Is this now? Is this 50 years ago? What is this? Yeah,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: this kid was hot in the 70s.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I want to roll some B-roll stuff.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: So keep talking.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Perfect.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: So I can't believe you missed this. So this clip
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: went mega viral this week. It was like one of
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: the major stories on Twitter this week.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: It was world discovery. And I don't know where it
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: came from, honestly.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know this was a show in Quebec
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: for many years. So this is a traditional cultural thing
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: in Quebec where they do... Like the translation is like
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: singing for response where like they sing this song where
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: the leader sings a song and then.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: The crowd repeats back what he said and it's a song.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: And that's a common cultural thing with tons of these songs.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Describe it for the.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Audio only audience, anyone who's not missing.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: If you're missing the visuals, most of the platforms now
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: have visuals, even Spotify has visuals. I think Apple's the
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: last holdout and I will get that rectified. But if
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you're not getting the visuals on this, then please, Emma, share.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, it's a kid, like, everyone, well, everyone is clearly, like,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: in the 70s in this clip, and it's a kid
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: performing with, on a set that looks like a restaurant or, like,
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: some sort of dining area, and he comes out and
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: he's singing this song in, like, like, like the term
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: is like pure land, like, like totally pure Quebecois French. Um,
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: and he is being responded to by the people in
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: the audience, many of whom are like in their seventies, uh, or,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: or something. Um, and like, it's funny because, so people
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: basically saw this and freaked out. It went super viral
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: in the U S um, and I can't believe you
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: didn't see it. Every single account was reposting this. And, uh,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting to bring up on the show,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: aside from the fact that it's, like, quirky and anybody
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: who looks this up, like, will end up watching it, like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: 50 times.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: There's something about it that mesmerizes me.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Well, just the color palettes, unbelievable. The mutton chops, the sideburns,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: the outfits.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: And just the premise that some kid would just be
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: singing for a group of clapping adults, all incredibly quiet.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Like, it would be... All these people got dressed up.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: They put on suits and ties to watch these kids
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: sing in a restaurant.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: It really is, what could have brought these people to
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: this moment?
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Well, what it is, is this is real Canadian, or
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Quebec specifically, Quebec culture.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: And the reason.
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: Why I thought it was relevant, and the reason why
• 55:37
  Speaker 9: it compelled me, and maybe you can play the second
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: clip after I say this point, which is, This is
• 55:44
  Speaker 9: what was taken from us.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: And actually, if you're watching it, when I watch these
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: go viral and I was watching these clips come up,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: I've seen some of them before. That was a very
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: popular TV show in Quebec. I was actually emotional watching it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: The video of the man, the first one that you
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: played that I told you that wasn't exactly, although that
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: one went viral too.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: But that literally made me.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Choke up when I watched it because the crime of
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: mass migration in Canada, and it is a crime, is
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: so outrageous. And when you watch this stuff, it makes
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: you remember, like, when I was growing up in Montreal,
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: this is a thing that if anybody has any familiarity
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: with Canadian culture, they'll get it. But, you know, when
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: I was growing up in Montreal, there was this really
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: major resentment from the English because I was basically forced
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: to speak French fluently.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: And there's always this contentious kind.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Of dynamic that happens when you're out like even at
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: a restaurant or at a bar and you're exercising your
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: right to speak English because it's a principle and so
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: you insist on speaking English and then the person you're
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: speaking to will insist on answering you in French. And
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: you both completely understand each other, but you both refuse
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: to switch into the other's language out of some sort
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: of weird standoff. And that was always the biggest gripe
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: that I had growing up, was like, they're making me
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: speak French. And now when I look back and I
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: see what has become of Canada through the policies of
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Justin Trudeau and now continuing through the policies of.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Mark Carney, it is just Such a tragedy.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: It is such a tragedy that we lost that French culture,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: that European culture. I mean, that is like really OG stuff.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: And it's so stark when you see it now because
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: it's almost erased. It's almost erased.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's play some. I love these points. I got
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: the second clip. Let's play this one for you.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: That's like Quebec country. Okay, so walk me.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Through this now.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's just they're doing the same thing.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: It's a style of singing that is not meant to be,
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's not meant to be like a
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: beautiful song.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: It's Although I guess maybe for some places it is.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: No, but the call response, I mean, it's communal engagement.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: It's like people are playing together. Like this is what
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: they're playing.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: And this was like, you know, this was one of
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: those things where cultures have a language. I don't mean
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: like a literal language. I mean like a way of communicating,
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: a way of interacting, a way of having fun that's
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: shorthand and familiar to the people in that culture.
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: Seeing this is like so pure. So when you see it,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: you really realize how far now people have departed. Like
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: if you would go into a bar in Quebec, Quebec,
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: certainly in some places, even in Montreal, and start doing this, like,
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: people would immediately play along and, like, join you.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Let me play a little more. Let me play a
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: little more.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Now it's extinct almost.
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: It's, yeah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, yeah.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: It's very painful for me to watch this, actually. I'm
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: not even kidding.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you say it's painful for you to watch.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Why? Yeah, because, you know, people ask me all the time, like,
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: do you miss Montreal?
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I've been living in the U.S.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: For 10 years, and people ask me all the time,
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: do you miss Montreal? And I think, like, the question
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: doesn't work. Like, I miss something that no longer exists.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Like maybe the answer is yes, but like, let's say
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: I were to miss it and go home. It's like,
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: if there's no homework, um, and you know, maybe this
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: is a warning, you know, we're ahead of the midterms and,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: and then the presidential election is like right, right around
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: the corner after that.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: And it's like, you.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Can lose it. Like, I remember when I was growing
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: up there, the French was this ubiquitous thing that we
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: all took for granted and, uh, and resented sometimes because
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: it imposed its, itself on us. And the French were
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: always really, you know, careful to preserve their culture and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: especially toward the English. And now I think back and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, no, they were right to do that.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: They were right to do that because apparently it can
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: be ephemeral. It can be something that just one day, like,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: is gone. And immigration and its impacts are not theoretical.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: You know, you watch that video. It is not theoretical.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: It's real.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Right, and I feel like this, I was just having
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: this conversation about how there's, I was just having this
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: conversation with my wife about how there's no, the sense
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: of a physical home for people is really not something
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: that is prioritized at all.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: It's the All of our family now lives separate.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: No two families in my immediate family, plus one extension
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: and the family tree. There's no two people within 30 minutes,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and there's probably not going to be two people within
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: two hours coming up here in a new phase that
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: we're about to enter. It's very odd that we just
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: don't even discuss this. Is this good that all the families...
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: That no one is remotely close to each other, of course,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: is bad. If we talked about for five minutes, we
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: would know that's a bad thing, but not enough for
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: anyone to just say, okay, well, let's do something.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Let's all try to find a place where we'd all
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: be happy. But no, that's not going to happen.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: And I think it's another one of the curses of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the internet, which is that we think because we can
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: have FaceTime, that that means that we don't need to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: physically be near each other. And then I think about, well, also,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: you know, we got endless entertainment. We got our smartphones.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Like we got, we got, I subscribed to nine different
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: streaming networks. Like there's so much entertainment here. Is it
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: really more entertaining and more enriching than actually socially gathering
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: with people and singing and everyone participating and having traditions
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: that you uphold and pass them from generation to generation
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: as quaint as they may seem?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Of course not.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: We would all agree if you asked us what's preferable,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the smartphone or the culture where we sing songs and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: pass them down. And yet we make six hours a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: day on this and zero minutes a year on the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: singing at the bar.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, that's one thing that I must say.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: And I'm sure, you know, Catholics in all religions have this. But,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: you know, this is a great role for religion aside from,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: you know, leading, being a guide for your life. It's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: also like an unbroken thread. You know, and there are
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: so many things that I have started to think about
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: since having kids that never really occurred to me before
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: about religion that you realize, like, wait a second, like,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: I have now a generation that I'm responsible for. And
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: if I screw up the lessons and the songs and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: the food and, you know, all of these ancient cultural things,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: then they are going to be the first generation that's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: disconnected from every generation before them. And, you know, that's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: maybe another thing about Canada that's relevant in this conversation,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: which is, especially in Quebec, they had something called the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Quiet Revolution, where they basically just decided to cut ties
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: with Catholicism. And that's certainly part of, yeah, like, we
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: can blame immigration, we can blame the federal government, but
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: for all of their, for all of their, like, militant
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: cultural enforcement, they stopped being Catholic. Right. And I think
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: that that was a big reason why a lot of
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: this stuff has fallen apart.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: And we're looking back on it now.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, there's this like devastating, like, like tragic
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: feeling along with nostalgia for, for a culture that in
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: one generation kind of evaporated.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is something.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: And it just feels like a lot of it. We
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: need to understand that, of course, mass migration is a problem.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Of course, internet addiction is a problem. But some of
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: this stuff is a choice and we need to compel
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: ourselves to start thinking along those lines of how do
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: we have our own agency here Because the internet's not
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: going away.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: It's like, we got it. It's here. It's the temptation
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: to waste your time on stuff. It's not going away.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So anyway, thanks for highlighting that. That's fun.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: And just a very delicious meme with the kids singing.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: I had a thought for a second, maybe you're going to.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Play the Rumpelstiltskin meme. That was everywhere, too. Did you
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: see that one?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: No. Oh, man.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Different algorithms. We'll save that for next week.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: That was a beauty. That was a very, very fun one.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: All right, I got one more on the docket for today.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: This is actually from a 60 Minutes piece. I don't
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: think it's come out yet in full as we're having
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: this conversation, but there's enough of a cut that I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: think we can introduce it here. But a company called
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Character AI filed for bankruptcy. It's an app and a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: website that allows users to interact with these super realistic
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: digital companions. And you and I had a full hour-long
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: special on digital AI relationships, which I recommend to everyone.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I'll try to link to it in the show notes
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: as well so that you guys can just click on it.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: And that is a important topic.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: It is one where increasingly people are going to start
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: rejecting human interaction and embrace digital interaction because it is
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: less messy, because it is easier, because you can toggle
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: it on and off, and you don't get the baggage
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: and messiness of human relationships. And so a company that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: was doing this, tailoring it to children also, which I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: think is completely evil, is now out of business.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: But this is also famous for at least.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: uh partially parents had suggested and i want to be
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: careful here for the lawyers that one of the ais
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: had talked a uh 13 year old into killing herself so.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: I remember researching like finding this story when i was
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: researching the the episode that you're referring to.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: When we did the hour on ai.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah okay let me play a little cut of this
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: and then and then i'll want your thoughts did you.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Know what character ai was no not at.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 10: All I didn't know it existed. I didn't know that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: I needed to.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Look for it.
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  Speaker 2: This is Character AI.
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  Speaker 8: When Character AI was launched three years ago, it was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: rated safe for kids 12 and up and marketed as
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 8: a creative outlet.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Millions of interactive characters.
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  Speaker 3: Where you could.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: Converse with AI characters based on historical figures, cartoons, or celebrities.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: The website and app, which are free, use artificial intelligence
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: to generate immediate conversations through voice commands or text. According
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: to her parents, Juliana Peralta had experienced mild anxiety in
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: the past, but was doing well until the final few
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: months of her life, when they say she became increasingly distant.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: Like, I'm not feeling well, or I have to finish
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: some homework upstairs.
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  Speaker 10: My belief was that she was texting with friends because
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 10: that's all it is. It looks like they're texting.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep going with this guy a little more.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: with character AI bots.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 10: It was writing several paragraphs to her of sexually explicit content.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: What was it asking or telling her to do?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Remove clothing.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 8: The AI bot is telling her to remove her clothing?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: There was one bot that introduced.
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  Speaker 2: Sexual violence.
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  Speaker 3: Saying?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 10: Biting, hitting, things like that.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: So, Emma, I would say a called shot by Alex
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: and Emma on the Marlowe show. And this was four
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: months ago. We recorded that episode, which I will link
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: to in the show notes. Basically saying this stuff's happening.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: And when you start talking about it, now 60 Minutes
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: is on it. Maybe they caught the show.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: You can't doubt that Barry Weiss is maybe an Alex
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Marlowe show viewer. But yeah, no, I mean, look, I, well,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: I was thinking when you first sent me that, I mean,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: that is such a sad story. That is so sad
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: and disgusting. I can't even imagine like being that parent.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Like I would feel guilty somehow. I mean, obviously how
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: could they know they're talking about how they thought she
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: was texting friends and it probably looks like a text chat,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: but man, man, I would be killing myself over what
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: I could have noticed earlier. That is so dark. But anyway,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: so yeah, so I was thinking at first when I
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: saw just the link that you sent me about this,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: that they had been going out of business or they're
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: bankrupt now or whatever. And I mean, so I guess
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: there's two, there's two called shots by that episode that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: are included in this. The first one is, yeah, I mean,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: this is just so evil and, and not, Like, anti-human.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: I think that was how we described it on the episode, right?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Like, anti-human.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: Like, there's something sort of dark about this that feels soulless.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: But maybe that leads into my next point, which is,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know that this has, you know, I thought
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: when I saw that they went bankrupt, I thought that
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: probably makes sense.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: I try to.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: think of a few different outcomes that these things can
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: have when we're having these conversations. And it's like, yeah,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: on the one, you have a bunch of people becoming
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: obsessed with it because there is no, uh, is no
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: subjectivity that you have to grapple with with AI.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: It's just obvious.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: Do whatever you kind of prompt it to. And it
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: gets to know you. So it gets to know the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: things that you want to hear. And it pretty much
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: plays to that. But then on the other hand, you know,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: when you're talking about relationships, which obviously this is for,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: it's not for friendships. You know, it's people who are like,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: quote unquote, fake falling in love with the AI character.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's a love connection. Well, right.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, love connection.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so, you know, look, like this is totally soulless.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: And definitely this is something that I thought about. I
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: don't know if I expressed it on the show or...
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: if I just thought about it afterwards, but it's like
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: with matters of the soul, you can't really counterfeit for long, uh,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: because you have like, you know, something that is on
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: that frequency, you feel the fakeness. And I definitely think
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: I did say this in that episode. I mean, it
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: was so many months ago, but I, I think I
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: touched on this point where you feel like the synthetic
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: nature of it. And when something isn't, isn't hitting quite
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: right or something is off, um, on an issue like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: this or on an experience like this, I should say,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know how long you can engage while not
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: totally betraying yourself and ignoring what you know to be true.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: So maybe this is a pretty predictable outcome.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think that it's not worth fleshing
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: out and talking about and addressing and putting markers down on. Obviously,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: I was the one that insisted on that show because
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: I thought it was just such a compelling issue.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: It's true, you did.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but at the same time, I can see how
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: this is sort of like a Tower of Babel.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: So where do we go from here with this? I mean,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: do people... Will there.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Be a pushback against the digitalization of everything?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Because one of the things that I.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: been thinking about quite a bit in the context of
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: a number of the stories that we talk about, in
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: particular on our episodes, is this breaking down of people's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: ability to forge emotionally intimate connections in the digital age.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: And it's a recurring theme.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: And I don't really think, I don't think people are
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: offering each other on the macro.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Of course, individuals, people can meet and fall in love.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: But I think in terms of.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Macro societal trends, I just find that everyone is getting
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: somewhat less attractive to everyone else. And I think that
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: that's something that's really interesting is that when there's this
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: temptation of these comforts that occur in your phone, that
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the pursuing the hard work that it takes to forge
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: meaningful relationships with human beings, it.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Is, you almost have to have a.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: A philosophical or moral or religious commitment to that's the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: right thing to do to give things a shot these days.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: And I, cause it's so easy just to grab your
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: phone and just think that this is where I'm going
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: to connect.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: You can even see it.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: When I was watching a reality show of younger people,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Gen Z people over my wife's shoulder the other day.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: And you can see sometimes there's some of the characters
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: when they're in their cool guy pose that, where they
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: know the camera's on them and it's time to preen.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: They're still holding their phone in a specific way where
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: they look like they must be looking at something really important.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: And they look like total dweebs to me, but I'm
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: 40 now.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I'm not deciding what's cool or not.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to provide some hope for people, but
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be without some really painful changes.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: And one of them is to run away from that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: we're creating the digital AI love affair and towards something
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: more tangible and real.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if this 160 minutes piece is
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: going to get people there.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: No, well, I mean, I think a few more suicides
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: because of AI bots and lawsuits that ensue may, you know,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: clean up the space a little bit.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: But you're right. Like, look, if it's not this, it's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: something else. And before this, it was apps.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: And I wrote a long column on Breitbart for you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: many years ago, talking about the phenomenon of apps and
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: how they could potentially be extremely destructive and talked about
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: all the ways that they are. I also talked about
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: the ways that I think that they can be extremely productive.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: I got married from meeting somebody on an app uh
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: there's thousands and maybe millions of such cases but uh
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: like yeah i mean this is another level because at
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: least on the at least on the apps you were
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: talking to another human being you were probably blowing them
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: off and also seeing 65 other people at the same
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: time but at least there was a sentient person at
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: the other end of the of the.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: Text box um you know and with this i mean.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: You know I think it's impossible to say right now
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: where this is going. having relationships with bots and essentially
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: with themselves. And then on the other hand, you have
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: people detecting some sort of category error about that experience
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: and abandoning the bots. And then you have the ominous
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: possibility that this technology gets better. And also that this
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: technology could become embodied, which we're already seeing start in Asia,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: where like they're sleeping with bots. So, look, it's hard
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: to say. I like to bet on humanity. I like
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: to think that there's something, you know, it's funny, like,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: I actually wanted to tell you about this off camera. Like,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: I was at dinner with a name that will probably
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: bring you back, Arianna Huffington, this week.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Sure, of course. And, of course, the first thing. And
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: your Breitbart's old boss.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, the first thing I told her was, former Breitbart employee,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: nice to meet you.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: And righteous indignation enjoyer.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: And somehow, in the first five minutes that we started talking,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: she went there where she asked, what is your spirituality?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: What is your religion? And she really wanted to understand that.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: And I thought that, yeah, I mean.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: High quality person and great intellect, too. have the confidence
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: to bring that up and want to have that conversation
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: to a basically a virtual stranger.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Uh, but you know, we were.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: Having this conversation and, and, uh, it made me think
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: about something that I think about often, which is that,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: you know, look, uh, the spiritual element of the world
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: is real. Um, and, uh, It's not easy to kill it.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: It's just not easy to kill it. And there have
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: been many attempts to, you know, before AI and all
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: this tech shit, like there were wars and famines and genocides.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: And there have been many attempts to extinguish the human
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: soul before current year. And I like to think that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: because this is so anti-human that it will set off
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: a tripwire in humanity and that we will find a
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: way to adapt that doesn't require lobotomizing ourselves.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: I hope so. I hope so. And I don't know
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: what it's going to take.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: It's probably going to take, sadly, a lot of physical
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: discipline and a lot of people being able to just
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: physically resist the temptation to go down certain paths and
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: to engage in other behaviors that are uncomfortable but are
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: ultimately more rewarding. But I don't think we can get
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: into all those at this point on the show. Am
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: I anything else.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: That we think we should touch on this week before
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: I let you run?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: No, I think we've covered a lot.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did have, I was going to get your
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: take on the, is it okay to make fun of
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: women who dress like whores at the gym now?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Because it was forever and then that changed over the weekend.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 9: You know what?
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to, let's end on that because I actually
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: have a take.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's okay. Okay, give me a take.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: I want more gym whores.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: Um and I'm not for the reason that you might
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: suspect um I'm saying that because because I you know
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: maybe the other root of the of the George Floyd
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 7: problem is that you know on the one hand we
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 7: encourage women to like liberate themselves or whatever but then
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: on the other hand we do have a penchant for
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: uh for shaming the sluts and uh maybe we should
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: let the sluts thrive I mean We're talking about the
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 7: competition now with AI chatbots.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: So, hey, I mean, if it takes like wearing a
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: sports bra and like a thong to work out or
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: whatever they're doing to get people out of their screen-induced stupor,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: or if it can at least save a few people.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it. It's so interesting. First of all,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: I'm pro-fun. So people who dress well is fun.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: So that's my, well, what's the meme where there's the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: stupid guy.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: And the guy with the Sith Lord?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the hood.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Sith Lord meme. And then there's the bell curve.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: So my stupid guy one is I'm pro-fun and looking
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: good is fun. But my smart guy one is that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: it's actually selfless because you don't end up, you get
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: to walk around feeling good, but you don't end up
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: looking at yourself.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Mrs.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: Dr.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Marlowe, you know, her, she's very fashionable and she likes
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: to have nice things and she's not excessive, but she
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: keeps up with her beauty and things like that, her fashion. And, Um,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you know, she knows it's her and it's sort of
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: her vice, I guess it's sort of her indulgence, but
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I always remind her, don't beat yourself up because we
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: all look at you and you don't look at yourself
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: at all in the mirror for like five minutes. And then,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: so it's like, it's nice if you look good. It's
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: like we all benefit from that.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: And like, we.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: All hate it.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: We all hate it when everyone's dressed like a schlump
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: at the airport. We love it when we see the
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: old timey photos of people in a suit.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: At the airport.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: We love those photos. Yeah, exactly. And those girls, by
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: the way, always look good. They always have like 21% BMI.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: Those girls are always on point. So I'm actually happy
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: for them and keep going. Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: So gym whores, live your best life. Though I do
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: feel like you could push a little too far. And
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: the thing that Shane Gillis was getting which was kind
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: of funny is the suggestion that they are dressed so
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: you look at them and then get mad if you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: look at them that is a real thing because we
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: did this with tattoo guy from a decade ago where
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: like what are you looking at me for you're covering
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: tattoos you're trying to figure out what they are it's like.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: Why did you put them there yeah yeah i would
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: have what is that yeah Is that an eagle?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Do you have an eagle's wings? Like, is it a
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: barbed wire? Do you have a tribal band? Like, I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: want to see what, what is that? That's what I'm
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: looking at. You put it there. That's it.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: You have a comic book strip on your arm. So
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: what is that? I'm going to squint.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: You better not be looking at me. It's like, then
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: don't put art on your body. Then don't. So that's
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: the one thing I thought was pretty, pretty funny about that.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: But all right. Long live the gym whore.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Emma Jo Morris at Beckenstone's for consultancy at Emma Jo
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: NYC on the Everything app.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Emma Jo. As always, talk to you next week.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: And thanks for Misty for duct taping all this together.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: Thank you.