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Media Intensifies Efforts to Demonize Holdout Clancy Juror · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Karambas of Radio America
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  Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
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  Speaker 1: Three Martini's coming up.
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  Speaker 3: So glad you're with us for the Monday Three Martini Lunch.
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  Speaker 3: You know what Jim Garrity really wants to talk about,
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  Speaker 3: but you're going to have to wait until the chaser,
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  Speaker 3: and so will he. So we've got a lot to
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  Speaker 3: get to until that time. Jim, it was yesterday that
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  Speaker 3: we found out about the very harrowing situation involving Wisconsin
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  Speaker 3: Republican gubernatorial nominee Tom Tiffany, congressman from Wisconsin as well.
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  Speaker 3: He tells the story this way on X yesterday. While
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  Speaker 3: returning home from the La Crosse County Lincoln Day dinner tonight,
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  Speaker 3: the plane I was traveling in lost power as we
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  Speaker 3: approached the Wausau Downtown Airport. The pilot made an emergency
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  Speaker 3: water landing in Lake Wausau. After landing, we called 911.
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  Speaker 3: As the plane began to submerge, we exited the aircraft
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  Speaker 3: and swam to a shallow area where we waited until
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  Speaker 3: emergency responders reached us by boat.
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  Speaker 4: I want to express my.
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  Speaker 3: Deepest gratitude to the pilot, the Wausau Fire Department, and
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  Speaker 3: all the first responders who came to our aid yesterday. Understandably,
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  Speaker 3: Congressman Tiffany, still pretty emotional about what he had been
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  Speaker 3: through the night before.
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  Speaker 4: We are just really fortunate.
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  Speaker 5: We're really fortunate that God was looking after us.
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  Speaker 4: Last night. And he also says he's still, after all that,
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  Speaker 4: ready to get back on the trail.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to thank all of you for your
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  Speaker 5: thoughts and prayers for me and my family after our
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  Speaker 5: plane went down in Lake Wausau. We're so grateful for them.
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  Speaker 5: And thank you to the first responders that pulled us
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  Speaker 5: out of Lake Wausau. They represent the best of Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 5: I just want you to know that I'm okay and
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  Speaker 5: I'm ready to get back to work for you.
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  Speaker 4: So there you go.
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  Speaker 3: You should think that everybody would be happy. Wow, that
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  Speaker 3: was a really scary thing. Amazing that he's still alive.
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  Speaker 3: Thank God for that. And everybody should be thrilled about that.
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  Speaker 3: But Hope Carnop writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Jim.
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  Speaker 3: She puts out a map of the area. She says,
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  Speaker 3: here's a map from the Marathon County Sheriff's Office that
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  Speaker 3: shows approximate location of the emergency landing involving Tom Tiffany.
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  Speaker 3: According to the Wisconsin DNR, the maximum depth of Lake
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  Speaker 3: Wausau is only 30 feet. and the mean depth is
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  Speaker 3: seven feet. To which someone on X responds, why did
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  Speaker 3: you insert the word only? And she says, to explain
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  Speaker 3: the gravity of the situation, 30 feet doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 3: much to me. Jim, it's taller than anybody else, 30 feet,
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  Speaker 3: and so is seven feet, just about, certainly taller than
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  Speaker 3: Tom Tiffany. And so she's now deleted these tweets, but
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  Speaker 3: just trying to find a way to just diminish this
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  Speaker 3: story somehow. I don't know why she would be interested
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  Speaker 3: in that, but Again, the bigger story is.
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  Speaker 4: That, thank goodness, Tom Tiffany's okay.
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  Speaker 6: First of all, listeners, viewers, let the record show that
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  Speaker 6: Greg says that I cannot talk about the Jets. And
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  Speaker 6: then immediately, let's talk about airplanes.
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 6: We're going to taunt Jim and Tom Tiffany in that
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  Speaker 6: very gracious thank you video. It's wearing a Green Bay
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  Speaker 6: Packers shirt. Who do the Jets play next week, Greg?
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  Speaker 6: The Green Bay Packers.
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 6: So I just want to point out, I understand what
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  Speaker 6: you're doing here.
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  Speaker 1: Fine, fine.
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  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I saw this and I thought about,
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  Speaker 6: was it Mel Carnahan, the Democratic senator? Ted Stevens, the
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  Speaker 6: former Republican senator. Paul Wellstone, if I remember correctly, of Minnesota.
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  Speaker 6: Politicians travel on planes a lot more than the average
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  Speaker 6: person does. And as a result of this, a lot
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  Speaker 6: of them are smaller planes. A lot of them are
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  Speaker 6: smaller airports traveling around their state to campaign and such.
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  Speaker 6: And as a result of that, they are more likely
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  Speaker 6: to end up in plane crashes. Thankfully, this one has
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  Speaker 6: a happy ending. And thank God and thank goodness for
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  Speaker 6: Tom Tiffany. I'd also point out that this was a
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  Speaker 6: race that certainly dropped off the national radar screen after
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  Speaker 6: Francesca Hong lost the primary. The polling I had seen,
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  Speaker 6: it looked like it was pretty darn close. Maybe the
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  Speaker 6: Democrat who won the primary, David Crowley, with a small lead.
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  Speaker 6: It's not like, oh good, there was this plane crash
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  Speaker 6: for Tom Tiffany. But just an observation, this probably puts
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  Speaker 6: the race back on people's radar screens. um as we
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  Speaker 6: get into the heat the heat of the the you
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  Speaker 6: know the the peak of campaign season that observation about
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  Speaker 6: it's only seven feet greg does this reporter believe that
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  Speaker 6: tom tiffany who is a member of congress moonlights playing
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  Speaker 6: in the nba because seven.
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  Speaker 1: Feet is more than you or me seven feet is.
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  Speaker 6: Taller than just about everybody and oh by the way
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  Speaker 6: your plane is crashing like by the way like I
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  Speaker 6: don't work for the National Transportation Safety Board, but like
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  Speaker 6: shallow water might be tougher because at some point you
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  Speaker 6: go through the water, you hit the ground, that could
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  Speaker 6: do even more impact of damage and things like that.
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  Speaker 6: So this was, you know, the right response to this
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  Speaker 6: sort of thing is thank God and just, you know,
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  Speaker 6: give the facts. The lake was only seven feet at that. Like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, there have recently been terrible mass layoffs at McClatchy.
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  Speaker 6: There are lots of mass layoffs, particularly in America's newspapers.
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  Speaker 6: And I don't like to see that. But when people
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  Speaker 6: say things like this, and social media has been this
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  Speaker 6: horrific open window into the minds of people who are
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  Speaker 6: journalists and their first reaction, and they put it out there,
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  Speaker 6: and the instinct is, it's only seven feet. No, what
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  Speaker 6: is wrong with you? Again, like, it would be good
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  Speaker 6: to have the editor come out and say, this is
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  Speaker 6: not We don't want to downplay the risk of a
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  Speaker 6: plane crash. Show me the safe plane crash. Show me
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  Speaker 6: the plane crash that is not a big deal, particularly
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  Speaker 6: for a water landing. Captain Sully, they made a whole
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  Speaker 6: movie about all this kind of stuff. Water landings are
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  Speaker 6: not good and not.
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  Speaker 1: Easy, and that's one of the reasons, you know.
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  Speaker 6: They go through the safety protocol before you take off
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  Speaker 6: on every commercial airliner. So a very thankful story with
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  Speaker 6: the weirdly discordant note by the reporter living down to
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  Speaker 6: every negative stereotype that folks on the right half of
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  Speaker 6: people like this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to downplay a story that doesn't need to
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  Speaker 3: be downplayed whatsoever. You could have just put the map
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  Speaker 3: out there.
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  Speaker 4: That's fine.
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  Speaker 3: The word only really got her in trouble there. And
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  Speaker 3: so hopefully there is a discussion happening in that newsroom.
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  Speaker 3: given their handling of the Mandela Barnes story with not
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  Speaker 3: a lot of details at basically the behest of Tony
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  Speaker 3: Evers to force him out of the race. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: real confident that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has got everyone's
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  Speaker 3: best interests at heart here.
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  Speaker 4: But again, Tom Tiffany, glad you're okay. Hope you win.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Greg, the odds of Tom Tiffany's plane crashing
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  Speaker 6: into your home are pretty low, even if you live
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  Speaker 6: in the state of Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: But what you do have to.
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  Speaker 6: adding up at something important breaking, whether it's your plumbing,
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  Speaker 3: let's go back out to Los Angeles, the hopeless race,
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  Speaker 3: as I like to call it, because no matter who wins,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be a disaster for the people of
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles. But hey, these are the two people that
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  Speaker 3: you put in the November election. So if things continue
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  Speaker 3: to go spiraling downward in Los Angeles, it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: really your own fault.
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  Speaker 4: But of course, the big event that.
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  Speaker 3: Happened on Karen Bass's watch, the current mayor, was the
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  Speaker 3: massive fires that happened in early November. 2025, most famously
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  Speaker 3: the Pacific Palisades, but, you know, Malibu, so many different
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  Speaker 3: other parts, so many different.
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  Speaker 4: Fires, in fact.
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  Speaker 3: Not surprisingly, Congress wants to investigate what exactly happened there,
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  Speaker 3: both leading up to it, during and after the fact,
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  Speaker 3: but Jim, Karen Bass is just.
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  Speaker 4: She's just too busy.
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  Speaker 3: She can't come to Washington to take part in this process.
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  Speaker 3: And man, even just getting the documents ready is just a.
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  Speaker 4: Super big problem for her staff. They're going to do it,
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  Speaker 4: but man, think of the cost.
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  Speaker 3: Your message to that committee, the house committee that wants
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  Speaker 3: you to show up and talk about homelessness and the
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  Speaker 3: Republicans in that committee is what?
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  Speaker 7: I cannot attend due to my schedule. I will tell
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  Speaker 7: you though, Jacob, that it's not just me showing up.
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  Speaker 7: They also asked for a ton of documents. And we
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  Speaker 7: will cooperate with that, as we have with the other investigations.
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  Speaker 1: But when they do.
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  Speaker 7: That, when they pile investigations on you, you can imagine
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  Speaker 7: how much money is being wasted, spent, because you have
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  Speaker 7: to have attorneys. You have to have staff that go
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  Speaker 7: through and send them document after document.
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  Speaker 1: I served there.
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  Speaker 7: I know what this dog and pony show is.
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  Speaker 1: I know what those houses are.
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  Speaker 7: Hearings are about. And, you know, in my opinion, one,
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  Speaker 7: I could not make it this week. But two, I
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  Speaker 7: just think it is a complete misuse of resources in
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  Speaker 7: the city and a waste of time on the federal side.
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  Speaker 3: A complete waste of time, Jim, given all the mayhem
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  Speaker 3: and people losing their homes and the misery and the
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  Speaker 3: slow rebuild there. But I guess for the first time
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  Speaker 3: in her life, Karen Bass has found something she thinks
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  Speaker 3: is government waste.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess that's the faintest glimmer of a silver lining. Greg,
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  Speaker 6: I noticed the MSNOW host did not say, oh, you've
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  Speaker 6: been in Congress and you're familiar with this sort of, quote,
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  Speaker 6: dog and pony show.
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  Speaker 1: What dog and pony shows.
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  Speaker 6: Were you involved with during your time in Congress? Which
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  Speaker 6: hearings did you hold and participate in that were not,
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  Speaker 6: in fact, genuine fact-finding and oversight and were, in fact,
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  Speaker 6: just being used to humiliate the opposition? Because I have
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  Speaker 6: a feeling your hands are not as clean on this
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  Speaker 6: as you'd like to pretend.
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  Speaker 1: In addition to all of.
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  Speaker 6: Her copious other flaws being AWOL when the city needed it,
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  Speaker 6: apparently seeing the mayor's office as sort of a semi-retirement
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  Speaker 6: gig where you mostly just show up for ribbon cuttings
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  Speaker 6: and ceremonial duties.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't think she'd actually have to work. She's also
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  Speaker 1: a whiner.
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  Speaker 6: And of all the things that Los Angeles should not tolerate,
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  Speaker 6: she noticed she was talking about this as if this
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  Speaker 6: is something that's happening to her. This is not a
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  Speaker 6: consequence of her record as mayor and the things that
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  Speaker 6: she has done in her now nearly four years there.
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  Speaker 6: She pled she was going to fix homelessness. The homelessness
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  Speaker 6: problem is worse than ever. And that's even separate from
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  Speaker 6: the large-scale response to the wildfires. I think the city's
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  Speaker 6: preparations for the wildfires, not just in her office, but
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  Speaker 6: just generally fire preparation, as well as the state level
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  Speaker 6: and the federal level, are entirely legitimate areas for this. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, considering how, like, the idea, like, ah, you know,
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  Speaker 6: none of this is all done. Look, is it inconvenient
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  Speaker 6: when it's going on during a campaign?
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: But it's Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 6: We're not exactly, it's not like she's doing a ton
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  Speaker 6: of town halls morning, noon, and night. You know, like,
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  Speaker 6: um this so this just kind of the sense of
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  Speaker 6: like oh it's a waste of money oh really oh
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  Speaker 6: really reviewing what you're doing is a waste of money
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  Speaker 6: not everything i'm fairly certain if we looked at the
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  Speaker 6: los angeles city budget we could find all kinds of
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  Speaker 6: this sort of thing and you know requesting doc congress
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  Speaker 6: requesting documents from local governments happens every day of the
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  Speaker 6: week and twice on sundays the idea that she's getting
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  Speaker 6: some sort of undue burden here is ridiculous and it's
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  Speaker 6: just more continuing the sense.
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  Speaker 1: That like If you really don't want to do this,
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  Speaker 1: stop running for re-election.
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  Speaker 6: No one's making you. You know why you're in this situation?
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  Speaker 6: Because you ran for this office, got elected to this office,
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  Speaker 6: and you insist upon staying in this office even though
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  Speaker 6: you have utterly failed your constituents.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely right. I don't know about you, Jim.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I've heard her say one thing that
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  Speaker 3: she wishes she had done differently before, during, or after
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  Speaker 3: the fire. I don't think Gavin Newsom has said that either.
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  Speaker 3: They tried to blame Trump, which is hilarious because Trump
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  Speaker 3: wasn't even back in office yet. when the fires came
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  Speaker 3: in very early January of 2025. So like we said
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  Speaker 3: at the time, when it's all Democrats, you really don't
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  Speaker 3: have Republicans to blame. And so that's why they tried
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: to blame it on climate change, but then they arrested
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: an arsonist. And so the whole attempt to not blame
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  Speaker 3: Democrats here is falling apart. I don't know what's going
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  Speaker 3: to happen out of this congressional hearing, but Karen Bass,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure, will slow play the documents as much as
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  Speaker 3: possible as well.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we're cooperating.
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  Speaker 3: Here's three more from this week. But again, I think
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  Speaker 3: she's learned nothing. I don't think she wanted to learn anything.
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  Speaker 3: And good luck, Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 3: want somebody like Karen Bass running it, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 3: 3 here with this Clancy jury and this whole Lindsay
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  Speaker 3: Clancy story. Every time we think we're out, they pull
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  Speaker 3: us back in with the absolute insanity. We reacted to
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  Speaker 3: the three female jurors that talked to the local NBC
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  Speaker 3: Boston affiliate. last week, but so much has happened since then.
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  Speaker 3: So let's catch up real quickly. After we recorded on Friday,
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  Speaker 3: and that was our special 9-11 edition, so we wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have talked about this anyway at the time, one of
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  Speaker 3: those three female jurors, her name is Paula Devlin, sat
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  Speaker 3: down with Gayle King and revealed something that left Gayle
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  Speaker 3: King absolutely shook.
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  Speaker 7: I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it
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  Speaker 7: was nine women, three men.
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  Speaker 2: What was the age range?
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  Speaker 4: What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that.
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  Speaker 8: What was it? 70-ish to 22. And one person of
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  Speaker 8: color and then everybody else was white. A lot of
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  Speaker 8: the jurors had children.
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  Speaker 7: Uh-huh. One person of color was a person of color,
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  Speaker 7: a woman or a man?
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  Speaker 8: A man.
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  Speaker 1: A man. Is a holdout juror a person of, a
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  Speaker 1: black man?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: A black man is a holdout juror?
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I have to sit with that for just a second.
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  Speaker 3: Why do you have to sit with that for a second,
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  Speaker 3: Gayle King? Is it because you just expect them to
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  Speaker 3: think the exact same way that you do? That's, that's
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  Speaker 3: facts of racism to me. I don't know what you
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  Speaker 3: think about that, Jim. But then the day wasn't over yet.
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  Speaker 3: Later on Friday, Sue O'Connell of NBC10 in Boston, who
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  Speaker 3: did those interviews with the three jurors out in the
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  Speaker 3: yard there, says the holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: trial had a history of domestic violence allegations. The NBC10
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Boston investigators have learned through court documents and interviews with
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: family members. Watch at 4, 5, 6, and on our
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: digital platforms. So now it's not bad enough that they
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: demonized this guy in interviews. Now they got to go
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: digging through his personal life, which I don't think I've
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: ever heard in relation to a juror, but they've got
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: to demonize this guy and potentially poison the pool for
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: another trial if that happens.
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  Speaker 4: Then Paula Devlin.
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  Speaker 3: Same person that Gayle King was talking to, talks to
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: another CBS interviewer about some of their rationale for why
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: most of them wanted to be not guilty by reason
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: of insanity.
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  Speaker 8: We knew that this was a turning point. And this
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  Speaker 8: would be something that could change something to make it
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  Speaker 8: better for other women in the future, for other families.
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  Speaker 8: You know, justice for those children is this never happening again.
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  Speaker 4: No, no. Actually, punishing the person who killed them would
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: be good.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: But Jim, so now they've decided that part of the
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: verdict was to make some sort of social progress, which
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: is definitely not their job.
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  Speaker 6: Lots to unpack here to live down to one of
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: my stereotypes. So first of all, I'm a little bit
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: bewildered by, you know, the juror was in the jury room.
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: When they ask you what the racial makeup was, you
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: can say this many white, this many black. She gets
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: into percentages and you have 12. So it's 70 some
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: to 22. Just tell us who was what color. That's
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: the weird thing of like, we don't need to bring
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: in algebra. I'm not getting on a Tucker Carlson rant.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying there's a reason for letters to be
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: in there. But nonetheless, it was a majority white and
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: almost entirely white jury. And now we learn, oh, the
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: lone holdout was an African-American man? And all of these
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: white ladies who've gone all around, gone on this media tour,
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: talking about how injustice was— Wait, all of a sudden? Greg,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: I'm not surprised that she had to sit with that
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: for a moment because— My guess is she is locked
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: into this narrative in which the minority, somebody who's in
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: a minority group must be the hero of the story.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: Someone who is white must be the villain of the story.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: And she had come into this saying, well, ah, the
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: 11 jurors who wanted to let Lindsay Clancy, wanted to
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: find her not guilty by reason of insanity, are the
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: heroes of this story. And this guy, the lone holdout juror,
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: is the villain of this story. Except the racial lines
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: don't line up the way Gayle King expected. Um, so
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: that was, that was a, you know, rather revealing moment
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: on camera on that. Uh, the second thing that I'm like,
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: you know, like on the one hand, we've had some
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: fun at the, um, we've laughed at these, the jurors
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: who've decided that these are the 15 minutes of fame
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: and they're going to enjoy every last millisecond of it.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: I joke about getting out of jury duty, but generally
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: there's always a chance that, you And you find yourself
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: serving on a jury. You can't come up with any
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: good excuse. You can't come up with any good reason
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: why you would not be a good juror.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: This is one of the three things.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: It's not quite getting drafted, but it's one of the
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: things that the government can make you do. So, if
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: the government is going to make you do something, there
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: are a couple of things. They pay you a couple
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: of bucks a day. They'll pay you a per diem
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: to cover transportation costs sometimes.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: If you're not sequestered.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: If you're sequestered, obviously, they're keeping you up in some
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: hotel room or something like that. And, you know, basically you,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: the juror, you know, the government's kind of dragging you
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: into doing something. So it basically tries to make things easier.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: But a really key part of that is anonymity. This
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: holdout juror has not appeared on camera yet. I suspect
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: he never will. And he is under no obligation to
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: ever sit down and say, here's the decision I reached.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Here's my reasoning and what that was. Now, if you're
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: a juror, after the trial is done, you can go
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: out and you can try to turn yourself into a
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: bit of a, a mini celebrity for a period, and
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: clearly a bunch of the jurors have chosen to do this,
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: but the more we learn about this juror, the more
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: likely it is that somebody is going to be able
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: to take this information and dox him. We already had
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: the woman who was taking pictures of the jurors or
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: recording video of the jurors as they were entering. I'm
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: not quite sure why this jury wasn't sequestered. I do
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: kind of wonder about that. I just kind of wonder
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: if maybe the national interest in the case increased over
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: time and they'd already made the decision not to sequester them.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: Sequesting a jury is obviously a considerable expense. It's obviously
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: a considerable imposition on the lives of the jurors. But
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: this guy, if he doesn't want to come forward, deserves
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: to keep his anonymity. And it certainly feels like there's
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: a lot of people in the media world of the
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: Boston area who would like to get that revealed. And
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: my suspicion is that once this guy's name gets out,
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: he'll be subjected to all kinds of harassment because that's
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: what happens in our society right now. We live in
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: a world where Alex Jones listeners decided to harass the
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: grieving parents of Sandy Hook. If you're a public figure,
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: people conclude you are a fair target for this. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: certainly the incendiary rhetoric we've heard from everyone from the
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: defense attorney to some of these other jurors does not
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: do anything. The other thing is when she says that
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: she saw the idea that this verdict was going to
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: change something. And I really would have liked her to
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: elaborate on what that something was.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: For other women.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: That's not your job as a juror. You get very
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: clear instructions, very strict instructions. You're supposed to judge it
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: based on the facts and the law in front of you.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: Your job is not to change society. Your job is
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: not to be a symbol. Your job is not to
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: make these sweeping... No, facts and the law, that's all
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: you got there. And we've already seen several of the
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: jurors who I guess had been nurses or had some
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: sort of medical background, who said, well, I know from
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: my professional experience, this is how she reacted to the medication, blah, blah, blah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: And people point out, no, that's not what you're supposed
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: to do as a juror. It's very hard to build
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: a wall in your brain between things you may know
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: from earlier in life and the facts in the case
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: before you. But you're not supposed to bring in your
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: own facts into the jury room. You're supposed to be
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: basing exactly what was said in and during that trial.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: So that too was kind of troubling. And just kind
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: of this idea of every opportunity so far, these jurors
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: have lived down to the stereotype that people had suspected
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: during this. And again, it's not going to go away
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: from the jury system, but obviously every time there's a
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: high profile case and there's a controversial decision, people lose
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: some faith in the jury system. Every public appearance these
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: jurors make, they are undermining the public's faith in it
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: even further.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: No, I think that's exactly right. And if there is
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: a second trial here, Would you want to serve on
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: that jury, knowing that if you come to the same
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: conclusion as the holdout jury, that your life is going
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: to be destroyed that way too? I mean, this is
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: clearly jury intimidation of a prospective second trial, I think,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: from the defense attorney to NBC10 Boston to some of
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: these jurors. And speaking of NBC10 Boston, the woman who
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: interviewed the three women earlier last week was Sue O'Connell.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: She makes it very clear in her Twitter bio or
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: ex-bio that she is a commentator, she's not a reporter.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: But here is what she had to say a while
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: back when people were celebrating Luigi Mangione's murder of the
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: CEO of United Healthcare.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: She did say.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Before this clip that she thought it was ghoulish that
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: they were celebrating this, but like every person on the left,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: that's immediately followed with, but.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Washington should pay attention to this reaction. I checked the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: feeds of a number of those people who were celebrating
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: this murder and they weren't trolls or haters. That anger
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: could be harnessed and it could actually fuel efforts again
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: for maybe something like Medicare for all, like Senator Bernie
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Sanders has advocated for.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Gosh, just terrible that this guy was murdered. But maybe
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: we can get Medicare for all out of it if
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: we just push hard enough. Jim, these people are amazing.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: There's no reason to question my objectivity. Also, here's the
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: legislation we need to pass.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Exactly right.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Alright, in a minute, yes, we're in pretty good moods
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: today following yesterday's results in the NFL. We'll talk about
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: it briefly in just a second. Alright, Jim, yesterday the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Jets went on the road, beat the Tennessee Titans 23-10.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: The Bears went on the road and beat the Carolina
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Panthers 59-37. Jim, I looked it up. 2013 was the
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: last time both of our teams started 1-0. At that time,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Colin Kaepernick was the quarterback of a team that had
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: just gone to the Super Bowl and almost won it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Barack Obama had just been sworn in for a second term.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: That's the year Edward Snowden got arrested. It's the year
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: of the Boston Marathon bombing. It's been a while, 13 years.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: But hey, 1-0 is a good start. I try not
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: to get too excited, but I think both of us
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: have reason to be optimistic.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Greg, my high schooler was a toddler then. Because the
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: Jets have not made the playoffs since after the 2010 season.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: My younger one has kind of said, am I the problem? Like, no. No,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: you were born the last time. You were alive last
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: time they were in the playoffs. So it's not your fault, kiddo.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: Suddenly I turned into Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: But no, first of all, 59 points. I hope you
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: guys use up all your points in the first three weeks.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: because yes, the Jets and Bears play each other week four.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Greg and I will have a lot of fun with
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: that down the road. You got to pull for us
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: because we got the Packers next week and the Lions
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: after that. So you need us to knock off your NFC.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: But first of all, congratulations. We're watching in our restaurant
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: and every time I looked up, the Bears score was higher.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: It just was like a pinball machine. The scoreboard couldn't
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: keep up fast enough. And as for that, Tomorrow I
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: will tape editors. My boss, Rich Lowry, grew up a
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: Houston Oilers fan and has become a Tennessee Titans fan.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: And I will give them, they have really snazzy looking uniforms.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: That said, as a Jets fan, I'm very familiar with
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Robert Sala. And let's say his quirks as a head coach,
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: all of them were on display yesterday. And boy, oh boy,
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: I think it's going to be a long season. I
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: didn't actually watch the postgame press conference. I'm sure Robert
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Sala's like, well, I got to look at the tape,
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: but you know, We got to go all gas, no brakes,
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: play to the whistle, 60-minute effort.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Every cliche stuff is going to have.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Absolutely nothing to give you a sense of, oh, I've
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: recognized what's wrong with this team and I know how
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: to fix it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: So good luck, Tennessee.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: We'll see you at the draft season.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: The part of me that says don't get too excited,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: it's only week one, says, all right, defense has to
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: do better. We gave up 37 points. But when you're
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: looking at 59 on the offensive side, it's pretty hard
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: not to be excited about that. All eight touchdowns coming
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: from Eight touchdowns.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: I didn't know you could score eight touchdowns in a season,
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: never mind a game.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: There are seasons that took us a while to get
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: to eight touchdowns, that's for sure. That's a good month
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: for us. Yeah, accounting for at least four, maybe five
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: touchdowns and three on the ground for Swift. So we're
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: home against the Vikings, who actually looked a lot better
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: than we expected yesterday.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: So we'll see. One week at a time.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: You play them one game at a time, as the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: cliche goes. But hey, it's much better to be 1-0
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: than 0-1. Jim, see you tomorrow. See you tomorrow, Greg.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Jim Garrity, National Review. I'm Greg Karumbas of Radio America.
• 26:50
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