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Flashback to the adrenaline of MotoGP 2003—catch the full breakdown in S5 Ep 44 · B 4EVA Kool "Race A Motorcycle" Podcast

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  You're listening to me Forever Cool podcast.
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  My name is Rex 45 and we are continuing in this Series A trip
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  down memory lane as we discussed the 2003 Moto GP season here on
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  the Be Forever Cool podcast. Last episode was really
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  interesting and a lot of fun to to listen to, so make sure you
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  check it out. As I continue to do this, let's
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  bring in our first guess. But more than a guess, TJ.
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  Man, what's going on? Welcome to the show.
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  How you doing Rexy Chilling? I, you know, you know, I'm, I'm,
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  I'm waking up, man. I, I think I should have.
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  I turned on my cappuccino making machine and I didn't make one.
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  And I, you know, in hindsight, I probably.
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  Forgot about it. Should have made one.
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  We didn't talk too much last week about the Patriots they
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  took. AL was good, man.
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  It's cold up in the Bean was good.
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  Yeah, we got some snow on the ground pretty much most of the
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  East Coast anyway, but it's pretty cold up here.
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  And I think my, my Patriots had a bye week last week.
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  But you know, going into this week, we couldn't hold it up.
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  But it was a good game. But we're still, we're still in
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  the playoff hunt. We're still looking good.
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  Yeah, You know. It's not good because for some
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  reason my daughter is a Bills fan and you know, when, when,
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  when they were on the Patriots up 21 something, I was, I talked
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  a little bit of smack then, you know. 27.
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  After it was over, you know, she's like, you know, I told you
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  so kind of thing. But it's all good, you know, I,
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  I like sports, but yeah. Go ahead.
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  I was going to say, ready to talk about this 2003 season.
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  You know, I was just thinking about going down memory lane,
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  like he was saying, I was back in high school, so it's cool to
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  see where I was at and watching this, seeing like PlayStation
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  Two and all the good stuff on it.
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  It's an advertisement, so it's pretty interesting.
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  I mean, you know I would, TJ, I wasn't going to look at it like
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  that, but now you got me thinking.
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  Around, I mean, I have to look at it that way, you know,
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  because some history. Man, listen, Lewis, man, I don't
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  know what this guy is talking about.
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  High school? What's good?
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  Lewis? Man, how?
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  Man, I was working full time at that time.
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  I was already out of college. You had grown folks problems.
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  I am man, I was working about mortgages and reverse mortgage.
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  You know, all that fun stuff, man.
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  I'm excited to talk about the 2002 season season as well
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  because I've learned a lot more by watching it.
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  But how things with you, man? Where you are in the world, man?
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  Right now I'm in California. I've been traveling for like the
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  last week, you know, living the living the glamorous life of
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  somebody in the motorcycle industry, sleeping in odd hotels
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  throughout the US and the world. So what what what's What's your
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  worst hotel experience, if you can say?
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  Washington, DC man. That's it.
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  I kid I I right at the top of the list.
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  So usually when I go to a city that I haven't traveled to, I
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  get a hotel for one night. Just in case the hotel's not
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  good, I'll find another hotel the second night.
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  And I got a hotel at this one place.
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  It had decent reviews, like 3 out of four stars.
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  I think they paid a lot of people to get it that high.
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  It should have been -3 1/2 stars.
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  Yeah, it was, it was a, it was a, it was a really bad hotel.
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  I actually ended up going and to another hotel and renting
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  another room at another hotel and just lost the money on that
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  hotel. Yeah.
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  Yeah, so Washington, DC, man, worst hotel that I could stay
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  at. I, I will say I I had one in
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  Jersey, but I think any hotel that that's under construction
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  is a red flag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That's usually not a good thing. Jersey is probably in the top
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  five for my worst hotels. There's one particular hotel
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  anybody that's ever been to New Jersey Motorsports Park.
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  We're probably talking about the same one.
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  It's it's the lack of quality Inn and right next to it is the
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  roadway Inn. Either one of those two is a
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  great place to get bed bugs and possibly involved be involved in
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  a failed drug transaction that ends up in a shootout.
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  Come on man, get in a motorcycle industry people, you're going to
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  love it. Nothing but glamour.
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  Speaking about glamour, you know, the 2003 season, man, it,
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  it, it's the second year for the 1000 CC Rossi has won his second
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  championship in a row and, and they starting this thing off.
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  And the cool thing is if you, if you are watching it, you know,
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  the commentated commentators are back for 2003 and, and that's a
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  good thing. But, you know, watching it and I
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  I want to talk about the first round and the second round
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  because I watched the first round and, you know, and I'm and
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  I'm listening to the race and, and, you know, the one of the
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  commentators like, you know, so and so is getting Med lifted to
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  the hospital and they go on with the race, right.
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  And I'm just like, OK. And then the next race, you
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  know, set, set to set to juvenile wins the race and and
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  they like they win it for his former teammate, who passed away
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  five days ago. I'm like, the dude didn't
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  survive, you know, it's like, you know, back then it's a lot
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  different than when we we see accidents now on Moto GP and how
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  they deliver the message. I mean, obviously social media
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  is different a lot faster today than that.
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  But I don't know if you notice, you got, if you guys noticed
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  that just you know how that was delivered.
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  Also, just the craziness of the the Japanese Grand Prix and, you
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  know, riders that teammates that come and, and, you know, do the
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  right thing for somebody who's fallen and, and, and winning a
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  race because he hasn't he didn't win a lot of races after that.
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  We'll start with you, TJ. Yeah, man, what was that first
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  race? Was that Suzuka, I believe?
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  What was that? But that, yeah, that was just a
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  crazy, crazy race, man. I mean, there's a lot of
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  accidents. And yeah, like you said, the
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  race kept going and just thought I was talking about our the the
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  last season until 2022, I think the last race in Valencia, like
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  someone got into an accident and everyone's just riding by them.
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  Stuff like, you know, seemed like the same thing continued
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  the following year about safety. But yeah, that's just this is
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  not good at all. But it's just the way that they
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  celebrated afterwards is pretty neat.
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  You know, just to keep the, you know, the the spirits high and
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  stuff like that. But but man, yeah, it's this for
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  the just the way the season started.
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  It's just it's these guys really risk a lot.
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  And I mean, I don't know about like how the runoff and stuff
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  was. But yeah, as far as like just
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  the power ratio with the bike and everything it is, they did
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  risk a lot. There's a lot of trial and
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  error. I say a lot of accidents,
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  especially was in the back of the pack.
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  Right. Yeah, No, I I agree.
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  What are your thoughts, Louis, on that?
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  I mean, you know, TJ was in high school.
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  I know you were watching it or might have been there.
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  So. Hey guys, why I was taking my
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  arthritis medication as I was watching it.
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  Well, and the and the last show we talked about why eventually
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  Suzuka was removed from the GP calendar because it is a meat
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  grinder of a track. I mean it never had the
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  appropriate amount of runoff. It didn't have the greatest
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  layout. You know, we used to joke back
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  in the days that whenever we saw a race at Suzuka, it was like we
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  they were, they looked like they were racing in the hallways of a
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  high school because it was just all walls everywhere.
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  You know it even to this day, it's still considered one of the
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  most dangerous tracks that you can race on.
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  And obviously, you know, as crazy and as as exciting that
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  kind of makes the sport, it's also like you got to remember
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  these guys are risking a lot already.
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  And the FIM and Dorna and all the protection.
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  They have to really take these things into account when they
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  certify a track to be a Moto GP track or for motorcycle racing
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  in general. Because you have to understand
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  the speeds and the dynamics and when you crash where you might
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  end up, where you're most likely to end up.
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  And there's always the chance that you're going to end up
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  somewhere where nobody would ever think you're going to end
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  up, but you could end up there. So you have to always think
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  about these things. But yeah, it's it's it was very
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  casual the way that they kind of just mentioned he won the race
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  because, you know, on behalf of his former partner, former he
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  not racing anymore. Oh, no, he did.
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  Damn. Like, like there was no A
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  tribute before the broadcast. There was no not there was no he
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  did. All right.
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  Next week, we'll see you again. Well, I mean, the race didn't
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  stop, right? And I don't know and we don't
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  know if, and I was thinking about this, I'm like, did he die
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  at the track and they just said they Med lift him or did they
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  Med lift him and he died at the hospital, right?
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  Because you don't. The race didn't stop.
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  I mean, the way that it kind of looked, they should have just
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  made a hole in that corner and just dropped his body in there
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  because that's how they treated it.
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  Like you know, nothing to see here, nothing to see here.
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  Yeah, and everyone jump around, but it was like 1 race I watched
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  and I think it was Marco Melandry that crashed.
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  I, I, he might have been in Bruno and he crashed in one
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  corner, but the bike slid across into the other, into the other
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  corner. And he's like standing next to
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  the bike while people are passing him.
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  He's like not even trying to get out the way.
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  Breaking the number one rule of track day.
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  Get out of the impact zone. This is like, yeah, I.
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  Saw that at Donington Park too. Really good, the same thing it.
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  Might have it, might have it. Might have been.
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  Donald yeah, it might have been Donaldson Park that he did it.
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  It was it was it was one of those one of these tracks with
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  the chicane fell into the other turn.
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  So but but pretty wild. I mean, what do you what do you
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  guys thought on on the Cavalier Ness off the riders right.
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  Start with you, TJ. He said, What do I think about
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  the the what? The how?
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  How, how the riders and how you know how cavalier they were, How
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  you know, fearless or not conscious that you know they can
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  be taken out by another bike. Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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  Like. Conscious because they just they
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  just assumed that other riders are just going to dodge them I
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  guess. I don't know.
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  It was more of like a. It's just like a, I don't know,
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  like it's, it's just how Lewis was saying it's like, oh, you
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  didn't see nothing. You didn't see nothing.
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  So they had, their mindset was just like, they know what it
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  could be. It was like, like you said, the
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  meat grinder, you know, it's like, you know, they, you know,
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  you're in a level of, of a group of riders.
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  So like, if you want to compete with them, you got to roll with
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  it, you know, So at that time there it was just if you wanted
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  to be a friend, you got to risk a lot and a lot happened.
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  But yeah, this, the fact that you want to throw your leg over
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  2 whales, I mean, I mean, I see this, it's so addictive.
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  You know, it's like, you know, who are, who doesn't want to go
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  race until I mean, I understand they, they reverse a lot.
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  And I, I, I gave it to them because they can now give us a
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  lot more information to this day of what to say, you know?
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  Yeah, no, it's pretty wild to see what your thoughts, Lewis.
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  It was just a different era, you know, like it's just, if you
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  really think about it, we're just coming out of the 90s and
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  it's just a different era, different way of looking things.
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  There still is no social media. Nobody had smartphones.
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  It was just a completely different mindset than today.
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  You know, today something happens, it goes viral,
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  everybody gets to see it. It gets reposted, everybody gets
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  to post their comments. Back then, you only got your
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  information. Especially for Moto GP in the
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  US, you only got it during the broadcast.
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  It wasn't like ESPN was talking about it afterwards or ESPN was
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  talking about it beforehand. They weren't on Around the horn.
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  You know, it wasn't on any of these shows that were on ESPN.
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  It was just like, if you're lucky, maybe ESPN did a 30
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  second thing where it's like, oh, today at the Suzuka race,
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  Ryder Deja Rocato was involved in an accident and a 14 passed
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  away from his incident. You know, they I don't even
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  think back then we even said thoughts and prayers.
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  It was like, you know, he's out, That's it, move on to next
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  story. The Yankees beat the Boston Red
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  Sox, you know, 7:00 to 2:00 today.
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  And like that was kind of it's glazed over today because it's a
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  more global sport, it's bigger and more than anything just the
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  interconnectivity that fans have through social media and
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  different platforms. Something like that would not go
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  by. I would say that was the first
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  time a death became a really big event in modern Moto GP was the
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  loss of Simocelli. Simocelli happened in the day
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  and age of, of social media and of easier ability to, to share
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  content and share information with other fans or people of
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  like minded ideas. But before that, I mean, you
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  know, like I said in the last race, I mean, it was a meat
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  grinder. If you could get through a
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  season without losing a couple of rounds with, you know,
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  without a broken hand or broken collarbone, dislocated this
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  separated shoulder, you were already on your path to ending
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  up in the top ten in the championship just because you
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  aren't going to miss any rounds. Right, right, right.
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  I will say it sounds like 2003 was the first year that the
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  riders got together or some of the riders got together to kind
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  of deal with doing A, to have some kind of rules in place.
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  As far as even, you know, you know, listening to the
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  commentators, they say, you know, Rossi was deemed the guy
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  to say, when we stop races, if, when it starts to rain too much
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  kind of thing. And you know, the first, the
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  rider in the 1st place gets to say, Hey, it's unsafe to, to, to
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  continue and stuff like that. So, you know, to where is today?
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  Those those are the beginning stages where it's just kind of,
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  you know, you know, I wanna say kicking, kicking rocks, but just
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  kicking around ideas and saying, Hey, we got to do something
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  about this to make it a little bit safer.
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  Well, it's, it's getting there now, even with the rain races.
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  Now, if enough riders put their hand up during a race, then the
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  FIM will take account and Dorner will stop the race.
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  The Moto GP will stop the race if enough riders raise their
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  hand and like, you know, hey, it's too dangerous.
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  It's too in the event that Dorner themselves doesn't red
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  flag the race, the racers have the ability to vote by just
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  raising their hands and saying, you know, it's getting too
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  dangerous out here. Back then, if you if the race
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  started, you finished it. Rain, shine, you know, frogs
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  falling from heaven, locust infestation, doesn't matter.
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  Either you all end up in the hospital or you finish the race.
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  But we're we're going to broadcast this thing until the
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  checkered flag comes down. That's the way it felt like.
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  Right, right. Oh, no doubt, no doubt.
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  So I let's, you know, as we dive further into it, I have to point
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  out that they were not a lot of Spaniards in Moto GP in 2003.
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  Two to be exact. We had I believe 3 Italians.
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  We had eight Japanese and four Americans.
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  Two Americans are both rookie Nikki Hayden and Colin Edwards.
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  Nikki Hayden won AMA championship the previous year
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  and Colin Edwards won the Super Bike Championship the previous
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  year. Coming into, you know, Moto GPI
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  mean, you know, will we see anything like that?
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  We do have one Japanese still in Moto GPI.
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  Don't know if we'll see 3 or 4 again.
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  I mean, there's no Americans in Moto GP right now.
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  We see a lot of Italians. And thanks to Rossi, if if he
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  didn't, if his crew wasn't there, it'll be like all
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  Spaniards. You think the Spaniards were
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  upset in 2003, TJ? I mean, yeah, I think so.
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  They was, you see now they're just trying to find, they got
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  all these programs for these young kids now.
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  Yeah, they made they made sure they would make a difference.
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  But I don't think we'll see that many Japanese riders in the
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  competition is just too close now.
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  So these, they got to be on a different level.
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  Like, like we're we're saying that Ryder's been getting lapped
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  back then. So like, you know, it was just
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  this competition's too close. I don't think we'll see.
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  Not to say that they're slow, but, you know, it's just the
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  competition's too close. It's kind of like you got to
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  make the team now, yeah. Yeah, no, I, I, I, I got to say
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  yeah, Competition, the tech, I mean, it's, it's different,
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  Lewis. I mean, I, you know, he's seen
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  highlights on on Rossi and you know, the I don't want to say
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  the highlights are spun in his favor because he he put in the
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  work, but set the juvenile. Yeah, give more.
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  I, I have a lot more respect for him now watching this again.
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  I mean, I know I watched it a long time ago, but I just it was
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  glossed over it back then. And because he was a lone man
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  fighting for for everything for a while.
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  I mean, you know, Checker was there, but it was really, you
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  know, him and and you know, he took a lot of, you know, it's
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  almost like Alan Iverson standing over Tyloo, you know
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  what I'm saying? After the after the shot, you
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  know what I mean? It's like he he took a lot of
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  heat for not being able to dethrone Rossi.
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  Yeah, he took a lot of heat, but Rossi was pretty much on the
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  podium every single round, you know, and said they driven out.
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  You know, he was kind of, he was in the top 4 for most of the
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  rounds. He had a Cup.
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  He had one retirement. He had one race where he didn't
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  even finish in the top five. So he was the closest one.
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  But at the end of the day, he also lost by 80 points.
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  So that's, you know, almost four race wins, different points.
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  You know, Rossi finished first, second or third in in every
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  single round and even when he fell back as far as seventh or
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  something like that, in that day and age, you can make up a eight
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  second difference with pure talent and just out riding
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  people. It's not like today when you
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  fall back, you know, 5 seconds, that's it, you're done.
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  There's no way you're going to catch up to the guys in the
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  front because you're you're fighting for tents.
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  I mean, Mark Marquez did it earlier this year a couple of
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  times and seeing and, and you know, obviously Rossi did it
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  first, but watching Rossi do it, it's just like, oh wow, who, who
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  else did I see do that? And in current time, right.
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  And it's just like, not a lot of people, but one dude stood out.
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  Cream, the cream always rises to the top in every generation.
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  You know like the the guys that have the ability to win will
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  always rise to the top. But when you've seen like
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  Marquez run off the track, he might finish in 3rd or 4th, but
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  to go all the way back to win, to go back to win in this day
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  and age after running off track, like a significant run off
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  track, not just running wide, but running off track, it's
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  really, really hard. Again, we talked about it the
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  the aero devices 'cause it it make it very difficult to pass
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  because they they cause buffering.
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  When you're behind people like you have to do these dives,
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  these lunges. You have to have a little bit
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  extra and even with that little bit extra, you can only ride 3/4
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  of a second or a second faster lap than everybody else for so
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  many laps before your tires disintegrate and now you suffer
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  some other stuff. So it's almost like back then
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  guys would ride the, the, the like they would say they would,
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  they would ride the the tires to their, to their threads and be
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  able to win. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, You know, it was, it was nice to see them slide side
• 20:47
  with, you know, lighten up that rear tire, but. 2003 was a great
• 20:52
  year for Sethi Jibenow and 2004 started as a great year.
• 20:57
  Maybe we'll discuss 2004, but 2004 was the year where the
• 21:01
  Rossi curse on SETI Jibenow came in and never never won another
• 21:06
  race again. Never did any significant riding
• 21:09
  impact for riding. Like you know Rossi pretty much
• 21:12
  made it his lifes mission to make sure.
• 21:14
  That said, they given now never sees a podium again.
• 21:16
  Right, well, I would say it's not just, you know, Sette, it's
• 21:20
  also Max Biage. I mean, I could see why the man
• 21:25
  don't smile when he's at, in the paddock to this day.
• 21:30
  This was like because he's he, he, he's the, you know, the
• 21:33
  divisioso of our time or my time as far as watching the sport or
• 21:37
  when I got into it where, you know, you, you, you're second to
• 21:40
  Marquez, second to Marquez. You know, Max was second to, to
• 21:45
  Rossi in the 500CC the first year, I believe the second year
• 21:48
  as well, when, when he won the, the, the, the second title.
• 21:53
  And, you know, and these guys, I mean, they're giving it all they
• 21:57
  got. Yep.
• 21:59
  You know, they're not leaving anything on the table.
• 22:01
  So it's pretty impressive. TJ, what are your thoughts on,
• 22:04
  you know, the rounds and, and seeing, you know, Biagio
• 22:08
  Caparossi, we talk about Hayden because Hayden was pretty
• 22:11
  impressive what he did as a rookie, you know, coming in as a
• 22:15
  rookie and, and being signed to the factory Honda as a rookie
• 22:19
  that, you know, Marquez has done that, Pedrosa has done that.
• 22:23
  You know, Acosta didn't do that, Aldiguez didn't do that.
• 22:28
  All these young ride and all these young riders have done
• 22:30
  that since Marquez. I mean, yeah, it's pretty
• 22:35
  impressive to like, you know, see Rossi like, you know, put up
• 22:40
  the fight and how, you know, it wasn't so easy, even though it
• 22:45
  was kind of like a little easy for him and just see just the
• 22:48
  the riders that gave him a challenge.
• 22:51
  So like to see Biaggi up there and give him challenges and
• 22:57
  capacity, you know, I'm saying his name right.
• 23:02
  And, and set a, you know, it was just really cool to see like how
• 23:06
  hard they were trying just to, you know, get that championship.
• 23:09
  And yeah, it's just crazy to see, like how, you know, Lewis
• 23:17
  was saying you got to have the talent and you can make up a lot
• 23:21
  of time. And just watching Rossi, like we
• 23:24
  was talking about how you went through gravel and just just
• 23:28
  weave his way through the pack. You know, it wasn't always
• 23:30
  pieces of cream every start for him.
• 23:33
  Sometimes he was down in the the middle of the pack, which is
• 23:36
  probably the worst place to be. And he found his way out.
• 23:40
  And then he played very smart game and kind of let them wear
• 23:46
  themselves out, you know, so I guess make this seem like they
• 23:50
  they had the chance to win and, you know, play the smart game
• 23:53
  and let them make a mistake. And he always found his way
• 23:56
  through. But just, yeah, just watching
• 23:59
  those guys was pretty cool. And especially Mickey Hayden, I
• 24:02
  guess he's always top ten. They didn't really show much on
• 24:06
  him but I always heard his name so it's pretty.
• 24:10
  Yeah, no, no doubt. And he, he towards the end of
• 24:13
  the season, he did finish. I was strong, Lewis, man.
• 24:16
  What are your thoughts on, you know, Rossi, Hayden, what he was
• 24:21
  able to do coming in as a rookie, being Rossi's teammate
• 24:26
  and the way he handled it because he got faster as the
• 24:28
  season went on. He didn't he didn't, you know,
• 24:32
  implode. Like we see some of these young
• 24:34
  writers coming in, like, you know, some may say happened to
• 24:38
  back Nya because Marquez came on, You know, what's your
• 24:42
  insights on on what you know Nikki Hagan was able to do And
• 24:46
  and again, just, you know, the overall season.
• 24:49
  Well, first, I think he came into the correct manufacturer
• 24:52
  because this is when, you know, hot, this is at the time when
• 24:55
  Honda was super dominant. I mean, Honda was super dominant
• 24:58
  for a very long time. And even in this day, in this
• 25:01
  2003 year, they were still the dominant team.
• 25:04
  They were still the dominant motorcycle.
• 25:06
  If you look at the top, the people in the top five for the
• 25:09
  top five were Hondas. The only outlier in the top five
• 25:13
  that was completely unforeseen was Lauris Caparasi under
• 25:17
  Ducati. Yeah, we'll talk about that.
• 25:20
  We'll talk about it later. Yeah, but Honda was was the
• 25:24
  dominant bike. Nikki Hayden was a Honda rider.
• 25:28
  You know, we spoke about it earlier, you know, from here in
• 25:30
  the in. Back then it was AMA Rd.
• 25:35
  Racing. Yeah, You know, he was a Honda
• 25:37
  rider when he was on a 600. He was a Honda rider when he's
• 25:40
  on 1000. Like, he won a championship on
• 25:44
  Honda. And this is also the day and age
• 25:46
  when a champion in the US could get rewarded by being elevated
• 25:52
  to Moto GP. Like there was a pathway kind of
• 25:55
  set between the US World Super Bike and Moto GP so US riders
• 26:00
  could find their way either to World Super Bike or Moto GP.
• 26:03
  Colin Edwards for instance, went from the US to World Super Bike,
• 26:06
  World Super bike to Moto GP. Nikki Hayden got lucky enough
• 26:10
  where he kind of skipped the World Super Bike step and went
• 26:12
  right to Moto GP. And again, it was because of the
• 26:15
  mix of them going to a four stroke type engine, which is
• 26:19
  more conventional engine, similar to what Nikki Hayden was
• 26:22
  used to riding. And the tire technology and the
• 26:26
  over motorcycle technology was a little bit more aligned to a
• 26:29
  super bike. So you could make that jump and
• 26:32
  not have to get used to hitting seventeen different buttons
• 26:35
  every lap. And, you know, all these weird
• 26:38
  things that happen now in Moto GP, which make the bikes a
• 26:40
  little bit more unique to ride. But he took great advantage of
• 26:44
  it. You know, he was in the top
• 26:46
  five. He had a couple of retirements.
• 26:48
  He didn't start too great. And you know, he had a couple of
• 26:51
  good races to start. But then as the season went on,
• 26:54
  I think especially being Rossi's teammate one, Rossi didn't see
• 26:58
  him as a threat. So Rossi probably helped him
• 27:00
  more than he would have helped somebody else because if you're
• 27:03
  not a direct threat to him, he doesn't mind helping you.
• 27:05
  As soon as you become a direct threat, that friendly level
• 27:10
  turns off because now we're in competition for money.
• 27:12
  We're in competition for different things.
• 27:15
  So I think he helped Nikki Haden get through that first year.
• 27:17
  You know, he had a lot of support from Honda itself.
• 27:21
  And it was great to see an American rider kind of like, oh
• 27:25
  man, we might see an American rider winning, a new American
• 27:28
  rider, not a Roberts or not somebody else, but like a new
• 27:30
  American name at the top of the pile.
• 27:33
  And, and it sucks. Like, I wish we still had that,
• 27:39
  that elevation that that sterilates a Moto GP in the USI
• 27:43
  wish there was some more US flags on the Moto GP calendar
• 27:48
  next to the racers names. I mean, you know, you said it
• 27:51
  earlier, I mean, it feels like 60% of the paddock at this time
• 27:55
  was Japanese. And for Spaniards there was only
• 27:59
  two full time riders. There was Spaniard, there was
• 28:01
  one part time rider that was Spaniard.
• 28:04
  So at this point, you know, Spain wasn't a big factor here.
• 28:09
  You, you had a ton of Japanese and you had, you know, a good
• 28:14
  mix of Italians. But now it's, you know, Spanish
• 28:17
  and Italian, 1 French guy, 1-2 Australian, One South African
• 28:24
  guy. Like it's not as big a mix as it
• 28:26
  used to be. And it's one of the things I
• 28:28
  think that Moto GP needs to address because it's a global
• 28:34
  sport and in any global sport you want to see at someone from
• 28:38
  your region of the world that you can support.
• 28:40
  You know, I, I, I like a lot of guys, but it doesn't mean I want
• 28:43
  to support only guys from Spain. I'd love to support an American
• 28:47
  rider. I don't think we'll ever see a
• 28:49
  Canadian rider unless he moves to Spain and becomes a Spanish
• 28:53
  rider. Hey, listen, you know, you know,
• 28:57
  as, as I found out, John Hopkins, you know, he's, he's,
• 29:01
  he's British because you can't rescind your citizenship even
• 29:05
  though he was born in the US. What is he?
• 29:07
  What was he again? What did they call him?
• 29:09
  The. Anglo-Saxon.
• 29:11
  Anglo. English.
• 29:13
  Anglo English no filter back in 2004.
• 29:17
  Man in 2000. 13 not, not one bit at all.
• 29:21
  I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was a different time.
• 29:25
  And you know, it, it, it was interesting because, you know,
• 29:29
  and we'll talk more about Ducati after this, but it's interesting
• 29:32
  here saying Honda 123 again. Honda 1/2.
• 29:36
  Three, again, it was like Honda was just giving, giving
• 29:40
  everybody the business And, you know, to the, you know, you
• 29:42
  know, we, we, we saw that, you know, Biaggi and some of these
• 29:47
  other writers are saying, you know, Rossi had the best Honda.
• 29:50
  I mean, you know, it's similar to what we're saying now about,
• 29:53
  you know, the difference between these Ducatis and stuff like
• 29:56
  that. Although we're not saying about
• 29:57
  KTM and Yamahas or what you know, it's the writers that feel
• 30:01
  that they should be #1 and they're not that are saying, you
• 30:05
  know, somebody else must, it must have a little bit more due
• 30:08
  to a sauce than than they do. Well, this is also the time that
• 30:12
  the the the rumor started swirling around about the fact
• 30:15
  that Rossi was getting those exact tires from the tire
• 30:18
  manufacturer. Yeah.
• 30:20
  So, you know, and there, you know, it has been found that
• 30:23
  there's some legitimacy to that because they did admit that they
• 30:27
  would give Rossi tires as part of the development deal with
• 30:30
  Honda to make the tires work better with Honda.
• 30:34
  But he would get them before anybody else.
• 30:37
  So he would have a little extra sauce in the tires that nobody
• 30:40
  else had because he was developing the tires.
• 30:44
  As he should. And it just happened to work out
• 30:47
  that the development tires were just slightly a little bit
• 30:49
  better than the non development tires.
• 30:52
  A little bit, but let's talk about Ducati, right?
• 30:55
  Because Ducati, it's their first year in Moto GP.
• 31:00
  They've been in World Super Bike and you know, for a brand coming
• 31:05
  into Moto GP, I don't think a new manufacturer is coming into
• 31:11
  Moto GP and had a better first season than they've had.
• 31:14
  What are your thoughts on Ducati?
• 31:15
  Only two bikes, A guy from World Super bike that's won some
• 31:19
  titles and Carlos not not check is it check Checker was on the
• 31:25
  he was yeah, he was on the other Ducati.
• 31:27
  What are your thoughts TJ on on how Ducati did the first year,
• 31:31
  getting a bike on the podium and all that fun stuff?
• 31:35
  Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool to like just jump into from
• 31:40
  world super bike into Moto GP and and be front running.
• 31:43
  I mean to have two bikes is is good enough.
• 31:47
  I mean, still see them now, but. It was Caparossi that was on the
• 31:52
  that was on the Ducati, not Checa.
• 31:55
  Caparossi and and biaggi is it. No caparossi and and bayless.
• 32:01
  Bayless, sorry, but yeah, just to see, it was cool to see that
• 32:07
  just for them to be upfront a good portion of the season, I
• 32:12
  mean. Yeah, Kapparazi finished fourth
• 32:16
  overall. Yeah, Yeah.
• 32:18
  That's very good. I mean, I could just see now
• 32:21
  like just having that expectation and, and where
• 32:24
  Ducati is now. I mean, I mean, just to be
• 32:27
  upfront, it's you see they have all the technology right now
• 32:31
  pretty much. They weren't, they weren't fast
• 32:32
  in the rain, though, you know. And the commentators let you
• 32:35
  know. Let them.
• 32:36
  Let us. Know, yeah.
• 32:41
  Water in the rain. Go ahead, DJ.
• 32:44
  That now I was to say that rain back in the day, just definitely
• 32:47
  a different breed, especially on the bikes that they were on.
• 32:51
  But yeah, watching that flag, the flag, well, can't even call
• 32:54
  it a flag, the flag race. But a couple of rain races where
• 32:57
  it was dry in the beginning and then they had the pit to change.
• 33:01
  I know that was just just how raw she was in the lead.
• 33:05
  And that's that's just sucks because he ended up winning.
• 33:08
  No, I don't think he won that race.
• 33:09
  But yeah, it's just it's just still the rain demons.
• 33:15
  Like you got to find out like who's the good rain riders and
• 33:18
  stuff like that. So back then it's a little
• 33:20
  different. Oh yeah, no, for sure.
• 33:22
  Well, your thoughts, Lewis on Ducati and and you know, first
• 33:26
  year in the championship and being able to finish 4th overall
• 33:29
  overall, but you know, in the championship.
• 33:32
  It's not surprising because if you look at what the bike they
• 33:36
  use as the prototype baseline bike that they made the Moto GP
• 33:43
  bike from, if you look at World Super Bike and you look at the
• 33:47
  list of achievements that they did in World Super Bike, you
• 33:49
  know, 9490590698 2099, 2001, 2003, you know, they had been
• 33:57
  winning in World Super Bike year after year for many years and
• 34:00
  been super competitive. So really what they did is they
• 34:03
  took the base of a bike that they already had and just kind
• 34:07
  of adapted it to this new model, the Desmos Adisi to to race it,
• 34:14
  you know, and I don't think they deviated too far from what they
• 34:18
  had originally to what they brought to Moto GP.
• 34:23
  So they were they did have some instant success because if you
• 34:26
  look at the other companies that they were fighting against at
• 34:29
  the time, you know, Suzuki hadn't had a world super bike
• 34:32
  championship in a long, long time or a Moto GP championship.
• 34:36
  Kawasaki, same thing. And at that time, you know, it's
• 34:40
  a Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha.
• 34:43
  And for for that particular year, a lot of people will tell
• 34:46
  you this is when Yamaha started going through some serious
• 34:50
  struggles. They didn't have the competitive
• 34:53
  bike anymore when they adopted, you know, when they moved to the
• 34:57
  four stroke engine, they kind of fell off very deeply.
• 35:00
  And This is why eventually, you know, later on and later on
• 35:03
  season, Valentino Rossi leaves Honda, goes to Yamaha and all of
• 35:06
  a sudden redevelops that bike, makes it a championship bike,
• 35:09
  and it becomes a Honda Yamaha competition years where
• 35:12
  everybody else is racing for whatever Honda and Yamaha don't
• 35:15
  achieve. Right and Max Biaggi left Yamaha
• 35:19
  to go to Honda in in for 2003 because he got tired of coming
• 35:23
  in second place on that Yamaha. Well, and then, well, the same
• 35:27
  thing kind of happens is is Rossi leaves Honda to go to
• 35:31
  Yamaha to prove that not only can he make a better bike, he
• 35:35
  can win on two different manufacturers.
• 35:37
  But you know, again, another slap in the face of Biaggi.
• 35:41
  I'm better than you because I was able to take this shit box
• 35:45
  and make it a championship bike. You have my championship bike
• 35:48
  and I'm still beating your ass on the shit box you couldn't win
• 35:51
  on. So you know it's not written
• 35:54
  that way, but come on, you know the back of Rossi's head.
• 35:58
  I'm like, this is exactly how it's written in the back of his
• 36:01
  head, you know, and. Between.
• 36:04
  The Piaggio and Sede Jibenow like trust me, Rossi has has
• 36:08
  gone out of his way to make sure that he writes his history of
• 36:11
  like, shitting on his competition as much as possible.
• 36:15
  Just with your talent. Right.
• 36:17
  And, and, and, you know, you know, you say you, you Louis,
• 36:20
  you said that, you know. Rossi smiled in public and was
• 36:24
  serious behind closed doors. But he really did smile.
• 36:28
  He really, when you saw him out, he, he was like, he was always
• 36:32
  having fun, you know, and maybe he knew he was the, the most
• 36:35
  prepared or just the most talented guy out there.
• 36:38
  But he, you know, the, the chain and ball celebration and, and
• 36:43
  all this stuff that he was doing, you know.
• 36:46
  When you're winning, you're smiling.
• 36:49
  And he was winning a lot. You know, if, if he wasn't
• 36:52
  winning, trust me, he wouldn't be smiling.
• 36:54
  But when you're winning and you're dominating and you're
• 36:56
  doing anything you want and you're putting the bike
• 36:58
  everywhere you want on the track, you're not having any
• 37:00
  problems. You're finishing any every race.
• 37:03
  You're not having DNS or retirements, You're going to
• 37:07
  smile and you're going to find ways to enjoy it.
• 37:09
  You're and and one of the best things he is, which not a lot of
• 37:13
  races are, he's a great marketer.
• 37:17
  If he had, if he had brought that same talent in the age of
• 37:21
  social media, how much bigger would he be?
• 37:24
  I mean, he's massive now in an age that he didn't have social
• 37:27
  media. Like, how much bigger would he
• 37:29
  be if today he was only 21 years old and he was racing today?
• 37:34
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:35
  You know, so this is this is something you have to consider
• 37:38
  is Rossi became Rossi in a time when the only way you can learn
• 37:42
  about him is somebody actually called you or saw you face to
• 37:45
  face and started talking to you about Rossi.
• 37:49
  Did you see that race? Rossi did not tweeted about it,
• 37:52
  not posted it on Instagram. Like I actually had to talk to
• 37:54
  you like a human being and millions of human beings talk to
• 37:59
  each other to the point where he became this icon.
• 38:02
  Yeah, yeah. And you know, one of the as I,
• 38:05
  you know, listening while watching the races, they were
• 38:08
  talking about, you know, why Rossi didn't take the number one
• 38:11
  plate. And Rossi's favorite ride is
• 38:14
  Barry Sheen. And Barry Sheen didn't do it.
• 38:16
  And so Rossi didn't do it, which is which is pretty impressive.
• 38:21
  And, and, and, you know, interesting how he moved, right,
• 38:24
  because he wasn't as arrogant as, you know, you know, he could
• 38:29
  have been. Yep, he he probably was.
• 38:32
  He just wasn't in front of the camera because in front of the
• 38:36
  cameras where you win the fans and if you make the wrong moves
• 38:39
  in front of the fans, you know that cost you popularity, that
• 38:43
  cost you money, that cost you, that cost you in ways that you
• 38:48
  can't buy. You know that publicity you
• 38:50
  can't buy. But when you do fun things like
• 38:52
  the ball and chain, when you do fun things like all these other
• 38:55
  things, now you're buying cachet that you can't buy any other
• 38:59
  way, no matter how much money. I mean that board and chain
• 39:02
  thing probably cost, you know, 200 bucks.
• 39:05
  Right. Right, right.
• 39:07
  To to come up with that or they're stopping to go to the
• 39:10
  Porta Potti. You know, that costs nothing.
• 39:13
  Just the idea and the concept that if I do this, fans are
• 39:16
  going to get get kicked out of it.
• 39:18
  It's going to get put on, you know, it's going to become a
• 39:20
  little bit of iconic. And then even his helmets, you
• 39:24
  know, coming up with the different designs for different
• 39:26
  tracks for different events, like this is all stuff that he
• 39:29
  kind of really pioneered. Right.
• 39:32
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was going to stay.
• 39:34
  Also talking about no social media and the fans just watching
• 39:41
  these races back in the day like it was.
• 39:45
  You can just see like that you had to be there and wanted to be
• 39:49
  there. Post it like that where you can
• 39:51
  just watch it on TV like it's something where you if you
• 39:54
  missed it, you missed it. But the state of the fans they
• 39:58
  were, it was packed like, but still to this day is packed or
• 40:02
  like back then I could just see like, you know, Marcy brought a
• 40:06
  lot of fans. It was great for the sport, but
• 40:08
  it definitely was packed, dude, something you had to see.
• 40:12
  Yeah, and you know, I was going to.
• 40:15
  I'm glad you brought it up because I was going to bring up
• 40:17
  about the crowd, the fact that they they had to cancel a couple
• 40:21
  of the trophies celebration because they were rushing the
• 40:27
  field on the cooldown lap and it was just kind of like it was
• 40:32
  just like, oh man, they do this at all the tracks.
• 40:37
  Crazy. It was definitely that soccer
• 40:39
  mentality, like that European soccer mentality was very, very
• 40:44
  big at the time. You know, now tracks have kind
• 40:46
  of wrangled that in a little bit.
• 40:48
  I mean, after the race is over, they do let people kind of come
• 40:51
  on to the front straight if they're having a podium
• 40:52
  celebration. But back then it's not like the
• 40:55
  track had a choice, man. Like there's 200,000 of us and
• 40:59
  you got like 8 security guards. Who you holding back man?
• 41:04
  And, and, and these riders, I mean, they weren't like going
• 41:07
  through slow either. What's going on, Reese?
• 41:13
  Man, welcome to the show. How you doing, man?
• 41:15
  You know, you, you came on to the show and I and I and I got a
• 41:18
  chill blowing in the back of my head.
• 41:21
  You got that look like a cold wherever you are.
• 41:23
  It's -7 man where I'm at so you can have this crap.
• 41:28
  I don't want it. Trust me, my fingers hurt.
• 41:34
  That's, that's, that's definitely, you know, once my,
• 41:38
  when I was building out my, my, my, my trailer, cargo trailer, I
• 41:43
  had my daughter helping me out, typing out.
• 41:46
  I was wiring and she was on a little labeler.
• 41:49
  She was typing out all the different wiring for lights and
• 41:51
  all the stuff and then she hands me one and I look at it and says
• 41:55
  I quit. So you know, you might have to
• 42:01
  send a little note in on an ice cube or something.
• 42:05
  Man, for real, it's cold. Man, I've had a day.
• 42:09
  I hear that, I hear that. Hopefully it won't be for too
• 42:12
  long. Yeah, man, we talking about
• 42:13
  2003, You know, what are you, what are your thoughts on the
• 42:18
  2003 season? You know, overall all the
• 42:22
  craziness, all the, all the, all the different crazy stuff that's
• 42:26
  that happened back then. But what stands out to you?
• 42:30
  I mean, honestly, what stands out to me was what Lewis said,
• 42:32
  because there was no crowd control.
• 42:35
  They just ran out on there, man. They didn't give a damn.
• 42:38
  I mean, that was like, it was more of a like a a rock star
• 42:44
  thing. Like it was just as soon as it's
• 42:46
  over, we're we're bum rushing you.
• 42:48
  That's it. And we're bum rush like they do
• 42:49
  in college. They bum rush to field, want to
• 42:51
  knock down the goal posts and it's more like that.
• 42:55
  But now like you know, you get it's 200,000 of us versus 8 of
• 43:00
  you. You know who's going to stop me?
• 43:03
  Not a, not a, not a soul. No, that was, that was, that was
• 43:06
  pretty crazy to see. You know, let's start, let you
• 43:09
  know, let me see a little bit about your thoughts on Nikki
• 43:11
  Hayden as a rookie coming in being signed to Honda.
• 43:15
  I don't know if you caught any of what Lewis said about, you
• 43:18
  know, Nikki Hayden over here in the US was on Honda for like 6
• 43:22
  years. So it was a no brainer.
• 43:24
  But, you know, for a we haven't seen a rider go from, you know,
• 43:28
  Motor America or AMA straight to Moto GP on a factory seat.
• 43:34
  No, you haven't seen that in a while.
• 43:36
  I mean, the last person that has ever kind of even remotely was
• 43:39
  close with Ben Speed. I was going to say that was he
• 43:41
  on the factory? Was he on a?
• 43:42
  Was he on a satellite the first year?
• 43:44
  The first year it was satellite, yeah, factory on world super
• 43:48
  bike and then went satellite GP. Right, right, right.
• 43:51
  But then you got to remember Josh Hayes went over there,
• 43:54
  never did the world super bike thing, went over there as a
• 43:57
  substitute rider and went top ten.
• 43:59
  I think he went 7th place that time.
• 44:01
  Moto GP. Yep, go look it up.
• 44:04
  A wild card rider. So did Garrett.
• 44:08
  Garrett was, I think top 12, something like that.
• 44:12
  So, you know, what was it with US riders then?
• 44:17
  I mean, I think we kind of, I know, I think I have an idea
• 44:19
  what you guys are going to say back then versus now because it
• 44:22
  seems like, you know, the struck was real.
• 44:25
  And, and, you know, I think we're in the USA feeling like
• 44:28
  how the Spaniards felt back in 2002, 2003, not having enough
• 44:33
  flags on the grid to where they dominated the grid for years to,
• 44:38
  you know, to a point where Rossi had to get his own team.
• 44:40
  And we see what we're doing now in the US to try to get folks
• 44:43
  back over there. But you know, what are your
• 44:45
  thoughts? I mean, we're missing.
• 44:51
  We were missing before. Like if you looked at it, we
• 44:54
  were missing a lot of that feeling like where the young
• 44:56
  kids can come up. It was almost like a stepping
• 44:58
  stone where the stage, you know, like we didn't have like like
• 45:03
  the, the European, they have like the smaller bike, the
• 45:06
  pocket bikes, you want to call it.
• 45:08
  And then they go to them, they go to the next day they it's
• 45:10
  like 125 to 250. They keep going up and even over
• 45:14
  there you can't even if you get your motorcycle endorsement, you
• 45:17
  can't even go get your motorcycle endorsement and just
• 45:20
  jump to 1000. You got to go over increments
• 45:23
  that you'd be able to get to the 1000.
• 45:26
  So I think that's what we were missing over here, especially
• 45:29
  after like with that Daytona Motorsports group screwed all
• 45:33
  AMA up and then COVID happened. It just we were missing that
• 45:37
  that stage to actually put them on and then, you know,
• 45:42
  substitute when DMG messed everything up.
• 45:44
  The Europeans didn't even take us serious.
• 45:47
  If you actually look, they weren't even taken even now with
• 45:49
  Moto America. They weren't even taken with
• 45:52
  that the Junior Cup class series that that's why they went to the
• 46:00
  bike they're on now with the the Kramer.
• 46:04
  That's almost, that's almost like a Moto, their entry level
• 46:08
  bike that's almost like they're 125 and stuff like that.
• 46:12
  It's more of a race bike design than versus like the Junior Cup
• 46:15
  class, OK. All right, all right.
• 46:20
  And before we we, we get you all live.
• 46:22
  Look at Security Live. Look at Moto GP security back in
• 46:27
  2003. That's about the security level
• 46:38
  that most of the tracks had back then, to stop people forming the
• 46:42
  track. Lasting no time.
• 46:55
  There's good and bad to come with that man.
• 46:58
  It's good to be able to experience it.
• 47:00
  From my from my understanding, I don't think anyone got hurt
• 47:03
  while while any of the Moto GP races were happening.
• 47:06
  It's not on the track anyway, but it was pretty wild, you
• 47:11
  know, for that to happen and and I guess we can see where we are,
• 47:14
  although, you know, Mojelo, do you still do get to go on the
• 47:17
  track and some of these other tracks, especially this year,
• 47:21
  they after the after the cooldown lap, they've been
• 47:23
  letting people on. So it's good to see that again
• 47:26
  and, and, and, and have that experience, you know?
• 47:32
  Yeah, Reese, you know, you know, Troy Bayless and Capparazi on a
• 47:36
  Ducati Ducati's first year, you know, Capparazi finished fourth
• 47:41
  in the championship that year on the dock.
• 47:44
  It's a pretty good year for Ducati, man.
• 47:45
  What? You trying to say I think?
• 47:50
  2003 was a good year, that's what I'm just saying.
• 47:53
  For their first year in Moto GP compared to you know, KTMI mean,
• 47:57
  I don't know if it was a previous first year and we'll
• 48:00
  talk about Edwards as well because he didn't do as well on
• 48:03
  the Aprilia and it looks like a per year struggle, but Edwards
• 48:06
  along a factory bike as well. But you know, what are your
• 48:09
  thoughts on Ducati Dobris, No? I mean, that was a good year for
• 48:13
  them. I mean, there wasn't a lot of
• 48:15
  electronics. It was pretty much all up to the
• 48:17
  rider back then, you know, it was, it was all in your wrist.
• 48:21
  So I mean, with those guys riding and they were
• 48:24
  exceptional, you know, coming into the field and Ducati just
• 48:28
  had a bike that they can actually run and ride.
• 48:31
  You know, nobody else had a bike that, you know, guys can really
• 48:34
  ride really could really tame that way or have that natural
• 48:39
  talent. So I mean, I, I think that was a
• 48:41
  good year for them. And then it just seemed like
• 48:44
  from there on it was kind of like lost.
• 48:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I can say that they definitely struggled
• 48:54
  for a bit because. There was only one person that
• 48:58
  could ride that bike. It was only one.
• 49:01
  There was only one person that can ride a Ducati.
• 49:03
  And that man of the name was Stoner.
• 49:05
  After that it was no, it was nobody.
• 49:07
  Besides that, give me a name. Divisioso.
• 49:14
  I'm talking about before Doby came in.
• 49:16
  Oh, well, I mean, you got these guys in 2003, paparazzi and
• 49:22
  Bayless lasted till 2006, so and won, won one race finally in
• 49:30
  2006. Yeah, 2006.
• 49:33
  He did come back in 2015, but he didn't he didn't win that race,
• 49:37
  which is also pretty wild in the in the in the in and of itself.
• 49:43
  Kawasaki, Kawasaki Proton. I mean, they switched from a
• 49:47
  twin to a 4 cylinder. We had the V fives in there.
• 49:50
  I engine characteristics I'm hearing about.
• 49:55
  I think Kenny Roberts lost some money on on that Proton.
• 49:58
  He probably should have went to a Yamaha, you know, we see, you
• 50:05
  know, bitmoto or bi motor in in with Cowie and World Super Bike.
• 50:10
  Will we ever see anything like this again in, in Moto GP where,
• 50:15
  you know, we'll get, you know, Renault may, may partner with
• 50:19
  somebody and bring a bike out or something like that?
• 50:25
  I don't think so. I mean, besides CF Moto, that's
• 50:28
  about it. I mean, but.
• 50:29
  They're already making bikes so. Yeah, but that's about it.
• 50:33
  I don't think anybody else is going to prototype coming out.
• 50:35
  I don't see anything coming down the pipeline not not that what I
• 50:41
  can see in the future right now, not unless bike sales starts
• 50:46
  coming back into play. That's the biggest thing.
• 50:49
  Bike sales are down real bad. There might be some motor, motor
• 50:56
  enthusiastic rich person out there.
• 50:58
  What you thought was TJ on on and you mentioned this last week
• 51:02
  on the show as well, the Proton bike and stuff like that.
• 51:06
  Would it be cool to see? It might be cool to see I guess.
• 51:10
  Yeah. I mean, yeah, you like, I mean,
• 51:15
  you got to start somewhere. So.
• 51:17
  I mean, Proton's been around, so I mean, it would be good to see
• 51:23
  some type of manufacturers try to make their way in, like I
• 51:28
  said, like CF Moto is definitely merging in in different ways, so
• 51:34
  it could be kind of like that. But yeah, it'll be good to see
• 51:40
  something else I would say. Nice, nice.
• 51:45
  Louis. Same thing you want to add.
• 51:46
  And I mean, you know, there's rumors of BMW come in, but it's
• 51:50
  not the same. I mean, you know.
• 51:52
  I mean, the the top three rumors right now are Suzuki looking to
• 51:56
  get back in the paddock, CF Moto looking to get into the paddock
• 52:02
  of those three and BMW or those two And BMWI would say the very
• 52:06
  first or top one would probably be CF Moto just because they
• 52:10
  have very, very deep pockets behind them.
• 52:14
  I would say Suzuki only because Suzuki has been in the game.
• 52:17
  And I know Suzuki, this has been a rumor for a long time, but
• 52:21
  they really are planning on launching some new models in
• 52:25
  2026 going into 2027 that would align with them trying to do a
• 52:29
  big marketing push to get these new models out there.
• 52:33
  And, and at the bottom, I would say BMWI don't think BMW has big
• 52:38
  aspirations to go to Moto GP that fast.
• 52:41
  I think they want to stay in World Super Bike.
• 52:43
  I think they see where their bread and butter is.
• 52:45
  If their bikes are winning, World Super Bike.
• 52:47
  If their bikes are winning in regional Super Bike classes,
• 52:51
  that directly attributes sales of their BMWs at the
• 52:56
  dealerships. Versus.
• 52:58
  You know versus you know, if Yamaha wins in Moto GP is not
• 53:01
  like I can buy an M1 if I have I have like an 1, you know if.
• 53:08
  I mean you can if you got some $1,000,000 in your pocket.
• 53:11
  And I never ride it because I don't have a big engineer with
• 53:13
  me that's going to explain to me how these buttons work.
• 53:20
  So, you know, I think BMW seen kind of the writing on the wall.
• 53:24
  Yeah, we'd like to be a Moto GP because there's a prestige to
• 53:27
  being there, but there's also a huge cost.
• 53:29
  And how does that correlate to the sales of my motorcycle?
• 53:32
  Because Honda is there and Yamaha is there and they're not
• 53:35
  selling more R ones or CBR1 thousands.
• 53:38
  When R ones and CBR1000 start winning in world sewer bike,
• 53:42
  they'll start selling more bikes in the street and vice versa.
• 53:45
  Then it'll grow, you know. So I think BMW stay where
• 53:49
  they're at. I think CF Moto, if they want
• 53:52
  people to take them as a serious brand, because even though
• 53:55
  Chinese companies make incredible products for a big
• 54:00
  swath of the world, they're still looked as the cheap
• 54:04
  manufacturer. Like this is where you go to buy
• 54:07
  things made cheaply and they actually make really quality
• 54:11
  products. They make incredibly good
• 54:13
  quality products. Even though it looks like
• 54:15
  they're stealing parts from a Ducati, parts from a Honda, and
• 54:18
  parts from Yamaha and putting them together to build a bike,
• 54:21
  they're still building quality bikes.
• 54:24
  So they're the ones that more than anybody else needs that
• 54:27
  world stage to show off their prestige.
• 54:32
  And in Suzuki, you know, they're a brand that's been in Moto GP
• 54:35
  several times. The last time they were Moto GP,
• 54:38
  they did have success. It's just they don't have as
• 54:41
  deep pockets as some of these other companies.
• 54:42
  So unless they're going to go there with a heavy, heavy
• 54:45
  sponsorship deal that's going to keep them in the game for an
• 54:48
  extended period of time, I mean, they can win.
• 54:50
  Their last Suzuki was a 4 cylinder bike in Line 4 built
• 54:55
  off a GSXR platform and it won. It handled great, it rode like
• 55:01
  it was on rails sometimes and it won races, man.
• 55:04
  So when they left GP it was actually really sad because it's
• 55:07
  not like they were a struggling motorcycle company that wasn't
• 55:11
  racist. No, they were at the pinnacle.
• 55:14
  Yeah, I would like to see if CF Moto doesn't come back, I really
• 55:18
  or come in. I really would like to see
• 55:19
  Suzuki come back into the paddock with the right
• 55:23
  sponsorship, with the right deal.
• 55:24
  Like they can't sponsor themselves, like they can't be
• 55:26
  the Suzuki bike, that's all Suzuki branded.
• 55:29
  Like they need a strong partner to partner with and if they can
• 55:33
  do that and they can sustain it, you know, they can leave spikes
• 55:37
  to another team and they can have 4 Suzuki's out there.
• 55:40
  Because I really do believe that, you know, Suzuki, Yamaha
• 55:44
  and Honda are three names that need to be a Moto GP next to
• 55:49
  Ducati. And if KTM goes away, I could
• 55:51
  care less. Man, I would not lose a wink of
• 55:53
  sleep if I never see a KTM in a Moto GP paddock again.
• 55:57
  Oh man. I mean, I mean, I got to
• 56:00
  piggyback off of what Lewis said.
• 56:02
  I mean that's the reason why Kawasaki is not there.
• 56:05
  Kawasaki was like, oh, Kawasaki needs to come back.
• 56:08
  They were so heavy focused on World Super Bike and not
• 56:14
  spending the money of what, billion dollars over there in GP
• 56:18
  that doesn't sell them any St. product where your World Super
• 56:23
  Bike sells your street by your street product because it's
• 56:26
  actually something people can walk into a dealership and buy.
• 56:32
  So So what it what it? What is the brand selling for in
• 56:35
  GP if it's not selling bikes? It's actually selling, it's not
• 56:40
  selling anything. It's actually everything that GP
• 56:43
  produces or comes into play. It kind of supposed to be figure
• 56:49
  out the prototype. It's supposed to be a way to
• 56:51
  figure out how can we make this into a consumer product.
• 56:58
  Because where Yamaha, I think what Ducati was doing it for a
• 57:02
  while first, but then I know Yamaha really excelled in it.
• 57:05
  Which was the, what was it? The Stealth, the yarn Access .6,
• 57:10
  the six points of measuring? All that is a Morelli system
• 57:14
  coming out of F1. We've been using that when I
• 57:16
  first started in 2014. That's all it is.
• 57:19
  It's Morelli system figuring out how to now make it into a
• 57:23
  consumer product. I mean unless you want to go
• 57:26
  spend 4 grand on a Morelli system and then $400.00 an hour
• 57:31
  for trying to figure out how to work the damn thing from tech
• 57:34
  service. Seems like a lot of words to go
• 57:38
  fast. But you know, for me immortals,
• 57:44
  Speaking of me, immortals set a Jubenale, Max, BRJ, Caparossi
• 57:49
  and Cheka. I mean, do you think these guys
• 57:52
  Korea would have been different if you know valley would have
• 57:55
  sat out a a few years in in in Moto GP and it you know, any of
• 58:00
  these guys had a chance. I mean, Max finished twice in
• 58:05
  2nd place, Juvenile finished in second place.
• 58:07
  So it's possible they could have.
• 58:09
  But you know, points, you know, they were they were down on
• 58:12
  points. What are your thoughts on those
• 58:14
  four guys? You know, and you know, if
• 58:16
  Michael Jordan stopped the, you know, these guys from winning
• 58:18
  championship, these are some guys that were pretty fast that
• 58:21
  Rossi said not today. Your thoughts, TJ?
• 58:25
  Yeah. I mean, I think all they needed
• 58:29
  was Rossi just to make a few mistakes.
• 58:31
  I mean, like, I mean like he made mistakes, but you know,
• 58:35
  like, like he was the same like he had barely any DNS.
• 58:40
  So like if he wasn't, if he wasn't in the season, I think it
• 58:45
  would have been much of a little bit of a little bit of a good
• 58:48
  fight still. But yeah, she and Sede Jamal,
• 58:53
  but he appreciated all their names.
• 58:55
  But like he he was pretty impressive throughout the
• 58:58
  season. Put up a really good fight, even
• 59:01
  though like he didn't win a lot of his races and and stuff like
• 59:05
  that. But Kaparazi and and Piaggi,
• 59:09
  they all look good. I mean, Piaggi wasn't there.
• 59:14
  I don't know who would have won, won.
• 59:16
  I mean, like, let's see, Piaggi came in second, Kaparazi in 3rd.
• 59:23
  So yeah, this, I mean, Piaggi has to put up both points.
• 59:27
  But if Rossi wasn't there, I think it was a different story.
• 59:31
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I I had my two
• 59:34
  cents. What are your thoughts on on
• 59:35
  that, Reese? You know, if Rossi was in the
• 59:38
  air and these other guys, I mean, you know, they still got
• 59:41
  to look themselves in the mirror and, you know.
• 59:44
  I mean, of course they would have had more points.
• 59:46
  I mean, that's just like Jordan and them Jordan when Jordan
• 59:49
  wasn't there, everybody was trying to go win the
• 59:50
  championship. You know, it was it's the same
• 59:53
  thing. So if Rossi wasn't there, that
• 59:55
  was dominating or the getting the special tires, I mean, yeah,
• 59:59
  of course. Special tires, Special bike.
• 1:00:03
  Right. So of course they would have
• 1:00:05
  won, they had a better opportunity or their career
• 1:00:06
  might have been longer, might have been different scenario.
• 1:00:09
  But I mean, when you have someone there that is like
• 1:00:14
  Jordan or Rossi, the face of the brand or the face of the the
• 1:00:19
  company, you can and someone that is portrayed as the next,
• 1:00:25
  you know, the next big thing or the next generation or, you
• 1:00:28
  know, something like that. I mean, of course you can't.
• 1:00:31
  You got nothing to compare to you.
• 1:00:33
  There's nothing to compete against.
• 1:00:34
  I can't you know, he that Jordan's the face was the face
• 1:00:37
  of the NBA and Rossi's the face of Moto GP.
• 1:00:41
  You can ask people nowadays and still the name Rossi will come
• 1:00:44
  up. You're like, dude, he's retired.
• 1:00:46
  Then move on all. Right.
• 1:00:50
  What are your thoughts, Ty Lewis?
• 1:00:51
  I got a question for all of you. What what makes a win more
• 1:00:56
  special? Winning against somebody that is
• 1:01:00
  super dominant and then every once in a while you beat him or
• 1:01:05
  every weekend somebody else winning because nobody's
• 1:01:08
  dominant. Because this is the two dynamics
• 1:01:11
  that you're looking at. For me, if there's one person
• 1:01:14
  that's super dominant and I beat them that weekend, you know, I'm
• 1:01:19
  going to thump my chest a lot because man, I beat the, I beat
• 1:01:21
  the Michael Jordan of my sport this weekend.
• 1:01:24
  But if we Fast forward to like 2 years ago when it was Bagnaya
• 1:01:29
  this weekend and Martine this weekend and this other guy this
• 1:01:33
  weekend and this other guy this weekend and this other guy this
• 1:01:36
  weekend and there was no consistency.
• 1:01:38
  Anybody could win every weekend. There was no special weekend
• 1:01:42
  because anybody can win every weekend.
• 1:01:45
  If you have to go in and fight a super villain, not a villain of
• 1:01:49
  the week, super villain and beat that super villain, there's a
• 1:01:54
  little bit more swag because you beat the Super villain.
• 1:01:58
  Like I didn't beat like the the the entry level boss.
• 1:02:02
  I beat the boss of the stage. You know, I don't know if you
• 1:02:07
  know, the last couple of years, Lewis, I mean, they they was
• 1:02:10
  mostly Martine and Bagnaya winning, not like a whole bunch.
• 1:02:14
  But I, I, I get what you're saying.
• 1:02:17
  You know, I will say this and and then Reese and TJ can jump
• 1:02:23
  in. If you fancy yourself to be one
• 1:02:26
  of the best, you want to battle against the best, right?
• 1:02:29
  But I'd rather be, you know, Djokovic on the dog going
• 1:02:35
  against Federer and Andy Roddick.
• 1:02:39
  No disrespect to Andy, I love you guys, but you got one.
• 1:02:43
  I think, let's put it this, I think as as a competitor, for
• 1:02:49
  instance, this year when when Bazecki finally beat Marquez in
• 1:02:54
  a straight up head to head, I think even though it's a win and
• 1:02:59
  he's going to be super emotional just knowing that on this day
• 1:03:03
  I'm the best rider in the world and I'd be the best rider in the
• 1:03:06
  world. You just kind of lift your head
• 1:03:09
  a little bit high. Oh yes, for sure, for sure.
• 1:03:12
  But you, I think you want to be Martine.
• 1:03:14
  Yeah, it's like, yeah, be Martine.
• 1:03:19
  I, I, yeah, I can see that. I mean, I can see that because
• 1:03:21
  they, they came up to Moto 2 together and stuff like that.
• 1:03:24
  And, and, you know, I, I think Bez feel like he's a better
• 1:03:27
  rider than Martine. I mean, you know, I, you know
• 1:03:30
  what I mean? And and so I I I would see that.
• 1:03:33
  And he he himself even said this year when he did beat Mark in
• 1:03:38
  some head to head battles that, you know, it, it felt different
• 1:03:44
  knowing that he beat Marquez. You know, because you are,
• 1:03:47
  you're beating on that day, you're beating what's considered
• 1:03:51
  the best person in that sport period, at this moment.
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  So you're saying these guys then they they all feel pretty bad
• 1:03:58
  and have nightmares? About they should have
• 1:04:00
  nightmares, man, but they shouldn't because it's not like
• 1:04:02
  you lost to Jorge Martin you not you didn't lose to like you
• 1:04:06
  know, you didn't lose to like stage 1 boss.
• 1:04:08
  You lost to the top boss. You didn't lose to Zangief.
• 1:04:13
  You lost to M Bison. You.
• 1:04:16
  Know. You didn't lose to Cortana.
• 1:04:21
  You, you, you lose to Shao Sung, You know, like you, you, you
• 1:04:24
  lost to the top boss. Everybody loses to the top boss.
• 1:04:27
  And you keep putting orders in the machine until you learn the
• 1:04:30
  pattern and you beat them. And then when you beat them, you
• 1:04:32
  you feel good that you beat them.
• 1:04:34
  Yeah, all right, all right, TJ, you want to anything you want to
• 1:04:39
  add to it or what? What Lewis said.
• 1:04:42
  No, I mean, I, I agree with that.
• 1:04:44
  I mean, I'm the type of competitor that I want to beat
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  the number one guy and it's just it gives me more motivation
• 1:04:51
  after that. And if anything, if I if I don't
• 1:04:56
  do well or for the for the future after that, at least I
• 1:05:00
  can say I beat that. No more guy.
• 1:05:01
  You didn't. So it's kind of like a
• 1:05:05
  milestone. Yeah.
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  You know you want. Rossi to look at you and be you
• 1:05:09
  got to you got to respect my my ride.
• 1:05:10
  Yeah, exactly. You know, so, but I guess it's
• 1:05:13
  just the way the sports going, you know, a lot of people want
• 1:05:16
  to see a lot of top riders and right now it's just been back
• 1:05:20
  and forth and I guess just the entertainment that we like to
• 1:05:23
  see nowadays. And yeah, I mean, I I do like
• 1:05:27
  the the one dominator where it's just like, alright, somebody got
• 1:05:31
  beat this guy, you know, like basically I'm a Patriots fan,
• 1:05:34
  you know, we want so many Super Bowls or like, you know, you
• 1:05:37
  like to Ducatis, like, you know, Ducatis was just 123456, you
• 1:05:41
  know, so. You know, I say you Ducati
• 1:05:50
  complex. So so yeah, I do like to see
• 1:05:55
  that. But also, you know, you know,
• 1:05:57
  it's just the way our sport's going for you got to have
• 1:06:01
  multiple things to root for instead of that one.
• 1:06:05
  I hate that reason. Why add to that, I mean, you
• 1:06:07
  know, you know, you already know you guys, you guys are the top
• 1:06:12
  dogs and the people are coming for you.
• 1:06:14
  So I guess you kind of know what that feels like.
• 1:06:17
  I mean, yeah, I mean, when you're going against the top
• 1:06:20
  dogs, I mean, if you want to be the best, you got to beat the
• 1:06:22
  best. And it's just like back in the
• 1:06:24
  day, like Mad Max used to say, you know, going against Jordan
• 1:06:28
  that night before you could, you know, you got to get some sleep
• 1:06:33
  because you're going to get the top dog.
• 1:06:34
  But you just, you know, it was hard to sleep because it's on
• 1:06:37
  your mind. But you got to get, you got to
• 1:06:39
  go to bed. You're not going out to party.
• 1:06:41
  You're not going out to do this. But it's what in line with TJ
• 1:06:45
  and Lewis said, I mean, I want to beat the best.
• 1:06:48
  I'm a competitor. And if, if I want to say I'm the
• 1:06:51
  best, I want to beat the best, you know, and it's just I want
• 1:06:56
  to meet you. If if I don't beat you, then how
• 1:06:58
  the heck am I going to say I'm the best?
• 1:07:00
  You know, how can I say that? You know, I, I can't, I'm just
• 1:07:03
  second banana. I I hear that Speaking of the
• 1:07:06
  best and we've been talking about Jordan a lot.
• 1:07:10
  Jordan went up against NASCAR and they settled and these guys
• 1:07:15
  had to sit shoulder to shoulder next to Jordan and let Jordan
• 1:07:19
  talk first while they kind of agreed to everything Mr. Jordan
• 1:07:22
  said is, you know, as you know, it's I don't know the insurance
• 1:07:28
  and out of what happened, but it sounds like, you know, it's a
• 1:07:30
  good look for NASCAR overall. What were your thoughts on, you
• 1:07:34
  know, Jordan taking up the the French family and and and trying
• 1:07:38
  to change how teams make money and stuff like that?
• 1:07:42
  And would that can we see that in the future?
• 1:07:44
  Because we've talked about it on the show, how, you know, teams
• 1:07:47
  can make money and and survive in the motorcycle racing.
• 1:07:50
  Is there anything that can possible trickle into the
• 1:07:54
  motorcycle business from that Cause Jordan says, you know, you
• 1:07:59
  got to treat it more like the NBA where, you know, the
• 1:08:02
  franchises also got to play to pick pay out the players a
• 1:08:05
  little bit more than just a salary.
• 1:08:08
  Well, you know what we're thought which TJ and then we'll
• 1:08:10
  go around the horn and and and see what it what it is.
• 1:08:16
  Yeah, I mean, I'm about to like look more into this, but like,
• 1:08:18
  that's crazy. That's good news that that
• 1:08:24
  Michael Jordan is even being mentioned with NASCAR, you know
• 1:08:26
  so well. You know that Jordan has a team
• 1:08:30
  in NASCAR 2311 and, and, and so and that's his team.
• 1:08:35
  And one other team brought a lawsuit against NASCAR for a
• 1:08:39
  monopolistic, monopolistic practice and might be jacking up
• 1:08:42
  that word, you know, been running a monopoly and, and
• 1:08:47
  teams can make money from that. So that's pretty much the gist
• 1:08:49
  of it, but it's not easy when you're going against a giant
• 1:08:52
  like, you know, NASCAR or the NFL or NBA.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah. I mean, so, so, So what you're
• 1:09:02
  saying basically it's a settlement towards Jordan for
• 1:09:06
  the situation because like I didn't, I didn't really heard
• 1:09:09
  about it, that's all. We'll, we'll, we'll let the
• 1:09:11
  other guys talk about it and we'll live together.
• 1:09:16
  So as somebody that lives in NASCAR HQ Charlotte, NC, this
• 1:09:21
  has been big, big news since the lawsuit was originally filed.
• 1:09:26
  And really high level synopsis is the way that NASCAR works is
• 1:09:32
  you have to re up every year to continue working with NASCAR.
• 1:09:38
  So you have to keep registering. So, so in the NBA, for instance,
• 1:09:43
  you own the team and you become a profit sharing partner with
• 1:09:48
  the NBA. If you own the team in NASCAR,
• 1:09:52
  there's charters and every year you have to renew your charter
• 1:09:55
  with NASCAR to stay in the paddock.
• 1:09:58
  So you don't really, you own your team, but your team never
• 1:10:01
  accrues value because there's no longevity.
• 1:10:04
  If you don't sign with NASCAR or they don't renew your charter,
• 1:10:09
  you can't sell your team for shit.
• 1:10:10
  So your team as a team can never build value.
• 1:10:13
  Like if the Dallas Cowboys every year had to go back to the NFL
• 1:10:16
  and ask can we stay in the NFL that the Dallas Cowboys would
• 1:10:20
  not be worth, you know, 2 1/2 billion dollars or whatever
• 1:10:23
  they're worth. They would be worth list because
• 1:10:25
  every year you're at the mercy of the NFL if they want to keep
• 1:10:28
  keep you. So now take that to another
• 1:10:31
  level. We've mentioned this in another
• 1:10:33
  episode. NASCAR itself owns most of the
• 1:10:36
  tracks that NASCAR races on, or they require those tracks to
• 1:10:40
  sign exclusivity agreements where they don't let other
• 1:10:43
  competing brands race at those tracks.
• 1:10:47
  So there was another company that was trying to build a
• 1:10:50
  competitor to NASCAR in a similar type of stock racing.
• 1:10:53
  NASCAR went went to all the tracks that they work that they
• 1:10:56
  don't directly own and made them sign exclusivity deals so these
• 1:11:00
  teams couldn't compete on those tracks, limiting where these
• 1:11:04
  companies can go raise. So these are all anti
• 1:11:07
  competitive practices and they're a little bit of
• 1:11:09
  monopoly. What they were suing for was a
• 1:11:12
  little bit more of the profit sharing, but the most important
• 1:11:15
  part was getting rid of these charters.
• 1:11:17
  If I have a team and I'm in NASCAR, my team is part of
• 1:11:23
  NASCAR forever. I don't have to keep re signing
• 1:11:25
  up every year. And by doing that now my team
• 1:11:29
  has equity as being part of NASCAR, so it can build in value
• 1:11:33
  over time. And if I ever want to get out of
• 1:11:35
  NASCAR racing, I can sell my team just as I would sell an NBA
• 1:11:39
  team or an NFL team or an MLB team for millions and millions
• 1:11:43
  of dollars, hundreds of millions or billions of dollars.
• 1:11:47
  And even in the NBA, the NFL and so forth, if these teams fall
• 1:11:52
  under certain thresholds, so like the town isn't showing up,
• 1:11:56
  your attendance is down, the stadium is not building.
• 1:11:59
  You can move the team and do other things, but you still own
• 1:12:02
  the team. So this was one of the biggest
• 1:12:05
  things is if you own the team, but you're not in permanently a
• 1:12:09
  fixture in NASCAR, you can never build equity in the team.
• 1:12:13
  And this has been like this for a long time.
• 1:12:15
  And it took someone like a Michael Jordan that has a big
• 1:12:19
  name that can take it out to the public and say I'm not going to
• 1:12:23
  sign this shit because my team has been here for so long.
• 1:12:26
  These are anti competitive practices.
• 1:12:28
  This is a monopoly that you have here.
• 1:12:31
  And for all the years I've been investing in this team and this
• 1:12:34
  team might make money. This team is never going to
• 1:12:36
  build equity over time because I have to keep coming back to you
• 1:12:39
  and begging you to stay in NASCAR.
• 1:12:42
  Like this is anti competitive and this is kind of like the
• 1:12:45
  main structure of the lawsuit. So now they asked for four
• 1:12:50
  specific things. They got 3 1/2 of the four
• 1:12:54
  things that they wanted in this settlement.
• 1:12:56
  So they have permanent charters now.
• 1:12:58
  So now you are permanently part of it.
• 1:13:01
  They get more money on the international distribution deals
• 1:13:06
  when their likenesses are used by NASCAR for promotion or to
• 1:13:10
  sell NASCAR events. So overall, this is really good
• 1:13:14
  for the teams because the teams now have equity in the sport and
• 1:13:19
  they can build the equity in their own brand within the
• 1:13:22
  sport. And it's amazing that for this
• 1:13:25
  long, this is the way. I mean, this is the the the the
• 1:13:29
  vice grip, the stranglehold that this family had on NASCAR for
• 1:13:34
  all these years. You know, people just didn't
• 1:13:36
  want to lose the ability to be in NASCAR.
• 1:13:39
  So they would just sign these charter, they would sign these
• 1:13:41
  less than profitable agreements just because they didn't want to
• 1:13:45
  lose their spot on the NASCAR grid.
• 1:13:48
  So it's amazing that Michael Jordan is such a businessman
• 1:13:53
  that he took what he applied in the NBA.
• 1:13:55
  And this is, again, why so many players in the NBA make millions
• 1:13:59
  of dollars now, not just on the field, but not on the court, but
• 1:14:03
  also off the court with sponsorship, with deals.
• 1:14:06
  And he took that same bulldogged, you know, method of
• 1:14:10
  thinking, and he forced it into a sport that one is not really
• 1:14:14
  known for being very accepted of certain races.
• 1:14:21
  There's a lot of Confederate flags that still fly over all
• 1:14:23
  these NASCAR events when you go to them.
• 1:14:27
  And it literally took an African American player to go to these
• 1:14:30
  white boys and be like, yo, you guys are getting screwed by
• 1:14:33
  these other white boys. Let me show you the way.
• 1:14:37
  So I hope that next year we see a few less Confederate flags and
• 1:14:40
  we see a few more jumping man flags because he really is
• 1:14:45
  changing the dynamics of NASCAR from this point moving forward.
• 1:14:48
  NASCAR now is going to be in a better position to grow and for
• 1:14:52
  the team to actually grow than it's ever been before, You know,
• 1:14:57
  because most of the teams actually work on a loss.
• 1:15:00
  Like there's teams that have been around for years and the
• 1:15:03
  only thing that keeps them in business is the other businesses
• 1:15:06
  that those people own that help them keep this business going.
• 1:15:11
  Michael Jordan's the hero. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't
• 1:15:15
  know that was that was the case with NASCAR.
• 1:15:18
  Like I don't follow the sport like that.
• 1:15:20
  So I didn't know like it was that that that's crazy to just
• 1:15:24
  stay in it. And hopefully this changes a lot
• 1:15:28
  too. Hopefully you see more more
• 1:15:30
  different type of writers and and stuff like that too.
• 1:15:35
  The thing is, The thing is this is that, you know, the way
• 1:15:42
  Jordan went about it and you know, the people that talked
• 1:15:46
  about, you know, what NASCAR was going to do and how you know
• 1:15:50
  this wasn't going to work. I mean, they got to eat crow now
• 1:15:53
  because there are a lot of people speculating that, you
• 1:15:56
  know, NASCAR was going to win the lawsuit and, and this wasn't
• 1:16:00
  going to go in Jordan's way and stuff like that.
• 1:16:02
  And, and, and again, you know, I don't know if they're part, I
• 1:16:04
  hate to say it like this, the, the, the, the, the good boy
• 1:16:07
  network or the good old boy network or whatever the case may
• 1:16:11
  be, but a lot of people thought Jordan was crazy for doing this.
• 1:16:14
  And again, not to say he doesn't need the money, but he really
• 1:16:18
  doesn't need the money. But he's just like, Yo, we can
• 1:16:21
  either blow this thing up or we can work.
• 1:16:23
  We can build it together. And and you know, it makes sense
• 1:16:26
  to build it up and blow it up. And the French father dude is
• 1:16:28
  just right next to him while he's saying that.
• 1:16:30
  I know this man must have been beside himself.
• 1:16:33
  No, it was, you know, a lot of other teams that signed those
• 1:16:37
  charters really did not give any Like they thought Michael Jordan
• 1:16:41
  did not have even one snowball's chance in hell of breaking this
• 1:16:47
  monopoly. You know they would just this is
• 1:16:49
  the good old boy network. This this boy ain't going to
• 1:16:52
  come in here and change our sport, all right?
• 1:16:56
  What he? Did.
• 1:16:58
  He, what he did is he actually, he took the curtain and opened
• 1:17:03
  the curtain and let the fans actually see what happens behind
• 1:17:07
  the curtain, how the Wizard of Oz really works.
• 1:17:10
  And he wanted to get the lawsuit into court because once you get
• 1:17:14
  into that lawsuit territory, you have to go through depositions.
• 1:17:20
  You know, there's discovery that.
• 1:17:22
  So all this stuff comes out and even in the emails that NASCAR
• 1:17:26
  had to provide. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Literally had emails showing what they were doing to keep the
• 1:17:31
  stranglehold in this monopoly. So not only did Michael Jordan
• 1:17:35
  really expose The Dirty secrets of NASCAR, now the fans can see
• 1:17:40
  it. And Michael Jordan also exposed
• 1:17:42
  it to a new fan base that wasn't part of NASCAR, right?
• 1:17:45
  So, you know, I hope, I mean, Motor America doesn't have
• 1:17:50
  NASCAR money, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of shady shit
• 1:17:54
  that happens in behind the scenes at Motor America as well.
• 1:17:58
  Like, you know, I've, I've been hearing rumors that there's guys
• 1:18:00
  that have been waiting since Laguna Seca for contingency
• 1:18:03
  money from Motor Americas. Now, if this is true, like why
• 1:18:09
  does somebody have to wait half a year to get their contingency
• 1:18:12
  payment? You know, why do these teams
• 1:18:15
  need to pay these exorbitant fees?
• 1:18:18
  Why do you you know what other things are happening?
• 1:18:21
  So this could just be the first domino to fall where people are
• 1:18:24
  starting to see what wait, Michael Jordan in that in that
• 1:18:26
  sport, you know, how does that apply to this?
• 1:18:29
  Sport. Yeah, I mean that that's pretty
• 1:18:33
  much what I was asking. What are your thoughts Reese,
• 1:18:35
  before we get out of here, you know, good luck for for a NASCAR
• 1:18:39
  and and maybe might get into your sport.
• 1:18:43
  I mean, I don't really follow NASCAR that much, but I mean, it
• 1:18:45
  seems like a good look. I mean, it's someone that peeled
• 1:18:47
  the curtain back, like Lewis said behind the scenes and
• 1:18:50
  actually let people see what's going on.
• 1:18:53
  So I mean, hopefully it does circle down to our side and, you
• 1:18:56
  know, boost the sport up even more.
• 1:18:58
  I mean can never hurt. No, we can't.
• 1:19:02
  We can't. We can't.
• 1:19:02
  Yeah. I don't follow sports that just
• 1:19:03
  go left, left, left, left, left, left, left, left.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah. Horny man.
• 1:19:10
  I'd rather watch paint dry. I will say the couple of Rd.
• 1:19:15
  races they have are really exciting, man.
• 1:19:18
  The couple of NASCAR road race course events that they have,
• 1:19:20
  those are really exciting. A couple.
• 1:19:25
  It takes a lot of skill to go bumper to bumper next to other
• 1:19:29
  people. And.
• 1:19:31
  I trust and I'll get claustrophobic when you're
• 1:19:33
  boxing on the inside. Oh man, well, I want thanks
• 1:19:39
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• 1:19:40
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• 1:19:44
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• 1:19:55
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• 1:20:00
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• 1:20:02
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