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Credlin | 13 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price with you
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Speaker 2: all this week, filling in for Peter. And now here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Kredlin on what's been an
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Speaker 2: incredibly busy newsday in the courts and politically around Australia.
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Speaker 2: Has put it up in an Anthony Albanezi trade blows
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Speaker 2: in a dress rehearsal for what I think is increasingly
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Speaker 2: looking like an end of the year election coming up.
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Speaker 2: Reaction to the Chris Dawson from the famous Teacher's Pet
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Speaker 2: podcast appeal decision today they're going.
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Speaker 1: To leave him in jail.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk with a senior police investigator from the time
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Speaker 2: Damian Loon bullying and threats from the Radical Construction union
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Speaker 2: boss John Setka toward the afl umpire's chief that we
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Speaker 2: told you about yesterday has failed, I think to draw
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Speaker 2: strong condemnation from the Prime Minister down and the Sports
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Speaker 2: Minister Anika Wells was dragged away from a media conference
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Speaker 2: before she could even respond. I'll get my panel's reaction
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Speaker 2: to that. An anger over the King's Birthday award that's
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Speaker 2: been handed out to former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews for
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Speaker 2: all things services to the people of Victoria that I've
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Speaker 2: described as pathetic. Well that anger grows Victoria's Nationals leader
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Speaker 2: Peter Walsh setting up a petition for it.
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Speaker 1: To be revoked.
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Speaker 2: He'll join us on the program and in lake breaking news,
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Speaker 2: the opposition leader in Victoria is refusing to.
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Speaker 1: Sign that petition. Pathetic.
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Speaker 2: Plus the Blue Mountains down a Lithgow, which I know
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Speaker 2: well where a group of locals have welcomed the idea
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Speaker 2: of a nuclear reactor being located in their region.
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Speaker 1: Let's get on with things. First.
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Speaker 2: Up, the climate was now they've been reignited this week
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Speaker 2: when Opposition leader Peter Dutton lit the fuse in the
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Speaker 2: lead up I think to the next federal election, meaning
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Speaker 2: that all us Australians will again have a climate change
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Speaker 2: at the center of an election issue and a poll.
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Speaker 2: We've played this game many times before, haven't we remember
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Speaker 2: the famous response from the former Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
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Speaker 2: I think she was standing on the Brisbane River when
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Speaker 2: she said these famous words there will.
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Speaker 3: Be no carbon tax under the government high lead.
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Speaker 2: Well, we all know how that ended. Tony Abott defeated
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd with climate again dominating election issues. So here
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Speaker 2: we go again. This was Peter Dutton this week arguing
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Speaker 2: that he would not be signing up to omissions targets
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Speaker 2: for twenty thirty because, as he puts it, they are unattainable.
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Speaker 2: So what's the point.
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Speaker 4: We want to make sure that we've got an energy
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Speaker 4: policy that's working for Australians, not against them. I'm not
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Speaker 4: going to sign up to an arrangement that destroys our
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Speaker 4: economy and sends families and small businesses into bankruptcy.
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Speaker 1: I'm just not going to do that.
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Speaker 2: Well, that sent the global warming Zealots into a complete
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Speaker 2: tail spin. The Greens as usual, we're predicting this would
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Speaker 2: be the end of the world. With the increasingly over
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Speaker 2: the top, out of touch in the city, Green leader
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Speaker 2: Adam Bant threatening to stymy any Peter Dutton attempts to
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Speaker 2: weaken Australia's Paris agreements. So it's now game on. I'll
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Speaker 2: talk to Daniel Wilde from the IPA shortly. His organization
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Speaker 2: a survey out today which in simple terms reveals that
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Speaker 2: the majority of people in Australia don't care. Let me repeat,
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Speaker 2: don't care where their energy. Electricity and gas comes from
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Speaker 2: as long as it's reliable twenty four hours a day
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Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days a year. Consumers, either
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Speaker 2: suburban homeowners or industry just want to keep the lights on.
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Speaker 2: In simple terms, they don't want the Australian way of
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Speaker 2: life and the Australian economy trashed to meet some figure
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Speaker 2: on a piece of paper signed in Paris. Now, Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton is onto something here as long as he keeps
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Speaker 2: reinforcing I believe that Australia needs the full suite of
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Speaker 2: available power sources, including coal and gas, gas plus hydro
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Speaker 2: plus wind plus solar and nuclear. Australia has abundant minerals
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Speaker 2: as we know, including massive amounts of uranium. Put simply
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Speaker 2: use our lottery of life, our natural resources to make
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Speaker 2: our life better, not worse. The Greens and the Teals
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Speaker 2: and most of the Labor Party, including the delusion of
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, don't agree with that. They want a sort
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Speaker 2: of bow down to the zealotry of global warming alarmists,
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Speaker 2: no matter the impact on your country. Let me give
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Speaker 2: you a very simple example. At eleven am today on
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Speaker 2: the east coast of Australia. These were the temperatures and
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Speaker 2: bear in mim were in winter. In Melbourne it was
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Speaker 2: nine degrees nine with zero wind and no sunshine. In
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Speaker 2: Sydney it was fourteen degrees, in Brisbane it was eighteen
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Speaker 2: degrees and in Port Douglas it was twenty four degrees.
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Speaker 2: To state the obvious, Australia's a big country and the
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Speaker 2: energy needs at eleven am today in Melbourne were vastly
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Speaker 2: different from the energy needs of those people who were
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Speaker 2: luckily in far North Queensland. So how can we have
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Speaker 2: one size fits all energy policy that disregards the size
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Speaker 2: and geography of our country. So what was keeping the
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Speaker 2: lights on in Melbourne, you ask at eleven am today? Well,
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Speaker 2: according to an energy app that we can all look at, coal,
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Speaker 2: gas and hydro were generating wait for it, ninety eight
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Speaker 2: percent of Melbourne's electricity. Solar was generating one percent and
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Speaker 2: wind one percent. So on Thursday June thirteen and twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four, the Renewables Labour wants to introduce to generate
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Speaker 2: eighty two percent of Australia's electricity in just five years
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Speaker 2: and six and a half months was generating two percent.
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Speaker 2: Take Golan colon gas out of that mix, and you
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be watching me right now. You'd be trying to
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Speaker 2: remember where you put the candles. Let's head the camera
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Speaker 2: now for tonight's political headline with scott News political reporter
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Speaker 2: Can Written Good Evening.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister has called on a powerful union to
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Speaker 5: end its campaign against the AFL. CFMU leader John Setka
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Speaker 5: is threatening to delay or slow down work on the
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Speaker 5: game's projects unless its umpiring boss, Stephen McBurnie is given
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Speaker 5: the boot.
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Speaker 6: Do you believe that he should give up on his
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Speaker 6: campaign against the APHA?
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Speaker 7: Yes, it's not very just common sense.
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Speaker 8: Where was the condemnation of this type of behavior.
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Speaker 5: The union's campaign revives a long running stoush with mcbernie,
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Speaker 5: who previously headed up the Building in Construction watchdog the
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Speaker 5: AB double c. If you want to win over the
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Speaker 5: Australian people, don't start attacking the AFL. Social media giants
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Speaker 5: could face financial penalties if they refuse to comply with
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Speaker 5: aide restrictions for children.
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Speaker 1: Companies will be required to comply.
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Speaker 9: With the new law.
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Speaker 5: If elected, The coalition would lift the minimum age for
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Speaker 5: social media access from thirteen to sixteen within its first
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Speaker 5: one hundred days in.
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Speaker 1: Office sixteen is a regionable age. That's what we're looking at.
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Speaker 7: Petter Dutton.
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Speaker 1: It's good that is.
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Speaker 5: Caught up making tech giants playball has proven difficult. Peter
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Speaker 5: Dutton willing to take a big stick approach.
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Speaker 4: We can work through the tax system or whatever is
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Speaker 4: required to budge these companies into an outcome.
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Speaker 5: Unemployment fell for the month of May ahead of next
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Speaker 5: week's crucial Reserve Bank Board meeting.
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Speaker 1: Low unemployment is critically important. There's nothing more important than
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Speaker 1: a job.
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Speaker 5: The jobless rates ticking down to a flat four percent,
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Speaker 5: with another thirty nine thousand jobs created and nine thousand
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Speaker 5: fewer people unemployed.
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Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty thousand jobs have been created on
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Speaker 2: our watch.
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Speaker 5: We've just surged the population by almost a million in
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Speaker 5: two years and we still have unemployment near fifty year lows.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Cameron, Thank you for that. Now please
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Speaker 2: to get across tonight, so joining me now, Media writer
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Speaker 2: at the Australian newspaper, Sophie Ellsworth, who's doing an outstanding job,
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Speaker 2: and Deputy Executive director at the Institute of Public Affairs,
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Speaker 2: Daniel Wilde. Sophie, Daniel, welcome now, Daniel I spoke about
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Speaker 2: how the climate walls are heating up again. You've got
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Speaker 2: some new polling. I think of one thousand voters and
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Speaker 2: their attitude when it comes to energy policies and how
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Speaker 2: much they're actually willing to pay to reach targets. What
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Speaker 2: does it tell us.
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Speaker 10: Well, Steve, what it found is that some forty eight
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Speaker 10: percent we're willing to pay nothing for Australia to meet
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Speaker 10: our net zero target, and ninety five percent said the
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Speaker 10: most they pay is one hundred dollars a year. And
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Speaker 10: I can bet you London to a brick, Steve, every
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Speaker 10: single one of your viewers has seen their bills go
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Speaker 10: up by more than one hundred dollars over the past
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Speaker 10: year because of these net zero targets. And what this
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Speaker 10: show Steve, is that net zero is dead. The support
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Speaker 10: in the community is wayfer thin. It's like the Voice
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Speaker 10: to Parliament. People like the sound of it, they're willing
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Speaker 10: to give it a go, but when they learn about it,
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Speaker 10: they don't support it. And we've also seen key actions
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Speaker 10: from labor political leaders Chris Mins keeping the IRA and
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Speaker 10: col fire power station open. Even the Victorian government, the
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Speaker 10: most left wing government in the nation, issuing the first
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Speaker 10: gas permit for a decade. Federally, they've said we need
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Speaker 10: gas because renewables can't get the job done. So support
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Speaker 10: for net zero and the twenty thirty target as well
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Speaker 10: is collapsing.
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Speaker 1: So it's Dutton onto a good thing.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, Dutton's onto a good thing.
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Speaker 10: He's shown very important leadership because we're now having a debate.
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Speaker 10: We haven't had a debate for four or five years
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Speaker 10: on our climate goals and targets, and not having a
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Speaker 10: twenty thirty target is absolutely the right call because it
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Speaker 10: cannot be met without significant economic and social dislocation.
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Speaker 2: So Sophie Peter Dutton rammed up the pressure today on
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Speaker 2: the PM to condemn the CFMAU. We spoke about this
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Speaker 2: yesterday on the program set John sec came out declared
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Speaker 2: war on the AFL. Now here's Sports Minister Anika Wells,
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Speaker 2: who was it even allowed to answer questions today about this?
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 11: Question, can I just take all the Australia representatives away
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Speaker 11: from Okay, I.
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Speaker 2: Think gone stuff has said sorry mate, out of time.
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Speaker 1: That's a sports minister.
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Speaker 3: The cameras are right there. Annika Wells surely would.
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Speaker 8: Have been aware of what was going well, you would
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Speaker 8: think so, and the spinner that the media advisor really
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Speaker 8: shouldn't do that.
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Speaker 3: Bring it back and answer the questions.
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Speaker 8: And this is where they make the spinner has made
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Speaker 8: the minister look direct, so bad strategy.
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Speaker 2: Kieren Gilbert today, who's seen more of these, you know,
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Speaker 2: he's covered live on Sky more of these TV media
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Speaker 2: conferences than anyone else. He said he'd never seen anything as.
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Speaker 3: Bad as that, which is amateur hour.
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Speaker 2: Well, especially given she's the Sports Minister and it's not
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Speaker 2: as if her portfolio doesn't have anything to do with
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Speaker 2: the AFL. She's in charge of policy that has impacts
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Speaker 2: on the APH.
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Speaker 8: I mean, this was bad, Steve, but it's also up
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Speaker 8: there with Clara O'Neil when she was chased chase to
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Speaker 8: Parliament House a month or so ago, when she was
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Speaker 8: under pressure.
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Speaker 3: You need to handle the media better than this.
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Speaker 8: These are experienced politicians, they're not new kids on the
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Speaker 8: block and that's just clips that.
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Speaker 3: Gives us stuff to talk about that makes them look bad.
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Speaker 2: Daniel the longer labor both federally and here in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: don't call out this behavior of John Seca just emboldens
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Speaker 2: that union. We've seen the TWU have jumped on board
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Speaker 2: today and said, oh, Virgin shouldn't hire the bloke they're
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Speaker 2: thinking of hind to run their airline. Setka is basically
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Speaker 2: bullying and threatening to blackmail the AFL. We won't work
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Speaker 2: on your projects if you don't sack the head of
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Speaker 2: umpiring because he once annoyed John Seca. I mean I
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Speaker 2: made the point Setcka's record brack record is appalling. I
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Speaker 2: brought up the grow Con. You might remember the grow
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Speaker 2: Con building site in Melbourne where there was a picket line.
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Speaker 2: One of the grow Con managers was driving through that
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Speaker 2: picket line. Sectors bashed his fist on the windshield and
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Speaker 2: shouted at that manager, I hope you dive from your cancer.
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Speaker 1: This is a sort of bloke we're dealing with.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 10: I mean, clearly his behavior is out of bounds and
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Speaker 10: most likely unlawful. There's been a lack of solid political
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Speaker 10: leadership at the state and federal level to deal with that.
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Speaker 10: I think the AFL does have a separat issue here, Steve,
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Speaker 10: which is that they're standing in the community is at
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Speaker 10: at all time low because they're the woekest, most left
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Speaker 10: wing sporting organization in the in the country. They've made
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Speaker 10: a decision. Actually it's not be a sporting organization but
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Speaker 10: a political outfit. They're basically the sporting arm of Labor
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Speaker 10: and the Greens when you pare.
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Speaker 1: With you on that is.
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Speaker 2: I think Andrew Dillon might be slightly less woke than
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Speaker 2: what Gil McGlaughlin was. What may change under him.
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Speaker 9: That could be the case.
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Speaker 10: But this needs to be a lesson to the AFL,
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Speaker 10: which is that if you're going to play politics, don't
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Speaker 10: complain when politics blows back on you. They need to
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Speaker 10: stay out of politics and learn a lesson that no
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Speaker 10: matter how work you are, it won't protect you from
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Speaker 10: John Seca.
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Speaker 1: That's probably a good point.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton is out today who was taking aim at
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Speaker 2: social media giants and their lack of willingness I guess
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Speaker 2: to protect kids online. I think he's on a good
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Speaker 2: policy here as well. He's vowed to raise the minimum
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Speaker 2: age of access to social media from thirteen up to
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Speaker 2: sixteen within one hundred days of being voted in Sophie
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Speaker 2: good idea I think is practical, do we.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be hard to enforce.
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Speaker 8: I think I was listening to talk back radio on
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Speaker 8: this today, and there's a lot of parents, you know,
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Speaker 8: ringing up saying we don't know what to do with
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Speaker 8: our kids who are addicted to social media. They're on
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Speaker 8: these platforms, they don't know what they're doing on these platforms.
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Speaker 8: So I think there has to be some sort of intervention.
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Speaker 8: But it's how do you make how do you actually
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Speaker 8: enforce this? And it'll be interesting to see when more
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Speaker 8: details come to light. But I think a lot of
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Speaker 8: parents in Australia Steve rightly so a concern open to
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Speaker 8: options of trying to fix this serious problem.
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Speaker 1: We have to have the conversation, don't we, Danel.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I heard someone on radio today saying that
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Speaker 2: perhaps it's the devices that need to get involved as
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Speaker 2: well as the social media giants. This guy was from Facebook.
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Speaker 2: He said, well, if you can't access it as that
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Speaker 2: age because your device won't let you, maybe that's a
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Speaker 2: better way to go.
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Speaker 1: I agree with that point.
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Speaker 10: I think this is really the first step to what
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Speaker 10: will be more extensive regulation of access to that content.
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Speaker 10: I share Sophie's view that every single parent is concerned
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Speaker 10: about this, and I think it's good that Peter Dunton
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Speaker 10: has recognized this problem. Parents have to be the first
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Speaker 10: port of call, but there's only so much they can do.
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Speaker 10: I will say that there is a deeper question in
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Speaker 10: our society, which is why are children so glued to
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Speaker 10: smartphones and social media? And I think it's to escape
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Speaker 10: a lot of the cultural malais and the negativity they're
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Speaker 10: presented with. I mean, kids go to school, what are
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Speaker 10: they told, We're on stolen land, We're a racist country,
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Speaker 10: the world's going to end. Young men are the coll
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Speaker 10: of all the problems, and your parents are bad for
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Speaker 10: contributing to all of this. So they're presented with a
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Speaker 10: very nihilistic view of the world, So no wonder they
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Speaker 10: want to escape it.
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Speaker 2: So if you're part of the issue, of course is
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Speaker 2: that the parents themselves are wedded to their phone. So
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Speaker 2: it's hard to tell your children not to be using
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Speaker 2: their device when their parents are doing exactly the same thing.
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Speaker 8: Well, they look at what their parents are doing, don't
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Speaker 8: they Steve, Especially really little kids you see, you know,
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Speaker 8: the cafes whatever, They're sitting there with the device because
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Speaker 8: the parents just want them to be occupied. But I
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Speaker 8: think this is something that does need to be dealt with,
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Speaker 8: and I think if Peter doesn't can share more information
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Speaker 8: of how it will work, because I think people are
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Speaker 8: a bit skeptical. How do you actually intervene and have
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Speaker 8: a limit?
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Speaker 2: Well, Hea, he's going to do it within one hundred days,
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Speaker 2: so presumably he's got to find someone in the world
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Speaker 2: who can tell him how he's going to actually do that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I had a big cracket Daniel Andrews on
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Speaker 2: Commercial TV this week on the project, and I copped
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Speaker 2: it huge amount of abuse on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: I've finally realized Twitter.
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Speaker 2: Is only occupied by lunatics from the left, Daniel. They
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Speaker 2: just went to town on me. I've written a column
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Speaker 2: about it for the paper tomorrow, but Twitter is just
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Speaker 2: a sooner now.
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Speaker 10: Well, at least it gave you content for a column,
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Speaker 10: so that's that one of the good things, one of
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Speaker 10: the upsides. But look, you're right, you know, social media,
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Speaker 10: but particularly Twitter, is not representative of society as a whole,
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Speaker 10: and I think a lot of people will be It's
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Speaker 10: definitely not. I mean, if it was, it would have
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Speaker 10: been an eighty percent yes vote. They said it was
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Speaker 10: a forty percent yes vote. So no, I think people
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Speaker 10: will be a lot better off if they limit their
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Speaker 10: time on social media. And get out in the real
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Speaker 10: world rather than getting too focused on a small group
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Speaker 10: of individuals.
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Speaker 2: Sophie, big media story broke tonight. You've alluded me to it.
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Speaker 2: Obviously you're going to write about it. In Australia tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: Paul Barry is set to depart. We loving this the
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Speaker 2: ABC's Media Watch program in December's had eleven years in
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Speaker 2: the role.
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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to.
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Speaker 8: That, Well, my reaction is, Steve, I think a lot
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Speaker 8: of people will be hoping that the next person that
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Speaker 8: takes over from Paul Barry won't have this intense focus
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Speaker 8: on news Corp that he has had, because if you
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Speaker 8: counted up all the articles or stories that he's focused on,
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Speaker 8: I'd be pretty sure there's a large focus on news corp.
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Speaker 3: Now, I will say this about Paul Barry.
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Speaker 8: On occasions he has been critical of the ABC recently
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Speaker 8: recently he hasn't always done that, but when you know
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Speaker 8: media appraising him as this esteem journalist and incredibly independent,
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Speaker 8: he does definitely let his views be known on social
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Speaker 8: media and he has this, you know, real focus on
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Speaker 8: news corp. So let's welcome in the new person and
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Speaker 8: hope they are more fair and balanced and perhaps look
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Speaker 8: at articles posted by the Guardian. Yes, I h and
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Speaker 8: The Age and other outlets rather than just I.
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Speaker 1: Might be looking at the new host of media working.
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Speaker 3: You might be, but the resume.
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Speaker 1: Have they asked you not yet? They should?
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Speaker 2: You've broken more media stories this year than anyone ever before.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you do it? Daniel? Good to see Paul
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Speaker 1: Berry go out.
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Speaker 9: I think Sophi would be a great choice.
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Speaker 10: I'd tune into that if your first time watched the
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Speaker 10: ABC in a long time, I tell you that.
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Speaker 9: So now, look, I'm.
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Speaker 10: Not holding my breath for any impartiality coming in. I
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Speaker 10: mean the ABC is a shadow of its former self.
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Speaker 10: It's become an echo chamber. So I don't think it
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Speaker 10: matters who's sitting in the chair unless it's Sophie.
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Speaker 9: I don't think we're going to get any balance.
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Speaker 1: So if you, Daniel, thank you very much for coming in.
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Speaker 1: All right?
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Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, the shameful decision from the
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Speaker 2: UN that lumps Israel in with masks when it comes
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Speaker 2: to crimes against humanity, Plus Chris Dawson of Teachers Pet
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Speaker 2: Phone losers his unsuccessful bid to appeal. I'll speak to
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Speaker 2: a former detective who work closely on the case.
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Speaker 1: For many years.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Stu Price in for Peter Credlin. You
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Speaker 2: really have to wonder about the United Nations now they've
18:53
Speaker 2: released this report that has accused both Israel and Hummas
18:58
Speaker 2: of crimes against humanity following an investigation into the war
19:02
Speaker 2: in Gaza. Now this is the UN Commission of Inquiry
19:05
Speaker 2: that concluded Israel had committed crimes including in quotations, extermination,
19:12
Speaker 2: and gender persecution targeting Palestinian men and boys. We're not
19:17
Speaker 2: surprising the Israelis firmly rejected those findings and has accused
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Speaker 2: the Commission of systemic anti Israeli discrimination. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: to discuss this and other matters about Gaza is the
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Speaker 2: Executive Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Rifchin. Good
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Speaker 2: to see you again, Alex. What do you make of
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Speaker 2: the UN here? I mean, how would they come to
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Speaker 2: this conclusion?
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Speaker 12: You know, Steve, it reminds me of this old Jewish
19:44
Speaker 12: expression that the anti semi doesn't accuse the Jew, accused
19:47
Speaker 12: the Jew of stealing because he actually thinks he stole something.
19:50
Speaker 12: He just enjoys watching the Jew turn his pockets out
19:53
Speaker 12: to prove his innocence. And there's really an element of
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Speaker 12: that here. You know, for the last eight months, since
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Speaker 12: October seventh, Israel and Jewish community has been accused of
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Speaker 12: everything under the sun. And there comes a point in
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Speaker 12: which you stop turning your pockets out and stop pleading
20:06
Speaker 12: for acceptance and to be believed. I mean, these latest
20:10
Speaker 12: accusations are scandalous. As you said, they equate harm us
20:13
Speaker 12: as crimes with Israel's legitimate war of self defense to
20:16
Speaker 12: root out of terror force and rescues hostages. And unless
20:20
Speaker 12: the UN is going to actually step up and do
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Speaker 12: something and dismantle Hamas and liberate the hostages, I think
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Speaker 12: they should sit this one out.
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Speaker 2: What is the history between the UN and Israel, the
20:32
Speaker 2: modern history, the recent history.
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Speaker 12: Well, we can go back even to nineteen seventy five
20:37
Speaker 12: when the General Assembly of the UN passed a resolution
20:41
Speaker 12: that defined Zionis in which the Jewish National movement that
20:44
Speaker 12: led to the creations that of Israel as a form
20:46
Speaker 12: of racism. So it just shows the way the UN works.
20:50
Speaker 12: It works based on a majority, and the majority of
20:52
Speaker 12: states are non democratic, they're despotic, they're anti liberal, and
20:57
Speaker 12: they gang up and they target Israel, and we've seen bias.
21:01
Speaker 12: We've seen commissions of inquiry leveled at Israel and no
21:04
Speaker 12: other country on Earth fighting similar wars. There's an inherent
21:08
Speaker 12: bias which is revealed throughout UNESCO, UNRAH, the Human Rights Commission,
21:13
Speaker 12: every UN body has been compromised. But unfortunately the UN
21:17
Speaker 12: still carries this moral weight where people believe that what
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Speaker 12: it says has some sort of validity or neutrality. But
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Speaker 12: I think this will harm the credibility to the UN
21:25
Speaker 12: much more than it harms Israel. Israel has its war
21:27
Speaker 12: aims which are legitimate, and it has to continue to
21:30
Speaker 12: prosecute them.
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Speaker 2: And the other problem here, Alex, of course, is we
21:34
Speaker 2: can bring this back home to Australia. We've seen our
21:38
Speaker 2: streets used for you know, ever since October seven as
21:43
Speaker 2: places for pro Palestinian protests. When the UN comes out
21:47
Speaker 2: with a report like this, this just gives more oxygen
21:50
Speaker 2: to those people who hate Israel, who are antisemitic, and
21:54
Speaker 2: who have been marching up and down the streets with
21:57
Speaker 2: Palla Stinian flags. It just gives them moren't it.
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Speaker 12: It's exactly right. There's always been this interplay between the
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Speaker 12: United Nations and civil society So when the un decrease
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Speaker 12: something of this sort, you then see human rights organizations
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Speaker 12: like Amnestyink, OXFAM pick up the message, then spread throughout
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Speaker 12: the university campuses, in academia, the left wing media, and
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Speaker 12: suddenly it hits our streets and it makes life more
22:21
Speaker 12: unlivable for the Jewish community in this country. It leads
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Speaker 12: to more division, more false accusations, and more hatred. So
22:27
Speaker 12: it needs to be caught out and it needs to
22:29
Speaker 12: stop at the beginning of the process. You know, we
22:32
Speaker 12: need our government to denounce this, to stand with Israel,
22:36
Speaker 12: which it's been kind of shaking and doing so from
22:38
Speaker 12: the very beginning. But the more this begins to filter
22:41
Speaker 12: down to civil society, the more harmful it we'll get
22:43
Speaker 12: to our social cohesion.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be very interested to see what our federal
22:48
Speaker 2: government says about it. Let's talk about the ceasefire proposal.
22:53
Speaker 2: Hamas has again added new demands to the proposal that
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Speaker 2: had been backed by the United States, had been backed
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Speaker 2: by Israel, to declare, you know, a permanent cease fire
23:04
Speaker 2: before some of the hostages were going to be released. Now,
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Speaker 2: the US Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln, who's currently in
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Speaker 2: the middle East promoting this plan. He says, some of
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Speaker 2: the new demands are unworkable. Let's take something out of this.
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Speaker 2: He's Anthony Blincoln.
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Speaker 13: Hermas could have answered with a single word yes. Instead
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Speaker 13: a mass waited nearly two weeks and then proposed more changes,
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Speaker 13: a number of which go beyond positions that had previously
23:36
Speaker 13: taken and accepted.
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Speaker 2: Alex, you take some heart out of that. I mean
23:41
Speaker 2: the Americans standing strong say and really giving it to
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Speaker 2: Hamas in that media conference there.
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Speaker 12: Look, I do, and I hope the world sits up
23:49
Speaker 12: and listens to this. But this is an extraordinary situation.
23:51
Speaker 12: You have Hamasa supporters in the West basically chating for
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Speaker 12: a ceasefire, accusing as rather genocide, whereas the Palestineans and
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Speaker 12: Gaza themselves think that things are going fine. They're quibbling
24:03
Speaker 12: over the details of this agreement, and if the US
24:06
Speaker 12: is to be understood at face value and what they're saying,
24:10
Speaker 12: it doesn't look like hamass any actual interest in arriving
24:13
Speaker 12: at a conclusion here. You know, Sinwa has just said
24:16
Speaker 12: via his intermediaries outside Gaza that they have the Israelis
24:21
Speaker 12: right where they want them, not militarily, militarily they're getting battered.
24:24
Speaker 12: But the long term strategy of Hamas is to bring
24:26
Speaker 12: about Israel's international isolation. So the more that you have
24:29
Speaker 12: Western countries calling for the recognition of Palestine, the more
24:34
Speaker 12: you have them heaping pressure on Israel from international forums,
24:37
Speaker 12: it plays directly into Hamasa's strategy and it perpetuates this war,
24:40
Speaker 12: it keeps it going. So the international community is really culpable.
24:44
Speaker 12: Have they stood by Israel from the beginning, and so
24:46
Speaker 12: they support Israel's legitimate war aims the rescue of the hostages,
24:50
Speaker 12: the collapse of Hamas. That Hamas has no future in Gaza,
24:53
Speaker 12: we wouldn't be in this position.
24:57
Speaker 2: Just briefly, back to what's playing out on the streets here.
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Speaker 2: I mean for some time now that we have seen
25:03
Speaker 2: that there's been so much trouble. New data has revealed
25:07
Speaker 2: sixty people have been arrested by Victoria police in relation
25:10
Speaker 2: to the Israel Hamas conflict, with a total of one
25:13
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety seven incidents related to the war since
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Speaker 2: October seven.
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Speaker 1: Now eighty eight of.
25:18
Speaker 2: Those incidents are considered to be anti Semitic. That's more
25:22
Speaker 2: than five times the amount of Islamophobia reported that stands
25:27
Speaker 2: at sixteen, so someone finally, Alex is doing some of
25:30
Speaker 2: the research on this.
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Speaker 12: Well, we've been saying from the very beginning that there's
25:35
Speaker 12: been an unprecedented surgeon anti Semitic incidents in this country
25:38
Speaker 12: and there's no doubt as to why that's happening. It's
25:42
Speaker 12: happening through the prism of this anti Israel Procastinian movement.
25:45
Speaker 12: We've seen the support for terrorism on our streets. It's
25:48
Speaker 12: becoming more and more brazen because there's been an absence
25:51
Speaker 12: of leadership by university vice chancellors, by governments in certain cases,
25:55
Speaker 12: and it's created this permissive attitude. And now we're seeing
25:58
Speaker 12: people wearing hummas, bandanas and badgers in street protests, the
26:03
Speaker 12: paraphinity of a prescribed terrorist organization. And when you're dealing
26:07
Speaker 12: with fanatics and extremists, the longer things go on, the
26:09
Speaker 12: more extreme they become, they reveal themselves to be who
26:12
Speaker 12: they are, and so it's unsurprising that we're seeing more
26:15
Speaker 12: and more antisemitism in our streets flowing from this protest movement.
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Speaker 2: Alex, thanks for your time again. I appreciate it. As usual. Now,
26:25
Speaker 2: as I mentioned this afternoon, Chris Dawson, who we got
26:28
Speaker 2: to know, of course, through the excellent podcast by my
26:31
Speaker 2: dear friend Headley Thomas. The Teacher's Pet. Dawson has lost
26:35
Speaker 2: his appeal to have his conviction for the murder of
26:38
Speaker 2: his wife overturned.
26:39
Speaker 1: Now.
26:40
Speaker 2: Dawson, when he was sentenced, was sentenced to twenty four
26:43
Speaker 2: years in prison. That was back in December twenty twenty two.
26:46
Speaker 2: The court's decision today means he will continue to serve
26:50
Speaker 2: out that term behind bars. Joining me to discuss this
26:54
Speaker 2: is former New South Wales Detective Sergeant Damien Learn. Damien,
26:58
Speaker 2: that would be a massive relief to Lynette's family, not
27:01
Speaker 2: to mention people like yourself who've put so much into
27:04
Speaker 2: this case over the years.
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Speaker 6: A greeably so. And yeah, thank you and that's right.
27:11
Speaker 6: This is all about the family of lean and I
27:13
Speaker 6: and I have heard from in this afternoon and they
27:15
Speaker 6: are very very welcome with the unanimous decision by the
27:19
Speaker 6: three justices and the accorded to criminal Pearl handed down this
27:22
Speaker 6: afternoon of Dawson. And it was no wonder and we're
27:28
Speaker 6: very very confident throughout the Pearl Gary that this would
27:32
Speaker 6: have been the right decision.
27:35
Speaker 2: He'll now die in jail, won't he? If he serves
27:37
Speaker 2: his full term, who'll be what in his mid nineties.
27:41
Speaker 6: More than likely, and not only will that be, they
27:45
Speaker 6: have to do his head sentence out because the Lyn's
27:48
Speaker 6: Law is down in place. Was he through the House
27:51
Speaker 6: of Representatives by the shoes pay on the eighth that
27:54
Speaker 6: have made this year through Rob Bullsack, and it is
27:57
Speaker 6: now known as the In's Law parole. So you'll have
28:02
Speaker 6: to do the head saddence now of twenty four years
28:05
Speaker 6: before he's released. If he doesn't soul for the place
28:07
Speaker 6: or the authorities where it ends by the is he'll
28:10
Speaker 6: be el parole after eighteen years.
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Speaker 1: He'll be unlikely he's going to do that.
28:17
Speaker 2: He wouldn't be where he is tonight and where he's
28:20
Speaker 2: going to die if it hadn't been for the work
28:23
Speaker 2: of principally Headley Thomas, the willingness of the family to
28:28
Speaker 2: get involved and it cooperate with Headley's fantastic work and
28:33
Speaker 2: the work that you did with Headley. I mean, we
28:35
Speaker 2: all owe him a huge gratitude, particularly the family of Lynn.
28:40
Speaker 6: Absolutely and this highlighted the case that you know, even
28:44
Speaker 6: after forty odd years, that we still can produce her
28:47
Speaker 6: and prosecutor a strong circumstances breed elements through the Supreme
28:53
Speaker 6: Court for Homeside and you know the work that was
28:57
Speaker 6: done by Helly and his Tesus pair podcast and well
29:00
Speaker 6: particularly also for those other ones that have gone missing
29:03
Speaker 6: over the years in other jurisdicians and saya saterities of
29:07
Speaker 6: Australia that there is a question as to what's really
29:11
Speaker 6: happened to them. And you know, if you're involved, I'd
29:14
Speaker 6: be sort of like I'll be looking over my soul,
29:16
Speaker 6: I mean my door.
29:17
Speaker 12: Asked.
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Speaker 2: Damian lun Well done, thank you very much, and well
29:23
Speaker 2: done to our mate Headly Thomas, thanks for that, thanks
29:25
Speaker 2: for joining us after the break growing anger at Daniel
29:28
Speaker 2: Andrews's top honor. I called it Pathethetic earlier in the week.
29:32
Speaker 2: Now petition has now been launched to recall the decision
29:35
Speaker 2: to give him that award, plus a bit later on
29:38
Speaker 2: for all Labour's talk, it looks like there's at least
29:40
Speaker 2: one regional community in our country that's saying, bring on
29:44
Speaker 2: a nuclear reactor, we'll have it in our backyard. Thank
29:47
Speaker 2: you very much. Welcome back to Steve Price in for
29:53
Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin Weill. Four days on and the anger over
29:56
Speaker 2: that decision. That crazy decision to hand Daniel Andrews the
30:00
Speaker 2: nation's highest honor is still being met with outrage. There
30:04
Speaker 2: was a poll again in the Herald Sun this afternoon
30:07
Speaker 2: that shows ninety six percent of people who bothered to
30:11
Speaker 2: reciprocate that poll, said that he should not have been
30:14
Speaker 2: awarded that award in Victoria. You only have to talk
30:17
Speaker 2: on Talkback Greater to realize the anger is palpable, let
30:20
Speaker 2: alone how the rest of the country has reacted. Well,
30:22
Speaker 2: if you like me, it is baffled by this decision
30:25
Speaker 2: to recognize Dan Andrews.
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Speaker 1: As I am.
30:27
Speaker 2: There's now something you can actually do. There's a petition
30:29
Speaker 2: that was launched yesterday to strip Daniel Andrews of what
30:33
Speaker 2: is a virtual knighthood. Sir Daniel Andrews joining me now
30:37
Speaker 2: to discuss. Is the man who's launched this petition, Victorian
30:40
Speaker 2: Nationals leader Peter Walsh. Peter, good to see you again.
30:44
Speaker 2: What prompted the idea of the petition?
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Speaker 14: Good earning state, So, as your introduction said, a lot
30:52
Speaker 14: of people very unhappy. We want this petition is to
30:56
Speaker 14: petition the Governor General to actually withdraw that award. Yes,
31:00
Speaker 14: we can all vent but we need actually an action,
31:02
Speaker 14: which is why we've done what we've done. A litany
31:05
Speaker 14: of broken promises, deception as a premier for a decade,
31:12
Speaker 14: and we don't believe he deserves a particular award. Started
31:16
Speaker 14: with you know, when you first got elected, he spent
31:18
Speaker 14: one point three billion dollars not to build a road
31:20
Speaker 14: and so on.
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Speaker 2: I thought it on Monday pathetic. I think I was
31:25
Speaker 2: been rather kind. Can the petition actually achieve anything? I mean,
31:31
Speaker 2: if you've got enough signatories to the petition, would the
31:34
Speaker 2: Governor General have to take any notice.
31:38
Speaker 14: Well, he doesn't have to, but if there is enough
31:41
Speaker 14: people signed, I believe it would be his role to
31:43
Speaker 14: actually make sure he does take some notes. There has
31:45
Speaker 14: been people in the past who have done things wrong
31:48
Speaker 14: that have had their awards taken away. I don't think
31:51
Speaker 14: there was enough scrutiny put to this particular case. If
31:54
Speaker 14: you look at people normally get these awards, it's a
31:57
Speaker 14: two three four year process. This was done less than
32:00
Speaker 14: twelve months. That to me smacks of political interference to
32:04
Speaker 14: make sure it is put through quickly. As I was
32:07
Speaker 14: saying before, if you go through his career, it's broken
32:10
Speaker 14: promise after broken promise there was to be no new
32:12
Speaker 14: taxes and increased charges here in Victoria we now have
32:16
Speaker 14: fifty five new taxes and increased charges. Half of those
32:20
Speaker 14: are on property, which is one of the reasons we
32:22
Speaker 14: have a housing crisis and the rental crisis in Victoria.
32:25
Speaker 14: And the most recent example would be the Conwealth Games,
32:28
Speaker 14: effectively a hoax before the twenty two election to say
32:31
Speaker 14: that regial Victoria was going to benefitm having the Comonwealth
32:34
Speaker 14: Games in the regions and post election that's gone. So
32:38
Speaker 14: why would someone like former Premier Andrews get an award
32:41
Speaker 14: for deceiving Victorians and leaving us in a huge debthhole
32:45
Speaker 14: that will take generations to pay off.
32:49
Speaker 2: The citation Peter mentioned health policies, which is pretty ironic
32:54
Speaker 2: given that you know Victorians were locked up for two
32:57
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two days. But the number of people
32:59
Speaker 2: who die I the failed hotel quarantine scheme over eight
33:03
Speaker 2: hundred deaths. And Daddy Andrews appeared before and in so
33:07
Speaker 2: called inquiry, and he told that inquiry he couldn't remember
33:12
Speaker 2: who made the decision to hire the security firm that
33:15
Speaker 2: was put in charge of hotel quarantine. How the hell
33:18
Speaker 2: can you have a citation mentioning health policies and hand
33:22
Speaker 2: out the highest award that you can get in Australia
33:24
Speaker 2: as a civilian.
33:27
Speaker 9: Well.
33:27
Speaker 14: And I watched that the coach inquiry Steve, and I
33:30
Speaker 14: think from memory the Premier said twenty seven times that
33:33
Speaker 14: he couldn't recall you don't have the roles he's had
33:36
Speaker 14: through his time in politics and not be able to
33:38
Speaker 14: remember what you've done. I think that was just a
33:41
Speaker 14: sham inquiry in reality, and as far as the health
33:44
Speaker 14: system goes, with the debt the government here in Victoria has,
33:47
Speaker 14: they're cutting funding to health and as a regional MP,
33:51
Speaker 14: we are staring down the barrel of huge cuts in
33:53
Speaker 14: regional health where people will have to drive for two
33:56
Speaker 14: hours to get health services in the future because they're
33:58
Speaker 14: going to merge hospitals, cut services in regional Victoria, or
34:03
Speaker 14: because they haven't managed the economy well and they just
34:05
Speaker 14: cannot manage money. And they certainly haven't been able to
34:08
Speaker 14: manage the major projects in here in Victoria that are
34:10
Speaker 14: blown out by something like forty billion dollars. That is
34:14
Speaker 14: enough to spend every a million dollars on every kilometer
34:17
Speaker 14: of highway and Victoria and still have seventeen billion dollars
34:21
Speaker 14: left over to fix the health mess.
34:24
Speaker 1: Something really smells about this.
34:25
Speaker 2: I mean, Jeff Kennet made the point that he waited,
34:27
Speaker 2: I think four or five years after leaving office as
34:31
Speaker 2: a premier who you'd have to made Victoria a better
34:34
Speaker 2: place than when he took over. I mean, you only
34:36
Speaker 2: have to be as old as you and me pleader
34:38
Speaker 2: to remember what it was like under Joan Kerner. So
34:41
Speaker 2: he made the state better and still had to wait
34:43
Speaker 2: four or five years. Andrews has made the state clearly
34:46
Speaker 2: a worse place to live, and it happens within months.
34:50
Speaker 2: Do we have any clue as to whom and who
34:53
Speaker 2: actually nominated him?
34:56
Speaker 14: Well, no you don't, and with all those awards, you
34:59
Speaker 14: never know who nominated to someone. But as I said before,
35:02
Speaker 14: it normally takes three to four years to work through
35:05
Speaker 14: the process from a nomination to the scrutiny to the
35:09
Speaker 14: checking of referees for an award to actually be finally given.
35:13
Speaker 14: This has done an under twelve months since the premier left.
35:15
Speaker 14: It just smacks of political intervention in what it is
35:18
Speaker 14: supposed to be a fair process. I don't think it
35:21
Speaker 14: was fair at all, and I think the fact that
35:23
Speaker 14: there is so many people aggrieved since we launched this petition,
35:28
Speaker 14: there's over nearly eight thousand signatures already and it's only
35:32
Speaker 14: just started to get going. The more signatures we can get,
35:35
Speaker 14: they will go to the Governor General with a covering
35:38
Speaker 14: letter from myself asking him to review the decision then
35:41
Speaker 14: withdraw it.
35:43
Speaker 1: I'd urge our audience to sign it.
35:45
Speaker 2: The opposition leader John Persudo was asked about the petition today.
35:48
Speaker 1: Here's what he had said.
35:51
Speaker 15: I generally don't sign petitions. That's been my practice over
35:53
Speaker 15: many years as an MP and someone involved in public life.
35:57
Speaker 15: I generally don't sign them. But Peter is totally justified
36:01
Speaker 15: in wanting to pursue this on behalf of his constituents
36:04
Speaker 15: generally sign No. I won't be signing the petition, but
36:07
Speaker 15: I don't generally.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he sign it?
36:13
Speaker 14: Well, I haven't spoken to him about Steve, but I
36:15
Speaker 14: will be loving John to make sure that he does
36:17
Speaker 14: sign it. I think every Victorian that feels aggrieved about
36:21
Speaker 14: this award, and particularly is just aggrieved by the way
36:25
Speaker 14: the state is at the moment, with the record debt,
36:28
Speaker 14: the challenges that we have with blowout in major projects,
36:31
Speaker 14: the challenges we're going to have in our health system
36:33
Speaker 14: with the way they're going to slash and burn our
36:35
Speaker 14: health system, particularly in regional Victoria. I'll be urging John
36:38
Speaker 14: to reconsider and actually sign this petition or my National
36:42
Speaker 14: Party colleagues will most definitely signing the petition. I've been
36:46
Speaker 14: inundated at our office in the TUK has been inundated
36:49
Speaker 14: with people making calls as to how they actually go
36:51
Speaker 14: about signing it. And when we get all those signatures,
36:54
Speaker 14: as I said, we'll send it off to the Government
36:56
Speaker 14: General with a covering letter saying please, can you re
37:00
Speaker 14: examined this decision and wouldn't be asking him to actually
37:02
Speaker 14: withdraw this on it that the Premier had bestowed on him.
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Speaker 1: Peter Welsh, thanks for that.
37:08
Speaker 2: I'll be signing that petition tomorrow, I've got to say,
37:11
Speaker 2: and I won't ask Peter to comment on this, but seriously,
37:13
Speaker 2: John Persudo is completely out of touch if he doesn't
37:16
Speaker 2: think he should be signing that. Still to come, we'll
37:18
Speaker 2: get into the nuclear debate again and see if the
37:20
Speaker 2: regions of Australia really are as the federal government tries
37:24
Speaker 2: to tell us against a nuclear power station in their backyard. Plus,
37:29
Speaker 2: you won't believe how much the families of our champion
37:32
Speaker 2: athletes are Olympians, our world record holding swimmers even are
37:36
Speaker 2: being price gouged just to go to Paris. I reveal
37:39
Speaker 2: that shortly welcome back ho get our panel up in
37:46
Speaker 2: just one moment, just on going back on that liberal
37:49
Speaker 2: leader of Victoria John Persudo failing to or refusing to
37:53
Speaker 2: sign a petition that is organized by the National Party.
37:57
Speaker 1: His National Party colleague.
37:58
Speaker 2: They're in coalition to strip Daniel Andrews of his King's
38:02
Speaker 2: Birthday honor, the highest honor in the country. John pursuita
38:06
Speaker 2: has no political radar whatsoever. He doesn't hear what the
38:12
Speaker 2: people who he wants to vote for him are actually thinking.
38:16
Speaker 2: I mean, ninety six percent of people reacted to a
38:18
Speaker 2: poll and the Herald son and said they don't think
38:20
Speaker 2: Daniel andrew should have got that award. Pieces written by
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Speaker 2: the former Premier Jeff Kennett and myself at the weekend
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Speaker 2: had upwards of eight hundred comments, which is a huge number.
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Speaker 2: John Pisudo is deaf. I mean, he's got no clue.
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Speaker 2: What would be the think about this for a second,
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Speaker 2: what would be the problem for him signing it?
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Speaker 1: What problem could that cause?
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in our panel, Pauline Hansen's One Nation chief
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Speaker 2: of Staff James Ashby and Spectator Australia columnist Terry Barnes. Gents,
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Speaker 2: welcome to you both. Can I ask you both just briefly, James,
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Speaker 2: does John Persudo know who he's trying to get to
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Speaker 2: vote for him?
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Speaker 1: I mean that's crazy.
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Speaker 16: Nope, And this is why the Liberal Party continue to
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Speaker 16: lose election after election in what should be winnable elections
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Speaker 16: in Victoria.
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Speaker 9: It's a basket case down there.
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Speaker 16: The blokes should have signed that petition, no questions asked.
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Speaker 16: The Nationals have got the finger on the pulse in
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Speaker 16: this case.
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Speaker 1: Terry crazy well, absolutely.
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Speaker 7: I wrote a piece of this with the UK Spectator
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Speaker 7: which was republished in the US. I mean there's a
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Speaker 7: lot of international interest in this because they can't believe
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Speaker 7: that somebody who created such chaos in the COVID time
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Speaker 7: as getting this on it. I think mister Pizto really
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Speaker 7: needs to think again.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think the bloke's hopeless, to be honest. But anyway,
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Speaker 2: I'll get onto that on my program tomorrow night. Now
39:46
Speaker 2: we've got speculation continuing to grow about these locations or not.
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Speaker 2: For the coalition's nuclear plants, They've not confirmed anywhere yet.
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Speaker 2: Locals in the New South Wales town of Lithgow, which
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Speaker 2: has a rich mining history, they were on two GB
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Speaker 2: today and they were asked by Ben Forden, the presenter,
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Speaker 2: if there were to be a nuclear reactor in Lithgo,
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Speaker 2: what would they think.
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Speaker 1: Here's what the reaction was. But if they say that's
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Speaker 1: coming to Lithgo, you'll vote for it?
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Speaker 3: Well I would vote for it. And I think increasingly
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Speaker 3: I'm hearing the disillusion that people have in this go
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Speaker 3: with renewal.
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Speaker 1: With Peter, do you want the nuclear power plant?
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Speaker 17: Absolutely? Ben couldn't think of anything better. I'm currently looking
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Speaker 17: over Pearson's Lookout in the KPD Valley right now. It's
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Speaker 17: a truly amazing place and it needs more employment. Why
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Speaker 17: should liftgo not power Australia. We must have nuclear.
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Speaker 5: This area is just magnificent, but it's dying.
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Speaker 2: Well, James, there's the talkback audience. I mean, whether it's
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Speaker 2: reflective of the entire community, we wouldn't know. But I
40:52
Speaker 2: think the Coalition are onder something with nuclear and I
40:55
Speaker 2: also think that the Federal government underestimates the Australian our
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Speaker 2: hunger for reliable energy and if nuclear can provide it,
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Speaker 2: and you can stick one in former mining communities like Lithgo,
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Speaker 2: why wouldn't you do that?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly right.
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Speaker 16: Peter Dutton is right to start the debate, even if
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Speaker 16: it is just on the floor of Parliament. I think
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Speaker 16: the community need to have this discussion as well. I'm
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Speaker 16: in central Queensland where I live. We've got a coal
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Speaker 16: fire POWERstation. They're probably the youngest and probably the last
41:29
Speaker 16: one that's due to be retired at stan Well here
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Speaker 16: in Queensland. But no one has actually heard from Michelle Landry,
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Speaker 16: who is a local member for Capricornia, as to whether
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Speaker 16: she supports Peter Dutton's plan. So unless we hear that
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Speaker 16: the full coalition are on board, we do need to
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Speaker 16: have a look at those locations which we've got coal
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Speaker 16: fire power stations already that Peter Dutton is proposing we
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Speaker 16: put the nuclear power plants.
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Speaker 9: They are a hell of a lot safer these days than.
41:54
Speaker 16: What they were, you know, I know we've heard of
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Speaker 16: terrible cases in other countries, but we're talking about old
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Speaker 16: nuclear technology which has caused problems for the likes of
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Speaker 16: Japan and over in Russia and other parts of the world.
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Speaker 16: But look, honestly, we've got new technology. There must be
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Speaker 16: a discussion with the public. The scare campaigns. Look, you
42:17
Speaker 16: can treat them with scare campaigns all you like, as
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Speaker 16: labor are trying to do. But sixty percent of this
42:24
Speaker 16: running population are at least warm to the idea of
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Speaker 16: a discussion. And I think that Peter Dutton is on
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Speaker 16: the right path. One nation will certainly support Peter Dutton
42:33
Speaker 16: if he's to become Prime Minister on that discussion with nuclear.
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Speaker 1: Terry.
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Speaker 2: It was the cold stay in Melbourne today for five years.
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Speaker 2: I had to look on an app this morning at
42:45
Speaker 2: eleven am and at eleven am, ninety eight percent of
42:50
Speaker 2: electricity in Victoria was being generated by either coal, gas
42:55
Speaker 2: or a little bit of hydro. The sun was producing
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Speaker 2: one percent, the wind percent, so two percent in total.
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Speaker 2: And yet the federal government would have us believe that
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Speaker 2: within six and a half five and a half years
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Speaker 2: we're going to have eighty five percent of our energy
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Speaker 2: produced by renewables. It's not going to happen, is it.
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Speaker 7: I believe that when I see it stupid and really
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Speaker 7: I think James is right. I think Peter Dutton is
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Speaker 7: on the button when it comes to spooking nuclear as
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Speaker 7: part of an energy mix. Look and I grew up
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Speaker 7: in Sydney, southerland Shire, within sight of the Lucas Heights
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Speaker 7: nuclear reactor there, and look, I think nuclear power can
43:35
Speaker 7: be safe. It is safe and it should be part
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Speaker 7: of the mix. But to rely on renewables that are
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Speaker 7: unreliable in whether like we're happy in Melbourne today and
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Speaker 7: I've been preezing my bum off.
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Speaker 9: Just like you.
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Speaker 7: To the point we can't rely on the unreliable.
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Speaker 1: James.
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Speaker 2: South Australian Premier Peter Malanaskus has tossed political donations into
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Speaker 2: the debate today. He plans to ban political donations in
44:03
Speaker 2: a bid to quote take that money out of politics.
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Speaker 2: Here's Melanascus and how he describes it.
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Speaker 18: Our elections should be determined by the quality of candidates,
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Speaker 18: the power of one's ideas. It shouldn't be about money.
44:15
Speaker 18: So if we can level the playing field to ensure
44:18
Speaker 18: that all participants in the political process have access to
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Speaker 18: an appropriate degree of funding relative to their level of
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Speaker 18: support within the community, then we diminish the likelihood that
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Speaker 18: a campaign war chest size informs the outcome.
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Speaker 2: James, I don't know if he's having a whack at
44:35
Speaker 2: the tills or who he's trying to have a whack
44:39
Speaker 2: at here. You know so much about how difficult it
44:43
Speaker 2: is to raise funds for a political campaign. I hope
44:47
Speaker 2: Malanoskus is including the union movement in that when he
44:50
Speaker 2: says he's going to ban political donations.
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Speaker 10: Is he?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, precisely.
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Speaker 16: I was going to say, the only winner is out
44:56
Speaker 16: of this decision that Melanochus has actually raised. He is
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Speaker 16: the Labor Party because we talk about these third party
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Speaker 16: groups that get out there and run campaigns during election cycles,
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Speaker 16: and it's largely.
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Speaker 9: The Union movement.
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Speaker 16: So if we're going to talk about banning political donations,
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Speaker 16: we've also got to talk about the fact that the
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Speaker 16: unions must be prohibited from playing a part in future
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Speaker 16: elections now here in Queensland or federally. I sit on
45:24
Speaker 16: the Executive of one Nation in Queensland, and federally, I
45:28
Speaker 16: know it costs US federally over a million dollars a
45:30
Speaker 16: year just to remain compliant with the Electoral Act. That's federally,
45:35
Speaker 16: so that's staff, that's an office that's making sure we're
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Speaker 16: across the entire act as a total. Now, unless you're
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Speaker 16: raising money for a political party, and let's not forget
45:44
Speaker 16: every political party in this country as an ABN so
45:47
Speaker 16: you might as well just treat them as a business.
45:49
Speaker 16: You've got to make sure that they stay afloat and compliant. Now,
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Speaker 16: unless the state government is prepared to chip in all
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Speaker 16: this money and at the moment I think they get
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Speaker 16: about three bucks per vote in South Australia, Malanucus is
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Speaker 16: probably suggesting that rate's got to go up because there
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Speaker 16: is a contingent of money that has to be put aside.
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Speaker 16: It doesn't matter whether you're a state or a federal
46:16
Speaker 16: political party. You've got to be able to run them
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Speaker 16: effectively and compliantly as one nation do as most of
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Speaker 16: the political parties do in this country.
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Speaker 9: So this is going to be a debate to watch.
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Speaker 16: But I don't think they're going to get political donations
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Speaker 16: out of the way anytime too soon.
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Speaker 2: One of the people, some of the people we ought
46:35
Speaker 2: to be raising funds for the parents of our olympians.
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Speaker 2: Now I've been watching the swimming trials on nine are
46:42
Speaker 2: only Tipmus last night broke the world record. They goal
46:44
Speaker 2: that came second, broke the world record. Just we've got
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Speaker 2: an extraordinary swimming team and a big Olympic team, the
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Speaker 2: biggest ever. But parents are being expected to have to
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Speaker 2: pay up to her tip missus parents twenty thousand dollars
46:57
Speaker 2: on tickets to actually watch her swim. Now, Terry, I
47:01
Speaker 2: don't understand this. Surely family members, at least two mum
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Speaker 2: and dad should get free tickets to the Games. I mean,
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Speaker 2: in two thousand I was working in media at the
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Speaker 2: Sydney Games. I got free tickets to do everything. Why
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Speaker 2: would the parents have to pay?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think there needs a bit of a common
47:20
Speaker 7: sense in this, Steve. I don't think everybody should go
47:24
Speaker 7: to preebeat, but certainly I think parents of competitors, parents
47:27
Speaker 7: of athletes have a special case here, and they are
47:31
Speaker 7: the biggest supporters, not just showing up to the events,
47:35
Speaker 7: to the competition, but you know, they're the ones who
47:37
Speaker 7: drive the kids to swimming pools at four o'clock in
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Speaker 7: the morning and they actually do all the hard yards
47:43
Speaker 7: to make sure that their kid can be in success.
47:44
Speaker 7: So I think they're entitled to share and that success reasonably.
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Speaker 7: And I think it's up to well swimming Australia in
47:50
Speaker 7: this case, but also the Australian Olympic Committee and I
47:52
Speaker 7: think the International Olympic Committee to actually ensure that parents
47:57
Speaker 7: and close family members can participate in the Olympics themselves
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Speaker 7: by being there at a reasonable cost.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you one hundred percent. James and Terry,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much, particularly James out there in the
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Speaker 2: cold and Terry on the colder stain in Melbourne for
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Speaker 2: the last five years.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me tonight and I'll be back of
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Speaker 2: course tomorrow night, normal program at six o'clock. Thank you
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Speaker 2: for your company. Tonight Andrew Bolt with James McPherson is
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Speaker 2: up next. I'll see you tomorrow night at six