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Mega Edition: The Sarah Ransome Deposition From The Maxwell/Virginia Roberts Lawsuit (Part 17-18) (5/30/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
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off with the Sarah Ransom deposition Menager turning back to
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defendants Exhibit seven these photographs. Do you know what the
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second photograph represents? Ransom? Yeah, that's me playing with Glen's dog,
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a Yorkshire Terrier. Menager? Where are you in this picture? Ransom?
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I was in the girl's bedroom where we all slept,
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and I was on my bed playing with Glenn's dog. Menager.
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When was this photograph taken? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager?
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Was it the same trip as defendants Exhibit number six? Ransom?
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I can't remember Menager? Okay, do you know who took
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the photograph in two five Ransom? I can't remember Menager?
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How about two six Gurgis objection to form Ransom? I
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can't remember Menager? Two O seven Gurgis objection to form Ransom.
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I can't remember Menager. Who is depicted in two eight Ransom? Redacted?
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Manager and Ransom? Oh and me, that's me Menager and
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two nine Ransom. Sorry, that's me redacted and redacted and
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one of Jeffrey's staff members in the background, Menager, turning
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to two thirteen, Is that you Ransom? Yes, that's me, Manager.
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And where you located, Ransom. I'm trying to remember specifically
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where that is on the island. I think it's near
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the main house. There was a Yeah, there was a
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fountain near the main house. Menager. Do you know whether
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you took this Ransom? I don't remember, Menager. Do you
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know whether you had this photograph on the disc? Ransom?
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I think these were one of my photos, Menager. Was
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it on the hard copy, like an actual print? Ransom?
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I can't remember. I have to double check if there
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are more copies, but I think yeah, I'm pretty sure
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this is a hard copy. Menager. Does it have a
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back like when it was developed or printed? Ransom? I
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can check, Menager. Is it back in Barcelona? Ransom? No, Menager?
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Where are all these photographs? Ransom? I have given all
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of the photographs to my lawyers. Menager? Okay, how did
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you do that? By handing them over in person? Sending
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them by mail? Ransom? Handing them over in person? Menager?
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Was this some type of photo shoot represented in Ransom
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to fourteen, two fifteen and two sixteen Ransom? Sorry to
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fourteen this is not a photo shoot. We were just
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messing around on the island, Menager. Do you know who
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you were messing around with? Ransom? We were all having
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fun together, Menager. Were there photographs of other people taken
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around the same time that you have? Ransom? I have
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given all the photos that I have, Menager. In other words,
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if you were messing around with redacted at this time,
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and there's a photo of redacted that you have, did
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you provide that? Ransom? I have provided every single photograph
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that I have, Menager? And two eighteen Was that a
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photo shoot? Ransom? That was me when I was naked actually,
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and I had a towel around me, So I think
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I just had a massage by Jeffrey because I was
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naked underneath the towel, Menager. Also to nineteen and to
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twenty Ransom, Yep, Menager, were those after a massage? Ransom? Yeah?
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You can tell I look really, really happy to be
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out of there. So Menager, do you know what trip
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that was on? Ransom? I can't remember which trip, Menager?
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And page Ransom to twenty one. Who is that in
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the photograph? Ransom? Myself redacted and redacted and a staff
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member in the background, Menager, do you know what's happening
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in two twenty three? Ransom? Oh, no, yes, So Jeffrey
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provided cosmetics for all the girls. We had to look
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our best, So that was a Krem Dela Creme facial
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mask that he regularly gave to the girls so that
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their skin was nice. We had top of the line
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cosmetics in our bathroom to use at our disposal, Menagers.
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So in two twenty three and two twenty four, or
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you're doing a facial mask, Ransom, I'm attempting to do
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a facial It's not going that well, Menager. And going
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to two twenty nine, do you know where that was taken, Ransom?
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That was on Jeffrey's speedboat to going to the island, Menager?
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Do you know when? Ransom? I don't recall which date
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that was. Menager. Did you have any contact with the
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mail on Sunday? Gurgis objection, huh, manager, did you ever
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have any contact with the mail on Sunday? Ransom? No, Gurgis,
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you mean the mail as in postage. I'm sorry, Pagliuca,
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the newspaper, Ransom, No, No, I haven't had correspondence with them, no, Manager,
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apart from miss Callahan. Have you had any contact with
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any member of the press. Ransom, Oh, I contacted redacted
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and redacted because redacted and redacted and redacted. Manager. Okay,
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did you have any contact with any other member of
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the press, Ransom? No? Menager. When was the last time
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that you saw Glenn Maxwell Ransom in New York before
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I left in two thousand and seven? Menager? How long
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before you left? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager. What time
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of year was it Ransom when I left? Menager? Yes, Ransom,
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it was the end of April. Manager. And how do
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you know that, Ransom? Because I am on some of
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the emails. I wanted to go home, actually back to
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my mom. Menager. When's the last time you spoke to
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Glaign Maxwell Ransom before I left New York? Menager? Okay,
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do you know how long before you left? Ransom? I
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can't remember, Menager. Tell me what you recall about the
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last time you saw Golean Maxwell Ransom. I can't remember, Menager,
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Where was it, Ransom? I can't remember my last interaction
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with Glaine Menager or the last time you spoke with her.
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Gergis objection, asked and answered, Ransom. I can't remember the
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last time I spoke with her. Yeah, I don't remember
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the specifics. Manager. Were you living with redacted at the
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time you last spoke to Glaine Ransom? Yes, Manager, What
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did she say to you when you last spoke to her?
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Gurgis objection, asked An answered manager, when you were living
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with or adacted? Gurgus? Objection, asked an answered Ransom. I
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can't remember, Manager. Did you speak to her about fit? Gurgis, objection,
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asked An answered Ransom. I had spoken to her numerous
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times about fit, manager, counsel, When did I already ask her?
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Did you speak to her about fit? Gurgis? You've asked
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her to this? He's cut off by Sarah Ransom herself
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several times. Manager looks at Sarah and says, I'm not
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talking to you, Gurgis. Okay, Ransom, that was rude. Gurgis,
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it was, and I'm not going to answer her question.
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Now you can proceed, Counsel, but manager keeps going When
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did I last ask her about to this? She's cut
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off by Gergis. I'm not going to answer your question.
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I'm not being deposed. I'm not arguing objections with you.
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You have asked her about it before. That's why I
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made my objection. You can proceed with your questioning whenever
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you like, Counsel. Thank you, Gergis. Feel free to search
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the transcript later. Manager, I would like to mark as
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defendant's exhibit number eight. Manager. Do you recognize defendants exhibit
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number eight? Ransom? Yes? I do. Manager. What is it? Ransom?
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They're emails? Manager. Did you find these emails and produce
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them Ransom? Yes? Manager? Where did you find them? Ransom
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on my old email account that I had during that time? Manager?
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What was your old email account? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? When
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did you stop using that email account? Ransom? I guess
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a year or a few months after. I can't recall
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when I stopped using it. Manager. Did you see on
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the first page where it says ransom zero zero four
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there are two emails in the chain which you're visible Ransom?
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That's correct, Manager, And did you produce other emails between
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those two that are not visible? Ransom? Yes? Manager? When
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did you do that, Ransom the same time I provided
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the emails originally? Manager. Okay, so you believe that you
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produced six emails of conversation between yourself and redacted mister Gergis.
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I'm going to object and ask for clarification. I'm not
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trying to give you a hard time on this one.
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When you say produced, you're asking the witness if she
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provided it to her attorneys, right, because obviously the attorneys
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produced the documents in this case, Menager, Correct, Gergis, so
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just she didn't produce anything obviously. So she's asking you,
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did you collect this email and give it to the lawyers?
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I guess is the question? Ransom? Yeah, I collected all
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all everything I had, and I gave it to my lawyers. Manager, okay,
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So you believe you gave six emails between yourself and
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redacted and redacted to your attorneys. Ransom, Yes, I gave
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all my evidence, Manager, okay. And to this Gurgus once
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again objects. I'm going to object to the last question,
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also as misrepresenting the testimony, Menager, what was misrepresenting what testim? Gurgis,
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you're saying that she gave six emails. Manager, Well, let's
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go back then and get the testimony, right, Manager, Ransom,
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zero zero four? How many emails between yourself and redacted?
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Did you see total? There's one at one o four am. Correct, Gurgis, Council,
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you're doing the exact same thing that I just tried
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to avoid confusion on. Right, there's a difference between what
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was produced to you and apparently, and you're saying that
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six emails were produced to you. Manager interrupts them. No,
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I'm not saying that, gurgis which he's providing to her council. Manager. No,
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I'm not saying that. So I'm trying to get it straight.
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Right now, Manager, there's an email indicated on the first
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page from redacted to you at one o four am
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on February third, two thousand and seven. Correct Ransom, Yeah, Manager,
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And you can read the text of that email, correct Ransom, Yes,
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I can. Manager. And that next email down says Ransom
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at four oh seven at four oh one p Ransom, Yes, Manager.
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Can you read that email? Ransom? No, because it's on Yahoo.
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It's a technological thing. You can't read all the emails Managers,
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So did you produce the February four seven, four oh
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one pm email from yourself to redact it and redact
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it to your attorneys. Mister gergis objection to the use
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of the word produce. Ransom. I've given all my email
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correspondences to my lawyers. Manager, did you give that email
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to your lawyer. Ransom. I've given all of my emails
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to my lawyers. Manager, Okay, the next email down, says
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Sarah Ransom, February fifth, two thousand and seven, at ten
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o nine pm. Can you read the text of that
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email on this document? Ransom? Yeah? Manager, What does the
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ten o nine pm email say? Ransom? As I've specified before,
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this is a screenshot, okay, of the actual Yahoo email.
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This is a screenshot, so technically I can't read that anyways,
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seeing as it's a screenshot. Okay, Ransom, this isn't a computer.
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I can't tap into that email on a page because
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it's a screenshot. Manager. Did you give a February sixth,
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two thousand and seven, two am email between yourself and
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redacted and redacted to your attorneys? Ransom? I have handed
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all my evidence to my attorneys. Manager. Did you give
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a February eighth, two thousand and seven, nine to twelve
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pm email from yourself to redacted and redacted to your attorneys? Ransom?
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I have given all my evidence to my attorneys. Manager.
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I'm going to show you defendants exhibit number ten. Manager.
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Do you recognize defendants Exhibit number ten? Ransom? Yes, Manager.
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What is it, Ransom? It's an email correspondence between redacted
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and redacted and myself. Manager on the second page, Ransom
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zero zero eight. Do you see other emails with headings
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but no text visible in the screen shot? Ransom? Yeah? Manager.
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Did you give each one of those emails to your attorneys? Ransom?
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I have given all my core respondence to my attorneys. Manager.
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Do you see in the smartview column on the left
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side a folder named redacted Ransom? Yes? I do, Manager.
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Does that folder contain your correspondence with redacted? Ransom? I
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didn't even know that folder was there, but I presume so,
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which is why I would have created it in the
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first place. Manager. And it also shows a substantial number
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of documents in your inbox Ransom, Yeah. Manager. Did you
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search your inbox for documents responsive to the subpoena that
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I showed you a little while ago, Ransom, I did.
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I wanted to be thorough with my research, so during
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the first frame went through every single email. Manager, you
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went through each one, Ransom. I went through all of
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my emails to make sure that I gave all my
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evidence to my lawyers. Manager. Did you search for keywords
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or did you just read each email, Ransom. I read
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each email, Manager, And did you print out each email? Ransom?
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I didn't print out. I saved them to a USB
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stick Manager, all of them, or just the ones that
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you think you were needed, Ransom, Just the ones that
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were for just anything related to Jeffrey I sent over, Manager,
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And I think you testified earlier you believe you still
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have your FIT application in an email, Ransom. I haven't
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read it. I'm assuming I have it, Menager, I want
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to show you defendants Exhibit number eleven Maureen Callahan article
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was marked for identification, Ransom. Oh it's the ninth of October. Sorry, Manager,
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do you recognize this document? Ransom? Let me go to
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the last sentence, the catchphrase that I mentioned earlier. As
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I said earlier, I couldn't remember the contents of the
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article earlier. I do apologize. I got the date wrong
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from the sixteenth It was actually the ninth of October.
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I couldn't remember the specific date. I remember this specific
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statement that really struck a chord with me, which was
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the true number of Epstein's victims will never be known? Manager,
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do you believe this is the document by Maureen Callahan
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that you read last October that caused you to come forward, Ransom.
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I'm presuming so, because I've gone straight to the bank
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and the sentence that I told you that I remembered
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is this So I'm assuming yes, that it's the same, Manager,
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And this article had a big impact on you because
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it caused you to come forward. I think you testified earlier.
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Is that correct, Ransom? That's correct? Manager? All right? Do
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you see also on that last page, just right where
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you were, there's a little box on the left hand side.
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Can you read that out loud beginning today, Jeffrey Epstein?
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Do you see that in bold letters on the last page? Ransom? Yeah? Manager,
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Can you just read that sentence to us Ransom today?
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Jeffrey Epstein is a free man, all bit, one who
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routinely has civil lawsuits brought against them by young women
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out of court. Manager, okay, defendants Exhibit number twelve, Manager,
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do you recognize this document, Ransom? I've seen it before, yes, Manager,
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And what do you recognize it as? Ransom? It's the
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application how to apply to fit Maner. It talks about
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students applying to different parts of the school, including arts
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and design or business and technology. Do you recall if
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you were applying to a particular area at FIT or
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general admission? Ransom, I wanted to specialize in fashion designing. Manager.
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Do you know if that was a special area? Ransom? Yes,
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it was FITS, the Financial Fashion School, so yeah. Manager.
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Did you visit the building where if it is located? Ransom?
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Yes I did. Manager. Did you attend classes there? Ransom? No, Manager,
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I mean did you visit a class? I know you
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didn't enroll, but did you visit a class? Ransom? No?
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I didn't. But I went to the university and I
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had a look around. Manager. Did you take a tour?
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Ransom not per se? I mean I went around. I
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looked at the university. I didn't go on a big,
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personalized tour with a specific person, No Manager. Did you
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talk to any of the teachers there? Ransom No, I
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did not. Manager. Do you recall there being multiple steps
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for applications to fit? Ransom? There's multiple steps on any
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college application form. Manager. Do you remember what those steps
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were when you were applying? Ransom? No, Menager. Do you
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remember the original application which had details? Ransom, I can't
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remember the original application form? No Menager. Do you remember
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there being a separate say portion Ransom? Yes, I do
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remember that. Manager. Do you remember a separate portion that
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relates to students who are applying who are not US citizens? Ransom?
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I can't remember that. I can't remember the specific form. Menager.
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Do you remember filling out any special paperwork for someone
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who was applying who was not a US citizen? Ransom, No,
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there was no paperwork as such for that. Jeffrey Epstein
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was sorting that out for me with his connections that
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fit Menager. So you don't believe you filled the part
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out Gergy's objection, Ransom, I said, I can't remember filling
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that part out. Manager. Do you remember getting a copy
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of your transcript from Queen Margaret University? Ransom. I haven't
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gotten my transcripts yet, but I can get them. Manager.
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Do you remember submitting them to fit? Ransom? I can't remember. Manager.
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Did you get a degree from your school in Edinburgh
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High School? Ransom? So, I finished all my high school qualification,
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which you know. My grades were good enough to get
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into psychology and sociology in Edinburgh. Manager. What was the
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name of your high school, Ransom, grant Town Grammar School. Manager.
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Did you get a transcript from that school to provide
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to fit? Ransom. I think I was in the process
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of getting my transcripts from Queen Margaret. I did have
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a copy of my high school grades as well. When
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you fill out an application, you submit all your grades
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high school, Manager, and that's the one in Scotland. Ransom. Yes,
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that's correct, Manager. I think I've only got a couple
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more questions, but I got my piles messed up. Can
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we take a two minute break and I can get
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organized and finished? All right, folks, We're going to take
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a break here too, and in the next couple of
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episodes we'll have that final push to the summit. All
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of the information that goes with this episode can be
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found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
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to pick up where we left off with the Sarah
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Ransom deposition. Manager. Do you recognize this document? Ransom? Yes?
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I do. Manager. What is it? Ransom? It was an
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email sent to my friend redacted. Manager. Is that different
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than redacted that you were with on the island? Ransom?
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I was never with redacted on the island. It was redacted. Manager.
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Do you remember testifying about someone named redacted? Ransom? Redacted
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was my friend in New York? Manager, Is that the
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same person you were writing here? Or is that a
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different person? Ransom, it's the same person. It's just I
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called her redacted. It's a redacted name. She's redacted and redacted. Manager.
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So how did you know her, Ransom? I met her
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while I was in New York? Manager. Do you know
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whether you paid for your plane ticket to come back
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to New York from South Africa in February of two
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thousand and seven? Ransom, I didn't pay for my ticket, Manager,
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you did not, Ransom, No. Manager. Do you see in
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your email exchange in defendants Exhibit thirteen that you wrote
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to redacted on February eighth of two thousand and seven,
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not going to Miami anymore clearly, and have to pay
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for my flight back. It's in the second paragraph towards
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the bottom. Ransom, Yeah, Manager, did you write that? Ransom? Yes, Manager,
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But you did not, in fact pay for your flight back? Ransom, no, Manager.
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Do you know what you meant by not going to
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Miami anymore? Clearly? Ransom? I can't remember what the whole
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Miami thing was about. It never came about, so I
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can't remember the specific details. On Miami, but it was
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via Jeffrey Epstein. Manager, Okay, how did it happen? What
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were you right? I'm going to have to pay for
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my flight back? But you did not, in fact pay
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for your flight back, Ransom, because Jeffrey Epstein and I
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had a fight about my weight. So it was probably
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during the argument the timeframe that I had the argument
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with Jeffrey, he said that he refused to pay for
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my flight back if I didn't get down to fifty
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two kilos? Manager? And how did it come about that
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you did not pay for your flight back? Ransom? I
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carried on losing weight to try and get to the
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goal that Jeffrey and Glen had set for me, which
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was fifty two kilos. Manager, How does that relate to
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payment for a flight Gurgis objection, Ransom, Well, I didn't
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pay for the flight because Jeffrey was financing me, so
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I wouldn't have had the money to pay for my
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own flight back. Manager, But you said you were going
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to have to pay for my flight back, right, Ransom,
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that's correct? Manager? And then what changed? Mister Gergis objection
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asked and answered, Ransom, I made up with Jeffrey. I
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tried to meet my target weight of fifty two kilos. Manager,
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and how did you make up with them? Ransom? I
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can't remember if it was a telephone call or email
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or a message, but there were various phone calls that
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were made to my family home from Golaine and Jeffrey
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during that timeframe. It was very delicate time because my
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family were up in arms the fact that I was
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told to be fifty two kilos, which is not it
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can't be achievable with my body frame, and they saw
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me getting very ill, and I didn't have the funds
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to buy a flight back, so I had to do
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what Golaine and Jeffrey told me to do. Manager, what
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did you do, Ransom, continue to lose weight? Manager? Did
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you see any medical professionals while you were in South Africa? Ransom? No? Manager.
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How did you communicate with Jeffrey that you had decided
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to continue losing weight? Ransom? So, Jeffrey, Golaine again, we
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all corresponded by telephone call, BBM message my house phone.
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I decided to lose weight. I was given an ultimatum
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that either I do it or I'm finished. At that point,
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I had no option. Manager, If you wanted to fly back, Ransom.
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If I wanted to fly back, I had all my
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stuff in New York. I had my life in New York.
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I was going to fit. I didn't have any finances.
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Jeffrey was funding me, so I was stuck. I either
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had to do what Klein and Jeffrey told me to do,
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or I was stuck. Really, Manager, you were stuck at
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your father in stepmother's house in South Africa where you
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grew up, Ransom. I didn't grow up with my father
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and my stepmother. Manager. You grew up in South Africa, Ransom,
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I grew up in Johannesburg. Manager. When you say you
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were stuck, you're describing a time you were in South Africa. Ransom.
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I'm describing a time I was on holiday visiting my
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family that Jeffrey paid for. Manager. Okay, did you finish
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your answer, Ransom, Sorry, I just read here. I'm describing
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a time that I was on holiday visiting my family
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that was paid for by Jeffrey and Golane. They financed
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my ticket, They financed every ticket, They financed my whole lifestyle. Manager,
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Golaane financed your ticket, Ransom. Well, they were one entity,
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Galaane is Jeffrey's right hand woman. They to that. She's
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interrupted by manager. When did Glane finance this ticket? Ransom?
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It was through Jeffrey's company that you work with. Manager.
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Did you correspond by email with Golaine about financing the ticket? Ransom? No, Manager,
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You search for emails with yourself in Glaine, correct Ransom,
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that's correct, manager, and you found none. Correct Ransom, that's correct. Manager.
23:38
You found emails between yourself and redacted and redacted about
23:42
the plane ticket back, correct Ransom, that's correct manager, but
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none with Golaine. Ransom. I never said once today that
23:50
I had email communications with Golaine. Manager. But you just
23:54
said that Glaine financed your holiday in South Africa? And
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what is your basis for saying that, gurgis objection? She
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did not say that Glaine financed it. Manager, What is
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your basis for referring to Glaine financing your holiday in
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South Africa? Gurgis objection, Ransom. So Glaine is Jeffrey's right
24:14
hand man, so we report to her. I told them
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I wanted to go and see my family, and they
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paid for my flight. Manager. You told them when they
24:24
were together in the same place, Ransom. I can't remember
24:27
the specific location. I just wanted to go on holiday
24:30
to see my family, which Gallainne and Jeffrey paid for? Manager,
24:34
How did Gallaine pay for it? Ransom? I don't know.
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You should ask Alane manager? Did she write a check? Ransom?
24:41
You should ask Alane manager? Did she put it on
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a credit card? Gurgez objection ransom? You should ask Alane manager,
24:49
do you have any idea how Glainne Maxwell paid for
24:51
your trip to South Africa? Gurge objection ransom. You should
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ask Alane manager. Is that your answer? Gurgis objection ransom?
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You should ask Glayne how she funded my ticket? Manager?
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I appreciate the tip. Do you have any information inside
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of your head about how Glaine financed your trip to
25:09
South Africa? Gergiz Council. She has repeatedly said she has
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no idea. You keep asking her the same question, Manager, No,
25:17
she has repeated to me that she needed I needed
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to ask my client. Gurgis hold on question Gallaine funded
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your ticket? Answer well, she was his right hand. Question
25:29
when did Gallaine finance this ticket? Answer well, it was
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through Jeffrey's company that she worked with. Are you asking
25:36
a different question, Council, am I misunderstanding. Manager, Yeah you are, Gurgis. Please, Manager,
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can you read the question that I asked? Requested? Portion
25:45
of the record was read back? Ransom. In my head,
25:49
I can't remember how she financed, how she and Jeffrey financed. Manager.
25:54
Did you see any invoice pay by Glaine for your ticket? Ransom? No,
25:57
but a ticket was produced which enabled me to fly
26:00
back to my family. So a ticket was produced by
26:03
Glaine and Jeffrey in order for me to fly home
26:05
to see my family. Manager. How did Golaine produce a
26:09
ticket to you? Ransom? I can't remember. Manager. Did it
26:13
come by email? Gurgis objection, Ransom, I've provided all the
26:17
emails that I have. Manager, that's not the question. Did
26:21
the ticket get produced to you by Golaine by email?
26:24
Gurgis objection, Ransom, No, Manager. Did it get sent to
26:28
you by a courier to you from Golaine Gurgis objection, Ransom.
26:32
I can't remember how I received the ticket specifically. Manager.
26:36
Your final line to redact it is you must save
26:38
some partying energy for me when I come back. Lots
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of love, Sarah correct Ransom, Yes, Manager, is that right? Ransom? Yes, Manager,
26:49
is the first paragraph do you advise Sarah still very
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loved up, so much so that he asked me to
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move in with them, and I accepted. All good exclamation
26:57
point exclamation point exclaming well about eight of them or ten? Ransom? Yeah, Manager,
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is that what you wrote? Ransom? Yes, that's what you wrote. Menager?
27:09
Is that true? Ransom? Yes? Manager? Looking back at defendants
27:13
Exhibit eight, which you testified earlier, were your communications with
27:17
redacted or some of them? That's exhibit nine? Gurgis, we
27:21
seem to be missing Exhibit eight from the stack, Menager.
27:25
I checked it during the break, Gurgis, it's just out
27:27
of order. Ransom is this defendants Exhibit eight? Menager? Eight? Ransom?
27:32
Is this eight? Gurgis, Yes, it is. Manager. So the
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emails with redacted, maybe I wrote it down wrong. I apologize,
27:40
Gurgis with who I'm sorry, Menager? Redacted? Ransom? That was
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exhibit Oh gosh, this is Exhibit nine between redacted and myself. Menager. Okay,
27:50
And it's got ransom zero zero four and zero zero five.
27:54
Is that right? Just making sure we're looking at the
27:56
same thing on the lower right hand corner, Ransome, Yes,
28:00
zero zero zero four Manager, All right, those are emails
28:04
that you and redacted exchange in February of two thousand
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and seven. Correct, Ransom, that's correct, manager, and can you
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read to us the email at the bottom from you
28:14
to a redacted on February eighth of two thousand and seven. Ransom, Hey, sweety,
28:20
how are you? I'm busy writing my essay for Fit.
28:23
What fun? I had a bit of a fight with Jeffrey.
28:25
Oh well, what can you do? I meant to ask
28:28
in my last email? Can you please email me your address?
28:31
It looks like I'm not going to Miami either. Well,
28:34
at least I will be back in New York. Hope
28:36
you were all well and look forward to seeing you soon.
28:39
Please tell he redacted. I say, hi, lots of hugs
28:42
and kisses, Sarah. Manager. Were you writing your FIT essay
28:46
in February two thousand and seven while you were in
28:48
South Africa? Ransom? Yes, it took me quite some time
28:52
writing my essay, so it was over the duration of
28:56
to this. She's interrupted by a manager. Did you email
28:59
your essay from South Africa to Glenn Maxwell? Ransom? I
29:03
don't recall emailing her manager Defendants Exhibit ten. I think
29:08
it is with redacted and redacted? Ransom, Yes, Gurgis, Hold
29:13
on a second. Let me just find my copy, manager,
29:16
and I show Ransom zero zero six is the first
29:19
one in the lower right hand corner. Ransom. Yes, Manager.
29:24
So did you correspond with redacted about faxing your fit
29:27
application in tour on or about February eighth, two thousand
29:31
and seven? Ransom? Yes? Manager. Did you also ask her
29:35
to look into booking a flight for you back to
29:38
New York? Ransom? That's correct. Manager. Did you give her
29:42
the date you wanted to fly back? Ransom? That's correct? Manager.
29:46
And the next email down, did you say, Hi, can
29:49
you please phone me back? Ransom? Yes? Manager? Was that
29:53
to redacted or to Jeffrey? Ransom? I can't remember who
29:57
it was to. Jeffrey never corresponded directly. He either did
30:01
it through redacted or redacted or so, I can't remember
30:05
who phoned me back? Manager. Can you turn two pages
30:08
back to where it says Ransom zero zero nine? Do
30:11
you see those emails? Ransom? Yeah, mister Gergis read the emails,
30:17
don't just manager? Did redacted ask what type of visa
30:21
you were coming on? Student or tourist? Gurgis? Hold on, now,
30:25
are you through with it, Ransom, Sorry, I haven't finished
30:28
reading it yet. Manager. Did redacted ask you what type
30:31
of visa you were coming on? Student or tourist? Ransom,
30:35
that's correct, Manager, And what was your response? Ransom? I
30:40
can't remember what my response was? Manager? Is it visible
30:44
in this exhibit? Ransom? No? Manager, all right, you said
30:48
you left New York in late April. Ransom, that's correct, Manager,
30:52
two thousand and seven. Did you find any records reflecting
30:55
that departure when you were going through all your emails
30:58
and your other documents? Ransom, No, Menager, when's the last
31:03
time you saw Jeffrey Epstein Ransom April of two thousand
31:07
and seven. Manager. Where did you see him last? Ransom
31:10
in New York? Manager? Where in New York? Ransom? I
31:14
can't remember where I last saw him. Manager. Do you
31:18
remember what happened the last time you saw him? Ransom? No,
31:22
I can't remember what happened, Menainger. Do you know whether
31:25
he gave you any money the last time you saw him? Ransom, No,
31:28
he didn't give me any money. Menager. Do you know
31:31
if he talked to you about fit the last time
31:33
you saw him? Ransom? I didn't really want anything to
31:37
do with Jeffrey and glean at that stage. So at
31:39
that point I did not talk about fit anymore with him.
31:42
I just wanted to go back home to my mom. Manager.
31:46
And this is when you were living with redacted Ransom. Yes, Manager,
31:50
When did you decide you didn't want to have anything
31:52
to do with Jeffrey Epstein Ransom? After my trip to
31:56
South Africa, my relationship deteriorated with Jeffrey Golane, so I
32:01
didn't really want to be here anymore. Manager. When did
32:05
you make that decision? Ransom? I was kind of toying
32:08
with the idea of going back. I was in a
32:10
bit of a mess after what I had been through
32:13
with Galaan and Jeffrey. So yeah, Manager, And who purchased
32:17
your plane ticket to London? Ransom? I think it was
32:20
my mom. I can't remember. Manager. Were you still taking
32:24
the medication at the time you went back, Ransom? Yes? Manager.
32:28
And you returned from South Africa in February two thousand
32:31
and seven, correct Ransom, that's correct, Manager, And that's when
32:35
you made the decision to break with Jeffrey by moving
32:38
in with redacted, correct Ransom. I wanted to distance myself
32:43
from Jeffrey things weren't great. What he was doing was wrong,
32:46
and what he was doing to me was wrong, and
32:48
I got pretty depressed about it. I was in I
32:51
was stuck in a dark hallway. I was basically being
32:54
abused by a man, and I didn't know what to
32:57
do where to go? Manager, Did did you have a
33:00
bank account in New York? Ransom? Yes? I did? Manager,
33:04
at which bank? Gurgis objection, same objection I gave at
33:08
the beginning financial information for a non party witness. Manager,
33:12
the name of the bank, the name of the bank. Manager,
33:16
let me ask you this, What did you do with
33:18
the cash you received from Jeffrey Epstein? Did you put
33:20
it in the bank? Ransom? No? I spent it on food, cabs,
33:24
general expenses. Manager, Where did you get the money that
33:27
you put into the bank? Ransom? From the occasional modeling
33:31
job that I got freelance modeling? Manager? Were you still
33:34
modeling in the spring of two thousand and seven? Ransom? No,
33:38
gurgis off the record and off the record. Discussions withheld.
33:42
Then they're back on the record. But then right away
33:45
Manager asked to go off the record again so that
33:47
she can talk to her co council. Back on Manager,
33:52
in February of two thousand and seven, you decided to
33:54
make a break with Jeffrey Epstein, correct, Ransom. No, I
33:58
didn't decide to make a break with Jeffrey Epstein. He
34:00
let me down with fit application, and he wasn't taking
34:03
me seriously and he wasn't following through with his end
34:06
of the deal basically, Menager, how did he let you
34:09
down with the fit application Ransom? Because I didn't go
34:12
to fit Menager? And why didn't you go to fit
34:16
Ransom because I wanted to go home back to my mom. Manager.
34:20
When did you decide that he let you down with
34:22
the fit application Ransom? Well, I think it was pretty
34:25
much after that incident with Alan and the fact that
34:28
I had been sexually abused for months on end by Jeffrey.
34:31
I kind of wanted to call it time with him.
34:34
I saw how he was acting with the other girls.
34:36
I saw how they got pretty mentally messed up as well,
34:39
for example redacted. So, Manager, and you saw that before
34:44
you went to South Africa, Ransom, Yes, Manager, And while
34:48
you were in South Africa, you got into a fight
34:50
with Jeffrey Ransom, that's correct, Manager, And you didn't want
34:53
to lose this weight, correct, Ransom. I didn't want to
34:56
lose this weight because I would be dead if I
34:58
weighed fifty two kilos. Manager. You didn't want to lose
35:02
the weight in South Africa, correct Ransom. I wanted to.
35:06
I was desperate to go to fit. I tried to
35:08
lose as much weight as I could for Jeffrey and
35:10
Galane Menager. While you were in South Africa, you did
35:14
some reevaluating of your life Gurgis objection, Ransom, reevaluating my life.
35:20
I wouldn't say I spent my holiday reevaluating my life. No, Menager,
35:25
were you happy when you were in South Africa? Ransom?
35:28
I was concerned because I was being asked and being
35:30
hounded to find an eighteen year old pa for Jeffrey,
35:33
and I knew that was wrong because he would do
35:36
exactly the same thing to that girl that he did
35:38
to me, and I would not let him do that
35:40
to another girl. Manager. So when you were in South Africa,
35:44
you decided to make a break from Jeffrey Gurgis objection, Ransom.
35:49
I didn't decide to make a break. I decided to
35:51
distance myself from Jeffrey. Not make a break, but to
35:54
distance myself Manager, when you came back, you moved in
35:58
with redacted. Ransom. That's correct, Manager, you can't remember the
36:02
last time that you saw Jeffrey Gurgis objection. That's not
36:06
the testimony. Ransom. No, Manager, no further questions. Thank you. Now,
36:12
the deposition part's done here, but the two sides continue
36:15
to go back and forth. Manager, do you have any questions, Gurgis,
36:19
give me one second to confer. We have questions, Manager, Council,
36:23
we're going to unfortunately, before we go off the record,
36:26
need to leave the deposition open, just because there are
36:29
some email documents that were referenced but not produced, and
36:33
we can follow up and have a discussion with counsel
36:36
about that. Gurgis, Okay, So on the record we can
36:39
carry on the conversation certainly off the record, but while
36:42
we're on the record, I will say that my understanding
36:45
is that those documents were all produced to you, including
36:48
all the emails that you asked her about and where
36:51
are the missing emails? And she kept saying they'd been
36:54
produced by our attorneys. My understanding is that the attorneys
36:58
did provide them to the defense. Manager, Well, there's a
37:02
current passport that we know was not produced. There is
37:05
a fit application that we know was not produced, and
37:08
I believe that there are emails that were not produced,
37:11
and I'm happy to have the conversation continue off the record,
37:14
but I'm telling you those are some of my recollections.
37:17
Gergis okay. And to be clear so that I'm not misrepresenting,
37:21
I see that I said there were documents and the
37:23
emails I meant to clarify as in the emails I
37:27
know we're produced. I can't speak to any other documents
37:30
that you might want to raise a dispute about. But
37:33
with respect to the emails that you said, my understanding,
37:36
at least as I sit here, is that they were produced.
37:39
That said, I think we can go off the record
37:41
and resolve any other issues between Council and I. Well, folks,
37:46
that's going to do it for the Sarah Ransom deposition,
37:49
and it gives you another look behind the curtain. So
37:52
when everybody's talking about this deposition or that deposition, guess what,
37:56
all you folks are gonna know exactly what was in
38:00
those depositions. So we're gonna keep it rolling with the
38:03
next document. And that next document is gonna be Glain
38:07
Maxwell's objection to Motion forty five, which has to do
38:11
with depositions that Virginia was trying to get on the record,
38:15
but Maxwell's team was saying, we're too late. So we'll
38:18
get to that document next and we'll just keep it moving,
38:22
all right, folks. Hope you're all having a good one,
38:24
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