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Chuck in the Morning 7-24 Hour 2: 12th Man News with Gregg Bell, let's set the record straight... and let's se this straight too. · Chuck in the Morning

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Swaying in a miss and the snow homeless Little Leaguers
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: are headed to Greenville, North Carolina. What a moment.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: Dance into the Little League World Series.
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  Speaker 1: Super special the mom and me super proud community.
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  Speaker 3: Just seen the support that has been behind this team.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible to watch well strikeouts for a lot closes
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  Speaker 2: the door.
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  Speaker 1: Eleven three winners as a head the Little League Softball
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: World Series as we have a ticket punched here. Danielle
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: emotional about watching her daughter go to the Little League
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: World Series or because she was doing the broadcast inside
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  Speaker 1: a coke clot Yeah, I guess one.
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  Speaker 4: That audio that I took it from isn't from the
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  Speaker 4: broadcast she posted it.
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  Speaker 2: They had a camera on her in the actual booth,
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  Speaker 2: so that's why it sounds that way.
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  Speaker 4: But that's where you got like the full brunt of
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  Speaker 4: it versus the highlight that they pulled off the ESPN broadcast,
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  Speaker 4: which obviously she still says that, but it got cut
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  Speaker 4: off on that part.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where you got like the whole part.
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  Speaker 4: I can't imagine that calling your daughter heading to the
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  Speaker 4: Little League World Series.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, congratulations a little LORI yes, and
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  Speaker 1: teammates and teammates.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she struck out twelve yesterday, No big deal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: well it wasn't her fourteen strikeout performance, so.
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  Speaker 1: Not a chip off the old block, not at all
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  Speaker 1: at all. Didn't get anything from mom that Dad must
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  Speaker 1: be one specimen.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good morning to you hour number two here on
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  Speaker 1: We also have your headlines brought to you by Frostbrewed Corps.
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  Speaker 1: Light before we bring Greg bell aboard and you will
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: start Little League World Series. The team from Snowhomish punched
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: its ticket, so they are heading to the Little League
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  Speaker 1: World Series and that's gonna take place not un till
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  Speaker 1: next Sunday. I guess they give them the families plenty
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: of Yeah. They get Google Room for travel.
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  Speaker 4: I get like eight days basically to figure out where
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  Speaker 4: how to get there and all that stuff, because I
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  Speaker 4: was talking to one of this homish little league moms
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  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, and she was saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: if we win, we've only got eight days to then
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  Speaker 4: turn it all around. And similar to what Mill Creek
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  Speaker 4: did last year, same thing, And so it's fun to
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  Speaker 4: watch these parents who are like, oh my god, how
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  Speaker 4: are we gonna do it?
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  Speaker 2: This is the best thing ever.
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: So they're taking on Lake Mary, Florida, and there is
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: something about Lake Mary. Everybody knows that everybody other headlines
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: Mariners getting ready for their biggest series of the season
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  Speaker 1: to date. They're in Texas to take on the Rangers.
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  Speaker 1: Whoever wins tonight will be in first place. It is
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  Speaker 1: a four game series and really the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: can really create some sort of a shake up, a
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  Speaker 1: seismic measurement would be a sweep from one team or
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  Speaker 1: the other. Otherwise it's not some make or break series,
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  Speaker 1: but it does feel like the most important to this
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  Speaker 1: moment in the season, especially for a struggling Mariners team
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: as they enter this game a half game back of
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  Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers for first place in the American League West.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be Bryce Miller for the Mariners. It'll be Mackenzie
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  Speaker 1: Gore going for the Rangers. First pitch is at five five.
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  Speaker 1: We are also on the verge of WNBA All Star Weekend.
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  Speaker 1: There'll be festivities tonight, the game will be played tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: at five thirty. Dominic will be our representative. And not
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  Speaker 1: just because the Storm needed someone. They don't do it
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  Speaker 1: that way. She earned it second year in the league.
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  Speaker 1: She's had a fantastic year, and I know the Storm
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  Speaker 1: have not, but man, those three pieces, young pieces that
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  Speaker 1: they have looks like they're putting together a pretty bright future.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why people are scared of rebuilds. This, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is what starts championship and.
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  Speaker 2: Then you get to watch it from the ground up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then, of course we are one day
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  Speaker 1: away from Seahawks training camp, all sorts of things to
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  Speaker 1: discuss with our Seahawks inside are joining us now is Greg.
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  Speaker 5: Bell as part of our continuing NFL coverage for the
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  Speaker 1: Before you say anything, Greg, We've already talked to him.
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  Speaker 1: He'll have it corrected by next week. Daily visits, daily visits.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just remembered he actually did send it to
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  Speaker 2: me already.
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  Speaker 1: Darn it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm only just trying to be accurate. I really don't
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  Speaker 3: care other than it's a misnomer.
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  Speaker 1: Or monthly visits with Greg Bell.
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  Speaker 2: Trimester, we talked Bell.
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  Speaker 1: Every time Haley's comment fuyes through the air. We talked
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  Speaker 1: to our Seawks insider, Greg Bell. No, it's a daily
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: it's a daily habit that we have chatting with our
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks insider. And tomorrow it gets started training camp underway.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: The World Champs getting set to defend their crowns. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, obviously you work all off season long,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, you know you mentioned it yesterday. So many
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  Speaker 1: guys returning from that World Championship team to defend the crown.
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  Speaker 1: I mean from a year ago at this time to now,
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  Speaker 1: what's going to be the difference in the strut between
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  Speaker 1: these players on this roster coming in as World champs.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's Mike McDonald and the staff's job is to
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  Speaker 3: take the strut out of them and to.
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  Speaker 6: Make sure that they While they.
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  Speaker 3: Want continuity, and obviously with forty nine to fifty three
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  Speaker 3: players eighty six percent of their snaps coming back, they
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  Speaker 3: want continuity, they also want a new mission, new, a
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  Speaker 3: sense of new. They don't want this to think there's
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  Speaker 3: just because they won the Super Bowl they automatically are
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  Speaker 3: granted three wins to start the seat. That's not how
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  Speaker 3: sports work. So this is different. It's a new challenge.
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  Speaker 3: And now the challenge is can you do it again
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  Speaker 3: when the entire league has studied you, when your own
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  Speaker 3: division rival has restocked and has become what everyone else
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  Speaker 3: thinks is the Super Bowl favorite? And the Rams and
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  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald's talked about perfecting the process, taking what they
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  Speaker 3: did last year and making it even better. Making the
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: players integral to how the team is coached, what the
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  Speaker 3: approaches they have, the messaging they have, what they're like
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  Speaker 3: on third down, what they're like in the red zone.
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  Speaker 3: This team wasn't very good in goal to go situations
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  Speaker 3: near the goal line. There are things to change and
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  Speaker 3: improve on. It's not just hey, let's roll the footballs out.
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  Speaker 3: We won the Super Bowl last year, We're.
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  Speaker 6: Going to win it again.
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  Speaker 3: So that's really what McDonald's job here is in training
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  Speaker 3: camp to set the baseline expectation that, NA, we've got
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  Speaker 3: a lot more to work on and perfect.
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  Speaker 6: And that's really what he's been saying all off season.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect this process we have, can we make it better?
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  Speaker 3: And he has the players input on that. The players
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  Speaker 3: have a lot to say. They have a leadership council,
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  Speaker 3: they have these walk and talks they talked to you
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  Speaker 3: about with coaches, talking about how do you want this
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  Speaker 3: team to be. He's really into tweaking, perfecting the process
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  Speaker 3: of all of this, and I think you're going to
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  Speaker 3: hear him say that the word process quite a bit
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  Speaker 3: over the next six weeks of camp.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: You know, not a lot of new faces, which on
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  Speaker 1: day number one of camp, just like day number one
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  Speaker 1: of school, you want to see the new kids that
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: have that have moved into your town that you've never
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  Speaker 1: met before. Well, our offensive coordinator is brand new. Is
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  Speaker 1: there a player and I'm not talking about rookies. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about ig Moonoghany or Fowler or anybody else that
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  Speaker 1: has a chance of becoming a bigger new face story
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  Speaker 1: than what Brian Florey is going to be from day
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  Speaker 1: number one of camp.
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  Speaker 3: Well, because of circumstance, Emmanuel Wilson, the running back from
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  Speaker 3: Green Bay, has a chance. I didn't see a ton
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  Speaker 3: from him in the OT's or mini camp to suggests
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  Speaker 3: he's going to have a prominent role, but they're still
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: learning about him and they won't really know. You don't
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  Speaker 3: know what running backs have until the pads are on
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  Speaker 3: and they're past blocking and they're run fitting with the
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  Speaker 3: offensive line against a defensive line and blocking all of that.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see that during training camps. Five hundred yard
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  Speaker 3: back who's got a minimum salary, non guaranteed one year contract,
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  Speaker 3: which doesn't pretend that he's going to be a big
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  Speaker 3: role player right Well, now, Kenny McIntosh is on Pisitvenia
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  Speaker 3: to perform. We know Zach Charbona is on the pup
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  Speaker 3: list and may not return to the middle of the season.
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  Speaker 3: There's two candidates for the lead back snaps that are
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  Speaker 3: not even going to be on the field and start
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  Speaker 3: a training camp and maybe not at all in training camp.
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  Speaker 3: So Wilson will have a chance, but he'll have George
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  Speaker 3: Holani with him. Of course, the rookie first round picked
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  Speaker 3: Didaran Price. Those are the guys that are right now
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: in front of him. But we've talked about this and
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: said this many times. Every NFL team, and especially the
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: Seahawks need more than two running backs. They just do
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: the position demands it. And I still remember about ten
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: years ago now the Seahawks had nineteen different ball carriers.
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  Speaker 6: In a regular season.
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  Speaker 3: So Emmanuelilson has a chance. And if he doesn't succeed
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  Speaker 3: and doesn't show them, he has a contract that's easily
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  Speaker 3: cuttable and they wouldn't lose anything from doing it. This
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  Speaker 3: is a big proving time for a guy like Emmanuel Wilson.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: Is it safe to say Ken Walker is going to
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: be the most difficult guy to replace of those that left,
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: or would you make an argument for Kobe Bryant or
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: Rieke Woolan or Boye Mafey.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: Well, not Woolan because of the depth in the secondary,
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: and you mentioned Nigmnogamy. He's a former starter in this
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  Speaker 3: league that arrived as a corner. They have Rodney Thomas
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: who plays some corner, but he mostly was a safety
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: and has started for the Colts that has come in
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: in the way of Kobe Bryant leaving to the Bears
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: and Boy Mafey's place is they're going to give Derek
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: call a more prominent role and have DeMarcus Lawrence on side.
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: On one edge, Jared Ivy has played. I saw him
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: playing defensive end and I asked McDonald at the end
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: of mini camp about that, and he says, Oh, I
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: don't pigeonhole Jared Ivy or any of our players in
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: the one position. He could play all over, meaning he
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: could play outside linebacker they played last year, and he
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: could also play defensive end. So yes, by not to
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: mention Brian Flurry is the reason he's the offensive coordinator
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: is because he's going to run the ball and outside
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: zone just like Clint Kubiak did. And he's from the
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: Shanahan Tree. So the fact that, yes, the offen is
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: gonna be predicated on running the ball, and you just
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: lost your lead running back that won the Super Bowl
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: MVP and tearing it up in the postseason. Yes, by
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: use and importance, it's that walker backfill is the most important,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why they spent a first round pick on
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: a running back.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: Our Seahoks inside of Greg Bell is with us. You
• 11:41
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• 11:43
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• 11:47
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• 11:51
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• 11:55
  Speaker 1: for the upcoming year if it's if it's expired, all right,
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: let's talk about a Barner I said, I was going
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: to bring this up to you. My expectation is that
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: he takes a step forward. I think that he has
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: the ability to be a pro bowler someday. I think
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: it's very reasonable that he's a seventy catch guy, seven
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: hundred yard guy this year, and he scored seven touchdowns
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: last year? Why not ten? That makes him a top
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: ten tight end in the National Football League? Are those
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: realistic expectations for Barner in his third year in this league?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, with the way that Flury will probably use a
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: tight end. Flurry's a former tight ends coach with the
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: forty nine er. That's what his job was last year,
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  Speaker 3: and Barner and the tight ends are already talking about
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: how tough Flurry is depending on the tight ends among
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: all the offensive positions. He's going to make it a
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  Speaker 3: focal point, and Barner had two surgeries in the offseason
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: on two issues in the shoulder and ankle that were
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  Speaker 3: bothering him as he played through it. He didn't make
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: him as an excuse because.
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  Speaker 6: He's an Ohio guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's not going to do that. But he is definitely
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  Speaker 3: how than he was at the end of last season
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  Speaker 3: when he was still excelling through the playoffs in the
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. He thinks he's going to be an all Pro.
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: He thinks he's an all Pro tight end. He thinks
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: he's one of the best tight ends in the league
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  Speaker 3: right now, and he talks about that openly. He's in
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  Speaker 3: an offense that can give him every opportunity to do that.
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to be healthier and more productive
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: because of that, being able to separate down the field
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: and get away from safeties and linebackers. If he can
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: get safeties and linebackers on him when he's in full health,
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  Speaker 3: he has a chance to have a big season and
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  Speaker 3: make defenses rethink on who they allocate to cover him,
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: and then that opens things up outside for even more
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  Speaker 3: for Smith and Jigba and Cup and the rest of them.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the Seahawks offense in the past. Game
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  Speaker 3: is going to have Barner more involved than last year.
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  Speaker 3: Barner's value to them is he can play every down
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  Speaker 3: and be a run blocker as well as and do
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  Speaker 3: it as well as catching the ball. It's interesting that
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  Speaker 3: aj Barner is getting healthy at the time that he's
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: got a tight ends coach as an offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: News Tribune dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for bringing it up.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Yeap, All right, let's get the latest on Witherspoon. Then,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: as we sit here twenty four hours from camp beginning,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna have to ask you about Devin Witherspoon
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: every time I see you here for the next few
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: days until we have a deal. So where are we
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: at right now?
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  Speaker 3: Well, all indications are that veterans are coming in in mass,
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: most of them here today. The deadline to report is today,
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: so face to face would accelerate any remaining contract talks
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  Speaker 3: in details. When surprise me. If his agents are already
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: in town, they this should be done soon, and I
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: mean within days. It wouldn't surprise me if it happens
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: over the weekend. The Seahawks tend to make news on
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: a Saturday afternoon when I'm doing something else. But now
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: we're all going to be at Seahawks headquarters. So yeah,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: I can think of Wilson's extension and Sherman's and Bobby Wagner,
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: and make no mistake, I'm mentioning them because Devin Witherspoon
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: is the modern day version of those guys. To the
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: value of this team.
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: And those guys all before.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Signed within days, I mean like one or two or
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: three days of camp starting. So we're talking Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Again,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: we'll decide whether it's done or not. Is when the
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: guaranteed money comes due. When is he getting it up from?
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: How much is guaranteed it's signing, how much is guaranteed
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: next year? The fifth day of the league year is
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: the common for the next round of guarantees on a deal.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: How much of the signing bonus. How much is the
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: total percentage of contract value guaranteed? Those are the metrics
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: that are mean everything to an NFL player in a
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: league that nothing is guaranteed. Be on your next snap.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: So that's the details. I expected to be thirty one
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: million a year plus, which eclipse Trent Duffy as the
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: highest page cornerback in the league. And I expect Christian
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Gonzalez in New England, who has the same agent as
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon, to be waiting and watch Devin Witherspoon reset
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: the market here in a few days.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: When's Greg Bell's the wedding anniversary. Let's announce the news.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Then let's really shake.
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  Speaker 3: It happened July fourth, our twenty ninth anniversary.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Actually is that right?
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  Speaker 6: Trust?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: So it won't be then?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: What is is Greg Bell's daughter getting married anytime soon?
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Let's announce the weather scow, don't.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Even put that out there.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: What do you talk about?
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: You know what, I won't even have a job anymore
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: when Sarah Bell gets married twenty years from now, up
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  Speaker 3: my way, old.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's probably the scariest thing you've ever brought up
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  Speaker 3: to me in the air. That's that's a horrid thought
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  Speaker 3: for me.
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  Speaker 6: Share a steady boyfriend it of me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My wife's listening right now, and she's probably like, oh boy,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: she gave the one subject you could have brought up.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: That's my little girl. My little girl doesn't.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Get married, right, Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, my dad
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: out there when the daughter knows what I'm talking.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: About, Well, are you ready? Are we ready to get
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: this thing going along?
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: To do this?
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, let's do that. He's gonna be out there.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: You just gonna wait till Monday.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I might get out It depends on
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: what else is going on. Uh. I've got people traveling
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: in town potentially h this weekend. But but yeah, I
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: might get out there, but certainly Monday, I'll certainly see
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: you one Monday.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: No, gang will be out there Monday. That's right.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: That's right, all right, man, Thank youppreciate it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: Happy weekend, Thank you.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Greg Bell? All right, Greg Bell joining us and yes,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: he'll be on at ten o'clock here this morning, our
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Seahawks insider joining us and he is back for another
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: full season, so excited about that. And if you want
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to hear him today I'm sure he's got more information
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: on even worri Weatherspoon, all sorts of things plus hard
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: knocks coming up today at ten o'clock. Also, hopefully he's
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: going to go hang out with his wife for a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: little while. I would hope so, because I'm going to
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: talk about I'm going to talk about his I'm nervous
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Dan Wilson's bullpen decisions because Greg tends to disagree with.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Me on this.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, that's what we're going to do next.
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: And yeah, go chat with go chat with Wendy.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: You know that's the thing about Greg Bell is when
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: it comes to his baseball knowledge, he is a great
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: football guy. Oh God, Katy, Greg, I'm kidding Greg, but
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I am. I am. I am going to pick apart
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit his argument for Dan and against Jerry
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: because I feel the exact opposite way as many of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you know. And I think there's some texture that I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: might be able to bring to this conversation. Next Sports
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM. I'll be honest
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: with you, the first time I never met Cheryl Swoops,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that we could have created.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: That kind of bomb.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You instantly I didn't.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I did not realize that. Well, all the times that
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I never met her, I did not realize that we
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: had that kind of relationship. So anyway, but now you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: so do I have to buy her like a birthday card?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what would you buy your girl
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: a birthday card?
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably one there make one?
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Oh that would even be better.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Handmade card, and some socks. Hand makes some socks.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, girls get socks.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Girls do like socks, like keeping those feet warm out here. Yep. Well,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: great morning to you. It is Chuck and Ashley with you.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: We've got the o Jo coming up at eight o'clock.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Kevin Callabro's joining us today at nine. We've got a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: training camp preview that we're providing. We've got a Rangers
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Mariners preview that we're providing. But I did want to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: spend some time and this is the fattest segment given
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to me today to talk about the bullpen. Obviously, I've
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: made it pretty clear that I'm very frustrated with Dan Wilson,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and obviously there are some people out there that are
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: very frustrated with Jerry Depoto making life miserable for Dan
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Wilson tying his hands behind his back. As I mentioned,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Craig Bell's one of those. I'm on the other side, Yeah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: very clearly on the other side. And I wanted to
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: dive into it a little bit because I did hear
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Greg say something yesterday about how you only have four
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: pitchers and everybody is everybody else is a triple A pitcher. Yeah,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much every team in Major League Baseball every
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: single year, right, I mean, that's kind of how it works.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I mean when we started spring training, Jerry did have
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: when we came out of spring training the idea that
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: everybody was a major league caliber pitcher in our bullpen.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: But that was with Cooper Criswell, and that was with
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Carlos Vargas, who's not been healthy all season long, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: then obviously with Matt Brash included in all of that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: as well. So you just can't sign eleven relievers in
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the offseason. You don't have the roster spots, and nobody
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: who is of quality is going to sign a major
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: league contract with a team unless they've got an opportunity
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to be on the major league roster, you know. So
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it's impossible. It's like, it's literally like impossible. To have
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: covered all your basis that when you lose a pitcher
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to injury, that you have another major league caliber, experienced,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: quality reliever ready to go stashed somewhere in a closet
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: down in Peoria, like no you. Everybody does this. I mean,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers do this. The Dodgers' bullpen right now is
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: filled with guys name Klein and Hurt and Hernandez who
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: have been pressed into action because guys like Edwin Diaz
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and others are injured and they had to reach down
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to their minor leagues to find guys to come up
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and help their major league team. There just aren't enough
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: roster spots, and you can't stash that many major leaguers
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: down in your farm system, and you can't trade for
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a replacement every time a relief pitcher gets injured. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: so every team operates this way, and I think there
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: are a lot of people holding Jerry to Poto to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: an impossible standard when it comes to roster construction. Nobody
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: constructs their roster to have an endless supply of major
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: league caliber, really good relievers ready to go. This organization.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are a few things that you can't
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: really deny about the Mariners. They draft really well in
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the Depoto era, and they find diamonds in the rough
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: all the time in their bullpen. I don't know if
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: we found one this year. This doesn't seem to be
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I kind of like Dvila. I don't like Rucker Hoppy.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I thought had some talent, but he just wasn't He
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: just wasn't successful. I don't think he could control or command,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and he needed to go down and continue his development.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: But that's why I keep saying this over and over.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: The roster is not the problem. We are fifty one
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and fifty two in Las Vegas still has the Mariners
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: as a top five odds to win the World Series.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: What does that tell you? That means that people across
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the country are looking at this roster and saying, when
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that team gets it together, watch out.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: By sure, we have plus thirteen hundred odds to win
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the World Series right now. The Texas Rangers, who lead
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: us by a half a game, who we play tonight,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: plus three thousand. That's Vegas telling you those two teams
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: aren't even close. Why are they close in the standings.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Jim Boden just told us earlier this week he says
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the Mariners should run away with this division, whether they
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: make a trade at all before the trading deadline.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: That's what he said. Jim Boden knows this stuff. He's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: been a general manager. He evaluates this and there's very
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: few people that aren't putting the Mariners at this point
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: in the season on their list of most disappointing teams
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: this year. Why are they doing that. It's because people
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: look at the roster, look at the talent and cannot
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: fathom why they are fifty one and fifty two. The
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: talent is there, and that's the front off job. Give
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: me the talent, and then it is the job of
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the managers and the coaches to then get the most
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: out of that talent. And that's where my Dan Wilson
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: issue lies. The pen is good. We have a top
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: five bullpen. For everybody that's running wild with the narrative
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that are bullpen stinks, it doesn't. We have a top
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: five statistical bullpen over one hundred games into the season.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: The pen is also not overworked. We have the fewest
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: innings pitched by our bullpen by twenty innings in Major
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: League Baseball, so not only is our pen good, not
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: only is it not overworked. Why are we having such
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a difficult time filling games? It's the utilization of the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: resources that's the problem. High leverage versus low leverage. As
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I said, every single team out there is working with
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a few guys, guys that they had to call up
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: from the minor leagues to try to get them through
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: this season. Everybody does it, and everybody has high leverage
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: guys they count on and low leverage guys that they use.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And sometimes the low leverage guys have to be used
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in high leverage situations because you're winning so consistently that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the high leverage guys have been used up and you
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: need to give them a break, and so a low
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: leverage guy has to come through on occasion in a
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: high leverage situation. But way too much this year for
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a team that's not winning consistently, that's bullpen is rested
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: compared to everybody else. Are we ending up with low
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: leverage pitchers and high leverage situations and it's totally avoidable,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Like four good relievers should be enough for any major
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: league team, four reliable I can count on that guy relievers.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: We have four of them when brash returns. We're gonna
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have five we currently have on our roster. And this
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: according to Baseball References War. This isn't Fangrafts, and I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: like fangraf War a little bit better. But from a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: research standpoint, it's easier to find the numbers that I need.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: But according to Baseball Reference War, we have four relievers
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: with a point six war or higher, four of them. Now,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that might not sound like much to you. The Los
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Angeles Dodgers have three, the Yankees only have four, The
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Guardians only have four. The Tampa Bay Rays only have three.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And that's what they're known for, is finding bullpen pieces.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: They only have three. The Chicago Cubs have two, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: they are twelve games over five hundred that. We have
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: plenty of talent in our bullpen, four guys that you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: can count on as a luxury. It's not a shortcoming.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Very few teams have four reliable guys coming out of
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: their bullpen. But it's how we use those four guys.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Gabe Speier has pitched in thirty two games this year,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: in eleven of them, a third of his games, he's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: worked less than an inning.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: That's absurd, right, Yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And we've pointed out the games where he pitched to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: just one batter. Most of those are just to one batter.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: One of them was one pitch. Yep. And yes, Jerry
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and Justin I believe do have a rule. Spire's got
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: an injury history. We don't want him pitching, sitting and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: pitching again, not yet, and we also kind of want
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to avoid him. Yeah, there are rules and those are
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: handed down, but don't tell me that that's a you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: know what the rule is. And Dan thinks that's a
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: good utilization of what he believes are limited resources is
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to use Gabe Spire, who is at times this year
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: been our best reliever for an out or two at
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the most. That's a total waste of resources. Gabe Spire
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: in a seventeen day stretch in the month of June,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: while healthy, not on the injury list, while healthy, was
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: used a grand total of three times by Dan Wilson,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a grand total of an inning and a third. That
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is an out every four and a quarter days that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: we got from our best reliever at the time when
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Andres was struggling a little bit. That's how much use
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: we got out of our best reliever. Yeah, Matt Brash,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: remember Matt Brash. Remember when I used to make this
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: complain about Matt Brash because it was happening twenty games
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: this year, six of them he hasn't worked a full inning.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Don't sit there and tell me that he doesn't have
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: enough good relief pitchers. When he takes the ones that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: he does have and he only uses them for a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: fraction of an inning, no wonder, you're running out of
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: bullpen pieces. If you're that strapped, then how on earth
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: are you ending up with using just one out from
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Gabe Spire when you have nine outs to get before
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the end of the game. The starting pitching has been
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: brilliant as of late, and we're still running into this problem.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: The starting pitching has been better coming. Starting pitching's already
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: taxing their bullpen the least in Major League Baseball, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: they've been even better since we came out of the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: All Star Break and we had five days off to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: rest everyone. And yet in a one run game, we're
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: not using one of our high leverage relievers. We're using
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Mike Rucker after deciding to use Jose Ferrer the inning before,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: two moves to suggest you're going for the victory. Let's
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: bring Julio off the bench, even though apparently he's hurt,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and let's use Ferrer in the eighth. But then when
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: we get closer, and those two, those two moves worked
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: to get us within a run when we started down three.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Let's abandon that and let's go with a guy that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: cannot succeed in high leverage situations in Mike Rucker, who
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: pitched the night before, who did pitch the night before.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: And now we didn't end up using Munos at all.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: We didn't end up using Spire at all. And we
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: have a day off. We technically have two and a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: half days off. Played Wednesday, don't play Wednesday afternoon, don't
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: play again until Friday night. And I got a four
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: game series with the Texas Rangers, which is important, But
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: there was no amount of use in that series against
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reds that was gonna keep Muno's Spire and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Bizardo and Ferrera from being healthy and ready to go
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: because of that long stretch of two days without pitching.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: They were all gonna be ready by Friday, whether you
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: use them all three games of that Red series. So
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm talking about. I think it is
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: a gross misuse if I'm to believe, and I don't
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: believe this, that we have a shortage of bullpen resources. Boy,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: we sure are wasting those resources that we do have,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: grossly wasting the resources that we do have. So that's
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: why I'm saying, I mean, I'm not just picking on
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Dan Wilson. This is nothing personal. I mean, Dan Wilson's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: are very nice guys, very nice to me. He might
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: be nicer to me than Jerry and Justin. But I'll
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: tell you that there is no way that I'm gonna
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: place the blame at Jerry's feet. Even the rules that
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: they come up with, and I'm sure there are a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: lot of them. I know that they don't want their
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: guys to sit then go back out and start another inning.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: But it's Dan that's choosing to use those resources for
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: a fraction of an inning rather than activating them the
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: next inning. I will say this for Greg, I do
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: agree with this point, Like, if you're going to go
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: to a six man rotation, you do have to ask
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: your starting pitchers to do a little bit more since
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: they're getting an extra day rest. And we're not doing
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that either, And that's not coming down from on high either.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: No, we're pulling them after five innings and eighty pitches.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: We pulled George Kirby at eighty pitches, and then the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: next night we thought, well, Castillo had the same amount
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: of time, but he can go one hundred. I mean,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: it's just all over the place. No logic applied to it,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: no consistency, that's a good word for it, applied to it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And that's why I have a frustration. I think that
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: there are probably too many rules. I'll give everybody that,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and I know that they but so does every major
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: league team. Every front office has rules for usage. And
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: by the way, our pitchers stay healthy better at a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: better rate than everybody else's. Everybody else is in the sport.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: That's why they have the usage rules. They want to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: keep them healthy. But I do believe we have too
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: many rules. I think we are to the point in
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the season where somebody can sit, get back up and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: start the next inning. I don't think that that's out
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: of the question as a matter of fact, not only
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: out of the question, it should be happening right now.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: So Andres should be able to get a six out
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: save on an occasion when we need it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, he could do it last year we are.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: To that point in the season, so I do think
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: they need to loosen the rules. But if you're gonna
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: have it, you know, if you're going to claim that
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you're hamstrung by the rules, then why are you not
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: using the resources that you do have to full effect.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Just too many games where we're ending up with our
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: low leverage guys pitching in high leverage situations because we're
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: trying to win the next day before we try to
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: win the current day. And I don't think that's coming
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: from the front office. I think that's coming from the dugout.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Coming up next on the radio program, we will preview
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: this big series. What are the Rangers doing well? And
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: where do they stink? Sports Radio ninety three point three
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: KJRFM Ojoe at the top of the hour, looking forward
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to the O Show Today. Good stuff today in the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: show eight Top Stories of the day coming up at
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock plus or cash Word. You know what, I
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: do want to say one other thing. There was one
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: other part of that that I wanted to cover, and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: as I was getting ready in the last segment to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: like bring it home, I'm like I forgot So I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: pretty much just kind of abandoned it before I got
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to the final point that I wanted to make, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that was I'm really a results I'm not really a
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: results oriented kind of host, analyst, whatever, whatever you want
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to call me. I mean, obviously we all look at
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: when you are what you are at the end of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the day, right I mean, we are a fifty one
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and fifty two baseball team right now, That's what we are.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: So it's all about results. But I'm talking about when
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you make a decision, like, for example, if we had
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: bases loaded one out in the eighth inning and Julio
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez was coming to the plate and Dan Wilson decided
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to pinch hit Logan Gilbert instead, and Gilbert somehow slaps
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a single through the right side of the infield, two
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: runs score, we win, close it out in the ninth,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and we win the baseball game. That was not a
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: good decision, right, but it did work out.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: It worked out in his favor right, same way the.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Way around, Like if Mitch Garver was coming up and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: it was bases loaded one out in the eighth and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Dan said, hey, we got it. They just moved to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: a righty. Jacob Junis pitches tonight they bring him into
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the out of the bullpen a right hander, and he
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: pinches Rayley and Rayley hits into a double play. Yeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the result was terrible, but the decision was the right decision.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I'm more about analyzing the decision, and sometimes it just
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't turn out that way. Long way of saying, like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't blame Jerry and Justin for Rob Refsneinder. The
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: preponderance of evidence suggested that he could hit left handers.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: He had this special ability to hit lefties, and it
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: was the most recent opportunity we had to collect that evidence.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: He was still hitting lefties. There was no more evidence
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that was provided that he had stopped being able to
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: hit left handers. I don't blame them for that bad decision. Now,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I will blame them if they don't RECOGNI it's not
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: working and they stick with it until the end of
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the year, that I will blame. Now, now we're talking
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: about now you're okay, wasn't a bad decision. It turned
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: out bad, But now you got time to make another
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: decision and figure out how to get better. And I
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: don't think you can trust that ref Snyder's gonna find
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the magical cure here in the second.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Half doesn't seem like it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So I am a lot more about the time the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: decision was made. That's that's what I'm going to evaluate,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and as opposed to waiting till I get the result
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and then saying, man, that was dumb. That was dumb
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: not to trade cal Raleigh in the off season. I mean,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: when his stock couldn't have been higher, we should have
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: traded cal Raleigh in the off season.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Right, there's probably people that think that.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: But but there, but there are you see it. But
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'm using that as an exaggerated example.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just saying there's probably people that.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: For sure, I see it, But that's but that's what
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Yeah, there's no crystal ball GMing. You
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: can't do it that way. You can't say cal Rawley
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: just had maybe the best year in the history of
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Mariners baseball, but let's trade him because I know he's
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: gonna hit one sixty next.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Year, Right, He's gonna fall off.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, could you imagine the outcry at that point?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So I really am when evaluating stuff like this, I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: don't wait till the result is over to judge whether
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Dan made the right move or not. I don't wait
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: till the result is over to judge whether Jerry made
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the right move or not. I mean, I've criticized Jerry
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and Justin a lot for some of their decision. Donovan.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: The Donovan Solano offseason was a disaster. It was a
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: stupid idea to begin with, and it worked out even worse.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: That was terrible. I'll be honest with you, Brendan Donovan
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: was probably not a good decision. He never hit right
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: handers consistently, he has been injured a lot. He was
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: coming off an injury, and he doesn't have a defensive position,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and we made him a full time third baseman. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: even though he hit well for us, he didn't play defense.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: He's not available to us right now and we don't
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: know when he's going. That probably was not a great
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: decision this offseason going in. You know, now, I kind
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: of fell in love with the guy, having met him
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and saw the potential with him, no doubt about it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I'm just saying, I I don't just
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill somebody who's made a decision.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: If I wasn't killing him when the decision was made, right,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say man, that's a great move
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: right there. And then ref Snyder it's one twenty those
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: idiots signed Rob Refschneider. So that's again another reason why
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I have a bigger problem with Dan, because I don't
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: agree with the decisions in the moment and then they
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: don't turn.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: Out, right that thing, Yeah, you're gonna question it, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: if it turns out and be like, oh that was lucky,
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: that worked, but it doesn't stop you from having the
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: question when it happens. I mean, the other day bizarre
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: goes in, I'm like, Okay, that was a good move.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with it?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Did it work out?
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: No?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Was that Dan's fault?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: No, No, not at all exactly. Not only was it
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: not the wrong movie, it was I mean, somebody could argue, well,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: clearly was the wrong movie. Gave up three runs and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: we lost.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: No.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: At the time, with the information that he had, it
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: was the absolute movie.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I would have been mad if he would
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: have put someone else in, right, Yeah, yeah, so.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: You get my point? Yeah, all right O. Joe's Next
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