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Fridays with Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Hey thirty on a Friday, and a happy one to you,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas. Always looking forward to this time of the week.
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  Speaker 1: We get Jack Windsor from the hot Press Network find
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  Speaker 1: him online obviously the Ohio presnetwork dot com, where he
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  Speaker 1: writes about state issues and other topics related national issues
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  Speaker 1: as well. Of course, does some great investigative reporting himself,
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  Speaker 1: and is willing to come onto the program and talk
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  Speaker 1: about all these things, including we're going to get in
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  Speaker 1: the next segment medicaid fraud. But welcome back, Jack Windsor.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming on the show. Happy Friday, you sir.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Friday. Great to be here with you and Joe
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  Speaker 2: and the listeners. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I see you got the same poll that I did,
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  Speaker 1: the Fox News survey, which says we got a little
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  Speaker 1: concern Canary and the coal mine kind of stuff going
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  Speaker 1: on here in the state of Ohio. The most concerning
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  Speaker 1: element of the poll from Fox News was the VvE
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  Speaker 1: Gramaswammy and Amy acton or Neck and Neck Amy lockdown
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  Speaker 1: acting actually has fans out there in the world. Why
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  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor, let's break this down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't have any great answers on that,
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  Speaker 2: but I've been talking about it a lot and thinking
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  Speaker 2: about it a lot. I had a good conversation yesterday
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  Speaker 2: with a man in Columbus. His name's Bob Clegig. He's
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  Speaker 2: a long time GOP strategist, and he is curious about
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  Speaker 2: the poll. He said, Yeah, I need to see the
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  Speaker 2: cross tabs. I'm not sure who they surveyed. But look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna make no bones about it. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a tighter race than Republicans want it to be.
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  Speaker 2: But acting is up fifty to forty nine, so basically
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  Speaker 2: a statistical tie within the margin of error. But man,
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  Speaker 2: the thing that baffles me, Brian just probably the same
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  Speaker 2: thing that baffles you. The woman was wrong on everything
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  Speaker 2: with respect to COVID. But here's what concerns me. You
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  Speaker 2: probably get this on your program. There are still people
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  Speaker 2: who believe that masking works and six feet of social
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  Speaker 2: distance was scientific, and so you know, I attribute a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of that to ignorant, full brainwashing. Yeah, pearance, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the press and whatnot. But here's the thing. The other
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  Speaker 2: thing that's interesting to me that Bob mentioned yesterday that
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  Speaker 2: kind of set my sights in a different direction. He said,
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  Speaker 2: think about what you're doing right now. You know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of families are getting kids out of school, They're
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  Speaker 2: worried about summer camps. He goes, I don't think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people are really thinking that much about this race.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious who they sampled. Nonetheless, I think it should
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  Speaker 2: still be a red flag and alarm for the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing that really concerns me, and
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  Speaker 1: I am praying to God that this is not true,
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  Speaker 1: that vivig Ramaswami being Hindu is a problem for people.
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  Speaker 1: And every time someone suggests that, and I have heard
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  Speaker 1: that out loud, my response is, we don't live in
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  Speaker 1: a theocracy. He can't make you worship any religion. And
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  Speaker 1: what is the fact he's Hindu have anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with it. Look at his demonstrable success as a businessman,
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  Speaker 1: an employer of thousands of people, a giver back of
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  Speaker 1: his intellect to the entire world, let alone Ohio and
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  Speaker 1: the greater Cincinnati community. He went to Xavier University where
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  Speaker 1: he got a quality education. He's all about school choice,
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  Speaker 1: He's all about the right things, every single top ten
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  Speaker 1: Republican issue that everyone's clamoring for. He is right there
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  Speaker 1: on board. So what's wrong with the man?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting there is not as much unity
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  Speaker 2: in the Republican Party, whether it's around Houston or around
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  Speaker 2: Ramaswami as there is in the Democrat Party. And so
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  Speaker 2: that's part of the issue. You know, the other part
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  Speaker 2: of the issue too. I think we've talked about this,
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  Speaker 2: but it's important to mention again. You know, there was
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  Speaker 2: a competitor that he had in that primary, Casey Putsch,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, you only got about twelve percent of
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  Speaker 2: the vote, but that's twelve percent of the vote. And
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  Speaker 2: what he's also done since then, as he's maintained an audience,
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  Speaker 2: this this Puitsch candidate, and many of the people I
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  Speaker 2: pay attention to what they're saying online. Lots of them say, eh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like acting, but I'm not voting for Ramaswami.
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  Speaker 2: And I think therein is the concern. These races are
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  Speaker 2: gonna come down to turnout, turnout, and you know, if
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  Speaker 2: a hefty portion, say ten percent of the Republican electorate
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  Speaker 2: decides to sit on their hands, man, that's a tough
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  Speaker 2: thing to overcome. Even if you even you know, in
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  Speaker 2: an R plus five or six state and by the way,
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  Speaker 2: what Fox wants us to believe is that Trump is
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  Speaker 2: dragging both of these candidates down. They're citing an unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: twenty point turnaround from twenty twenty four in Trump's favorability.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I believe that maybe a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But when push comes to shove, I'm curious what you think, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: when a voter goes to the polls in November, I
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  Speaker 2: have a hard time believing they're going to vote for
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  Speaker 2: the incompetence of Amy Acting over Vivek Ramaswami or stay home.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I could be wrong on that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I am hoping the same thing, and I personally
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  Speaker 1: could never imagine that, because that's not a thought that
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  Speaker 1: even enter my mind. Jack windsor We're gonna continue with
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  Speaker 1: Jack because I want to address the I don't like
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  Speaker 1: Amy Acting, but I don't like Vivi Ramaswami. Plus will
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  Speaker 1: deal a little bit more with the Trump effect, because
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  Speaker 1: that seems to have dominated that particular poll. In a
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  Speaker 1: lot of other areas that are little concerning, we can
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  Speaker 1: see some of the ones that Jack has concerns about
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  Speaker 1: as well. That's eight thirty five, right, now don't go away,
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  Speaker 1: be right back. Fifty five KRC.
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  Speaker 2: Voters KRC the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: A thirty eight fifty five KRCD talk station. Find him online,
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  Speaker 1: book Mark the site the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. You
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  Speaker 1: get the collection of articles and information so important they
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  Speaker 1: are from Jack Winsor plus the stuff Jack has taken
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  Speaker 1: care of and the Ohio Press Network staff and props
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  Speaker 1: to them sticking with the Fox poll. And you know, honestly, Jack,
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  Speaker 1: I do appreciate you're putting a little bit of sensibility
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  Speaker 1: about how we should really take it, because a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my listening audience is lust faith in faith in
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  Speaker 1: literally every poll, they don't believe any of them. So
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  Speaker 1: it's nice to get like a real clear politics average
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  Speaker 1: of all the polls. So anyhow, we're all on the
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  Speaker 1: same page on that jaundice. I have suspicion always, but
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  Speaker 1: I have to first ask you on this Trump effect
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  Speaker 1: that filtered through all these The answer to the question
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  Speaker 1: when you say something like I don't like online, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like Amy Actin, but I don't like vivig Ramaswami,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm not going to vote for him. Does anybody
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  Speaker 1: explain why they don't like Vivi Ramaswami. If they're I'm
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  Speaker 1: presuming these people are otherwise conservative or maybe little el
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  Speaker 1: libertarian guys like me.
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  Speaker 2: But why Yeah, great question. So I do want to
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  Speaker 2: point out as part of my answer to this question,
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  Speaker 2: acting support is double what Ramaswami's support is with that factor,
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  Speaker 2: meaning twice as many people, almost a full forty percent
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  Speaker 2: said they supported Acting because they didn't like Ramaswami. And
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  Speaker 2: I think Ramaswami's votes twenty one percent of them where
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  Speaker 2: I don't like Acting. So there is something there. You know,
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  Speaker 2: It's really intriguing to me. I've heard everything from look
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  Speaker 2: at how he talks. He talks just like Obama, to well,
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  Speaker 2: you know he's a billionaire, but he created this pump
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  Speaker 2: and dump scheme where he created value in a company
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  Speaker 2: or got a high IPO and then sold his shares.
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  Speaker 2: Did he really bring value to the marketplace? And it's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it. Frankly, I get tired of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of nitpicking. And I've started throwing the
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  Speaker 2: example out there of well, explain to me the difference then,
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  Speaker 2: between say a Warren Buffett and if Avike Ramaswami. Because
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  Speaker 2: we praise Warren Buffett like the greatest value investor of
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  Speaker 2: all time. But if a viake Ramaswami buys something low
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  Speaker 2: and sells it high somehow, it's a pump and dump scheme.
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  Speaker 2: It's really kind of a class warfare thing that has
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  Speaker 2: seeped into maybe the moderate wing of the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never get that. I just assume that if somebody
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  Speaker 2: has made billions of dollars, there's probably a lot of
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  Speaker 2: wisdom there and we might be able to learn something
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  Speaker 2: from them, and they might be qualified to run a
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  Speaker 2: state if they've run companies. But look, let's make no
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  Speaker 2: mistake about it. I'm going to say it again. You
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  Speaker 2: hinted at it earlier. There's just some bigotry attached to it.
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  Speaker 2: Brown skin, funny last name, not a Christian. And I
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  Speaker 2: think the left is probably going to do their level
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  Speaker 2: best to make sure that the Republican voters and the
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  Speaker 2: independents who might lean conservative really understand those points. And
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  Speaker 2: to me, that's a little bit disturbing and disgusting, but
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  Speaker 2: I think it factors in well.
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  Speaker 1: And see that's exactly why I bring it up, because
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about that quite a few times since vig Romson.
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  Speaker 1: He got the nomination even before because he is so
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  Speaker 1: impressive and so successful. He's made billions of dollars because
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  Speaker 1: he made sound business decisions. And sometimes those might run
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  Speaker 1: contrary to someone's personal belief about any given subset of
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's not right, outsource this or whatever. But the
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  Speaker 1: point is the point of being in business is to
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  Speaker 1: maximize your own personal value and hopefully, if you make it,
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  Speaker 1: make it to that level, you create jobs and opportunities
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  Speaker 1: for other people. I'm a W two employee. Thank god
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  Speaker 1: for folks like that. Jack or I would never had
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  Speaker 1: a job he's given by you.
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  Speaker 2: Would You would think people would would wake up to
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  Speaker 2: that number one. Successful people create jobs and number two.
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  Speaker 2: I used to say this all the time in a
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  Speaker 2: past life when I would coach businesses as a strategist.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I would say, show me your browsing history,
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  Speaker 2: show me your refrigerator, and show me your checkbook. I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you what you value. I don't care what you
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  Speaker 2: tell me. And that's the bottom line. Like some of
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  Speaker 2: these people are like, well he outsources or he does this? Really?
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  Speaker 2: Do you buy from Timu? Do you buy the products
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  Speaker 2: of China? Dumps On the market at the dollar store,
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  Speaker 2: and the reality is sometimes we try to accuse other
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  Speaker 2: people for the habits that we hide.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the whole racial thing really is concerning to me,
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  Speaker 1: since everybody runs around and they accuse us everyone of
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  Speaker 1: being racist. And then you know, this might add some
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  Speaker 1: fuel to the fire. Oh, you don't like vv. Ramaswam
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  Speaker 1: because the color of his skin proving what we over
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  Speaker 1: here on the left have been saying for years and years.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't translate for the left pushing for you
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  Speaker 1: to vote REVV. Ramaswam because he stands in polar opposition
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  Speaker 1: to everything that they're wanting.
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  Speaker 2: So any other.
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  Speaker 1: Statistics in that Fox poll, despite what we've got by
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  Speaker 1: way of qualifier, that jump that jumped out at you, Jack.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the eight point lead for Shared Brown over John
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  Speaker 2: Hustead was stunning. Yep. To me, I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: Shared Brown's ever been over fifty percent. The way I've
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  Speaker 2: viewed him for the past elect a few election cycles,
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  Speaker 2: his brand is known, he's a known entity, his name
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  Speaker 2: recognition is through the roof, and his favorability is usually
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  Speaker 2: a little bit negative. But it turns out his favorability
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  Speaker 2: is better than Housteed's is what the poll says, and
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  Speaker 2: that he's up eight. Now part of that is and
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  Speaker 2: you go, well, why is he up eight and why
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  Speaker 2: is Vivik only down one? Because there's crossover. There are
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  Speaker 2: people who are saying they're going to support Ramaswami but
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  Speaker 2: then gonna vote for Shared Brown. And then you go, okay,
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  Speaker 2: is that that Mahoning Valley area where sometimes Trump carries
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  Speaker 2: the vote but other people like a Shared Brown end
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  Speaker 2: up getting the vote. But what's curious about that? To me?
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  Speaker 2: I have to point this out. I don't ever envision
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  Speaker 2: somebody saying, yeah, I'm gonna vote for Vivike Ramaswami, who's
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  Speaker 2: a guy that's a billionaires, has carved his way in life,
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  Speaker 2: and then turn around and say, well, I'm gonna vote
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  Speaker 2: for Shared Brown, who's further working man and hates rich people.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Like, that's a weird combination to me. So
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  Speaker 2: something in that number is just off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I gain I got a sense that off
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  Speaker 1: feeling that you got from reading the polling number as
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  Speaker 1: well going through all of it, scratching my head. In
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  Speaker 1: a really a strong red state, one that went overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 1: in favor of Trump, and I can acknowledge Trump's support
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  Speaker 1: has been eroded a little bit. He's done some things
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  Speaker 1: that haven't been too helpful to his self and other
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  Speaker 1: Republican campaigns, but he is kind of who he is.
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  Speaker 1: But that that really would rub off what your feeling
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  Speaker 1: is about Donald Trump would run awe or rub into
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  Speaker 1: anything with regard to a state election, a state issue.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't really quite believe that, as you pointed
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  Speaker 1: out earlier, Jack can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to believe. But you know, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Iran is unpopular, yes, as we see by what the
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  Speaker 2: US House did, and let's face it, I think many
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  Speaker 2: people thought Trump's going to fix the economy right wrong
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  Speaker 2: or indifferent, And inflation is still a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: an issue. It's not where it was under Biden. But
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  Speaker 2: people pull to the gas pump and whether it's four
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  Speaker 2: dollars and ten cents or four dollars and ninety five cents,
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  Speaker 2: they go, that's a lot. And groceries are kind of high.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think that's the other part that both
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  Speaker 2: candidates are carrying. And make no mistake about it, midterm
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  Speaker 2: elections oftentimes are a referendum against the party in power
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  Speaker 2: at the White House. And so you know, the Republican
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  Speaker 2: candidates here in Ohio are carrying all of that right now,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that certainly does drag down whether it
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  Speaker 2: be their favorability or support this far out.
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  Speaker 1: Well on the gas prices. I always have to point
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  Speaker 1: this out, Jack windsor at least the gas prices might
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  Speaker 1: be up because of the closure of the straight aboard
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  Speaker 1: moves as as a result of military action that will
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  Speaker 1: stop at some point. I think we can all rest
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  Speaker 1: assured no one in the globe is going to keep
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  Speaker 1: that shut down, most notably the Iranian So someday it's
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  Speaker 1: going to flow and the gas price will go down. Accordingly,
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  Speaker 1: if you vote for the other side because of the
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  Speaker 1: current gas prices, you are voting for global warming. And
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  Speaker 1: where they say the price of gasoline will necessarily go up,
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  Speaker 1: not because of market factors, but because their legislation and
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  Speaker 1: their edicts and mandates deprive us of something that could
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  Speaker 1: otherwise be cheaper. Check out what the gas prices used
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  Speaker 1: to be. Thank you to Obama and Biden himself, right.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you know they Joe Biden sent a very clear
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  Speaker 2: signal to the oil and gas industry. If you remember
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  Speaker 2: his first week, what did he do? They stopped construction
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  Speaker 2: of the Keystone pipeline and they announced that they were
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  Speaker 2: not going to harvest oil or on a federal land.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that tells the market right there, we're not
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  Speaker 2: interested in what they call the fossil fuels. That's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what you'd go back to. And I go to your point.
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  Speaker 2: If you think it's bad, now, imagine you know, a
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  Speaker 2: pissed off Iran and having to deal with an administration
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  Speaker 2: that does not want oil and gas. They want electricity.
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  Speaker 1: Enshrined in law those policies. That is frightening Jack Windsor,
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  Speaker 1: which is to me the wake up call, the sort
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  Speaker 1: of b slap on the face to anybody who might
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  Speaker 1: cross party lines because they're angry about the price of
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  Speaker 1: the pump. More with Jack wins are going to pivot
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  Speaker 1: over Ohio's on the map, and for all the wrong reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Hey let's join Minnesota. We got fraud here. Could anything
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  Speaker 1: have been done about it? We got medicaid fraud to
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  Speaker 1: talk about with the Ohio press networks. Jack Winsor Okaway
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  Speaker 1: where you find Jack winsor and all the reporting there.
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  Speaker 1: Jack wins are pivoting back over to a really really
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  Speaker 1: dark staying on the state of Ohio our failure to
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  Speaker 1: follow up on these medicaid dollars. It seems to me
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  Speaker 1: to be we had plenty of evidence. There was like
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  Speaker 1: I will call it Shenanigans going on, Like when you
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  Speaker 1: have forty seven medicare related providers in one at one address,
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  Speaker 1: You've got envelopes that are dusty from having been sat
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  Speaker 1: outside the office doors of these places. It just seems
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  Speaker 1: to me, in terms of that one fact that someone
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  Speaker 1: should have looked into it when all of these providers
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  Speaker 1: purported providers showed up at one address. But there's so
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  Speaker 1: much more than that. Jack, Where are we on this?
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  Speaker 1: I guess we're seeing more and more prosecutions or at
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  Speaker 1: least plans to prosecute.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the heavy hitters were in town yesterday Brian
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  Speaker 2: Acting AG, Todd Blanche, FBI Director Cash Pateel, CMS Boss
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  Speaker 2: mem and Oz and then of course the statewides AG Daveost,
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  Speaker 2: Auditor Faber, Secretary of State La Rose, Treasurer Sprague, and
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  Speaker 2: they announced it a major initiative positioning Ohio as a
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  Speaker 2: national model for their anti fraud efforts and three big things,
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  Speaker 2: and then we might be able to discuss how we
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  Speaker 2: got here. But they announced indictments and charges, fourteen defendants
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  Speaker 2: being charged in schemes totally about fifty million dollars focused
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  Speaker 2: on Medicaid and healthcare fraud, home health, behavioral health, autism programs.
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  Speaker 2: There's still some COVID relief scams that they've uncovered, something
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  Speaker 2: they've called Operation Playground Therapy. Now, there were two state
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  Speaker 2: employees that were implicated. We're doing our research on that.
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  Speaker 2: My understanding is that they were with the Ohio Department
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  Speaker 2: of Job and Family Services, which is, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: apparatus that helps dole out those Medicaid dollars. So I'll
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  Speaker 2: have more on that later. They've stood up some new structures.
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  Speaker 2: There's a new fraud division, the State Partnership round Table,
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  Speaker 2: a formalized Southern District of Ohio Fraud Task Force. Now
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  Speaker 2: the data sharing agreement, this makes sense to me. Don't
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: know why we didn't do it before. Frank LeRose is
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: providing corporate registrant data to link shell companies, clinics, labs, billers,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: the whole nine yards. They suspended forty nine high risk
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: home health care providers and ongoing payment suspensions. Of course,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: regarding that prior state moratorium on new providers, that's caused
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: a little bit of backlash. I don't know if you've
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: heard any of that from your listeners, Brian, but some
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: folks are concerned that this whole health moratorium might cause
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: a say, a parent who's taking care of a child
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: with als, to not get the financial support that they
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: otherwise got. So we're we're going to be on top
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: of that today. We're looking into that. But you know,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: we probably should continue the conversation either now or at
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: some point about how the hell did we get here
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: at Ohio's a red state, and that's what the mainstream
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: press is satisfied with. They stop at, Oh, there's really
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: no fraud. Oh there's fraud. Well, Republicans were in control.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Republican problem and it's way more complex than that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Well, the shutting down the electronic verification system to make
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: sure people actually are where they say they were, and
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: getting reimbursements for the alleged services that apparently weren't being performed.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Who's the idiot who shut that off? Jack Windsor, I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: had so I crazy day yesterday.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I talked with Faber, I talked with Yost, I talked
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: with Mike de Villa, who has done God's work on
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: this at the state House as a representative. And I
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: talked to doctor Memdoz yesterday. And one of the things
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: that stood out to me was my conversation with Dave Jos.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: We talked exactly about EVV I said, how the hell
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: did that happen? And he said, you know, we uncovered
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that years ago, he said, when I was auditor. We
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: thought we fixed it. He goes, the interesting part that
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: you need to look at now is there's nobody stepping
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: forward going yeah, I decided that we were going to
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: make sure that was turned off. He said, that's not
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: what's happening. Everybody has a hand over the mouth looking
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: around so they know that it's wrong. And he goes,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I want to know who did it. I'm really not
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: happy about it. So there's that question. The other part
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: that's interesting. We have to remember is that this is
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: a federal and state program. Medicare or Medicaid. Dollars that
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: flow through Ohio sixty five percent are federal, Yeah, thirty
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: five percent or Ohio. And so when you want oversight,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: when you want prosecution, when you want to do something differently,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: you have to get a waiver at the federal level,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and then you got to make sure people at the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: state level are carrying out whatever that waiver, you know, waived.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And so the problem that nobody's really talking about other
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: than you and me is that this is a bureaucracy
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: issue more than it is a red state or blue
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: date issue. Now, the red states seem more intent on
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: fixing the loopholes and solving the problems and prosecuting the fraudsters,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: where blue states like California in New York would rather
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: prosecute the people that are uncovering the fraud than the fraudsters.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And so it's a huge bureaucratic issue that they're going
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to have to get their arms around and change.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what I'm going to say, I'm going
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to cry foul on this idea that well, we looked
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: at it and we didn't know that it had been
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: turned off or whatever. Wait a minute, the electronic verification
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: information wasn't coming in the absence of that document, and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: supporting information wasn't there. So how could you have going
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: gone along with this blind belief that the system was
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: still working as it was required by federal law.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Well, and here's the kicker to that. Faber and I
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: have talked previously. He sought more information to do deeper
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: audits and he hit a roadblock with the Department of Medicaid.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: In fact, right now, your listeners need to the state
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Representative Josh Williams has been trying to investigate the Department
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of Children in Youth. There are about one hundred, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: want to say one hundred and sixty seven instances where
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: things were flagged. He's sent a record get this a
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Lawmaker Center record request to the Department of Children in
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Youth and said I need to see those cases. They
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: won't give them to him. That's what you're up against.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: So when I look at that and I go, what
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: are we doing? You have one hand not talking to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the other where tax dollars are involved, and that's a
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: huge issue. They're going to have to solve it. Well.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: We will definitely readdress that issue down the road, Jack
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Windsor again. Next Friday, I will not be here to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: have our conversation. I'll miss it. We'll look. I will
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: look to talk to you in two weeks when I'm
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: back from my recovery and I keep I thank you
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: for all the work you're doing, Jack, And it's a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: real pleasure talking with you and breaking these issues down
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: in the morning show for my listeners and me.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Hey, I love it. It's an honor. It's a pleasure.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Always great to talk with you, Joe and the listeners.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Hey be well, okay, thanks well man, I appreciate