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Why Multiple Things Can Be True At Once In A Deadly ICE Raid · The Elsa Kurt Show

• 0:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, hey, hi.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_04: How are you, Clay?
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm good.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: How are you?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: You surviving the cold?
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, barely, barely.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_04: How did I not schedule a Florida trip for this nonsense?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_04: I should be, I should be like trapped there, not here.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we're getting through.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: How about you?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: Did you guys lose power or any of that stuff?
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, no power.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, greater Chicagoland area is uh prepared for this.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: This stuff is kind of normal.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: We we had bits and pieces of snow in here, two there, three there, whatever.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um brutally, brutally cold.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um those like negative five wind chill, negative 30, like just stay in the house kind of days.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like good news.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: But other than that, I mean it was uh there was no catastrophe here.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, same.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I actually I found it kind of you know enjoyable in the sense that I didn't have to go out in it for any reason whatsoever.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody was nice and cozy at home.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_04: My poor husband did have to go out and and uh do the the snow plow thing and the driveway and everything.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we do have somebody that comes and does it, but you know, he's got the guy's got commercial accounts too, so we know who's taking who's taking precedence.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_04: So it's all good.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's all good.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_04: I I say that because I wasn't the one doing it.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_04: He did.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_04: He asked me Monday morning.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_04: He said, uh, you know, because it continued on to Monday.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_04: He said, um, gets all in his all his gear and he starts getting ready to go out there.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_04: And he says, Um, you want to come out and and help me clear off the cars?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_04: I said, Oh honey.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, I will have a nice hot meal for when you come inside the house.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_04: I will even take your shoes, your boots off for you.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: I will serve you, but I will not go outside.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think just about every guy on the planet would take that as a trade.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: Seriously.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like I mean, that's totally fair.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like, listen, I'm not gonna be sitting inside uh just chilling and you know, having a party watching TV and doing whatever.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna make sure you're all taken care of, my friend.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'd take that.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'd take that and trade every time.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_04: So he agreed that that was a very, very fair exchange.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, you know, so it was all good.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody plays their role and everybody's happy.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I don't know if he was necessarily happy, but but he was agreeable to it all because he's a fair enough.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Good man.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, he can't good man.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my goodness.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_04: Well, my guys, we all have, we all, it's just the two of us here.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um we got a bright channel for you.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_04: We got a whole bunch of topics to talk about, lots going on, what else is new?
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but uh we will bring it all to you, um, right?
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: I wish I'd planned that better.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_04: I I skipped over to a spot here, but whatever, whatever, guys.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's all good.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_04: Anyhow, um, we're gonna be starting up right after this.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Every week brings another headline, another outrage, another crisis, another apology.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: But the real story isn't what just happened.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's why the same things keep happening again and again.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about anything news, it's about understanding what happens between our culture, the consequences they need to find, and how we can stop being called into social political feet.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Together help the current play no backflow down connected.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the show.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it it's funny, I gotta I gotta throw this in real quick before we get started.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_04: A year or two ago, if that had happened, you know, that I had one of those moments where uh things weren't just going as smoothly smoothly as I anticipated for them to go.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_04: I would have felt like this wave of panic, like, oh no, something didn't work right.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I gotta be honest, you know, don't you just feel so casual now?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, yeah, so hey guys, uh technology doesn't work sometimes.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_04: And well, last week was one of those cases.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_04: Our show didn't air when it was supposed to because our streaming software, not blaming them.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_04: Things happen, glitches happen, especially lately, a lot of glitches on all kinds of fronts.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, something happened and it didn't air.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I was homesick in bed.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: Clay was um cheating on me with another podcast that not a last minute request to jump in uh with another podcast that I've been on a few times, and they just do it's it's cops and soldiers, and they just we all sit on and we tell stories, and it's a it's a good time.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: And so they asked me to pop on and and fill in uh last week at the same time our show aired.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so I did what I could.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: I came downstairs to my little space and jumped on with those guys and had a good time, and you know, um, and the next morning, the next morning I checked social media and I was like, What happened?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: I I checked Facebook and I didn't see anything, and then I checked YouTube and I didn't see anything, and I texted Elsa and I said, Hey, I don't know if our show went on last night.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: And you told me you were homesick in bed, and yes, lo and behold, um the show never went on.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: Nope, it did not.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: So uh sorry guys, but things things just happen, and you know, listen, I don't think the world stopped turning because one podcast show uh did not air at their scheduled time.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_04: But I know our committed, wonderful um fan base, friend base.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_04: I hate saying fans and I hate saying followers um because it just sounds it's I don't know.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um but anyhow, thank you guys for uh being patient with us and and uh hanging out the next day when you did air.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, so we are not gonna have that problem this time.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_04: I I decline that problem.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_04: All right, all of this stuff and nonsense and things out of the way.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, I I guess it's pretty much a given that we're gonna be talking about this right off the bat.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_04: This is uh obviously a huge ongoing conversation with lots of uh repercussions and conversations happening uh uh about it.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh an ice braid targeting an illegal immigrant with a vinyl linked history uh who fled turned deadly when agents fatally shot uh Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old VAIC nurse in Minneapolis, again, Minneapolis, um, sparking massive protests, surprise, surprise, and a federal probe into whether it was an accidental just discharge or excessive force or justified or or or so many or we already know one side is saying this, um, another side is saying that.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: Then there's people in the middle that are doing the logical thing and saying, hang on, let's let's wait until we get the whole picture here, the whole thing, and let's use a little bit of um discernment and common sense and reason and all of those things.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_04: And guess where Clay and I come into the picture?
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_04: Right there, kind of in that middle ground.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know about you, Clay.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_04: I definitely have a lean toward um where my perspective is.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_04: Certainly, I think that's normal and natural.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_04: And my my lead to, of course, is that um, you know, uh, I have a hard time calling um Prady a victim.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um he put himself again, like Renee Good, put himself in a situation that he had no business being in.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_04: He um his actions and and choices were deliberate and combative.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_04: And um things you just as a someone with an ounce of sense, you just do not do.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_04: So his behavior and his actions were illegal.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh they were impeding.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, he had a, you know, everybody's making a big point that uh he's a legal carry, you know, uh gun holder.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_04: He's illegal, he had a permit and all that stuff.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_04: He didn't, you know, to the best of our knowledge, at this point in time, as of right now, we still are under the impression, you correct me if I'm wrong, Clay, um, that he did not declare at the time that he was armed, that he had a weapon, um, which is something that you are required to do.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's just common sense, my goodness, even if you weren't required by law to let uh uh agent know, a police officer know that you are armed, it's just common sense too.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's common sense.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll go on with this.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_04: So you go ahead.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so up front, folks, um multiple things can be true at the same time.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: And and I think this is probably my biggest problem with this entire incident, is that both sides of this, whether you're you know, pro-Cretti or if you're pro, you know, federal law enforcement DHS, there are too many people that are going straight black and white.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, Alex Predi dying is a tragedy.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, okay?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's a tragedy.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: It is an avoidable incident for a number of reasons, and avoidable on both sides.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: Avoidable, like you said, Elsa.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: He made some decisions that got him there just like Renee good, and we talked about that last week.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: There were some circumstances and an interaction between him and the ICE agents that could have been, uh truthfully, uh handled differently, right?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um that led to him being shot.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um I there are two you know agents right now who have been suspended pending investigation.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: As you know, as an LEL wife, anytime there's a shooting by a law enforcement officer, uh almost, almost every single time, immediate suspension pending investigation, right?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: That is normal procedure.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: It is not a statement of guilt.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: However, you've got two guys sitting at home who are wondering if they're gonna be criminally charged, if at a minimum their career is over, if they're gonna be stigmatized, if their family is at risk.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of things going on for those two individuals, which truthfully is also tragic, right?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, some people will say without any remorse, without any sympathy, that you know, they get what they deserve.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: And on the flip side, if you if you were of the opposing viewpoint, you said, well, Alex Prady got what he deserved, then there would be this explosion and people would be at each other's throats, and then nobody would be speaking rationally about what happened.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that is our biggest problem at this point.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think, unlike the Renee Good incident, which in a very short period of time, we had plenty of video evidence of exactly what happened.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: And even a lot of people who had an opinion initially that she was completely innocent and blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if they were rational and they saw the film footage within 12 to 24 hours, they looked at it and said, Yeah, she hit him with the van.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: And and everybody kind of the whole situation kind of ratcheted down.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, this situation doesn't have that.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: The video footage that's out there is cell phone footage, it's grainy, it's from multiple angles, it's been modified.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen multiple AI modifications of this.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and people don't have a clear picture of exactly what happened, exactly the timing of the shots, etc.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: There are there are a lot of holes in this, like you said.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Alex Predtney, and listen, folks, I'm a concealed carry holder.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: I've had a concealed carry permit in multiple states.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: I've taken taken multiple courses in multiple states to get certified.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there are, and and every state is different, but I did look up the Minnesota statutes, and I will tell you that Alex Prey by not having his concealed carry permit on his person, uh, was in violation of the law, right?
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: That is one of the number one things they tell you in every concealed carry course.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: If you get your license, you have to have it on you.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, two, he didn't have a second form of government-issued identification on him, right?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because he is following the rules of the agitators, which they tell all of these people are told don't carry any identification on you.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there's two things.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: Third, anytime you're approached by a law enforcement officer, and again, folks, state to state, some states, you don't have to declare, right?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm a concealed carry holder in certain states and I get pulled over by the police and I've got a gun on me or in my vehicle, I don't have to tell them unless they ask.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: Some states, you have to, you are bound to declare.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um he chose not to declare, um, which he was well within his rights to do.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but again, rational people are are few and far between on this issue.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think you and I also are looking at this rationally.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think we both lean towards this is a tragedy that could have been avoided by better choices by a whole bunch of people, but there are still so much information that we don't know at this time.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: I and and I'll be honest with you, and I'm, you know, you probably do too.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: I've got family and friends that are way on the opposite side of this.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and the reaction to this is um it's Charlie Kirk-like in the sense of the visceral reaction that people are having or are having as this thing has happened.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: So um, I again I would just ask everybody, try to remain rational as this thing unfolds, please.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I've seen grown responsible adults, I've seen retired general officers from the military step in the middle of this with an opinion that they have no right to do.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and again, it's one of those I'm general, retired so-and-so.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like trying to both things.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: Go, go.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so please, everybody, just remain rational as this is still kind of unfolding.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I have questions myself, um, I have opinions myself, and I'm remaining as rational as I possibly can uh about Alex Predi, about those agents that handled this and how they handled this.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not vilifying anybody, but I certainly have a lot of questions.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: No, I'll tell you what, you know, here's who I will vilify though, because I will vilify them every single day until there's something that changes with that.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: I will vilify the media, the main street media, uh, for their many, many, many, many atrocities against um the entire country, the world, basically, um for you know, just inciting and encouraging this type of divisive um POBs, you know, on all of this.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_04: And instead of calling for uh this, this, what we're doing here, which is saying take a step back, take a pause.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, I really like what you said that you know, um, several things can be true at once.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, and and that is this, this is a case of exactly that.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: Many things can be true at the same exact time in this case.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um you know, uh, I I I do I do have the video, and I have to tell you, I I watched this multiple times.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think I'm gonna play the whole thing, I'm just gonna play a portion of it here, just to give, if anybody has not seen it, um, uh just to give you a an idea of the chaotic scene that was uh happening here.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_04: So here's this you got multiple people here.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: This person's dragging that person, somebody's blowing a damn whistle, people are yelling and arguing, all that stuff.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody yells gun, gun, gun.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'll have to stop it here.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_04: You get the idea.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, somebody at some point yells gun, gun, gun.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, exactly what you think would happen in that moment with that level of heightened um awareness, uh, adrenaline, all of the things that are going on in this moment.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_04: And the moment that you hear gun, that's a reactive moment right there.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_04: There's, you know, several people like slowed it down and you know, are claiming.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_04: I can't tell anything.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'll be honest with you.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_04: I I cannot tell anything that's happening there.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: And I watched it several times.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_04: It's just none of it is very clear to me, to be perfectly honest.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it does appear that uh it looks like Freddy is reaching to his back pocket.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh you know, could he be trying to get just get purchase or to push somebody away?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_04: Is he reaching for a gun?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: You know, all we know after the fact is that he did have a weapon.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, just terrible, terrible, terrible decisions.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, good intentions or not, you know, in his mind, in anyone's mind who's doing the things that they're doing, I know that they truly believe that what they are doing is noble and right, and they're just wrong.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like you said, so there, you know, the press is at fault in this in many cases because they're using that inflammatory language, right?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen executed or execution um multiple times.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's that is an a blatant misapplication of that word, and it brings a specific connotation for people as they read it, right?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: Alex uh uh Predi was executed by Ice Agents or PPS, right?
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: That is a connotation that is horribly untrue, right?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: That is not what happened there.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so you've got people using that type of language, which are passing judgment, and they're trying to trying to shape the narrative of what happened.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that is a significant problem.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, you can ask yourself the question, you know, because I I know the word helper, the you know, he was just there to help.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: He was there to okay, so I I'll I'll play a little bit of a game, right?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: He is a VA, ER, right, or ICU nurse, ICU nurse, a highly trained medical person, right?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: I am ultimately curious, and unfortunately we'll never know the answer, but I'm ultimately curious why someone like that, who if they truthfully had it in their heart to go there to help, would be there without a medical kit.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Why in the world would someone with that training choose a gun versus a first aid kit?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_04: And this is this is I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I I I carry both, to be honest with you.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not a medic.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: I've got you know combat medical training.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: I can stop bleeding, I can put on a tourniquet, I can, you know, pack some gauze and stop some bleeding.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: But but I carry, I actually carry two just in my truck, right?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: One I can grab and go, one that's a little more for cuts and scrapes and burns kind of stuff.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: But but like he chose as an ICU nurse to go to something like this with a gun and not an aid kit, right?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: So that begs some questions right there.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Again, we'll never know why, unfortunately, because he's dead.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um but but you know, for everybody who has said, well, if ice wasn't there, this wouldn't have happened.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: I can turn around and I can tell you, well, if tens of thousands of illegal immigrants weren't there, then ICE wouldn't have to be there and this wouldn't happen.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: Or if there wasn't inflammatory language by the governor and the mayor and the police chief, and all of these people encouraging people to stand up to, have physical contact, fight against, go to war with ice, this also probably wouldn't have happened.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: And that is precisely the type of language that they are actually using.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_04: These are the words that are being said and inciting already emotionally fragile people who have lost all sense of you know reason and um just discernment and and ability to pause to think and be rational about anything.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_04: They're they're highly encouraging this type of behavior.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: Why?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: Because it doesn't hurt them, they're not the ones.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's that see the one with the walls standing literally, standing behind his gate, telling the people, you know, the crowd to know whatever he was yelling at them to do.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, from the safety of behind his gated home, the irony of that is just it should be uh mind blowing to anyone and everyone.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: And listen, you know, even in a place like Chicago where just a few Weeks, months ago, these same types of operations were going on.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: The police department was working in cooperation with DHS, right?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: And what the police department was doing was keeping people like Alex Pretdy back away from the operation.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: They were keeping the crowd at bay.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: They were doing crowd control to allow the DHS agents to apprehend people like this piece of garbage that they were going in.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: Violent, criminal, illegal alien.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: This is what they were trying to protect and deter and stop agents from getting but in Minneapolis, up until last night or the night before, there was no police cooperation.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: The police had been told not to cooperate with bikes.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: They've been told not to cooperate with DHS agents, right?
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: So they weren't doing crowd control as they have been in other places that prevent things like this from happening, that prevent, right?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so when you've got that, and listen, folks, you know, we can Monday morning quarterback this all day, but the reality is that when you've got, and I know this because this is exactly how the military operated when we used to run operations, military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years, right?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: You set a an uh you know a cordon, we called it, right?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: That pushes the people back, they keep them away, they keep security around the area while you go into a building and you grab whoever it is that you need to grab, right?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what local police have been doing wherever DHS has been.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: That is not happening in Minneapolis.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: So the crowd gets close, right?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: And you've got the DHS guys, and they're going in there to apprehend a violent person.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: And all of a sudden, you've got somebody from the outside that's trying to step their way in, and tempers are high, and adrenaline is running, and and all of these things.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: And again, it's a tragedy.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: But there are so many components that go into this that just blaming ice is very myopic, it is it is intellectually dishonest.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, truthfully.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: You are lying to yourself.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_04: I, you know, just watching, like I said, just watching that video and how chaotic those moments are.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm watching that as a comfy, warm, cozy observer from behind a screen, just watching it.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel confused and chaotic.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: And I've watched it in you know, regular speed, I watched it in slow motion.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_04: Now stop for a moment and imagine being this is all you know, with under probably under a minute uh time that this all happened.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, seconds, really, you know, and there is this massive amount of chaos going.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_04: You are immersed right in it, and you have already, as uh DHS and and um uh ICE, you know, whoever the case is, um, you have just spent the past however many weeks and and months being physically attacked and all, you know, um under the threat of physical attack for just doing your damn job, okay?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_04: And now you have this, this guy coming in and literally barging them.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: Now he's he's in the process.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_04: He's he was going to be getting arrested.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he was being arrested for interfering.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: So he's non-compliant with arrest, he's fighting them.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, they discover that he has a gun.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody cries out, like I said, that there's a gun.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, the officers are all calling to each other.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_04: He's still not complying.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: At no point in time did he say, Whoa, whoa, whoa, okay.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, did he ever just stop and comply?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_04: Never does that.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um, gunshot goes off.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_04: I'm looking at this, reading like the timeline here.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, the fact is that they have to make these decisions in a split second because that is how quickly these things go down.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: Not from, like you said, not the Monday morning quarterback thing where you get to sit back and watch the replays and you know, make these analytical assessments, you know, from the comfort of your couch.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, and the truth is that those decisions, they don't have to be correct.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: The law, the law of self-defense does not require them to make perfect decisions.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_04: So they have to make decisions in the moment.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_04: And I challenge anyone to be able to um, you know, to do that in a moment like that.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't care how much training that you have, de-escalation, uh, de-escalation training, any of those things, when you are in the midst of a moment like that, like we just watched, um, you know, it is it is all reaction and reactive and uh again, so highly preventable.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, like you said right off at the top, it is completely tragic.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, what what a tragic uh waste um for someone who, you know, by career choice was probably doing wonderful things in life and you know, made a really, really poor decision.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, your your point about the chaos of of what was going on.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I'll tell you, you know, unless you've been unless you've been in a gunfight before.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um it is, you know, I I have a hard time um with people who criticize uh, you know, any law enforcement officer, any military member, anybody who's who's in a situation, a life, real life, life or death chaotic situation like that.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: And then you, you know, you roll back the clock and you sit there and you make judgment on them.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I will also tell you that every single one of those situations is different, right?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Every life and death situation that every one of those agents has ever been in has been different, right?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: I can promise you, those six guys, five or six agents that were attempting to arrest him, um, had never been five or six guys trying to arrest one person before, right?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: So they're they're all right.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: This is not, you know, six guys who live and breathe and work and they're shoulder to shoulder together.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: They're never more than five feet apart, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365, and have done this 60, 70, 80 times in training.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: I can promise you, that specific chaotic incident is the first time that has happened to those six guys as a collective, right?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: And so, so again, level of training it is, I won't say it's irrelevant, but there's another set of variables that go into that.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: And folks, again, I'm I'm I'm not making excuses, but I'm trying to provide some rational thought to this uh, you know, as it went.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: It is tragic.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if it turns out that one of those agents acted irresponsibly, acted in, you know, outside of the you know, the uh the SOPs and the and whatever training that they have, and they were in the wrong, I I'll be the first person to say, okay, they found what happened and they're holding somebody accountable.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: And that's good.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: I we just don't know right now.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I you and I, Alsa, we can go back and forth on this thing for another hour.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: We really want to.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_04: Well, easily, easily.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: And that's me.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: The last thing I I do want to say on it though, um, is you know, as with every single one of these things, you know, your timeline, your social media timeline gets flooded with all of these memes and fake uh reports and quotes.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: There was one that um I right away just put into a search to find out the validity, which was that the parents, I don't know if you saw that one, that his parents, you know, um were there's like a big long thing, and actually only one thing turned out to be true about it, but basically the parents were um, you know, he was fired from his job and that he's a cross dresser or something, and that, you know, all of these crazy things that the parents were uh very upset with him and disowned him because he chose to do this.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: And I think the only thing that had a grain of truth to it was that the parents warned him, asked him, warned him to not participate in this stuff.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I still don't even know if that's 100% true.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: It was just multiple um, you know, sources basically said the same thing.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_04: It seemed to be reputable that the parents did speak to him about his decision to be there.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_04: But everything else um so far seems to be, you know, pretty much BS.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: So be careful what you repost and what you take as the gospel truth in these any of these cases.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's like just either say and do nothing with it, or if you feel so compelled to share it and post about it and comment on it, like just take the extra minute and verify as best you can if it is true.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_04: And if you're still not sure, don't do it.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like, come on, we just need to be a little bit better here.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, preferably a lot bit better, right?
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, we can move.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, this is almost everything just kind of a lot of this ties right in.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_04: Let's uh move right into this.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you brought this up, Clay.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know, as you know, I've mentioned in the past, Clay is our is our topic guru, and he picks them.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: And I am so thrilled that he does that for me, for us.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um so yeah, this was this made me pause for thought to really sit and think about it.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the nationwide protests after events like this, what we were just talking about, have people asking if disorganized unrest could morph into a full-blown anti-police or anti-government insurgency, especially with armed groups, because that's what we're seeing more and more now, more of these armed citizens showing up at these uh protests and all of these things.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, I mean, I want to hear your thoughts on it, Clay.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so um I sent Elsa, there's a write-up by a uh former uh special forces warrant officer.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I I've had this kind of bouncing around in my head, and I really couldn't articulate it, and he did a great job uh of putting all of this together.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: But for those of us in the military who spent the last, you know, 20 years not just fighting against, but studying insurgencies so that we could fight against them, we have been seeing there's a there's a lot of expertise out there, right?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: Current and former military as far as insurgencies go.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: And what a lot of us are seeing, and and some of us are really talking about out loud, is that we are starting to see many of the things that we studied and saw in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so part of it, you know, some of the indicators that we're starting to see are, and we've talked about it in various pieces and parts, right?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Part of it is funding.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: We've been talking about this since George Floyd, we've been talking about this since the riots during COVID, right?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: There is a funding that is behind these protests, right?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it's uh, you know, it's the uh pallets of bricks that show up out of nowhere.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's the perfectly crafted signs, protest signs.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: That are across the nation, right?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: That are exactly the same in 18 different cities, and they're they're printed and they're free.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, you've got uh riot shields made out of garbage cans, and you've got all these things that just suddenly show up and they're all being paid for by someone, right?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: So the financing of this is an indicator that this is becoming more organized.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: Communications is the next part.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and apps like Signal, like Pilot, like even like WhatsApp, which isn't very encrypted, but it is, um, they are there is evidence being found that these groups are using these apps to communicate um and and send information about hey, this is where the next event is, right?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: There is a rumor out there, and folks, this is unconfirmed, but there is a rumor out there that there is a signal group that is organizing a lot of these anti-ICE, anti-DHS protests in Minnesota.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: And the rumor is that I I've heard two, they use the lady's same name, but it's either the lieutenant governor of the state is an admin, or it was a woman who worked on Governor Walls' campaign staff and has been in the administration, but not necessarily the lieutenant governor.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: Regardless of who's running it, there's a level of organization and communication uh going on in these in the preparation for each of these events.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: There is also rounded out reporting going back up as these events are going on.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: And we're seeing indications of very military-style reporting.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: Military uses acronyms for everything.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: I I've got more acronyms in my head than I know what to do with.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know what half of them mean anymore.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: But they are using uh something that we used to call a salute report.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's an acronym, right?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: So they would, there's reporting going on in these app channels, pilot and some others that say, you know, size.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: There, you know, our 32 DHS agents, activity.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: They are getting ready to raid at, you know, and then L location, you know, and they would give street corners and locations, and then, you know, blah, and they're providing all this very regimented, very specific information, and it's going not just out, but it's going back up to the people that are reporting this.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then they're being organized, right?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's somebody who is organizing and saying, okay, we need X amount of people to go to this location, and then we need X amount of people to go to this location, and we need X amount of people to do this when you get there, and we need, you know, and so right now it's Minnesota, it's a little bit of a microcosm, um, but we're seeing so much organization within this that it is very reminiscent to all of us, but also very disturbing for all of us at the same time that fought against this because clearly someone who has the same level of education or the same level of study as most of us did um is participating, or someone who's smart enough to pull all the military doctrine for insurgency and counterinsurgency, and they're starting to apply it to what is going on in places like Minneapolis and Minnesota at large.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it is very disturbing to me, especially when you put on top there's a growth in nationwide, but a growth in Minnesota specifically of anti-ICE, never-before gun owners going out and buying firearms.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: Second Amendment, I I'm I'm all on board with it.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to buy a gun, I recommend you go get some training.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: You go do all the things that you're supposed to do.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: But the scary part is that if you take that and you put it on top of this uh potential insurgency that's brewing up there, um now you now a pushing and shoving and throwing bricks and bottles of ice and at DHS and police officers turns into legitimate firefight.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: And then and then we have a significant problem.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: But the pro the biggest problem is that there is no one fighting against this locally.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: Governor Walls, Minneapolis Police Department, they are not participating in the efforts to find out who this is, to use their local contacts, to to you know really gain any intelligence or information so that this can be at least analyzed and taken apart.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: And it's very, very frightening.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it is.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_04: And um it feels like it feels like that state is like the test ground for everything that they want to do nationally.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like, doesn't it feel like like everything is there right now?
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's and it's our right.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: It feels very, very familiar to me specifically because when I was in Baghdad in 2009, our area of operations was actually one of those areas.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: There was a terrorist organization called Katab Hezbollah who used to use my battalion's area to test new IDs, new um detonation, all kinds of things.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: It was a test area.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: We would see things one time.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: We couldn't even come up with a way to counteract it because we'd never see it again, right?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: They would use a new detonation system to set things off, they would use new technology, they would use new whatever it was, we would see all the one-offs.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: It was all an experimental area that was very, very frustrating because we couldn't do a lot about it.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what this feels like with Minneapolis.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so I had a discussion with somebody uh yesterday or the day before, you know, because there is discussions about pull pull everybody out, pull DHS out, shut everything down, pull everybody out.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Even Megan Kelly um, you know, said, hey, they should tell all the illegal aliens in the United States, just go to Minneapolis, go to Minnesota, pull all of DHS out, and just tell them, be like, hey, any any other state, you're gonna get arrested, you're gonna go to jail, but if you go to Minneapolis, you're fine, and just send them all up there.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: I I actually think there's value in potentially pulling DHS out, giving everybody a breather, and then going and running these operations in another location, yeah, and then see if they can monitor, pick up, find any evidence of those same insurgency tactics being used in another location, and then see if they can figure out who's behind it.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it is all very, very scary.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's very dis it's disturbing.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it is, it is.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, obviously we'll we'll keep watching it.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you know, I as we're talking, literally the whole time we're talking, so my mind works in in mysterious ways.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: But one of the ways one of the things that my I always do, my default setting is to always go almost immediately to how do we fix the problem?
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_04: How do we fix this?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_04: How do you correct this?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_04: How do you how do you write this, you know, ship?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um and do and of course it needs to be done pretty quickly.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_04: So I obviously don't have the answers to that.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: I and I'm putting you on the spot and wondering um if you have any thoughts on how that could be done.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_04: And I know, like I, you know, I don't think I'm so special to be the only person thinking about solutions here.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_04: I I know that and I know the hires up that the powers that be are are, you know, I would hope at least um discussing this very same topic.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_04: But from our layman's perspective, um, what are your thoughts?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I think a couple of things need to happen.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, one, there's got to be the anti-police sentiment across the United States has to be overcome.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I say overcome and not ignore there, like there's the reason, rational or not, there's a reason for the anti-police sentiment.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: People feel, again, rational or not, that the police are doing wrong.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: Whether they've been taught that, whether they personal experience, seen it on TV, whatever.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: We've got all these defund the police pockets all over the United States.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: It is what it is.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think the solution to that is community involvement.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is uh by the police.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is to community policing.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's truthfully what they were doing it.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: That was the solution that was working in New York City under Mayor Giuliani.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: It was police on the street and and interaction with people.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not always bad interaction with people, right?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like police can have, should have conversations with people.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: All of that is good.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like just people passing by on the street, know who lives in your neighborhood, know who's not supposed to be there, where did that car come from?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you out here at three o'clock in the morning, right?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: All of those things.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think that that right there, community involvement by the by the police, supported and encouraged by politicians, I think a lot to eliminate this firebed of crap that's going on across the country.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: That that's my personal opinion.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I and I love that.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_04: And I think it's, you know, it's so much it's so much easier to do in small town capacity.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's so much harder to do in the cities because you're dealing with local government that is typically liberal and democrat, and they don't want that to happen.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_04: And that's the real, you know, that's like the dirty little secret that most people don't know, that they don't realize that the people who are shouting the loudest for reform and you know, uh activism and all of these things, they don't want the problem solved because then they're out of a job.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_04: You know, so you know, that's that's the part to me that is so widely frustrating and and defeating.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's the part that feels so defeating to me that the very people who are screaming the loudest in these cities and in these states um for reform and better this and better.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_04: That and change and all of these things, they don't actually, they're lying, bold, bold face lying to people.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_04: They don't want it because they'll be out of a job.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's, you know, I mean, you can equate that to a lot of different lanes, you know, uh, to big pharma and all of that stuff, you know, anything like that, anything where somebody is profiting off of other people's illness, uh, strife, you know, tension, all of these things.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_04: If there's someone's profiting from it, you better damn well believe that they are not going to help be part of the solution.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_04: So um it does, it really, like you said, it really does come down to a combination of you know, the people.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_04: It comes down to the people on those local levels, um, just freaking communicating and bypassing all of this BS.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_04: Get the hell off of mainstream media, go out and talk to your neighbors, talk to people, just touch grass.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody, and I include myself in that, by the way, guys, because I get fired up as we all know.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_04: I get fired up.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, we need to touch grass, talk to our neighbors, and get involved in things on a local level if we want to make some real positive good change in the world.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_04: So there, there's my soap soapbox moment for today.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_04: All right, oh my goodness.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, well, let's see.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: Well, now I'm gonna get all fired up again, Clay.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: Just go and get angry all again.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, listen.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_04: So uh we've got, you know, Kimmel crying again, his crocodile fake tears, and you've got uh Billy Eilish, and I'm sure half of our listeners don't even know who that is, you know.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_04: But just, you know, she's just a representative of you know, stars um getting on their little high horses and and lecturing everybody on what they should do.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_04: And then, of course, we have creepy little Cobar um who wants to be a tough guy, ready for him, be a tough guy.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_04: Here you go, guys.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's all the way up to Maine.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's rinted here in New York City.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: I want to thank everyone here who stood outside in the cold today before.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think we can all agree.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, he's so tough with his FIC.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_04: He's a big tough guy.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_04: Give me a break.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_04: I thought it was the book hand.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_04: When is he going away?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's May.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I just saw a date.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: I just saw a date today.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't truthfully pay all that much attention to it, but it is coming soon.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he is done with TV.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: And listen, you know, I I don't listen to any of them.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: Pay attention with you know, there's repercussions like Mark Ruffalo losing his$500 million deal.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um you notice he hasn't said anything since Alex didn't, right?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um probably a little disappointed about that cash on that check.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the reason why I don't pay attention to them is because, like you said, they're not actually trying to help.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: None of them, none of them are.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and there are there are plenty of examples.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm listening folks, I'm not lambasting Hollywood, but because there are plenty of actors and actresses who have become politicians.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: And and listen, I'll just run through like just a brief, brief list, right?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: Of people that you know both sides of the aisle.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, Clay Aiken, right, ran for office, Sonny Bono.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, who else?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see, Clint Eastwood, obviously.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um Al Franken, Melissa Gilbert ran for office, um Arnold Schwarzenegger, Arnold Schwarzenegger, right?
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: You got Ronald Reagan, you got you know, all of these people, Richard Petty, for crying out loud, ran for office.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Will Rogers, right?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: Jerry Springer, George Takay, Fred Thompson, right?
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: Jesse Ventura.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: All these people ran for office because why?
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted to help.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted to actually make a difference.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: So they put their Hollywood career to the side and they ran for office.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and so they were willing to actually put their money where their mouth is and and you know, try and get involved in the American process to make things better.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I don't care about George Clooney's opinion or Mark Ruffalo's opinion or Billy Eilish's opinion or any of the rest of these people who run their mouth and they, you know, and and you know, and they do it from overseas.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you've got Kristen Stewart who says she's gonna make a big old splash because she's leaving America, because she can't work, uh, is her claim.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: None of us should care.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: Most people in Hollywood, you know, barely got out of high school.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_02: Some of them didn't even do that, right?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they're self-licking ice cream cones with the media.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: The media, you know, makes them feel good.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: They puppet whatever the media says, but they don't do anything to actually help, right?
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: And oh, by the way, using your platform is not helping.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I I don't I don't buy it, I don't like it, I don't listen to them, and I personally don't care.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: Worry.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_04: No, and anyone that does, I seriously, I seriously question your sanity.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_04: I I mean, really, you know, and there, and and I'll tell you, you know, anytime that I see an actor uh or um celebrity, I guess we'll say, uh come out as as conservative.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: I do.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: I do a little, you know, mental slow clap for them and a nice, you know, nice, pleasantly surprised uh reaction.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um however, their their statements are not, you know, like James Woods.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a James Woods fan.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: I was a James Woods fan as an actor long before any of this, always been.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, when he came out on the conservative side and was very vocal and is very vocal, um, yeah, I was like, oh, that's really cool.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_04: Now, is James Woods the person that I go to for all of my um, you know, political information and how I determine what I'm going to think and feel?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_04: Of course not.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_04: You know, so for anybody to be doing that with any celebrity, whatever side of things you are uh are are on, it's like, come on now, stop being silly.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_04: You know, they're they're called actors for a reason.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_04: Their job is to perform, and they perform whether it's on the stage or on the screen or off the screen.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_04: And that is a perfect example of that.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_04: How do we know?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_04: Because uh, are they what are they doing besides, you know, saying a few words and on a you know, black, you know, I like their dramatic videos, their PSAs that they put out, you know, it's always like black and white, dramatic, and they like you know, say their line and they take turns, you know, it's like so stupid.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_04: I've mocked them many times.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_04: They've done like spoofs of that.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_04: But where where are you putting your dollars?
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_04: Your your millions and millions of dollars that you make off of one movie, millions of dollars just to recite some lines and and evoke some emotions with people.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_04: By the way, great job.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_04: Not knocking the talent.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I don't know if I could do it.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_04: I mean I think maybe I could, but whatever.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_04: Most of us can't.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: Before people jump up and down, there is a guy who is an entertainer who decided to throw his hat in the ring and you know, kind of became president of the United States, and he's doing a hell of a job right now.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, Donald Trump is in that crowd too.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, we didn't miss him.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: It was kind of a three-foot putt, and I decided not to mention that somebody, you know.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, how could you forget about him?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_04: What's wrong with you?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's in there too, folks.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't forget about him.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'll know.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: But he did, he did exactly what I'm talking about, right?
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Make America great again.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's what he wanted to do, right?
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: Does it benefit him as a as a real estate guy?
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: Sure it does, right?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: But he did he did what we want American citizens to do, right?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: He jumped in there, he put his money where his mouth is, yeah, and he ran and got elected twice to be president of the United States.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: Good for him, right?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_04: I listen, I admire that whether whether I'm on the same um political side as someone or not, I admire anyone who um decides to do that, decides to, you know, say, hey, listen, I've got these really strong opinions, and I'm, like you said, I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna, you know, and I'm not gonna just talk the talk.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_04: I'm actually gonna walk the walk and throw my hat in and do the hard things and um, you know, whatever happens, happens.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_04: But at least they try.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_04: At least they try.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, um folks will there will be folks in the comments that will criticize us for the exact same thing.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, right?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and listen, I catch it from my mom all the time.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: She tells me I should run for office.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not all the time.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_02: And here's the reality, folks.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: I put 27 years of government service in.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like I've yeah, I've paid my paid my dues.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: I have served the government for a long, long time.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, you have definitely paid your dues and then some.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_04: And as for me, yes, I have people, I have had people many times say, I wish you would run run for office.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, it's not my lane, not my lane.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_04: I know my lane, I know my skill set and uh politics.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_04: I I'm honestly, I know you guys are gonna have hard time believing this, but I'm way too hot-headed for that.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um shocking, I know, it's shocking.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_04: I know it's so shocking.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I do not have the skill and of um reserve.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: I I just I can't I listen, like I said, I know my skill set, and politics is not it.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_04: It's just not you send me in that faith-based direction any day, anytime, and be off like a rocket.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_04: But politics, no.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_04: I I generally, you know, the irony here, guys, uh is you know, Clay and I talk about this stuff every week.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I talk about it uh on all of my content, you know, or my version of talking about it.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_04: And um, but I will tell you, like most people, I hate politics.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_04: I hate everything about it.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's disgusting and gross and corrupt and bad.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, what we've done to it as people, as humans.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_04: As my husband has always said, um, you know, his favorite line is, you know, what what do people do?
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_04: Honey, he says to me, and I say, people ruin everything because that's what you know, that's that's the line.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_04: That's what he says.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_04: People ruin everything.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_04: Everything that is good, people, humans, will find a way to ruin it.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, endless examples.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, let's see, which one do you want to do?
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_04: Clay.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: You pick.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_04: Let's talk about let's talk about this.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_04: Can we skip to this one?
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_04: Is that okay?
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my goodness.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_04: So this just happened the other day.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_04: As you guys probably know and remember, but if you're new to the show, you don't know this.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_04: That uh Clay and I record on Wednesday and we air the show on Thursday.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's a timing thing, um, just coordinating our schedules, all of that stuff.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_04: So we cover the previous week's uh goings on um and the first half of this week.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, so this will be you know a couple days old by the time you guys are seeing this.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um so here's my here's my thought on this.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_04: The minute I watch the video, I honestly thought right away.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, did they like plan that?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_04: Did they script it?
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's really cheesy.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's the nicest way I could say it's so cheesy.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like, first of all, she gets sprayed.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_04: Like, first of all, there's a point where it looks like she kind of like nods to the guy.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_04: Does she?
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_04: It just kind of looks that way.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like she gives him, like, okay, yeah.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, hold on, folks, before we go too far, this is about Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: Alien Omar was holding a press conference last night, last night, night before, um, where someone who was sitting in a chair four feet away from her got up, sprayed an unknown liquid in her face, and then was grabbed by security and removed.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so this is Elsa's reaction to what happened.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, guys.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_04: I you know, I I treated this segment as if it were the thoughts in my head.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I'm one of those, I'm one of those women that will be having a conversation in my head and then just start saying it out loud.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, usually it's my poor husband who's like, why are you talking?
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_04: I just did that to you guys.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Clay, for uh clarifying.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but yeah, so that's that's that.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it just looks really fake.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_04: Like when you're like, let's let's pretend, let's just pretend that I, you know, I'm an attacker or you're an attacker and you've got a substance that you're gonna spray at somebody because you, I don't know, you want to scare them or cause some physical discomfort, whatever your intentions, big or small.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm thinking I'm not gonna aim for your chest, your clothing.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_04: I would I'm thinking I'd probably try and go for your face because I want to like blind you or you know, but the choose the sprays are on the chest.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm also not gonna choose apple cider vinegar as the substance that I'm going to spray you with.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you know, just the whole body, and I'm not a body language expert, I'm just an average person saying what I see here, calling out what I see.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_04: Now, her response and reaction like I she like braced herself for it, and her immediate reaction was to like to go after him, to go chase him down and get him.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_04: I I just don't really believe that that was a instinctual natural response.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_04: The whole thing smells like BS to me.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: She's got Jussie Smolet written all over it, yes.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: As um um Dave Chappelle calls them juicy smolet.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, this is so I when the smallet thing happened, I I am the first person that I know the following morning when it hit the news wire.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, this is 100% BS.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: I did not react as quickly to this one, but my feeling is exactly the same.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_02: There are so many holes in this.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, she's a sitting uh member of the House of Representatives.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like this guy that sprayed her, who didn't do a good job of clearing out his entire social media uh background, is way, way left.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: He's got like pronouns, trans kids, he's got like all of this.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's he is all of those things.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um he got into the front row.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um he decided to use again apple cider or vinegar to spray her with.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: He was allowed to stand up and close the distance with her, spray her, and then step away from her before any of the security reacted to what was going on.
• 54:13
  unknown: Right.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_04: And by the way, very small space, right?
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_04: Very small space.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't flinch, she didn't shy away, she went right after him, she went and washed her face off right away.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like there was no concern about biohazard.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: There was no like get her to the hospital, evacuate the room.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody else was cleared out of the room.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: She washed her face and came back and kept talking.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_02: This is 100% garbage.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's so silly.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's so silly, it's so embarrassing.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, what the you know, the story that they wanted to run this with is like, how look at how violent the right is that they're attacking.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_04: You know, because the the the back room discussion had to have been like, listen, we're looking really bad with all these attacks.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_04: But if if if it looks like they're attacking us, you know, we can we've got something to say here.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_04: Idiots.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: I I think this was an attempt to deflect away from them going through her finances.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is the same that you know, again, it's Justy Smollett.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's the exact same thing.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and they are gonna find very, very quickly that there was some sort of communication between this guy and someone connected with her.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_02: And it's all gonna come apart very and and and she is going to be in more legal trouble because this is right, this is a a form of interference, it's a form of fraud.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's there's all of the things that are gonna go on top of this, just like Smollett did, right?
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: He got nailed because he wasted tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Chicago Police Department in the investigation.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: The exact same thing is gonna happen because this, ladies and gentlemen, I'm calling it now.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: If you're not a believer, this is all BS.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's garbage.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_04: Completely, completely so I'm like, I can't stand her and I'm embarrassed for her.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that was so lame.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um, last thing, we're just about out of time, but we promised that we would be taking a look into that comments section to see what y'all had to say.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so Clay, I didn't even ask if you pulled any up.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_04: I did pull up.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_04: I have I have two first.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you really did.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's only fair.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_04: You didn't get all of our topics first.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's the least I could do here.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_04: So listen, I want to start with a nice one.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_04: Start with a nice one here, Clay.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_04: And guess who it's for?
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_04: Not me.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's for you.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, this is for anybody listening.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_04: Candy said, I do appreciate you breaking this all down so I understand what's actually going on in regards to Greenland.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, I completely agree with Candy because I didn't really, I don't really understand it very well.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_04: And um, so I I also thank you, but it was really great that uh Candy got that from last week's episode.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_04: And um you really did, I gotta say, you really did break it down so well.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_04: Like it was so clear and easy to understand.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_04: Because most people like most people, and I include myself in that, um, don't follow this stuff that heavily.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like we kind of get the little sound bites and stuff, but we don't really understand.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_04: And like, let's face it, life is busy, we're overwhelmed with all of the things that get you know thrown at us all day long that like you just you're like, yeah, I want to know, but I just I can't, I just can't dive into that right now.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_04: And you broke it down so quickly and easily for everyone, myself included.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_04: So it was great.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_04: My second reason for wanting to put that up there, Clay, is because you know, we were talking last week.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_04: Man, they throw punches at you in that in that comment section a lot of times.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm like, I this guy needs a, you know, and I know you're tough and you can handle it just fine, but you know, let's give him an out of boy here.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_02: Taking my sensitive side into account.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate that.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_04: You're very welcome.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_04: Very well.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_04: I've said this before.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_04: I have I I am a fierce defender of my my people and my life.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_04: So that includes you, please.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_04: I will I will go to fisticuffs for you.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, and then speaking of fisticuffs, then we've got this guy.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_04: So my favorite thing among many things, and of course I mean this sarcastically, is the people who drop in the comment section with their memes.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_04: Like they just drop a meme and they're like, you know, like they're dropping a truth bomb at everybody.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, this is another one of those stupid guys.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_04: If you're listening, it's a meme uh with a picture of uh Alex Pretty and a DHS officer uh face to face.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's just a still shot of them.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you can see in the picture that Freddy is holding his cell phone uh up.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_04: Um and the caption is in Trump's America, a camera is considered a weapon.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_04: Why?
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's loaded with the ammunition they fear most of all, the truth.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's his meme.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, listen, that's so dumb.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_04: I honestly just wanted to share because it's just so dumb.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_04: You're uh throwing a meme up in a comment section isn't the winning argument that you think it is.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's lazy, it's cheap, it's has a maybe most times like the most vague ounce of truth to it, but it's mostly just in inflaming and stupidity.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um, what were your thoughts on that?
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it one of my pet peeves, and I've said this a number of times, because I I have people that have come after me, you know, all over social media for a number of reasons, and it's always the same people who generate no original thought or no original content.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so that gentleman, deacon, whatever his name was, um again, that's not original thought.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: That is him dumping somebody else's thought, somebody else's meme that he pulled from somewhere else, and he's using it to send some sort of message.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: I know people, uh, friends and family, acquaintances, even people I don't know, who do nothing but, literally, nothing but post some big long thing that somebody else has written, and at the top they'll just say, This.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: And they generate no original thought, no analysis, no original content, nothing.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_02: Literally.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's everything from everybody else.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it is like the number one indicator to me that you are a lemming.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: You really are a lemming.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't produce anything of your own, and all you do is push everybody else's crap, um, you have no original thought.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: And truthfully, I I have not the time nor the inclination to read whatever it is that you're putting up.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_04: On the rare occasion that I uh click on these people's profiles, I before I do it, I make a little bet with myself.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_04: And the bet is usually is there so there, it's gonna be one of two things.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_04: They have almost next to nothing on their um their profile, um, or it is all memes, anti-Trump means, anti-you know, everything, everything with this administration or anyone who, you know, is MAGA.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um in nine times out of ten, actually, ten times out of ten, I'm 100% correct.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_04: Every single time, every single post.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_04: There is nothing about loved this wonderful day with my family, uh, no, you know, took this great picture of this scenery, uh, went to this trip, did this really nice fun thing.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you to so like nothing positive, nothing productive, nothing kind, nothing useful.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_04: Meme after meme after meme after meme.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_04: And that's enough.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's all I don't even have to, I don't even click on them anymore, but for a period of time, I would be curious enough to take a peep, see what they're all about.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_04: And sure enough, that's all it is.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, quite frankly, I find it uh I find it depressing.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like it makes me so sad for their families.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_04: Like, this is the person you guys have to deal with.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like I can just block them and delete them, but you're stuck with them.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you poor, poor things.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_04: So sad.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I I am I am much more apt to listen to you, to listen to your opinion if I see things like I read this article.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the link.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_02: Here's what I took from this.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, here's what I believe.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think this, even if you say I think the author's full of crap and the article's garbage, express something, do some analysis of your own.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: But the you know, that whole like this or I can't even, or like just the meme, or you know, those kinds of things.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_02: If that is like you said, if that is your content and that is all your content is, like, don't expect me to take you seriously.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just not gonna do it.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's impossible.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_04: And any comment, uh, you know, anything along those lines in the comments sections, I can guarantee to you, you're not gonna get a reaction, you're not gonna get a response, you're not gonna get anything.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_04: You know, if you're gonna throw out the the cliche, you know, maggots, you know, that's my one of my other favorites.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you're another maggot, blonde bimbo, you know, bearded guy.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, somebody I did see somebody since I didn't even bother capturing this.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody said, Why the brick wall?
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_04: Dude, it's a calm down it.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a real brick wall, it's just a backdrop.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I don't know.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_04: Do you want to see the soundproofing in in my studio?
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_04: I I mean, I can do that for you if you want, but I just I don't want to look at soundproofing behind me.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_04: So calm down.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_04: Care less about stupid things.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, oh, okay.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_04: So that was fun.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, I'm I actually really like this segment.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: I do too.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's great.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't keep doing this.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: I like it.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I I think I'm gonna try and do that.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like one nice one, one spicy one, right?
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's kind of fun.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my goodness, guys, that was a lot of fun.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, even the tough topics.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's you know, when I say fun when we're talking about tough, tough topics, what I mean is that I I like the dialogue, I like the you know, perspective, um, back and forth sharing.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_04: So, and I hope you guys enjoyed it too.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_04: Clay, I'm giving it to you to close them out.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_04: You know the deal.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, folks, uh, we appreciate you.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: We appreciate the comments.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, keep them coming.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you'll get picked and get put in there next week and we'll talk about you and we'll put your name up there.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh, as always for me, until then, keep moving, keep shooting.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_04: Take care, guys.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_04: We'll see you next time.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: The headlines will change by tomorrow, but the patterns won't.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for spending this time with us.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be back to keep asking the harder questions and telling the quieter truths.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: Until then, stay grounded, be discerning, and we'll see you next time.