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Bonnie Buckner, PhD. – The Secret Mind · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the new Voice, Vox Novus, the new dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: vox Novus, the new Voice. Our dreams, the maps that
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Speaker 1: can guide us to solve our challenges and provide us
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Speaker 1: with messages. My guest this week on Vox novis doctor
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Speaker 1: Bonnie Buckner, says we may use dreams for personal and
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Speaker 1: professional development, healing, and so much more. Bonnie is the
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Speaker 1: founder and CEO of the International Institute for Dreaming and Imagery,
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Speaker 1: where she teaches people how to use these for personal growth,
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Speaker 1: problem solving, and enhance creativity. She has used dreamwork as
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Speaker 1: the basis for her work as an executive and creative
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Speaker 1: coach for more than twenty years. In addition, she continues
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Speaker 1: to serve as an executive coach and Senior Fellow at
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Speaker 1: George Washington University Center for Excellence in Public Leadership and
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Speaker 1: cofaculty director of their ECO Leadership Coaching Certification program. Her
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Speaker 1: website is Institute for Dreaming and Imagery dot com, and
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Speaker 1: she joins me this week to share her book The
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Speaker 1: Secret Mind, Unlock the Power of Dreams to transform your life.
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Speaker 1: Please join me in welcoming to Vox Novas doctor Bonnie Buckner. Welcome, Bonnie,
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Speaker 1: Hi Victor.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 1: And thank you so much for sharing your wonderful wisdom
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Speaker 1: about dreaming, because I'm sure a lot of people have
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Speaker 1: questions about the dreams they've been having lately, so funny.
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Speaker 1: Please share with us your path and how your work
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Speaker 1: with dreams unfolded.
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Speaker 2: Well, my work with dreams began way back when I
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Speaker 2: was a child. I had many nightmares, like night after
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Speaker 2: night after night, and one day I was sitting out
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Speaker 2: on our front porch and I was thinking about having
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Speaker 2: all these nightmares, and I was thinking, maybe I can
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Speaker 2: just never go to sleep. And I was just going
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Speaker 2: through in my mind all these different scenarios of how
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Speaker 2: not to have nightmares, and it suddenly hit me, Oh,
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Speaker 2: this is why I'm here. I need to figure out
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Speaker 2: how to overcome my nightmares and teach others to do
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Speaker 2: the same. And that, you know, sort of kind of
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Speaker 2: hung out in the back of my mind for a
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Speaker 2: really long time. I grew up. I'm majored in film
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Speaker 2: and my bachelor degree, but it was always just kind
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Speaker 2: of there until the moment when it so again.
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Speaker 1: And how have you used dreams as the basis for
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Speaker 1: your work as an executive and creative coach?
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Speaker 2: So dreaming is a way for us to look inside.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's this weird sort of phenomenon we all have,
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Speaker 2: which is, we do know what's right for us deep
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Speaker 2: inside of ourselves, but we start to double guess ourselves
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Speaker 2: and we listen to other people's opinions and we end
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Speaker 2: up going very far away from that. And dreams are
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Speaker 2: away of cutting through all that external noise and going
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Speaker 2: back to the truth of our inner self.
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Speaker 1: And how did that develop as your work.
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Speaker 2: I had always had in the back of my mind
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Speaker 2: that I was interested in dreams, and I was really
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Speaker 2: always moved by dreams, and I was taught a lot
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Speaker 2: through my dreams about myself. And my father was really
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Speaker 2: fantastic in helping me to understand that there may not
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Speaker 2: be a career that's called, you know, person who works
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Speaker 2: with dreams, because I grew up in the middle of
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Speaker 2: nowhere in Texas and that did not come up on
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Speaker 2: very many career lists, he said, But find some of
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Speaker 2: your other interests and let those be the vehicle through
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Speaker 2: which you explore this. And I was interested in I
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Speaker 2: told you, I got my bachelor's degree in film, and
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Speaker 2: I was really interested in film because it was a
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Speaker 2: way of moving people to new ways of thinking through images.
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Speaker 2: And I was also interested in politics, how people gather
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Speaker 2: other people together to do certain things that hopefully help communities.
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Speaker 2: And I ended up exploring both of those. I was
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Speaker 2: interested in psychology. I got a PhD in psychology, and
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Speaker 2: along the way, through a series of dreams, I met
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Speaker 2: a woman named doctor Katherine Schemberg, who had studied with
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Speaker 2: a woman named Collette albuquermuscat and Collette taught a very
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Speaker 2: ancient lineage of working with images and inner images and dreaming,
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Speaker 2: and Catherine had elaborated on that, and I began to
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Speaker 2: study with Catherine and studied with her for over ten years,
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Speaker 2: and then began doing this work.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful. Tell us about your founding of the International Institute
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Speaker 1: of Dreaming Imagery and what the institute offers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it occurred to me, after many, many years
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Speaker 2: of working in this way with individuals, that I had
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Speaker 2: many wonderful people who had done this work with me
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Speaker 2: for a really long time who were ready to do
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Speaker 2: this work with other people. And it just made sense
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Speaker 2: to me that while we're building a community of dreamers,
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Speaker 2: and so I started the Institute to have a bigger
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Speaker 2: space for us to not only work with people, but
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Speaker 2: to provide classes and to start to develop other ways
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Speaker 2: that people can learn more about dreaming and use their dreaming.
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Speaker 2: So we have four pillars, if you will. One is
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Speaker 2: for leadership development and we work with organizations as well
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Speaker 2: as with individuals. And another is the Dreamer World Artists Lab,
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Speaker 2: where we work with professional creatives and performing arts foundations.
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Speaker 2: We have just our regular individual classes that we offer
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Speaker 2: on a variety of subjects that all sort of loop
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Speaker 2: back around to dreaming. And we have the dream World
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Speaker 2: Kids program which develops young dreamers.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful what inspired your book The Secret Mind?
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Speaker 2: On behalf of the institute, I do a lot of
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Speaker 2: work with George Washington University's Center for Excellence in Public
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Speaker 2: Leadership and I lead a coaching a leadership coaching program
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Speaker 2: there And the person who I work with said to me,
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Speaker 2: you should write a book that really just puts all
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Speaker 2: the academic things that you're talking about from that aspect
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Speaker 2: of dreaming into one place that we can make a
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Speaker 2: part of this program, And it really kind of started there,
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Speaker 2: and that really that came about during COVID, and as
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Speaker 2: I started working on it, I started realizing that it
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Speaker 2: was way more broad than that, and it was necessary
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Speaker 2: to bring people back to their imaginations and their ability
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Speaker 2: to imagine new ways for people to work together, be together,
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Speaker 2: and to bring forward their own inner creativity to move
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Speaker 2: their own lives in the directions they wanted.
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Speaker 1: In your book, you share that we all have a
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Speaker 1: secret mind, the part of our brain that has all
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Speaker 1: the tools we need to solve our own problems, and
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Speaker 1: that the secret mind can be accessed through our dreams.
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Speaker 1: What is the interface between the secret mind and the
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Speaker 1: conscious mind dreaming?
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Speaker 2: That is the interface, because inside of ourselves we have knowledge,
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Speaker 2: we know things, and we know it very simply. I'll
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Speaker 2: give you a simple example. We say all the time
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Speaker 2: to people, no, I know that job is not right
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Speaker 2: for me, or oh that feels like me, I feel
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Speaker 2: like me doing that. So we do know inside of
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Speaker 2: ourselves what is me, what's not me, what's right for me,
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Speaker 2: what's not right for me? But it's very abstract, and
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Speaker 2: all day we're looking outside on a very tangible material world.
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Speaker 2: So we need a material interface, and that is image.
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Speaker 2: So when we dream, the abstractions of our inner knowings,
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Speaker 2: our imaginations, our impulses, our feelings, our emotions are given image,
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Speaker 2: and all of these images play out for us to
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Speaker 2: look at them, understand them, to be moved by them,
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Speaker 2: so that we can kind of see ourself in a mirror,
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Speaker 2: if you will, and then we can wake up and
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Speaker 2: take choices.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you gave the example of a position
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Speaker 1: or a job, a career not being right for someone,
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Speaker 1: or the place of work not being right for someone
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Speaker 1: without going into a lot of details. I had a
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Speaker 1: situation where the company I had been working for for
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Speaker 1: many years had changed leadership, and the new leadership was not,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, recognizing what I was bringing to the company,
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Speaker 1: both in terms of the output that I had and
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Speaker 1: building the company and my related financial compensation. And I
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Speaker 1: had a dream that if I went to the next
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Speaker 1: meeting and this gentleman even looked at me in the
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Speaker 1: in an awkward way, that I would resign. And the
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Speaker 1: very next day that happened, and I resigned. I left,
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Speaker 1: and within three hours I had three offers from companies
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Speaker 1: who were aware of me that I'd worked with before,
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Speaker 1: had offered me substantially more compensation financial compensation that I
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Speaker 1: was receiving, and welcomed me with open arms. So yes, absolutely, I.
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Speaker 2: Love that story, and I get those kinds of stories
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Speaker 2: all the time. I had a woman that I work
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Speaker 2: with who had been told by a friend, hey, you should,
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Speaker 2: you know, put your resume in for this one job.
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Speaker 2: And she put a resume in, she hadn't heard anything back,
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Speaker 2: kind of you know, wrote it off, and then she
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Speaker 2: had a dream months later that she walks in to
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Speaker 2: meet this woman and there's three white tables and each
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Speaker 2: table has a white envelope on it, and she opens
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Speaker 2: one and it gives a salary and she wakes up
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Speaker 2: and she knows she's going to get the job offer.
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Speaker 2: And that particular number of salary was higher than what
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Speaker 2: the original you know, when she had applied to the
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Speaker 2: job was stated, and it was higher than she had
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Speaker 2: ever had. So then it did come to pass. Two
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Speaker 2: days later, she got a call and they said, we're
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Speaker 2: so sorry it took us so long to get back
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Speaker 2: to you, but we would like to talk to you,
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Speaker 2: and we'd like to offer you this job. And so
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Speaker 2: as they began talking about salary because she had had
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Speaker 2: that dream, she said, I just want to pause you
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Speaker 2: right here, and she said, here's the number I'm looking
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Speaker 2: for and she threw that number out there and they said, well,
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Speaker 2: it's you know, a stretch for us, but let me
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Speaker 2: go back and see what I can do. And they
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Speaker 2: came back to her and she was like a two
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars off that number what they offered, and she
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Speaker 2: took the job and super happy there. And she came
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Speaker 2: back to me and she said, you know, this is
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Speaker 2: a career first for me on many levels, including salary.
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Speaker 2: And she said, I would never have had the courage to,
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Speaker 2: you know, even negotiate in that way had it not
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Speaker 2: been for that dream.
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Speaker 1: That's wonderful and that to that end, you share that
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Speaker 1: dreams are the maps that can guide us to solve
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Speaker 1: our challenges and provide us with messages. You gave it
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Speaker 1: a great example. Can you give another example of how
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Speaker 1: may we how may we read them as maps?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, a map is going to show us
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Speaker 2: good trails and bad trails. It's going to show us
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Speaker 2: where things are clear, and it's going to show us where, oh,
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Speaker 2: here the trail drops off onto a cliff. Dreams are
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Speaker 2: the same thing, and when we're talking about that map,
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Speaker 2: both of these things are really important to know. It's
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Speaker 2: important to know where something's dropping off on a cliff,
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Speaker 2: and it's really important to know whether the way is clear.
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Speaker 2: So in the same way, for example, people talk to
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Speaker 2: me a lot about nightmares. Nightmares are showing us that
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Speaker 2: if you go this way, you're going to drop off
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Speaker 2: a cliff. That is so counter to what most people think.
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Speaker 2: Nightmares can be friendly messengers because it's showing us, look,
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Speaker 2: there is you're dealing with fear or anger. Most nightmares
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Speaker 2: are those two primary emotions, and if you recognize it,
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Speaker 2: if you wake up to it literally, then you have
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Speaker 2: an opportunity to rein that in, to examine what's happening
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Speaker 2: and shift it.
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Speaker 1: And can you give us some other examples of messages
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Speaker 1: that have come through from mere clients on dreams?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I say in the book The Secret Mind,
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Speaker 2: something that sort of falls in line with what you
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Speaker 2: had mentioned and what we were talking about a minute ago.
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Speaker 2: A woman who had this dream that she sees in
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Speaker 2: a horse and carriage coming towards her she's standing by
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Speaker 2: the river Sind in Paris, and she sees an old
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Speaker 2: horse and carriage coming towards her, and then she looks
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Speaker 2: off in the river and sees a bright red motor
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Speaker 2: boat speeding away. That's the dream. So she wakes up
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Speaker 2: from that dream and she knows, deep inside, I can't
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Speaker 2: wait any longer to do what I've wanted to do
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Speaker 2: more than anything, which happened to be writing in the arts.
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Speaker 2: She quit her job that day and within a month
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Speaker 2: she had a job covering the arts for a very
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Speaker 2: big magazine in Paris. So she was writing and doing
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Speaker 2: the arts. And so what fascinated me about this discussion
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Speaker 2: was that she had known. She said, I couldn't wait
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Speaker 2: any longer to do what I really wanted to do.
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Speaker 2: So she knew what she really wanted to do. So
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Speaker 2: the message of this dream it somehow clicked her in
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Speaker 2: to the fact of do I want to do something
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Speaker 2: old fashion that I've been doing for a really long
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Speaker 2: time that's really slow, heavy, or do I want to
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Speaker 2: do something new and zippy with a lot of energy
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Speaker 2: and passion in it. So sometimes we talk about dreams
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Speaker 2: and people say, oh, it's going to it's a big
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Speaker 2: message from beyond. Sometimes the greatest messages are the messages
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Speaker 2: from inside of us that has somehow eluded beyond our
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Speaker 2: own grasp and our waking time, and then we're shown
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Speaker 2: something and it finally clicks for us.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. You had mentioned about being inspired, and I have
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Speaker 1: been inspired throughout my life to bring through poetry since
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Speaker 1: I was a child. In twenty twenty, my mother was
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Speaker 1: getting ready to transition. I was at her bedside, holding
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Speaker 1: her hand, and as she took her last breaths, I
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Speaker 1: started seeing this vision of circles and rings, circles and rings.
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Speaker 1: And that night I went home and I went to sleep,
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Speaker 1: and I woke up the next morning and this poem
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Speaker 1: came through me called Circles and Rings. May share it
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Speaker 1: with you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, please, the.
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Speaker 1: Path of great beauty and so many things, from atoms
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Speaker 1: to galaxies, circles and rings, natural wisdom that dwells there within,
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Speaker 1: from not to three sixty, that magical spin. We circle
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Speaker 1: each other in gravity's dance as gay a circle's soul,
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Speaker 1: the solar romance as Luna circles us in life giving motion,
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Speaker 1: drawing the tides and inner emotion, and the age of
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Speaker 1: the oak is found in its rings, as in woman
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Speaker 1: and man and all living things, and when the rings
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Speaker 1: stop and life comes to an end, we'll all circle
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Speaker 1: back and dance once again.
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Speaker 2: Is so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah. I feel really grateful also that my
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Speaker 1: mother inspired that message through me and that it came
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Speaker 1: through in that dream, and then I've been able to
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Speaker 1: share it with others, and especially those who are grieving.
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Speaker 1: I think they take a lot from that, So thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: For those who have issues remembering their dreams.
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Speaker 2: What would you say, Well, I was just about to
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Speaker 2: move to that, because here's my question for you. That
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Speaker 2: poem came through you, how did you capture it?
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Speaker 1: I immediately turned to the journal that I keep at
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Speaker 1: my bedside and I wrote it down exactly.
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Speaker 2: That's the key. People say, I want to, you know,
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Speaker 2: capture my dream, but then they don't have a paper
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Speaker 2: and pen next to their bed. It's kind of like
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Speaker 2: going out in the outfield to play baseball and not
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Speaker 2: having a mit. So if we want to remember our dreams,
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Speaker 2: we have to have the intention of doing that and
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Speaker 2: put a journal buyer bed in a pin and we can,
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Speaker 2: you know, prompt ourselves even more by putting at the
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Speaker 2: top the date and tonight I will have a clear
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Speaker 2: dream and remember, and that little sentence will often give
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Speaker 2: us a little prompt as well. But the really critical
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Speaker 2: thing is to immediately write it down as soon as
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Speaker 2: we wake up, because if we get up, we go
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Speaker 2: to the bathroom, we start making coffee, Like this, it's
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Speaker 2: gone because we've shifted into a different part of our
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Speaker 2: mental processing and it's we're focused on something else.
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Speaker 1: Can we put a title on that page?
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Speaker 2: Well? Yes, And what I recommend what we do in
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Speaker 2: this lineage is to work with the dream first, after
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Speaker 2: we've had the dream, to know what it's telling us,
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Speaker 2: and then title the dream.
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Speaker 1: So rather than on the top of the journal right tonight,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to dream about this event that's been happening
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Speaker 1: in my life or name the event, is to have
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Speaker 1: the dream first.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Now we can ask our dreams to give us
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Speaker 2: a little more information about some kind of event or
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Speaker 2: something going on, but a title kind of gives us summation.
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Speaker 2: And when we ask our dreams, you know, I'd like
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Speaker 2: to know more about let's say, a work event that's
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Speaker 2: going on. We may have in our mind a certain
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Speaker 2: idea about that work event, like oh my gosh, we're
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Speaker 2: about to be bought out or some kind of fear
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Speaker 2: based thing, or some other kind of thing. But our
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Speaker 2: dreams are always going to show us something true. It's
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Speaker 2: going to cut through all that outside noise, as I said,
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Speaker 2: And so we have to be open to receiving whatever
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Speaker 2: the dream wants to bring back to us, which is
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Speaker 2: going to be very frequently a much broader understanding of
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Speaker 2: something and our role in it.
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Speaker 1: So leave the topic open.
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Speaker 2: Ended, I recommend it. You know, we already narrow our
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Speaker 2: lives so much with expectation and assumption. We have an
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Speaker 2: opportunity with dreaming to really open ourselves out. And the
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Speaker 2: more open we can be also in receiving these messages,
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Speaker 2: the more we're able to grow.
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Speaker 1: Are there things that inhibit our ability to remember our dreams? Oh?
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Speaker 2: Yes, technology is number one. I know nobody likes to
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Speaker 2: hear that, but grabbing our phone first thing in the
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Speaker 2: morning is really it just shoots us completely out of
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Speaker 2: being able to be present to our dreaming and going
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Speaker 2: to bed before we go to bed, and scrolling, you know.
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Speaker 4: It just.
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Speaker 2: It puts certain thoughts and emotions and it stirs the pot,
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Speaker 2: let's say. And it's a very different kind of sleep
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Speaker 2: experience than being quiet. And I have a friend who's
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Speaker 2: a traditional Chinese medicine acupuncturist, and she says, we have
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Speaker 2: to sun down just like the sun, and we need
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Speaker 2: that kind of quiet sundowning time instead of just running
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Speaker 2: as fast as we can and then dropping into bed
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Speaker 2: and hoping that we fall asleep.
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Speaker 1: And do you recommend a technique for getting that it's accomplished?
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Speaker 2: Well, I put, I do call it in the book
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Speaker 2: a technology buffer to just begin because for some people
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Speaker 2: it's very, very difficult to set the phone aside, So
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Speaker 2: I don't even bring my phone into my room to
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Speaker 2: go to sleep. There's no TV in there, no computers
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Speaker 2: to leave it at the door and have if at
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Speaker 2: the beginning it's five minutes ten minutes before you go
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Speaker 2: to bed and five to ten minutes after you wake up,
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Speaker 2: that's a great start. Just start there to clear the palette,
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Speaker 2: if you will, and have a more quiet time going
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Speaker 2: into sleep and coming out of sleep, to really allow
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Speaker 2: the body to calm and still and begin to focus
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Speaker 2: and turn the attention to what you want to have
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Speaker 2: in your dreaming time.
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Speaker 1: Any breathing techniques.
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Speaker 2: No, in this particular lineage, we allow our breathing to
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Speaker 2: return to its normal rhythm. So when we do that,
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Speaker 2: when we breathe that are normal rhythm, things that have
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Speaker 2: fallen out of place tend to fall back into place.
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Speaker 2: So we don't do any controlled breathing. We just allow
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Speaker 2: it to return to its normal rhythm.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful My guest doctor Bonnie Buckner, her book The Secret Mind,
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Speaker 1: Unlock the power of your dreams to transform your life. Bonnie,
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Speaker 1: please share with our listeners. Will they git your book
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Speaker 1: and find out more about you?
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Speaker 2: So anybody can come to the institute's website and it's
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Speaker 1: Oh back on box Novus. My guest this week is
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Speaker 1: Unlock the Power of Your Dreams to Transform your Life. Bonnie,
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Speaker 1: what is the waking dream method and how is it used?
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Speaker 2: So to get to that there are more than one
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Speaker 2: kind of dream And we know this because there's more
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Speaker 2: than one kind of regular everyday experience. And our dreaming
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Speaker 2: follows our regular everyday experiences. And we have some regular
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Speaker 2: experiences where things feel unresolved. We had a little conflict
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Speaker 2: with someone at work, or we didn't just quite didn't
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Speaker 2: click with something with our partner. So when we have
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Speaker 2: dreams that are nightmares or repetitive nightmares, busy dreams or
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Speaker 2: clear dreams, these are unresolved dreams. They're asking us to
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Speaker 2: go in and fix something in the same way that
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Speaker 2: we would want to go back to our partner and
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Speaker 2: fix whatever's going on there, or fix the conflict at work,
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Speaker 2: and so for those dreams there will be a necessity.
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Speaker 2: The necessity is the thing to put the finger on.
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Speaker 2: And I'll give an example of that in a nightmare.
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Speaker 2: If I'm in a nightmare that I'm in the passenger
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Speaker 2: seat of a car, there's no driver and the car
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Speaker 2: is careening out of control, the necessity is to stop
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Speaker 2: the car. What I need to do in order to
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Speaker 2: stop it is to get behind the driver, get in
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Speaker 2: the driver's seat, and push on the brake. So the
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Speaker 2: waking dream technique is to work with a dream, to
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Speaker 2: go back in and to do that thing that is
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Speaker 2: needed that will transform an unresolved dream to a resolved dream.
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Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned seven different kinds of dreams in the book,
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Speaker 1: and the first two are nightmares, one are nightmares, and
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Speaker 1: the second is unresolved nightmares. Tell us a little bit
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Speaker 2: So it's nightmares and repetitive nightmares.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, repetitive nightmares.
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Speaker 2: That's okay. So a nightmare we've been talking about a
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Speaker 2: little bit, which is sort of our you know, first responder.
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Speaker 2: It's letting us know that there's any emotional entanglement and
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Speaker 2: we need to pay attention to it and deal with it. Now,
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Speaker 2: if we don't pay attention to it and deal with it,
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Speaker 2: then it very often will repeat. And this repetition is,
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Speaker 2: you know, us like moving up to a certain point
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Speaker 2: and then getting stuck like a needle on a record.
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Speaker 2: You know, we might want to shift something, but we
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Speaker 2: kind of keep coming up until we knock our head
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Speaker 2: against that wall that's inside of us that we haven't
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Speaker 2: surmounted yet, and it starts back over again, repeat. So
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Speaker 2: a repetitive nightmare is really trying to get us to
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Speaker 2: pay attention, to intercede and make a shift. We also
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Speaker 2: have repetitive nightmares in daytime. We call those patterns and
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Speaker 2: people say to me all the time, I have a
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Speaker 2: pattern of getting passed over by a promotion, or I
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Speaker 2: have a pattern of dating already married men. These patterns
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Speaker 2: are that sort of repetitive nightmare. And the value of
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Speaker 2: a pattern like that is it showing us really, in
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Speaker 2: a very loud signpost kind of way, this needs to
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Speaker 2: be fixed. It's stuck.
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Speaker 1: So nightmares don't always revolve around something frightening.
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Speaker 2: Well, they can also be anger. You know, a nightmare
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Speaker 2: is something that is an emotional entanglement, but it could
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Speaker 2: be fear. But it could just as well be anger.
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Speaker 2: I had someone who had a dream that they walked
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Speaker 2: into a stadium, a giant stadium, and they suddenly had
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Speaker 2: this flamethrower and they just raised down the stadium and
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Speaker 2: blasted out of flames everywhere. And this is horrifying for
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Speaker 2: obvious reasons. And as we worked with that dream, it
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Speaker 2: became apparent, Oh, I'm dealing with a lot of different
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Speaker 2: things in my life, and I didn't realize how much
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Speaker 2: I was blasting out that anger, you know, the flamethrower
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Speaker 2: to all the people around me. You know, this person
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Speaker 2: thought they had covered it over, but the dream was
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Speaker 2: showing something else.
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Speaker 1: So we talked about nightmares and repetitive nightmares, what are
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Speaker 1: the other different kinds of dreams.
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Speaker 2: So if we still aren't dealing with the repetitive nightmare,
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Speaker 2: then we start to pile things on and we really
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Speaker 2: sort of settled into pattern. And that can be a
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Speaker 2: busy dream, or a busy dream can be full of
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Speaker 2: you know, different sort of various anxieties and overwhelms. There's
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Speaker 2: also a clear dream, and a clear dream is showing
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Speaker 2: us where we're blocked and how to get over the block,
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Speaker 2: and also latent potentials that we have things that all
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Speaker 2: of us have, these different potentials inside of ourselves that
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Speaker 2: we kind of put into dormancy from time to time,
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Speaker 2: and a clear dream is helping us to see, Okay,
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Speaker 2: you have a block, but you also have these potentials,
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Speaker 2: and it's these potentials that can help you overcome the block.
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Speaker 2: You just have to take them out of hibernation and
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Speaker 2: put them into action.
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Speaker 1: And what about light dreams.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the dreams we've talked about so far are unresolved.
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Speaker 2: But light dreams and great dreams and dreams of union,
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Speaker 2: those are resolved dreams. And we also have corresponding regular
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Speaker 2: waking time experiences like this times when we fall in
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Speaker 2: love and we have this major expansive experience inside of ourselves,
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Speaker 2: and that might translate into a great dream or a
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Speaker 2: dream of light or union. When we have a very
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Speaker 2: spiritual experience and we have maybe some kind of inner
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Speaker 2: insight or revelation. These are some of the resolve dreams
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Speaker 2: that we have.
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Speaker 1: Give us another example of how an unresolved dream may
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Speaker 1: be resolved.
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Speaker 2: Well, we have to look at ourselves as being full
31:15
Speaker 2: of energy and being composed of energy and energy wants
31:20
Speaker 2: to move, and very early in our lives, we learn
31:25
Speaker 2: how to hold ourselves back. So we may want to
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Speaker 2: run up to the blackboard in class because we're so
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Speaker 2: excited about something that is being taught and we want
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Speaker 2: to give the answer. But all these different social things
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Speaker 2: are taught to us. We have to sit, we have
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Speaker 2: to weigh, we have to raise our hand, all these
31:45
Speaker 2: subtle little things which are needed on the one hand.
31:49
Speaker 2: On the other hand, they can also keep us from
31:53
Speaker 2: really expressing our true self. And in those moments there's
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Speaker 2: something that starts to stagnate of our inner energies. So,
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Speaker 2: for example, if I am staying in a job you
32:10
Speaker 2: sort of gave an example to this earlier. If I'm
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Speaker 2: staying in a job where I'm not fully exercising what
32:17
Speaker 2: I could contribute to that work, but I'm just not
32:23
Speaker 2: Maybe in this instance, I'm not courageous enough at that
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Speaker 2: moment to speak out in the way that you did.
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Speaker 2: I might have a dream that shows me sort of
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Speaker 2: hitting a wall or sitting in a shadow or whatever.
32:37
Speaker 2: My inner imagery might show me where I'm holding some
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Speaker 2: of that energy of mine back when I could in
32:45
Speaker 2: fact be speaking up and saying, you know, I can
32:48
Speaker 2: contribute a lot more.
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Speaker 1: Instead, you had shared. When I shared my dream, you
32:55
Speaker 1: had shared a dream also about a woman who had
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Speaker 1: three choices of a salary in white envelopes and was
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Speaker 1: elected for the one that was the highest and ultimately
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Speaker 1: got to very close to where that was. Is there
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Speaker 1: a way that dreams show us or lead us to synchronicity?
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Speaker 8: Oh?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And you know, we're very connected to everything around
33:17
Speaker 2: us because we're all. Everything is connected, everything is connected,
33:21
Speaker 2: everything is about relationship, and everything is in relationship. So
33:28
Speaker 2: we do have moments when we're sort of relaxed and
33:33
Speaker 2: these sort of bits of information come to us, and
33:37
Speaker 2: then we have other moments where we're sort of checked
33:41
Speaker 2: out and we're not really paying attentions as much. And
33:44
Speaker 2: one of the things that happens when people start to
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Speaker 2: really work on their dreams is they become awake and
33:52
Speaker 2: they really begin to pay attention to their inner life
33:56
Speaker 2: as well as their outer life, and everything becomes not
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Speaker 2: only more vibrant, but they start to notice a lot
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Speaker 2: more of these synchronicities because all of these things are
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Speaker 2: happening around us. If we're present to them, then we
34:11
Speaker 2: can pick them up in real time, but we're often
34:14
Speaker 2: not very present to it. Sometimes because we're just focused
34:18
Speaker 2: on something like driving our car down the road safely,
34:23
Speaker 2: sometimes because we're checked out. So the more present we
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Speaker 2: can become, and having a dreaming practice really helps us
34:30
Speaker 2: to do that, the more these synchronicities begin to show up.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy five, I was stationed in Soul, Korea.
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Speaker 1: I was in the United States Air Force, and one
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Speaker 1: morning I woke up, and I don't remember the dream
34:43
Speaker 1: connected with it, but I remember a voice saying, you
34:46
Speaker 1: have to call your mother back in New York. She
34:47
Speaker 1: needs to hear from you. And it was one of
34:50
Speaker 1: those voices that was a guidance voice. It was a
34:52
Speaker 1: very soft, reassuring voice, but said you have to do this.
34:56
Speaker 1: And back in those days, as you may be too
34:58
Speaker 1: young to remember this, but there were connected phones. There
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Speaker 1: were wired phones in the home. You could pick up
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Speaker 1: the main phone, pick up an extension phone at the
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Speaker 1: same time.
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Speaker 2: I do remember that, okay.
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Speaker 1: And then I called the house. I called my mother's house,
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Speaker 1: and my mother and my sister picked up the phone
35:14
Speaker 1: extension simultaneously, and I said, Mom, is there anything wrong?
35:20
Speaker 1: And my sister goes, oh my god, how did he
35:22
Speaker 1: find out? And it turned out that she was scheduled
35:25
Speaker 1: for major surgery the next day, and the message that
35:28
Speaker 1: I got to share with her was that the operation
35:31
Speaker 1: would be a complete success. You'd have a complete healing,
35:33
Speaker 1: rapid healing. Everything would be just fine. She needed to
35:37
Speaker 1: hear that from me, So I'm grateful for that message
35:39
Speaker 1: that came through. That's that method.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, there are some famous dream stories
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Speaker 2: in my family and my grandmother. My uncle Charles was
35:52
Speaker 2: in the war and he was stationed abroad in the war,
35:55
Speaker 2: and one morning my grandmother woke up and knew she
35:59
Speaker 2: had to make him his favorite fruitcake and mail it
36:02
Speaker 2: to him. And as she was making this fruitcake, she
36:07
Speaker 2: was putting so much prayer and intention into it, and
36:11
Speaker 2: she never recounted having a specific dream, just waking up
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Speaker 2: knowing I have to do this. She sends it to him,
36:19
Speaker 2: and the day he received it, he hid it because
36:23
Speaker 2: he didn't want to share it. And when it came
36:26
Speaker 2: time for lunch, all of the guys said, hey, let's go,
36:29
Speaker 2: let's go down to the canteen, and he said, well, no,
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Speaker 2: I'm not feeling so well because he wanted to stay
36:35
Speaker 2: there and eat his fruitcake all by himself and As
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Speaker 2: it turns out, they got bombed that day and the
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Speaker 2: guys in the canteen died and he lived.
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Speaker 1: And another synchronicity. Another type of synchronicity. You talk about
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Speaker 1: people sharing their dreams with you and saying I'm in
36:54
Speaker 1: a dream. They start by saying, I'm in a dream
36:56
Speaker 1: as you call it, and my I'm in a dream
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Speaker 1: is something that really moved me in ways and really
37:04
Speaker 1: identified something for me. This is my light dream. This
37:08
Speaker 1: is really my light dream. I dreamt that I was
37:11
Speaker 1: attending an angel academy and that it was our graduation day,
37:17
Speaker 1: and there was this huge temple and there were eighteen
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Speaker 1: tables arranged in a U shape, and we were instructed
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Speaker 1: to go from table to table, make eye contact with
37:27
Speaker 1: the respective angel at each table, and when they nodded
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Speaker 1: their heads, move on to the next. And we went
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Speaker 1: through this process of the eighteen tables. At the end
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Speaker 1: we were directed to go to the main table where
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Speaker 1: we would receive our angelic name and our angelic assignment.
37:43
Speaker 1: The name I was given was Avi l, which in
37:46
Speaker 1: Hebrew means God is my father, and my assignment was
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Speaker 1: to be an angel to other angels. And I woke
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Speaker 1: up in tears because I recognized that that was something
37:57
Speaker 1: I've been doing all my life that.
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Speaker 2: Is really beautiful.
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Speaker 1: And it also told me that I had some negative
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Speaker 1: things happening in conjunction with helping others in that way,
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Speaker 1: and it told me, don't let those negative things stop you.
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Speaker 1: Keep on going. This is what you're meant to do.
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Speaker 2: Beautiful. That's just beautiful, Victor, thank.
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Speaker 1: You, thank you. I've also had dreams more recently, that
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Speaker 1: was about a year and a half ago, where I've
38:27
Speaker 1: been climbing up a circular staircase trying to get to
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Speaker 1: the top. Not by the way, I'm retired. I'm seventy two.
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Speaker 1: I'm retired, so there's no goal for me in terms
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Speaker 1: of a professional goal or anything of that nature. But
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Speaker 1: there's something about going to the top of this circular
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Speaker 1: staircase that is meaningful to me. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: it is yet. So this is one of my repetitive dreams.
38:52
Speaker 2: Is it really a truly repetitive dream?
38:55
Speaker 1: Yes, I've had it several times this year.
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Speaker 2: Are you frightened in this dream? Know? Have you gone back.
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Speaker 1: Into the I'm a little frustrated that I keep going
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Speaker 1: and have not gotten to that exit.
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Speaker 2: Point, have you gone back into the dream and gone up.
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Speaker 1: I get stopped. Every time I try to get up,
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Speaker 2: Do you know what it is?
39:18
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm going to have to ask. I haven't
39:21
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39:23
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And also, you know, for me, as I
39:31
Speaker 2: hear that life is a spiral, and every time we
39:37
Speaker 2: learn something, we go up a level on that spiral,
39:42
Speaker 2: and then we get to sort of circle around and
39:45
Speaker 2: see ourselves and our own inner development from you know,
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39:55
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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that it has to there with
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40:07
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40:13
Speaker 1: In your book, The Secret Mind, there are many dreams
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Speaker 1: that those you have worked with shared with you. Is
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Speaker 1: there one in particular that stands out because of its
40:21
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Speaker 2: Well, no dream stands out in that way to me,
40:28
Speaker 2: because they're all just this beautiful tapestry of our inner dialogue,
40:35
Speaker 2: and I see, you know, so frequently people have these
40:40
Speaker 2: insights from their dreams and they're able to shift themselves
40:47
Speaker 2: and move into new places within themselves. And it's always
40:52
Speaker 2: a mystery. You know. Dreams have four different levels, and
40:56
Speaker 2: the fourth level is mystery because we don't know what
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41:05
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41:10
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41:13
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41:17
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Speaker 2: or feel that standing in front of that. It's the
41:23
Speaker 2: same with our dreaming at a much higher level. So
41:28
Speaker 2: I just love being with people in their dreaming and
41:34
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41:38
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Speaker 1: stories about people using their dreams for personal and professional development.
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Speaker 1: Do you have another one that you can give it
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Speaker 1: as an example?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I heard this one on a podcast.
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Speaker 2: Actually a guy. The host was telling me that he
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Speaker 2: had this new sort of business idea and he had
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Speaker 2: kind of started getting it off and running, and then
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Speaker 2: he had this dream that he was standing over this
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Speaker 2: city and this huge, huge white jet was flying over
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Speaker 2: and just as it got over his head, it did
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Speaker 2: a U turn and went back and crashed into the city.
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Speaker 2: And as we were talking about that, you know, it
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Speaker 2: became clear and he said it was also eventually became
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Speaker 2: clear in his own life that he had just started
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Speaker 2: to get this business moving. It had just listened for
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Speaker 2: the pun taken off when he felt like he needed
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Speaker 2: to maybe pull back, he was having second thoughts, he
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Speaker 2: was rethinking it. So all of that energy I talked
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Speaker 2: about earlier, when we start moving in a direction that's
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Speaker 2: right for us, and we know that in this case,
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Speaker 2: this was right for him because it was this huge jet,
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Speaker 2: and it talks about all that potential and that energy there.
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Speaker 2: It turned back and then it crashed. So when we
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Speaker 2: stifle our energy from moving forward in that way, then
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Speaker 2: it comes back down. You need energy to take something,
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Speaker 2: to get something to take off. And nowadays he has
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Speaker 2: this business and it is very successful, and he recognized
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Speaker 2: from that dream, Oh wait, I need to keep moving
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Speaker 2: my business forward.
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Speaker 1: Is there healing power in dreams? And if so, how
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Speaker 1: may we access this?
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Speaker 2: There is healing power in our dreams very clearly, because
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Speaker 2: our dreams come from our bodies. And I'll give you
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Speaker 2: an example of a dream that I had some years ago.
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Speaker 2: I dream that I step into my thyroid and my
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Speaker 2: thyroid looks like a boudoir with all these red velvet
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Speaker 2: couches and pink and red lacy curtains, and my thyroid
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Speaker 2: itself is laying on an old fashioned fainting couch and
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Speaker 2: she lifts herself up just a little bit with her
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Speaker 2: hand on her head, like someone who is painting, and
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Speaker 2: she says to me, I need blood. So I woke
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Speaker 2: up from that dream and I knew I'd worked for
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Speaker 2: many years with a traditional Chinese medicine doctor, and I
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Speaker 2: just wrote him that dream, and he responded back right
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Speaker 2: away and said, I know what you need and sent
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Speaker 2: me a bunch of herbs to help me build blood.
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Speaker 2: And that was exactly what I needed.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful. So when we get dreams that seem to indicate
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Speaker 1: something may be wrong with us internally, what do you suggest.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's always good to check it out, you know.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you another example of a dream that I had.
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Speaker 2: This is many years ago before I ever started working
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Speaker 2: with this doctor that I work with now. I was
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Speaker 2: living in LA and it was kind of like a thing.
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Speaker 2: At that time. A lot of people were taking colloidal
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Speaker 2: silver and I had been kind of convinced by this
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Speaker 2: natural path to give it a try, and I started
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Speaker 2: taking it, and just a few days in I had
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Speaker 2: this dream that I'm in this blue, this weird blue space,
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Speaker 2: and all these weird blue beings with these weird blue
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Speaker 2: goggles are running around and their movements are super erratic,
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Speaker 2: and I just know in the dream. I have a
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Speaker 2: conscious moment in the dream where I'm like, this isn't me,
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Speaker 2: Like these beings are not I don't move. That's not
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Speaker 2: a kind of rhythm that I have. And I woke
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Speaker 2: up and I laid there in bed, and I thought,
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Speaker 2: I have clearly ingested something or I have a virus
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Speaker 2: or something, that something's in me that's not me. What
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Speaker 2: could it be? And I sat there and I thought back,
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Speaker 2: like what if I started, have I started anything new?
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Speaker 2: And I realized I'd started that coloidal silver. So I
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Speaker 2: got up and I googled side effects to cloidal silver,
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Speaker 2: and sure enough, one of the side effects very rare.
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Speaker 2: Some people turn blue. Their skin turns blue from it.
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Speaker 2: So I stopped taking it. But you know, in times
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Speaker 2: when if you have some kind of dream that you know,
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Speaker 2: and that's the thing, you know, there's all kinds of
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Speaker 2: sort of regular everyday dreams where maybe there's a character
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Speaker 2: in the dream who's not well, and this is just
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Speaker 2: the dream language showing me there's a part of myself
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Speaker 2: that I need to heal, which doesn't have to do
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Speaker 2: necessarily with physical health, but maybe it's an insecure part
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Speaker 2: of me, for example, that I need to heal so
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Speaker 2: that it can become more secure. But when we have
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Speaker 2: a dream that you know, like in this blue, weird
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Speaker 2: blue dream that I had, I knew my inner knowing
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Speaker 2: knew something was weird, and the same with the thyroid dream.
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Speaker 2: My inner knowing, I woke up and I knew I
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Speaker 2: have to tell my doctor. So you know, I have
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Speaker 2: a lot of faith in our every person's own ability
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Speaker 2: to know there are certain dreams that are just different
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Speaker 2: from other dreams, and if it sparks that inner knowing,
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Speaker 2: check it out.
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Speaker 1: Which actually leads me to my next point. I had
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Speaker 1: shared the story about waking up and knowing that I
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Speaker 1: had to call my mother back in New York, back
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy five, you had shared the story about
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Speaker 1: the fruitcake. What is the connection between intuition and dreams?
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Speaker 2: I think of them as the same thing. Intuition happens
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Speaker 2: to us at when we're awake, and a premonitory dream
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Speaker 2: happens to us when we're asleep. And I will just
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Speaker 2: say this, my little premonitory caveat. It's really great how
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Speaker 2: you handled the dream with your mother just calling and
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Speaker 2: saying is anything wrong? Leaving it very open ended. Even
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Speaker 2: I would say to suggest to people just to call
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Speaker 2: and say are you okay? Is everything okay? And the
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Speaker 2: reason we want to leave it open ended is because
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Speaker 2: even if it's totally premonitory, it's still coming through us
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Speaker 2: as that sort of radio receiver, and we all have
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Speaker 2: our own internal static, particularly when it's around a loved one.
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Speaker 2: We may not want to hear a bad message, we
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Speaker 2: may not want a certain thing to be known to us,
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Speaker 2: or we may really want one. For example, I work
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Speaker 2: with a lot of women who are starting families, and
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Speaker 2: it happens very frequently that I know before they know
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Speaker 2: that they're pregnant because of a dream. But I would
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Speaker 2: never dare say that to them. I keep it to
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Speaker 2: myself because we can't unring the bell, and those are
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Speaker 2: big moments for people. So it's always really important to
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Speaker 2: know the self and be able to distinguish between a
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Speaker 2: regular dream about my mother versus a premonitory dream, and
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Speaker 2: then to keep it as open ended as possible. In
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Speaker 2: our first inquiry.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful advice. Thank you for sharing that. In the Secret Mind,
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Speaker 1: you share that our mission in life is to discover
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Speaker 1: the great dream of self. How may we accomplish this well?
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Speaker 2: I think you know, the great dream of self is
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Speaker 2: something that is always unful. And what I mean by
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Speaker 2: that is these parts of ourselves that were stifling and
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Speaker 2: not allowing to come to the fore. And I see
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Speaker 2: it in so many different ways. I had a professional
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Speaker 2: musician once come to me and say, can you please
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Speaker 2: help me get a job in marketing? And I was
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Speaker 2: stunned because he was a working making, a really great living,
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Speaker 2: professional musician on tour with really big names. And as
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Speaker 2: we dug into it, his dream that was stuck was
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Speaker 2: had to do with his father, who had said, you know,
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Speaker 2: an artist will never make money. And this person was
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Speaker 2: getting a little older, and even though he had money,
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Speaker 2: he was looking to start a family, and suddenly that
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Speaker 2: old family pattern kicked in and he was stifling the
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Speaker 2: thing he loved the most. So whenever we're stifling the
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Speaker 2: thing we love the most, we're not living our great
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Speaker 2: dream of self. And it doesn't have to even be
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Speaker 2: taken into a professional landscape the way this guy did.
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Speaker 2: It could just be playing music at home for yourself,
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Speaker 2: if that happens to be part of you, and it's not,
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Speaker 2: you know, even so narrow as a doing thing. Our
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Speaker 2: great dream of self is our most loving, open self,
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Speaker 2: our ability to love others, to resolve conflicts, to make
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Speaker 2: peace with people, And our dreams show us where we're
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Speaker 2: not doing that, or they give us experiences where we
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Speaker 2: feel that more and we're inspired to move into that
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Speaker 2: and begin expressing that part of ourself more.
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Speaker 1: What would you like your readers to take away from
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Speaker 1: the Secret Mind.
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Speaker 2: If people would start putting a journal by their bed
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Speaker 2: and begin to write their dreams, that's the best place
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Speaker 2: to start to really begin to see a much bigger
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Speaker 2: picture of the self. And the sort of follow up
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Speaker 2: to that is to be curious about what arrives and
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Speaker 2: not be quick to edit or discard it or say
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Speaker 2: that's too weird or that would be impossible for me,
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Speaker 2: But just get curious about it.
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Speaker 1: Curiosity wonderful. My guest doctor Bonnie Buckner her book The
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Speaker 1: Secret Mind, Unlock the power of your dreams to transform
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Speaker 1: your life. Bonnie, one more time, please share with listeners
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Speaker 1: where they can get your book and find out more
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Speaker 1: about you and your wonderful work.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. You can get the book on Amazon, and
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Speaker 2: you can find me at Bonnie Buckner dot com. It's
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Speaker 2: the same handle on Instagram, or you can find all
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Speaker 2: of our classes at the Institute and that is Institute
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Speaker 2: for Dreaming and Imagery dot com or dream with Idi
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Speaker 2: on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: Bonnie, thank you so much for joining us and sharing.
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Speaker 2: All of your work and you, thank you, thank you
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Speaker 2: very much for having me, and.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on Vox Novus. I'm Victor,
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Speaker 1: the voice Firman. Have a wonderful week.