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10 - Hot Dogs & Hummus By The Fridge Light On The Road To WrestleMania! · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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Hello, welcome to Singlets and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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podcast. I'm your host, Pete.
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And I'm Luke. Evening.
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Even Luke, Are you ready to talk some wrestling?
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Always. I'm very excited.
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We're just talking a bit of might there.
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That's been an action-packed week.
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WrestleMania is around the corner.
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There's lots of stuff to dive into as well as all the
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features. So yeah, ready, ready, ready.
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It has indeed, and we are of course, ready to talk about the
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past week in professional wrestling before we dive into a
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little bit of sports entertainment nostalgia.
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But before we dive into our first official segment, let's do
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the housekeeping. Luke, Are you ready to keep the
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house clean? I am, yeah.
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I've got some as well. I've got some feedback as well
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from some from from a listener. Awesome.
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Well, we're going to dive straight in, so, and we've tried
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to renew this week as well with the feedback, so I'll let you
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know about that. So first up, this is
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housekeeping. So this is where we deal with
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listener questions or thoughts. The best way to do this is if
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you listen on Spotify, you can just comment on this episode
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you're listening to and we pick it up for the following week.
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And then we are also doing Instagram Stories where you can
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leave our questions in there. And we've got a few of those
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this week. That's the first time we've
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tried that and we've had a few replies, which is pretty cool.
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To the modern world, isn't it? That's what you've got to do.
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Very modern. It's all about this getting the
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people they click, getting the people they like.
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And what's it called? Smash or follow whatever it's
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called for, all that stuff. What a gang.
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So the season it what up gang? Hi guys, let's get this clip
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viral. Yes, indeed.
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But we've got a good old fashioned pool to go over.
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So this was a pool that we put on our episode on Spotify and
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the pool was which Mania match are you looking forward to the
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most? We had four options.
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We had Punk versus Roman, Cody versus Orton, Drew versus Fatou
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and Dom versus Finn and nobody voted for Drew, in fact, who
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believe it or not. And then the other three were
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withdraw 33% each for Pumpkin, Roman, Cody and Orton and
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Diamond Finn. Do you think that follows the
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sentiment you're seeing online, Luke?
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I think for me, it's I'm kind of torn between Orton and Cody and
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Punk and Roman. And then I probably would maybe
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he's put Bala and Dom in 3rd. And we've talked about if we've
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got time, we might do a little extra show for people where what
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kind of rank will matches in order of anticipation.
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But yeah, I think that's pretty fair to be honest.
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I think after this week's row as well, which I'll definitely get
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into, I think the Dom and Bala feuds exactly where it needs to
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be now. And I think that, yeah, I think
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that's probably is kind of what I've seen out there, what people
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are most looking forward to. And I think the stuff we're
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going to talk about this week's only added to that.
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There is indeed. We've had a question from Lou on
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Spotify. Lou was saying, have you guys
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noticed the Club WWE images being shown multiple times
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throughout the Raw and Smackdown broadcasts?
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What could it mean? Luke?
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Do you know what it means? I don't, but then knowing the
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way things are going at the moment, Tokyo, I think it's
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going to be some kind of high end buy in where there's going
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to be tears. Not a subscription service, but
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something silly. Well, you're not, you're not all
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wrong. So I, I did not know.
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Well, I have did a bit of research because obviously
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hadn't seen that question ahead of time.
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So according to the Internet, so that's.
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Always. You're not right, but.
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You're on the right track. So again, the internet's not
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always right, but what I've found is that as of April 2026,
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Club WWE appears to be a newly trademarked upcoming Official
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Membership program or fan club from WWE featuring featuring
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exclusive benefits. So yes, the registered this
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stuff on March 27th. Apparently the service is
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expected of our discounts, special event perks and retail
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promotional offers for subscribers.
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And yeah, we'll see what happens.
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Obviously, this is not to be confused with The Club, also
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known as The OC, which was of course a wrestling faction
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featuring AJ Styles, Carl Anderson and Luke Gallows, which
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obviously operated from 2016 to 2024.
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No, it's not that, but it is a potential loyalty programme for
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WWE fans. Yeah, I mean, I'm a for a
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subscription. I think at this moment in time
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I've got a coffee subscription, a horror book subscription, as
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well as a couple of podcasts that I kind of Patreon too.
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So I mean, this takes a lot of boxes for me.
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But if it is just what you've said there, you know, kind of
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discounts on T-shirts and access to early tickets doesn't then on
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ticks and boxes is them. Early tickets are very expensive
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and T-shirts are T-shirts and fanatics these days.
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So yeah, I'll be interested to see, but I'm 5050 at the moment
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until I know more, whether or not they're getting my money, if
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it is that type of thing. But what if it takes away that
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expensive postage cost for Dan Housing T-shirts?
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Oh, well, that'll be worth it then.
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I would, I would, I would in a heartbeat to quote Edge.
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I'd be slight enough for that. And if you included like a book
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and Simone coffee, I could maybe cancel the book and coffee
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subscription, just have it all from WWE so that there is there
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is a market there. No, the certainly is not.
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This is oldest on the Internet and it's sort of guesswork, but
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there's got to say that the initiative aims to provide
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subscribers with perks similar to a loyalty program, such as
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discount on tickets and merchandising, which may be
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accessible via a dedicated site or app.
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So maybe it's the network 2 point O, we don't know.
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Well, this that ties in a question I would ask you
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actually, I was going to tie into kind of when we talk about
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negatives, but what do you think about fans being able to kind of
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buy the name in the ring for WrestleMania?
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What your thoughts on that? The what?
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Sorry. So you know how obviously the
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ring now is like a prime fucking sponsorship, That type of thing.
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You can pay You can pay an amount of money to have your
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name written on the canvas for WrestleMania.
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Oh, that seems like there's going to be some idiots who have
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too much money who end up paying for that.
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Yeah. The same type of people who buy
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like a John Moxie LA jacket from W shop.
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Do you know what I mean? Yeah, because I know obviously I
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think Sunderland and Newcastle have both done it where you
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could buy a brick and your name's on the stadium, which I
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think that's something that you can physically go and see and
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it's kind of part of literally the building.
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And that's I think that's pretty cool.
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But yeah, I don't like it. May it just seems like another
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TQ or cash cow, which I'm sure will come on to with some of the
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things that have happened this week on Rowan Smackdown.
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But yeah, I'm not a fan of it. I didn't.
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I was kind of indifferent to kind of sponsorship in the ring
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because it does kind of make it look more legit as a sporting
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event and it's kind of that is the world that we live in now.
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It's all sponsorship and extra money.
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But yeah, I think getting fans to pay to have the name kind of
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essentially stenciled into the ring master, I didn't think it
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was a very good thing. So how many names are available?
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How much is it? I'm not too sure, but I think
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it's started something like $8000.
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So that's very expensive and for that you probably want to be
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pretty big, but if it's going to be a tiny name where you can't
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hardly see it. But I mean, one thing as well,
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which we're getting, obviously we're talking about sponsorship
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and in the ring, and obviously something Vince never did
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because he didn't want to take sort of people's attention away
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from the action is what he always said.
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Obviously, it does generate money for the company, like
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quite easily, which is good. By generating that cash for that
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revenue, it should allow you to maybe charge cheaper money for
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tickets and cheaper money for T-shirts because you're making
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revenue elsewhere. But TQ haven't done that.
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They've just increased revenues across everything, right?
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So they haven't actually used that advertising money to make
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it easier on the fans. No, 100% and that's the thing.
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I I mean, obviously we were talking about hopefully getting
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some shows in together this year and I noticed on the kind of UK
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to about doing in the summer before they do the pair of unit
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leader in London for raw. So I looked at that a night like
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raw tickets and like the Nosebleed seats are 292 quid.
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Like you factor in a trip for us to London, like it's just not
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it's not do it. Like, do I mean like we could do
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it, but like I've just got a lot of other things I could spend
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that money on. Because you're probably talking
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about £600 for tickets. It's a credit card purchase
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isn't it? Like and pay it back there.
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Yeah. For the working class, for the
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working class, that's the situation.
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It's up. It's a credit card purchase to
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pay back later. If you are working class that's
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that situation. 100% and it's and it is pricing people out
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like obviously we'll go like it and it's it's not, it's not
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fair. Like we know we've been going to
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those shows since we were kids. And I say, well, I've talked
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about a kind of our first one I went to, which was insurrection.
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And I think like the were the cheapest seats, but like, I
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think there were £20 and I think front row used to be about 100
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and that was technically a pay-per-view.
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Do you know what I mean? And I know that's, you know, 20
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years ago or whatever, but it's just the inflation on it just
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doesn't add up. And I think it, I think it has
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hit a point where I think it's now going to be looked at And I
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hope it does then go back down because I just think like
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anywhere decent, anywhere close to decent seats for that raw
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table in June you will open about £400 with the ringside and
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aisle seats being 700. Yeah, for a Monday night row,
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not even a pay-per-view. No, it is.
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It's pretty. It's pretty wild.
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We have had so wells are usually messages on Spotify has not this
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week, but I have been told it was his birthday and he was the
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big 40 this week. So happy birthday listener
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Wells, we've missed your questions this week.
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We're excited to get your next questions next time.
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But we hope you've had a great birthday.
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We hope we've had loads of tasty treats, some big eats.
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We hope you've watched some cool wrestling and yeah, happy
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birthday, big man. Yeah, happy birthday, bro.
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Moving on to Instagram. So essentially I put a story up
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where you can have people like leave questions and it just
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sends them sort of into the app for us to read.
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So we have got a message from Jord.
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Jord says. When was the last time a proper
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gimmick character characters got over big time.
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So I was thinking about this and I thought, you know, obviously
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Dan Housen's a gimmick and he's over quite big.
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But if you go past that, are we talking a gimmick?
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Who? And he hasn't, obviously you
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only write so much in these boxes, right?
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So he kind of George can't write loads.
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But I was thinking the the last actual gimmick gimmick that got
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over that was sort of in the mainstreaming was in the main
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event. And my mind went straight into
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the Spirit Squad. Obviously they work the main
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events against Vince and Shane and DX.
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Like, there's no bigger storyline than that, right?
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No, definitely. And that's, you know, it's more
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of an obscure one that you wouldn't necessarily go to, but
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100% because like you say, there were wrestling and sell matches
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with like, you know, Vince, Shane, DX, Dolph Ziggler was in
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it, do you know what I mean? So it was his start in the
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company as well. So yeah, it's a pretty big run.
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But then I mean, get over like does.
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So do you think the definition of that would have to be that a
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gimmick that got over like in a main event scene then, or could
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it be kind of smaller? Because what my mind jumped to
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kind of in the last year, which, you know, was no main events
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only made one appearance on Raw, but he did in the Rumble kind of
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Mr. Iguana. That kind of came out of
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nowhere, this kind of obscure Mexican act.
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And then the next thing you know, it's like WWE Euro Shop
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was selling Mr. Iguana puppets T-shirts and you get all they've
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got. People like JBL and bigger names
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in the industry kind of putting them over massively online.
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So it's kind of, I don't know what the level is, but my mind
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kind of jumped to Mr. Iguana there.
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But as kind of a main event running spirit squads, an
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excellent show. Yeah, I think obviously the
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question is pretty vague. So that's that's a, that's a
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huge shout. I think I was thinking more of
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like, like I thought WWE has created itself like organically
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and then like then have hit the big time where obviously Mr.
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Guada was already doing his thing in AAA before we bought
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the product. Would be my only sort of counter
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reaction board. Mr. Guada is huge.
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He's at the Rumble. I think whenever he's on WWE
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television, people want more of them.
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And I think we're just at the beginning of Mr. Iguana's
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journey in WWE and out here. He's just got an action figure
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soon, so. Yeah, you've got to do that.
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Yep, so great shout on that as well.
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Kit Wilson could be in there at the minute because I think he's
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about to have a match at WrestleMania.
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And I think if you look six months ago, the kind of one of
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the guys from Pretty Deadly whose partner got injured, would
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he be getting any TV time? You'd think probably not.
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And I think he's probably set for definitely some involvement,
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if not a match in WrestleMania. And that one hasn't fizzled out
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yet. So like Kit Wilson could be a
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more modern show as well. Indeed.
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The next question is from Starby.
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So Starby, this is going to be a reference throughout the show.
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There's a couple of other questions about this in
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housekeeping, and I imagine it'll form a big part of our
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week in review as well. But Starby says with the WWE now
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making the ticket pricing a work, what does this mean for
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the future? So basically because they've
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referenced that take you or charge you more money for
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tickets as pricing fans out, and they've now made that a
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wrestling storyline even though it's real as well.
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So they've essentially made the work out of their own pricing
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issue. Like what does that mean for the
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future of the business? And it's a great question.
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I just don't know. Like my mind is like nearly
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broken by the fact they've done it.
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Like it's a bit like, where does it go from Yahoo knows?
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It's like, like the joke in me, like the funny side of me says,
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is there a Survivor Series match with Team Cody versus Team
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Tokyo? And if Cody wins, the ticket
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price has come down. Yeah, I think.
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I mean, exactly. So how crazy it's going to get?
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Yeah, I think to an extent, I don't think it'll be a match for
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the tickets, but I think with them starting to reference in it
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now, I think there's there's definitely something in the
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works. And I think you've kind of hit
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the nail on the head there. I do think this is going to lead
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to some kind of Team Tokyo versus Team WWE, which could be
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good. But like if I had to put money
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on it now, whether it would be bad or good, I think it's going
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to be bad because I think you kind of it's, it's too much kind
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of pulling the curtain back and what does it mean for ticket
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price? And I think they are going to
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have to rethink it. And if it comes down, I think
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it'll only be a slight kind of come down because you can make
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so many justifications now that it's, you know, well, it's not
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just us. Because I think I was reading
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like when Harry Styles latest where I went on sale, I think a
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decent ticket for that was £400 and all these kind of like, so
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it's not just in WWE where this is happening.
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Look at the club head, not the club, the actual World Cup.
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Like I think those tickets prices are insane.
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Like there's people trying to sell one for the Scotland,
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Brazil game for £1,000,000. I think he was being silly.
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But like you're talking thousands of pounds.
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Like there's some England superfan says he's got to sell
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his house so he can go to the World Cup this year.
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So I think there's enough justification for them to keep
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it at a certain point and anything will take off, it'll be
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a talking gesture. Absolutely right.
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And it's going to be very interesting to see where that
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goes. We've had a message from Adam,
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Adam says thoughts on whether the business is prioritising
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ticket sales and commerciality over entertainment.
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So I think what he's saying is that obviously, and we haven't
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got into it yet, but obviously, you know, we've had them
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announce Finn Balor as the Demon without really doing anything on
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television. Rey Mysterio's back all of a
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sudden for a lot of match, which we're going to talk about later
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on as well. You know, the sort of looking to
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do these things to truly try and increase ticket prices, increase
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ticket sales. Sorry.
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Rather than like letting it be like a natural surprise, like
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imagine that Pope Finnbad has come out as the Demon and we
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didn't know that ahead of time. Like you want WrestleMania when
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the Hardys came out, right? I was, yeah.
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So like talk talk us through how that was awesome because you
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didn't know what's going to. Happen Well, yeah, it was it was
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like you heard a couple of rumours, but then they'd wrestle
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the night before. So then like when the new day
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come out and it was like, oh, maybe the new day are going to
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put themselves in the match, but then the right there's another
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team. It was like it was palpable,
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like you could see everyone go fuck, it's the Hardys.
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It's actually going to fucking happen.
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And then that classic music hit and like the place just
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absolutely erupted. Like I remember one of my mates
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like that obviously was up drinking watching WrestleMania
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and like just messages go like cunt.
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Can't believe you were there for that, that that's that's unreal.
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It's like it was, it's probably like the best like live moment
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I've ever been there for. And I've been to record manias
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and paper views and stuff. But yeah.
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And it was it was that element of surprise hit mixed within a
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soldier that were like. And you've seen Robbie Williams
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live as well, so it's even better than that.
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It was even, yeah, it probably was, you know, as a live moment
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because again, you know, with Robbie, I knew what was getting.
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Still didn't mean it wasn't amazing.
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But no, it was probably, it's probably just past seeing Robbie
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Williams live. There we go.
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That's a big thing for you to admit that.
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A big thing. So yeah, so what's your thoughts
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on obviously like, so we're getting the demon from bar.
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We know that now. So we're not going to pop when
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he comes out because we already know about it.
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I think it's something that's been slowly happening for a
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while where the kind of like spoil things in advance, where
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like I think it's so hard now to kind of keep things secret that
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the kind of act out in like ahead to try and almost get one
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up on people knowing things. I don't think it's necessarily
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because of the ticket sales. I mean, would the fact that it's
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going to be demon ball as opposed to normal Finn ballast
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shift that many extra tickets? Like I'm I'm a big Finn Balor
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fan. I want to talk about it my
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positives, but Nah, I don't think the reveals or anything to
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do with the ticket price. And I think it's more to do that
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just you live in a world where that like, unless you just you
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put your phone in the drawer, things are spoiled for you and
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you see things and people text you.
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Like I had to like stop listening to a wrestling, like
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unsubscribe from a wrestling podcast that I quite liked
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because they were in America that record straight after a
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pay-per-view. And sometimes I'd wake up where,
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like, the podcast title was a spoiler from the pay-per-view,
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and it was like 6 in the morning here, and I'd had like a spoiler
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already. Yeah, it's not good, but I like
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the likes of RE Mysterio. Obviously, the renouncement for
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this line. I'm going to talk about it in my
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week in review. But we'll get, we'll do it in
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the week in review because it's in, it's in my negative as well.
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I don't know if it's your negative, but a negative for me.
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It is as well also on the same page there, brother.
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And then Michael. Michael's got in touch with Say.
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Do you think Pat Mcafee's reputation with the fans has
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been tarnished? Not in relation to obviously,
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what he was seeing on Smackdown on Friday.
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No, I don't think it's tarnished because I think he was quite a
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polarizing person anyways. So I think that it's it's, you
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know, it's a character, isn't it?
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And I think that people will just kind of hate it or like it.
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But I think he's a funny one part McAfee, because someone
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asked me like, I don't know who he is.
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Like someone who's like a vague watcher of wrestling.
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Like, I don't get it. Like who is he?
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And like I made me think like I described him to the person who
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asked that is like a jock. Gary Linick out of Americans,
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that was that good description. Like how would like how would
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you describe Pat, that Pat Mccafee as someone who didn't
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know who he was? Yeah, I think, yeah, I think
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that's pretty, pretty good. I think, you know, he was a
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really good kick on the NFL, but kickers in the NFL aren't the
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stars, right? They're not the stars at all.
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But he was, he was one of the best to do it.
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He played for my team in the Atlas Colts, who who I support.
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So, you know, I'm familiar with part in his, in his kicking
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ability. Obviously he's went on to
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become, you know, start his own like not YouTube, but I think he
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did originate there. But you know, he's a he's a
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broadcaster in US now deals like all different times of sports.
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He's quite funny entertainment. He just naturally is.
18:55
He loves wrestling. So obviously he's became a
18:58
commentator for Dewey. He's done a few different bits
19:01
there. And then obviously it looks like
19:04
this Ari Emmanuel's got a hard on for him.
19:06
You know, the rumours in the past few weeks have been saying
19:08
that, you know, he wants to make in the next semester salon and
19:10
put him in movies and stuff. And then here he is inserted
19:13
into this this storyline. You know, I think I don't
19:17
necessarily think him mean on smackdown tonnes's reputation.
19:19
I think it was a case of like, oh, like what's going to happen?
19:21
But then the reaction since and how it's turned in this whole
19:24
he's TQ was man, it's still be doing against that.
19:28
Maybe it does tarnish his reputation a bit as like his KFC
19:32
reputation, if you know what I mean, like his character
19:34
reputation, because even Michael Coleg wasn't singing his
19:36
praises, but like we need to see what's going to happen.
19:38
But like, that wasn't the Pat McAfee I remember as what he was
19:41
almost said on Raw. I think so.
19:45
Very good thought. I think it will change as time
19:47
goes on depending on what Pat McAfee gets involved with and
19:50
does. I think my biggest issue we'll
19:54
talk about weekend review is that regardless if he's coming
19:57
in to sort of be the voice you take, you're fine.
19:59
But like this, the Cody Rhodes autumn thing is built on
20:02
history. It was already cooking to full
20:04
steam. It didn't need this, in my
20:05
opinion. And we'll get into that and
20:06
we'll get him to week in review. But yeah.
20:11
Very good question. And I think we've got one more
20:13
question from the Instagrams. This is from Big Gaz.
20:17
Big Gaz says who is the biggest mucklist of all time.
20:22
So I think Big Gaz is similar to me and you look where we do like
20:25
the big meaty beasts sometimes in pro wrestling, you know,
20:28
takes all different kinds of people to do it.
20:30
So the biggest mucklist of all time.
20:32
So when I think of biggest mucklist, the most jacked big
20:36
beasts, I think of Bobby Ashley, I think of Lesnar, I think of
20:42
obviously Andre was, you know, a literal giant, right?
20:44
So he's huge big. So was big.
20:46
But yeah. Who's your favorite, biggest and
20:50
mucklest professional wrestlers? Luke.
20:54
I think one that drums to my mind straight away is one of our
20:57
Cursed by the Wrestling Gods or Big Daddy V Viscera.
21:00
Like as a specimen, he was a fucking unit, wasn't he?
21:03
Especially like towards the end when the Hadam is Big Daddy V
21:06
with his top off. Like he was one big bastard,
21:09
wasn't he? And then I think if you're going
21:11
to go for legit, I think kind of Big Show might be one of the
21:13
most underrated wrestlers of all time, actually.
21:17
So I think I put this through in there is kind of just overall
21:19
appearance and kind of bit of a laugh.
21:22
But then, as kind of one of the greatest big men of all time, if
21:25
not the greatest, I think I'd go with Big Show.
21:28
Yeah, I think Big Show was on narrated because I think you
21:30
work across different areas and you'll forget that.
21:32
Like, you know, he worked with Hogan, he worked against the
21:34
NWO, he worked with the NWO. He then came to do, he worked
21:39
take Arcane, Triple H, Austin Rock worked all the legends.
21:43
He's worked Cena, right. Cena's first Mania one was
21:45
against Big Show. Yeah, I won the US title from
21:48
him. Yeah, 20 I think.
21:50
That he's worked Brock Reznor, he's worked Mark Henry, so big
21:53
shows definitely narrated. I want to give a shout out to
21:56
the ravishing Rick Rude. Well, he wasn't like a big, big
21:59
man, but he's his physique was just absolutely like a chiseled
22:03
Adonis. And I think we need to pick some
22:05
love to the ravishing one, Rick Rude.
22:08
Yeah, he was. He was.
22:09
I was. I was there for the Hall of Fame
22:11
for him. Obviously was he'd passed away.
22:12
But like, I bought my Rick Rude T-shirt.
22:14
I was a big fan of him. He's another guy who kind of
22:16
gets kind of underrated and forgotten about sometimes when
22:19
people talk about some of the kind of greatest of all time.
22:22
And I think he was up there and another one who unbelievable
22:25
that he never had AWE title run, but he didn't WCW, didn't he?
22:29
I believe he did, and of course he was.
22:32
I think he was one of three WE superstars to quit after the
22:36
Montreal screw job, but he was the only one who actually quit.
22:39
Quit like he didn't come back. Yeah, normally he did.
22:43
I was with the X as well, wasn't he?
22:45
So he was kind of on screen with them.
22:47
Yeah, he didn't really. He said.
22:49
He chose to quit over to support breath, which always goes down
22:52
well in my aspirations. Look, I think you had some
22:55
housekeeping yourself you wanted to go over.
22:57
Yeah, so a guy at work who like, I've never really sporting to
23:00
come up with me desk on Tuesday and give us a bottle of Sunny
23:03
Delight. Not an old one, a new one that's
23:06
still knocking about and said he was a big fan of the show and he
23:09
likes it when we talk about personal lives like Sunny
23:12
Delights. So there you go.
23:13
We need more personal information from us for him so
23:15
he can buy his more treats. Look likes TV's I heard.
23:21
Yeah, LA Nintendo Switch, two games, they're good.
23:24
They make us think of childhood and wrestling.
23:26
So that would be quite nice if there's one of those on me desk
23:28
next week. But yes, that was quite a nice
23:30
bit of feedback that he it's not just enjoying the wrestling
23:32
content, but enjoying what we're putting in there as well.
23:36
No, it's certainly is. It's it's nice to hear and you
23:37
know, Sunny Delight. I wonder if it's still full of
23:39
the same items it was back then. Maybe not because they were
23:42
going to walk now as a society. Maybe.
23:44
I did drink and it didn't taste as good, to be fair.
23:46
So yeah, I think, I think we've lost that one forever.
23:49
All the additives gone. It's I didn't realize because
23:51
someone asked to see that day that yeah, they're not sugar
23:53
puffs anymore, the honey puffs. And they've reduced the sugar
23:56
and increased the honey. Well, I'll see, I thought you
24:00
must see that. Took the word puff away from it
24:02
just to make a more walk but OK maybe.
24:04
That's where you might think I was going with a puff.
24:06
If you don't, in the dictionary, that is what sugar puff is.
24:08
It's a puff piece of rice. So it's just, it's grammatically
24:11
correct. It's not derogatory.
24:13
Go grammatically correct. You kind of change that.
24:18
I think that gets us ready for our first official segment of
24:21
the week. Luke, Are you ready for Week in
24:22
Review? I am definitely that's it's been
24:24
a packed week. Certainly has.
24:26
I'm going to start with my first positive, and my first positive
24:30
was the Punk promo from Monday Night Raw.
24:33
I thought this promo could potentially have been tricky and
24:37
it could have been a mess. Obviously, send Punk out there
24:41
to a build the feud of Roman, but also to then build this feud
24:45
with Tequi. All that started on Smackdown,
24:47
but no one knew that's what it was before.
24:49
Punk kept it on track. I thought his timing was great.
24:52
He'd give the fans time to chant for Roman.
24:54
He'd give the fans time to chant for whoever they wanted.
24:56
Then he delivered the lines. He had to deliver in true Punk
24:58
fashion. He was able to make it personal,
25:01
make it catchy, you know, make it out there.
25:04
He got in Roman and talk about Roman, which keeps keep staff
25:08
you alive going into WrestleMania.
25:09
And then he did then bring in the Ryder issues around Pat
25:12
McAfee, McAfee, as he called them, you know, talking about
25:15
Tokyo, he mentioned Ari Emmanuel, who's of course, like
25:18
the the CEO of of Tokyo group and you have the overall promo.
25:27
You know, I felt it could have been a mess, but he actually
25:29
delivered it in a way where it wasn't, and it kept sort of all
25:32
those things really interesting and it didn't take away from him
25:35
and Roman and Mania. I don't know.
25:37
I sit down as anything, Luke. Yeah, I've got it down as a
25:40
positive as well because like you say, I thought he'd come
25:42
out, he kind of hit all the points, but in the way that only
25:44
he can kind of, he is one of the greatest on the mic of all time.
25:48
And I thought the angle of Call and Roman and Netball Baby was
25:51
quite interesting. So I can't believe it hasn't
25:52
been done before. And I think it's quite an
25:54
interesting route to go down, especially saying that if it
25:56
wasn't for the fact that he was a netball baby is 8 WrestleMania
25:59
is where he failed to get an over other people would have got
26:01
fired. So I thought was a really
26:02
cutting line because I say how two of the WrestleMania as I
26:06
went to add Roman in the main event and the crowd did not want
26:08
that. So it's it's it's impressive to
26:11
see how far he's come and how over Roman now is.
26:13
But yeah, it was by no means an overnight success.
26:17
I think it's I think it's an interesting point.
26:19
What are the people have had as many chances?
26:21
Yeah, like, you know, people call Cody an apple baby, but
26:24
like, no one calls Roman. And he is right.
26:26
Yeah, no, 100%, yeah. I mean, it's the biggest
26:28
wrestling family there is other than the Mcmahons movies.
26:31
Like when you think of all the people that have come from it up
26:34
and down the card. No, indeed.
26:37
So yeah, I loved it. You obviously referenced the old
26:39
man events. You mentioned Vince, you know
26:42
you mentioned Ari Emanuel as the agent.
26:44
So those who don't know, Ari Manuel is who Ari Gold was based
26:47
after in the under our series. Oh, is he really?
26:50
I didn't know that. Yeah.
26:51
So obviously that was like decades ago, right?
26:53
Since then, he's now no longer like an agent.
26:55
He's now like a super global chairman of mega companies,
27:01
right. You know, he's sort of he's he's
27:03
he has became the system almost. So, you know, he has he has
27:07
became that. But yes, and for some reason he
27:11
has a hard on for Pat McAfee, which we heard is why he wants
27:14
Pat McAfee to be the next of us. That's Stallone.
27:16
That's why he's shoehorn and Pat McAfee into the next Sylvester
27:19
Stallone series to air on Paramount Plus.
27:23
And yeah, just yeah, Punk did a great job.
27:27
Keep the timing. Go and let the fans get their
27:29
bits in their shtick. You know, we didn't let them
27:31
derail it either. Deliver what you deliver and got
27:35
out there. And he kept the hype alive for
27:37
him and him and Roman. My next positive is, and I've
27:40
seen negative on this board, Lil Yachty, and I think I'm
27:43
pronouncing that correctly, the Rap RB Superstar.
27:47
I, I'm told I don't know anything about him other than
27:50
that obviously he's teamed up with Trick Williams and I think
27:57
I liked how he was presented when he came out.
27:58
He looked to add to the product. You know, I think he
28:01
complimented what Trick Williams was doing.
28:03
He wasn't copying Trick either. He's very much his own person
28:06
and I think he seemed to care about the product and care about
28:08
what he was doing. He got a little bit physical as
28:11
well in there. He wasn't just there to like
28:12
rap. He was there to get physical.
28:13
So, you know, I feel if Lil Yachty does have a big fan base,
28:17
which I'm told he does, I don't know that, but I'm told he does,
28:19
this is going to get eyes on the product.
28:20
I think he adds to Trick Williams in a way where, you
28:23
know, a few tricks didn't need anything added, but like this is
28:25
something extra source that doesn't make Trick Williams bad.
28:29
If anything else, it's cool. But yeah.
28:32
What was your thought on it Lil Yodi?
28:35
No, I agree with you. And I think you kind of added
28:37
instead of taking away, which I think since we've started doing
28:39
this has been quite a few different celebrities kind of
28:41
pop up. And I think they've all done
28:44
that because I think it's kind of it's a different world now,
28:46
isn't it? Where I think in the past where
28:48
you've had celebrities on the show, maybe he's the, WE need
28:51
the celebrities more than the celebrities needed them, if that
28:54
makes sense. Where it helped the WE where I
28:56
think with WE on Netflix now and it kind of being a bit of a boom
28:59
period that it's a cool product to be on.
29:02
So the people who turn up want to be there.
29:04
And every time they've done it, whether it be him kind of Jelly
29:07
roll, obviously Logan Paul stayed around the NXT.
29:11
They've had people in as well. And they've all kind of clearly
29:14
being fans or at least done the homework enough where they don't
29:18
look out of place. And if nothing else kind of
29:21
added to it instead of just kind of taken away because the house.
29:23
There was some horrible examples when they had the guest GMs,
29:26
Jeremy Piven being one of them. Speaking of Entourage, when it
29:29
was the only called a Summerfest.
29:31
That's what I mean, yeah. I was going to say, you know,
29:32
like getting the names wrong because you don't really care.
29:36
But you know, I think this is this is very different it seems
29:38
like. Normally he's been criticized
29:40
online little yacht. He's kind of come out and said
29:42
like like essentially it was quite well.
29:44
He didn't like you know, it wasn't a ricochet response.
29:46
It was just essentially kind of I think it's quite an unfair
29:48
comment what you've done because I love the product and I feel
29:51
like I've I've done enough to deserve kind of a spot.
29:54
And it is because it's not like he's got a spot that's taken
29:56
away from someone as he, you know, it's a celebrity coming
29:59
always kind of trick Williams hype man.
30:01
It's not like there's a wrestler in the back who'd be like that
30:03
could have been me. So why does it hurt?
30:07
No, indeed, I don't think it does.
30:09
So I think that's a good thing. Like you said, if it brings Lil
30:12
Yachty's eyes to the product, then that's cool.
30:15
My next positive is, so last week we talked about, you know,
30:19
could Fozzie be singing the national anthem at WrestleMania?
30:23
Of course, no. I just love how wrestling,
30:26
there's wrestling almost every night of the week somewhere.
30:29
All that, right? So obviously we literally
30:31
recorded that. And then that very night, YTJ is
30:34
back on AEW Dynamite. So he called All Bluffs big time
30:39
out, which is fun. It's always good to hear, you
30:41
know, a good surprise in the wrestling world going full
30:44
circle. Obviously I loved the fact he
30:46
was back. So he sort of swerved us all
30:48
because the wrestling was already trying to be a Mania.
30:51
So he had great that he's back and he swerved us all and that
30:53
was fun to see. I love the fact as well.
30:55
He didn't really see anything. So he returned.
30:59
So it wasn't announced that he was coming back.
31:01
So he turned out the blue and then he hasn't really said much,
31:04
which keeps sort of the keeps the anticipation going to this
31:08
next week, doesn't it, Luke? No, it does, definitely because,
31:11
I mean, yeah, it does. It fell into one of my negatives
31:14
though, to be honest, because I just felt like it kind of like
31:17
we're talking about where it's not just kind of WE giving stuff
31:20
away, where Bala kind of get announced as a Demon.
31:23
I know Jarrett will come from nowhere, but he also kind of did
31:25
nothing where I think, you know, if he's resigned, which
31:28
apparently has, it was rumors he was going by WE, which he
31:30
hasn't. He looks great.
31:32
I think for AW that could have used them in a much bigger way.
31:35
I get that it was Winnipeg, but I felt like it was a bit of a
31:38
bit of an odd one where hopefully it goes on to
31:41
something better, which I think it will because I say
31:43
everything. You've got to kind of like Cook.
31:45
But I think the initial presentation of that being
31:47
Jericho's return, I just, I didn't enjoy it because it did
31:51
that. Don't make anything happen.
31:52
It didn't do anything. I do know what you mean about
31:57
that. I definitely see those points.
31:59
I think part it was in a game we talked about.
32:00
Maybe I started having too much control in the AW.
32:03
But if you believe what you read, Jared Gold apparently
32:07
asked him, as always. He always if he was coming, if
32:09
he was resigning, he was coming back.
32:11
He wanted to be at the Winnipeg show, whether it be in his
32:14
hometown. If you believe what you read.
32:17
No 100% when I do get the Winnipeg thing 100%.
32:20
But yeah, I just think it's interesting and I hope that it's
32:23
definitely like it looks like it probably will be, but I hope
32:26
it's a more serious Jericho that we get.
32:28
Because I think that was one of the things that kind of really
32:30
turned the AW fan base off of them.
32:32
That last render, that last run, I think he was kind of left to
32:35
his own devices and the learning tree and stuff like that.
32:38
It was a bit lame. Whereas like if you've got
32:40
someone like Jericho there, I think you can get a lot more out
32:42
of them. And I think a heel turn would
32:45
definitely be the right way to go with it.
32:47
And he was in great shape. I certainly looked that way, so
32:50
that's fantastic to see as well. No, he was, yeah.
32:53
But that, I think that's part of his renegotiating because that's
32:55
how a lot of people have said that he's kind of, he's worked
32:57
Tony Khan. Do you think he's worked him?
32:59
Do you think that was his plan all along to get in good shape
33:02
that the room as a do we build up then get a big payday from
33:05
Tony? Yes and no something yes, but I
33:09
think I think you would have listened to do we really
33:11
nothing, but not because just just just to just to piss Tony
33:14
off. I get 20P more like if both
33:17
companies want us and that's just the ball from CU.
33:19
It gives us the better offer and B which is the better creativity
33:22
for me. And then sounds like Tony's
33:23
given both. So win win for Jericho and Tony
33:26
gets what he wants as well. Yeah, definitely.
33:28
And again, like, you know, you don't know how true the Internet
33:30
is, but I think the kind of conversation that was had with
33:33
the WWE that the word it would be a retirement tour.
33:36
And I think, yeah, you can't just keep doing retirement to us
33:40
because they lose the kind of edge.
33:41
I think like that was one of the things that diminished age is at
33:44
first for me, whereas I will seen as just retired and I've
33:47
just retired him. I know you, you know, if you've
33:48
got to go, you've got to go. But yeah, I can see why that
33:51
wouldn't appeal to Jericho because he's someone to me that
33:55
I feel like unless he absolutely had to, it could be a long time
33:59
till he actually says he's done because he is very good at
34:02
reinventing himself. He is indeed and he's in control
34:05
of his own schedule and he doesn't have to work every week.
34:08
So like he can look at flat body long term as well?
34:11
What? Were your other positives of the
34:14
week, Luke? So when it kind of goes back the
34:16
little yachty thing, but just the Sami's in trick Williams
34:19
thing generally. So I think that we discussed it
34:21
as a slight negative last week. So I think it's a bit, I think
34:24
it's a bit shit really. That looks like Carmelo.
34:26
He is probably will miss WrestleMania because I've really
34:28
enjoyed the US Open Challenge. But now that it's there and
34:31
that's kind of in the background, I think have been
34:33
teasing it for weeks and you know, trick super over.
34:36
There's a lot of kind of dislike if Sami's in online these days
34:39
and the crowds were starting to kind of Boo as well.
34:42
I think we could get a kind of nice little double heel turn at
34:45
WrestleMania. And I think they've kind of
34:47
built it up nicely. But it was.
34:49
What's your thoughts on a double heel term between them too?
34:53
So I think Trip Williams is a bona fide star.
34:55
He's got the gift of the gab on the mic, He looks fantastic.
34:57
He's getting bigger. We could meet as well.
34:58
So he's a legit heavyweight contender.
35:02
He looks like a professional wrestler.
35:03
He sounds like a professional wrestler.
35:04
Like he is he's old school and how he sounds, he's old school
35:07
and how he's built. Like you just get it.
35:09
He is a professional wrestler and he's over his health.
35:13
So like, he is a heel, but like, I've seen this at work a day,
35:16
like to people, you know, Trick Williams could be killing a baby
35:21
and the fans in the crowd or people in the street would watch
35:23
him killing a baby and would and would sing whoop that baby,
35:27
whoop that baby. Like that's how over he is.
35:29
So I think they do need to turn him face because because he can
35:33
be a face and have an edge, right?
35:34
Because he, I think he does have an edge.
35:35
He's not going to be like squeaky clean.
35:37
But the need to turn him face because he's too over to not be
35:41
a nun. Yeah.
35:42
Like, let's let's turn Sammy heel.
35:44
Like, why not? Sammy can be a great heel.
35:47
Let's do that. We've seen it when Sammy was
35:49
feuding in all that whole build up, when he was getting, when he
35:52
was had like the fake mockumentary camera crew making
35:55
documentary How you get screwed all the time when he fused with
35:57
Johnny Knoxville. Like, do you want me to come be
36:00
the heel? No massively like that joining
36:02
Knoxville Sammy's a match is kind of one of my kind of
36:04
favorite almost hidden gems. Like I think people kind of
36:08
forget about it because time has passed on.
36:09
But like it's a purely slapstick Jackass match and it's
36:11
excellent. And he was, he was really good
36:13
in the whole conspiracy because if he had like kind of Shinsky
36:16
and people with him as well, didn't he?
36:18
And it was kind of like a tortured artists kind of mini
36:21
stable. I think it might be in the cool
36:22
video. But now he can work here.
36:24
And I think if the fans are turning against him and you want
36:26
to put a world title on him, maybe that's the way you do it
36:29
where it kind of it doesn't. Because I think at the minute,
36:31
if you put a world title on Sammy's in, I think the crowd
36:33
turns against him. Yeah.
36:35
Now what's your thoughts like? Do you think Trick Williams
36:38
could, like, kill a woman in the street and people will be like,
36:40
whoop that woman? Definitely.
36:42
Like he was doing me. He was bought, you know, he was
36:44
bullying him. Wasn't it Smackdown?
36:45
He's called him ginger ale, ginger snaps.
36:47
But it was funny because he does it with that winning smile and
36:49
he's charismatic as fuck. So yeah, he is.
36:51
People want to cheer him. And I think sometimes WE in the
36:54
past have kind of held out too long, whether it's putting a
36:56
title on someone or turning someone.
36:58
And I think Trip Williams there, like, he can probably win the US
37:01
title, I think. But if he doesn't, he can.
37:05
He could be world champion in four months and I'd believe it
37:07
and I'd be on board with it. Definitely your next positive,
37:12
Luke. Yes well, my next positive was
37:14
NXT. So again that solid stand and
37:16
deliver another pay-per-view. I do enjoy me NXT.
37:18
I'm a big fan of it, but I want to kind of pick out the triple
37:21
threat women's title match with JCJ and Lola vice.
37:24
So Lola Vice won the world tie air women's world title.
37:26
She's someone who they've kind of been slowly building up for a
37:29
while. She's got some kind of legit
37:31
background as well and kind of mixed martial arts as well.
37:34
So she's you know, she it is legit.
37:36
And I thought they kind of want to pick up Jessie Jane because
37:38
obviously her kind of initial run in NXT was kind of part of
37:41
toxic attraction with Mandy Rose and Gigi Dolan, where she was
37:46
very much kind of I think a lot of people thought the kind of
37:48
mortgage neti of that group. And obviously Mandy left because
37:51
of all new fans controversy. Gigi got released and obviously
37:55
she was left standing and she's went on to be kind of a long
37:58
kind of double term reign as the women's champion.
38:01
And I think she's someone who has got that potential where
38:04
when the call up happens, it might not be a lot of buzz
38:06
around it, But I think she's kind of showing that you can
38:08
stick it out and there's a talent there.
38:09
And I think she's kind of ready for that main event and that
38:13
main roster, which I think will happen now that just drop the
38:16
title. I have watched that match at
38:19
all. It was a great triple threat
38:20
match and everyone in it was great I thought.
38:22
And yeah, I think she is ready for the next step.
38:24
You know, maybe not a step, be a champion in the main roster, but
38:27
step up the main roster and be a good part of it, maximise the
38:30
minutes and then build that up to them becoming a contender.
38:33
It'll be great to see. Yeah, and they say the whole
38:36
show was good and it was quite again, kind of saying Tony, Tony
38:39
D'Angelo win the world title as well.
38:41
He's another guy who kind of was brought in during that kind of
38:43
NXT 2.0 where kind of Bruce and Vince took it off Vince and it
38:47
was all colourful and daft characters like Tony D'Angelo
38:50
was a mob boss and he had a family and he's another one.
38:53
He's kind of persevered and he has that talent and they've been
38:56
able to strip the gimmick back massively over with that kind of
38:59
hardcore logo NXT fanbase. And he became the first ever
39:02
Grand Slam NXT Champion, which I thought, that can't be true,
39:06
surely Johnny Gargano is. But you know what makes them the
39:08
Grand Slam champion that no one else has?
39:11
Go on then. The NXT Heritage Cup.
39:14
He's the only one that's held the NXT Heritage Cup, North
39:16
American Title and the World Title.
39:19
I mean, I wouldn't cast the cups as a title like but OK.
39:22
Do we do? He has.
39:23
That's what they said on NXT, is the first ever NXT Grand Slam
39:26
champion. So that's that's what they're
39:27
going with. OK, I'll let them have that.
39:32
Any any other positives before we dive into negatives?
39:34
Yeah, so Edge and Christian, so I've really enjoyed them being
39:37
back together. I've really enjoyed the build up
39:39
with FTR and like obviously it's the pay-per-view at the weekend
39:42
where they've got going for the tag titles.
39:44
They've surely got a win and I've just really enjoyed them
39:46
kind of being hunting down FTR. Did you see them with Renee this
39:50
week on AW? I've not seen that yet.
39:53
How? How was that it?
39:54
Was class. It was Christian being
39:56
Christian. So she grabs them on the way in
39:58
and edges say, look like, I know it's not your fault, but we're
40:01
not talking to anyone tonight. We're going to take out anyone
40:03
who's in our way. And Christian's got a chair and
40:05
he goes to hit Renee with it and he's like, not Renee, come on.
40:07
And he walks Christian into the ring because Christian's not
40:09
happy that, you know, it's bad that Edge got dropped and Beth
40:13
got dropped, but Christian had a Rolex broken and he's out for
40:17
revenge because he's an asshole. But I am, I'm generally
40:20
genuinely looking forward to them.
40:21
Like I think when Edge went AWI just didn't, it didn't do
40:24
anything for his. Edge is one of the all time
40:26
favourites. There's nothing there that I
40:27
really want him to do except team with Christian.
40:29
So this is if Edge is an AW, this is what I want him to be
40:33
doing. So I'm excited for that tag
40:34
match because they've mentioned it before, but the one that had
40:37
on the pay-per-view where Edge got written off TV, it was one
40:41
of my matches of the year. So I think this one could one or
40:43
better and it's got us really excited for that pay-per-view.
40:48
No, definitely. And then that's going to the
40:50
negatives. So you've done my 2G already?
40:53
Yeah, so obviously your boy falls into this one, but only
40:56
because he was in the match. But Alistair Black and Zelena
40:59
and Zelena, I don't get it because it's just carrying Cross
41:03
and Scarlet, like, and I really like Alistair Black.
41:06
And obviously the Haddam feuding with Randy where there was a
41:09
time where I thought he might end up being in a multi man
41:11
world title match at WrestleMania.
41:13
And now it's looking like he's not going to be on the
41:15
WrestleMania card. And I just don't quite get what
41:17
they're doing with it because all the backstage stuff was
41:19
essentially like Devil's Advocate.
41:21
It was just what carrying Cross was doing, no?
41:25
I absolutely agree with that. I think like Alistair and and
41:32
our name's just absolutely blanked from my mind.
41:35
Zelena. Zelena so like they all like,
41:38
you know, they look fantastic. They've got a definitive look.
41:41
They sound great when the backstage, the way they all
41:44
being the devil's advocate, you know, although it is essentially
41:47
a very similar gimmick to what Carrion was doing with Scarlett.
41:49
It is it works and it looks great, but then it doesn't seem
41:52
to go anywhere. Like it doesn't take the next
41:54
step forward. It just it stays in the same
41:56
state, if that makes sense. No, 100% it does.
41:59
Like I say, I don't get what it's going because first he was
42:01
food or Randy and then he's backstage kind of getting in my
42:04
cordonas. Yeah.
42:05
Where is it going to lead to a long feud with him?
42:07
Maybe he's, but I don't think so.
42:09
So it's kind of like just what, right, You've put them together
42:11
now. He given them a gimmick that
42:13
were kind of seen before, but fine.
42:14
But then right, just time to push on and I just feel like
42:16
it's just been treading water now for probably 6 or 8 weeks.
42:20
Is it not long because he wasn't he in Sammy's year as well?
42:24
Yes, he was. Yeah.
42:25
Like he's been in kind of everyone's.
42:26
But again, that's exactly what Carrie and Cross was doing.
42:29
Yeah, so time will tell. I thought Caldonia was great in
42:32
the match. I thought he sold the the hand
42:34
very well. You know, he's just great at
42:35
what he does. Obviously he did get defeated,
42:37
which is not good. But yeah, we'll see.
42:40
I mean, 2 great wrestlers are, you know, probably aren't going
42:44
to be on the WrestleMania card. So it's going to be very
42:47
interesting to see what they do after WrestleMania, how they
42:49
hopefully get built into some storylines.
42:52
Yeah, definitely. And then kind of like a final
42:54
negative for me, that was kind of leading in the AW
42:57
pay-per-view. So it's Darby Allen.
43:00
Like, have they missed the boat on him?
43:02
Because he's someone that like for me, like I think I'm just a
43:05
little bit too old now where I don't properly buy into a
43:07
shtick, but I think people do. But I feel like he should have
43:10
been world champion now and they should have given him a run to
43:13
try and see whether or not that works.
43:16
And I just feel like he's constantly just another one
43:18
who's treading water. I'm just like, I don't know if
43:21
they've missed the board on them.
43:22
What do you think about them like?
43:25
So I watch a lot of Dobby Allen's, like I watch a lot of
43:29
AW, and it began for the first few years.
43:31
So I'm familiar with Dobby Allen really well.
43:33
I don't really watch AW that much now, like religiously.
43:37
That makes sense. So I think with Dobby Allen, I
43:42
think he falls in that category. Like he doesn't need a world
43:44
title be over, but I think and if you were to put him in there,
43:51
like who is he beating the be world champion and then what
43:54
type of runs he having? Because his whole thing is that
43:55
like if you risk his body and you might get beat.
43:59
So I don't know how that would be a good world champion, if
44:01
that makes sense. Yeah, I just, I think it goes by
44:04
that thing where I think AW still needs to kind of
44:07
differentiate themselves a little bit more.
44:09
And I think a good way of really attempting that would to give
44:12
would be to give him a long title run.
44:14
And I thought it would have happened by now.
44:16
So I just think it's kind of yeah, like and he's another one
44:18
where he's facing Andrade at the pay-per-view.
44:21
But yeah, like after that it's like because as we've talked
44:23
about last week, I think MGF Osprey is the next kind of long
44:26
feuding that to MGF drops the title do I could be wrong.
44:29
That's just my thinking, but yeah, so it's kind of like
44:31
there's probably another 6-7 months where Derby Allen isn't
44:35
world champion. And what do you keep doing to
44:37
kind of keep you invested in them other than being, you know,
44:39
to quote the Hardy's, a spot monkey?
44:42
Yeah. No, I think like, you know, I
44:46
get that, you know, that quarter spot monkey, you know, and I
44:49
think it's funny, I think he is more than that.
44:52
But I think, yeah, he has his place in the card where he's
44:56
like, you tune in to see the Derby Allen craziness and he
44:59
tells good stories and it's always interesting what he's
45:02
doing, if that makes sense. But then, you know, for me, I
45:05
will never put him as world champion over Kenny Omega.
45:07
Like, do you know what I mean? I just think or like somebody
45:10
like that when you've got when you've got people though who are
45:13
that good. Yeah, I think it's just because
45:16
I think in my head, I think, AW, just not try needs to try and be
45:20
like as different in as alternative as possible because
45:23
otherwise you're just going to get constant comparisons.
45:25
But I guess that's just the world that we live in.
45:27
But yeah, I think it's just, I think it's one of the only
45:29
things I haven't tried like a really alternative world
45:32
champion yet. Yeah, I mean, I would start with
45:35
them like put the TNT title, I must mean for a long run and
45:39
build them that way. And he maybe put it where like
45:43
he puts everything on the line to get his world title shot and
45:46
then he wins. I'd make it proper high stakes
45:49
like Korea on the line and then he wins in the stairs.
45:53
I don't know, I feel but Dobby, you have to you would have to do
45:56
that like the match off more high stakes and just the belt
45:59
for the match. Like his career is not.
46:01
That makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
46:04
But I say I think it's just a shame because every time you see
46:06
him, especially because he kind of does get injured a lot and
46:08
then he goes and climbs for good.
46:09
What was it, Everest? So it's like you kind of
46:12
disappears and he comes back and you feel like you get something
46:14
going and then it just kind of drifts off again.
46:15
So he is one of the ones where I think there is definitely more
46:18
than what they're getting out of them there.
46:19
And if and if they don't, it does just become a kind of bit
46:22
of A1 trick pony, doesn't it? No, it certainly does.
46:25
It certainly does. My negatives are so it's not the
46:32
fact Reyes in the ladder match, that's that's a positive that
46:34
Reyes at WrestleMania, great. The negatives that he's just
46:37
been like added out of nowhere, like out of the blue.
46:39
Everybody else have qualifying matches and then Rey just gets
46:42
out of because he's Rey Mysterio.
46:43
And I feel like, yeah, he just took the excitement out of it a
46:48
little bit. Well, no, like I don't mind him
46:51
being in the ladder match. You know, he's Rey Mysterio will
46:53
be some spots it gets him on the card.
46:55
But what confuses me is that if you listen to Malta this week,
46:58
Brom break has been cleared, Rey Mysterio was cleared.
47:01
And again, if you go about what you believe on the Internet, the
47:03
original plan was Rollins break at Gunther Rey, which are two
47:07
more matches that I'd much rather be invested in than
47:09
Gunther versus Rollins and reign a ladder match.
47:11
So I just think it's kind of like, yeah, maybe just go, I
47:13
don't believe everything you read on the Internet, but Rey is
47:16
definitely back. So you could have definitely got
47:18
the Ray Gunther match, which I think was much better for both
47:21
of those where even if it meant Rollins missed Mania.
47:23
I think going down the Ray Gunther route, it almost feels
47:27
like the new Ray was cleared, but the felt like Rollins needed
47:30
a match and Ray has been kind of sub like kind of subbed out,
47:34
which, you know, if there's a bit shit really, you know what I
47:36
mean? He's Rey Mysterio.
47:37
And I think Ray versus Gunther just goes much more into what
47:40
Gunther was doing. Yeah, we'll certainly watch this
47:44
space and see how it delivers our meals.
47:46
You know there's no week or so bills, right?
47:48
So you might get something interesting.
47:50
Do you think a lot any more people do that match before the
47:52
end? I do, yeah.
47:54
I think you will get someone from AAA and I think they might
47:56
announce it at the at the pay-per-view this weekend.
48:00
I think so, it might happen in the vet, in the pen a match and
48:04
then they'll add if I can go into the bladder match.
48:08
Speaking of, who's been taught about like, why isn't Arsenal
48:10
black in there? But he's on Smackdown, isn't he?
48:14
The others haven't turned, say, oh look, I'm getting involved.
48:16
Like, I don't know why you wouldn't just use these people
48:19
who can, because the whole thing that the beauty that I match is
48:22
that you could have like 10 people in there, right?
48:23
So I don't know why you wouldn't utilize these great wrestlers
48:28
who can do some great things. Don't just you just have to win,
48:31
right? No, not at all.
48:33
But like I say, you could still add them into it and who knows,
48:35
you might end up being in a match.
48:37
But yeah, it's looking like you probably isn't.
48:38
And yeah, I think it's a it is. We had that Rear was meant to be
48:41
injured and then he just gets put in the ladder match.
48:44
Definitely the next one is and it's sort of obviously Pat
48:48
McAfee being added to this Cory Rhodes, Randy Orton feud.
48:50
Think number one. I think this feud didn't need
48:55
Pat McAfee added to the feud. Like it doesn't make sense.
48:57
I feel like it's built only 20 years of history, like best
49:01
friends, brothers, a teacher turn into mortal enemies going
49:06
to destroy each other at WrestleMania for the richest
49:08
prize in our business. Like it writes itself, right?
49:11
It's absolutely cooking. It just needs to SIM out on the
49:13
pan the next few weeks to get the Mania.
49:15
It was already at temperature, if that makes sense.
49:17
And then I feel like they've got a delicious hot dish there and
49:19
they've just put a chocolate cake in it and ruined it.
49:22
Like I like chocolate cake, but like not mixed with meat hot
49:25
Curry. Like do you know what I mean?
49:27
So like, why is it Pat? Why does it make sense?
49:30
And then also the things Pat was saying.
49:32
Like again, this thing is built on history, friendship,
49:36
mentorship, hood and then being a traitor and turn turn the back
49:40
on him. Like it's built on all of that.
49:43
It doesn't need Patrick. I'm now talking about 5 foot
49:45
five guys having 45 minute Iron Man matches.
49:47
That's not even happening in WWE.
49:49
So what's he talking about? I feel like it just doesn't make
49:52
sense just to get TQ in the conversation like the ruined the
49:56
room, the great storyline, possibly just to get take you in
49:58
a conversation. Yeah, it reeks of kind of like
50:02
what they did with Travis Scott last year, doesn't it?
50:04
We're kind of especially where Pat Murphy's thought about how
50:06
he's going to save wrestling. That was kind of like seen as
50:09
crack to an extent, but he was going to ruin wrestling.
50:11
So it's kind of, there's a lot of similarities.
50:14
And like you say, it was absolutely cooking.
50:15
And I don't even mind if Pat McAfee was the reveal like at
50:18
WrestleMania or the Smackdown after.
50:22
But yeah, like you said, the match itself, it's you know,
50:24
it's it's it was a 15 year storyline like with legacy and
50:28
then obviously Cody and Randy and it's for the richest prize
50:30
in the business. So yeah, it, it didn't need Pat
50:33
McAfee. I'll try to be as positive as
50:35
possible with wrestling because you know, it is what it is and
50:38
there's still a couple of weeks to go.
50:40
But this is one of those ones where I think no matter where
50:43
they take it and even if they're trying, even if they're able to
50:45
pull it back a bit, it just wasn't needed in the build up.
50:48
All you needed was Randy and Orton.
50:51
One of the things I did think of though, which is kind of an
50:54
overall negative for kind of the whole build up towards
50:57
WrestleMania, is that I think they've just had too much time
51:00
between Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania.
51:03
Think that either needed to have Elimination Chamber later or of
51:06
had a main event in the middle. Because there's just a lot of
51:09
feuds that were probably ready to go 2 weeks ago, but they've
51:12
still had two weeks worth of tell you where you just
51:13
retreading stuff or adding things and that doesn't that
51:16
isn't needed. Like I felt WrestleMania was
51:19
ready 2 weeks ago. I think I don't know what you
51:20
think about that. Like, do you think that there's
51:23
been too much build up? I think for some of the
51:25
storylines, yes. And like my next negative, the
51:28
last negative is and it has been the past few weeks.
51:30
So I'm apologizing for maybe shitting on it, but like,
51:33
really? And Jade Cargo, like what are
51:35
they doing now? The the tag teams are now
51:37
involved like again, like there should have been like big
51:42
monster woman versus big monster woman.
51:44
They're going to tear each other apart in the best months as last
51:47
of Tandon. And I think that that would have
51:48
been good to go a few weeks ago. But it's it's overcooked now.
51:52
Big time. Yeah.
51:54
Yeah, Michael Cole, Cole and Meechen and B Fab, the hench
51:57
women. So it's terrible that it's not
51:59
the best name you've got for them.
52:00
He's used for them on Rose Jay Cardle's Hench Women.
52:04
It's like like a. Create a wrestler that you might
52:06
as well call them. Create a wrestler A and create a
52:08
wrestler B. So it's the word.
52:10
You didn't have to give them a name.
52:11
Do you know what I mean? Like no names better than the
52:13
hench women. Yeah, exactly, man.
52:16
It's just like, yeah. Because they're not even like
52:18
muscular really others. So I don't think they're saying
52:20
like the hench, I think he just means the generic villain trope
52:24
of henchman. Yeah, essentially just like Bob
52:27
the Goon from the Batman movie. That's exactly what it is, Yeah.
52:30
I think it kind of just shows them for what they are.
52:32
And it's like, yeah, a bit of panic and where I think they're
52:34
just. But that's another one.
52:35
Apparently that's why Your Sky is being brought into it because
52:38
the obviously the rumor is she'll be facing Oscar, but then
52:41
there's also concerns that Nikki Bella won't be fit where if
52:44
she's not, they'll put the Kabuki Warriors into the tag
52:46
team match, which means your Sky then misses Mania and will
52:49
feature in this feud more. Yeah.
52:53
So again, it's just it's been a long time since Elimination
52:55
Chamber. No, indeed.
52:58
And then I've got one last thing I want to offer from this week,
53:00
which isn't a negative or a positive, but I just found it
53:02
like just wild start to talk about it, but that that bump
53:07
that Liv Morgan's took. Yeah.
53:11
What on Earth's going on there? Wow.
53:14
There's a part of me that thinks them two really don't like each
53:17
other. There's like there's been a few
53:18
spots where like the scene of like giving each other a cup of
53:21
potatoes and being quite stiff. So yeah, it's a funny one.
53:24
It's another one where I think their bills being a bit on and
53:26
off, where kind of the match itself I think will be good.
53:30
And I think Vaca needs a really good title defence because I
53:33
think it's been quite a lukewarm title rain.
53:36
But yeah, it's another one where like the the battle of your
53:39
point was the bump or the build as well.
53:40
Hasn't been great. But yeah, I was just don't know.
53:42
He wasn't it like it wasn't like knocking heads.
53:45
But yeah, as PR a gone ahead there, they've had to go through
53:47
the concussion protocol as well, have them apparently.
53:50
It looked and sounded all for me, like I think she must know
53:54
she's going in there like dangerously fast and strong and
53:57
like knocks the other girl. I've got a name on her back as
53:59
well and she's gets hurt. From.
54:02
The telly and like like puts a legit through the telly like.
54:06
Yeah, and you've got what you've got to be careful, stuff like
54:08
that. You've got to hope there's no
54:09
heat on it for it because if the putter through a concussion
54:12
protocol, it might put the match in doubt.
54:14
It looks like it hasn't, but you don't know if it's like you say,
54:16
it's a pretty big shine and that looked like all blood that so
54:19
hopefully just needs to be drained.
54:20
Yeah, fingers crossed. Me.
54:24
Well, I think that's an end of the week in review.
54:26
Look, unless you've got anything else you want to talk about this
54:28
past week in professional wrestling.
54:29
No, that's everything. I think we'll think we've hit a
54:31
lot of boxes there. Let's say it was a stacked week.
54:34
Certainly was. I think we're ready for a moment
54:37
in time, which is of course where we look at a wrestling
54:40
match or a moment that, you know, we think is great.
54:44
It's potentially overlooked. You know, it's not like Hogan or
54:47
Andre. It's not the rocking Hogan.
54:48
It's not Austin and Brett Amania, you know, tends to be
54:52
something that was great that maybe doesn't get talked about
54:54
as much as it should or we don't think it gets talked about as it
54:56
should. And we just give it a review.
54:57
It's been matches so far throughout the podcast history.
55:00
It's a match today and it is from In Your House 5 and it is
55:06
Brett the Hitman Hart defending the WWF Championship against his
55:10
brother-in-law, the British Bulldog.
55:13
So yes, this was indeed in December 17th, 1995 In Your
55:17
house five. It was later named In Your House
55:19
Five seasons beatings because it was I had a quite a Christmas
55:22
theme to the In Your House. And yeah, Luke, were you excited
55:26
when this was announced as our moment in time?
55:29
It was because it was a match that I had no memory of because
55:31
it was probably like a period of time just before I really got in
55:35
to wrestling. I always like going back and
55:36
watching the old in your houses. They I think they've got a real
55:38
great kind of as we light nostalgic vibe to them.
55:42
I was reading in the history of them.
55:43
Do you know what the big they did a big sweepstake for the
55:46
first ever in your house. Do you know what you won?
55:49
Was it a wrestler company house to watch the match with you?
55:51
No, you just won a house. Quite on the nose that, isn't
55:54
it. Oh wow.
55:55
Hey, I mean in the days, Morgan, today's economy give us a house.
55:59
Yeah, I'd love to know if that person still living in the house
56:01
that WE gifted them. Yeah, was the house in
56:04
Connecticut. I bet it was tax write off but.
56:08
Yeah. But yeah, I know I was because I
56:10
say obviously two guys I'm a big fan of much that had no real
56:13
memory of. So it's always good when I get
56:14
to watch them through my feels new and I just I like season
56:17
beatings. I like the name.
56:19
So that got it after but did it. Yes.
56:24
Was that a daft? I think it was like because they
56:26
they do reference it in the broadcast like it's like tongue
56:29
in cheek thing. But I think as they started to
56:30
give these things names, it was like retrospectively called that
56:33
a pretty stacked card. I mean run through the card.
56:37
So there was some dark matches. Gold Dust defeated Duke Jose
56:44
Barry Horowitz Hakushi in the Smoking Guns defeated Yokozuna
56:48
as Yankemin DDS and the body donnas Sonny was there as well
56:53
for that. Bob Buckland defeated Savio Vega
56:56
so that was like 3 pretty sacked dark matches.
57:00
Raisin Marona Martin Bonnie Ginnetti defeated the 123 could
57:03
in cycle with Sid in A tag team match.
57:05
Armoured Jansen defeated Buddy Landel.
57:08
Triple H beat Henry O Godwin that was in the pig pen match.
57:12
So I think this is where it's just getting punished for the
57:14
events. I know he wouldn't have been
57:17
getting pushed right now. Actually, this has been.
57:18
Different yeah because though that made me think that as well
57:20
because I always thought that was a punishment but Knox
57:22
obviously Hall and Nash are all over this card so I think I
57:27
think he got king of the ring took off him his punishment.
57:30
But yeah I think he must just be still paying his dues here.
57:32
But in my head he did the hog pen match because of the curtain
57:35
call. But we're wrong.
57:36
So there we go. This is what we'll find out when
57:38
this would meet. What's that?
57:41
It's a Mandela Effect, isn't it? He?
57:42
Does indeed Diesel by disqualification.
57:45
The other takeover, Paul Bearer defeated King Mabel in a casket
57:49
match. And then we have the main event,
57:51
Brett Hart versus the British Bulldog, who has Diana Smith,
57:55
his wife and Brett's sister in his corner with Jim Cornette as
57:58
well. And it's a singles match for the
58:00
Dubai. We have championship.
58:01
The match itself is 21 minutes and 9 seconds.
58:03
So it's a, you know, it's not not a long match.
58:06
It comes just after the hype of takeout in King Mabel in a
58:10
Casket, so I'll go into why that's relevant.
58:13
But yes, the reason why I picked this match basically.
58:17
Luke is, you know, I'm a big Brett.
58:18
Hoff fan and I think some of these in your house performances
58:20
don't get looked at. I think to me this match is very
58:24
much it's a masterpiece and wrestling storytelling and in
58:28
bringing the bringing the crowd back down before bringing them
58:31
back up. You know, they all want too much
58:32
of A high from the casket match. You've got to bring them back
58:35
down before you bring them back up for the crescendo.
58:39
Very high technical standard and you know, this was a
58:42
transitional period for the company.
58:43
I think this match stands out. I think Bulldog in this match is
58:46
in bad shape when he was in 1992.
58:50
You know, I think people know 1992 ball that wasn't in good
58:52
shape and Brett Hatter sort of almost carry him through the
58:54
match indeed to a great performance.
58:57
But I think this allowed for a faster pace match in this one.
58:59
Once it gets cooking, I think the story.
59:04
You know, big family. History.
59:06
You know Brett's never beat Bulldog before this match.
59:09
You know, Bulldog beat him at some Aslam back then.
59:12
You know, it was sort of two brothers fighting in the most
59:14
mutual respect. But here we know in the build up
59:17
that Brett's sister Diana has very much seen, you know, a mid
59:20
Bulldog and Brexit. But no, we don't like Brittany
59:22
more. You know, Jim Cornette has a
59:24
great promo that as well. I was just going to say, yeah,
59:27
like Cornet, you could watch this and not know.
59:29
Anything that you've just said and like, listen to Cornet for
59:31
three minutes and you're like, right, I get the story.
59:33
Let's watch the match. I thought, I thought Cornet was
59:34
actually brilliant in that little backstage segment with
59:37
Jim Ross. No, certainly is, I think while.
59:40
This match, obviously it lacks the massive crowd atmosphere of
59:42
Emily. Obviously, I think the crowd
59:45
come up and down like as they're doing the moves and I think I'll
59:48
go for it, We'll go for the match.
59:49
So yeah, I think it was just just great.
59:55
And yeah, I think. We'll we'll start to go through
59:56
it if you like. Luke yeah. 100% let's go for it.
59:59
So I love how during. The entrances it's referenced
1:00:04
that. Brett's never beat Davy Boy.
1:00:08
And also that Davy boy. Is wearing the exact same tights
1:00:10
he Walt Wembley Stadium we also got mentioned at Stewart's
1:00:14
birthday, which is pretty cool and I love how the match starts
1:00:18
and you know as I said, if you're watching this on Netflix
1:00:23
or you're watching it on VHS on. DVD off, you were there
1:00:25
watching. It live at the time you know
1:00:28
you've just gone through the highs of.
1:00:29
The casket match with the. Undertaker So straight away they
1:00:33
start off with like a test of strength a couple of holes that
1:00:36
in the back you turn into the corner just to gain us to calm
1:00:39
the crowd down settle things down.
1:00:40
We don't want to be hitting high spots and stuff straight away
1:00:43
right because the crowd's already too high.
1:00:44
We need to bring them back down. Brett starts working Bulldog's
1:00:48
arms straight away as well. Really, really good stuff.
1:00:52
Devi boy sort of gets out of it. He forces.
1:00:56
Brett, the outside. Bret's sort of Brett's working
1:00:59
smart. He's avoiding Bulldog's power
1:01:01
where he can at the beginning here, which again, I love the
1:01:04
storytelling of that. You know, Bulldogs, he's fast
1:01:06
and he's strong. You know he's jacked the fuck
1:01:08
right. We know how strong a bulldog is
1:01:09
and you know Brett's Bret's trying to avoid that way
1:01:11
possible. Brett's also knows that he
1:01:13
hasn't been bulldogged before, so he knows he's having to work
1:01:16
clever. You know what to to try and get
1:01:18
the win here. Davy Boyd.
1:01:23
Delivers a back in the. Ring he delivers like a big knee
1:01:27
to the to the midsection of Brett Brettt goes down.
1:01:32
The boy starts to dominate with the power.
1:01:34
He hangs Brett in the corner. Upside.
1:01:35
Down at one point, which is fantastic.
1:01:36
He's delivering big elbows. There's one point where Brett's
1:01:39
foot comes off one side, so like he's hanging in the corner, but
1:01:42
one, one leg is dripped over the top rope and he's all those
1:01:44
dripped over the second rope. And it just looks like just
1:01:47
gnarly. But so, well, you don't see
1:01:50
wrestlers do that a day. They were just two dresses able
1:01:52
to stay with both legs up. But like, the way Brett does it,
1:01:55
he like, you know, just just adds to that.
1:01:57
Little things like that doesn't add to it.
1:01:59
And is that when Bulldog stamps his head?
1:02:01
Yeah. Because I'd made a point that
1:02:03
like if I was a kind. Of if I was.
1:02:05
Wrestling now, and I never wrestle, but if I was a wrestler
1:02:08
and I watched that match, I'd be stealing that because I feel
1:02:10
like you don't see people getting hung upside down on the
1:02:12
head stomp because like from a psychology point of view, it
1:02:15
makes sense, doesn't it? You've got the blood rushing
1:02:17
down, then you get in your head stomp.
1:02:18
So no, that was something that like as an early spot in the
1:02:21
match, which doesn't seem like much, I thought was like, oh,
1:02:23
that's quite different. Like you don't really see that.
1:02:26
Well, it certainly is. Now we do something really cool.
1:02:28
Where? And it's in the production of
1:02:29
the Match. So obviously Brett's in a bad
1:02:32
way now. And the sort of the camera
1:02:34
splits to like 1 camera in the ring and 1 camera on Diana.
1:02:38
And it's sort of they're trying to show you that although she's
1:02:41
tuned her husband on and she's said at the beginning she wants
1:02:43
her husband to win, she doesn't like Brett.
1:02:45
You start to see her say that maybe she doesn't want to put
1:02:47
that getting destroyed, but she doesn't say that, but the
1:02:50
hinting at it, which is really cool.
1:02:52
She gets a lot of camera time, doesn't show, especially at the
1:02:54
start. They really.
1:02:54
Do focus that camera in on her. You're indeed.
1:02:57
I think where this goes down the line I think is more of like.
1:02:59
Corner trying to join all the other hearts against Brett
1:03:01
that's what he's trying to do and obviously down the line a
1:03:05
few years time we. Do get the hot one, Asian.
1:03:06
Reunite, which is awesome, but yeah, we have some really good
1:03:12
stuff in the Ring and Bulldog cameras.
1:03:14
Brett's. Crucifix and they're like a
1:03:16
backdrops the morning drop Cornett gets involved with the
1:03:19
racket which is decorated for Christmas.
1:03:21
As I've said it is season's beatings.
1:03:23
I'll stay at Target, which is really cool game.
1:03:28
Dave, he's now working the. Hitman.
1:03:29
He's beating him down. We.
1:03:31
Have sort of heavy fists. He's putting him in a couple of
1:03:33
different sleeper holds and chokeholds and he's wearing
1:03:35
Brett down to the point where Brett sort of fight back up.
1:03:40
But then Brett takes that that only Bracken Dewey gets Irish
1:03:44
ripped and he takes the buckle chest 1st and comes back just
1:03:48
again, a perfect, legit, intense selling job by by Brett.
1:03:53
What was your thought when you see Brett take these
1:03:54
turnbuckles? Yeah, he sells them brilliantly
1:03:57
like he makes Davey. Look 1,000,000 bucks because.
1:03:59
I think one of my points was that when Davey come out, I
1:04:01
don't think he got much of A crowd reaction.
1:04:04
But kind of the way Brett selling in that match and the
1:04:06
way Bills and Bills like it starts to get that reaction.
1:04:09
Because I think the fans start to think, oh, Brett might
1:04:11
actually lose the title here. And that's all down to the way
1:04:13
Brett's kind of selling and putting Davey over.
1:04:16
No, it is indeed. We end up going back.
1:04:20
To sort of. A Brett being back in sort of a
1:04:26
sleeper and again getting getting.
1:04:30
Worn down, but then Brett's also fight back.
1:04:32
We see him hit the atomic drop, he does the vintage kick to the
1:04:37
midsection where Brett. Picks up both the legs and does
1:04:39
a. Stomp into the chest.
1:04:43
He then hits Bulldog with a. With a pile driver gets a. 2
1:04:46
count. What was your thought?
1:04:48
Scene of awesome looking pile driver Again, good psychology
1:04:52
because that's the type of move where you.
1:04:53
Know finish your match. Jerry Lawler's pissed off that
1:04:56
he's took because you've got the Brett Jerry Lawler move.
1:04:58
But Brett kind of sells that he's not quick enough to get the
1:05:01
cover enough. So the kick out works like it
1:05:03
makes sense that that is a dangerous move, but Brett
1:05:06
couldn't just quite get him as quick as he wanted to try and
1:05:08
get the pin. So again, great psychology
1:05:11
indeed. Brett goes to vintage Brett
1:05:13
after that and. He hits him with the side
1:05:14
rushing leg sweep. He then goes up top with the
1:05:16
forearm to the midsection that he comes off the top.
1:05:18
With all of this Brett always goes up top.
1:05:20
He pulls any pad up and he comes off the top with the with the
1:05:23
forearm. Love it.
1:05:24
Vintage Brett. And then that is where we sort
1:05:31
of go to. Bulldog manages to flip Brett
1:05:34
onto the outside and this is where we see.
1:05:40
Brett. So Brett comes off the top rope.
1:05:43
And lands on Bulldog. Brett then goes to Dewey.
1:05:48
What's it called? A.
1:05:50
Like Springboard? Davey catches him, slams him on
1:05:54
the outside, he then throws Brett into the stairs and this
1:05:57
is where Brett gets some colour banging into the stairs head
1:06:01
first. And then this is where the match
1:06:03
really starts to pick up speed from this point onwards.
1:06:06
Yeah, just just to like jump in before this is where it picks up
1:06:09
speed. Kind of Were you aware that this
1:06:12
was kind of a time where the WE didn't bleed and Brett just kind
1:06:16
of did this without asking anyone?
1:06:18
Do do you know that? Yeah, because I think you can
1:06:22
sound like Vince. Sounds pissed off.
1:06:23
Doesn't he? On Comrie?
1:06:25
He doesn't. Even if you know it's Brett,
1:06:26
does it really? You solve.
1:06:29
And comedy don't acknowledge it to like told me maybe 40 seconds
1:06:33
later because Brett doesn't turn to the camera.
1:06:36
Either like just straight away he.
1:06:38
Waits till like there's a few more moves take place.
1:06:41
You can spot the blood on the mat if you and you can like do
1:06:43
you know what I mean? If you if you look closely, if
1:06:44
you know what's there, but watching in the moment, it's not
1:06:47
until like 40 seconds later when Brett like faces the camera.
1:06:51
No, and he gets a good cut in there as well.
1:06:53
Isn't it because he's really bleeding?
1:06:54
As well. No, he is indeed vintage.
1:06:58
Vintage blade job. You could say they end up sort
1:07:03
of back in the. Ring when we're off to the
1:07:05
races. Here, Brett takes in our
1:07:06
turnbuckle bump, this time back first, and then Davy hits him
1:07:09
with a pal driver. Davy hits him with a suplex, and
1:07:12
again we get the Diana can where she's very concerned.
1:07:15
You know, her husband's on top. She's looking concerned a bit
1:07:18
where it's a bit like she's sort of selling, being proud for her
1:07:20
husband, but also being concerned about her brother,
1:07:24
which again leads to the drama of of this, which is really
1:07:26
cool. We get a overhead slam and we
1:07:30
get another slam and then Davey comes off the top rope with this
1:07:34
like head book to Brett's midsection and I think he legit
1:07:37
hurts his knee here when he comes off as well.
1:07:39
It's a strange pace for the big mountain B.
1:07:42
And then we see sort. Of yeah, was it maybe like Dana?
1:07:45
My kid style head but that. Was it because I'm assuming
1:07:48
that's what he was going for, but then he sort of.
1:07:51
Comes off the rope early if that makes sense, and it looks like a
1:07:54
collision like it looks. Vicious but.
1:07:56
It doesn't look right. Looks like he falls when he
1:07:59
maybe shouldn't. Yeah, before that as well.
1:08:02
There's a. Bit where he doesn't require.
1:08:04
A lot like extended like brain Buster as well.
1:08:06
And I thought that again, great psychology kind of rushing all
1:08:09
that blood that's already coming out of Brett to the head.
1:08:11
So again that again, some good stuff in this match.
1:08:13
Was he? David then tries to put Bretton
1:08:15
some sort of like crucifix. Submission Brett tries to
1:08:17
reverse into the sharpshooter, but Brett sound how fatigued he
1:08:20
is and he can't quite get it in Did he gets out of it.
1:08:24
Brett goes the outside again. We sort of see a vertical suplex
1:08:30
get reversed into a German suplex as.
1:08:33
Well, and then they hit. Each other with a double claws
1:08:36
line. Once the back of the ring the
1:08:38
fans start a chant. We won Brett at this point
1:08:40
because they. Didn't see how fatigued.
1:08:41
Brett is and they could see Davey's in the in the leading
1:08:45
point in the match and they don't want Davey to win.
1:08:46
They want Brett to win. Davey gets onto the outside.
1:08:52
Brett goes. Over the top one to Davey.
1:08:55
There's a couple of moves. Outside, Davey then removes the
1:08:58
pattern. And then he goes to suplex Brett
1:09:01
onto the concrete. Brett manages to reverse it and
1:09:03
hangs Davey on the railing. Balls first.
1:09:07
Watch out for the hoes grapefruits Davey.
1:09:10
Then he hits Davey with a clothesline as well, knocking
1:09:12
him off the railing. They get back in the ring.
1:09:16
Brett hits a. Awesome vintage back breaker.
1:09:18
Gets a 2 count. There's some head butts going
1:09:21
on. He swings Davey in the
1:09:23
turnbuckle where like he swings him and like Davey almost as a
1:09:25
flip into the turnbuckle. Looks class.
1:09:27
Brett gets him on the top, hits him with the superplex very
1:09:29
quickly, very fast, very vicious, gets a 2 count.
1:09:33
He then just quickly, he knows what's Davey, he's there for the
1:09:35
taking. He puts him straight into a
1:09:37
crucifix pin. No, sorry, powers out.
1:09:45
Brett Powers out of a. Crucifix, sorry hits.
1:09:47
Him with some hard rights and some forearms.
1:09:51
That's when Brett hits him with the crucifix for the.
1:09:53
Win the 123. I also loved how Davey kicks out
1:09:58
at like 4 if that makes sense. So like Davey kicks out at 4:00
1:10:05
and. It's sort of.
1:10:05
It doesn't leave the finishing. Doubt.
1:10:07
But it's a bit like Davey Neri got out of it, and that's why I
1:10:10
think Davey does not. Davey looks sad and he's
1:10:12
despondent, but he's not like, angry.
1:10:14
He's not angry about it, but he knows that Brett's just got him,
1:10:17
only just got him, if that makes sense.
1:10:19
Yeah. And because of like, like you
1:10:20
say, how kind of you know? Brackets busted open, you're off
1:10:23
the races, the double clotheslines.
1:10:25
There's a problem on the outside, there's pile drivers,
1:10:27
there's brain Busters. This kind of is a finish that
1:10:31
comes out of nowhere, doesn't it?
1:10:32
It's essentially A roll up and that ends the match.
1:10:34
And I think that kind of adds to it because when I was watching I
1:10:37
was going, oh, it's finished. Like I didn't expect it to end
1:10:39
like that. So I think it's it's it was
1:10:42
quite good because I'd like it came from nowhere.
1:10:46
No, it certainly did. I like that.
1:10:47
Because it was a bit like. The crucifixes, the way he
1:10:51
blocks it in. Like it's pretty tight.
1:10:53
So it's hard for they want to get out of because of the
1:10:55
beating he's took and like, you know what I mean?
1:10:57
Like, yeah, but then David does nearly got out of it and it's
1:11:00
almost a Brett put a strategy to go to hang in there and then
1:11:03
beat him and then get out of town, which, you know, I really
1:11:06
enjoyed that psychology look at Brett style and it kind of gives
1:11:11
it like Brett only just. Survived them as well.
1:11:12
Do you know what? I mean, the kind of bad bloody
1:11:14
champion had to kind of dig into his bag of tricks and pull out a
1:11:17
rollover from nowhere just to get the job done.
1:11:19
So it does. It kind of tells its own good
1:11:21
little story. Doesn't need enough a few that
1:11:23
leaves it like. Absolutely leaves Davey in a
1:11:26
better place than it was when he went in the match.
1:11:28
A 100%. Because I say I mean.
1:11:32
And this wasn't a time where I've got like a massive memory
1:11:35
of it, the kind of the week to week.
1:11:36
But I felt like at the start the crowd were quite lukewarm to
1:11:38
him. So yeah, by the end of it, like
1:11:41
he came across as like he could actually believe with the
1:11:43
championship here tonight. And yeah, it's one of those ones
1:11:46
where there was no losers in that match.
1:11:48
Both men kind of come out that looking strong.
1:11:51
No, they certainly did. So yeah, again.
1:11:53
It featured rare. Intense blood for the era.
1:11:56
It had great drama. We've got a finish.
1:11:58
Red Bull, though, kicked out just after the three count
1:12:00
leaving. Sort of not the match in doubt,
1:12:03
but like Davey, Neri kicked out. So when Nelly went longer, I
1:12:07
thought Brett looked great. Davey looked great.
1:12:09
The drama was fantastic. Diana being there added
1:12:12
something the way they'd use the camera angles to do that.
1:12:15
Cornett added something being there.
1:12:17
Thought the comedy was fantastic.
1:12:18
You know, Jerry Lawler, you know, say what you want about
1:12:20
him, but he's he's a great heel commentator.
1:12:23
We know he hasn't liked. Brett since 92.
1:12:26
And he's still hinting that now Vince again, Vince putting
1:12:30
better over big time with his commentary as well doing the
1:12:32
opposite. You know, I think just a good
1:12:35
proper masterpiece of old school professional wrestlers were all
1:12:38
thought no definitely any cute. You kind of right to mention the
1:12:41
kind of coming off the back. Of the casket match, where I
1:12:43
think the crowd were a bit flat at first at the beginning of the
1:12:46
match and the kind of shows kind of how good, you know, Bret in
1:12:49
particular is we're kind of by the end you'd more than won them
1:12:53
round. And it's it's a hot spot being
1:12:55
really coming off the bat of a gimmick match like that.
1:12:57
You normally have a bit of filler.
1:12:59
So no. Is this kind of testament that
1:13:00
like everyone was massively invested in that by the end?
1:13:03
Yeah, I think that's important, you know, when when they've been
1:13:05
on such a high. Of the casket match you need to
1:13:08
bring the audience back down and that's what they do for the
1:13:09
first like 10 minutes and then it's like, right, we've calmed
1:13:13
them all down now let's take them back up to 1 big high
1:13:16
before we go home. Perfect.
1:13:18
Yeah. Because absolutely, yeah.
1:13:19
Because last week's watch. That we bought did the three
1:13:21
stages of hell because I watched the whole pay-per-view.
1:13:23
You had the three stages of hell, then you had right to
1:13:26
censor Stevie Richards versus Jerry Lawler before he got the
1:13:29
rock and angle. So they didn't have that luxury
1:13:31
in your house. They didn't have a Stevie
1:13:33
Richards, Jerry Lawler filler much indeed.
1:13:36
And I think like the stories. That MJBL tells about Guerrero
1:13:39
when they were working the 1st house was together and then
1:13:42
Eddie was like in a headlock he's like keep us in here and
1:13:45
he's. Like nobody like do.
1:13:46
Some suplexes. Now he's like, no, no, like the
1:13:48
crowd have just seen again the Undertaker.
1:13:50
The crowd have just seen the Undertaker.
1:13:52
Like the high is out. We need to calm them down before
1:13:55
we go back up. And then JBL learned not like
1:13:57
working with Eddie. Like, do you know what I mean?
1:13:59
JBL is already a probe by that point.
1:14:01
But like, you know, people like Eddie, the people who love the
1:14:03
business and understand it in their blood, you know, like the
1:14:07
hearts do, like the Guerreros, you know, you could see the
1:14:09
roads, the Samoans, you know that, you understand that.
1:14:12
Like you know you could be in a different scenario on there and
1:14:15
you do different things to. Sort of work the.
1:14:17
Work the crowd back up. Like I said, I think it was
1:14:20
fantastic. Yeah, we need to get an Eddie
1:14:22
match in here soon because he is one of my.
1:14:23
All time favourites and I feel like, yeah, we'll haven't we
1:14:25
talk about any much. So yeah, we'll definitely get
1:14:27
him in there soon. No, we do indeed.
1:14:31
So that is an end. To a moment in time and we're
1:14:34
going to move into did they really say that?
1:14:36
So you look caught, you know, could be from a live like a
1:14:41
wrestling broadcast company from autobiography and magazine
1:14:43
interview. It could be used in storyline.
1:14:45
It could be from a shoot, could be anything.
1:14:48
And I've chosen this week's and it is a Jim Ross piece of
1:14:52
commentary, Luke, but it is from AW.
1:14:57
Right. OK, so quite recent.
1:14:59
Yes, so I think obviously. At this point, you know, GR is a
1:15:05
older man, I suppose, you know, he's been brought in to add sort
1:15:08
of some legitimacy, maybe the W, but there's there's a few
1:15:11
occasions where he does sort of there's bits where he makes
1:15:14
mistakes and he calls like WWE Dynamite one time.
1:15:17
That's not what I'm going to say.
1:15:18
There's bits when he refers to the championship as the WWE
1:15:21
Championship. And you know, that can happen as
1:15:22
an old man, right? Uncommon.
1:15:23
You can make mistakes. But I'm going to focus on
1:15:27
there's a bit in a match. So this is a casino battle royal
1:15:29
match, I believe. And the sort of camera cuts to
1:15:33
Anna Jay and she's sort of adjusting her top straps.
1:15:38
And that's why the doc or that Stuart Grayson tried to keep
1:15:40
that away from Brandy Rhodes. And Jim Ross says, did Anna Jay
1:15:45
have a wardrobe malfunction? What is that?
1:15:47
Wishful thinking in my book? Well, you know, he's a widowed
1:15:52
man. I just think that's something
1:15:56
we'd. Probably expect the king to say,
1:15:57
right, Yeah, I think it's just kind of.
1:16:01
You know, leave, leave the football before the football
1:16:04
leaves. You leave the commentary before
1:16:05
the court. Do you know what I mean?
1:16:06
I think it's just that he's old. He's he's had a hard couple of
1:16:09
years that I say his wife. I kind of made it all that was a
1:16:12
weird old man. But no, it was horrible.
1:16:13
Do you know his wife died unexpectedly?
1:16:16
And if you look on his Twitter, he does quite like favorite and
1:16:19
porn stars. So it's like if you do your
1:16:21
research, it's not that surprising.
1:16:23
But yeah, I think it just shines a light on it, doesn't it?
1:16:26
That like he's one of the all time great, but there's just not
1:16:30
really a space for him, is there any more for.
1:16:32
For multiple reasons. And that's kind of quite a
1:16:34
painfully glaring one. Yeah.
1:16:37
I feel like obviously you can't see that on television and now.
1:16:40
I get that. I don't think he's meant it as
1:16:42
like, I want to see her like have a wardrobe malfunction.
1:16:46
I think he said it as like an entertaining line or he's that's
1:16:51
how he's intended it to be like probably in the style of the
1:16:54
king in the 90s. He did tweet, which has since
1:16:58
been deleted. Like didn't mean to offend
1:16:59
anyone on the wardrobe malfunction line.
1:17:00
We get tempted humour. Sorry.
1:17:02
Now lighten up is what he said. And then they were deleted.
1:17:06
But yeah, I just think, did he really say that He.
1:17:10
Did like, what's your thoughts do you think?
1:17:11
He was being a perv or do you think he was just trying to
1:17:13
entertain people and got it, got it wrong?
1:17:17
I think. I think he is a.
1:17:18
Probably is a little bit of a perv.
1:17:20
But I think he was just trying to entertain people like, you
1:17:22
know what I mean? He has a lot, he had a long
1:17:24
career. But like you say, what most
1:17:25
people know him for us from a partnership with the King during
1:17:27
the Attitude Era. So I think again, it just kind
1:17:30
of goes back to what I said where it's kind of like it's
1:17:31
just, you know, time's moved on. He's an old man.
1:17:34
Like, you know, my granddad's no longer with us.
1:17:36
But like, if I'd go, if I used to go to the pub with him for a
1:17:38
pint, he would say things that were inappropriate.
1:17:41
But like, as he said, no, no offence was meant.
1:17:44
And I think people sometimes say that's not a good enough excuse.
1:17:47
But yeah, it was he's from a different generation and I just,
1:17:52
I never, I think it brings up a more interesting point that
1:17:54
like, I don't think he's ever been a good fit for AW, do you?
1:18:00
I think it was. I can see why they did it and.
1:18:03
I think I would probably done the same as if it was me running
1:18:06
the company and Joe was available.
1:18:08
You'll get him because I think you're trying to legitimize your
1:18:11
product and add the voice of a generation to it.
1:18:13
But yeah, like if that voice is no longer like what it was, the
1:18:18
brain capacity is longer what it was then like then, yeah.
1:18:21
And I think, you know, I think. They've got some great
1:18:26
commentators there like I think they've had.
1:18:28
Cars on there, obviously. Say what you want about I've got
1:18:31
his name. The masked man though?
1:18:33
Forget Excalibur, I think he's a Scalibar.
1:18:36
Say that again and he's a fucking tit.
1:18:39
He's a. Grown man who's wearing.
1:18:40
A fucking lucha mask doing commentary.
1:18:43
I get that, but I think you know on commentary.
1:18:46
Like he makes sense and he talks.
1:18:49
About things that are happening so like.
1:18:51
He does a good job. He's the type of thing, though.
1:18:54
It's kind of like that meme, isn't it?
1:18:56
It's. Like this is what I watch when
1:18:57
I'm watching wrestling and it's like fucking Brett versus Sean.
1:19:00
This is what happens when my dad walks in the room and it's like
1:19:03
a fucking blocks at a commentary table with a lucha mask on.
1:19:05
I just think it looks fucking stupid.
1:19:07
Like if real Mysterio does it, it's real Mysterio.
1:19:09
But like he's got no fucking like pedigree in that area.
1:19:13
So I just say it's fucking stupid, yes, but yeah.
1:19:18
So I think other. Other than that, you know,
1:19:19
obviously they've got Nigel McGuinness.
1:19:21
On there, I think he's he's fantastic.
1:19:23
Like, but yeah, but no, they have got good commentators so I
1:19:27
can see why they went with Jim Ross.
1:19:30
But I think wants to realize he's like, not so good then
1:19:34
like, yeah, you need to move him out.
1:19:36
He also said he went through the loss of his wife.
1:19:38
He also went through like multiple cancer treatments I
1:19:40
think on his legs and stuff. So no, that's what I'm going
1:19:43
through a lot during this time as well.
1:19:44
I'm still turning. To work by the way and
1:19:46
commenting. No, 100%.
1:19:48
I think it's one of those ones where.
1:19:50
If you just wanted to be black and white, do you want to judge
1:19:51
them negatively or like, do you know, do you condemn them or do
1:19:54
you give them the kind of benefit that doubt?
1:19:55
I think you give them the benefit of the doubt, don't you?
1:19:58
I mean, there's a lot worse you could have said.
1:20:01
Exactly and I. Can't see anywhere where like
1:20:03
energy is like say anything. About, you know, like the fact
1:20:05
who he was talking about and she hasn't come on settle and fair
1:20:08
enough, I suppose. Yeah.
1:20:10
And he has tried to come out and apologize.
1:20:12
You did apologize and then he deleted it so.
1:20:17
That is an end of that. I think it's ready for Cursed by
1:20:19
the wrestling gods, Luke. Yeah.
1:20:21
So I've chose this week's. I thought after you picked.
1:20:23
Brett versus Davey, I thought we'll kind of continue that
1:20:27
theme and Cursed by the Wrestling Gods this week I've
1:20:29
gone for, I've gone for Davey Boy Smith, the British Bulldog.
1:20:32
So it's quite a bit of 1-1 more lengthy ones.
1:20:35
So kind of starting off with the basics.
1:20:37
He was born David Smith, 20th of November 1962 in Gold Border,
1:20:41
Lancashire, cousin of the Dynamite Kid Bournemouth.
1:20:44
Measles in his eyes, which led him getting bullied as a kid.
1:20:47
So you know, kind of how to grow up tough.
1:20:49
And then again, because this is one of the things where US and
1:20:52
UK differs, doesn't it? In the US you kind of normally
1:20:54
have to be 16, if not 18 to start training.
1:20:56
In the UK, there's been a lot of guys who've started a lot
1:20:59
earlier. So Davy started at the age of 13
1:21:02
after his dad and granddad realized that he needed to be
1:21:05
involved in something positive to kind of keep him on the right
1:21:08
track. Which I think is quite an
1:21:09
interesting point, isn't it? That, you know, you're kind of
1:21:12
your parents can see that you've got something in your way, like
1:21:15
you need to kind of be channelling your energy for
1:21:17
good. Do you know what I mean?
1:21:19
Definitely. I think that's very common.
1:21:22
Amongst wrestlers sitting this generation where it's like
1:21:24
you're either going to go to jail and be a murderer or like
1:21:26
you'll be a professional wrestler, yeah, it's kind of
1:21:30
missing a Gaza a bit. Well, like the worst thing guys
1:21:32
I could have was time on his hands.
1:21:34
So yeah, I thought it was quite interesting that kind of at an
1:21:36
early age he got put into wrestling as kind of something
1:21:38
to focus his energy in a positive way.
1:21:40
Made his World of Sport debut really early, Did that in 1978.
1:21:44
So he was only 15 and he wrestled into the name of Young
1:21:47
David, which for 15 year olds, quite on the nose isn't it,
1:21:50
Young David. During this time, though, he was
1:21:53
spotted by Bruce. Hart who?
1:21:55
Was out there scouting the UK for talent for Stampede and then
1:22:00
he was brought over to Canada where he was trained in the
1:22:03
dungeon and wrestled for Stampede.
1:22:05
Early days of Stampede, he had a feud with Dynamite Kid, wins the
1:22:08
British Commonwealth Mid Heavyweights Championship, which
1:22:11
is quite a mouthful. In 1983 he made his debut in New
1:22:15
Japan and then the British Bulldogs start.
1:22:18
So kind of, you know, he's really young.
1:22:20
He's kind of been on TV or in the UKA little bit because that
1:22:23
back then as well, for like people who aren't that, well,
1:22:25
this world of sport was massive, wasn't it?
1:22:27
Certainly for the UK wrestling audience, yeah.
1:22:29
Yeah, so that'd be like for the UK, like that was getting huge
1:22:32
figures. So it kind of be on that 50 and
1:22:34
that must have been quite a trip.
1:22:35
Like I bet that was quite, quite a lot to handle, like mentally.
1:22:39
And then let's say he goes with Canada, 1983 British Bulldogs
1:22:42
start 1984 Vince buys out Stampede, He brings in Brett
1:22:47
Hart, Jim the Anvil and both Bulldogs in the same with the
1:22:51
WWE. The kind of wrestle on we TV as
1:22:55
the British Bulldogs, that's the Dynamite Kid and Davey managed
1:22:58
by Captain Lou Albano. So you won't given a bit of kind
1:23:00
of wrestling royalty to kind of get them in there.
1:23:02
The feud with the Hearts as well as kind of Greg Valentine and
1:23:06
Brutish the Barber Beefcake at WrestleMania 2 with Ozzy
1:23:10
Osbourne in their corner. The beat Valentine and Beefcakes
1:23:13
have become the tag team championships.
1:23:15
So kind of again, they've not been in the company long and
1:23:17
they've won the tag team titles. So kind of as a start kind of in
1:23:21
the rest of the world. How do you think that?
1:23:22
Kind of how do you think that's gone so far for him?
1:23:25
I think he's got to travel the world and learn different styles
1:23:27
in Japan. Canada and the UK, and then he's
1:23:30
at WrestleMania 2. You know, WrestleMania, this
1:23:32
points the biggest show on the planet.
1:23:34
He's got Ozzy Osbourne, the biggest Rockstar on the planet,
1:23:36
in his corner and they win the belts right against 2 legends.
1:23:39
Yeah, and they're then going to hold them belts for 9.
1:23:42
Months and eventually drop it to Brett and Jim.
1:23:45
At this point, Matilda has the fray.
1:23:47
For those that don't know, Matilda is an actual British
1:23:49
Bulldog who gets brought to the ring with them.
1:23:52
I've got a big fan of Matilda. I used to have a little figure
1:23:54
of her from a 2 pack but I lost her.
1:23:57
Anybody if you've got a spare? Matilda, send it to the podcast.
1:24:00
And we'll reunite Luke with Matilda.
1:24:03
We'll have it as our official mascot for the podcast if anyone
1:24:06
has. A it's a Jack specific.
1:24:07
I remember that was part of the classics range at Jack specific
1:24:09
Matilda. So yes, we have another dog
1:24:12
called Winston. Or if I made that up.
1:24:14
Oh, I don't. Know when I was doing a bit
1:24:16
research I didn't see a Winston. Mentioned but I mean Winston
1:24:19
Churchill British Bulldogs are fits.
1:24:21
Mandela Effect happening again, or it happened one of the two?
1:24:25
We'll we'll look into that after we'll correct ourselves.
1:24:28
Next week so again yeah so I like really fast start you know
1:24:31
on TV in the UK 15 that you see travels the world comes in at WA
1:24:35
hot 9 month room with the Derby tag team titles.
1:24:38
Let's say a bear in mind he was signed in 19841988.
1:24:41
He leaves WWE for the first time.
1:24:44
This is due a backstage problems, mainly from his tag
1:24:47
team partner Dynamite Kid, and that stemmed from the infamous
1:24:51
incident with Rougel where I think it ended up getting some
1:24:56
coins in a sock didn't, and smashing his teeth out.
1:24:59
Yeah, I think so, yeah. So kind of leaves W.
1:25:02
Under a cloud, but it's more. The cloud and Dynamite, but
1:25:05
they're A tag team so they leave together that's a dynamite kid
1:25:09
resigns Dave. He follows them they will bat
1:25:11
Stampede in new Japan. The Bulldogs split in this time.
1:25:15
And then this is the first bit where kind of bit of other than
1:25:18
kind of walking out of a job, but a real tragedy hit.
1:25:20
So he's after a Stampede wrestling show.
1:25:22
He's driving with Chris Benoit, Ross Hart and Jason the
1:25:25
Terrible. They're in a car crash.
1:25:27
He's not wearing a seat belt. He's thrown through the
1:25:29
windscreen and goes 25 feet across the ground.
1:25:32
And he's required 35 stitch, 135 stitches after that car crash.
1:25:37
That's pretty nasty, isn't it? Very nasty.
1:25:40
Yeah, so after. This kind of incident.
1:25:43
Is rehab. The Bulldogs do get back
1:25:44
together, but they're not getting on.
1:25:47
So Davey Boy resigns with the WWE in 1990 without the
1:25:50
Dynamite, Kid read every debuts as the British Bulldog, which
1:25:55
he'd actually trademarked during his time during the tag team
1:25:59
run. Which kind of stops Dynamite
1:26:01
from using it and kind of ends that friendship forever.
1:26:03
Did you know that he did that? I knew, Like, some of that,
1:26:07
Yeah. And I knew.
1:26:07
That the, that the. I know I have Tom Benning and
1:26:11
Dynamite Kid did get very bitter over British Bulldog.
1:26:15
Yeah. I wonder who told him a
1:26:16
trademark it? Because he's quite young and
1:26:18
that's, that's quite savvy, isn't it?
1:26:20
That's like a Stew heart in his ear or something.
1:26:23
That's about say, I think someone likes to Hots probably
1:26:26
teaching these. Things in the dungeon and on the
1:26:27
road. Yeah, because it is a savvy
1:26:29
thing to do. You could argue a bit of a
1:26:30
dickhead thing. Really as well, but obviously it
1:26:32
works in his favour because obviously not only does he get a
1:26:34
re debut in the WE, but it's kind of it's someone that the
1:26:37
fans are going to remember whether you know, yes, it was in
1:26:40
A tag team, but you know the British bulldog, it's got a big
1:26:42
ring to it. So first match button WWE beats
1:26:45
everyone's favorite WWE journeyman Brooklyn Brawler kind
1:26:48
of mid Carter for a while has a long feud with the warlord.
1:26:51
Who was Dave Batista's favorite wrestler?
1:26:55
Is he? He is.
1:26:56
Yeah, he didn't interview and he said it's.
1:26:58
Because like again. Kind of that thing of like when
1:27:01
everyone looked like monsters. I think he just said you
1:27:02
remember turn on the TV and he saw this guy who was an actual
1:27:05
warlord with like the gimmick and just like fell in love with
1:27:08
wrestling from seeing the warlords.
1:27:10
So yeah, David T said is often cite him is one of his
1:27:13
favourites. So Davey has kind of a long made
1:27:15
called feud with him. At this point though WE takes
1:27:18
off in the UK due to Sky getting the rights.
1:27:21
So WE is taking off big time in the UK and obviously British
1:27:25
Bulldog is one of our own. That leads to a huge popularity
1:27:28
for Davey over here as well, which takes us to August 29th,
1:27:32
1992, which is Summer Slam at Wembley with the famous match of
1:27:37
Brett versus Davey for the IC title. 80,000 fans in
1:27:41
attendance. Davey gets walked of the ring by
1:27:43
Lennox newest, a famous famous match and he wins the IC title.
1:27:47
So kind of at this point, like not knowing what we know about
1:27:50
Davey, what would you have predicted?
1:27:52
Kind of his career goes from this.
1:27:54
There's kind of huge homecoming again, he's got celebrities in
1:27:57
his corner, beats one of the best wrestlers in the company,
1:27:59
IC champion. What do you think?
1:28:01
Kind of what do you think the future should like for someone
1:28:04
in Davies position at this point, right?
1:28:06
He's just main event into some Aslam by winning the.
1:28:08
Intercontinental title and that's how over he was certainly
1:28:11
in Europe in the UK, right. So really the the world should
1:28:14
be his ISA. So over the next few years he
1:28:16
should become the WWE champion at some point and you know,
1:28:19
probably be in that main event pitcher for the rest of his
1:28:22
career 100% and you know, obviously you can go into a
1:28:25
longer. Argument about what the IC title
1:28:27
means today in 2026. But back then it was a big deal,
1:28:30
wasn't it? If you had an IC title run, you
1:28:33
were kind of yeah, Mark, definitely, at least for kind of
1:28:35
a potential world title run. It was almost like a test drive.
1:28:37
So yeah, everything should have been great.
1:28:39
So like bearing in mind this was on the 29th of August in 90, two
1:28:43
14th of November, 92 drops the belt to Shawn Michaels and he is
1:28:46
then released at the back end of November.
1:28:49
So what's that? September, October.
1:28:51
So within three months of kind of the biggest moment of his
1:28:55
career in front of 80,000 people he's released.
1:28:57
Can you remember why he's released?
1:28:59
I'm assuming it possibly is narcotics related.
1:29:03
It is, yeah. So it's it's a bit unlucky so.
1:29:05
Him and Ultimate Warrior were receiving illegal shipments of
1:29:08
steroids from a doctor in England, but it was at a time
1:29:11
where Vince was also going through his own steroid trial.
1:29:16
So I think there's an argument to be hard that if Vince wasn't
1:29:19
going through that trial, does he get released?
1:29:22
Definitely not. No, I don't think so.
1:29:24
Either. So kind of, yeah, it's kind of.
1:29:26
Really bad timing, you know, knock on down and steroids, but
1:29:28
I think if Vince wasn't going through what he was going
1:29:30
through, Davey Boy Smith doesn't get released three months after
1:29:33
that huge summer slam. And it wasn't just that's on
1:29:35
trial, right? It was like the FBI.
1:29:37
Wanted to put Vince in jail for years.
1:29:39
Not that was what we were trying to do.
1:29:40
So like I'm not surprised that they couldn't even release them
1:29:44
because like your owner, we are expecting our owner to go to
1:29:48
jail here and then somehow we didn't.
1:29:50
But like Cos Hogan saved the day, right?
1:29:52
But hang core. But but yeah, like that's how
1:29:54
serious it was. Vince was thinking he's going to
1:29:56
go away for like 9 years. So I'm not surprised that like
1:30:00
act fast Yan, it doesn't matter if we built DFV open is going to
1:30:03
be the next big thing. Like if they've done that, we
1:30:06
need to get rid of them. Did was warrior Was warrior
1:30:08
released as well? I think we had already kind.
1:30:12
Of like left, he was in the process.
1:30:14
Of one of his exits. So I think Warrior did the job
1:30:16
for them, But it wouldn't surprise me if it was one of
1:30:18
those ones where when they released Davey, it was kind of
1:30:20
said like, look, just give it a year.
1:30:23
Yeah, like, do you want me? Like it might not have ended.
1:30:25
Like badly like they. Weren't like pissed off with
1:30:27
them. It's just say, look, this is
1:30:28
what's going on. But yeah, but massively, look,
1:30:30
you were like, I say, you wouldn't think after winning
1:30:32
that icy title match in such a huge way that three months later
1:30:35
I wouldn't be with the company. So that's it.
1:30:38
That's the back end of 92. January 93, he signs with WCWCW,
1:30:43
debuts a super brawl, beating Wild Bill Irwin, forms an
1:30:47
alliance with Sting and has some pretty high card matches against
1:30:49
Vera and Sid. So you had the team of Sting in
1:30:52
the Bulldog versus Vera and Sid. This led to a Slumberry match
1:30:56
where he battled Vera for the world title, which he did win,
1:30:59
but it was by DQ. He also beats Vera again for the
1:31:02
world title in England, but this is reversed.
1:31:05
Then again, only seven months into kind of this WCW run, in
1:31:09
July, he has an altercation with a man in a bar.
1:31:11
Beat him up pretty badly apparently.
1:31:13
Apparently stems from him hitting on his wife and he
1:31:15
didn't appreciate it. The legal issues that kind of
1:31:19
stem from this kind of assault in a bar lead to WWWCW releasing
1:31:23
them in December of that year. So again, signs with WCW in
1:31:27
January kind of going for the world title middle of the year,
1:31:30
teaming with legends like Sting, then by December he's gone kind
1:31:33
of what do you think about WCW releasing them because of that
1:31:37
altercation? Fair.
1:31:40
I mean, if he's brought the company into.
1:31:41
Disrespect. And then I don't.
1:31:43
Know the insurance and outs of the thing.
1:31:44
But like, yeah, I think if you've, if you've caused a big
1:31:48
drama and you've assaulted. Somebody and then.
1:31:50
It's the piece were involved then and you company know about
1:31:54
it then. Like, yeah, they might they
1:31:55
might look to do that. And I think, you know, while he
1:31:58
was working with the likes of Sting and fighting for the world
1:32:00
title, he wasn't Sting, right. So like, yeah, they'll probably
1:32:05
have had to cut ties with him and then they'll know what
1:32:09
happened with the steroids. And they'll know why do we
1:32:10
release them? So the party might be thinking,
1:32:12
oh, well, maybe he does have a bad streak here.
1:32:14
And it goes back to sort of what his parents said.
1:32:16
We need them wrestling because he needs to use his energy
1:32:19
because he obviously is using his energy for bad things.
1:32:23
And do you think as well kind? Of there's a bit of.
1:32:25
Unluckiness with it, where this is a guy who like was said, got
1:32:28
his start on TV at 50 and travels the world kind of
1:32:32
clearly has been used in steroids kind of has these kind
1:32:35
of violent altercations in a bar.
1:32:36
Do you think if you had a wrestler like that now with this
1:32:39
kind of potential, there'd be more of an arm around the
1:32:42
shoulder, like, right, we're going to get you to rehab,
1:32:45
right? Like, do you, I mean, like, do
1:32:46
you feel like this mental kind of like, you know, do you think
1:32:49
there's a lack of understanding of like why he was doing the
1:32:52
things because of the era that it was in?
1:32:54
And do you think that's a bit unlucky?
1:32:56
No, maybe he's been too nice that he's just been.
1:32:59
Do you know what I mean? No, wrestlers are talking about
1:33:01
rehab in the 90s. That's not happening, no.
1:33:03
Companies are even talking about that.
1:33:04
In the 90s companies would all that talk about the rest has
1:33:07
been a problem rather than wrestling being the problem.
1:33:10
Where I think now the companies have admitted that the wrestling
1:33:12
lifestyle can cause problems and that's why they need off our
1:33:15
rehab. But I think a lot of that only
1:33:17
comes off the back of what them or does, which hasn't happened
1:33:19
yet. Yeah.
1:33:20
So, yeah. So I think like, you know,
1:33:22
taking steroids, getting. In fights and bars it's not
1:33:24
great behaviour, but I do think the might of being a little bit
1:33:27
more of an arm around the shoulder if this was someone
1:33:29
going through that day. So obviously I say release from
1:33:31
WCW December of 93 goes by the England where he's kind of
1:33:36
pegged to replace Big Daddy, who just retired.
1:33:38
But the scene's dead by this point.
1:33:40
World of Sport isn't getting the figures it was getting when
1:33:42
young David was on the scene. So August 94, eight months after
1:33:45
his WCW, WEC returns back to the WWE and go straight into the
1:33:50
feud that's going on with Brett and Owen.
1:33:53
So you've got Davey Boy and Brett kind of against Owen and
1:33:56
Jim, so a kind of mix up of the old Heart Foundation against
1:33:59
kind of Brett and Davey. But do you have much memories of
1:34:02
this being the big Brett Hart fan that you are?
1:34:05
Yeah, I remember it being like, like the heart.
1:34:07
All over television at this point.
1:34:08
So like Stu was involved in the crowd.
1:34:10
He's Martha was like I said that they'll get the wives involved
1:34:14
and like Owen was doing some awesome heel work and obviously
1:34:18
was like turning the family against Brett and it was like,
1:34:21
don't all that time was quite a long storyline.
1:34:24
No, it was. So can I say he was brought in
1:34:26
with this feud? He was kind of ringside and part
1:34:29
of the match. I saw Brett drop the title to
1:34:30
Bob Backlund and then kind of Rumble 95 rolls around where him
1:34:34
and Sean start at 1:00 and 2:00. And then the final two men in
1:34:38
the match are Sean and Davey. Even a point where Davey thinks
1:34:41
he's witness the one where Sean kind of gets back in the ring
1:34:44
because his feet hasn't touched the ground and gets the win.
1:34:46
So again, kind of for someone who kind of left under a bit of
1:34:49
a cloud is a bit of a mid card. He's kind of come back in strong
1:34:51
here, hasn't he, getting in there kind of with Sean in the
1:34:54
Rumble and be in the final two. Yeah.
1:34:56
I think like that's such a like the start.
1:34:58
One and two in the finish 29 and 30, like A it shows you just how
1:35:03
good of a wrestling war, but B, it shows you just how much the
1:35:05
company love you to trust you. Yeah.
1:35:07
And I think to do that, start one and two, finish one and two.
1:35:10
They've essentially built the match around you having the, you
1:35:13
know, it's, you know, the Royal Rumble, 1 of the biggest matches
1:35:15
of the year for WWE. For him to have that kind of
1:35:17
built around him after kind of being away and coming back, it's
1:35:20
definitely kind of a positive for him, isn't it?
1:35:22
So kind of after that Rumble, he joins forces with Lex Luger, the
1:35:26
allied allied powers, the win the belts from Owen and Yokozuna
1:35:29
at that year's WrestleMania. At this point in the kind of
1:35:32
classic period of time in America, the the crowd starts to
1:35:36
turn against him purely because he's British.
1:35:38
So you get the kind of you don't get it as much now deal with
1:35:40
kind of, you know, in inverted commas foreign wrestlers where
1:35:44
the crowd trance USA, but the crowd are kind of slowly
1:35:47
starting to turn on bulldog with the USA chance.
1:35:49
So he ends up feuding with Luga. Obviously the crowd are chanting
1:35:53
USA Adam. What type of matches do you
1:35:55
think he had with Luga? I'm.
1:35:59
Going to see there were probably.
1:36:02
Is that a trick? Is that like out this world
1:36:03
matches or no? No, as in like, what kind of
1:36:06
gimmick matches do you think? You might have done a lot of
1:36:08
with Luga when the crowd's chanting USA Adam like flag
1:36:11
matches, flag matches, that's the one, so.
1:36:13
He has a lot of USA so they kind.
1:36:15
Of use the crowd turning to kind of do a UK versus USA feud with
1:36:18
Luga when that kind of dies down.
1:36:21
This is where he aligns with Cornet in your house for he has
1:36:24
a title shot against Diesel. Again, he wins it, but it's by
1:36:27
DQ. So there's kind of a running
1:36:28
theme here of them getting put in title matches and also but
1:36:32
why he doesn't walk out with the title, the wanting to protect
1:36:34
them next title match after Diesel.
1:36:37
In your house 5 and that's. Against Brett, which we've
1:36:40
covered in a lot of deal just gone there following one Rumble.
1:36:43
He's in the final for the Rumble again.
1:36:45
After this, he has a feud with Shawn Michaels for the WWE
1:36:49
title. This one resolves around maybe
1:36:51
he's a bit too close to home. Shawn Michaels hitting on
1:36:53
Bulldog's wife. Do you think that was a fair
1:36:55
storyline to run with after his past troubles?
1:36:58
Probably not known as. Probably helps break.
1:37:00
His mind even more than that. And you think Shawn might have
1:37:03
had no one? Sure.
1:37:05
Who? Sean?
1:37:05
Was but then do you think Sean might have been involved in the
1:37:07
pitching of that angle? I mean, where he was, he wasn't
1:37:10
about. He enjoyed doing it.
1:37:12
Yeah, definitely. So yeah, he got a fuse with Sean
1:37:14
for the title. Doesn't win the title, but
1:37:16
again, kind of, you know, since he's come back, he's being
1:37:18
finished in Rumbles. He's won titles at WrestleMania.
1:37:20
He's been in the world title picture.
1:37:22
Now forms A tag team with Owen. They win the belts from the
1:37:25
Smoking Guns while he's tag team champion.
1:37:27
He wins the first ever European Championship, a new championship
1:37:31
that they bring in beating Owen in the final of that tournament.
1:37:34
The new Heart Foundation is formed and this is to help
1:37:37
Brett, who's feuding with Austin and the classic kind of Brett
1:37:40
Austin feud. Obviously it's you know, it's
1:37:42
it's a long one, but kind of that's kind of one of the huge
1:37:45
rival kind of storylines of Brett's WE career, isn't it?
1:37:48
Kind of the crowd turning on him and Brett and the new Heart
1:37:51
Foundation being quite and the American.
1:37:54
Yeah. And for years, the Heart have
1:37:55
been at each other's throats. Right then it's.
1:37:56
Like he has where they actually all come together.
1:37:59
So like Anvil comes, Davey Boy comes, own comes Brett comes
1:38:03
Pillman joins and it's like probably one of the best
1:38:05
factions of all time. Yeah, definitely.
1:38:08
And obviously I've got a couple of matches.
1:38:10
To recommend and that new Hall Foundation is one of the bad
1:38:12
deal matches I will recommend. Obviously during that kind of
1:38:15
Brett feud the new Hall Foundation, Owen and Davey drop
1:38:19
the belts to Austin and Dude Love.
1:38:21
So not Mankind, not Cat as Jack, it's Mick Foley doing Dude
1:38:24
Loving core. Then he then loses the European
1:38:27
title to HBK. Lot of politics in this match,
1:38:31
obviously fans not happy with it at all to the point that they do
1:38:35
the old classic trope of fill in the ring with the rubbish when
1:38:38
Sean wins the belt. What's your memories of Sean
1:38:40
taking that belt off Davey? Don't really have much.
1:38:44
I think I've wiped it from your memory to be fair.
1:38:46
Yeah. It's one of those ones where I
1:38:47
think that that Sean was definitely.
1:38:49
Involved, I think things were promised to Davey.
1:38:51
If you drop the title that never materialized, and then very soon
1:38:54
after that you get the Montreal Screwdrop.
1:38:57
So obviously Brett leaves the company, the infamous Montreal
1:38:59
Screwjob. Davey buys out his contract so
1:39:02
he can leave with Brett. So good solidarity there.
1:39:04
But you were a fan of that. I am a fan of that, but.
1:39:09
Like maybe. Sure, just.
1:39:11
Stayed there. Yeah.
1:39:14
And I think he was kind of on yeah, because.
1:39:16
Obviously all instead and other people did as well.
1:39:19
Obviously I know Mick resigned fully but then took it back.
1:39:22
So yeah, I think it seems a bit of a heat in the moment thing
1:39:25
where I think that is another kind of bad career move.
1:39:28
Like it's absolutely brilliant that you are to support Brett
1:39:30
like that. But like I said, he's he's doing
1:39:34
well, isn't he? He's in kind of, he's very much
1:39:36
involved in that main event scene and they kind of buy
1:39:39
yourself out the contract. It's yeah, you're putting
1:39:42
yourself out of pocket. And then who knows what will
1:39:44
happen next. But there's probably a caveat
1:39:46
that Brett would get him a job at WCW, which he does turn back
1:39:49
up in WCW in late 97, which obviously is only soon after the
1:39:54
Montreal skew job. However, it's WCW kind of
1:39:58
they're going into that tailspin now where he turns up in 97
1:40:01
doesn't really do anything at all.
1:40:03
April 98, he has a knee injury and he's out for a month.
1:40:07
Then that following September isn't that kind of infamous
1:40:10
moment people might know about with Davey Boy where during a
1:40:12
match. He lands on a trapdoor twice
1:40:15
that's going to get used to bring The Ultimate Warrior out
1:40:18
and this leads to a spinal infection, nearly paralyzes him.
1:40:22
Hospitalized for six months and while he's hospitalized, WCW
1:40:26
terminate his contract. So again, that's.
1:40:31
Definitely a bit of cursed by the.
1:40:32
Wrestling gods, that one. Isn't it because he's kind of
1:40:35
gone to WCW really out of support for Brett Hart, and then
1:40:39
he doesn't get used, and then when he is getting used, he
1:40:41
injured himself on a stupid gimmick?
1:40:44
Yeah. And I think it's definitely
1:40:45
because they don't tell. Him it's there right, so the
1:40:47
trapdoor's there, but they don't tell him so he takes a couple of
1:40:49
bumps on it that leads to he needs back surgery gets
1:40:52
infected. They tell him he might not walk
1:40:55
again. Like not to mention that he
1:40:57
actually managed to come back and wrestle.
1:40:58
Just shows you how hard he worked to get back.
1:41:00
But the recovery? From this surgery is what really
1:41:06
gets him. Addicted to pain pills and
1:41:08
alcohol and like, this is what leads to his death down the
1:41:11
line, sadly. Yeah.
1:41:14
And like I said, I mean hospitalized.
1:41:15
For six months, like that's a long time that you know what I
1:41:18
mean? And like I said, obviously this
1:41:20
is what kind of really leads into that addiction that you've
1:41:22
mentioned. So obviously his contract
1:41:24
terminated again kind of in the way that black men did.
1:41:26
After a long hospitalization, he does get himself back into a
1:41:30
shape where he can compete. September 99, he's back in the
1:41:34
WE. So a year on from that and only
1:41:36
six months after getting out of hospital, really, he's back in
1:41:39
the WE Beats Boss Man for the hardcore title.
1:41:41
You're very much in the attitude here right now.
1:41:43
So you don't have a Union Jack. You don't have the tight.
1:41:46
It's just Davey Boy in a pair of jeans.
1:41:48
So do you think, what did you think of that look?
1:41:50
Do you think it was kind of do you think it felt forced?
1:41:52
Do you think the kind of Union Jack spandex wouldn't have
1:41:54
worked in this era? What was your thought and kind
1:41:56
of Davey being back then 99 with the kind of look that he did?
1:42:00
I liked it because it was it was different.
1:42:03
I think, I think Davey needed to be different at this point.
1:42:05
Like the wrestling world's moved on.
1:42:07
I think the whole breath thing's gone down.
1:42:10
Like, yeah, like be something new if you can.
1:42:13
Like you look $1,000,000 like you're Jack the fuck still,
1:42:15
you're big. Like you wear the jeans look hot
1:42:17
as fuck like and and I think it's not.
1:42:21
The look here that ruins him. Right.
1:42:23
It's the addiction and and his health is what leads to him not
1:42:26
doing much. But I think, I think he looked
1:42:28
great and it looked different. And who's to say down the line
1:42:31
and see if he'd stayed alive and got healthy and wasn't, I'll
1:42:34
like he might have reverted back to Trunks like as we got in like
1:42:36
the early 2000s and 2002, as it moved from attitude direct to
1:42:41
ruthless aggression. I think he would have reverted
1:42:42
back to Trunks. But sadly we don't get there
1:42:45
because he dies before that. And I just think like, yeah,
1:42:56
like. The look I the look I enjoyed
1:42:58
and I'm I'm sure he has a royal rematch as well, doesn't he?
1:43:00
So it's a bit like, well, no, this is what I was going to say.
1:43:03
I mean, I think his looks important.
1:43:04
Because he's always looked jacked, obviously potentially
1:43:06
for bad reasons, but you know, he's always looked the part.
1:43:10
And I think Vince was always a fan of him because if you look,
1:43:12
every time he's been brought in, he's been given stuff.
1:43:14
So I say he's back in September 99, wins the hardcore title of
1:43:16
Boss Man, but gives it all snow straight away, kind of because
1:43:19
the Attitude Era. And he felt sorry for him
1:43:21
because Boss Man made all Snowy his own dog because Attitude
1:43:24
Era. But then straight away after
1:43:25
this he goes into a feud with a Rock for the kind of WF title
1:43:29
and he's part of the Unforgiven 6 man title match with Triple H
1:43:32
wins. So again, he's kind of he's had
1:43:34
this time away, he's had this kind of career and an injury.
1:43:36
He's kind of left WE under a cloud a couple of times.
1:43:38
But every time they've brought him back, they have kind of
1:43:41
pushed him towards the top end of the card.
1:43:46
Yeah, definitely, I agree with. All that and then yes, obviously
1:43:48
he's. Not successful again and win the
1:43:50
world title. But he does win the European
1:43:52
title by beating DLO Brown in October of that year.
1:43:54
So kind of September, Hardcore title, kind of October,
1:43:58
November, he's feuding for the WE title and he wins the
1:44:01
European title, drops out of Val Venus and then no one forced me.
1:44:04
He's kind of off TV for a while. So he's not back then until May
1:44:08
2000 where he wins the Hardcore title, starts a feud on Heat
1:44:12
with Eddie Guerrero in China about them not respecting the
1:44:15
European title. But then he is released in 2000
1:44:19
there kind of just disappears from the wrestling world for a
1:44:22
couple of years. May 2002, he begins training
1:44:25
again to back get back in the ring, has a couple of matches
1:44:27
with his son Harry, who know does make it to the WE as part
1:44:30
of the New Heart Foundation with Tyson Kidd and still wrestling
1:44:33
now. So then, yeah, let's say May
1:44:35
2002, he's kind of getting back in shape, although on the 18th
1:44:39
of May 2002 at 39, he dies of a heart attack, steroids and
1:44:44
painkillers in his system and kind of as part of the post
1:44:47
mortem that said that he had an enlarged heart, which was
1:44:50
probably because of kind of years of steroids abuse.
1:44:52
And that's kind of at the age of 39, the end of the British
1:44:56
Bulldog. So kind of what's your overall
1:44:58
thoughts of the Bulldog then? So I think he had a very.
1:45:03
Long and fruitful career. I thought he had so much
1:45:07
potential to be the world champion in both WCW and WWE.
1:45:11
And I think had he come back in that era when he comes back with
1:45:15
the jeans in the attitude era, like towards the end of it and
1:45:19
he comes back there like healthy and clean.
1:45:22
I think he, I think he ends up coming into the ruthless
1:45:24
regression era and having really good feuds with the likes of
1:45:27
like a young Randy Orton, a young John Cena, those guys.
1:45:30
But obviously he is released and he does pass away because, you
1:45:35
know, he's, he's addicted to painkillers and alcohol and his
1:45:39
body's been through too much and he's abused his body a lot and,
1:45:43
you know, he tragically passes away.
1:45:45
Yeah, I think it is. I think it is one of those ones
1:45:47
where I think. When you look at it, it is just
1:45:49
sad because there's so many moments where even if he dies at
1:45:52
39 still, he could say that he'd been world champion.
1:45:56
I think there was moments where like triggers could have been
1:45:57
pulled that weren't, which kind of often isn't something that he
1:46:00
could have controlled. And one of the things I stood
1:46:03
out was like you say where like if you had to sit around, you go
1:46:05
in the Ruthless Aggression era, there's kind of loads of guys.
1:46:07
I mean, even the last thing you did in WWE, like that feud with
1:46:10
Eddie Guerrero sounds like when I saw that, because I've got no
1:46:12
memory of it, it was like, yeah, I would have quite liked.
1:46:14
We've seen kind of a prime bulldog against the primary
1:46:17
Guerrero. That's pretty cool.
1:46:19
So yeah, there's loads of missed opportunities there.
1:46:21
But it was the age that stuck out to his because, you know, I
1:46:23
think he falls into that category of like, you know, a
1:46:25
lot of wrestlers who died young, but 39 is really young.
1:46:29
Like, I kind of had a quick Google of it afterwards.
1:46:31
Like, if you look at this year's WrestleMania main events, Sam
1:46:34
Punk, Randy Orton, Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes are all older
1:46:38
than 39. So like this is a guy really who
1:46:42
you could say potentially had another 10-15 years in him.
1:46:47
Yeah, definitely I think and in today's.
1:46:48
Wrestling. I think you would because.
1:46:50
The lifestyle's different now and they're a bit more educated
1:46:52
so that it's there's more support of not falling into
1:46:55
those traps. But it's an average turned 37
1:46:59
and I think, you know, I'm not far from 39 and like to think
1:47:03
that I would die in a couple of years time.
1:47:07
Like it's such a young, it's such a young age.
1:47:10
No, it isn't. It seems like it kind of come
1:47:12
out of. Nowhere where like you.
1:47:13
Can say, well, did it ever already come out of nowhere
1:47:15
because of his lifestyle choices?
1:47:16
But I think that'll be unfair. But also, you know, the start of
1:47:19
the month, he's kind of training to get back into the ring to try
1:47:22
and get resigned and things like that.
1:47:24
Then kind of, you know, less than three weeks later he drops
1:47:26
down dead. So yeah, I think it's just one
1:47:28
of those ones where great point by you.
1:47:30
You had a very fruitful career. There's loads of great stuff
1:47:32
that he did and he accomplished and I think he's someone that
1:47:35
kind of in this country, the UK, he kind of did breakthrough the
1:47:40
mainstream. Like he was someone like by Nana
1:47:43
and Granda would have heard of the British Bulldog.
1:47:45
Do I mean, he was like always this wrestler who's like made it
1:47:47
in America and he's someone who I think like people who don't
1:47:51
follow wrestling in this country probably will have heard of the
1:47:54
British Bulldog. Do you think?
1:47:56
Oh, absolutely. I actually agree with that 1%.
1:47:59
Yeah. So that kind of, yeah, more of a
1:48:01
sad. One this time around because
1:48:03
he's no longer with us and it was very young when he died, but
1:48:06
a Stella Korea and just the kind of maybe then on a positive,
1:48:09
just kind of reach out with some matches that I've kind of
1:48:11
watched there this last past week.
1:48:13
So it's a really good one at one night only, which is Bulldog
1:48:16
versus Shawn Michaels. Know that you had good matches
1:48:18
with Shawn King of the ring as well.
1:48:20
There's a good match between Bulldog and Shawn.
1:48:23
And then the other one that always point people the wards
1:48:25
in. I know this is kind of I think
1:48:26
one of your favorite ones isn't a Canadian Stampede with the new
1:48:29
Heart Foundation, the big multi man tag match.
1:48:32
I love in your house Canadian Stampede.
1:48:34
It's fantastic. I think it's one of the greatest
1:48:36
crowds in the history of wrestling and.
1:48:37
I'd like if anyone wanted to kind of say I was wrong about
1:48:41
that, I think I could make good points to do.
1:48:43
I mean that crowds like absolutely unbelievable.
1:48:45
And it's in that and it's cool, isn't it?
1:48:47
Because obviously you've got the whole foundation getting booed
1:48:49
everywhere else, but not in Canada.
1:48:51
I'm not in Calgary. I'm certainly not the Calgary
1:48:53
Stampede like. Yeah.
1:48:55
Not when they're all together, all on the same page, Yeah.
1:48:57
It's a great one. So yeah, obviously the so much
1:48:59
time 92 is the obvious go to, but yeah, I would try to try and
1:49:02
any match here as with Sean's decent to be fair, which is a
1:49:04
shame because of kind of the some of the backstage politics
1:49:07
and who Sean was at the time. But then yeah, also the Canadian
1:49:10
Stampede is kind of all the hearts kind of having their
1:49:13
moment in the sun, isn't it? Which that didn't all get as
1:49:15
much as Brett did for one reason or another.
1:49:19
One. Do you think that you know?
1:49:22
A lot of the hot met tragic ends and you could see David Boyd
1:49:26
Smith, you know, he was married into the Hart family and he
1:49:28
certainly worked with the hearts and was part of the family's
1:49:31
trained there. So I would count him as one of
1:49:33
those Hart brothers, you know, brother in laws.
1:49:36
And he did did meet an early death, sadly and it happened
1:49:39
quite a lot throughout the Hart family.
1:49:40
So, you know, it is a it is a tragic, A tragic family, sadly,
1:49:45
yeah. So RIP Davy.
1:49:46
And if you want to pick. Me up, just watch some of those
1:49:48
matches that were recommended because like I say, and
1:49:50
obviously the match we've talked about for a moment in time,
1:49:53
there's some really good stuff with the Bulldog there.
1:49:55
And I do what I like about him as well, like his promos, like
1:49:57
the rabbit shit, because they were probably like shouty,
1:50:00
stereotypical, what you think like people who don't wrestling
1:50:03
wrestlers talk like. But it kind of worked for him.
1:50:06
Yeah, he was big and jacked. Or he could.
1:50:08
Be big and angry. But he also was like, he didn't
1:50:11
hide his Britishness, right? So I think, I think it worked
1:50:13
for him in that way. No, definitely it made him.
1:50:17
It makes you say it makes. You stood out because it was a
1:50:19
point in time where most people employed by the WWE at that time
1:50:22
were American. So like, that in itself becomes
1:50:25
a unique selling point. And then he had the look and the
1:50:26
ability to back it up as well. So, yeah, a shame that we never
1:50:30
got a world title run for the Bulldog.
1:50:32
It is indeed. That brings us to our last.
1:50:36
Segment which is the pro wrest and feel good.
1:50:38
Factor of the week or moment of the week.
1:50:41
And for me, I've chosen this one based on just a reaction I had
1:50:45
on Monday Night Raw. So watching Monday Night Raw
1:50:47
Netflix and we got like a clip of the new Hulk Hogan
1:50:51
documentary coming to Netflix. So in this documentary, we're
1:50:53
going to see sort of the Life and Times of Hulk Hogan.
1:50:55
It also includes the last ever recorded interview with Hulk
1:50:59
Hogan that no one's seen is on this documentary.
1:51:01
Obviously, I imagine when they were making the doc, they didn't
1:51:03
think you would pass away before it aired, but sadly that
1:51:05
happened. And there's a bit in the
1:51:08
documentary where it cuts to he cuts the Brett hawk and he just
1:51:11
says he's a liar. And now he fluffy chair laughing
1:51:14
because like that's what Brett would say and it's Brett being
1:51:16
Brett and Brett, my guy. So I just I just really just
1:51:19
really made me chuckle that that was just so on brand.
1:51:22
But what's your thoughts on the whole Corgan documentary?
1:51:25
No, I did because you you messages go and I've just
1:51:28
watched the. Trailer Can you guess what part
1:51:29
I laughed out loud at and I hadn't watched it yet And then
1:51:31
when I watched any straight away it was Brett.
1:51:33
Just go and he's a liar. Precious Brett just tells it how
1:51:36
it is. But no, I think it is a good
1:51:37
feel good thing to end on because we kind of talked about
1:51:39
Hogan last week with them kind of going at the Hall of Fame
1:51:41
again for the Andre match. But I love Hulk Hogan and I
1:51:44
think sometimes you've got to separate the kind of the, you
1:51:47
know, the art from the artist. And I think that's something
1:51:49
that Hulk Hogan try to do when things went against him anyways.
1:51:53
You know, whether he he mentions it in this clip and he mentions
1:51:58
it in the Gorka trial documentary, which I didn't mean
1:52:00
you watched again, I didn't remember Live Together that, you
1:52:02
know, Terry Boella and Hulk Hogan are two different people.
1:52:05
So kind of Brett saying he's a liar.
1:52:07
I think Hulk Hogan was a liar, but I think Hulk Hogan was doing
1:52:10
some of those lies on purpose. And I just think the funny and I
1:52:13
think it just kind of adds to the myth of Hulkamania.
1:52:17
And like when I used to drink like one of like one of the
1:52:19
things like when you come home and you have some cans to finish
1:52:21
the night off is that I always put YouTube on and one of he
1:52:24
goes to was one of me always go to was Jim Cornette's podcast
1:52:27
clip where he just runs through like 27 of Hulk Hogan's
1:52:30
licenses, whether or not he thinks the true.
1:52:32
And I just think it's hilarious. So like, I'm really looking
1:52:34
forward to this documentary because kind of they've not like
1:52:37
in that trailer, they've kind of called them out as being a liar.
1:52:40
So I'm intrigued to see how that's kind of portrayed in the
1:52:42
documentary. And I think it's just a nice
1:52:44
little way to end the show because like, I thought this
1:52:46
documentary had been shelved for various reasons.
1:52:49
So the fact that we've got a trail and I think it's going to
1:52:52
be dropped over WrestleMania weekend, I'm buzzing for me.
1:52:55
Yeah, certainly April. So it's April now.
1:52:56
So we're getting at this month. I.
1:52:57
Believe got to do the Mania weekend ties in doesn't it?
1:53:01
Got to be dropped that. Weekend, I reckon, yeah.
1:53:03
So I mean, you've seen Netflix go out with the.
1:53:06
Documentaries, including the WE Untold.
1:53:07
So I think it unreal. Sorry.
1:53:10
So, yeah, so it makes it makes sense.
1:53:12
But yeah, just made me laugh. And I think we're doing what
1:53:15
Brett taught him. Or he's probably referring to
1:53:17
the events at the WrestleMania with Yokozuna and then the
1:53:19
Summer Slam match that never happened.
1:53:22
Well, I feel that was Hulk Hogan probably really telling lies and
1:53:26
then I think obviously Hogan was end of his life would just tell
1:53:28
lies and interviews on purpose just for the laugh of it.
1:53:31
I think like silly lies that didn't really make any sense.
1:53:33
That makes sense. No, definitely.
1:53:35
I mean, I think some of it you will have said.
1:53:36
Where he's like just outright live.
1:53:38
But I do think there was like maybe 60% of it where it was
1:53:41
kind of, it was a Hulk Hogan lie where it just adds to the myth
1:53:45
of Hulkamania. Indeed.
1:53:48
No, Sir, I'm looking for that. Documentary.
1:53:50
But look, I think that brings an end to the episode if you've got
1:53:52
any final thoughts for the listeners.
1:53:55
No, just that kind of lookout because I say we might be
1:53:57
releasing some extra. Content might move and we're
1:53:59
definitely going to be doing some kind of interview series
1:54:01
soon. Won't we're kind of we've got
1:54:03
that in the works. We have indeed.
1:54:05
And then we're also looking for. We're going to be going to our
1:54:09
first away match, is that right? We're going to be going to watch
1:54:11
N wrestling. That's right.
1:54:14
We're going for the NCL Cup on May the 9th.
1:54:16
So if any of our listeners are going to that reach out and we
1:54:18
can kind of say hello. But yeah, so we're going to go
1:54:21
watch that and then we're going to do a little kind of review of
1:54:23
it on. We are indeed.
1:54:25
So I've been at. 2 N shores in the past and they were
1:54:29
fantastic, so I'm not going forward at the NCL Cup.
1:54:32
It's going to be a watching Wrestling was fantastic, but BI
1:54:35
think the actual wrestling we're going to watch is going to be
1:54:37
fantastic. We've been little marked as well
1:54:39
haven't we've paid the extra cost for front.
1:54:41
Row, take my job seriously, aren't we front row, baby?
1:54:44
Yeah, we're going to have to get the pens and the lights on.
1:54:46
Yeah, those lights there, it's fine.
1:54:49
But yeah, put me. I put the hats with the pens in,
1:54:51
put press in so that. They know that we're like
1:54:53
serious journalists. Yeah, definitely.
1:54:55
I have to wear lanyards. That's what they call lanyards,
1:55:00
definitely. Or can we go?
1:55:02
Into a wars, or in a way I like the bulletproof jackets.
1:55:04
With the press written on, yeah, that might put people on edge of
1:55:07
that though in the current climate.
1:55:09
Actually, yeah, my my thigh. I might think we're in the
1:55:11
Strait of. Hormuz looking for the oils.
1:55:14
Yeah, I think. What I'd rather be in the street
1:55:17
of hummus Get. The hummus and the dips out
1:55:19
border, I just remember to see it almost everyone be a lot.
1:55:22
Happier. Wouldn't.
1:55:22
That's a tasty treat. It is indeed.
1:55:24
Yeah. Especially when you get like
1:55:25
spicy hummus you can get like. Hummus with chickpeas in hummus
1:55:29
with chilies in it. All different times of hummus
1:55:31
now. It's great after that.
1:55:33
I've got more chance of getting hummus on me desk now than a
1:55:35
switch. Game, I think I fuck that.
1:55:37
Yeah, I tell what? Tell what our friends.
1:55:40
Awesome. Times sometimes I love dipping
1:55:42
hot dogs in hummus. There's like just a little
1:55:44
fridge treat, but do you stand at the door of the fridge open?
1:55:47
And just dip it at the fridge. Yeah, yeah, that's that's good.
1:55:51
Next time we'll watch a pair of you together.
1:55:53
We'll we'll take it out the fridge and we'll have it
1:55:54
together. That sounds nice.
1:55:55
It's the only person who knows is you in the fridge light and
1:55:58
now. Everyone on this?
1:55:59
Yeah. Well, that's good.
1:56:00
Yeah, we'll, we'll bring it out in the open.
1:56:02
We'll eat it together. You don't have to do this alone.
1:56:04
No, indeed. I think that's probably going to
1:56:06
be the episode title. Something to do with hot dogs
1:56:07
and hummus. I imagine dogs and hummus.
1:56:10
Hot dogs and hummus. Luke.
1:56:13
Thanks so much for me talking wrestling listeners.
1:56:15
Thank you very much for listening.
1:56:17
And of course, you've always got to remember that it's still real
1:56:20
to us. Damn it, damn it.