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42 - Elizabeth Báthory - The Blood Countess · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to an Airwave media podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome or welcome back to Who Did
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  Speaker 2: What Now? The history podcast that's not your history class
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  Speaker 2: with me? Your host Kerry Charlwood, History Harlot and reader
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  Speaker 2: of books. Well well, well, well, I am just back
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  Speaker 2: from Scotland. I'm currently camping out in a hotel room.
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  Speaker 2: Just I just like to stop off to antigen tests
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  Speaker 2: and all that before I head on, because safety fust.
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  Speaker 1: And all that.
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  Speaker 2: So doing that, I had awesome weekend. I got to
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  Speaker 2: see Doctor Strange, Multiverse of Madness. Fucking love Wanda, I
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  Speaker 2: really do, and as a lifelong Sammarai meet and Bruce
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  Speaker 1: Just I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, and I love the the movement up m.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give any spoilers away, but it was.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: Also managed to get my ass kicked at Crazy Golf.
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  Speaker 1: As it turns out, I do not have any skill when.
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  Speaker 2: It comes to golfing, either pitching pot, regular golfing stuff
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  Speaker 2: nor crazy golf.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the crazy golf was fun. I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: I had a great time, but I have no skill.
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  Speaker 2: That is fine, I really enjoyed myself. Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: a fun time. Oh and then a move that will
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  Speaker 2: surprise absolutely fucking no one.
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  Speaker 1: I did. We did another escape room. Fucking love escape rooms.
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  Speaker 2: This one was which was my first magician site and
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get to play with a magic wand so
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  Speaker 2: that's always fun. That was an eek escape rooms in Glasgow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and they have two more rooms ere ones like this
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  Speaker 1: This is me liking their stuff.
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  Speaker 2: They've a ghost of Mary, Queen of Scotts. Because you know,
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  Speaker 2: generally anything historical based or literary based I tried, I
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  Speaker 2: would dive into because that's who I am as a person.
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  Speaker 2: They've got the ghost of Mary, Queen of Scotts and
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  Speaker 2: like a nineteen nineties pop.
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  Speaker 1: Musician murder person.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, oh that those seemed like interesting ones.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll probably do one of them next time. Do
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  Speaker 2: I think of all the escape rooms I've done, I've
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  Speaker 2: done two in Belfast. One was a Game of Thrones
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  Speaker 2: and one was a Jack the Ripper type thing. Like
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  Speaker 2: I did see an option for like a Titanic one,
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  Speaker 2: so might do that. Actually, you know, I'd be like Melissa, Melissa,
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  Speaker 2: come over, we'll do one. Make her come to Belfast
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  Speaker 2: just so we can do a Titanic escape room.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like she would if she was in Belfast.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like she'd do that with me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Melissa and her lady from the God's Favorites podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and in double and I've done a Game
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  Speaker 2: of Thrones one and a Baker's Street.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a Charlotte Holmes. Charlotte Holmes. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: I've done so far. So, like, if anybody has any
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  Speaker 2: recommendations for escape rooms in like certain cities, like just recommend.
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  Speaker 1: Them to me.
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  Speaker 2: just my personal Twitter which is at History Harlot. But
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  Speaker 2: just I fucking love escape rooms or I have a theory,
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  Speaker 2: right the escape rooms are actually perfect first date to
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  Speaker 2: sort of ideas because it very much teaches you what
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  Speaker 2: a person is like, like if they were a complete
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  Speaker 2: fucking hourshole, if they're they have control issues, if they
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  Speaker 2: think they're smarter than you, you know, all that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff's gonna come out in this one er, there's
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  Speaker 2: one hour stretch. You know, how they react to the
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  Speaker 2: situation they're in and how they treat you within it
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  Speaker 2: is going to be a very good indicator of what
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  Speaker 2: they're like as a person, because you know, it just
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  Speaker 2: it just is.
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  Speaker 1: But I know what you're thinking, you're thinking, what your
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  Speaker 1: Are you sitting comfortably good? Then let's begin.
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  Speaker 2: You see, I have a revelation for young Elizabeth Bathory
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  Speaker 2: was innocent. So Elizabeth Bathori, who I'm going to refer
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  Speaker 2: to as Elizabeth because that's her fucking name, and I
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  Speaker 2: be sparked on by the fact that I walk past
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  Speaker 2: an advert in Dublin a report today which said Grace
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  Speaker 2: O'Malley in Dublin with the actual fuck by the way,
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  Speaker 2: before you know what, I'm going to run for a second,
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  Speaker 2: because fuck this for a game of soldiers.
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  Speaker 1: You see, her name was Gronya or Granya.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care however you pronounce it, you know, depending
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  Speaker 2: on which region you're from, which dialect you speak.
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  Speaker 1: Her name was not Grace. There is no.
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  Speaker 2: Anglicized version of Gronia. And the fact that this made
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  Speaker 2: it through every single step of the way that an
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  Speaker 2: Irish advert in the International Irish Airport fucking Grace. Her
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  Speaker 2: name isn't Grace, It's Gronia, Grania O'Malley. And as far
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  Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, anyone who refers to her as Grace
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  Speaker 2: and does not use her actual name, which is Groania,
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  Speaker 2: is trash.
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  Speaker 1: You're trash. Your book is trash, your film is trash,
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  Speaker 1: your eye read is trash, your gin is trash. I
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  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. It's trash.
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  Speaker 2: So it is a bit I'm trying desperately to pronounce correctly.
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  Speaker 2: She is known as the Blood Countess and is even
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  Speaker 2: in the Guinness Book of Records as the most prolific
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  Speaker 2: female serial killer because not only did she hunt down
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  Speaker 2: virgin of the nobility in peasantry lay, she would capture them,
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  Speaker 2: torture them, and drain their blood from their bodies to
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  Speaker 2: fill her bath so that she may perform occult stuff
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  Speaker 2: and regain by soaking her skin in the blood.
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  Speaker 1: Of the innocence. La la la la la.
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  Speaker 2: Spooky, except it's all fucking bullshit, and Algabet Bathery was
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  Speaker 2: a victim of the fucking patriarchy.
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  Speaker 1: Algabet was born only seventh of August fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty, which is nice to have a birth date because,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, women in the past, we don't always
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  Speaker 2: get them.
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  Speaker 1: But luckily for us, she was noble. She was actually
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  Speaker 1: really fucking noble. So her entire family is noble up
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  Speaker 1: the Wazir.
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  Speaker 2: So she's like related to Barrens and Baroness's the King
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  Speaker 2: of Poland, Grunching of Lithuania, Prince of Transylvania, so on
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  Speaker 2: and so forth. So yeah, she was born on a
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  Speaker 2: family estate near Bator in Royal Hungary. Now, we don't
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  Speaker 2: know too much about her childhood because because you know,
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  Speaker 2: she's a woman in the past, so why.
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  Speaker 1: The fuck could we care about that.
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  Speaker 2: What we do know is that when she was a kid,
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  Speaker 2: she had multiple seizures. So the prevailing theory is that
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  Speaker 2: she had some form of epilepsy. And so what they
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  Speaker 2: would do at the time to treat what they would
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  Speaker 2: call falling sickness this was a medical practice, is they
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  Speaker 2: would rub the blood of someone who didn't have epilepsy
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  Speaker 2: onto the lips of someone who did.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure, I'm sure there's a real in for that.
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  Speaker 2: So, like a lot of European nobility at the time,
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  Speaker 2: Alzhabet had a very typical education. Can you see this
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  Speaker 2: throughout the mainland of Europe, everywhere from up here and
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  Speaker 2: over in Hungary, all the way through France down to Spain,
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  Speaker 2: where Catherine of Aragon and Isabella were also taught this
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  Speaker 2: level of education. So throughout her schooling, Erzebut learns Latin, German, Hungarian,
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  Speaker 2: Greek and arithmetic. And the thing about the batteries, which
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  Speaker 2: is different to.
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  Speaker 1: Like quite a lot of Europe at the.
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  Speaker 2: Time, is that they were Calvinist Protestants, so quite a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Europe at the time was So in fifteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy three, Alzebet is engaged to Count Ladas because well,
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  Speaker 2: it's a whole political thing. It's all families marrying into
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  Speaker 2: each other to ensure political stability, social growth, so on
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  Speaker 2: and so forth. And they get married two years later,
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  Speaker 2: and as a wedding gift, he decides, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I could get you some jewelry. I could get you
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  Speaker 2: some I don't know, shiny robes, shoes, women love shoes.
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  Speaker 1: Right, No, that's not enough. I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 1: a castle.
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  Speaker 2: So he ends up giving her this household, the Castle
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  Speaker 2: of Chieschi, which is basically in modern day Slovakia. So
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  Speaker 2: he gives her this and a country house and seventeen
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  Speaker 2: seventeen fucking villages like that were in the sort of area.
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  Speaker 2: So their wedding is like the highlight of this season.
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  Speaker 2: They're both really fucking noble. They are the royalty of
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  Speaker 2: the area, you know. So they had four and a
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  Speaker 2: half thousand guests at their wedding, all from like the
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  Speaker 2: krem de la creme of Hungarian society and nobility. Fun fact,
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  Speaker 2: because Elzhebet actually outranked him through like the royal and
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  Speaker 2: noble hierarchy. She keeps her name and then he sort
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  Speaker 2: of adds it onto his. So not long after they
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  Speaker 2: get married, he has to go and continuous studies, and
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  Speaker 2: like quite a lot of marriages at the time, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't live together too much. So he goes, he does
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  Speaker 2: his studies, and then when he actually completes them, he's
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  Speaker 2: appointed the chief commander of the Hungarian troops for King
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  Speaker 2: Matthias the Second, So not as day. He is such
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  Speaker 2: a fucking monster on the battlefield that he actually gets
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  Speaker 2: the name the Black Knight of Hungary, which is good
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  Speaker 2: for you know, Hungary, because they were all fighting the Ottomans,
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  Speaker 2: and well he's away slinging his sword at the Ottomans
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  Speaker 2: or acts or pike. I feel like a pike seems
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  Speaker 2: not noble enough for a warrior. That's not the point anyway,
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  Speaker 2: So airs a bit. She's used to it at this point,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So he was away at college living his
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  Speaker 2: best life, and now he's away fighting. So this is
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  Speaker 2: all part of the power for her. So she's spent
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  Speaker 2: quite a lot of time from when she was like
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  Speaker 2: fifteen ruling like she's been doing this. She's been managing
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  Speaker 2: all of his holdings, which are really bloody vast by
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  Speaker 2: the way. She's managing business affairs and all the estates,
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  Speaker 2: and like during the Long War, she's providing medical care.
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  Speaker 2: She's defending all of these estates, which are really really
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  Speaker 2: important by the way, because because a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: land that they had is on the route to Vienna.
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  Speaker 1: So strategically they're really really fucking important. So she's keeping
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  Speaker 1: an eye on all this. So she's dealing with all
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  Speaker 1: this strategic shit.
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  Speaker 2: She's really really competent, which people didn't really like. These
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  Speaker 2: places were like constantly under threat of attack as well.
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  Speaker 2: The Ottomans were always coming in and reading because you
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  Speaker 2: had Chesture, which is being plundered.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course you.
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  Speaker 2: Have Sarvar, which is really fucking close to the border
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  Speaker 2: between the Royal Hungary Royal Hungary.
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  Speaker 1: And Ottoman occupied Hungary.
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  Speaker 2: And so while all this is going on, not only
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  Speaker 2: is she dealing with all of these grandiose, massive matters,
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  Speaker 2: she's also intervening in the lives of everyday women. She's
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  Speaker 2: intervening and jumping in. She is, oh, yeah, trigger warning,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna mention sexual assault.
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  Speaker 1: So you can just skip.
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  Speaker 2: Like thirty seconds, I'd say, great, Okay. So it's about
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  Speaker 2: she's intervening in like the lives of destitute women.
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  Speaker 1: She's supporting women whose husbands have been kidnapped by ottomans.
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  Speaker 2: And she intervenes on a rape case because this woman
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  Speaker 2: comes to her because her daughter was raped and was impregnated,
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  Speaker 2: and Heerzebeit steps in and basically basically gives the woman,
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  Speaker 2: gives this daughter agency and says, you're okay.
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  Speaker 1: You're not like a fallen woman. You know, she is
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  Speaker 1: provided for, you know, she has cared for.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, she is managing landes, defending castles, running hospitals,
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  Speaker 2: protecting the lives of innocence, like all evil Blood countesses do.
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  Speaker 2: And during this time, because they were sort of together
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  Speaker 2: and then apart and together and then apart, they have
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  Speaker 2: five kids together, three of whom survive into adulthood.
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  Speaker 1: That's day.
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  Speaker 2: He really wasn't around so much, so it was really
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  Speaker 2: up to Urge a bit to raise them.
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  Speaker 1: Really, so she was also doing that too.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, they would have had like a master of
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  Speaker 2: the sword and a governess and all those kind of
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  Speaker 2: things people to teach them, schooling language, et cetera, et cetera. So,
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  Speaker 2: of course, being a lady of nobility, especially in Europe
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  Speaker 2: at the time, she had a court and members of
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  Speaker 2: the court they would send their daughters there, So noble
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  Speaker 2: girls and young women, they would be sent there for
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  Speaker 2: kind of like the best way I can describe it
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  Speaker 2: as like a finishing school. But this was a really
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  Speaker 2: really common thing amongst nobility, especially in Europe at the time,
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  Speaker 2: like you would send your kid off to someone else,
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  Speaker 2: to some other lord or lady of the realm, and
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  Speaker 2: then they would send their kids somewhere else, like if
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  Speaker 2: you had someone of a greater nobility staying with you,
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  Speaker 2: then that really put you up the social wrong. But
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  Speaker 2: it was also a very political thing as well, because
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  Speaker 2: this was how a liance were made. So the teenage
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  Speaker 2: daughters of these noble families would be sent to Elzebet's
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  Speaker 2: court and they would finish their.
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  Speaker 1: Education and learn codly manners.
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  Speaker 2: They would learn how to be functioning ladies in noble society.
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  Speaker 1: So they would be.
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  Speaker 2: Under the care of Elzebet, who you know, teaches them
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  Speaker 2: how to be proper young ladies. And as a part
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  Speaker 2: of this as well, she would make sure that they
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  Speaker 2: were protected and chaste, so that they would be ready
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  Speaker 2: for husbands. And of course, being a young lady in
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  Speaker 2: the court of the countess battery, that's really going to
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  Speaker 2: raise your eligibility levels.
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  Speaker 1: It just raised your chances of finding a high ranking husband.
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  Speaker 2: So at one point, while Lata's day's away fighting war,
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  Speaker 2: you know, another epidemic is sweeping through the nation, and
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  Speaker 2: there's this disease outbreak court and a small group of
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  Speaker 2: these girls in the minor nobility, they die, They get sick,
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  Speaker 2: and they die, and so else a bit, she returns
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  Speaker 2: the bodies to the families so that they can have
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  Speaker 2: a Christian burial, so that they can mourn the laws
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  Speaker 2: and bury their children.
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  Speaker 1: And at the time, the families.
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  Speaker 2: Of these girls, they very much agreed and believed that
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  Speaker 2: the girls had passed away from this illness, with one
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  Speaker 2: of the mothers going so far as to provide a
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  Speaker 2: sworn statement to a notary saying that her daughter died
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  Speaker 2: of an illness and that it was not the fault
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  Speaker 2: of the countess. And of course, while the war is
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  Speaker 2: still raging on, she's running these estates, and she is
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  Speaker 2: running them well, so well, in fact, that the estate
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  Speaker 2: is so fucking wealthy, they're able to loan money to
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  Speaker 2: the King Mattias to use for the war effort. From
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  Speaker 2: about sixteen oh one, another's day he was involved in
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  Speaker 2: he either had some sort of accident or some sort
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  Speaker 2: of degrading condition, because he starts having this excruciating and
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  Speaker 2: his legs which he never recovers from. Like by sixteen
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  Speaker 2: oh three, he is permanently disabled.
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  Speaker 1: He has no use of his legs.
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  Speaker 2: And on the fourth of January sixteen oh four, Rink
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  Speaker 2: Nada's de dies at the age of forty eight, but
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  Speaker 2: knowing the end was coming, Nada's Day entrusts his heirs
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  Speaker 2: and his widow to Georgi Thurzo, which honestly may not
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  Speaker 2: have been the best idea in the long run. So
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  Speaker 2: when sixteen oh four rolls along, Elzabet not only loses
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  Speaker 2: her husband but also her brother. They die like pretty
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  Speaker 2: close to one another, and her oldest son, I think
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  Speaker 2: is only six years old at this point, And obviously.
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  Speaker 1: This is really emotional.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how close romantically she was with her
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  Speaker 2: husband or her or her closer relationship she actually had
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  Speaker 2: with her brother, but it's still going to be upsetting.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a massive load of grief on
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  Speaker 2: your shoulders losing to people so closely together. Also, in addition, furthermore,
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  Speaker 2: it also cuts two streams of revenue for Erzebit, so
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  Speaker 2: that she didn't have the income from not as Day
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  Speaker 2: being the Black Knight of Hungary, and she also didn't
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  Speaker 2: have any income coming from the states of her brother
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  Speaker 2: because he had no son to inherit. And so, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, patriarchal bullshit, because her brother had no son
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  Speaker 2: to inherit, all the shit the estate goes to some
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  Speaker 2: distant cousin instead of his nephew, which seems like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in a family tree, it definitely seems like the closest branch,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it. So basically everything that was her husband's, all
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  Speaker 2: the lands in these states, technically they go to her son,
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  Speaker 2: but because.
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  Speaker 1: He was only like six at the time, she rules
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  Speaker 1: in his stead. She can she governs.
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  Speaker 2: So she's controlling this really wealthy and really fucking massive
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  Speaker 2: estate which is strategically located on the trade route to Vienna.
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  Speaker 2: But again she's lost money from here and from here,
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  Speaker 2: and in order to keep things running, she sells to
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  Speaker 2: her castle. She's like bye bye, done. And so because
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  Speaker 2: els Abit is a widow. They expect her to be
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  Speaker 2: this soft target without a.
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  Speaker 1: Man to protect her, and she's like no.
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  Speaker 2: And in sixteen oh six, this count comes in and
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  Speaker 2: seizes one of.
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  Speaker 1: Her estates, and el Zibit is.
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  Speaker 2: Like, fuck this for a game of soldiers, And she said, Okay,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna paraphrase here, but here's basically what she said.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: What the actual living fuck do you think you're doing.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not like that weak widow over there who let
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you brump in and steal.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: All her shit.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I Am not like that weak little widow woman crying
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: in the corner who, like you, must learn and steal
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: a or shit and her children's inheritance held to the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: No listen, I'm not gonna keep quiet. I will let
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: no one fuck with me and take my shit. This
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: bit isn't paraphrasing, it's just translated into English. Believe me,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I will not keep silent. I will let no one
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: take my property. I just wanted you to know this.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Do not think I shall leave you to enjoy it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: You will find a man in me. So basically what
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: she's saying is, I'm gonna rip your balls off and
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to deal with it. So she is
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: this wealthy and powerful and strong woman in.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: An era which really wasn't.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Comfortable accepting either of those features in a woman. So
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: at the same time, Elghebet is putting pressure on King
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Matthias to pay back what some might call substantial debts,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: considering she'd been funding the crown's wars for I don't know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: a couple of fucking decades and so. And at the
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: same time, her nephew was the Prince of Transylvania, who
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: wasn't who was basically opposing King Matthias. And here's the thing,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the Prince of Transylvania, he really wouldn't have been an issue,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: except with Elgebet's power and money behind him, he becomes
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: a force to be reckoned with. Ergo elzebit is a
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: force to be reckoned with Elgebet battery had to be stopped.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: On the twenty ninth of December sixteen ten, the fifty
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: year old widowed Countess's dinner was interrupted by the arrival
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: of Girogi Tourzo, the Viceroy of Hungary, at the gates.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: What's funny is the interrupted her eating, But reports will
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: say that they walked in and her torturing a girl,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: which he wasn't doing because she was eating her dinner.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: So Georgie also happens to be her cousin and a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: member of sort of the lower nobility. But Nata's Day
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: had entrusted the care of his widow and his heirs
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: to Georgie.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Thinking he could trust him.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: But basically, since Georgie took the took the role of
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: palatine or viceroy of Hungary, she's kind of like like
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: like a chief justice kind of thing. Since he took
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: that role, he had been trying to get Elghebet sent
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: off to a nunnery so that he could take control
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: fully of well natas Day's full estate and lands and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: all the good money that comes with it, because his
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: family was wealthy, just not quite as wealthy as her.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So he brings forward this because there's these rumors going.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: About that she's doing all this dodgy stuff, that she's.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Into the occult and all those kind of things, which
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: even if she was, so was everybody at the time.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Everybody was really fucking obsessed with it, and it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Wasn't really that big of a deal because it was
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: just one of those weird fascinations kind of like how
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we watch superhero movies.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: We watch the blockbusters. Blockbusters are very much a common
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: thing that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: We watch, so being into the occult was kind of
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: like the hobby of the time, you know what I mean.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: So these rumors are swirling around that she's up to
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: all this dodgy shit.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: So Georgie's like, I'm gonna investigate this.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: For no reason whatsoever, which wasn't driven by being in
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: crippling debt. King Matthias is the one who has signed
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: this investigation to Georgie convenient, so he rounds up all
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the servants and separates Elzebit. She is and she is
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: writing to all these nobles and all the gentry and everybody,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and she's like, what the fuck is going on?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: You want to help me out here?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: So they spent over a year just like collecting witness statements,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the majority of which just feel like hearsay because it's like, oh,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: well this happened, and I saw these bodies and people
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: are missing, and there's like a bunch of other fucking things.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So will she's under house arrest.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Actually, Georgie's wife raids the Countess's rooms looking for all
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: of her jewels and shit, she's just like so dodgy.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: This trial is held but without el Zabet or any
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: opposing council or any kind of advocates. No, there's a
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: trial held and the court is basically told of all.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Of these like bodies found at the castle.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna talk about torture for like a
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: minute and a half.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna skip forward a minute and a half
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: if you don't want to hear that warning. Okay.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: So there's basically tales of girls between the ages of
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: ten and fourteen being beaten, burned with candles, poked with needles, tongs,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and their feet burnt with hot iron and then dipped
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: into freezing cold water. So, according to the testimony, she
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: kept her servants chained up every night so tight that
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: their hands turned blue and sported blood. Now that's just
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a good way to get your fucking staff to mutiny
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: on you, it's all I'm saying.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: She strangled a servant.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: To death with a silk scarf allah the Turkish way,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: stitched victims lips and tongues together, made servants sit and
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: or bathe in stinging nettles, beating victims to the point
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: with her so much blood that they had to use
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: ash to clean it up, to absorb all smeared girls
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: in honey, and left them to be devoured by the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: ants and the bees and the flies. She starved them
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and if they were thirsty, made them drink their own pists,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and stuffed not one, not two, but five.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Servants corpses underneath the bed, and then fed them food
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: as if they were still alive. Okay, cool.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Some would be placed insid an iron maiden, an old
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: device that she received from her deceased husband. But when
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: she was too tired to even close the door of
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a vertical sarcophagus, she would lay in bed and have
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the young women brought to her so that she may
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: bite lumps off of their flesh. So there were four
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: servants who were also tortured, and so they gave statements
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: under dress. They had their fingers turned out with her pincers.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Some were burned alive. One of the younger servants managed
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: to get was given the merciful death of beheading. But
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: basically no one got to cross examine. All of the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: information was given via fucking torture under dress. So let's
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: break this down a little bit. Shall we First of all,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the iron Maiden. There's lots lots of talks of the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Iron Maiden. The Iron Maiden wasn't actually a real thing.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Ask any medievalist.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: It's fake.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: It was invented by the Victorians because the Victorians ruin everything.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So iron Maiden not fucking real, not real at all,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: not a fucking thing. So I went that this came later,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna add in now because we can't. So
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: one of the things that Elzabd is accused of is
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: obviously bathing in the blood of virgins to keep herself.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Young and beautiful to doo adob be brutiful.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: No, nah, fuck that, because one thing that always seems
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to slip the mound whoever discusses this, is that blood
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: coagulates really fucking quickly. You're talking like five to eight
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: minutes before it starts getting all like sticky and gloopy,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: So bathing in it it just wouldn't work. It be
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: all lumpy and gloopy and sticky.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: It would not be a.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Pleasant bathing experience by any stretch of the imagination. Plus,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: this isn't even a time where people bathed regularly, so
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: like it just doesn't make sense. So she's supposed to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: have personally tortured all of.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: These young girls.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Now here's the thing. This is a bloody countess, not
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: a blood countess body countess.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Right, She.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't actually torture people, would she like, you don't get
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: your hands dirty.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: If you're noble, you have other people to do that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: for you. And so if she was torturing people for
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: any kind of reason, she would have her servants do
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it for her, which, to be honest, is no real
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: difference to any man of the time.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It only ever seems to be brought up when a
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: woman does it, generally because it's again to them the
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: ten or nature of women. I said, pooh, I say
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to that, pooh pooh, because like all of and here's
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, if nothing else, there's no letter of complaint,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and like if else a bit, if there was complaints
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: about her, it would be written down, like in this
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: time period, if somebody was injured or harmed, or or
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: if you like, swiped somebody's.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Livestock, a fucking goose or a chicken.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe not a goose, a goose would fight you. Chicken
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: probably an easier steal. But yeah, if you did, like
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that an official complaint was written with a notary. So
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the trial is held and they have this witness come
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: forward who does the biggest hearsay of hearsay ever, And
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: this servant girl comes forward and goes, oh, well, this
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: other servant had seen this book which had a list
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of like six hundred and fifty names of all of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: the girls that you know, the countess had killed. But
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: like the person she said had they told her about
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the book, even under torture, never claimed to have seen
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the book, like he didn't mention it. It wasn't a thing,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: but they took it as evidence anyway, And fun fact,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: no one ever found the fucking book, almost as if
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the book.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Never existed in the first place. Ah surprise.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: So like not only were there no complaints like official records,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: but Alzebet wanted to get like the testimony of the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: noble woman who you know, who stated that the daughter
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: died of like an illness that wasn't admissible, that wasn't
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: allowed to be brought into court. Al Zabet also wasn't
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: allowed to speak in her defense, and like some of
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the stuff they accused her of, like you know, the
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: things were you know, like with the sort of bathing
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: and nettles like that was sort of like a folk
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: remedy of the time as well, So you know, it's
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: just funny that that was like one of the accusations,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: like oh no, she's using traditional medicine ooooooo, and like
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: throughout the trial it's sort of the numbers just kind
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: of fucking jump around. You've got like thirty year, four
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: hundred years, six fifty there, and it just gets it
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: just snowballs. We don't have any names of the people
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: she supposedly killed. Even if they were lower gentry, they're
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: still gentry, they're still noble. We should have names of victims,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't like she was out, you know, kidnapping
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: peasant girls in the night.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: The people she supposedly killed were.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Nobility, so there should be some record of who they were,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: like something, whether we don't like not only do we
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: have no record of that, because like they like to
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: write shit down at this point, they like to say,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: all this person is betrothed to this person. It'd be
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: like Mazragosha is betrothed to Vladislav, Francesca here is betrothed
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to Igor, and Anna is gonna be engaged to blow
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the mirror over here, and so on and so forth,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: like it's all gonna be it's all gonna be like that,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: But there would be records of like all of these betrothals,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: all of these engagements suddenly breaking, because it would be
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: weird if there was these like sudden like especially over
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: this period of time, for that all of these betrothals
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: just not happen because of the sudden and unexplained disappearance
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and or death of these women in this area. But
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the fact that they spent a year searching and questioning
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and torturing when like they'll logical.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Thing to do.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: The easiest way to prove someone's guilty of murder is
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to just show the bodies because apparently there was like
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: cartloads just like carts and carts full of body parts
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and bones and fleshy bits, but like they'd have to
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: go somewhere.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: They'd have to be.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Buried or burned or like, hey, here's this big ash
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: pit where we found some teeth. And if she did
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: really kill as many people as they say she did,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: nobody's gonna go out intg like and bury just like
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: a hand or a femur or something like that. They're
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: gonna mask grave it, because that's what you have to
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: do when you've got a fucked out of bodies. So
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: where where were they interred? And you could remember as well.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Religion was like massive at the time, so the nobility
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: of the era, they would want to provide their their relatives,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: their children with a Christian burial. So at the very
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: least the great it would have to be on hallowed
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: ground so that they could either move the bodies or
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: body parts or have the ground blessed.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: You know, they'd have to know somewhere where they goes.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: They never found any graves, they never found any body parts.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: So like this trial is kind of like an off
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the book's trial as well, because if it was like
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: an official proper trial and Elzebit was found guilty, King Matthias.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: He would have been able to like claim all of
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: our land and all over shit and he could write
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: off his deck to her.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: But she had been writing to all the nobility, right,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: and they basically went no, and so they kind of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: stood in between him and her, and like he really
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: didn't want to have to like fight the nobility who
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: would be backed with all of Elzebit's fucking money, You
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: know what, I mean because it was still there. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the thing is as well that like the family had
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: all kind of got together and divided up all of Elzebet's.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Land and stuff, you know, so that they were all
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: happy with who cut what, and still let them retain
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the power of the area.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: So the trial was concluded, but Alzebet wasn't quite made
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: guilty because they couldn't, you know, execute her. They couldn't
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: do that because that would have been a fucking uproar
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: that would have caused a war. So they're like, well,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: just put her under house arrest. Georgie was still trying
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to get her sent to a fucking nunnery, and like,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: while the trial is still going on, she writes a
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: well basically saying that all of her current and future
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: inheritance and possessions and yadi, YadA, YadA goes to her kids,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: nice and simple, just getting everything ducks in a row.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: And so by January sixteen eleven, so a year later,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: al Zebet is put under house arrest. So Georgie he
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: he writes that alsibeit is actually bricked up in her
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: room with like a wee hole and stuff to go through,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: but other accounts actually suggest that it was just house arrest.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: She wasn't allowed to leave the castle. She just had
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: a constant bodyguard on her all time, which kind of
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: seems to me like probably not the worst instance she
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: could be in.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And so for the next.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Four years Rzebit she is confined to the castle, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: on the twentieth of August sixteen fourteen, she complains to
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: her bodyguard that her hands are cold, and he's like,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: go lie down, you're fine. So she goes and lies down,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and when they go to check on her the very
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: next morning, she is dead. And so Countess lzebeit Battery
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: passes away in her sleep at the age of fifty four.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Her body is allowed to be removed and interred with
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: her family in exid And another thing for someone who
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: was apparently such a horrific and cruel person and did
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: all these terrible, terrible things, her body was allowed to
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: be interred with her family crypt, which is which would
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: have been on hallowed, which seems like it wouldn't have
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: been allowed if it was genuinely believed that she was
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: doing all of these awful, awful things. And so throughout
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: time and history elseahbed Batthery's story is weaving through folklore
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and whispers, adding a little bit more each time, embellishing here,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: terrifying there, until she becomes known as the horrific blood Countess,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: a myth perpetuated by patriarchal standards and abuse throughout the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: fucking centuries, because being an independent, strong woman at any
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: point in history means that your reputation will not be
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: accepted by the pale and stale male historians, and so
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: the reputation in personhood of any person who does not
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: fall into the perfect little box of womanhood has to
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: be tarnished, twisted, or destroyed. So what did we learned today?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: We learned that the patriarchy just doesn't fucking stop. The
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: fact that a level headed wife and mother was a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: competent manager of massive wealthy estates continuing to be a
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: powerful public figure instead of retiring and mourning after her
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: husband's untimely demise was the downfall of this intelligent, strong,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: wild woman in seventeenth century Hungary. We also learned that
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: the easiest thing to gain and the hardest thing to
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: lose is a reputation, and that historically men generally don't
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: seem to like it when women have autonomy, agency and power,
• 37:55
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  Speaker 1: You did help.
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  Speaker 2: It really means a lot to me, especially knowing that
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  Speaker 2: this is providing some kind of joy or interest and
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  Speaker 2: you know, friendliness. We're just sitting about having a week
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  Speaker 2: chat talking about history. I'm not friend who doesn't shut up,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: keeps talking, which is me in real life anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm really glad all.
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  Speaker 2: Of you are here, really really, but don't forget. You
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: can follow me on social media as well. I am
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook with who Did What Now pod?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I'm on Twitter for who Died What NOWPD? But you
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: can also follow history Harlot there.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: As well, which leads us to which leads us to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: recommendation time.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know I had to sing that, let alone
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  Speaker 2: sing that pearly, so sorry and tough luck. So reading,
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  Speaker 2: I am currently reading Glass Houses by Melaniemer. I don't
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: read nonfiction books often, but this is by my friend,
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  Speaker 2: and I fucking I will support her no matter what.
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  Speaker 2: And also, I've been traveling, so when I travel I
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  Speaker 2: like to read. It's nice to read something that isn't
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: full of horror, really, because like everything historical is just
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: sad listening. I'm actually going to recommend a tenfold more wicked.
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  Speaker 2: I think I probably recommended this before. It is a
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: historical true crime podcast, and it tends to do it
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  Speaker 2: in seasons over one story over a full season.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're like dark crime history.
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  Speaker 2: That's for you. Go check it out and watching What
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  Speaker 2: are we watching now? So everything ever, We're All at
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  Speaker 2: Once has been released. I have not seen it yet.
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  Speaker 2: It is not yet released in Ireland, or at the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: very least it is not released where I live in Ireland,
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  Speaker 2: but apparently it's released today in the UK, which means
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: it should also be available for.
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  Speaker 1: Most parts of the world.
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  Speaker 2: So I would go see everything ever We're All at
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  Speaker 2: Once because Michelle Yo just deserves all.
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  Speaker 1: The love and respect.
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  Speaker 2: Go watch it, Go watch it, And yeah, I think
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that's everything for today. But you know what, Nah, Actually
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to add another podcast recommendation in there as well.
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  Speaker 2: If you haven't already started listening to it, I would
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: say jump into The Guilty Feminist, which is basically like
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: this cultural phenomenon really fucking fucking loved Debra fans.
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  Speaker 1: It's white. You should death listen to that as well.
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  Speaker 1: So there's two options for you extra this week. See
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  Speaker 1: how much I care.
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  Speaker 2: So so with that, I am going to bid you
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  Speaker 2: farewell and I'll chat to you next Time, Adios or
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  Speaker 2: Revoir of is My Friends Abae by