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Wireless cancelled: was the government right to block Kanye West? · The Fourcast

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It's not only that. You've got Kanye West, a global
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successful artist, embracing this Nazi iconography and
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language. That iconography and far right
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and extremist language sells. We are in a global information
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environment where extremism sells.
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I have some breaking news. It's been cancelled.
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The festival's been cancelled. Are you surprised?
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Very. Hello and welcome to the
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Forecast. The government has blocked Kanye
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West's permission to travel to the UK.
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So was this the right decision? The American rapper, who's known
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as Yay, was due to headline London's Wireless Festival this
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summer. He has a long history of
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anti-Semitic comments and actions, including writing a
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song that glorified Adolf Hitler.
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Mr. West has blamed this on a traumatic brain injury and
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missed bipolar diagnosis. He's apologised, says he's
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reached out to the Jewish community here in the UK to
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discuss all of this. I'm joined by Doctor Toby Green
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from the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the music
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journalist Yemi Abiadi. I'm going to start with you,
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Doctor Green. Was this the right thing to do?
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Has the government done the right thing?
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I think they have done the right thing.
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It's unfortunate that it's it's come to this.
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It's unfortunate that the Government has had to step in
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when really it ought to have been clear to the organisers of
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the festival that this was not an appropriate invitation to
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have made in the 1st place. And having made that mistake
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once, it was clear how challenging and problematic that
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was from the perspective of the Jewish community and not only
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the Jewish community but many other people in this country.
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They should have drawn the right conclusions and and reversed
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that decision themselves. But unfortunately it's come to
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this where the government has has stepped in and and it so it
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seems and made that decision for them.
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Yammy, what's your view? Yeah, I'm of the opinion that
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Kanye West shouldn't have been booked for wireless in the 1st
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place. And I feel like the decision to
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ban him is kind of bittersweet in a sense, just because it kind
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of sets a worrying precedent, I'd say just as far as the
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government getting involved in was essentially an issue of
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entertainment. And I understand the nature of
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what he said and everything of what he said.
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And I definitely do not condone anything of what he said in the
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past. But I feel like it does set a
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very worrying precedent for, you know, when the government wants
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to interfere with affairs that might not necessarily concern
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them. So I almost welcome the decision
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in a sense, but I also feel it isn't, it isn't setting the best
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president moving forward, I'd say.
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OK, So look, we're going to come back to this issue of when a
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government should or shouldn't jump in, particularly when we
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look at other people who say really, really problematic and
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toxic things. But I just want to put a couple
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of things to to both of you. First, wireless obviously are
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not part of this discussion. They say that Kanye West or Yay
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has apologized, so he should be free to perform.
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That redemption is something that we should take seriously.
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Doctor Green, what do you think? Yeah, I think we kind of have to
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take a step back really and look at Kanye West's behaviour in his
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remarks over quite a period of time.
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I mean, this started in earnest really in 2022.
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We're not just talking about the occasional off hand or off
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colour remark, we're talking about a very clear and
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consistent pattern, a very serious anti-Semitic remarks
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given in interviews over a significant period of time, a
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pattern also of apologizing for those remarks and then returning
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to the same pattern again a couple of times.
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So you can understand from the perspective of the Jewish
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community, and I think for many others the fact that he's
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apologized again is not very reassuring.
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From our perspective, I think we'd want to see a very clear
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fixed pattern of having renounced those views and his
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claims to be a Nazi, which he made, and other actions that
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illustrate that, such as releasing song called Hal Hitler
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and many others. In a similar vein, we'd want to
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see a long pattern over a long period of time before we were
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reassured that that recounting or renouncing of those positions
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was was permanent. Kanye said he wants to meet you.
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Would you do that? So we've said that we'd be open
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from the perspective of the Board of Deputies to such a
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meeting, but only if and he has withdrawn his participation.
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I think that it's really important to separate the two
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things. So one is his participation in
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the Wireless Festival, which we think is is fundamentally wrong,
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not only because of his remarks, but also because of the threat
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that that poses to members of the Jewish community.
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If you bring somebody who has, you know, a hugely influential
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individual who's also gained a huge reputation for engaging in
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anti-Semitic language and promoting Nazi iconography and
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normalizing Nazi iconography and bringing such a person and
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putting them on a stage in front of 10s of thousands of people in
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a part of North London with some very large, very prominent
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Jewish communities, that poses A fundamental threat to British
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Jews. So that's that has to be
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unacceptable. And it's good that there now
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seems that that won't happen. We need to separate that from
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the question of Kanye West wrestling with his own position
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and his own identity and is attempting to, you know, get
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over his mental health issues. And, you know, if engaging with
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the Jewish community in this country may play a positive role
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in that, that's something we're open to.
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But let's not imagine that that's some kind of route to
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salvation. Kanye West has hurt a great many
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people all over the world, including in the including the
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United States. So I think it would only be one
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part of a much wider series of actions that you'd have to
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engage in, I think to redress the the harm that he's caused.
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And and Yemi Jewish people are are not the only group that Yeey
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or Kanye has deeply, deeply offended, not least black people
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who he also addresses in his in his his his sorry letter if you.
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Yes, so it goes back to what he said about slavery being a
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choice, which obviously he recanted and apologised for.
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But though that's a deep wound in the black community that
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can't just be healed by a simple, sorry.
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To Toby's point, and as I said on Channel 4 News this past
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weekend, there needs to be a pattern of him really wanting to
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engage with these communities to really understand the pain that
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he's caused. And I believe that even without,
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you know, wireless or anything pertaining to it, he should be
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doing that anyway. But I guess the main thing
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that's really interesting me about, you know, the kind of
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line around him in the lead up to him being, you know, blocked
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entry was that his performance should be stopped even if he
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meets with, you know, members of the Jewish community.
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And I, I wonder why that is. I feel like obviously the
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performance in wireless is, I believe in July.
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So let's just say that he wasn't banned.
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Let's just say he wasn't blocked and he was willing to come to
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the UK this month, next month and really start to like have
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that dialogue, have that open dialogue with these communities.
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Is there? Does that then mean that even if
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that happens, he still should be banned from performing at
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wireless? I guess I'm just trying to
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understand the logic behind being welcoming to these
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conversations with him while also pushing for him to not
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perform. Well, Doctor Green, what do you
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think? I.
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Think there's a there's a couple of things I would say to that.
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One is here's an individual according to his account, whose
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mental instability expresses itself by him claiming to be a
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Nazi and promoting Nazi symbols, iconography, slogans, speeches,
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claims and submitted discourse, etcetera.
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OK. And it's clear that this is
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somebody who is not in his own rights, a stable individual.
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We're not willing to take the risk of having such an
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individual take to the stage in a couple of months time, just
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months on from releasing and promoting records with and and
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tracks with titles like how Hitler sampling speech as a
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matter of Hitler, you know, within the last year, just
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months ago. Well, we're not really willing
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to take that risk. Even if he now says that he's
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renounced renounced those positions.
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We'd want to be more confident. And I think that's an issue of
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of time. And the second factor is what
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we've seen in the United States is that Kanye West's remarks
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attract far right individuals, attract individuals to go around
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with banners saying Kanye West is right about Jews.
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And what we know also from the pattern in this country is one
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of the things that triggers a surge in anti-Semitic incidences
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in this country. And we have this from from the
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data are other anti-Semitic incidences.
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And we saw that for example when A and it does it.
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So it's not just what he says it, it then legitimizes a whole
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other wider discourse. And may attract anti-Semitic
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individuals or far out individuals to that specific
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location at that specific time with a specific purpose of
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taking advantage of the anti-Semitic rhetoric that Kanye
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West is trying to normalize. So there's a fear then that he
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might just become this symbol in the UK for the far right,
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essentially. That's one of the fears, I
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think, yes, although who the heck knows what he's going to
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say on that stage. It's hard to kind of know and
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hard to kind of extricate and extrapolate the exact influence
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that Kanye was the man the person has had on other far
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right sensibilities. I think it's very, very, very
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messy in that regard. And I guess while I hear what
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Toby's saying just as far as like that precaution, I guess
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that's that, that then leads me to question like, when is the
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right time? You know what I mean?
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I mean, obviously the healing process for communities, you
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know, takes as long as it needs to take.
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But if we're going to go by that logic, we're going to go by that
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reasoning, then Kanye West may never be able to perform here
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again. So I feel like there's there's
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something that needs to be said about, you know, someone who's
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willing to speak to people who he's offended and, you know,
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really hearing them out. And listen, the jury still out
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on whether, if he was to have these conversations, whether
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he'd actually change. Again, that's kind of hard to
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measure. Do you buy the apology?
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Initially I didn't buy the the apology because to Toby's point,
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he's apologized about things ad nauseam at this point.
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And I feel like there has been very little action on the ground
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to really show that he is actually, you know, changed face
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and he's actually like his opinions have changed.
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So here's a question. The government has banned people
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before because they are not their presence would be not
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conducive to public good. They've been declared non grata,
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generally far right figures or Islamists whose whose entire
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career, whose work is about division.
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But we're talking about a musician here who, whose work is
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not fundamentally about that, but has clearly said some
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incredibly offensive and damaging things.
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So isn't, isn't there a risk here of the government
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overstepping entering culture wars in a way that is actually
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quite problematic? So I guess to you Doctor Green
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that this is not the same for example as saying Git Wilders
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isn't welcome in the UK. So look, I think, you know, to
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the broad point, should the government intervene in culture
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wars and, and are we comfortable with the government banning
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people coming to this country for expressing opinions?
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I think we ought to all be very cautious about the government
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using those kinds of powers. We wouldn't want to see the
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government use those kinds of powers except in the most
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extreme circumstances are absolutely necessary and.
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Is is that where we are? Is this the?
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Is this the extreme circumstance?
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Well, I think it is justified in this case.
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As I said before, I think it's regrettable it's come to us.
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What I think we really need to ask is why the festival
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organizers thought, and I think on this, Yemi agrees with me,
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why the festival organizers thought it was a good idea to
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invite this, this artist when his record of problematic
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statements and even recordings is so current and so recent?
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And how could they think a simple, you know, a simple
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apology, given the context of what we know over the last few
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years, is enough to just kind of wave that away.
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And if this was a offence caused to any other ethnic minority,
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what I mean, there's offence cause to black people as well,
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as you've pointed out. I mean, we find certainly from
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the Jewish community perspective, we wonder if this
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was offence caused or the focus was on another ethnic minority
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group, would the indifference be the same?
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Perhaps it would, because in this case we know the offence is
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also caused to black people. Doctor Green, clear something up
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for us. Wyler said that they had reached
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out to Jewish leaders, Jewish community groups.
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Did they speak to you? So that could be very, very
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clear about that. So the Board of Deputies, we
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reached out by in writing to the festival organizers more than a
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week ago. We got a response from Melvin
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Ben, festival promoter, in writing yesterday, suggesting a
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meeting to which we responded positively.
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And I also know because I've been in touch with partner
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organizations, other Jewish communal organizations that I've
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been in touch with a similar pattern.
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They have not had an outreach from their festival organizers
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they that they refused to engage with.
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Not at all. Yemi should should Wireless have
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seen this coming? Absolutely.
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And I think when it comes to wireless and the booking of
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festivals, business is business. Ultimately, Kanye West is one of
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the biggest artists in the world.
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He's someone who wants you to announce his name on the
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billing. He's going to sell out all three
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days of a festival quite easily. But no, they definitely, they
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definitely got it wrong this time.
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They definitely misjudged the situation.
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And I think even after, you know, Pepsi pulling out and
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Diageo pulling out and the statements that have been made
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from, you know, Festival Republic, as well as Kanye
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himself, kind of show that they're kind of, you know,
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standing strong on this, on their stance and their decision.
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And yeah, I don't think it's the best for any parties involved
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really. And and there'll be people
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watching this who may have heard of Kanye but don't understand
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his significance. How?
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How big is he and why in hip hop is he so revered?
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Yeah, Kanye West is one of the biggest not just hip hop
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artists, but music artists of the 21st century.
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You know, he came into the game as a as a scrappy producer,
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producing for the likes of Jay-Z.
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And he finally got his big break releasing his debut album.
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And then he then went on to kind of curate this career where he
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just gave us so many hit singles, so many moments.
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And it's not even just the music.
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Outside of the music, he has kind of proven to be like a
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source for, I guess, political intent in a sense.
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You know, we go back to when he said that George Bush doesn't
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care about black people. He's these kind of political
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statements have always kind of been hard coded in him.
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You know, he's the son of Black Panthers, so he's always had
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that kind of zeal in him. And even as he's kind of matured
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in his music career, he's then lent his genius to, you know,
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fashion to culture. You know, Yeezy trainers were
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some of the most sought after trainers on the globe like a few
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years ago. So his imprint on music, his
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imprint on culture is undeniable.
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Here's a guy who can sell out stadiums, he can sell out
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festivals. His he's.
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He's the total package, really. Doctor Green Clearly Kanye has
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become someone who's very problematic, but I just wondered
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it just in terms of the kind of reach.
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Have you listened to his music ever?
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No, I must confess I'm not really a a hip hop Raptor rap
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listener so I can't really comment on on his music.
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But obviously we're all aware of his of his cultural impact and
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that's what makes this all the most serious.
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I mean, if it was a marginal and irrelevant figure then nobody
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would notice. But this is a guy not only that
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has the cultural reach that he has, but has the financial
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resources to take out an ad at the Super Bowl directing people
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to a website where the only thing on sale is AT shirt with a
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swastika logo and emblem. So it's all the more concerning
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from our perspective that here's a guy with massive financial
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resources, with huge cultural reach that could have the
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potential to promote and normalize the kinds of opinions
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and views and attitudes and symbols and iconography that
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he's promoting. Toby, if I, if I could, if I
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may. Let's just say none of this
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happened. Let's just say that you know, he
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hasn't been banned. He's still set to perform a
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wireless. He comes to the UK tomorrow.
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He meets with you. He meets with other members of
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the Jewish community and he you hear him out, you hear his
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peace. Would you?
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How would you react? How would you?
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How would you? How would you?
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How would you be around him? Would you believe him?
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Would you believe his his remorse?
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How would you approach that? Yeah.
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Well, firstly just to clarify what what what we said is that
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we would be interested to meet with him, but only if he was not
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performing at the festival. So I think the idea that we we
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not want to be in some kind of negotiation type situation.
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But if that interaction were to happen, I think of course
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representative of the Jewish community would want to listen.
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If somebody was coming expressing genuine remorse and
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wanted to engage and wanted to heal and wanted to build bridges
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and put right things that that that they've done wrong, then
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we'd engage in that openly. And of course we've got great
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sympathy for any individual suffering with mental health
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issues and disorders. And we'd hear and we'd listen
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and listen and engage and we'd want to test and, and, and how
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genuine that engagement is. But I think, you know, whatever
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form that engagement theoretically would take, you
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know, he he can't heal the harms that he has done simply by
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engaging with with British Jews begin the context of a festival
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that he's really keen to perform at.
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OK, he has to. It's going to be a much wider
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process I think, for him to to put right the things that that
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he's done rather. So my my closing question
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gentleman, was going to be what do wireless do next?
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But I have some breaking news because whilst while we've been
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recording, it's been cancelled, the festival's been cancelled.
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Yeah, yeah. Are you surprised?
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Very, I feel like it it's it's it's it's a couple of months
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out. I feel like they and this is
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another conversation about wireless in general, because
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obviously as Auk festival, they should be doing the most to
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platform British talent and this would have been a perfect
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opportunity to do so in Kanye's stead.
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So the fact that they're cancelling it entirely is knee
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jerk, I'd say. And I feel like it's quite
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misguided because I feel like it it didn't have to get to this
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point. Obviously it's a great shame.
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You know, we all love music festivals.
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We should all want to celebrate culture.
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We should want to create opportunities for for artists to
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be heard, diverse artists, as Yemi said, British artists.
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It's a it's a great shame. I hope that other festival
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organisers will well think carefully now and and just just
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take that extra due diligence and extra care.
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It is a kind of warning shot across the bowels of other other
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event organisers, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think other festival organisers will look at this and
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and be startled and they'll be alarmed by it.
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The fact that it's moved so quickly, the fact that the
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government played a role undeniably in it too.
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It kind of, like I said at the top of this, it sets a very
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worrying precedent for what festivals, independently of
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themselves, can really do and and and achieve in this country.
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So yeah, that's my at least my immediate reaction to it.
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It it it seems if he was their main and so far only advertised
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act and he can't come, then perhaps it's it's it's
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inevitable that this is that this is the outcome.
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The worrying precedent is the apparent indifference of the
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festival organizers to this record of anti-Semitic and Nazi
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remarks of an artist not causing them to think, actually, maybe
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we shouldn't be inviting this person.
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That's the worrying precedent. Wireless have released a
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statement. Let let me read it to you and
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just and, and get your response to it.
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So obviously this is this is following the Home Office
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decision. As with every Wireless Festival,
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multiple stakeholders were consulted in advance of booking
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yay and no concerns were highlighted at the time.
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That's what they say, they continue. anti-Semitism in all
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its forms is abhorrent. We recognise the real and
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personal impact these issues have had.
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As Ye said today he acknowledges that words are not enough and in
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spite of this, he still hopes to be given the opportunity to
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begin a conversation with the Jewish community in the UK.
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Dodge Green. Well, perhaps now that the
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festival's not going ahead, that there's a basis for that
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engagement to happen. But as I say, I think you know,
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he, he's an American artist. You know, he, I think there's
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many other communities and state, you know, people who have
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been hurt and harmed that he needs to engage with.
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And, and Yami, do you think it also opens space for a, for a
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discussion in in the black community, in the hip hop
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community about the responsibility, about artist
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responsibility? 100% I think anytime there is a
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controversy surrounding an artist, especially someone of
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Kanye's stature, someone that we love, someone who we're invested
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in what he says. And the, I guess the, the
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problematic nature of it all really does implore people to
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really understand or at least challenge their perception or
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challenge their understanding of, you know, the type of artist
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that they take in or you know, who they might defend, you know,
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to be able to see at a festival. It is quite interesting because
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it in in this moment of and lots of people will contest the
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phrase culture wars, but the the rise of right wing politics that
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the, the community tensions that we are all all experiencing.
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What what this appears to have told us is there is still one
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line that you cannot cross and that is the Holocaust and that
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is Hitler. I hope that's not the case.
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I think this is not about a kind of I, I, I.
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I think that that there are a whole host of issues on which
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artists need to show responsibility, not only those
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that are offense to the Jewish community, but offense to, you
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know, and the Jewish community is not looking for protections
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that any other ethnic minority is not seeking.
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And I think that the same standards should apply to any
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minority group and and against any form of hate speech that may
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cause harm to part of our society.
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It's been, it's been a kamikaze day.
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We went from, you know, all of the sponsors pulling out to now
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the first of all, completely cancelled.
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So I think this is a very interesting episode of what
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happens when, you know, as we talk about culture wars.
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It's a very interesting conversation and debate about,
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you know, the extent that, you know, independent entities like
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a wireless or festival Republic will go.
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Hopefully this will be a learning curve for festivals,
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for hopefully the government as well, in ways that we can move
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forward. Kanye or yay has just released
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another album, he's going on a tour, he's been performing in
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the States, sell out tours, clearly fans in America, and I
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suspect if Wireless had continued here it would have
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sold out. Clearly, fans are able, willing,
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prepared to separate the music from the musician.
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For sure, for sure. And I think that's, you know,
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obviously personal reasons. Everybody's threshold is
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different as well. Some people are very happy to
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ignore, you know, the open and glaring problems that their
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favorite artists carry with them.
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They're going to make their choices regardless.
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And I think when it comes to Kanye West, as much as he is
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such an amazing artist, he is someone who's soundtracked a lot
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of people's lives. And people cannot extrapolate
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from that. They can't extrapolate their own
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feelings from whatever negativity he might be
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espousing. So I think, yeah, it would have
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definitely sold out wireless all three days.
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And the fact that he's still performing and is and is able to
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generate such a loyal audience kind of just speaks one to the
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influence and the impact of the man himself, but also just this
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this idea of, you know, thresholds being different and
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maybe people not necessarily caring about who he offends as
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well. Obviously I understand that he's
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a global star. If he'd never engaged in any of
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this terrible rhetoric, he'd be selling out concerts.
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If we look at the at the track list of this album, not only
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does it include this track, How Hitler, it includes a track
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entitled Gas Chamber. It includes a track, a track
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entitled, I think if I'm getting this right, Jesus, yay.
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Hitler is the name of the of the of the track, right?
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This is a very disturbing pattern.
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And it's not only that you've got Kanye West, a global, you
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know, successful artist that's now dabbling in or not dabbling.
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He's embracing this Nazi iconography and language.
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But unfortunately the terrible truth is that iconography and
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far right and extremist language also sells.
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We are in a global information environment where extremism
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sells and that is something very, very troubling that we've
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got to pay attention to also. Doctor Green, he's he's banned
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currently as we understand it in Australia, but to what extent is
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this discussion taking place in the USA amongst American Jewry?
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I don't, I, I don't really know to be honest, to be honest with
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you. But obviously, you know, you can
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only imagine that the concerns of the American Jewish community
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will be very, very high. And in the US what we're seeing
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unfortunately is a normalization of far right anti-Semitic
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rhetoric much more broad, which is much broader as a phenomenon
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in Kanye West. I just give a particular
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illustration. I think it was shortly before
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the before the US election that both Kanye West and another far
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right Holocaust denying anti semite by the name of Nick
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Fuentes went to have dinner with Donald Trump at his home in Mar
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a Lago. So in the US context, I think
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you'll find the American Jewish community very alarmed by the
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normalisation of far right anti-Semitism as a phenomenon
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that goes far beyond Kanye West and also touches on the broader
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MAGA movement. But of course, in in this case,
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it ultimately has come down to a work permit issue.
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Kanye's American and preventing him from performing.
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There would be a completely different discussion around
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freedom of speech, I suspect on a on on a a rapidly moving day.
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Doctor Toby Green and Yemi Abiadi, thank you very much
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indeed for sharing your thoughts and insights on on Kanye and
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wireless and his banning. We appreciate your time.
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Thank you for having. US, thank you very much.
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