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The Late Debate | 27 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: General man, welcome to the Late der base.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have your company on the late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and Freer Leitch coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight, calls for an inquiry into boys education. No
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  Speaker 2: one seems to know why boys are falling so far behind.
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  Speaker 2: An AI children's toy is taken off the market after
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  Speaker 2: it started giving advice on knives, pills and sex. And
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  Speaker 2: more local government excess, this time a council mayor hitting
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  Speaker 2: up ratepayers so he can be part of the Winter
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  Speaker 2: Olympic Torch relay in Italy. All of that and more
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  Speaker 2: coming up, But first, The Harvey Norman Stores held their
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  Speaker 2: annual shareholders meeting in Sydney yesterday and it was all
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  Speaker 2: good news. Sales up by nine percent, shares at a
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  Speaker 2: record high, and Christmas on track to be a retail bonanza.
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  Speaker 2: And then well the shareholders meeting got interesting. Retail boss
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  Speaker 2: Jerry Harvey, eighty six years young and apparently done pretending
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  Speaker 2: we live in a sensible world, decided to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the crime crisis. You know, the crime crisis, the one
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  Speaker 2: our politicians pretend isn't happening. Well, Jerry Harvey joked that
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  Speaker 2: if retail giants wanted to stop theft, they should let
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  Speaker 2: their staff beat up on shoplifters. He told the meeting,
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  Speaker 2: have listen. It's a bit strange that you can go
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  Speaker 2: into Buddings and all the staff hide and then you
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  Speaker 2: can take whatever you like. My best advice, he said,
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  Speaker 2: is when they shoplifters come in, hit them as hard
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  Speaker 2: as you can to give them a message so they
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  Speaker 2: don't come back. Now, he continued, saying, I'd be very
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  Speaker 2: sympathetic to someone punching someone. Obviously, Jerry Harvey wasn't suggesting
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  Speaker 2: we turn Aisle for it calls into fight club. He
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  Speaker 2: later clarified it was metaphorical, but it was a point
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  Speaker 2: well made. Frayer, It's time we got a lot tougher
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  Speaker 2: on crime. What do you think, even as a joke.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would be sympathetic to
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  Speaker 2: Jerry Harvey.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is.
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  Speaker 4: Fantastic, and I think you're also well within your rights
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  Speaker 4: to do so under self defense. A lot of violent
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  Speaker 4: crime is happening in Victoria. Retail crime against shops is
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  Speaker 4: up twenty five percent. Half of all Victorian businesses are
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  Speaker 4: reporting weekly incidences in their stores. This is at epidemic proportions.
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  Speaker 4: Clearly the police aren't doing enough or they're just then
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  Speaker 4: going to release these people on bail. I do think, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: it's time that Victorian businesses take matters into their own hands.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to start to see more and more places
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  Speaker 4: with security guards locking things up behind glass cabinets. But
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  Speaker 4: if punching criminals is what it takes to get them
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  Speaker 4: to stay away, I say go for it.
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  Speaker 5: Well the alternative is you do at seven eleven just
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  Speaker 5: did in one of the and turn it into vending machines,
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  Speaker 5: only you to have no staff whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, make Jerry Harvey Prime Minister, for heaven's sake.
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  Speaker 3: It's just common sense. And this is the problem.
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  Speaker 5: And we saw recently there was a seven eleven worker
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  Speaker 5: actually in somewhere in Sydney who and he was a
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  Speaker 5: foreign student, so young fella doing a shift overnight in
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  Speaker 5: a seven to eleven and a bunch of teenage goons
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  Speaker 5: come in and he tried to intercept them as they
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  Speaker 5: were trying to shoplift, and bang he gets assaulted. Now,
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  Speaker 5: all he's doing is trying to protect the company that
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  Speaker 5: he works for and the profits of the company.
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  Speaker 3: That he works for, and a lot of people say, ah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, you're just a worker. You're getting paid
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  Speaker 5: twenty five bucks an hour and the company's making lots
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  Speaker 5: of money. Why would you put yourself in harm's way.
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  Speaker 5: But funnily enough, they are conscientious people in the world
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  Speaker 5: that do want to look after their employers and stand
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  Speaker 5: up for what he's right, which is that you don't
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  Speaker 5: steal things from shops. You pay your way, like the
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  Speaker 5: rest of us. And Jerry Harvey and it's a shame
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  Speaker 5: that he has to then clarify and.
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  Speaker 3: Say, oh, it's metaphorical and it's.
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  Speaker 5: A joke, because deep down I think he probably believes
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  Speaker 5: it as well. He should, because the rest of us
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  Speaker 5: do that if someone comes into your shop and tries
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  Speaker 5: to steal from you, you should be able to punch
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  Speaker 5: their lights out because you've done the wrong thing and
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  Speaker 5: you've broken the social code. It's no use calling up
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  Speaker 5: the cops and saying can you come round.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the boat's already absconded. Baby.
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  Speaker 2: But one of my sons, who's studying at university, he
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  Speaker 2: works part time in a retail store and he comes
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  Speaker 2: home often telling me about some kid who's gone in
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  Speaker 2: there and just in full view, without even trying to disguise.
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  Speaker 2: It just starts taking things and walks out of the store.
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  Speaker 2: Because these kids know the staff are allowed and they're
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  Speaker 2: told to observe from a distance. And then once they
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  Speaker 2: are certain that this person has left the store with
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  Speaker 2: stolen property, they are to tell management, who then notify
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  Speaker 2: center security, who then arrive about fifteen or twenty minutes
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  Speaker 2: after the event. And my son was telling me it's
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  Speaker 2: got to the point where staff don't even care. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it's just I guess it's covered by insurance and they're
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  Speaker 2: told not to get involved. And so I've watched my son.
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  Speaker 2: It started with frustration that people are getting away with stealing,
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  Speaker 2: and it's over time evolved into a shrug of the shoulders,
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  Speaker 2: and there is the way things are.
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  Speaker 5: How sad is that it's that is the society we
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  Speaker 5: now live in. And I mean companies are scared to
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  Speaker 5: do any because if a staff member intervenes, staff member
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  Speaker 5: gets injured, that of course means you're down a man,
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  Speaker 5: and you potentially have to pay compo and all these
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  Speaker 5: sorts of things. All the company gets in trouble because
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  Speaker 5: the staff member goes too far according to the law,
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  Speaker 5: and so they get in hot water, and so as
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  Speaker 5: far as the companies are concerned there, I'll just rid
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  Speaker 5: my hands of this, and.
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  Speaker 4: Which is very sad. I mean, I think it's probably
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  Speaker 4: getting to a point where staff there should be at
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  Speaker 4: least one dedicated person on every shift at any time
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  Speaker 4: that is armed with pepper spray or some sort of
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  Speaker 4: weapon of self defense, because that is the state of things.
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  Speaker 4: But let's move on now. Today in Canberra, former Prime
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  Speaker 4: Minister Malcolm Turnbull's portrait was unveiled and here he was
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  Speaker 4: accepting it and saying he's very happy about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I like it.
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  Speaker 6: I like it, but I guess it's more important what
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  Speaker 6: others think of it. But it's it's a great artist
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  Speaker 6: and I'm I'm very happy with it.
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  Speaker 4: Malcolm Turnbull liking a massive painted version of himself that's
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  Speaker 4: going to be hung in Parliament forever. I mean, who
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  Speaker 4: would have thought what? But it got even better because
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  Speaker 4: us here at Sky News we actually got a shout
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  Speaker 4: out today.
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  Speaker 6: There are a group of people there by now I
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  Speaker 6: think essentially majority who think the object of politics is
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  Speaker 6: to win the approval of a relatively narrow part of
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  Speaker 6: the What you might call the right wing media, you
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  Speaker 6: know the Sky Sky Up the Dark and you know
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  Speaker 6: fellow Travelers and social media and radio and so they're
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  Speaker 6: running on cultural issues, on reality denial, you know, the
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  Speaker 6: it's like it's really sad, right.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure he's actually never really watched Sky after Dark
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  Speaker 4: because it's not sad. We tackle the real issues. And yes,
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  Speaker 4: maybe the majority of people in the Liberal Party now
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  Speaker 4: do care about the things we talk about because it's
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  Speaker 4: common sense and the left has gone so far left
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  Speaker 4: that you don't have to be that right wing to
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  Speaker 4: suddenly find yourself firmly on the right side of politics.
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  Speaker 4: But I just thought this was a classic demonstration of
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  Speaker 4: Turnbull's arrogance to be perfectly honest and just self obsession.
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  Speaker 4: He is so irrelevant, He's contributing absolutely nothing to the
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  Speaker 4: Liberal Party anymore. He's not conducting himself with grace. Instead,
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  Speaker 4: he just uses any opportunity to slag off the party
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  Speaker 4: that gave him everything.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Liberals did not like the portrait at all. They thought
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  Speaker 2: it was done from the wrong angle. It should have
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  Speaker 2: done being done off the back of him, because that's
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  Speaker 2: the part they want to see for Malcolm Turnbull to
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  Speaker 2: go on about, oh, they're just fighting culture wars. Wasn't
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  Speaker 2: Turnbull prime minister when they had the plebiscite for same
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  Speaker 2: sex marriage, So for him to be upset about the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals being involved in culture wars when he was at
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  Speaker 2: the forefront of a fairly major one. And then he
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  Speaker 2: went on talking about the current Liberal party, calling them
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  Speaker 2: insane for reconsidering net zero, calling their policies on energy ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: And then he finished, of course that tirade with when
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  Speaker 2: I was PM, which is really what Malcolm Turnbull loves
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  Speaker 2: to talk about. Someone should have asked him about snowy
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  Speaker 2: two point zero when he was talking about the need
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  Speaker 2: for engineering and economics to be at the forefront of
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  Speaker 2: climate policy rather than ideology and idiocy. Maybe if he'd
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  Speaker 2: listened to himself when he was Prime minister, we wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have that massive, expensive white elephant.
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, I'm not going to defend sky News against
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  Speaker 5: his attacks because frankly, we don't need to defend ourselves
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  Speaker 5: against the attacks of the miserable ghost Malcolm Turnbull, as
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  Speaker 5: I said on Cherry's program earlier this evening when he
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  Speaker 5: was talking about Susan Lee, because obviously. I mean he's
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  Speaker 5: making pointed comments, particularly about dumping it zero.
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  Speaker 3: And then he was later asked, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know whether Susan Lee had been dealt a bad hand,
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  Speaker 5: and he said, well, she's dealt some of those cards herself.
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  Speaker 3: Now, there is of.
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  Speaker 5: All the people who could potentially be the leader of
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  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party at the moment, surely Susan Lee is
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  Speaker 5: the most ideologically close to Malcolm Turnbull. What would he
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  Speaker 5: prefer Andrew Hasty? Would he prefer Angus Taylor? Would he
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  Speaker 5: preferred Ted O'Brien. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 4: Andrew Bragg all of those himself. Sorry, Caleb Jesus.
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  Speaker 5: Christ did you watch me on Sharon's I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: sell a my bloody put any. That was my point
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  Speaker 5: is that there is no one who he thinks could
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  Speaker 5: do the job better than him, and so he will
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  Speaker 5: take the pot shot at every possible opportunity. But he
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  Speaker 5: did have some friends there today, Julie Bishop, George Brandis,
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  Speaker 5: Christopher Pine, some of whom I don't mind personally, but
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  Speaker 5: we're ideological friends of his when he was Prime minister,
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  Speaker 5: and he said of the ragtag bunch today, we weren't
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  Speaker 5: universally admired within the Coalition, I have to say, but
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  Speaker 5: nonetheless we were universally admired among ourselves and that is
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  Speaker 5: possibly well, never a truer word spoken, but possibly the
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  Speaker 5: best bit of self reflection I have ever heard from
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  Speaker 5: Malcolm Turnbull. Now, while Malcolm turtles giving the Libs a kick,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to give him the yay for the day
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  Speaker 5: here because Julie and Lisa that the Opposition education spokesman
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  Speaker 5: has come out today and blown the whistle on the
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  Speaker 5: fact that boys are doing worse at school compared to girls.
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  Speaker 5: So this isn't a new phenomenon that should be said.
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  Speaker 5: This has been well known for more than a decade now.
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  Speaker 5: There have been studies, multiple studies conducted across the world,
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  Speaker 5: namely in the US in the UK, that have consistently
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  Speaker 5: found that all the way from kindergarten through to university
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  Speaker 5: girls outstriped boys. Some studies find that girls beat boys
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  Speaker 5: in every single subject available, starting from the younger stage
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  Speaker 5: all the way through.
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  Speaker 3: To when they go to university.
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  Speaker 5: Now, there's different questions about why this might be. One
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  Speaker 5: is that the assessments that are done on students tend
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  Speaker 5: to favor girls, particularly teacher led assessments compared to boys.
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  Speaker 3: But there is also I think the.
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  Speaker 5: Problem that boys and men feel disenchanted and masculinity has
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  Speaker 5: been demonized, particularly in the last decade.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're a boy at school.
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  Speaker 5: And you get all this confusing messaging about what it
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  Speaker 5: is to be a man and what your expectations are
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  Speaker 5: of being a man, and is there something wrong with me?
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  Speaker 5: Being a boy is like an inherently wrong thing with me,
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  Speaker 5: it becomes difficult to see the wood for the trees.
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  Speaker 5: And because we talk so much about gender equality in
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  Speaker 5: terms of women and from a feminist standpoint, this has
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  Speaker 5: just gone completely under the radar, and even when it
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  Speaker 5: has been studied, no one's.
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  Speaker 3: Really bothered to talk about it because they go.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, well, it's not really fashionable to talk about the
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  Speaker 5: fact that men aren't doing as well as women. Thank god,
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  Speaker 5: Julian Lisa has come out and put a stake in
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  Speaker 5: the ground.
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  Speaker 3: He said that there should be a parliamentary inquiry into it.
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  Speaker 5: He's one of the only people I have seen in
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  Speaker 5: federal politics actually call this out and say there is
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  Speaker 5: a problem here that needs to be dealt.
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  Speaker 2: When learning outcomes for girls, we're falling short. Government and
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  Speaker 2: organizations could not act fast enough to try and address it.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's clear evidence, overwhelming evidence, and it's been for
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  Speaker 2: years now that boys are doing very, very badly, and
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  Speaker 2: there seems to be not much concern at all, other
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  Speaker 2: than of course, now from Julian Lessa, here's some thoughts
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  Speaker 2: I have as a parent of boys. I notice with
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  Speaker 2: my kids school is very much an environment that suits girls,
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  Speaker 2: sit quietly, work, concentrate young boys, especially young boys. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they are restless and they want to. Then the overwhelming
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  Speaker 2: number of teachers are female, and the way a woman
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  Speaker 2: communicates is often not as direct and as blunt as
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  Speaker 2: a man might communicate. And I think young boys benefit
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  Speaker 2: from a male teacher, but there's just very few. Then
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  Speaker 2: you've got the digital distractions for young boys, and I
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  Speaker 2: know girls play video games as well, but boys seem
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  Speaker 2: very very committed to them, and they are hardly healthy
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  Speaker 2: for learning. And the other thing I find with schools
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  Speaker 2: that they tend to move away from physical activity recesses,
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  Speaker 2: lunchtimes become shorter. Kids have to sit and eat their
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  Speaker 2: lunch for the first however long of recess or lunchtime.
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  Speaker 2: My kids used to hate that. All they wanted to
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  Speaker 2: do was go keep the football, but no, no, you've
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  Speaker 2: got to get your nutrition. And of course then they
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  Speaker 2: had a smaller amount of time running around getting rid
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  Speaker 2: of excess energy, and teachers wonder why when they come
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  Speaker 2: back to the classroom they can't sit still. That just
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  Speaker 2: a few things off the top of my head that
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  Speaker 2: I found as a parent of boys contributed against them
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  Speaker 2: doing well in school. It's not an excuse boys have
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  Speaker 2: to behave, et cetera, et cetera. But there were just
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  Speaker 2: certain things that I think are unique to young boys
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  Speaker 2: that schools increasingly were not cognizant of.
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  Speaker 4: And it starts even earlier than school now because so
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  Speaker 4: many kids are being put into daycare, childcare at such
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  Speaker 4: a young age, sometimes from six weeks old, where you
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  Speaker 4: are constantly supervised. You're constantly in an institutionalized environment where
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  Speaker 4: everything is about risk minimization. Don't climb that because you
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  Speaker 4: might fall off, don't play with that because you might
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  Speaker 4: choke on it. Don't run because you might slip and fall.
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  Speaker 4: So you've got these kids that literally, basically from birth
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  Speaker 4: are being coddled and insulated from any risk, and that
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  Speaker 4: is not how any child should develop, but especially boys,
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  Speaker 4: you actually need to go out, be physical, take risks,
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  Speaker 4: get hurts. That's part of learning and growing and becoming confident.
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  Speaker 4: But those behaviors that are very natural, especially boys, are
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  Speaker 4: medicated out of them because it's inconvenient for childcare workers
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  Speaker 4: and school teachers. So then they're put on the ADHD meds,
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  Speaker 4: and long term, there are a number of studies that
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  Speaker 4: show that reduces drive in men as they get older.
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  Speaker 4: So you're medicating a problem that you've created because people
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  Speaker 4: have outsourced parenting to institutions, and then long term, you're
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  Speaker 4: actually setting them up to fail because that natural desire
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  Speaker 4: to be creative and active is also what makes you
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  Speaker 4: work hard and take risks that young men now aren't doing.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got kids that are struggling and it's coming
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  Speaker 2: up to Christmas. You want to do something nice for them,
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  Speaker 2: So you think, you know what, I'm going to get
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  Speaker 2: my kid. I'm going to get my kid a teddy Bear,
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  Speaker 2: but not just any teddy bear. I'm going to get
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  Speaker 2: my kid at a teddy Bear that incorporates AI so
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  Speaker 2: the teddy bear can talk to my children and they
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  Speaker 2: can converse with it. How great would that be? A dream?
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  Speaker 3: Christmas?
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  Speaker 2: Present. Well, actually it's a nightmare. Take a look at this.
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  Speaker 8: The ninety nine dollar Kuma talking bear integrates open ais
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  Speaker 8: GPT four old chatbot, and it's advertised to be a friendly,
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  Speaker 8: interactive toy that will bring quote a little extra curiosity
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  Speaker 8: to your day. Well, researchers found the bear taking its
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  Speaker 8: curiosity way too far when they tested it by mentioning
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  Speaker 8: just a single sexual topic. They say the bear would
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  Speaker 8: take the conversation to graphic details and inappropriate instructions all
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  Speaker 8: by yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Beyond that, this teddy bear told youngsters where they could
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  Speaker 2: find knives, where they might find pills, and how to
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  Speaker 2: light a match in case they wanted to set fire
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  Speaker 2: to something. I used to ask my teddy bear questions,
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  Speaker 2: but he never used to weigh in on any of
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  Speaker 2: the topics I discussed. This is a frightening thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I get the appeal of the technology, but why wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: you just give your kid a teddy bear like in
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  Speaker 2: the old days. We don't need one that's going to
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  Speaker 2: converse with your children on all sorts of conversations. You
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  Speaker 2: used to have the old dolls where you know, you'd
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  Speaker 2: pull the string and it would repeat a pre recorded message,
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  Speaker 2: so you knew what it was going to say. But
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  Speaker 2: these AI teddy Bears, you don't know what it's telling
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  Speaker 2: your children.
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  Speaker 5: But I thought the point of talking to your teddy
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  Speaker 5: bear is that the teddy bear doesn't talk back, and
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  Speaker 5: so it therefore affirms everything you ever tell it.
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  Speaker 3: That was my point of view as a kid. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: I had Sheepy.
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  Speaker 5: It was actually it was a little sheep and you
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  Speaker 5: could say anything to Sheep and she never talked back.
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  Speaker 3: And I've never found another woman who can do that soundly.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, that's the great thing about it.
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  Speaker 5: But now we're saying, okay, instead of my kid coming
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  Speaker 5: and talking to me, I want the kid to go
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  Speaker 5: and talk to the teddy bear, which I find really
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: sad to be perfectly honest, as if we couldn't tell
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: beforehand that things would go wrong if you put an
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: AI chatbot in a teddy.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Bear, there were some clues and me in hand there
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: was a child.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, they are renowned for going rogue and saying
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: weird things and incorrect things. And when you've got a
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: teddy bear that's talking to kids about sexual kinks, yes,
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: maybe AI shouldn't go near your kids.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, what have I been.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Saying all along that AI will be the end of
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: the world, and now we're going to introduce it to
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: kids as well. I mean, it's just a self fulfilling prophecy.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: But what parent feels the need to buy an AI
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: powered teddy bear? Anyway? It's not a substitute for siblings.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: That's what you should be giving your kid siblings so
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: they don't have to talk to AI. It's not a
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: substitute for friends, for community. It's just fake relationship and
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: it might keep your kids occupied, but at what cost, well,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: potentially them experiencing and getting exposed to explicit material.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I reckon, you're right, it's the gimmick it is. It's
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: new and the fighting hearing it sounds kind of cool
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: if you don't think about the long term consequence.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: But you would think at the very least they will
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: put some parental controls on this chatbot. But it seems
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: like they've just taken chat GPT and put it inside
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: a teddy Bear and said, go for your life.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Don't let the teddy bear talk to the kids about
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: six it's a revolution.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Oh god, my dear, what if.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: The teddy bear starts talking to the kids everyone the
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Union jago.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: What if what if the Teddy.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Bear talks about having national pride?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: No, couldn't do that, particularly over in the UK.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're getting really touchy about national pride these days,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: as has found out Billy Crotting. Now, Billy Crotty is
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: an arborist, which is sort of by the by at
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: this point in the story. I'll get to why that
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: matters in a moment. But he was going around putting
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: up Union flags and the Saint George Cross, which of
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: course the flag of England on lampposts. He put up
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: three hundred of them along a road near Royston in Hertfordshire.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And he lives in Cambridgeshire himself.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: And as I said before, he is an arborist and
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: he's been doing work for a decade for the Steeple
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Morden Parish Council and he recently signed a contract for
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: nine thousand quid to do more work for them on
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: their trees. But then when they found out that he
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: was putting up flags national flags of the country he
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: lives in on lamp posts, they tore up his contract
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: and said you can no longer work for us because
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: let's wait for it. We have to be neutral and
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: we are not a political organization, and so we're not
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: going to be political about things, as though the national
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: flag was somehow political and not just a symbol of
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: the country in which your parish council operates.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: The chair of the parish council, his name is Nick Badger.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Which, by the by, is probably one of the most
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: British names I've ever heard. It would only be better
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: if it had been double barrel. But that's what he said,
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: is that you know, we are neutral, we are non political.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Therefore we're going to tear up our contract with you
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: to look after trees in the Okay, Number one, the
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: flag's not political. But two, what does his ability as
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: an arborist and a contract to do a job have
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: to do with the fact that he put up three
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: hundred national flags. Surely that in and of itself is
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: a political statement.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: If he'd been putting up rainbow flags in his own time,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: would he have been sacked from the council? I doubt it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: If he'd been putting up pro Palestinian flags, would he
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: have been sacked from the council. Not if he was
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: doing it in his own time, but you put up
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the national flag. And of course the national flag campaign
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: was part of a campaign to express dissatisfaction with mass
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: migration into the UK, and so now the national flag
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: has been associated with racism. You could not make it up.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Exactly right, and the council claims are well when neutral.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: But the very fact that you have canceled a man's contract,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: even though he's done nothing illegal, he did it in
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: his own personal time. He didn't even do it in
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: the same council area. He did it in a completely
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: different part of the UK where he lives. So all
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: those three factors, yet you still cancel his contract. And
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: keep in mind he'd been working for this council for
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: over a decade. This is a long standing, well regarded employee.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: At the very fact that you've canceled this contract shows
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: you're not neutral, because why else are you canceling it?
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: And exactly right, if it were any other flag, I
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: don't think they would be canceling the contract.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And it goes back to I think I said it
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: last night. These council officials and we see them in
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Western countries all over the world now doing these sorts
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of things to stand up for minority groups. They're not
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: standing up for minority groups. They're just expressing their own
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: hatred for their own country and using their position which
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: they were given to fill potholes and mow grass at
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: parks in order to try to change the very fabric
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of the country itself. Yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Wrong, And if you're offended by a national flag, you're
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: probably in the wrong country. Someone else who sounds like
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: was definitely in the wrong country in the end, was
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: the Afghan national who is now in custody for attacking
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: two National Guard troops in Washington, DC today, just around
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: the corner from the White House. It was an ambush,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: truly horrific. He came from around the corner, ambush these
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: National guardsmen who are now fighting for their lives in hospital.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: This is Trump talking about how they are confident the
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: suspect is a foreigner.
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: We must take all necessary measures to ensure the removal
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: of any alien from any country who does not belong
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: here or add benefit to our country. If they can't
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: love our country, we don't want them now.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: It's interesting because this alleged attacker came to the US
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one under the Biden administration as someone
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: who was brought over because apparently he worked with US
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: forces in Afghanistan. But at the time, Trump raised concerns,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: how are these people being vetted because in Afghanistan there
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: aren't many resources to vet them. How do we really
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: know who these people are? How many of them have
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: links to terrorism. Let's take you back to twenty twenty one.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Here was Donald Trump. I think he predicted this exact moment.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: These aren't the interpreters that we taught. These were people
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: that rushed into the planes and they were so interested
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: in trying to make it sound like gold. They're doing
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: a good job, these people. Many of these people are
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: going to be terrorists. Okay, they're going to be terrorists.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: They were very powerful, they were very energetic in getting
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: onto the aircraft.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: They say they're meeting.
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: Them very carefully with biometrics and documentary.
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: They're not doing that, and you can't because there is
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: no documentation.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: And here he's talking about you'll remember those iconic scenes
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: when the US aircraft were leaving Kibble Airport and you
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: just had thousands of Afghans rushing to get on the planes.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And again, who are these people? Well, evidently one of
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: them has turned out to be an alleged terror at
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: this stage from what we understand, so James, what was
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: so interesting was then how the media reported all this.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: You would think it would be pretty clear cut what's happened,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: but no.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Well, the National Guard were in Washington, d C. At
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the behest of Donald Trump to crack down on crime,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and MSNBC seemed to suggest that people in general, not
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: just this Afghani immigrant, were just annoyed by the presence
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: of the National Guard.
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: So much controversy happening in the United States right now
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: with Ice who are also wearing uniforms and wearing masks,
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: and so you don't know people walking around with uniforms
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: in an American city. There are some Americans that might
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: object to that, and so apparently this shooting has happened.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: It was just an American objecting to the presence of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the National Guard, so he shot a few. But the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Australian's ABC correspondent John Lyon was even worse. He seemed
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to insinuate that the fact this was an Afghani immigrant
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: was quite irrelevant. Literally, any American in Washington, DC could
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: have committed this crime.
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: And this also highlights an ongoing issue in the United
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: States the number of guns here. There are more guns
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: in the United States than there are people. And so
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: the reality is that even if you're walking around a
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: part of the city like this in the center of Washington,
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: d C. Two blocks from the White House, which you
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: would think would be safe, often you don't know whether
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: the person you're walking by has a hidden gun and
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: whether or not that's legal. So it highlights the constant
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: problem of the United States, the gun culture, which is
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: deeply entrenched in this country.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: It literally could have been anybody who pulled out a
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: gun and did that. Nothing at all to do with
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: migration or Afghanistan or the failure to properly vet immigrants.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: It was just, you know, guns, What.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Sort of like mind virus do you need to have
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: to that's your TAKEABH.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Seriously, it is extraordinary.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: I think his work there was probably just as good
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: as when he put together that full Corners episode about
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Trump's business dealings and witt and harassed Trump on the
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: White House lawns before he got on the chopper, because
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: that's the number one thing going on with the Trump
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: administration at the moment. I mean, there was two hundred thousand,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: about nearly two hundred thousand people came from Afghanistan into
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: the United States.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Across two separate projects to move these people.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: And how do you in one fell swoop properly assess
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: all of those people. I just don't know how it's possible.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I think in the last trunch there were ninety thousand
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: came through. I mean, that is a lot of people
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: to assess. Look, I don't know what their systems are
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: like in the US, but here in Australia, it takes
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: us years to assess whether or not people can stay
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: in this country as refugees.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: And you've got.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Ninety thousand of them come through in one shot, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: we are to expect that there is no issue there.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: So I think Trump's done the right thing here. He said, look,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: there might be a problem. We should be assessing all
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: of this and seeing who we've actually got in our country,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: because if you're the kind of person who rocks up
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: and point blank shoots members of the National Guard, there
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: has to be a motivation for it. And I know
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: that the authorities are obviously still looking into that, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: we will get more detail when they know exactly what's happened,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: But clearly there has to be a motivation.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: When you talk about the need to assess who's coming
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: into a country. Assessment is very important in all aspects
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: of life, especially in politics. There should be some assessment
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast, especially within the council. After it's
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: been revealed Tom Tait, the mayor is using rate payer
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: money to go to Italy so that he can participate
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in the Winter Olympic torch. Now this comes.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Can I pause you? You can look at keep that
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: graphic up. Have a look at the mullet on Tom
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: tape there.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: How good is that?
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Is that real standing behind a woman?
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Of course it's a woman standing behind him, but it
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: looks like he's got a mullet.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: How good is that photo? We should send that everywhere.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: It was actually a great photo. No wonder the Caurier
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: mail delighted us.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: A very Gold Coast.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: He's a sercer boy.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I wonder he was elected mayor with.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: A look like that.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Well, he's going to Italy so he can participate in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the Olympic torch relay event for the Winter Olympics. Now
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: he's doing this billing rate payers for it at a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: time when the council is trying to find seventy five
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: million dollars in budget cuts and they've recently retrenched or
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: given redundancies to about one hundred council staff members. So
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: people are rightly asking why, when we're looking for cuts
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and we're laying off staff, are we paying for the
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Mayor of the Gold Coast to participate in the Winter
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Olympic torch Relay. Tom Tait has explained that the Brisbane
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Olympics in twenty thirty two will provide opportunities for the
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Gold Coast and so he's going to be at the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Winter Olympics to liaise and hobnob with Winter Olympic officials
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: so that he can perhaps learn some things. If that
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: was valid, he wouldn't have felt the need then to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: add that there's also a modular housing project in Italy
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: which he will be looking at as part of his
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: understanding of how to solve the housing crisis. Sounds like
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: a furfee to me. He put out a statement saying
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it is my intention to travel to the Winter Olympics,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: where I am honored on behalf of the city of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the Gold Coast to be involved in the torch relay. Really,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: do you think people on the Gold Coast care that
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the mayor has been honored in participation in this event.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not so sure, and this isn't the first
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: trip he's done. Last financial year he racked up over
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: one hundred thousand dollars worth of international travel. He was
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: away for sixty days, so two months of the years
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: is as mayor, he was traveling overseas. Now, in his defense,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: he says in his first term as mayor, he personally
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: contributed one hundred grand out of pocket to fund some
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: of his travels and that they bring in, you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of business and investment into the city, but
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know a junk it's a junket. And when
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: you're the mayor of the Gold Coast, known for its beaches,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure what you're going to get out of
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: the Winter Olympics.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Well, well, I mean, look, he's not going to go
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: to the Winter Olympics and find out how they're going
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: to do the bobs leading on the Gold Coast or
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: the curling. That's my favorite sport in the wind. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: love the curling and they throw the little thing in
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: the front scrub scrub scrub. I think it's brilliant. So
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: he's probably not going to learn too much about the
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: particular sport. But I kind of find it hard to
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: get worked up about this because they are going to
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: have Olympic events on the Goal Coast, granted, not Winter
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Olympic events, but I assume it's all sort of run
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: in the same sort of fashion, and there will be
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: officials at the Winter Olympics that I'm sure will be
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: involved in the Brisbane Olympics when they come along.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Does they not have a phone?
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I know before zoom yes, and I get that argument.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: But if we then say that no one can ever
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: travel anywhere, I don't know there is a genuine connection
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: of the Olympics here. Of all the dodgy junkets I've
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: heard of, this is on the less dodgy.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: End, granted, but at a time where as I said,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: they're looking for seventy five million dollars worth of and
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you can then argue seventy five million dollars worth of
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: savings in the budget, what's the trip to Italy going
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: to cost him? Ten grand? Fifteen grand? Maybe what's the difference.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: But it's the look, it's the message it sends, especially
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: when you've got about one hundred people made redundant because
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: counsel can't afford to pay them. Those people are going
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: to go back to their wife and their kids and say,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know what we're going to do by groceries
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: this week. Meanwhile, the mayor he's offered the Winter Olympics.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Well I haven't. Yeah, he can at least make the connection.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Unlike you know, there are a few meals down in
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: South Australia that went over for the cops and they're
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: not even the Lord Mayor.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: And they're not even hosting company more are they?
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Seriously?
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Hey, two quick things were to get to before we go.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: The first one, while I'm talking about South Australia, they're
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: going to have a state election fight over garages.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, I know you didn't see that one coming, did you.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: But the Premier, Peter Malanowskis has said he's going to
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: go to the election with his key piece of policy
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: being that garages on new homes should be bigger, because
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: he've been saying for a while, they're trying to pass.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: This into law that when you build a new.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: House, because of course cars are getting bigger now, that
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: garages ought to be bigger to accommodate the bigger cars.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Because the bigger cars are clogging up the roads and
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: now no one can drive down narrow streets. But the
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Greens were opposed to it because of course the Greens
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: hate cars. They think you shouldn't have a car or
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: a garage at all.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I say a garage will entrench car reliance.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, I know that, And the Coalition we're opposed to
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: what the Libs I should say, we're opposed to it
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: because the developers don't like it because they say, well
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: it's a further burden and too.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Much money and all this sort of stuff.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: So Malie says we're going to go to an election
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: on having bigger garages. Looked, Malie's already won the election
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: and it hasn't been run yet, So I don't think
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: this is going to.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Turn the dark.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there we go. Well, another debate that's firing up
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: at this time of year is when should you put
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: up your Christmas tree. It was Thanksgiving this weekend in
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: the US, and so that marks the time a lot
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: of North Americans put the tree up. But here in
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Australia it is less obvious when the perfect time is
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: to put it up. Now, I will lay my cards
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: on the table here, I pull mine up on. I
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: think it was November fifth. My husband is very into
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Christmas and we wanted more joy. But what do you say, guys?
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  Speaker 2: Too early, way too early. The start of December is
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  Speaker 2: when you put it up.
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  Speaker 4: I oh, but then you don't have as much time
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  Speaker 4: to enjoy the tree in the decorations.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Now keep keep Christmas to December.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: It makes Christmas more special that it is a particular
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: time of year as opposed to all year. We could
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: go all year, I suppose. If you want to do
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: the shopping centers, try that on. But of course the
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: rule in South Australia is you do it after the
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Christmas pageant, which is in early November, so it's all
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: over the place very quickly.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: The other question is when you take it.
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  Speaker 3: Down, probably around New Year, before New Year before.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, Isy, but the latest.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break now
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: we've solved the Christmas tree problem. When we come back,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: we'll look at what's making news tomorrow, including an interesting
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: story on the front page of the Australian Muslim groups
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  Speaker 2: want religion to no longer be classified as a motivation
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  Speaker 2: for terror attacks. That and more. In a moment, all right,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow. Fray. You've got the Australian and
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a couple of pretty interesting stories.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. In the Australian, the headline tomorrow is
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Muslim bid to change terror laws sparks fear and among Jews.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: A concerted push by Muslim groups and the Australian Human
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Rights Commission to remove religion as a motivation for terrorist
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: acts has angered Jewish bodies and legal experts, who warn
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: the move will undermine intelligence work while leaving communities exposed
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: to attacks. The outcry comes amid a review of the
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: definition of terrorism by the Independent National Security Legislation Monitor,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: which has sought to update the Criminal Code for the
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: first time since it was enacted following the September eleven attacks,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: in a bid to reflect the changing threats Australia is facing.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: But ASIO and the Albanesi government have indicated they do
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: not support the bid in their submissions to the review,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: having found that all but three of the sixteen terror
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  Speaker 4: attacks in Australia since twenty fourteen were religiously motivated, of
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: which twelve were driven by Islamist violent extremists. Pretty incredible stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there's fifteen Muslim groups along with the Human Rights Commission,
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  Speaker 2: who are arguing that an association between Islam and terrorism
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: lends credibility to quote the dangerous notion that Islam itself
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: is a source of violence. So that's their objection. The
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Australian Human Rights Commission says that classifying religion as a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: motivation for a terrorist act quote unquote stigmatizes faith groups,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: which is an interesting argument. I would have thought our
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: law should be based not on what may create a stigma,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: but what may be in fact true. But here's what
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I find most interesting about the report. In tomorrow's Australian
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Anglican organizations have supported the changes suggested by Muslim groups
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: because the Anglicans say they want to stand in solidarity
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: with Muslim groups agreeing that religion should not be classified
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: as a motivator for terrorists.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Oh I'm for christ sake, and I mean that quite literally.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: The Anglicans have lost the plot. They are the most
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: pisce week mob these days. I just I cannot how
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: could you possibly say that?
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  Speaker 3: But look, if I can't believen have to.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Say this, If religion being a motivation for terrorism leads
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: to stigmatization of some religious groups. In fact that it
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: says here they believe that it marginalizes faith communities. Maybe
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: if members of faith communities didn't commit terror attacks then
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: there wouldn't be a problem as simple as that. And
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: to say we're going to take it away as it
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: can't be, I mean, how could it not be a motivation?
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: I also want to change other rules and regulations about
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: what can be called a terror extraordin.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, truly bizarre stuff.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Also in the Australian Tomorrow walked or pushed Joyce takes
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: right turn. Peter Dutton has hit back at Barnabey Joyce's
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: claims he was ostracized by his party and asked to
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: leave by the former coalition leader, saying any indication he
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: gave that mister Joyce should quit parliament came from a
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: place of concern after the former Deputy Prime Minister was
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: seen lying on the street. The stark admission followed mister
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Joyce ending a twenty year career with the Nationals on
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Thursday to sit on the cross bench while considering his
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: options after the next election. I mean, this is a
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: very interesting saga in and of itself. But I think
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: what we've seen here from Peter Dutton, the commentary that
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: we've heard this evening on Sky, from Canavan and also
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: National Senator Ross Cadell, it's pretty clear that Barnaby Joyce
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: asked to be left alone. He didn't want to be
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: on the front bench. He wanted to be a kind
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: of maverick who wasn't bound by shadow cabinet solidarity and
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: to turn around and he had a lot of personal
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: things going on with himself. Clearly, did they turn around
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: and say that's kind of the reason why he's quitting
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: is very strange.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: It was pretty clear that he was isolated by the
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: leadership of the party. What I find strange is this criticism,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: including on Sky tonight, from people like Matt Canavan, saying
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: why would you join one Nation? I mean, they're a
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: fringe group. You're not going to have any influence if
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: one nation of such little significance. I'm curious as to
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: why David Little Proud, Matt Canavan, everyone is coming out
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: so strongly trying to tell everyone that Barnaby Joyce is
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: ruining his life. What do they care?
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Because all One Nation does too loudly, but all it
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: does is it fractures the vote on the right and
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: then preferences bleed to Labor and so actually a divided
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: right where you have more votes going to one nation
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: will hurt the coalition. That is objectively true. That's why
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: they're freaked out about it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: They could have done more to hang on the Bannaby Joyce,
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: couldn't they. If he's so valuable to the team now,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: they could have shown him that value a little bit earlier.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: But as he's talked about today, well this business about
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: generational change, Peter Dutton wanted him to go. I mean
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: they seemingly don't value him. They don't think he has
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: a place in the coalition.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Fifty eight years of age, I know, generational change hardly old.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: He has been in Parliament for twenty years. You're already
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: a good rule.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Would you rather like, you know, the Labour senator who's
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: been there for twelve months? Is that better the twenty
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: year old If the guy with twenty years experience that.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Has been in politic state federal for fifty years and
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: he's in his eighties and he's still in great form
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: and still gets a headline and can still win an
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: election in a cant Just because you're fifty eight doesn't
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: mean you're over the hill on the front of the target.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: To borrow what we're talking about, machinations in the coalition
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: and the Liberal and National parties Coup de na exclusive
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: from Paul Starrik Staza. In the morning, rebel MP's were
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: dividing the spoils of a coup against Vincent Tarzia amid
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: backgrounding a delegation was to tap him on the shoulder,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: this is the opposition leader. By afternoon, the ambush was
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: off and senior Liberal conservatives were to crying that a
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: stabilization of mister Tazi's leadership. The leaders of the party's
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: dominant faction were responding to the Advertiser's exclusive revelation that
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: senior Liberal agitators pushing to install Ashton Hern as opposition
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: leader were already dividing up the spoils with conservative Ben
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Hood emup to be her deputy. But the only problem
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: is that Ben Hood is in the Upper House an
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: under party rules, he's not allowed to be the deputy.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: What a shambles.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Just a tip if you're going to try and stage
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: a coup, make sure you can.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Pull it off.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can't even stage a coup within your
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: own state Liberal party. How are you going to run
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the state itself? And to even think about changing leaders
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: with one hundred and fourteen days to go until the
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: next state election is madness in itself.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: I would have thought this South Australian election is going
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: to be almost impossible for even the best leader to win.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Their best bet now is to just suck it up
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: unite behind Vincent Tazia. Yeah. And if you are going
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: to roll a leader till properly yep.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Unless they can win on the topic of garages, that
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: maybe their secret weapon. The Herald's Sun has got an
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: interesting story, especially for those of us in Sydney, we
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: find it rather curious. Crush Buster is the headline exclusive
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Metro Tunnel's new high tech solution to tackle train passenger congestion.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: New technology, the article says, at Metro Tunnel stations will
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: show passengers how full carriages are before their train arrives.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: The Victoria First technology is designed to boost safety at
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the five new Metro stations, which begin operating from Sunday.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It's going to come as a shock to Victorians that
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: this Victoria First technology has been operating in Sydney for
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: quite some time. There are senses on the Metro in
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Sydney that weighs the weight of trains and that with
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: historic data is used to create a red or red,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: yellow or green light system at the metro so you
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: can tell how full or how empty the carriages are.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: We've been using this for a while, but it's brand
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: new technology in.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Victoria, Victoria, always behind the times. In a Daily Telegraph Tomorrow,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: tragic Heiro woman killed by shark as boyfriend fights back.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: A heroic backpacker fought to save his girlfriend during a
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: shark attack that claimed her life, suffering massive injuries himself
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: before dragging her to shore, where she died on the
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: sand as he cried for help.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Very sad.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: It's an awful, awful story.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: And quickly before we go on the front of the
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: town with bulletin Tomorrow.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: We've been following this for a while.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: King Con a shocking corruption watchdog report has finally blown
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: the roof off disgraced me at Troy Thompson's House of Cards,
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: unraveling a stunning web of lies about his military service
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: and education. It separately found no evidence of a life
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: threatening cancer battle and found that he shared confidential documents
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: with a private advisor. Thompson is not facing any charges.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: He may not be facing charges, but he is facing
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: a bit of embarrassment.
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: There you go.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: swearing TV reporters, New South Wales tornadoes and the Pope
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: staging a rave party. That's up next. I am not
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: much of a fan of camping, and after what Frey
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: is about to show you, I'm still not a fan
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: of camping.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: With the Strawberry Fields and Music festival down on the
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: banks of the Murray River in Toccamwall, New South Wales,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: a tornado appeared. Have a look.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Tornado.
• 46:47
  Speaker 10: Oh, I want to know what those guys were on.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: That would be mildly funny if your best friend was
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: in there.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: And he's o it and fly tent pigs. Well, it
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: clearly got the tent pigs up. I don't know anyway
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: if the commentary on that was good enough for you.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Listen to my old mate Owen Leonard.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: I used to work with him. I was his chief
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: of staff at the Herald Sun in Melbourne. Now he's
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: in Perth at Channel nine and well something perturbed him.
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: On He and New Look whacker, complete with a water slide,
• 47:32
  Speaker 13: was set to be opened for the public to enjoy
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: it by November. We can reveal that's now been blown
• 47:37
  Speaker 13: out until after the school holidays.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Something went wrong.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: But owen mate, I do hope you're well. And look,
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: if you can't say the e F word on Telly.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: What can you say?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: There?
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: You go?
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: There's been claims that the pope is hosting race parties.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It's kind of true. The Catholic Church, in their attempts
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: to reach young people, held a special mass outside a
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: cathedral in Slovakia, and then they had a priest as
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: a DJ and the Pope praying a blessing on young
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: people as they raved to music with spiritual lyrics.
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: And we're the blessing of omdi gard the Father and
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: the Son, and the Holy Spirit will come upon you
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: and remain with you on.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I just thought that was a Pentecostal church.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: That's it. I wonder if you go to a rave
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: with the pope, do they serve the Holy Spirit? Ah?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Very good, that's it from us. Stick around. Coming up
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: is the reader Panehy show. Good night,