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No Apologies Given With 'Bar' McKinnon From UMLAUT · HEAVY Music Interviews

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Speaker 1: Now Barr McKinnon from uh from Umlaut, and we've got
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Speaker 1: an album coming out this month. I think it's the
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Speaker 1: twenty first or somewhere around there. I'm, uh yeah, we've
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Speaker 1: We're a Melbourne band that uh that's kind of like
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Speaker 1: been on again, off again for for several years and
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Speaker 1: uh yeah we have we have kind of a nice
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Speaker 1: little shiny album where we're releasing this month called des La,
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Speaker 1: which admittedly is kind of a terrible, terrible name for
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Speaker 1: an album, but I'm gonna blame that on my guitarist,
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Speaker 1: who I just decided to let me.
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Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know, we had it was the
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Speaker 2: name of one of the songs.
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Speaker 1: It's French for sorry, kind of a pathetic, pathetic thing.
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Speaker 1: But I was sort of thinking that, you know, we're
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Speaker 1: these things come up where it's like in the in
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Speaker 1: the aftermath of these of all this this kind of
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Speaker 1: shit show that's going on from my country of origin,
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Speaker 1: it sort of fits, you know. It's kind of like
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Speaker 1: this cringey thing that that Americans are sort of feeling.
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Speaker 2: We're sort of like sorry anyway, not to get too
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Speaker 2: deep into that, but it's sort of it sort of fits.
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Speaker 1: But it's but it's actually the name of a of
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Speaker 1: one of the songs that has has been in read
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Speaker 1: that I've actually renamed since to STFU, which I think
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Speaker 1: speaks for herself.
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Speaker 3: Did But she's a pleasure to have you on the show.
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Speaker 2: Thanks man.
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Speaker 3: No, no, I'm going to be be the last person
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Speaker 3: to correct anyone on anything because I fuck up all
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Speaker 3: the time. But I'm pretty sure that album death La
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Speaker 3: is coming out in twenty fifth of July from my
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Speaker 3: from my information.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds right. It was like the twenty yeah,
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Speaker 1: twenty first to twenty fifth, I wasn't sure, Like I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm so kind of out outside of this,
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Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean and again this thing has been
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Speaker 1: so kind of delayed and the long time coming like
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Speaker 1: this album that I yeah, I'm on some levels, I
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Speaker 1: don't even believe that it's going to come out. I'm
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Speaker 1: hoping that it does just because yeah, something like that.
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Speaker 3: But just the album that's so I used out to
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Speaker 3: start to live twenty fifteen day you got me into
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Speaker 3: on it, So it's been more from a musical point
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Speaker 3: of view, how about you got forward it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I guess because the band
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Speaker 1: is has been in the past very kind of like
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Speaker 1: instrumental and kind of like sort of a chamber pop
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Speaker 1: instrumental sort of affair with you know, some sung songs
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Speaker 1: thrown in there, songs with vocals. This song this album
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Speaker 1: has has is it's pretty kind of vocal heavy. I
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Speaker 1: guess in a way, it's sort of driven. It's like
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Speaker 1: it's kind of straight ahead in a lot of ways.
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Speaker 1: And I was, you know, it's funny to get these
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Speaker 1: questions like what what is different about this album?
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Speaker 2: And I'm not really.
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Speaker 1: Sure that the main difference with this album is that
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Speaker 1: it's got Danny, the legendary Danny Hygefitz on drums from
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Speaker 1: mister Bungle, you know, the the true, the true DNA
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Speaker 1: of of mister Bungle there rhythm section, and he's down
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Speaker 1: here in this town with us and has has sort
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Speaker 1: of graced us with his with his drumming on this
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Speaker 1: album and so this so we're really excited about that
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Speaker 1: people hearing that, and I think people will hear that
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Speaker 1: kind of that that mister Bungle sort of DNA and
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Speaker 1: the drums there when they.
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Speaker 2: Hear Danny doing these his thing.
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Speaker 1: It's just kind of a very straight ahead you know,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't mess around. It's not trying to
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Speaker 1: be clever, it's not trying to reinvent the wheel. And
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Speaker 1: so in some of the a lot of the songs
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Speaker 1: that came that ended up on this album were things
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Speaker 1: that we were sort of bringing into our live set
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Speaker 1: over the past couple years, just trying to I guess,
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Speaker 1: to my mind, I was thinking of like stuff that
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Speaker 1: kind of had higher energy and you know, instead of
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Speaker 1: instead of like introspective, navel gazing kind of instrumental stuff,
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Speaker 1: which you know, a lot of a lot of the
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Speaker 1: semi recent kind of UMLA stuff has sort of been that.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I guess so if I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at it in a really black and white way,
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Speaker 1: I could go like, yeah, we got I was thinking,
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Speaker 1: you know, I sort of hear my my my thoughts
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Speaker 1: saying things like, you know, we got tired of boring
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Speaker 1: people with chamber pop, you know, and when they're out
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Speaker 1: there just wanting to have a good time at the
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Speaker 1: pub or the or the or the venue or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and then we're just we're sort of like delivering on.
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Speaker 2: That in a way, and it's just having fun.
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Speaker 1: I think it's like some of these songs are really
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Speaker 1: kind of pop rock heavy, and then that sounds kind
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Speaker 1: of gross to just put it in that category, but
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Speaker 1: that's just me sort of trying to be honest with it.
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Speaker 1: And and there's also but there's something really funny insofar
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Speaker 1: as like me doing vocals, like, you know, in a
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Speaker 1: front man kind of role, like in front of Danny,
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Speaker 1: who I've never you know, I've never really.
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Speaker 2: Kind of done that.
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Speaker 1: And it was like it's funny because the first time
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Speaker 1: we had him playing with us, I was it was
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Speaker 1: really cringey where I was just like going like, oh man,
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Speaker 1: this is so embarrassing, Like Danny, you know, has to
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Speaker 1: listen to me my singing my heart out, you know
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Speaker 1: and kind of belting these songs out, you know, as
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Speaker 1: best I could.
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Speaker 2: And it was just like it was as it.
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Speaker 1: Was just kind of like a moment that I had
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Speaker 1: at some point where I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: this is so embarrassing, Like Danny's Danny said, you know,
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Speaker 1: doing his Danny thing with the straight face kind of
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Speaker 1: not giving anything away what he's thinking about it or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and he's very forgiving and very he's very Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: was just it was just kind of one of those
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Speaker 1: moments where it's just like, you know, I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: think of like what is an what is a sort
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Speaker 1: of an analog of that would be sort of like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just like somebody knows you doing
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Speaker 1: a certain thing, whether it's just just me sort of
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Speaker 1: playing saxophone or whatever with with mister Bungler or or
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Speaker 1: even Secret Chiefs back in the day, and then then
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Speaker 1: suddenly am just like, you know, just getting on a microphone.
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Speaker 1: It's just like it just and I got over it
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Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And I also like to steer the awkwardness
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Speaker 1: to a point too, you know, so it's like I
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Speaker 1: don't really care, and yeah, I'm just sort of That's
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Speaker 1: a good thing about being in your fifties.
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Speaker 2: You stop giving a ship about this kind of stuff
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Speaker 2: and you just do it. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've relates the singles STF You Unhappy Now like
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Speaker 3: this Tights. I'd normally ask if I are Sonny preference types
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Speaker 3: to the album bit with your music, could it be
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Speaker 3: fucking impossible to release song with Sonny preference and ties
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Speaker 3: to the album?
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Speaker 4: Well no, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Very sweet of you, but I think also, but I
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Speaker 1: think they are kind of like a representation of what
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Speaker 1: people are kind of getting. I would have I would
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Speaker 1: not have probably released STFU this this early because it's
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a serious song and or kind
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Speaker 1: of a bummer or so, I don't know, it just
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Speaker 1: it's it's weird, like when I that song, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you've heard it yet or anything, but like
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Speaker 1: like something like the Alan Parsons project, like All by Myself,
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Speaker 1: like something like that is such an epic song, but
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Speaker 1: it's just very very kind of slow and am kind
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Speaker 1: of like radio just depression, you know, just like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, this is so depressing as beautiful as it is.
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Speaker 2: So that's kind of what.
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Speaker 1: What we were going for, or I was going for
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Speaker 1: with that with STFU. But you cause, because again it's
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Speaker 1: with all these things when you like releasing singles, and
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Speaker 1: even like Bite your Tongue was released I don't know,
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago or something, and then every
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Speaker 1: Time was released last year or something like that, or
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Speaker 1: or or maybe two I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I've probably got the years mixed up.
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Speaker 1: But it's like Bite Your Tongue would have been a
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Speaker 1: good leadoff single if it was just like to kick
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Speaker 1: kick the door open and go like here we go,
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Speaker 1: here we come, Da da da.
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Speaker 2: And it's got a lot of energy.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty catchy, and you know, it's sort of the
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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a good first thing out of
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Speaker 1: the gate. So again, I don't really understand the whole
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Speaker 1: strategy with these things of releasing things. And then I
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Speaker 1: always feel like why are we doing this? I feel
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Speaker 1: like just I'd rather just release them all at once
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Speaker 1: so people can get it, can get it in one,
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Speaker 1: you know, But I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's it's who's to say.
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Speaker 1: It's like, uh, I I've not been doing music to
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Speaker 1: get rich or anything, and or if I have, I'm
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's an other failure.
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Speaker 3: The first thing you'd buy is a light shight, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm saving up for a light. Shit. No,
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Speaker 2: it's it's funny. So it's like, uh, yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I don't I.
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Speaker 1: Can't claim to understand like any good strategies of marketing
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Speaker 1: or this or that. You know, I could say like,
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, this, this one's pretty catchy. Maybe this or
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just and plus I'm not going
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Speaker 1: back really and looking at analytics or comments or any
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Speaker 1: of these kinds of things ever, so so.
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Speaker 2: I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just sort of just trusting other people
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Speaker 1: to go like, you know, Okay, here's this song that
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Speaker 1: off we go. But uh yeah, I think was was
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Speaker 1: commenting about the STFU and some of the some of
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Speaker 1: the people's like response or whatever to it that he
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Speaker 1: was sort of I don't know if he was underwhelmed
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Speaker 1: or or just kind of like the and I'm going like, man,
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Speaker 1: I I can't let that stuff in.
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Speaker 2: I'm like the good or the bad. It's just like
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Speaker 2: it's because it's you know, it's all wrong.
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Speaker 1: It's it's not all wrong, but it's like it's it's correct,
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Speaker 1: but I don't I don't relevant.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of that thing.
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Speaker 1: It's like, uh, you know, it's a it's a bit
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Speaker 1: of a funny thing, even even doing these interviews where
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Speaker 1: where you know, yeah, it's just kind of like because
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Speaker 1: people decide what they what they think or how they
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Speaker 1: feel about a thing, and they're correct and the way
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Speaker 1: they how whether if they don't if they if they
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Speaker 1: respond to it or not, or they're like yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is trash or it's brilliant, it's it's it's up, it's
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Speaker 1: up to who, you know what the listener, uh feels
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Speaker 1: with with the thing.
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Speaker 2: So once, once you've made a thing, it's just it's
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Speaker 2: out of your hands. You know.
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like dropping your kid off on there
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Speaker 1: the first day of school or something. You don't you
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Speaker 1: want to give I'm the best shot, and you want
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Speaker 1: to you want to hope that they have, you know,
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Speaker 1: some kind of sense of self escheme or something, but
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Speaker 1: you're not going to.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: There's plenty of times I've done stuff and I'm like, ah,
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Speaker 1: this isn't my best stuff, or this is kind of weak,
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Speaker 1: or this the next thing is going to be better
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Speaker 1: or this or that, and you know, it just it's
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Speaker 1: it's not for me to say, really.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're getting laugh out of this, bro, because I
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Speaker 3: honestly I've never heard of you of music before this interview.
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Speaker 2: But I'll put on the album.
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Speaker 3: I'll put on the album first, have to listen because
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Speaker 3: that's what I do. And I have my headphones on
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Speaker 3: because the kids are here, and I'm getting through about
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Speaker 3: the first couple of songs and I've messaged my mate
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Speaker 3: who's writing to you guys, and I'm gone, pretty weird
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Speaker 3: this stuff, isn't it? And He's gone, yeah, man, it's
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Speaker 3: both to be weird. I'm like right here, and I
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Speaker 3: kept going with it, and then I've took the earphones
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Speaker 3: out for some reason and it sounded great. It's like
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Speaker 3: there's a little slight glitch in the earphones that I
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Speaker 3: didn't realize it was there, and it was like, take
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Speaker 3: a little bit stuttery and a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Oh shit, And that's what I was thinking, is a
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Speaker 2: weird parts of it.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is supposed to be like that, and
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Speaker 3: I expect they have often.
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Speaker 2: It's like, that's funny. So you thought you thought that was.
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Speaker 3: Music because I've never heard it before. I thought that
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Speaker 3: would actually be the way because I know a little
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Speaker 3: pace out, but it was.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's funny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know you, I know what you're talking about,
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Speaker 1: like that thing with like the jack of the thing.
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Speaker 2: And then and then it's sort of it's like it
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Speaker 2: sounds yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's well, you know, it's funny because and then also
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Speaker 1: with you know, having been associated with or being associated
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Speaker 1: with mister Bungle, it's like people are sort of kind
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Speaker 1: of can sort of be expecting anything.
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Speaker 2: I think on some.
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Speaker 1: Lovel especially you know, after what sort of disco Volante
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Speaker 1: and things were like that, we're just like going like
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Speaker 1: what the hell? And then it's just like and then
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Speaker 1: you realize like, oh, this is intentional kind of messing
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Speaker 1: with the with the listener or confounding expectations.
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Speaker 2: So that's that's funny. And it sounds like.
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Speaker 1: You know, you were probably like, ah, this is this
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Speaker 1: is this would be what what these some some guys
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Speaker 1: from this kind of like I was.
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Speaker 3: Thinking, I'm thinking that it's a little bit weird and
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I like it or not. And
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Speaker 3: that is what made about it. When I got it,
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Speaker 3: When I got a properly, it was really fucking good.
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Speaker 5: Cool.
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Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks, So yeah, I know it's not it's not
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Speaker 1: gonna be everybody's cup of tea. And then on some level,
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Speaker 1: like I'll just say it really quickly and maybe I've
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Speaker 1: said this before, and so I apologize. People have to
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Speaker 1: listen to me and repeat my stories like I'm like
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Speaker 1: a broken record. But it's like I have friends at work,
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we'll be we'll be working and then
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Speaker 1: they'll you know, they'll they'll look at me and then
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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's like and then and then or
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Speaker 1: I had this this one co worker and he's like,
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Speaker 1: he's like, all you have to do is just write
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Speaker 1: a hit song. Just write a hit song, and it's
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Speaker 1: all good. You're just good to go. And I'm like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's it.
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Speaker 2: You just write a hit song.
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Speaker 5: And so.
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Speaker 1: But but with a couple of these on this album,
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Speaker 1: I sort of thought like, yeah, we'll just we'll just
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Speaker 1: kind of like and it not that I'm I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: going into it thinking that. I'm thinking it's more like
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Speaker 1: a kind of an afterthought where I'm going like, oh
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Speaker 1: this this actually sounds like a hit song, or there's
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Speaker 1: something that could be in it in an alternate universe
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Speaker 1: or something. So you know, it's kind of fun to
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Speaker 1: just steer directly towards that. I just kind of just
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Speaker 1: see what can come out, you know. But whether or
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Speaker 1: not it's it's the full you know, it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: the thing that we go towards on a on a
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Speaker 1: on a full time basis. I kind of doubt, but uh,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, We'll see how we go
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Speaker 1: but you know, it's but it's kind of funny because
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Speaker 1: like knowing like what you're what a little bit of
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Speaker 1: your what I'm looking at heavy, you know, and kind
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Speaker 1: of like are you sort of.
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Speaker 2: A metal kind of like yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So it's just like I realized, like on some level
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Speaker 1: of people will be like, yeah, this is you know,
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Speaker 1: this isn't metal, So what are we bothering?
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Speaker 2: Are wasting our time here for something?
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Speaker 1: Even though I do appreciate metal, you know, and it's
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Speaker 1: and and probably more a fan of it than some
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Speaker 1: other people in the band, you know, not my bass
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Speaker 1: player probably, but uh yeah, So it's just kind of
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Speaker 1: funny and like I'm constantly trying to get Angus to
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Speaker 1: kind of like smash that distortion pedal or.
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Speaker 2: Whatever, you know, and then he's he's just like I
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Speaker 2: don't know.
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Speaker 1: He's going for some other sounds sometimes, but uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's uh.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess on some of them.
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Speaker 1: I'm aware that like it's not going to be for everybody,
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Speaker 1: this particular thing, but it does it does kind of
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Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff in there that could maybe
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Speaker 1: appeal to people, But I don't know, shit, I don't
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Speaker 1: have any illusions that it's gonna it's gonna do do
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Speaker 1: great things or anything necessarily. I'm I'm kind of meat,
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Speaker 1: you know, what is the word cautiously optimistic, But you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just lucky to be able to still
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Speaker 1: do it or have the be able to body it
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Speaker 1: enough to sort of do this still.
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Speaker 2: So that's on it goes, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, we'll put it this way, bro, Like, now
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go. I want to go back and
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Speaker 3: listen to it again after I've spoken You're like, now
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Speaker 3: I've got to know you a little bit more and
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Speaker 3: I know a bit more of particularly, I want to
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Speaker 3: listen to it again. I enjoyed it the first time,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, cool, different experience. I think, listen to it
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Speaker 3: again when you know about the band. So I'm looking
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Speaker 3: forward to that. So yeah, awesome that for me and
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Speaker 3: I'm a metal episodes, You've done something right.
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Speaker 2: Good idea.
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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned Daddy coming back into the band, bro, Like,
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Speaker 3: you haven't actually been with him since Californication Misterbong in
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Speaker 3: two thousand. So what was it like getting back together
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Speaker 3: again creatively? Like you just slip straight back into a groove.
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Speaker 3: What did you have to work on that after so long.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny because I've I've Danny has
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Speaker 1: lived here almost as long as I have, not in Melbourne,
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Speaker 1: but i mean, like you know, in Australia, and uh,
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Speaker 1: I could have used him, you know, I could have
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Speaker 1: used him a long time ago as far as getting
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Speaker 1: involved in music, just just even if just doing it
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Speaker 1: by correspondence. But I don't know, I've kind of wanted
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Speaker 1: to leave him alone and just kind of let him,
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Speaker 1: let him do what he's doing in his own life,
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Speaker 1: you know, up there. And then by the time he
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Speaker 1: got down here, it was it just became this kind
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Speaker 1: of like he's so good, you know, and he's he's
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Speaker 1: he really is my like one of my all time
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Speaker 1: favorite drummers. And then I and it's just it's just
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Speaker 1: kind of this thing where you get to play with
15:32
Speaker 1: the guy and he's he's so good and he makes
15:34
Speaker 1: the music feel so good that it just becomes a
15:37
Speaker 1: no brainer where you're like, yeah, we got to do this, man,
15:39
Speaker 1: We've got to just get him in here and get
15:41
Speaker 1: him get him on these recordings because he's he's a
15:43
Speaker 1: very thoughtful musician and he uh, you know, he loves
15:46
Speaker 1: to get in the arranging side of things, and he
15:48
Speaker 1: makes the music definitely less boring and less predictable in
15:52
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And it's just he's got such
15:54
Speaker 1: a great feel. But you know, I I haven't dealt
15:58
Speaker 1: I haven't really worked with Dan insofar as like as
16:01
Speaker 1: a band leader in a band leader kind of like
16:03
Speaker 1: role to where I'm like telling him what to do
16:06
Speaker 1: or how to do a thing or or whatever.
16:08
Speaker 2: So but it is, it is. It is just like
16:11
Speaker 2: coming home in a lot of ways.
16:12
Speaker 1: And it's it's just, you know, he has such a
16:14
Speaker 1: great feel that it's just it was it was really easy,
16:17
Speaker 1: and he made all the music that much easier. And
16:19
Speaker 1: he's his attention to detail and his and his uh
16:22
Speaker 1: you know, his thoughtful kind of like choices. It's just like, yeah,
16:26
Speaker 1: it's just it's not like you're dealing with somebody that
16:29
Speaker 1: you don't some younger musicians that you don't really know
16:31
Speaker 1: or whatever.
16:31
Speaker 2: It's like he just he kind of gets it very quickly.
16:34
Speaker 1: And he's he's also one of these guys that that
16:36
Speaker 1: saves his energy for like the live performances where you're
16:40
Speaker 1: just sometimes you might be like, man, I you know,
16:42
Speaker 1: I easy to hate it harder or this or that,
16:44
Speaker 1: and then by the time you get to the gig,
16:46
Speaker 1: he's smashing the shit out of it and just going
16:47
Speaker 1: for gold. And you're just like this, he's like one
16:49
Speaker 1: of these he's like a base like a pro baseball
16:51
Speaker 1: player that just like slacks off in the practice where
16:53
Speaker 1: you're like, shit, I hope he comes through for us
16:55
Speaker 1: in the game.
16:56
Speaker 2: And then he does. You know, You're just like, yeah,
16:58
Speaker 2: this guy like he knows what tell like turn it.
17:01
Speaker 1: On and and uh so it's yeah, it's been like
17:04
Speaker 1: a real homecoming kind of feeling with this with this guy.
17:06
Speaker 1: And I, you know, we we we're not like it's
17:10
Speaker 1: not lost on us, how how lucky we are to
17:12
Speaker 1: kind of have this guy, uh playing with us right now.
17:15
Speaker 2: So I'm but he's also like a cat.
17:17
Speaker 4: You know.
17:17
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to scare him away,
17:19
Speaker 2: and I.
17:20
Speaker 1: Don't want you got nine chances, yes see, I hadn't
17:25
Speaker 1: thought of that.
17:26
Speaker 2: But it's like there's a thing where I don't want to.
17:29
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
17:30
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for him that I kind
17:32
Speaker 1: of like, I kind of you know, I don't come
17:34
Speaker 1: I don't come into too too hot with him, I
17:38
Speaker 1: kind of try to kind of ease into things, and
17:40
Speaker 1: I try to to gently kind of like uh, you know,
17:43
Speaker 1: persuade him and maneuver maneuver him that way.
17:46
Speaker 2: But so far, so good, especially now with him in
17:50
Speaker 2: the band.
17:50
Speaker 3: Like you consider like unlock an extension or the next
17:55
Speaker 3: chapter of Mister Bunkle or I I'm based completely well.
17:59
Speaker 1: It is it's own beasts in a lot of ways,
18:02
Speaker 1: but but absolutely any of the songs that you hear
18:05
Speaker 1: Umlah playing like in my perfect world, I would I
18:08
Speaker 1: would you know, steer them over towards the Bungle world
18:11
Speaker 1: and then and have the have them go through that
18:14
Speaker 1: sort of like you know, uh that channel. So and
18:19
Speaker 1: it's funny and I've had I've had a few people
18:21
Speaker 1: tell me that, oh, this actually sounds more like what
18:24
Speaker 1: you know Bungle left off kind of doing with California
18:26
Speaker 1: and these kinds of things. Then then you know the
18:30
Speaker 1: the Bunny Bungle that that it comes out and does
18:33
Speaker 1: the thrash, the thrash metal of raging wrath kind of thing, so.
18:36
Speaker 2: That like you know, and so it's an interesting thing.
18:38
Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure if it's like if there's like
18:40
Speaker 1: this this subconscious thing of me trying to to do
18:43
Speaker 1: music that that, you know, in the kind of bunk
18:45
Speaker 1: mister bungle sort of way, which I don't really think
18:47
Speaker 1: is the case, but I I've been definitely influenced by
18:50
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, those those were those I was
18:53
Speaker 1: always like pinching myself when I was with that, you know,
18:56
Speaker 1: with that outfit, going like, this is the most talented
18:59
Speaker 1: music like now musicians I've ever you know, played with.
19:02
Speaker 2: And then Mike Patton, you know, it's just like it's
19:05
Speaker 2: just like, you know, that voice, Like I remember one time.
19:08
Speaker 1: I remember one time during the Disco Volante era, he
19:11
Speaker 1: walked into a room and just said my name and
19:14
Speaker 1: then I nearly any but he said it with that
19:16
Speaker 1: without like a bear and it was just like kin
19:17
Speaker 1: of like and of course that doesn't really convey the power,
19:21
Speaker 1: but it was like literally just like made me fall up.
19:23
Speaker 2: Out of my seat because he had such such power
19:26
Speaker 2: with that voice. I think, yeah, in.
19:29
Speaker 1: A lot of ways, Well, in some ways, I'm kind
19:33
Speaker 1: of trying. I'm trying to do stuff that I wish
19:36
Speaker 1: that band we're sort.
19:38
Speaker 2: Of we're doing right now with with Umlah.
19:40
Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of like or the things that,
19:43
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I I it's maybe that
19:45
Speaker 1: conveys the whole idea there. But yeah, even that very
19:49
Speaker 1: first Dumla album back in two thousand and nine, I
19:53
Speaker 1: think it was I was like, you know, in a
19:55
Speaker 1: perfect world with everything going just the way I want
19:59
Speaker 1: it U or would hope for it, would like those
20:02
Speaker 1: would have been on a neck on that next you know,
20:04
Speaker 1: Mister Bungle proper sort of album, some of my some
20:08
Speaker 1: of my better ideas off of that first Umlaut thing.
20:11
Speaker 1: So so yeah, my heart is still is you know,
20:14
Speaker 1: it's still kind of like trying to create things that
20:17
Speaker 1: they would might be worthy of, like the Mister Bungle world.
20:21
Speaker 1: But you know, until I can kind of really you know,
20:26
Speaker 1: manipulate or persuade that thing to happen, I'm I'm we're
20:28
Speaker 1: doing it in umeloud.
20:32
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I like it mixes jazz as pop.
20:35
Speaker 3: This is I've ont gotten metal. There's electronics. Basically whatever
20:38
Speaker 3: the fuck you feel like doing all the time doesn't
20:40
Speaker 3: do amusing. But how hard doesn't he get any form
20:43
Speaker 3: of balance at all in the creative process with so
20:45
Speaker 3: much going on?
20:47
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess it's it's it's uh, well,
20:50
Speaker 1: we've got Angus, the guitarist is a very as a
20:53
Speaker 1: very strong kind of like production kind of like sense,
20:57
Speaker 1: and so.
20:57
Speaker 2: You know, and also we're always I'm with my music
21:00
Speaker 2: or with.
21:00
Speaker 1: My songwriting and whatever, or certainly with the books and whatever.
21:04
Speaker 1: I always say I'm always crapping onto Angus, whether it's
21:06
Speaker 1: the mix or the whatever. I'm always saying, like addition
21:09
Speaker 1: by subtraction, and you know, he's so it's like the
21:13
Speaker 1: idea of whatever doesn't work, just get the fuck out
21:16
Speaker 1: of there. It's like and letting the music breathe, like
21:19
Speaker 1: I never I think I still struggle sometimes to let
21:22
Speaker 1: the music breathe or kind of like let some space
21:24
Speaker 1: happen in there where it's not just trying to do
21:26
Speaker 1: some lick at the end of a phrase or a
21:27
Speaker 1: fill at the end of a phrase or whatever. It's
21:29
Speaker 1: just kind of like letting making it more sort of
21:32
Speaker 1: minimalistic on some levels.
21:35
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like because because in a lot
21:37
Speaker 2: of ways.
21:38
Speaker 1: This this I don't really feel like this, this album
21:40
Speaker 1: is too much of a stretch, like genre wise, I
21:43
Speaker 1: think it's not.
21:44
Speaker 2: It doesn't it kind of it kind of shifts gears
21:45
Speaker 2: a little bit, but you know, not too much.
21:49
Speaker 1: It's not too much kind of, it's not The songs
21:51
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily as schizophrenic as other things that we've done
21:53
Speaker 1: in the past, maybe on some levels where it's just like,
21:56
Speaker 1: you know, a hard left turn and then the listener's
21:59
Speaker 1: just like wait what you know, what was I just
22:00
Speaker 1: listening to? It's like these are kind of more more
22:03
Speaker 1: just like unapologetic, straight down the middle, like Okay, here's this,
22:07
Speaker 1: here's this kind of rock sort of song happening, and
22:10
Speaker 1: maybe there'll be some nice little elements thrown in there.
22:14
Speaker 2: How hard is it? I don't know.
22:15
Speaker 1: I guess like, yeah, it's not really that hard, because
22:19
Speaker 1: we do have we do sort of. It's it's it's
22:22
Speaker 1: definitely a democratic kind of situation where it's like if
22:24
Speaker 1: something isn't working, people will speak up. They're not just
22:28
Speaker 1: like I'm not They're not just sort of listening to
22:29
Speaker 1: me as a dictator and going like, now this is
22:31
Speaker 1: this is what he wrote, this is what he wants,
22:33
Speaker 1: so this is what this.
22:34
Speaker 2: Is how it has to be.
22:35
Speaker 1: It's like if something doesn't seem to work, and we
22:38
Speaker 1: sniff it out pretty quickly and then we sort of
22:40
Speaker 1: tamp it down, or change a thing, or do a
22:42
Speaker 1: different thing, or even just throw a thing away. Like
22:44
Speaker 1: you know, there's been times that we've been doing songs
22:46
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, this is way, this is is
22:48
Speaker 1: interesting to us to play it. But you know, sometimes
22:51
Speaker 1: I have that criticism with something like jazz or something,
22:54
Speaker 1: which is you know, I always wish that I could
22:56
Speaker 1: I could have the facility or the the sophistication or
22:59
Speaker 1: whatever or to play that kind of stuff. But also
23:02
Speaker 1: I kind of can't stand listening to to most of it.
23:05
Speaker 2: You know.
23:05
Speaker 1: It's like except for like some of the classic stuff,
23:07
Speaker 1: you know, you know, so it's like this whole thing
23:10
Speaker 1: of it's yeah, there's there's there's definitely sometimes when we
23:14
Speaker 1: delve into stuff that is like it's it's funner to
23:17
Speaker 1: do than it is to listen to.
23:19
Speaker 2: And that's that.
23:20
Speaker 1: And if you if we kind of come to that
23:22
Speaker 1: realization around it, then we're like, yeah, maybe this isn't
23:24
Speaker 1: the best thing. It's like, this is really fun to do,
23:27
Speaker 1: but this is like the audience might be sitting there
23:29
Speaker 1: going like all right, okay, okay, uh, waiting for it
23:32
Speaker 1: to get to change or to do a different thing
23:35
Speaker 1: or whatever. It might be so so it's without being
23:38
Speaker 1: too much kind of like pandering to an audience kind
23:41
Speaker 1: of thing. It's like we're just trying to to to really,
23:45
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's, uh, yeah, We're We're just
23:49
Speaker 1: we're just doing the best we can with what we've got,
23:50
Speaker 1: and and and some of these songs, it's just like
23:54
Speaker 1: I'm sort of I'm on some levels, I'm trying to.
23:56
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm I'm.
23:58
Speaker 1: Getting a bit of fun out of like tricky Danny
24:00
Speaker 1: into playing some of these things that he might not
24:02
Speaker 1: or something he might be like, this is so cringey,
24:04
Speaker 1: Like I you know, I'd rather not do this, but
24:06
Speaker 1: I'm like it's kind of fun to kind of have
24:07
Speaker 1: Danny turn Danny into like a pop pop musician on
24:11
Speaker 1: some level where you know, or to play a straight
24:13
Speaker 1: thing or a consistent thing for longer than he you know.
24:17
Speaker 1: But but Stuff's change is definitely live. It's like he's
24:20
Speaker 1: always messing with stuff, and he's always he's always kind
24:22
Speaker 1: of like.
24:24
Speaker 2: Going along with it but still toying with us a
24:26
Speaker 2: little bit, you know.
24:27
Speaker 1: And and that's what's great about him is that, you know,
24:29
Speaker 1: this is just if you've ever seen him play drums,
24:32
Speaker 1: you know, live. It's like he's putting on his an
24:35
Speaker 1: entire show, just in in in the way he's he's
24:38
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing back there, and you like you
24:40
Speaker 1: might be like, oh, he's not doing anything, and then
24:42
Speaker 1: you you've actually missed something you can do. Whether he's
24:45
Speaker 1: like change is a simple like mid song or some
24:47
Speaker 1: kind of thing, or like it's just doing some kind
24:49
Speaker 1: of crazy, it's just it's always entertaining and always like
24:52
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's always just yeah, man, he's like, I
24:57
Speaker 1: don't know, it's funny. He's he keeps us, he keeps
25:00
Speaker 1: us endlessly entertained and.
25:04
Speaker 2: So but yeah, but this this this definitely feels like
25:06
Speaker 2: a very an accessible album. I feel like, you know,
25:09
Speaker 2: it's like if somebody was like if this was.
25:12
Speaker 1: Their their first kind of dipping the toe into like
25:14
Speaker 1: listening to this band, if they're aware of it or
25:17
Speaker 1: they care, I think it's a pretty it's a pretty
25:20
Speaker 1: welcoming thing. And it's like, you know, for people that
25:23
Speaker 1: just like music to be played and not kind of
25:26
Speaker 1: like be trying to be too clever, kind of messing
25:28
Speaker 1: around with them too much and and toying with the
25:31
Speaker 1: listener and challenging the listener. It's it's it's not really
25:34
Speaker 1: doing that. It's kind of just like just doing like
25:38
Speaker 1: fat kind of like chunky, you know, Like I don't know.
25:43
Speaker 1: To me, I feel like it's very satisfying kind of
25:45
Speaker 1: music to play and listen to, you know, on some levels.
25:49
Speaker 1: So I don't know what, but we're we're we're really
25:51
Speaker 1: excited for people to hear the whole album, you know,
25:53
Speaker 1: all in it, in its entirety, you know, rather than
25:57
Speaker 1: just like these single, these little single things of just like, man,
26:00
Speaker 1: you're killing me with these singles.
26:04
Speaker 2: I want to hear just the album. I want to
26:05
Speaker 2: like get into it, and I'm doing that, yeah, like live.
26:09
Speaker 1: That album experience and then and then set it aside
26:12
Speaker 1: and then make it make it a judgment on the
26:14
Speaker 1: thing as a whole, you know, instead of just these
26:16
Speaker 1: kind of.
26:16
Speaker 2: Like hey, you want to you want to? Yeah, how
26:19
Speaker 2: do you like me wearing these shoes? Okay? How do
26:21
Speaker 2: you like me wearing this shirt? And then it is
26:23
Speaker 2: it's just like going, like what are we doing? Can
26:24
Speaker 2: we just like yeah? But that's that's what it's. That's
26:28
Speaker 2: what these streaming things do.
26:30
Speaker 4: Now.
26:30
Speaker 1: It's like they just give you a little taste or
26:33
Speaker 1: a little teaser, and then it's like, yeah, in a
26:36
Speaker 1: perfect world, I wouldn't have released bite your Tongue or
26:38
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, you know, I would have been like
26:40
Speaker 1: I would have loved people just hear that on an album,
26:42
Speaker 1: just go holy shit, you know, like this is cool
26:44
Speaker 1: or whatever or this is crap or you know, please don't.
26:48
Speaker 2: Ever do music again. I don't know, I'll be like, Okay,
26:52
Speaker 2: I'll take that on. I'll take it that under consideration.
26:54
Speaker 2: Under consideration, well, I would.
26:56
Speaker 3: Say maybe in the first time I'm spokeing with you
26:58
Speaker 3: and listening to music, do you keep music? Seeing music?
27:00
Speaker 4: Do you keep doing again?
27:01
Speaker 3: Because very enjoyable album Roman. It will be available for
27:05
Speaker 3: the world on twenty fifth of July. It's called Desola
27:08
Speaker 3: And I can't recommend the people that know the band
27:10
Speaker 3: because I don't either, but I liked it so banks
27:13
Speaker 3: so much.
27:13
Speaker 6: Man, Oh you the world worry now we love speed it.
27:47
Speaker 5: Are you're the world?
27:51
Speaker 4: Now? It doesn't mean I you the word now, we're
28:00
Speaker 4: fuck it.
28:03
Speaker 6: I you the way?
28:07
Speaker 4: No, don't they need dad got.
28:39
Speaker 5: Loosen who? I don't know the other man.
29:26
Speaker 4: Now walk? I don't other way now it's done.
29:38
Speaker 2: I don't.
29:42
Speaker 4: Now. It's as.
29:46
Speaker 2: I do.
29:50
Speaker 4: Now. It doesn't mean
30:10
Speaker 6: Sp