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Ottavino blasts Mets, Seager trade rumors fake? Shota QO shocks Cubs? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Slash hates the Cubbies. So this will be like a
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Speaker 1: very neutral conversation.
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Speaker 2: It might it might kick off something even better. You
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Speaker 1: yes or no, or an I do or and I
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Speaker 1: don't that you don't care, respectfully if the Cubs finish
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Speaker 1: in first or last next year. This is a national show.
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Speaker 1: Can I get an I do or a yes from Krats?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Okay, Todd, Yes, I do same here. Yes, let's charge
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Speaker 1: let's charge out, all right, So what do we have here,
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Speaker 1: Let's size up the Cubs off season. Let's give him
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Speaker 1: some love right now and see what they need to do.
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Speaker 1: Kratz is making a face because he probably saw the
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Speaker 1: tweet that's going to kick off the conversation. George Offfman,
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Speaker 1: who does some radio work and a bunch of other
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Speaker 1: things out in Chicago, puts this tweet out there, told
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Speaker 1: that the Cubs were stunned in Managa accepted the qualifying
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Speaker 1: offer they expected to get. A draft pick hampers their
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Speaker 1: off season spending plans. We can show the next one too.
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Speaker 1: The Cubs currently have around one hundred and ninety million
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Speaker 1: in payroll. The tax threshold which many serve I'm going
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Speaker 1: to add this part. Many use this as their de
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Speaker 1: facto salary cap is two forty four mil. Affman says
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Speaker 1: the Cubs don't want to exceed it. They think that's
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Speaker 1: enough for a top free agent pitcher, a hitter, bullpen,
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Speaker 1: help arbitration cases, and perhaps paying Pete ker Armstrong on
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Speaker 1: an extension. You'll need money at the trade deadline. Creative
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Speaker 1: trade Sandy el Contra question Mark crats your.
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Speaker 3: Thoughts, what's the big deal?
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Speaker 4: They got a starter that had a below a four ERA,
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Speaker 4: he came back from an injury, didn't wasn't as good,
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Speaker 4: Like they have a one year starter who wasn't All
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Speaker 4: Star two years ago. Like, I don't see what the
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Speaker 4: big deal is, And don't get me started on the
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Speaker 4: payroll stuff like the salary cap at two hundred and
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Speaker 4: forty four million. For the Cubs to be hitting that,
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Speaker 4: if you're mad as a if you're mad as a
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Speaker 4: front office that you offered somebody twenty two million dollars
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Speaker 4: and they accepted it. You need to only be mad
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Speaker 4: at one person. And there's stun that he accepted it.
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Speaker 4: There's stun that he accepted twenty two million dollars when
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Speaker 4: next year you could just go back for another one
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Speaker 4: year deal after that and not make not make near
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Speaker 4: twenty two million. I just I have a hard time
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Speaker 4: believing that this organization truly wants to win if these
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Speaker 4: comments are true.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with you, yeah, wholeheartedly. It's why
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Speaker 2: it's a qualifying offer. It's decided by a player, and
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're gonna be mad at that player,
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Speaker 2: especially a pretty good left handed pitcher that I think
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Speaker 2: most teams would want on their squad. I would go
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Speaker 2: on the opposite side and say, the other teams are
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Speaker 2: a little upset if you want the truth, you know,
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Speaker 2: he did have a little injury. But at the same token,
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Speaker 2: this guy is a pretty good lefty. When he's on
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Speaker 2: and that change up and everything's working, he's a dominant
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Speaker 2: pitcher and he's pretty good. He's not going to overpower you,
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Speaker 2: as we already know. But yeah, there, I mean, why
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Speaker 2: are you going to start a relationship off like that
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Speaker 2: or start the new year for baseball terms off, Man,
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Speaker 2: we're pretty upset that he took the offer. What's going
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Speaker 2: on here? Don't people want to win? That's where I
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Speaker 2: get confused.
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Speaker 1: And I'm actually pretty sure that with a qualifying offer,
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Speaker 1: you can't trade the player right off the jump. There's
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Speaker 1: a deadline that's built in there. I believe that it's
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Speaker 1: June where you can't trade the player until a certain date.
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Speaker 1: I learned that recently, and maybe I saw bad info,
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Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I'm right on that. Let me
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Speaker 1: add to the table here. First off, Crats, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to disagree with you. I think the Cubs do want
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Speaker 1: to compete and contend in all of that. Right, this
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Speaker 1: isn't a bottom of the barrel payroll. I think what
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Speaker 1: you mean is their revenue to their payroll is not
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Speaker 1: commeasure it. Right. It's probably a top five team in
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Speaker 1: terms of how much they pull in. They operate more
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Speaker 1: in the mid market range in terms of what they
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Speaker 1: bring in talent wise with their payroll. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: was a team that made the playoffs last year, took
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Speaker 1: the Brewers to the brink and fell short. Should they
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Speaker 1: be doing more. Should they be the big bad n
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Speaker 1: L Central spenders, no doubt, and they built up to
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Speaker 1: get to this point. They've done a but nice job
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Speaker 1: or a better job of building. Pitching a weak point
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Speaker 1: for THEO and Hoyer during that run, and I think
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Speaker 1: they've gotten better in that department. Kate Horton, I think
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Speaker 1: is a prime example. They used to just buy pitching.
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Speaker 1: If they don't want to buy pitching as much, you
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Speaker 1: got to develop it. I think they've done that better.
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Speaker 1: They will still spend on pitching. I'm not backing them, okay,
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Speaker 1: I want to be clear, like they definitely should be
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Speaker 1: operating more towards the high twos, if not three hundred,
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Speaker 1: and they could buy the whole and free agent crop
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Speaker 1: if they wanted to. But if they're playing in this
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Speaker 1: game right and they're going to spend probably is my
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Speaker 1: guest between thirty and fifty mil tops on free agents.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking on what they're going to make in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. Then we can refer to Patrick Mooney, who
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Speaker 1: writes for The Athletic and is on our Great North
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Speaker 1: Side Territory show. He said they've already been linked to
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Speaker 1: several pitchers who rejected qualifying offers notable names such as
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Speaker 1: from Barbaldez, Dyln't See, Michael King, Ranger Suarez, and Zach Gallen.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you.
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Speaker 4: I mean what I said was definitely more in line
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Speaker 4: with what you said. They should be the juggernaut of
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Speaker 4: the NL Central because those other teams have some spending issues.
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Speaker 4: The Cubs do not. And when I say they're choosing
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Speaker 4: to not, I should have elaborated and said they're choosing
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Speaker 4: to not be a behemoth in the NL Central. They're saying, well,
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Speaker 4: you know what, I'm about to run a race, one
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Speaker 4: hundred yard dash, and the other people I'm running against
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Speaker 4: aren't that fast, so I'm just not gonna try that hard.
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Speaker 4: But they keep getting passed up. They keep getting passed up,
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Speaker 4: And I think if you truly own the Cubs to
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Speaker 4: win year in and year out, I think it is
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Speaker 4: something that they need to go over the salary cap.
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Speaker 4: They need because they easily can because they're bringing in
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Speaker 4: tons of money.
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Speaker 3: It's the same thing we say all the time about
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Speaker 3: the Cubs.
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Speaker 4: But I think their spending should not be thwarted, it
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Speaker 4: should not be curbed. Just because Shoda added more depth
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Speaker 4: to your rotation. The organization needs six or seven solid pitchers,
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Speaker 4: and it's okay if they go after a Frameber, it's
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Speaker 4: okay if they give a longer term deal.
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Speaker 3: To a Zach Gallan.
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Speaker 4: I think it brings it brings extra excitement to the
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Speaker 4: NL Central when the big boys, the big boy in
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Speaker 4: the NL Central spends its money, and I think it
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Speaker 4: makes everybody else in NL Central spend a little bit
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Speaker 4: of money to keep up. Because right now, why would
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Speaker 4: the Brewers say, hey, you know what, we're going to
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Speaker 4: push in because the Cubs are really loading up.
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Speaker 3: No, they loaded up with Kyle Tucker for one year.
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Speaker 4: To me, I thought that was really the jumping off
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Speaker 4: point that the Cubs could have said, Hey, we brought
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Speaker 4: in Tucker, we're now extending him. And I was told,
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Speaker 4: and now I've been shown, Eh, you know what we're not.
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Speaker 4: We just wanted him for one year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to turn out to be rental and
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Speaker 1: Todd father pitching is going to be the focus for
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Speaker 1: this team. So here's my thing, going back to Imanaga,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not asking him to be year one
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Speaker 1: coming up next year. He should be her three or
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Speaker 1: or four. Right, Presumably they should land one of the
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Speaker 1: names that I mentioned in terms of the A or
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Speaker 1: B tier of free agents starting pitching right, and then
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Speaker 1: Kate Horton looked brilliant last year, especially in the second
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Speaker 1: half as a rookie. He should slote in nicely in
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Speaker 1: that rotation. Justin Steele is going to come back at
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Speaker 1: some point this year. Matthew Boyd had a really nice
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Speaker 1: season for them. Like there are some notable names in there,
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Speaker 1: tye On as a back end guy, they actually have
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Speaker 1: some depth. They definitely need a guy that's a playoff
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Speaker 1: starter in my mind, so hopefully they set their sights
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Speaker 1: on that and then yeah, they're probably going to still
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Speaker 1: have to pick up bat Kyle Tucker didn't have his
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Speaker 1: best year, but he still had a banger year and
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Speaker 1: you're losing him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's he could be looking, you know from
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Speaker 2: reading all the articles and you know, talking with a couple,
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Speaker 2: he can be looking for a big pay day. I
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Speaker 2: know he's second half was, but this dude can hit,
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Speaker 2: he can play. But you know, back to your point
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Speaker 2: about pitching, I know a lot of teams that need pitching,
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Speaker 2: and listen, when you have depth, that's one thing that's
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Speaker 2: that's good Okay, depth is good. You can put guys
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Speaker 2: in here and there, but you need you need like
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Speaker 2: a freed You need uh, you know, one of those
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Speaker 2: top dogs that is gonna be there the whole time,
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Speaker 2: you know, like uh, you know Dylan Ceese or you know,
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Speaker 2: just a guy that's like, oh, we got to face
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Speaker 2: him again. It's not like, all right, we got this guy. Okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you could put in whoever you want. If you got depth,
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Speaker 2: that's good, but you need one or two dogs and Scott,
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Speaker 2: they got to want to come to Chicago too, so
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Speaker 2: you're gonna have to get spice everything up. So I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying it's a bad city to play in, but
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Speaker 2: you know, between a couple other cities, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what guys are gonna do again, so you put the offer.
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Speaker 2: At least you could do is put the offer out
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Speaker 2: there to some guys. But they also have to say
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Speaker 2: yes and come over. So it's it's a tricky, tricky
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Speaker 2: side of the business that you know, most don't understand.
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Speaker 1: We we have a resident Cubs fan in the ft
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Speaker 1: chat in many days, Mike ge who asks great questions
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Speaker 1: and he's dialed first off, he said, and census on Twitter,
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Speaker 1: and more importantly among Cubs beat members is that this
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Speaker 1: wasn't a credible report. Okay, well we're bringing it up.
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Speaker 1: And then he also brought up Showeda's numbers, specifically with
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Speaker 1: first inning issues. This is what I wanted to ask you, guys.
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Speaker 1: So SHOWDA was awesome in twenty twenty four, really good
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Speaker 1: still in twenty twenty five. This is Mike g writing
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Speaker 1: second through eighth inning ERA three oh one, first inning
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Speaker 1: ERA seven to two zero. So it seems something that
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Speaker 1: can reasonably be fixed.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys to have that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, some of the best pitchers, some of the best pitchers,
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Speaker 4: their worst innings are the first innings. And I'm not
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Speaker 4: saying he's a cy young candidate or you know, if
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Speaker 4: he hadn't had those first innings, he would have been.
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Speaker 4: But the first inning is when you get to some
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Speaker 4: guys because then they settle in, they get in the
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Speaker 4: rhythm of the game, and it's a lot tougher because
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Speaker 4: you're starting to feel your pitches out.
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Speaker 3: Can that be changed?
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Speaker 4: Obviously, he's got to look at To me, the more
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Speaker 4: glaring thing was Showeda was the home runs All of
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Speaker 4: a sudden, those balls that he was getting the swings
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Speaker 4: and misses or the pop ups to then be able
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Speaker 4: to get the finish pitch we're going out of the ballpark.
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Speaker 3: To me, that's the biggest thing he did.
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Speaker 4: That lack did that loss in velocity create a little
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Speaker 4: bit less deception where guys were now squaring it up,
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Speaker 4: because to me, that's the overall glaring. Whether it happens
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Speaker 4: in the first inning like in the playoffs, or if
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Speaker 4: it happens part way through like it shows me he's
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Speaker 4: either not fully healthy or he's going to have a
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Speaker 4: consistent dip in velocity. And you know, he's going to
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Speaker 4: have to learn to be a pitch to different locations
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Speaker 4: because that velocity is not getting that swing and miss
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Speaker 4: or foul tip on the heater that he wants.
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Speaker 2: Mhm.
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Speaker 1: And as to if the report's true or not, we're
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Speaker 1: never going to know. But I mean, we at least
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Speaker 1: know that they didn't love Shoda enough to give him
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Speaker 1: that club option that they had, and then you know,
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Speaker 1: showed it didn't take on his lower player option, he
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Speaker 1: took on this qualifying offer. So we will never know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we only only the owner really knows. Tom Ricketts,
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Speaker 1: But doctor D said could have easily got three to
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Speaker 1: five years at twenty MILLI a year from another team,
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Speaker 1: even though he's not worth that. I'm going to disagree
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Speaker 1: on that front. I think that's too much that he
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Speaker 1: would have commanded here, and now he's going to wipe
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Speaker 1: away this qualifying offer draft pick that's attached to him
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Speaker 1: for when he hits the free agent market next year.
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Speaker 4: I think his number, I think his number was under
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Speaker 4: that fifty million threshold, and which affects the draft pick.
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Speaker 4: So teams that are sitting there going, Okay, this guy's
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Speaker 4: thirty two years old, what are we going to give
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Speaker 4: him because we're getting or giving up a draft pick,
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Speaker 4: they're very hesitant, and I forget we had somebody on
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Speaker 4: and they were talking about how much that draft pick
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Speaker 4: is worth in the millions, and essentially owners are just
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Speaker 4: taking off of guys contracts, their salaries. So I have
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Speaker 4: a hard time, hard time believing he would have gotten
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Speaker 4: even three years. To me, I thought he probably would
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Speaker 4: have been in like the thirty five to thirty eight
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Speaker 4: for two years type of range, and giving up a
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Speaker 4: draft pick too could could have squashed that even more.
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Speaker 1: And the other comment here Todd Father Neil kat saying
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Speaker 1: why are both Chicago teams operating like small market teams?
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Speaker 1: First off, the clubs make a lot more money than
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Speaker 1: the White Sox, that's a fact. But still he's got
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Speaker 1: a great point. Those teams market wise should be leading
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Speaker 1: the pack in their respective divisions in terms of how
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Speaker 1: much they invest into the ball club, and they don't.
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Speaker 1: You could say we're a broken record for complaining about
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Speaker 1: how some teams spend and some teams don't. But Chicago
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Speaker 1: fans definitely have a strong case.
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Speaker 2: Yeah they do. And like we said before, Kraftsy's like,
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Speaker 2: don't let me get started with all this money talk
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Speaker 2: and that stuff. It's they have the money, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of teams make more money than others. But still
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Speaker 2: these owners wouldn't be in this business if it wasn't,
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Speaker 2: you know, profitable for these guys. So what I love
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Speaker 2: to see the White Sox go out and spend. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it's just not their m right now. But the Cubs
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Speaker 2: I have no reason not to go out and try
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Speaker 2: and find some super super athletes to help this team
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Speaker 2: get over the hump again and get back to a
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Speaker 2: World Series.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: To me, I think the Kyle Tucker acquisition is everything
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Speaker 1: you need to know. It's not about what they're doing
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Speaker 1: right now, Kratz. It's the fact that even when he
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Speaker 1: came on board, it didn't sound like there were ever
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Speaker 1: real discussions about an extension, and that should tell you
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Speaker 1: everything you need to know about where the Cubs are at.
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Speaker 1: You give up assets, you get a guy like this,
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Speaker 1: you clearly value him highly, not highly enough to shout
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Speaker 1: out big dollars. I think they're just one of those
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Speaker 1: teams that doesn't believe in those big ass contracts. The
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Speaker 1: Asters do this sometimes too, They don't go past a
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Speaker 1: certain point.
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Speaker 3: This is the facts, not our opinion. It's the facts.
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Speaker 3: Look at the numbers.
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Speaker 1: Spreading rumor's time. Let's get ready to load up to tweets. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so this is what happens more and more in the
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Speaker 1: off season, really all the time nowadays. On social media.
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Speaker 1: Someone says something, someone who's credible, someone who does a
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Speaker 1: lot of homework, and then aggregators take bits and pieces
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Speaker 1: and make it pop. They put a little sizzle on it. Wow,
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Speaker 1: and then people go crazy, Yeah, just a little snap
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Speaker 1: crackle pop for Todd Father. I get excited and be like,
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Speaker 1: look at this, look at this post. It has a
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Speaker 1: million views on it. Yeah, but Todd, the problem is
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Speaker 1: it's it's not actually true. It's a fictional post. So
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Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's show the two tweets, and it's
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Speaker 1: kind of a problem. It could have been a problem
16:41
Speaker 1: segment for Todd father. So here is the Yankees only
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Speaker 1: on Twitter. The Rangers are looking to shed payroll and
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Speaker 1: are reportedly open to moving Corey Seger. Segert isn't on
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Speaker 1: the Yankees no trade list, which means he'd be eligible
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Speaker 1: to be dealt to New York with no veto rights,
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Speaker 1: and he credits Evan Grant for putting out this report.
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Speaker 1: Our buddy Evan comes out on Twitter himself and says,
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Speaker 1: here's what I said about Seeker. I did not say
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Speaker 1: the Rangers are open to moving him. I suggested they
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Speaker 1: could have to explore the possibility of moving a big
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Speaker 1: contract if it cuts payroll below two hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 1: See the differences there top oither. We had this too.
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Speaker 1: Bob Nightingale, who's one of our our regular insiders now
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Speaker 1: was talking about how maybe the Padres would move someone
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Speaker 1: like Fernando Tatis. Here's actually a big problem among the
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Speaker 1: audience these days because Jim Bowden suffers from this sometimes too.
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Speaker 1: Insiders and analysts will throw out ideas and then people
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Speaker 1: will aggregate it, and then they will go after them, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: Bob says they're gonna trade tatis, and when they don't
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Speaker 1: trade tattis, are gonna be like, see Bob, you didn't
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Speaker 1: know they're trading him. He's just bringing up ideas. This
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Speaker 1: is what we do in the off season. Your thoughts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just right up my alley. I can't
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Speaker 2: stand if somebody says some you gotta be I guess
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Speaker 2: you gotta be so specific in what you say. It's
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Speaker 2: not gonna tell young kids today. These young kids have
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Speaker 2: Twitter and Instagram by dude double and triple. Check what
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Speaker 2: you write on there. If you write a word wrong
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Speaker 2: and or you spell it wrong, or do this. I mean,
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Speaker 2: John Hayman had the one. Was it Arson Judge or
18:18
Speaker 2: whatever the heck that? I don't know what it was,
18:21
Speaker 2: but long story short, he didn't say anything of the sort,
18:24
Speaker 2: and somebody takes it like, oh, I'm gonna make this
18:26
Speaker 2: spicy so I can get some likes and love.
18:29
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
18:31
Speaker 2: I don't like it at all. It's fishy.
18:33
Speaker 4: Sometimes I say things on the show that just make
18:36
Speaker 4: Todd Mann. Just to say things, that's it. You don't
18:39
Speaker 4: want to make I want to make Todd mad. And
18:41
Speaker 4: I feel like that's kind of what can happen on
18:43
Speaker 4: Twitter sometimes. But let's explore it so somebody can take
18:47
Speaker 4: my words out of out of context. Who wouldn't want
18:51
Speaker 4: Corey Seeger? Why wouldn't the Rangers want a little payroll shedding.
18:57
Speaker 4: That's a lot of payroll shedding. There's but to me,
19:00
Speaker 4: who has more value the two guys that you have
19:03
Speaker 4: that you could shed payroll with. It's Corey Seeger and
19:07
Speaker 4: Marcus Simeon. I don't think anybody's really clamoring after Marcus Simeon.
19:12
Speaker 4: You could shed, you could get rid of the payroll,
19:15
Speaker 4: but you're gonna have to pay for it. So it's
19:16
Speaker 4: not really just getting it's just getting rid of the player.
19:19
Speaker 4: Corey Seger. He would slot into any spot. But the
19:24
Speaker 4: thing you have to remember is if it doesn't happen
19:26
Speaker 4: this year, he gets his ten and five rights after
19:30
Speaker 4: this season. So if they're exploring it, if please capital letters,
19:35
Speaker 4: if it has to happen this year, it has to
19:38
Speaker 4: happen before he hits that ten and five.
19:42
Speaker 1: It's the same thing we just spoke to Ken Rosenthal
19:45
Speaker 1: about with Kitel Marte. There is a deadline for a team,
19:49
Speaker 1: and that's why writers will bring something like that up
19:52
Speaker 1: as an idea, because if they're ever going to do it,
19:54
Speaker 1: now is the time or you have no more power.
19:56
Speaker 1: And someone like Corey Seeger probably is not going to
19:59
Speaker 1: movee right, He's won his titles. He settled in Texas,
20:03
Speaker 1: you have the income tax, so you'd have to actually
20:05
Speaker 1: make up that difference if he goes anywhere else. A
20:07
Speaker 1: lot of things changed suddenly for a big money player.
20:10
Speaker 1: But do we think he's going to be traded? Raise
20:12
Speaker 1: your hand if you think he's going to be traded
20:13
Speaker 1: on our ray out here exactly, thank you. But it
20:17
Speaker 1: was a fun twenty four hours for the Secret Family
20:19
Speaker 1: and for Evan Grant coming up to you for the Yankees.
20:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, always, Yank, of course it is.
20:27
Speaker 5: That's what he said, That's what he said, That's what
20:31
Speaker 5: he said.
20:32
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Beef has emerged. Adam Outavino out
20:38
Speaker 1: of the sport and into the media world a friend
20:41
Speaker 1: of ours on this show, and he was very critical
20:44
Speaker 1: on his show of the Mets in the way that
20:47
Speaker 1: they manage their pitching staff. So he has a pod
20:49
Speaker 1: called Baseball and Coffee, and I'll let him describe what happened,
20:53
Speaker 1: and then we'll go over the follow up. There have
20:55
Speaker 1: been some good articles research wise to try and kind
20:59
Speaker 1: of back up or go against what he said. So
21:03
Speaker 1: first here's Adam Ottobino popping off.
21:06
Speaker 5: And then this is the other issue. And this is
21:07
Speaker 5: something that really upsets me deep in my soul because man,
21:12
Speaker 5: I've talked about, talked with every single one of these
21:14
Speaker 5: guys about having to take control over their own career
21:16
Speaker 5: because the team is not going to keep them healthy.
21:18
Speaker 5: They need to find a way to keep themselves healthy.
21:20
Speaker 5: McGill goes down, Garrett goes down, Krannic goes down, Daniel
21:24
Speaker 5: Nunials goes down, Danny Jung goes down, all Tommy John's,
21:26
Speaker 5: not to mention Drew Smith really headed Tommy John.
21:29
Speaker 3: It's just too many injuries.
21:30
Speaker 5: So they have to figure out something, whether it's their protocols,
21:33
Speaker 5: whether it's the way Carlos uses these dudes, you know,
21:36
Speaker 5: so haphazardly, you know, whether they even care about keeping
21:39
Speaker 5: the guys healthy or not, but they need to be
21:41
Speaker 5: better than this. This is embarrassing. This is actually pathetic,
21:46
Speaker 5: like pathetic. I would have never let this happen. If
21:48
Speaker 5: I was on the team last year, at least half
21:49
Speaker 5: these guys wouldn't have blown out. I would have protected
21:51
Speaker 5: these dudes myself. I would have to jump in front
21:52
Speaker 5: of them myself. Fortunately, there was nobody willing to stand
21:55
Speaker 5: up and talk.
21:55
Speaker 3: To Carlos this year. That was just me.
21:57
Speaker 5: I guess, so bit of an issue there, And if
22:01
Speaker 5: they continue down this path, they're going to be because
22:06
Speaker 5: you cannot injure this many dudes every year. And it's
22:10
Speaker 5: hopefully this is not an actual strategy because it's freaking
22:13
Speaker 5: pathetic and it's not player friendly and eventually people will
22:16
Speaker 5: catch on. And it's funny as they were bragging about
22:18
Speaker 5: how good they were keeping people healthy the year before
22:20
Speaker 5: and had nothing to do with them. So yeah, I'm
22:22
Speaker 5: a little annoyed because these are guys that should be playing.
22:25
Speaker 3: So it pisses me.
22:28
Speaker 1: Wow, And Adam Outabino is a pretty chill dude, and
22:30
Speaker 1: he popped off. And Will Salmon, who covers the team
22:34
Speaker 1: among other things, did an article today. He put it out.
22:38
Speaker 1: He spoke tout Abino, who kind of commented like, I
22:42
Speaker 1: like everything else about Mendy, but he said, you know,
22:45
Speaker 1: he's kind of backed up what he said. John gibbins,
22:47
Speaker 1: he spoke to his bench coach who completely disagreed. And
22:51
Speaker 1: Ghibbe certainly is coming from an old school cut of cloth,
22:54
Speaker 1: who said that the bullpen usage was on point, and
22:57
Speaker 1: if anything, he felt like there were times where they
22:58
Speaker 1: were overprotecting the guy. In this article phrase Samon wrote.
23:04
Speaker 1: By most measures, the Mets under Mendoz have no glaring
23:07
Speaker 1: red flags for their reliever usage. Over the last two years,
23:09
Speaker 1: New York ranks twenty first in relief appearances on consecutive days.
23:13
Speaker 1: Of the fifty eight pitchers who have appeared in seventy
23:15
Speaker 1: or more games in neither of the last two seasons,
23:17
Speaker 1: just three of them were Mets, all trade deadline acquisitions
23:20
Speaker 1: that were already on pace for that many games when acquired.
23:24
Speaker 1: There's a ton of research in here that essentially shows
23:27
Speaker 1: that the Mets are not really doing anything different from
23:31
Speaker 1: any other ball club, and they're protecting pictures just as much.
23:34
Speaker 1: Right so, we can look at a starting staff that
23:39
Speaker 1: was a disaster for the most part this past season
23:42
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you're gonna need more bullpen help. But
23:45
Speaker 1: do we really feel like we watched the Mets in
23:47
Speaker 1: the past couple of years and think, ah, they're just
23:50
Speaker 1: beating up their relievers.
23:54
Speaker 2: No, I haven't. Honestly, I didn't watch them that much
23:57
Speaker 2: during the year. I watched a little bit because my
24:00
Speaker 2: son loves the Mets, so he'd put him on. But
24:03
Speaker 2: you felt that one, man, Oh man, you felt that.
24:05
Speaker 2: I love Adam. I I've gotten along with Adam. He's
24:08
Speaker 2: a great picture out of you know, it's really good, dude.
24:11
Speaker 2: Something was was hurting him there. Man, he's you know,
24:13
Speaker 2: he's had enough, so something over there when he's with
24:15
Speaker 2: the Mets, something bothered him, and this was this might
24:18
Speaker 2: have been the icing on the cake of the whole thing.
24:20
Speaker 2: Seeing all these injuries and him to be that passionate
24:23
Speaker 2: about it and understandable as a player, it means that
24:26
Speaker 2: much more. So there's more to it. There's gotta be.
24:31
Speaker 2: There's always more to this story and to this thing.
24:33
Speaker 2: You know, guys are injured, of course, but I would
24:36
Speaker 2: love to talk to ad him about the whole situation
24:38
Speaker 2: in scenario. Maybe maybe there's not Maybe it's just something
24:40
Speaker 2: that he's very passionate about. And you know, the injuries.
24:44
Speaker 2: It seems like there's a bunch of injuries every year,
24:46
Speaker 2: but with the Mets, you know, what can happen will happen,
24:50
Speaker 2: you know, and it's just uh, you know it was
24:54
Speaker 2: it was that was hardcore right there.
24:56
Speaker 3: Man.
24:57
Speaker 2: You know, I like Adam for even stepping up and
24:59
Speaker 2: saying something. You know, whether he's right or wrong, I
25:01
Speaker 2: give him credit.
25:02
Speaker 3: I mean, those are his boys.
25:04
Speaker 4: Those are the guys he just played with, the guys
25:06
Speaker 4: that you're sitting in the bullpen with because most of
25:08
Speaker 4: them were bullpen I get at McGill with the starter,
25:11
Speaker 4: but anytime I see bullpen issues with injuries over use
25:17
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, there could be some injuries. Like
25:20
Speaker 4: I look at the Guardians and their bullpend. The guys
25:23
Speaker 4: that are down.
25:23
Speaker 3: There are getting crushed.
25:26
Speaker 4: I don't really blame voter when you don't have anybody
25:30
Speaker 4: going deep. I forget how many starts in a row.
25:33
Speaker 4: I think it was over twenty five starts in a
25:34
Speaker 4: row that nobody went more than five innings. Not talking
25:39
Speaker 4: about nobody went more than six innings. You're talking about
25:43
Speaker 4: every single night for twenty five straight games. You have
25:47
Speaker 4: to pick up at least four innings at least, and
25:52
Speaker 4: for Mendy to still keep those numbers below there, I
25:57
Speaker 4: have a hard time getting in line with what Auto said. Now,
26:01
Speaker 4: I didn't watch it as much except for the fact
26:04
Speaker 4: that you just look at the numbers and you're like, hey,
26:06
Speaker 4: these guys weren't overused. Now you're in the clubhouse. Auto
26:11
Speaker 4: was in the clubhouse, and he's talked to some of
26:13
Speaker 4: these guys. Maybe some of them were hanging. Maybe they
26:17
Speaker 4: were kind of saying, hey, we need you out there,
26:20
Speaker 4: we need you out there, we need you out there.
26:21
Speaker 4: Maybe there was kind of a push in that sense.
26:23
Speaker 4: So maybe there's some background or stuff in the background
26:27
Speaker 4: that we don't know about.
26:29
Speaker 3: But as far as.
26:30
Speaker 4: Just a outing standpoint, and this made Tommy Johns seems
26:35
Speaker 4: like a seems like a random year for or seems
26:37
Speaker 4: like a regular year for the Rays. The Dodgers like
26:41
Speaker 4: teams that are pushing guys to the limit with how
26:45
Speaker 4: much they throw and how much and how much you know,
26:48
Speaker 4: how hard they throw and the extreme velocities and spin
26:53
Speaker 4: that they're putting on the ball.
26:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I do watch a ton of Mets games.
26:57
Speaker 1: Most of my family they're massive Mets fans and again,
27:00
Speaker 1: we're going back here, and I'm right in line. I mean,
27:03
Speaker 1: I've been critical as hell of what David Stearns has
27:06
Speaker 1: decided to do with his cherry picking and as AJ
27:10
Speaker 1: calls it, playing in the kiddie pool for starting pitching
27:13
Speaker 1: when the rest of your roster is beefed up and expensive,
27:16
Speaker 1: it's just not going to work on a year to
27:17
Speaker 1: year basis. You're gonna have some years like twenty four
27:19
Speaker 1: where it hits. You're gonna have more years like twenty
27:22
Speaker 1: five when Frankie Montas does not work out for you.
27:26
Speaker 1: And Sean Manaia has had injury injuries in the past,
27:29
Speaker 1: they popped up again for him. This year wasn't a
27:31
Speaker 1: strong Senga's had a long list of injuries in the past.
27:33
Speaker 1: That's why he was cheaper. He could pitch like a
27:35
Speaker 1: one when he's healthy. So some of this was who
27:38
Speaker 1: they were buying into. Often those pitchers that are cheaper
27:41
Speaker 1: have a long injury background, right, that's a big thing,
27:45
Speaker 1: that's Montas. There's so many more stats here, though, Guys.
27:49
Speaker 1: Of the sixty two pitchers who have compiled at least
27:51
Speaker 1: seventy innings in relief in either of the past two seasons.
27:54
Speaker 1: Just one was a met Rogers deadline acquisition, right, He said,
27:58
Speaker 1: this is Will Sammon's report. Three times in the last
28:01
Speaker 1: two years as a Mets reliever appeared at least fourteen
28:03
Speaker 1: times in the month. League average is six and a
28:06
Speaker 1: half per team. Six times at Mets relievers throwing fifteen
28:09
Speaker 1: or more innings in a month, just above the league
28:11
Speaker 1: average of five point seven per team. So it's about average.
28:14
Speaker 1: That's why you look at this team. The one thing
28:16
Speaker 1: I looked at was, damn they have no starting pitching,
28:18
Speaker 1: and I actually think they did an okay job of
28:21
Speaker 1: trying to manage their bullpen that had to pick up
28:23
Speaker 1: for the starting pitching all the time. The real story
28:26
Speaker 1: of the Mets to Mekratz was you look at all
28:27
Speaker 1: the young guys they called up early, and some of
28:29
Speaker 1: them were great, like McLean, but you didn't expect any
28:32
Speaker 1: of them to get called up. But their starting staff
28:34
Speaker 1: fell apart. So I just don't see it. This is
28:36
Speaker 1: where you have to just go back and forth with
28:38
Speaker 1: Auto and get the specifics. Last thing I will say,
28:41
Speaker 1: if a guy is hanging and to describe that to
28:43
Speaker 1: our fans, like they're not feeling good enough to pitch
28:45
Speaker 1: that day, they need to talk to the medical staff
28:47
Speaker 1: where the medical staff addresses that, and then they need
28:50
Speaker 1: to go on the il.
28:52
Speaker 4: YEP and players always want to play through things. I sure,
28:56
Speaker 4: because I have a good connection with Mendy. I have
29:00
Speaker 4: a hard time believing and watching the games, have a
29:02
Speaker 4: hard time believing that they push these guys too hard,
29:04
Speaker 4: because he really, really deeply cares about the players, and
29:09
Speaker 4: knowing David Stearns, I have a hard time believing that
29:14
Speaker 4: he would he would like send down some kind of
29:17
Speaker 4: edict and say, wow, we got these guys like you
29:20
Speaker 4: have to put up No, they understand. They both understand
29:24
Speaker 4: trying to keep players healthy. And I would say the
29:27
Speaker 4: Mets are not an organization that sits there and goes
29:30
Speaker 4: we don't care if they get hurt, Because there are
29:33
Speaker 4: definitely some organizations where I would disagree with that statement.
29:36
Speaker 4: I think they are fine with it because they have
29:38
Speaker 4: a whole cavalcade of more guys running into the bullpen
29:42
Speaker 4: like we're starting to get into the era in some
29:45
Speaker 4: organizations where it really is a bullpen like it really is,
29:48
Speaker 4: we'll just get more cattle. As soon as those cattle
29:51
Speaker 4: are done, we move them out.
29:52
Speaker 3: And move the.
29:53
Speaker 4: Next cattle in. And that's how that's how teams run.
29:56
Speaker 4: You know, a cheaper bullpen.
29:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Raising Guardians have been that for years and
30:00
Speaker 1: they've had some of the better bullpens. They will use
30:02
Speaker 1: them to death and then you'll never hear from them again.
30:05
Speaker 1: It's just how it works. I'm singling out two teams.
30:07
Speaker 1: There are many others. Anyway. Auto pitched sixty plus appearances
30:10
Speaker 1: for the Mets a couple of years ago. You would
30:12
Speaker 1: think he knows better than we do. So there's a
30:14
Speaker 1: side to it that I would love to bring him
30:15
Speaker 1: on to ask about. And I'm sure we'll get him
30:17
Speaker 1: again at some point this offseason to talk about it. Hey,
30:20
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of retweets for the rays On
30:24
Speaker 1: Socials today because they're putting the old crappy park back together.
30:31
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, a ton of respect and credit. Yeah,
30:36
Speaker 1: look at that Todd father to the hard workers who
30:38
Speaker 1: also are putting their lives on the line to try
30:40
Speaker 1: and put that paper mache roof back together. It is
30:43
Speaker 1: not easy. That things only going to hopefully have to
30:46
Speaker 1: be up for a few more years and they'll smash
30:47
Speaker 1: it in Avenue Park. But it was just a panel
30:50
Speaker 1: by panel. Thank you to everyone who worked to put
30:53
Speaker 1: that trot back together. I disagree that they should have
30:56
Speaker 1: just had it smashed and have a park already, but
30:58
Speaker 1: it is what it is. Good work because that place
31:01
Speaker 1: is a dump. But good work that they put it
31:03
Speaker 1: back together for now.
31:06
Speaker 2: Very good, very good. Ah Man, I get I get
31:09
Speaker 2: the shivers just looking at those people that high.
31:13
Speaker 1: Man.
31:13
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily afraid of heights, but I don't like them,
31:16
Speaker 2: you know. But it's uh. I could see Cratzy up
31:19
Speaker 2: there for sure.
31:20
Speaker 3: Man.
31:20
Speaker 2: If if his wife he said, hey, you're gonna have
31:22
Speaker 2: to go to Tampa and fix this, He's going to
31:25
Speaker 2: do it. But I'll tell my wife, listen, you do
31:27
Speaker 2: what you want. I'm not doing that. I'm sorry.
31:31
Speaker 3: You say whatever you'd say yes to whatever she says.
31:33
Speaker 3: So I get it.
31:35
Speaker 4: Some people don't like heights, you know. I don't like
31:39
Speaker 4: I don't like white roofs with a white baseball. Like,
31:43
Speaker 4: could we have gotten a panel, I know it's only
31:45
Speaker 4: a few years that this is gonna happen, or even
31:47
Speaker 4: like every other panel, like a black panel or something.
31:50
Speaker 4: Maybe they maybe, I don't know, maybe they fixed this issue.
31:54
Speaker 4: But man, Kevin Kiermeier sitting out there, going.
31:59
Speaker 3: Where's of all? Well?
32:00
Speaker 4: I took my eye off it, Like, could we have
32:03
Speaker 4: gotten some black or brown panels?
32:04
Speaker 3: Please?
32:05
Speaker 1: Guys? Do you think they don't do it? Is it
32:09
Speaker 1: like a lighting thing?
32:09
Speaker 3: Right? Like?
32:10
Speaker 1: So if it was black?
32:11
Speaker 3: Does that was?
32:14
Speaker 4: It was supposed to be like a light What I
32:16
Speaker 4: heard was supposed to be like a light slash like ambiance,
32:20
Speaker 4: So it doesn't feel like you're completely closed in in
32:23
Speaker 4: an indoor stadium. They didn't like that feel. I'm like, yeah,
32:27
Speaker 4: but there's flyballs in baseball. You got to catch them. Oh,
32:31
Speaker 4: it's it's a grind. I you never take your eye
32:33
Speaker 4: off it. It's fine, but if you like look down
32:35
Speaker 4: to see if somebody's gonna hit you, or you look
32:37
Speaker 4: for the fence.
32:38
Speaker 3: And you look back up, you're like gone forever, no idea.
32:42
Speaker 1: Isn't that what the Vegas Park's gonna look like? Don't
32:44
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of white panels.
32:46
Speaker 4: They're putting mirrors and things that reflect the sun so
32:50
Speaker 4: that you really can't see anything and it'll just be
32:53
Speaker 4: blind ball, all.
33:05
Speaker 1: Right, kratz hats, we only have a minute. You can
33:07
Speaker 1: show your hat, And why were you messing with us.
33:10
Speaker 1: I know this was on a break for some people,
33:11
Speaker 1: they missed this part. But you said Town's not for
33:13
Speaker 1: the Knicks. Why'd you say that he is?
33:16
Speaker 4: Because I wanted to hear if anybody actually knew what
33:18
Speaker 4: team he was playing for.
33:21
Speaker 1: Them.
33:23
Speaker 2: I know who's gonna who's gonna say it? You got
33:26
Speaker 2: two people here, bud.
33:28
Speaker 4: Well, neither one of you, and I know the one
33:29
Speaker 4: guy is a Nets fan. The other guy doesn't even
33:33
Speaker 4: you weren't even good at basketball.
33:34
Speaker 1: I'm not a Nets fan.
33:36
Speaker 2: Who are you saying wasn't good at basketball?
33:38
Speaker 3: Bro?
33:38
Speaker 2: Thousand points score?
33:39
Speaker 3: Bro, that's my trolling session of the show.
33:45
Speaker 2: Yeah you can offer, Khan offered.
33:50
Speaker 1: I look at it every time I'm at the studio,
33:52
Speaker 1: me and baby all day. You rip, Rip City, Rip
33:58
Speaker 1: ham Man
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Speaker 5: Two