Latest / BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show / John Davis on 42 Years of MotorWeek, Automotive Media, and the Joy of Driving
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- 0:00BreakFix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from
- 0:04all over the autosphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors,
- 0:09designers, and everything in between.
- 0:11Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrolheads that wonder How did they
- 0:17get that job or become that person?
- 0:19The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
- 0:27Our guest tonight is a mechanical and aerospace engineering graduate,
- 0:31as well as an MBA from NC state and the university of North Carolina.
- 0:35He's been on commercial radio and television programs
- 0:38nationwide for over four decades.
- 0:41He is a sought after speaker and frequently addresses automotive
- 0:45executives, consumer groups, automotive enthusiasts, and
- 0:48students interested in the field.
- 0:50His weekly program offers him that rare chance to bring the enjoyment of
- 0:54a hobby to his professional life and to use his broadcasting, engineering, and
- 0:58analytical expertise to supply information and insight to those who enjoy cars.
- 1:03Tonight, we are proud and honored to let our guest's distinct
- 1:07voice introduce himself to our audience and share his story.
- 1:11So without further delay.
- 1:13Hi, I'm John Davis, and this is the break fix podcast.
- 1:18Welcome John.
- 1:19So like all good break pick stories, there's always a who,
- 1:22what, where, why, and when some sort of superhero origin story.
- 1:26So tell us about your petrol head origin story.
- 1:30Were you from a family that was into cars?
- 1:31How are you attracted to them?
- 1:33Were there certain makes and models that it got you excited about
- 1:35the automotive world as a kid?
- 1:36Transcribed Well, you're talking a long time ago, uh, Eric, and basically, you
- 1:40know, a Southern boy that grew up in the 50s and 60s, basically, you grew
- 1:46up with gasoline in your vein and, and it had been pretty prevalent through
- 1:50my family, my father, his brothers.
- 1:53They were all car aficionados.
- 1:55I will say it was pretty much almost entirely a Ford
- 1:58family, which wasn't unusual.
- 2:01We were there sort of the birth of NASCAR and we followed the people
- 2:06like Fred Lorenzen in the sixties during his NASCAR peak days.
- 2:10So yeah, it was kind of a natural, but I really went into
- 2:14school at NC state to become a.
- 2:17An aerospace engineer, although about halfway through when I
- 2:21realized how expensive it was going to be to get a pilot's license.
- 2:26Cause I really wanted one very badly.
- 2:28I even gravitated even more towards automobiles.
- 2:31I mean, I was driving my grandfather's 1953 DeSoto with a, you know, three
- 2:39on the tree up and down his driveway.
- 2:41Gosh, from the time, probably I was 12 or 13 years old, just going
- 2:45forward and back and forward and back.
- 2:47So it wasn't an unusual thing that cars became a fascination, but I did
- 2:54not expect to make my career in it.
- 2:57And I didn't for a long time.
- 2:58I mean, after engineering school into the Vietnam war, there weren't as
- 3:03many jobs for aerospace engineers.
- 3:06Those that were there, they wanted you to go get a business degree.
- 3:09So I went ahead and got my MBA before, by that time I had set my sights on
- 3:14going to wall street, which I did move to New York for about a year, but I
- 3:18had worked my way through college and radio and television, just as a way
- 3:22to make some extra spending money.
- 3:24Weekend disc jockey and then, uh, with a couple of the local TV stations, just,
- 3:29you know, weekend fill ins for the news desk and the sports desk and so forth.
- 3:33I, uh, ended up having an opportunity to go to, uh, Maryland and Maryland Public
- 3:38Television to work on the pioneering financial series, Wall Street Week with
- 3:43Louis Rukeyser, which really started financial television as we know it today.
- 3:49And I was the chief.
- 3:50producer of that from 73 until its demise about 30 years on.
- 3:55But during that process, when I had become executive producer, I was charged by my
- 4:01boss at the time to basically do a couple of pilots to see whether or not I was a
- 4:05one trick pony or had some other talents.
- 4:08One of the pilots I did was Motor Week because being an automotive
- 4:12enthusiast, and by that time I had owned a DeTomaso Pantera and a
- 4:16number of Mustangs and a Corvette.
- 4:18I mean, I basically was putting my money where my enthusiasm was.
- 4:22We did the show in 78, a pilot.
- 4:24It sat on the shelf for three years.
- 4:26And then in 81, when we got a hint that another big public TV station
- 4:31was going to do an automotive series.
- 4:32And the idea for the series was it would be a national series from the get go.
- 4:37When we got that idea that they were going to do something, uh, we jumped into
- 4:40action and finally got it on the air.
- 4:42So it went on in the fall of 81 in October.
- 4:46Thought it would be fun to do for about five years.
- 4:48And here we are, uh, 42 years later.
- 4:50So for many of our guests, they're obviously familiar with the show.
- 4:54It's been on for 42 years.
- 4:55And if you're not, if you're not, you should be ashamed of yourself.
- 4:58If you call yourself a gear head and you haven't stumbled across us on
- 5:01YouTube or something, shame on you.
- 5:04Absolutely.
- 5:05And what's beautiful is you guys have said.
- 5:07started to also bring back some of the old motor week tests, which
- 5:10are fantastic to watch online.
- 5:12We do a lot of that.
- 5:13That's our retro reviews and that's all done by an ex staff
- 5:18member who is not my son, even though he was often accused of it.
- 5:21Ben Davis.
- 5:23He, uh, basically does that after he's moved away and couldn't
- 5:27work for us full time anymore.
- 5:28He works for us part time and he puts together one of the retro reviews for
- 5:33our, uh, Motor Week listing on YouTube.
- 5:35com slash Motor Week.
- 5:36He tries to do one a week and then every time there's a holiday, he'll do a whole
- 5:41weekend marathon where you can call in.
- 5:43And sometimes I'm there, sometimes some of the old staff like Lisa Barrow show up.
- 5:48So, he's turned the retro reviews into a real thing.
- 5:51Thank you, Ben.
- 5:52And you know, what's fun is you guys really set the bar, not
- 5:55just here in the United States.
- 5:56Once those retro reviews came out, I started to see that in publications,
- 6:00even overseas where they're like, well, motor week started doing that.
- 6:03We'll start doing that too.
- 6:04And some Italian magazines were doing it, bringing back old trials and nineties.
- 6:09And I thought that was really, really neat.
- 6:11It's interesting.
- 6:12I didn't know that.
- 6:13Well, nobody has got our library.
- 6:16I mean, it's just that simple.
- 6:18There really isn't any other depository except maybe some commercials of
- 6:23video going back in our offices.
- 6:26We've actually got old tapes, cassettes, and we have, we still have some machines
- 6:31that will play them, of manufacturers B rolls that go back about 30 years.
- 6:36And I'm sure those manufacturers don't even have that stuff
- 6:39in their archives anymore.
- 6:41We actually recently had Dennis Gage on who has the second longest running
- 6:45automotive program in the United States.
- 6:46My classic car.
- 6:48And when he was here, we actually asked him about how he constructs
- 6:51his episodes and his are a little bit more free form and things like that.
- 6:55But I wonder after 42 years of doing motor week, how do you guys figure out?
- 7:00What you're going to talk about next and what cars you're going to review next.
- 7:03How do you put all that together?
- 7:05If you've watched the show for any number of years, you know, the format
- 7:09has basically remained unchanged and indeed It's really similar to what we did
- 7:15with the first episode 42 years ago The idea was it is a magazine it is designed
- 7:21with short segments that can be taken out Others put in their place, or you
- 7:26take them out to run commercials because our show is not only its first run on
- 7:31public television station around the country, but we also basically run the
- 7:35show as a second run on cable systems.
- 7:38Right now, our partner is Mav TV.
- 7:41The auto sports racing network.
- 7:43We have to be able to leave them time to make their money with a magazine style.
- 7:48So you can pull out segments, leave time and not basically destroy the
- 7:52entire program, which is harder to do when it's not formatted.
- 7:56So we're very highly formatted.
- 7:58Our show came along about the same time as two other magazine style.
- 8:03And that's really is the concept for motor week is an automotive magazine for TV.
- 8:08But you had a series on commercial tv for many years called evening magazine
- 8:14It was done by the westinghouse stations.
- 8:16It sort of pioneered the magazine style segment after segment for Television and
- 8:23also back in those days Entertainment tonight was fairly new very new and
- 8:28that was the format they used so it has a lot of great Possibilities
- 8:34now the downside is you got to know what you're going to put in there
- 8:37You And you've got to do it to time.
- 8:39Time is what we live by.
- 8:42As far as what we cover, it's really simpler than you would think.
- 8:45There are always new cards coming out, and you're basically trying to keep
- 8:49up with the newest stuff that's there.
- 8:51Our idea was, from the beginning, we want to be as timely as the major print
- 8:57magazines, back when they were king.
- 9:00So if they would have something in their magazine on a certain month,
- 9:04Whatever the cover month was.
- 9:05Well, during that month, we would try to have it on the air.
- 9:09And the idea was they couldn't show as many pictures.
- 9:12So you got a lot of the technical data from them, and you got
- 9:16more of the pictures from us.
- 9:17Now, today, of course, it's much different.
- 9:19Everything's up on the internet almost instantaneously.
- 9:22So now what we spend most of our time with is more in depth.
- 9:26But we do think the one thing that sets us apart from so much of the video that's out
- 9:32there today is we actually do test cars.
- 9:35We don't just write about them.
- 9:37We just don't just talk about them.
- 9:38We don't just look at the press kit and kind of regurgitate it.
- 9:41We're at the track every week with whatever we've got in.
- 9:46And we run through our regimented tests, just like we have for four decades.
- 9:50So when you hear what we're doing, you know, it's firsthand experience
- 9:55and we've got the miles to prove it.
- 9:57We are public televisions.
- 9:59We are lucky enough to have that shine on us because they hold us to a very
- 10:03high standard and we're very happy.
- 10:06That they do, and we think that makes us still very unique.
- 10:09It's got to be challenging, especially getting cars in to do
- 10:12the tests and things like that.
- 10:13Right now it is.
- 10:14Ordinarily, we have two cars in a week for two weeks that we
- 10:18test, and that's a long time.
- 10:19Most car makers don't want to give you a car for two weeks.
- 10:22When you figure how much videotaping we have to do, and we have to deal
- 10:25with weather, that's That's what it works out to be right now, though,
- 10:28because of the shortage that everybody hears about the supply change.
- 10:33There's no cars on dealerships.
- 10:34Sometimes the cars show up for far less than that.
- 10:37We just have to work faster when a car comes in.
- 10:40If you watch the show, I'm usually standing up next to the vehicle
- 10:44to do my little introduction.
- 10:46That's usually a dealer car.
- 10:47Dealers don't have cars.
- 10:49So right now, the moment that car comes in, I have to do whatever I need to
- 10:53do with the car while we're testing it because that car will likely will not be
- 10:58able to get one back for a second taping.
- 11:00So the pandemic and the supply chain shortage has had
- 11:04a big impact on us as well.
- 11:06So what would you say was probably one of the hardest cars to
- 11:09attain and bring in for a review?
- 11:11Oh, it's always one of the exotics.
- 11:13Right now, some of the newer manufacturers, you know,
- 11:15it's tough to get a Tesla.
- 11:17It's tough to get a Lucid.
- 11:18We managed to do it.
- 11:19What we've always done with a lot of the exotics and now we do it with some of
- 11:23the new brands is if the manufacturers don't have a car in our area and
- 11:27they're small and they try as best they can, but it doesn't always work out.
- 11:31We'll get an owner's car.
- 11:32We have lots of owners that come to us and say, You know, I noticed you haven't done
- 11:37one or you haven't done one in a while.
- 11:39I've got one.
- 11:39Would you like to do it a little more careful with their vehicle?
- 11:42Shall we say a lot more careful, actually, to be honest, but we'll still,
- 11:45if they'll let us take it to the track and do our evaluations, but the newer
- 11:49brands, exotics, we're very fortunate that Porsche works with us very, very well.
- 11:56Lamborghini does as well.
- 11:58Some of the other exotics.
- 12:00a little harder to get to and but if we can't get it from a manufacturer,
- 12:04we'll get it from an owner and that's kind of standard throughout
- 12:07the automotive media business many times in the over the decades when
- 12:11you would see a car being tested an exotic by one of the big buff books.
- 12:16They'd often tell you it was an owner's car.
- 12:18So that really hasn't changed over the course of reviewing thousands of cars.
- 12:24There's probably episodes that just didn't go right.
- 12:26I personally remember as a kid, the Zuzu trooper slalom exercise
- 12:31and how that all went down.
- 12:32And, you know, the reviews that came from that later, it's true.
- 12:36It happened.
- 12:37What are some of those memorable outtakes for motor week?
- 12:39And what are some of those Best of memories for you
- 12:42after the last four decades.
- 12:43Of course, you always remember the stuff that doesn't quite work out.
- 12:46Right.
- 12:46I am thankful to say knock on wood.
- 12:48We've had very few accidents over the years and no one has
- 12:52ever gotten seriously hurt.
- 12:54And I hope that continues a hope way beyond my tenure.
- 12:57You have to be careful.
- 12:58Cars are lethal, if you will pardon that.
- 13:01I hate to use that word, but they're big machines and they move fast and
- 13:05they weigh a lot and you can get into trouble if you're not what you're doing.
- 13:09Safety is something that we live by day after day.
- 13:12We did have one car, and I'm not going to mention the name, but let
- 13:15me just say it was a large European made, top of the line sedan.
- 13:20And we were at our testing facility doing low speed slalom, which
- 13:26we only do at 35 miles per hour.
- 13:28And the bottom of the engine let go, coated the track with engine
- 13:35oil and the car ended up on a truth.
- 13:37Oh no.
- 13:37You think, you know, you can roll a car at 35 miles an hour.
- 13:41Yes, you can.
- 13:42You can actually roll a card about.
- 13:4315 miles an hour.
- 13:45And it turned out that we discovered that the engine had a fault.
- 13:48So after the automaker finished getting very upset with us, about
- 13:52two weeks later, they let us know that we had done them a favor.
- 13:55I had another situation where we had another European sedan.
- 14:00We were driving it to a Roebling road in Savannah, Georgia, which
- 14:04is our winter testing ground.
- 14:06And we had almost gotten to Fayetteville, North Carolina.
- 14:09It was a cold day.
- 14:10Had stopped for gas, cranked it back up.
- 14:13The pulley on the front of the engine on the crankshaft
- 14:16exploded and left us stranded.
- 14:19And then once again, carmaker of course was very upset.
- 14:23Car had to sit there for like two weeks because they had a
- 14:25freak snowstorm right after that.
- 14:27But we had discovered a manufacturing fault.
- 14:29Every five years when we do an anniversary, we show some outtakes.
- 14:33We used this one for a while, but we sort of stopped.
- 14:35But it was where we caught a vehicle.
- 14:37It was a compact SUV.
- 14:39Again, I'm not going to say which brand.
- 14:41And we rolled it at our test track.
- 14:43We discovered that the suspension had a harmonic.
- 14:48That if you got it going back and forth just properly, the car would
- 14:52literally jump off the ground.
- 14:54And turn itself on its head.
- 14:56These are all old stories.
- 14:58I mean, these go back 25 years to 30 years.
- 15:02I'm happy to say the cars today are much, much better and quality is so much better.
- 15:07We really don't have these instances.
- 15:10Now it tends to be something like the screen doesn't work on the infotainment
- 15:14system or something electronic.
- 15:16We don't tend to have mechanical issues because cars today are designed so well.
- 15:22But over the years, you know, we've had our share of mishaps.
- 15:25There are few and far between, and I want to keep it that way.
- 15:28Probably plenty of great memories to combat all of those.
- 15:31So that's awesome.
- 15:32Oh, yeah.
- 15:33I mean, you know, every day you're driving somebody else's pride and joy.
- 15:37Some engineer has spent, you know, the better part of the
- 15:39last three or four years on it.
- 15:42I feel bad for them in one aspect, because you love it, you love it.
- 15:46But suppose you don't like Cars are not all designed by one person, suppose.
- 15:50You get in a vehicle, I can remember back in the oh, nineties, when in
- 15:55dash stereo systems were starting to get really, really complicated, lots
- 16:00of small buttons, and we really would take some of the manufacturers to
- 16:05task because the buttons are so small.
- 16:07You a regular hand.
- 16:08You couldn't hit.
- 16:09The button you were ended up two and three buttons, and I used to think
- 16:13after we had scolded some brand on that poor engineer that was designing
- 16:17that he probably was told to put all those controls on there probably
- 16:21knew better, but that's what you get.
- 16:23And we are enthusiast when we point out something that we don't like on a
- 16:28car, which people know is fairly rare.
- 16:30We're pretty positive most of the time.
- 16:32We wanted the car to get better.
- 16:33That's the whole bottom line.
- 16:36We're trying to give them feedback that maybe they'll take to heart.
- 16:39Over the years, though, there have been so many wonderful situations, so
- 16:42many accolades, so many anniversaries, so many great cars we've driven.
- 16:47So, John, along with that line of thinking, what is one of the most
- 16:50memorable cars that you've reviewed in all these years on Motor Week?
- 16:54The answer is, and it's an exotic, is the Enzo Ferrari.
- 16:57Oh.
- 16:58And the reason is, it was the first exotic car that I felt, number one,
- 17:05was designed for a six foot tall American, versus Italian anyway.
- 17:10It was super comfortable.
- 17:12It was the easiest car I had ever driven, insanely fast in, and felt comfortable.
- 17:20And there was something about the way they designed from start to finish.
- 17:24They wanted the most refined Ferrari they had ever developed in memory of Enzo.
- 17:30Yet they wanted it to uphold all of his performance standards.
- 17:34And they did it.
- 17:35And they did an incredible job.
- 17:38And that combination of all the parts working together perfectly and ending
- 17:44up with a vehicle that is just a joy to drive both at 30 miles an hour and
- 17:51130 miles an hour is very, very rare.
- 17:54And the only other vehicle that comes to mind that we walked
- 18:00away from feeling about the same.
- 18:03The bullet, not the first bullet.
- 18:04I believe it was bullet number three, Mustang bullet number three.
- 18:09That was Just a perfect combination of parts engineering and build
- 18:15and was just an amazing car.
- 18:18And those vehicles just don't come along very often.
- 18:21So I have to ask one of our famous pit stop questions, because I
- 18:24think a lot of our guests are going to be interested to know.
- 18:26And like you said, you have a pretty sorted past when it comes to your own
- 18:30personal cars, but you've reviewed Thousands of cars over the last 42 years.
- 18:36If you had to pick from all those cars and all the ones, you know, about what's
- 18:39the most beautiful car of all time.
- 18:41That's an easy one for anybody.
- 18:43My age, there is only really one answer and that's the Jaguar XK8.
- 18:50There is no more beautiful automobile that has been designed
- 18:54in my lifetime than the XK8.
- 18:56So that's easy.
- 18:57That's the easy one.
- 18:58Well, the hard one is then, what about the ugliest car of all time?
- 19:02Or the worst car of all time?
- 19:03That's not hard either.
- 19:05That's not hard.
- 19:05That's not hard at all.
- 19:07It's the Yugo.
- 19:08Oh, really?
- 19:09You know, you're the second person to say that now.
- 19:11That's awesome.
- 19:12Absolutely.
- 19:14Oh, I mean, we tested one.
- 19:16We drove one.
- 19:16We picked it up by its bumper and carried it across the parking lot.
- 19:20And one of our ex writers, Martin Peters, he actually owned one.
- 19:24No, he didn't own that.
- 19:25He owned a Trabant.
- 19:26Sorry.
- 19:27Just as bad.
- 19:28He owned a Trabant.
- 19:29Well, we knew quite a few people actually that owned a Ugo's at the
- 19:32time, which really isn't very fair.
- 19:34I mean, it was a little fiat that basically it was just
- 19:40And I have to say, it's probably not the absolute ugliest.
- 19:45I could throw in a couple of, Oh, I mean, a lot of people like to pick on the poor
- 19:50Aztec from Pontiac, but I think it's In my book, the Aztec, I guess, would
- 19:55be right up there with the, the Yugo.
- 19:57There were a couple of during the 80s and 90s that deserved all the
- 20:03scorn that you could reap upon them.
- 20:05But I'm sure I've now upset at least one or two of your listeners,
- 20:10because if you know anybody that owns an Aztec, they love them.
- 20:14That's very true.
- 20:15That's a very true statement.
- 20:17You said the E type of all time.
- 20:18Are there any future classics, any that you see coming on the horizon
- 20:23that really gets your interest?
- 20:24Well, we just finished testing the Audi E tron GT, which is
- 20:28based on the Taycan from Porsche.
- 20:31It's one of the most beautiful automobiles I've ever seen.
- 20:33It is stunning.
- 20:34It is so gorgeous.
- 20:36With so many SUVs on the market, Finding a real beauty is getting harder and harder.
- 20:42The Taycan, which is one of my personal favorites, and then seeing
- 20:46what Audi has done to the basic shape.
- 20:49I would say if I had to pick today, the prettiest car, certainly that's come
- 20:53through our lot in the last two years, it would probably be that e tron GT.
- 20:58It's a gorgeous car.
- 20:59So I have another question about the construction of Motor Week, and it's
- 21:03pretty important for those people that, again, I'm questioning where they've never
- 21:07heard of Motor Week before, but I often when I say, Oh, did you catch Motor Week?
- 21:11And they go, Auto Week?
- 21:13No, Motor Week, you know, the show.
- 21:15You mean Auto Week, the Peterson?
- 21:16No, no, no, no.
- 21:17It's like the old, old, old Top Gear.
- 21:21And they go, Oh, so where did the name come from?
- 21:24And how did you kind of decouple the confusion between AutoWeek,
- 21:28which has been around forever as a publication and the show itself?
- 21:31We never really get confused with AutoWeek.
- 21:34The obvious confusion comes with MotorTrend, which for several
- 21:37years, we were actually on the MotorTrend cable network.
- 21:40Basically what happened was back in 1978, When we were doing
- 21:45the pilot, I did a name search.
- 21:47And in those days you had to basically go down to Washington, start looking
- 21:51around, talk to lawyers that had access to all of the copyrighted names.
- 21:56Well, you couldn't copyright a name, but you could copyright a logo.
- 21:59We came up with MotorWeek.
- 22:01Oddly enough, We came up with it at the same time somebody else did.
- 22:05So when we went on the air in October of 81, in January of 81, I
- 22:12got a call from some folks at Turner television in Atlanta and they were
- 22:16launching a show called motor week.
- 22:18And they want to know who we were.
- 22:20By that time, we had already done whatever preliminary
- 22:23registration of the name you needed.
- 22:25They had done the search the same time we did.
- 22:27They added the name illustrated, so they were MotorWeek Illustrated.
- 22:30Their logo was very different, and that's all you can really copyright
- 22:33at that stage is the look of the logo.
- 22:36So we coexisted for a long time, but they were on the air, then they were off.
- 22:41And then they were a production company for quite a while.
- 22:43I think I had gone in with a long list of names and it was the best one
- 22:48that came out that it was available.
- 22:50So it wasn't magic at all.
- 22:52Motor pretty obviously.
- 22:54I will say the week was.
- 22:56Because I had been producing Wall Street week for so many years, and
- 23:02I wanted the show to be a weekly.
- 23:04I didn't want it to be a limited run series.
- 23:07I wanted it to be on week after week after week year round because I wanted
- 23:13stations to leave us in a time spot.
- 23:16And if you're on for 13 episodes or 26 back in those days, and you
- 23:20finish running new shows or going to reruns, stations would tend to
- 23:25move you to a less great time spot.
- 23:28I wanted us to be new every week and basically hold on to our
- 23:32time spots and that has worked.
- 23:34Growing up in the DMV, it's always just been one of these things.
- 23:37When you watch Motorweek, especially as a kid, you realize the testing
- 23:41was always done at 75 which has been closed now for many, many years.
- 23:45It reopened, it closed again.
- 23:47Well, officially that's true.
- 23:49The track did close as far as to be open.
- 23:53This is a Dragstrip that, for those that don't know, they're Mount Airy, Maryland,
- 23:57in a little community called Monrovia.
- 23:59And it was owned for, um, many years by Bill Wilcom.
- 24:03Bill was, uh, a dear, is a dear friend, I should say.
- 24:06I believe his son didn't want to take the track over.
- 24:08So, as Bill got older, he first farmed out the operation to someone else.
- 24:15It was briefly closed to the public, then it opened again.
- 24:19During all of this time, though, we continued to use it as a test track.
- 24:23So legally, it was not closed.
- 24:26It did not close for absolute good until two years ago.
- 24:32And even then, the new owners, because it was finally sold, have
- 24:37shown interest in reopening it.
- 24:39They haven't managed to do it yet.
- 24:41But at that point, we were fortunate enough, Bill had introduced us
- 24:45to the folks behind Mason Dixon Dragway in Boonesboro, Maryland.
- 24:49It's a very nice track, a beautiful setting.
- 24:52It's up in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.
- 24:54So it's a good another 45 minutes for us, but it's a beautiful track.
- 24:59And we've been very fortunate to go from 7580 up to Mason Dixon.
- 25:04But yeah, for 7580, we started using them in the 80s and
- 25:09stopped, what, two years ago.
- 25:10So.
- 25:11But more importantly, for many of us here, we pilgrimage every
- 25:14weekend, after weekend, after weekend to summit point motor sports
- 25:17park where motor week also tests.
- 25:20So that's always an exciting thing to see.
- 25:22Oh, there's, you know, that's term 10 at summit.
- 25:24It's always super exciting when you guys are there.
- 25:27Yeah.
- 25:27Again, personal relationship, the longtime owner of summit was a dear friend.
- 25:32We had a little bit to do when they built the Jefferson circuit.
- 25:36Which really is used, I think, a lot by motorcycles, but we tend to use it a
- 25:40lot because it's a short, fast, and it's easy to shoot, but we've been able to
- 25:46continue to use Summit, and we also use Dominion Raceway down in Fredericksburg.
- 25:51That's been relatively new.
- 25:53We don't tend to go back to Pocono much anymore.
- 25:56We used to do that quite frequently as well.
- 25:59We're lucky enough that summit is, you know, within the easy drive
- 26:02as is Mason Dixon and Dominion.
- 26:04So we're very, very fortunate.
- 26:06They're not right next door, but they're not that far away.
- 26:08Very nice people.
- 26:09I mean, the owners of these tracks are just really great people.
- 26:13That's all I can say.
- 26:14So switching gears a little bit, many people may not know
- 26:16that you've worked alongside the department of energy to promote.
- 26:20Public awareness of alternative fuels.
- 26:23So I wanted to ask you another one of our Pitstop questions, which is, what
- 26:27are your thoughts on the current, what we call evolution and the birth of
- 26:31these EVs and the change from internal combustion to these electric vehicles?
- 26:36What are your thoughts?
- 26:37And are there some that stand out at you right now as some up and comers?
- 26:41I've got gasoline in my veins and I wouldn't say I'm a contrarian.
- 26:45I'm a realist.
- 26:46I think that The governments are pushing a little too hard for EVs in everybody's
- 26:51garage too quickly, but that is what governments and politicians tend to do.
- 26:57We've been lucky enough to be intimately involved in the entire alternative fuel.
- 27:03A world actually, since the show began, but for the last
- 27:0720 years, working with the U.
- 27:09S.
- 27:09Department of energy, looking at alternative fuels and not just
- 27:13electric, but natural gas and propane and biodiesel and you name it.
- 27:18We probably done something about it because we found
- 27:22it really goes back to 2001.
- 27:25I was at a conference with the Department of energy folks, and they
- 27:29had asked me to come give a little.
- 27:31chat about what we do.
- 27:33And I realized that it would be great to find some kind of soapbox,
- 27:38purpose, something we could focus a lot of the energy on the show
- 27:42on that wasn't already mundane.
- 27:44I mean, everybody and their brother talked about safety and even
- 27:47fuel economy was just everywhere.
- 27:49So it struck me after listening to a number of these speakers.
- 27:52All of these amazing fuels.
- 27:54And we had done shows on coal powered car.
- 27:57The GM came up with back in the eighties.
- 27:59I mean, we'd done electric conversions.
- 28:01We'd done all sorts of stuff, turbine cars.
- 28:03We'd done it all, but we hadn't really looked beyond the surface, beyond the
- 28:08vehicle, after talking to these folks that ate, slept and drank alternative
- 28:13fuels, we realized there was a great story there and a lot of success stories that
- 28:18our audience would like to know about.
- 28:20And so I'm very thrilled that we've been able to work with
- 28:24them so closely over two decades.
- 28:26They're great folks.
- 28:27They have lots of wonderful ideas.
- 28:28Most people don't realize that an awful lot of the technology that's
- 28:34going into battery electric vehicles and just the It's about everything you
- 28:38can think of the lightweight materials that all comes from laboratories that
- 28:43are run by the department of energy.
- 28:45So in other words, it's your tax dollars at work and just like NASA
- 28:50and it's forerunners create things to make air travel better and then
- 28:54airframe manufacturers and airlines get to basically use it for free.
- 28:58It's the same really with the DOE labs.
- 29:01So when you get into that battery electric car, There's probably some
- 29:04of your hard earned tax dollars help get it to where it is today.
- 29:08Getting back to what you ask.
- 29:11I think the push towards going all electric, even by some of the brand
- 29:15manufacturers like General Motors by 2035.
- 29:18I think it's a little fast.
- 29:20I think it's going to happen.
- 29:21Everybody knows the major problems for public acceptance are range and
- 29:25infrastructure, charging infrastructure.
- 29:27The range is continuing to climb.
- 29:29I mean, we're very fickle in our business.
- 29:32First, it was, well, when they get to 200 miles of range.
- 29:36We'll think that's maybe enough and then it was 300 now I think most of us are
- 29:41holding out for 500 and it's coming I mean the new silver auto is probably going
- 29:46to have 500 mile range or 400 anyway to start the lucid It's got 500 of course,
- 29:51it's pricey But my point is when you get to the point where these vehicles
- 29:56can be used On fairly long trips where people can view them as if not their
- 30:03only car, a car, they don't have to worry about getting where they want to go.
- 30:07If they have an emergency without stopping for 30 or 40
- 30:10or 50 minutes, then we're there.
- 30:13Where are we now today?
- 30:15We're at the level where many of these vehicles are terrific for
- 30:20the second car or commuter car.
- 30:22We're seeing the prices come down.
- 30:24GM's Chevrolet's new Equinox CV, 30, 000 with a 250 mile range should
- 30:31be very, very successful and not only looks great, it's going to do
- 30:34what people need to run it to work.
- 30:36Charge it once a week, either at work or at their home with a relatively
- 30:40slow charger, a 240, you know, like a dryer circuit charger, but to take
- 30:45it on the road, you know, you're going to need more fast chargers.
- 30:48Either if you've got a Tesla, you're ahead of the game because they've got
- 30:52their chargers in more places right now, but brings me home and why this is not
- 30:57ready for prime time is two weeks ago.
- 31:00On my way to Vermont, we always stop in Rutland, Vermont and gas up.
- 31:05And we pulled into a station and here's a row of Tesla chargers and I'm
- 31:09there and gone in about seven minutes.
- 31:11And the three or four Teslas that were there, they were there when I got there.
- 31:16People reading magazines and newspapers and there were tablets and they
- 31:20were there a long time after I left.
- 31:22And I don't think most Americans.
- 31:25are willing to take two hours out of their day if they're
- 31:30making a long trip for this.
- 31:32The other thing is, while the Tesla's, their charging system is
- 31:36well done, they plug in, it knows the car, it charges it, you're gone.
- 31:40The commercial systems out there right now, they're not quite plug and play yet.
- 31:45It can take you 15 minutes to get them to work.
- 31:48If you're unlucky, you may have to call their 800 number.
- 31:51It can be enormously frustrating.
- 31:54When they work, they work great.
- 31:56When they don't work, they're frustrating.
- 31:58And you roll up and there's four of them, and three of them are occupied, and
- 32:02one's vacant, but that one doesn't work.
- 32:04There has to be some maturity along with just not only more infrastructure,
- 32:10but it has to work better.
- 32:11It's coming.
- 32:12It is the future.
- 32:13I hope it doesn't displace all internal combustion engine
- 32:17vehicles anytime soon 2050.
- 32:20I think that's a very realistic time frame to where they could become total.
- 32:25Shall we say 2035 is pushing it.
- 32:28In my opinion, I'm being honest with you.
- 32:30I really don't like politicians telling people what they can and cannot
- 32:34buy when it comes to automobiles.
- 32:36It's never worked.
- 32:38Back in the 70s and 80s, when they tried to make everybody buy
- 32:41small cars, what did everybody do?
- 32:44They discovered the loophole, and they went into SUVs and pickup trucks.
- 32:48And so I sort of feel like I've lived through this kind of forcing
- 32:51you to do things against your will.
- 32:53And I don't think it's going to work this time any better than it worked last time.
- 32:56Who knows?
- 32:57California certainly is at the forefront, as are the other
- 33:00states, including the state of Maryland, who are likely to follow.
- 33:04But even there, there's a loophole.
- 33:05They're still going to allow some plug in hybrids, which have
- 33:08an internal combustion engine.
- 33:10So, I think plug in hybrids have been largely overlooked because to
- 33:15me, that's the best of both worlds.
- 33:17The Chevrolet Volt, V O L T, that was a fabulous vehicle.
- 33:2065 miles of battery and enough gas.
- 33:25To get you anywhere you needed to go in an emergency and keep going.
- 33:28That's a great solution.
- 33:30My ideal electric vehicle is a plug in hybrid with a about a hundred
- 33:35mile range on the battery and a small engine that will either charge
- 33:38the battery or give me direct power and let me do my 500 mile trip.
- 33:43Right now, the Europeans seem to be a little more interested in that than the
- 33:47American manufacturers, but I actually think that's the perfect solution.
- 33:51The other perfect solution is if Lawmakers would sit back and just look at facts.
- 33:57If you want to demand something, demand manufacturers make all their
- 34:02vehicles just regular hybrids.
- 34:04Small battery, doesn't have to be a big electric motor, gives you help when you
- 34:08start out, when you use the most gas.
- 34:10That would cut the carbon footprint of automobiles in half almost overnight.
- 34:15And a couple of manufacturers, notably Toyota, they're working towards that.
- 34:19Almost everything new they bring out.
- 34:21The standard vehicle is either hybrid or it's just barely one up from the bottom.
- 34:26So standard hybrid today is possible and would really alleviate the carbon
- 34:32footprint more than some pie in the sky that's going to inconvenience people.
- 34:37Because most people with hybrids don't even know what they're driving, except for
- 34:40the fact that they get great gas mileage.
- 34:42In the DMV especially, we talk all the time about how speeds are
- 34:48up, driving seems to be extremely erratic, especially after COVID.
- 34:52And I came to find out that you're actually the spokesperson for the
- 34:56Smooth Operator Program, which a lot of us see on the digital billboards,
- 34:59like on 695 and places like that.
- 35:02That was a long time ago.
- 35:04That was years ago.
- 35:05They were nice enough to ask me to contribute to that campaign, but
- 35:09so that's, that, that is in my, I mean, I haven't done anything with
- 35:12them for years, so I'm delighted that somebody still sees it.
- 35:15They still pop up.
- 35:16I see them as I'm going down the road.
- 35:18Funny.
- 35:18I'm putting these two together, but do you think it's changed?
- 35:21Do you think it's still the same?
- 35:22What are your thoughts on the way people are driving in the big cities now?
- 35:26I think people are driving like crazy people.
- 35:29COVID has done more damage to highway safety Then speed, I think, ever did,
- 35:35because unfortunately, when people weren't going to work and are still
- 35:40not going to work, the people that were out on the roads, they just
- 35:44felt like, hey, there's no traffic.
- 35:46I can go as fast as I want.
- 35:47A lot of the law enforcement were staying home because of Covid.
- 35:51What little decorum there used to be on the roads around, you know, the Maryland,
- 35:55Washington, Delaware area, I think it's pretty much gone out the window.
- 35:59I mean, you have to drive defensively much more now than you did, I
- 36:03think, even three years ago.
- 36:05I'm not trying to pretend that, you know, I don't take liberties with the
- 36:09speed limits too, but what I see on the roads these days is a total disregard.
- 36:15for safety and for your fellow man.
- 36:18And I find it's really sad.
- 36:20COVID has done that in a number of ways, but one of them that's
- 36:24most recognizable is, um, driving.
- 36:26We often bring that back to a conversation around motor sports too, because people
- 36:31will poo poo on the racers quite often.
- 36:33So you guys don't know what you're talking about.
- 36:34You know, you're addicted to speed and this and that.
- 36:36And if you talk to most racers, they're like, well, We're some of
- 36:39the calmest people on the road.
- 36:41We have very high situational awareness, but I think the track
- 36:44kind of gets it out of your system.
- 36:46And oftentimes I recommend to people, you should go take an advanced
- 36:49driver course and see what it's like, because I hate to say anybody can go.
- 36:54Fast in a straight line, but it's really different when you're taking a turn
- 36:58at 80 miles an hour on a racetrack, like you guys do when you're testing
- 37:01cars versus what you do on the street.
- 37:04So I can't recommend it enough for people, you know, spend a couple
- 37:06of hundred bucks for that advanced training and you will learn so
- 37:10much and your driving will change.
- 37:12To be honest, they don't even have basic training.
- 37:15I don't think you ought to start with advanced training.
- 37:18You know, if I had children, I don't.
- 37:20The first thing I would do when they became legal so they could drive would
- 37:24stake them to get Barbara has it.
- 37:27There's a summit point does it all the time.
- 37:29They're basically skid break and skid schools.
- 37:33Yeah, tire rack street survival, street survival, learn how to break
- 37:38and steer, learn how to steer.
- 37:40Bertle Roos, who, um, is gone now, there's still a school up in Pocono with his name.
- 37:46Bertle taught, and he was the most important instructor
- 37:49that I ever learned from.
- 37:50He called it ocular driving, and what he had done is he had brought over from
- 37:55Europe the concept that you basically had to use your eyes, look as far into
- 38:00a corner as you could look, look as far down the road as you could look, trying
- 38:05to anticipate What was going to happen?
- 38:08And I have stuck to that to this day that when I ever I'm driving either on
- 38:14a racetrack or just on an interstate to try and look as far as my eyes
- 38:19can see, anticipating either within that vehicle is going to do, or if
- 38:24there's a crossroads, what am I going to do if somebody is coming out of it?
- 38:28And the other part of ocular driving that he taught, and it may sound
- 38:32stupid, but it's, it's not intuitive.
- 38:35Look where you want to go in an emergency.
- 38:37Chances are you will get there.
- 38:39If you look where you don't want to go, you're going to get there too.
- 38:42So you have to train yourself that if somebody's coming at you, find the
- 38:47escape route and do everything you can to get to that and stay focused on that.
- 38:52And chances are very good that will get you out of the fix.
- 38:56Thanks.
- 38:56We do drive very fast on a track, and yes, we do get that probably out of our
- 39:00systems, but safety is not just paramount.
- 39:04It's the only thing we are concerned about.
- 39:07We preach to our drivers, never drive over your head.
- 39:12Never do something you feel unsafe.
- 39:14If the car is not responding to you properly, and you don't feel that it
- 39:18can be pushed any harder, don't push.
- 39:22Because if you push the car beyond your limits, you're in trouble.
- 39:27And unfortunately, when I see, oh, an older sedan and flying around
- 39:32the Baltimore beltway at 80, 85, 90 miles an hour, I'm wondering what
- 39:37kind of tires does he have on it.
- 39:40Or he or she, uh, has it been maintained properly?
- 39:43It wouldn't take very much for that car to end up on a truth or worse.
- 39:48And that's what we see a lot of people driving like video games.
- 39:52That's the thing that gets me.
- 39:54And I actually think video games maybe have done more damage to driving habits
- 39:59than any kind of racing or competition.
- 40:01But yeah, if you've ever driven with a professional driver and I've
- 40:04driven with a lot of them, they're the coolest people on the planet.
- 40:08You may be frightened to death.
- 40:10But they're as cool as a cucumber.
- 40:12They do it every day.
- 40:13It's their job.
- 40:14Take a step back for a moment.
- 40:15So when I first met you, you and I were both much younger.
- 40:20And I remember the day, like it was yesterday.
- 40:23I'm flattered.
- 40:23Thanks.
- 40:24It was a Porsche club event.
- 40:26You were giving you were giving a talk and all this kind of thing and I'll never
- 40:29forget because it was one of the most exciting and also traumatic experiences
- 40:33for me because you were taking questions from the crowd and this is at a PCA
- 40:37event where all they want to talk about is the latest 911 that's coming out and
- 40:41the 968 and all these kinds of things.
- 40:43And here I go.
- 40:44I raise my hand and I go, you know, Mr Davis.
- 40:47Can you tell me something about the Dodge Stealth and maybe this new Acura
- 40:50that's coming out and you just heard the air gets sucked completely out of
- 40:54the room as all the heads turned and looked at me and you're like, I must have
- 40:58blasphemed in church or something, right?
- 41:00To come back from that, I want to ask you about two cars that are hot right now.
- 41:04from the same manufacturer and get your opinions on those.
- 41:06And they are not the Dodge Stealth and not Acura Vigor.
- 41:10They are both from Toyota, the new GR Supra and the GR Corolla that is
- 41:16hitting our shores here in October.
- 41:18I want to get your thoughts on those cars as you've probably seen,
- 41:20tested and reviewed both of them.
- 41:22Well, we love the Supra.
- 41:23The only reason it didn't get more awards when it came out is it had some real
- 41:26competition, but it's a fabulous car.
- 41:29The rebirth of the Supra was far and away more than the
- 41:33original car ever could deliver.
- 41:35The GR Corolla, I think I applaud them because here you've got a company that
- 41:40on one hand is doing everything they can to promote a fuel economy, making
- 41:45hybrid standard almost across the board.
- 41:47That's their aim.
- 41:48And at the same time, they haven't forgotten that Some people really
- 41:52want to enjoy driving even down to their most mundane product line.
- 41:57I think Toyota is a fascinating company.
- 41:59A lot of it comes from, of course, their roots, but a lot of it is their U.
- 42:03S.
- 42:04management team, which most people don't realize when Toyota was
- 42:07pretty young in this country, most of their management team were ex
- 42:10folks from Detroit automakers.
- 42:13And they've over the years shepherd dual paths of performance, but also
- 42:18common sense when it comes to using fuel and how it impacts the environment.
- 42:23So I think they're both very exciting vehicles.
- 42:26Toyota is unusual.
- 42:27They've got a lot of money so they can afford to kind of cover all the bases.
- 42:32But super is one of our absolute favorite cars of all time.
- 42:36The new super Gazoo racing, however you want to pronounce it.
- 42:39Gazoo.
- 42:40They've got some very talented engineers.
- 42:42It reminds me not too many years ago when you used to see that
- 42:46kind of skunk works inside some of the Detroit automakers as well.
- 42:51Even coming from brands like Volkswagen and others, where they were always
- 42:54throwing something out there to get the enthusiast based excited.
- 42:56So it's good to see that.
- 42:58That's a great case in point.
- 43:00VW, VW.
- 43:01How many times over the years have we said on motor testing some lowly
- 43:08golf product or Jetta or whatever, how they've instilled all the essence of
- 43:13some of the finest and most expensive European sports sedans in a vehicle that
- 43:18everybody can buy after all VW was the everyman's car and they continue to do it.
- 43:23I mean, Volkswagen's one brand, man.
- 43:25That no matter what vehicle you buy, you're going to buy a vehicle that
- 43:30it has above average performance, i.
- 43:33e.
- 43:33handling, braking, and reasonable acceleration.
- 43:36It's part of their DNA.
- 43:38I'm not sure there's any other automaker that I could say that
- 43:41about that makes affordable cars.
- 43:43I mean, their good solid street performance is their
- 43:47DNA, no matter what they do.
- 43:49So there's one more car I want to ask you about because I talked about it a lot.
- 43:52I was super excited about it and everybody's going to cringe
- 43:54and go, he's going to ask about the new DeLorean Alpha five.
- 43:57No, no, no, no, no.
- 43:59I wanted a DeLorean really badly until I drove one.
- 44:02I have to tell you an acquaintance of mine who had been a writer was their PR person.
- 44:07And I followed John DeLorean, followed him at General Motors, I
- 44:11followed him in this new project.
- 44:13And when the DMC came out, we really wanted to get our hands on it.
- 44:17I wanted to buy one.
- 44:18They wouldn't send them to the press.
- 44:20And finally got one.
- 44:22And when we got one, we realized why they didn't send them to the press.
- 44:25They were probably one of the worst handling automobiles ever built.
- 44:29It came with super wide rear tires, which told you something.
- 44:32It was never meant for that Peugeot Renault V6 that was in it.
- 44:37The engine was too heavy.
- 44:39It was a worse pendulum car than the early 911s, as far as if you
- 44:43got in an off camber corner, you basically started to go into a slide.
- 44:49I cried.
- 44:50It was so terrible.
- 44:51Taking a corner at 30 miles an hour that was an off camber turn was scary.
- 44:55So the new car looks very promising.
- 44:57We followed a lot, the company behind it.
- 44:59We follow those folks and the folks that kept DMC alive for many, many years.
- 45:04We went down to Texas and did some stuff when they were custom
- 45:07building from parts left over.
- 45:09I wish him well, it's a very exciting looking vehicle.
- 45:12Now it's yours again.
- 45:13Ask me the question.
- 45:14I'm so sorry.
- 45:15I interrupted you.
- 45:16The Nissan Z the new 400.
- 45:19What do you think?
- 45:20I haven't driven it yet.
- 45:22Has anybody driven it yet?
- 45:24Uh, not to my know of, but we've been to two events, at least two events.
- 45:30One of our folks have been there, maybe three.
- 45:32You know, it's one of those cars that it seems like it's never going to finally
- 45:35get here, but it's very exciting.
- 45:37I think it's going to give the super run for its money.
- 45:40I think that Nissan's very serious about it being a new halo car for them.
- 45:46We may be looking at one of the last new sports cars period that's
- 45:51not run with battery electric.
- 45:53So I'm very excited about it.
- 45:55I love Zs and always have.
- 45:57Well, that's a great segue because you have owned a variety of high
- 46:00performance cars over the years, and you mentioned a few Mustangs,
- 46:03Corvettes, De Tomaso Pantera.
- 46:05A couple.
- 46:06What's in your garage these days?
- 46:08What do you daily drive?
- 46:09Nothing exciting.
- 46:10Nothing exciting.
- 46:11There's only two cars that I've ever hated that I fell in
- 46:16love with when I drove them.
- 46:18One was the Mustang Mach E.
- 46:20Really?
- 46:20I hated the concept.
- 46:22I thought it was heresy what Ford was doing with the Mustang name.
- 46:25Until we drove it.
- 46:27When we drove it, I thought Ford had done an amazing job.
- 46:30Cause I'm an old Mustang guy.
- 46:32I've owned more Mustangs than anything else.
- 46:34Old ones.
- 46:35I thought Ford had done a remarkable job of instilling Mustang DNA in it.
- 46:40Almost bought one, but wasn't quite happy with the range for the kind of driving
- 46:44I wanted it for, but it was very close.
- 46:47The other car though, I did buy back in 2001.
- 46:50We knew it had been coming the BMW rebirth of the mini Cooper.
- 46:54I spent a lot of time in England and in Europe riding
- 46:58around in the original minis.
- 47:00I thought this new car was a terrible idea.
- 47:04It was too big.
- 47:05It was too modern, just not original until Ray Cuata, my videographer
- 47:11and I went to San Francisco for the introduction of the mini.
- 47:15We got in the car, we spent all day driving in around the wine country
- 47:19on a lot of some very great roads.
- 47:21Fell in love with it.
- 47:23I said, this is not a commuter car.
- 47:25This is a two box sports car.
- 47:27That model 50 was the best handling front wheel drive vehicle that we
- 47:33had ever driven, with the exception of maybe a couple of early Saabs.
- 47:37I came home.
- 47:38I called up the PR guy the next morning.
- 47:41I put in my order.
- 47:42I've still got that car today.
- 47:44Wow.
- 47:44It has all of 31, 000 miles on it and my wife drives it as her daily driver.
- 47:49Six months a year during the winter it stays in a nice warm heated garage.
- 47:54I have a very eclectic Not particularly interesting fleet.
- 47:58We have an old Ford Ranger pickup truck, you know, one that was the
- 48:01real Ranger, not the new truck.
- 48:02We've got the 2012 Subaru Outback, got a 2014 Mercedes SLK because
- 48:09we missed our Miata and wanted a little roadster back again.
- 48:13And we've got a 2020 Hyundai Palisade.
- 48:15I drive so many interesting cars at work.
- 48:18That I really don't need a garage full of really high performance or even classics,
- 48:25nor do I have the wherewithal to do it.
- 48:27I mean, we're our public television, by the way, is that we were
- 48:30not commercial TV, no big bucks there, but that's my garage.
- 48:33It's not very interesting.
- 48:35I'm afraid the mini is this car that just today I put some charge on the battery
- 48:39and it was just so much fun just to go out and drive it for about an hour.
- 48:43And just to remember what a great little handling car it is.
- 48:46I'm sure people want to, what color is it?
- 48:47Blue and white, of course.
- 48:49So did you defer your thoughts against the Mini to the Beetle
- 48:53and the Fiat 500 instead?
- 48:55I love the Fiat 500.
- 48:57I, you know, especially the Abarth.
- 48:59That was more fun than a barrel of monkeys, too.
- 49:01Great little car.
- 49:02The Beetle, not so much.
- 49:04The Beetle, well, I spent a long time crunched up in the back.
- 49:08Seat of a beetle, uh, going up and down the East coast.
- 49:11When I was in college, I have nothing but admiration for the beetle.
- 49:15The only thing about the beetle I never liked was back in the seventies when they
- 49:18tried to put a, an automatic transmission in it, that didn't work very well.
- 49:22And I had a friend that had one that was nothing but trouble, but you know,
- 49:26the beetle, that basic chassis is, uh, has got a lot of performance in it, but
- 49:31I don't have a problem with the beetle.
- 49:32I think the, the bill served its purpose for a long time.
- 49:35And it'll be back.
- 49:36I'm sure somewhere in VW they've got an all electric Beetle.
- 49:40If they brought the bus back, they're going to bring the Beetle back.
- 49:43Amen.
- 49:43And hopefully the Karmann Ghia too, so we'll just leave it at that.
- 49:46That, there would be a treat.
- 49:48There would be a treat.
- 49:49So is there still a bucket list vehicle, new or old, that you'd
- 49:52like to review for MotorWeek?
- 49:54Oh, I'd love to have my old Pantera back.
- 49:56Do a retro review.
- 49:57I recently did a podcast for one of the Pantera groups, and they asked
- 50:02me if I still had the VIN number, they could find the car for me, but
- 50:05I don't have the VIN number anymore, which is too bad, but I laid under it
- 50:09every weekend to work on it to keep it running, but I did love the car.
- 50:12It's a very good question.
- 50:13Do I have a bucket list of cars right now?
- 50:17It's odd.
- 50:18I like what's new.
- 50:20I'm not a classic car guy.
- 50:22I don't know a lot about classic cars.
- 50:24I know what I like.
- 50:25If I have a bucket list, it's going to be for something new.
- 50:29I definitely want an EV.
- 50:31And I'm probably going to buy an EV as a commuter car.
- 50:35I'm looking at the second generation, no surprise, Mini Cooper SE,
- 50:39when it comes out next year.
- 50:41It's rumored to have, well, the current one's a little over 100 mile range.
- 50:45It's going to have 200, 250, so the rumors go.
- 50:47You know, that would be a great commuter car because right side, I'm
- 50:52sure it'll still have all the things that Mini is noted for as far as its
- 50:56handling capabilities and use of space.
- 50:58I think that's an interesting vehicle.
- 51:00I mentioned the Taycan.
- 51:01I think that's just one of the most fabulous automobiles that's ever been
- 51:05devised by any group of engineers and Audi with the e tron GT just made it better.
- 51:11It's a pretty amazing car.
- 51:13You know, when you start looking at the stratosphere, you know,
- 51:16like the new Ferrari SUV and stuff with a V12, you know, I don't know.
- 51:21I do think that if I was going to go out today and buy something today, I
- 51:26probably at least try and buy something with a V8 because it's not going to be
- 51:29around much many of those much longer and I think anybody that's got one
- 51:33of the last V8s is probably going to have something that's at least semi
- 51:36collectible even if it's a pickup truck.
- 51:39There's that new Mustang dark horse coming, you know, that might have
- 51:41John Davis written all over it.
- 51:43Uh, you never know, you know, if this is indeed going to be the seventh
- 51:47generation, which they just showed in Detroit, the 14th of September, they
- 51:51unveiled the new, um, seventh generation Mustang, interesting looking car.
- 51:56I'm not saying I'm not sure I'm absolutely in love with it.
- 51:59But it is clearly a Mustang.
- 52:02And you know, it's still going to have a V8 for a while.
- 52:05Could very well be end up one of those parked in my garage, right
- 52:07next to the Mach E, who knows.
- 52:09John, as we wrap up here, any shout outs, promotions, or anything else
- 52:14you'd like to share that we didn't cover anything about the future of
- 52:16MotorWeek that you'd like to share?
- 52:18Time marches on time is important to us on the show, and it's important to everybody.
- 52:22And hopefully, even though television has changed a great deal, and a lot of people
- 52:27now don't think they watch TV, but that's what you're watching on your tablets,
- 52:31whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
- 52:3320 years ago, we were worried that there weren't going to be
- 52:36enough automotive enthusiasts to keep automotive journalism alive.
- 52:40Fortunately, we were wrong.
- 52:42All you have to do is go to YouTube and see that just about anybody with
- 52:45a camera has opinions on vehicles.
- 52:48I cringe when I hear some of them actually get some kind of remuneration for it, but
- 52:53there's also a lot of great people out there giving very good, honest advice.
- 52:58The idea of unbiased reviews for the second biggest purchase in most
- 53:05people's lives is alive and well.
- 53:07I like to think that being the first non conventional media, being
- 53:11television that covered cars, we had something to do with that heritage.
- 53:16I think it's going to continue and grow stronger.
- 53:18So I'm very hopeful for the future.
- 53:20You know, more opinions is good.
- 53:22Fewer opinions is bad.
- 53:24I'll give the same advice I've always given.
- 53:26If you're going out and buying a vehicle, Look at everything
- 53:29you can about that vehicle.
- 53:31Don't trust one, two or even a half dozen reviews.
- 53:34Keep going until you think you've really gotten every side of
- 53:38it and then go judge yourself.
- 53:41And that will tell you who's giving you the straight.
- 53:44Poop and who isn't, but I think that we're lucky that we live in an age
- 53:48where so much information is available so easily, including everything from
- 53:53motorway for all you folks out there that still haven't watched us youtube.
- 53:57com slash motor week or your public television station or Mav TV.
- 54:01There's no excuse.
- 54:03I do want to say one more thing before I wrap up my part, Eric.
- 54:07And that is, I want to thank the tireless team at MotorWeek, who
- 54:10really works seven days a week, 24 hours a day to bring this 52 week a
- 54:16year series into everybody's home.
- 54:18And I also want to thank all the folks that go back all the way to
- 54:22almost the beginning of Maryland Public Television, because they've
- 54:25allowed us to produce MotorWeek.
- 54:27It's been the love of my life, easily.
- 54:30So thanks everybody for making all of this possible as motor weeks host for the
- 54:35show now celebrating its 42nd season John davis has the opportunity to put all of
- 54:40the new car models through extensive road tests and to judge their practicality for
- 54:45buyers He also acts as final editor on all the new car road test segments and
- 54:49writes many of the test opinions as well As other portions of the program motor
- 54:53week is the staple in the automotive journalism world and countless of us
- 54:57You We'll continue to enjoy the program for many years to come as Emmy award
- 55:02winning producer, host, and creator of motor week television's original
- 55:06and longest running automotive series.
- 55:07John Davis can be seen and heard throughout the United States on PBS
- 55:11broadcasts and Mav TV cable networks.
- 55:14To learn more about John Davis, log on to www.
- 55:19motorweek.
- 55:19org or follow them on social at Motor Week.
- 55:22And don't forget about those Motor Week Retro Reviews on YouTube.
- 55:26And with that, John, I cannot thank you enough for coming on Break Fix.
- 55:31Sharing your story with us.
- 55:32And for me personally, you are an inspiration.
- 55:35Like I said, there has not been a time where MotorWeek
- 55:38has not existed for many of us.
- 55:40I hate to say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
- 55:43And we try week after week to emulate some of the things you've done with MotorWeek,
- 55:48whether you realize it or not, you're one of the heroes of the automotive world.
- 55:52That's high praise, Eric.
- 55:53Well, you're welcome.
- 55:54I hope it was a lot of string of consciousness in the air.
- 55:57Absolutely.
- 55:57It's good seeing you again, John.
- 55:58And let me know when you get that Z400.
- 56:00We want to come see it.
- 56:02Thanks, Eric.
- 56:02It was a pleasure.
- 56:04Anytime.
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