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SHOCK DISCOVERY: Who hurled infant girl down rocky ravine to die as coyotes prowled? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Clime Stories with Nancy Grease nine one one one kid
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  Speaker 1: that stammer, I'm come mercy, crowd like a little baby
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  Speaker 1: has been thrown off and we found it and a
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  Speaker 1: carry on the stream. It help? Okay, Ray slow down
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  Speaker 1: for me. Okay you say right, yes, playing the babies okay,
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  Speaker 1: feeling the woods. Okay, it's been thrown off in the
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  Speaker 1: thrown off in the wood. We have a double doveway
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  Speaker 1: hunt one diveway. I went there in my little water?
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  Speaker 1: Are you a common day behind off? My husband heard
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  Speaker 1: the wood and little scolders still open the whole. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what is it? What is it doing now? Dear Lord
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  Speaker 1: in heaven? Can you even imagine realizing an infant baby
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  Speaker 1: has been thrown down a deep ravine and you are
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  Speaker 1: the one to find it. Can you get to the baby?
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  Speaker 1: Can't you save the baby? Is the baby dead? That
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  Speaker 1: was a frantic nine one one call. Who would throw
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  Speaker 1: an infant baby down a steep ravine? Why? I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Is he grace? This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. We want answers. A tiny baby thrown
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  Speaker 1: down a ravine? Doesn't anybody know by now about save haven?
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  Speaker 1: You can leave a baby at a police station, have
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  Speaker 1: fired up a church. They're all over the place. No
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  Speaker 1: questions asked. You won't get in trouble. Why would you
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  Speaker 1: want to kill the baby? Throw the baby off live
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  Speaker 1: and let it lay at the bottom of a ravine
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  Speaker 1: till it's dead or animals tear it apart. Oh oh oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're looking at this morning again. Welcome everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just beside myself joining me an all star panel.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of California at doctor Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Stephen Lampley, detective Stephen Lampley dot com,
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  Speaker 1: high profile defense lawyer Troy Slaton out of California, Crack
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  Speaker 1: reporter from WSPA TV Stephanie Borneman, and two special guests.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to you, Stephanie Boorman. I'm beside myself. I'm
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  Speaker 1: beside myself. Tell me about this area. I want to
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  Speaker 1: hear about the area itself first and then about the ravine.
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  Speaker 1: The area was really remote. I mean it was off
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  Speaker 1: a main highway. There was not really a lot of
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  Speaker 1: street lights. I mean it was pretty deep outpast the
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  Speaker 1: actual town where everything happened. I mean one of the
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  Speaker 1: roads was even a gravel road. Well, you're talking to
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  Speaker 1: someone that was raised up. I'm not even in a city,
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  Speaker 1: out in an unincorporated area of a rural county in
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  Speaker 1: the very center of Georgia, so I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of our roads were red dirt. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: even have gravel, for Pete's sake. So I'm talking right
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  Speaker 1: now to WSPA TV's reporter Stephanie Boorman, who has traveled
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  Speaker 1: to look at this ravine and reporting back to us
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  Speaker 1: about what happened. And I want to clarify something. When
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  Speaker 1: we heard that nine one one call at the very
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  Speaker 1: very beginning, that's actually a woman on nine one one,
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  Speaker 1: but the Sheriff's office has distorted the sound to discus
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  Speaker 1: the identity of the person. I'm just beside myself back
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  Speaker 1: to you, Stephanie Boorman, about who would throw a baby
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  Speaker 1: down or a vein. Now you're telling me that this
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  Speaker 1: was in a very rural area, and it's there in
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina, in Henderson County, as I understand, Is that correct? Yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: Henderson County, North Carolina. Now, for those that are not
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  Speaker 1: familiar with North Carolina, let me do it relationally. Like
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  Speaker 1: people say Where is your dad from? I say, well,
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  Speaker 1: he's from hay Cody, Alabama, and that's an Indian name,
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  Speaker 1: and that's near up and that's near Enterprise, and that's
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  Speaker 1: not far from Mobile. Because you have to relate, relate, relate.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you can say a name that people will identify.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me. Tell me where is Henderson County. I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to get an idea of what this place looks like.
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  Speaker 1: So this is in western North Carolina, and I would
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  Speaker 1: say it's probably about forty five minutes to an hour
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  Speaker 1: from the biggest city is Asheville. Oh yes, beautiful, beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: What that means is rolling hills, mountains, very densely wooded areas,
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  Speaker 1: the kind of place where you could throw a tiny
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  Speaker 1: baby and it could scream its lungs out and nobody
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  Speaker 1: would hear. Ah. You know, Troy, I've seen a lot
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  Speaker 1: of hardened criminals in my lifetime, and I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I hope to help put a lot more of them
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  Speaker 1: behind bars. But to do such a thing to a
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  Speaker 1: defenseless baby, you know, there's a special place in hell
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  Speaker 1: for somebody like that. I mean, think about it, Troy Slayton.
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  Speaker 1: Because somebody heard the crying so the baby was alive
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  Speaker 1: when it was flung down a ravine. And then if
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  Speaker 1: you hear the nine one one caller, the baby quits crying.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody threw that baby down a ravine alive for it
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  Speaker 1: to fall to the bottom and die and animals tear
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  Speaker 1: it apart. That is the mindset of whoever did this.
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  Speaker 1: So don't tell me, Troy Slayton, that the baby somehow
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  Speaker 1: got away and crawled and flung itself down a ravine.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go there, Troy. But I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 1: certain mentality, Troy. Whoever would do that to a defenseless child.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, Nancy, there's a special place in hell for
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  Speaker 1: a person like that. But we don't know yet the
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  Speaker 1: circumstances that led to that baby being at the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the ravine. And the baby may have been in
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  Speaker 1: its child safety seat at the bottom of the ravine. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what does that make a difference to me?
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethaby Marshall, you're the shrink, and boy, do I
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  Speaker 1: need a shrink right now? What difference does it make
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  Speaker 1: to me is somebody throws the baby down the ravine,
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  Speaker 1: in or not in a car seat, is still at
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  Speaker 1: the bottom of the ravine, dead, soon to be dead,
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  Speaker 1: or waiting to be picked apart by animals. I mean
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about rural, rural North Carolina. We just
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  Speaker 1: heard Stephanie Boorman from WSPA to describe the area. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: do I care? That's like, you know, choose in between
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  Speaker 1: arsenic and cyanide and Nancy, this is a seven week
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  Speaker 1: old baby. To put it in context, the ravine is
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  Speaker 1: seventy five feet deep. Can you imagine all the brush,
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  Speaker 1: the underbrush, the animals, all of the potential dangers. You
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  Speaker 1: asked Twyce Clayton. Who would have done this? While number
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  Speaker 1: one whoever did this is not bonded with the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Could be for multiple reasons, a mother that doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: the baby, kidnappers who took the baby, a pedophile who
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  Speaker 1: snatched the baby, abused the baby, and then didn't want
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  Speaker 1: it anymore. But we know from statistics that most children
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  Speaker 1: and babies who are abducted are abducted at the hands
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  Speaker 1: of non custodial caretakers. That is, people in the baby's
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  Speaker 1: extended family who have some form of interest or attachment
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  Speaker 1: interest in or attachment to the baby, but they don't
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  Speaker 1: have rights to the baby. They're not allowed to be
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  Speaker 1: alone with the baby. They're not allowed to take the
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  Speaker 1: baby out on an outing. Seven weeks old, seven weeks old.
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  Speaker 1: My twins, Stephanie Boorman, were born extremely premature, and it
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  Speaker 1: was my goal every day to just keep them alive.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter Lucy was born at two pounds two pounds.
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  Speaker 1: She was the size of a little kitten, and every
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  Speaker 1: day I would feed her and feed her and feed
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  Speaker 1: her and should throw up. She couldn't keep it down.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, And I'm thinking about them. At seven
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  Speaker 1: weeks I remember holding the little heads in my left
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  Speaker 1: hand and trying to pour warm water over him, trying
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  Speaker 1: to give them a bath, and they couldn't hold their
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  Speaker 1: little heads up because they were so tiny and premature.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about somebody throwing this baby down
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  Speaker 1: that ravine. Stephanie Boorman, unlike any of the other people
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  Speaker 1: we've spoken to so far, including myself, we haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: the ravine. Tell me about it, Stephanie Boorman. When we
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  Speaker 1: got there to check it out, I mean, seventy five
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  Speaker 1: feet just completely just wood brush everywhere. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: was terrified that there might have been snakes in there.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, okay, you said, oh right,
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  Speaker 1: you playing? Okay, okay, thrown off in the thrown off
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  Speaker 1: in the wood. We have a double drive? Was one drive? Work? Im? Okay? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: What is it? What is it doing? Now? Is it? Call? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: When I hear that nine on one call, it gives
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  Speaker 1: me chills up and down my spine. You are hearing
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  Speaker 1: a desperate caller calling nine one one after they realize
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  Speaker 1: a baby has been thrown down a ravein a seven
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  Speaker 1: week old baby girl and the you can't really understand
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  Speaker 1: everything the caller is saying. It's actually a woman calling
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  Speaker 1: in nine one one because the callers voice has been
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  Speaker 1: distorted to protect the identity of the caller. But this
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  Speaker 1: is what we know. A baby thrown down a remote
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  Speaker 1: ravine in western North Carolina, a seventy five foot ravine
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  Speaker 1: there in Henderson County. What more do we know? Joining
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  Speaker 1: me right now two very special guests, Cheryl and Scott Fowler,
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  Speaker 1: who actually found the baby. I want to go first
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  Speaker 1: to Cheryl Fowler. Welcome and God bless you, God bless you.
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  Speaker 1: And Scott Fowler. Tell me what happened that morning? Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was late nationnoon. I was taking my husband supper
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  Speaker 1: down to the bottom of the road. He was on
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  Speaker 1: stuff and its nuptucking get his supper. And when I
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  Speaker 1: cut the car off, I thought I heard a baby
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  Speaker 1: crying off, way off in the distance, and oh, SHOT's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: I just couldn't imagine a child in those woods, in
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  Speaker 1: that den theater. There shouldn't been anyone. Hold on right there,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, Cheryl. It's like when you hear it, you
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  Speaker 1: know it's a baby, there's no mistaking it. And you
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  Speaker 1: look around and there's nothing but woods, very dense woods,
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  Speaker 1: a deep ravine, and out of nowhere you hear a
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  Speaker 1: baby and you know immediately that's not right. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: such a loud screaming and so I couldn't really tail.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a shrill. We've had a turkey been
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  Speaker 1: hurting down in the areas, broke his leg. We've been
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  Speaker 1: trying to catch him. And I thought it was screaming
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  Speaker 1: in pain, like something a hold of it. So I
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  Speaker 1: called my daughter at home as a police come in here.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody's hurting a baby. I believe it's a baby. I
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  Speaker 1: can't tail, but it sounds like a scream of a baby.
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  Speaker 1: So she come running down there in her car, and
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  Speaker 1: she started walking up the road. She walked probably three
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  Speaker 1: hundred and three hundrewenty feet, so she screamed, oh my god, Daddy,
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  Speaker 1: get up here. There's a car sit down in the woods.
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  Speaker 1: And he took off up the other driveway. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm drinking from the fire hydrant. It's
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  Speaker 1: so much at once. Okay, so you hear it, you
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  Speaker 1: call your daughter. She starts walking up and down the street. Now,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, did you say you were taking food
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  Speaker 1: out to your husband to eat in a truck. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't n truck, So he's gonna work late that night.
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  Speaker 1: So I took his supper down and made him at
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  Speaker 1: the highway so he'd go on to work, which I
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  Speaker 1: never do that. You know what you just reminded me of.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Oh, okay, I'm gonna come back to the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you just said you never do that. When
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  Speaker 1: we were growing up, my father, as many people know,
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  Speaker 1: worked for the railroad and he was an agent, a
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  Speaker 1: freight agent. He wasn't sitting up in some high rise office.
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  Speaker 1: He's a freight agent. And my mother would get all
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  Speaker 1: of us in the car and when he was in
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  Speaker 1: town and not working a mobile route where he had
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  Speaker 1: to travel. We would take him as supper every night,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember, should make would I'd make the tea,
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  Speaker 1: not the instant kind, they kind you had to boil,
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  Speaker 1: and you put in the sugar and all that and
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  Speaker 1: in a mason jar and would cover the top with
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  Speaker 1: wax paper and a rubber band, and should make him
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  Speaker 1: a plate. We didn't have any tupperware, of course, and
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  Speaker 1: it'd be on a plate, covered up, and we'd go
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  Speaker 1: to the freight depot and we'd all go in and
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  Speaker 1: would sit there while he worked and ate, and then
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  Speaker 1: we'd leave and go home and we would eat. And
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  Speaker 1: I was just you just triggered that memory. I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: thought of that in so long. So you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: you didn't normally go out to the road and meet him.
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  Speaker 1: So this was to give him a supper so he
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  Speaker 1: could be on his way. Yeah, I never do that. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: he's a lucky man if he even did it one time.
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  Speaker 1: Her husband's always shocked. If I cook something, I think
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  Speaker 1: he's all right, what's up? Never to that spot set
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  Speaker 1: on him? Never really then, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: you and I have very very different opinions on heaven,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I'm telling you this was a divine,
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  Speaker 1: a divine moment because she has never done this before.
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  Speaker 1: She's never done it since she's never gone to that
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  Speaker 1: spot to take him his dinner, for him to just
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  Speaker 1: pick it up and keep going. And I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that's a providence. I really do, Nancy. I thought we
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  Speaker 1: had the same idea as on heaven because I thought
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  Speaker 1: we would still be friends when we get to the
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  Speaker 1: other side. So I actually, yeah, I'll finally get to
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  Speaker 1: sit Dan. I'll let you shrink me. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: time right now, but we will have time once we rest.
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  Speaker 1: I will say the idea that she heard a baby
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  Speaker 1: crying in a remote area where she has never been before.
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  Speaker 1: And you're right. Mothers know when they hear a baby,
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  Speaker 1: they know what that sounds sounds like. But still she
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  Speaker 1: could have dismissed it. There is something quite divine and providential.
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  Speaker 1: That baby had a grandmother or grandfather looking over the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody on the other side was watching God. Whatever faith
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  Speaker 1: you are when you're listening to this program, this baby
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to live. This is what I think and
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  Speaker 1: this is why she heard the baby. I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 1: just overwhelmed with Cheryl Fowler and what she's saying right now. So, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: your your daughter comes walking up and down, you said,
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  Speaker 1: I think about three hundred feet back and forth. And
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  Speaker 1: then what happens, Scams Daddy get up here. There's a
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  Speaker 1: car sleet in the wood. She could see it from
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  Speaker 1: down in the bottom the way she was coming up.
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  Speaker 1: So he immediately went up towards she of that, And
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  Speaker 1: I got my car and went up and I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: see down in there where he was at, so would
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  Speaker 1: but he could see it from his side. So he
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  Speaker 1: just took off after it and went down and there
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  Speaker 1: and got and she was up under a rock. Parsley,
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait minute, your husband, Scott Fowler gets
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  Speaker 1: out of the truck and he scrambles down a seventy
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  Speaker 1: five foot ravine. Oh yeah, well you better hold on
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  Speaker 1: to him. I was about to tell him how lucky
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  Speaker 1: he is to have you cooking his supper, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: just so impressed by the two of you. So he
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  Speaker 1: gets out of the truck and goes down a seventy
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  Speaker 1: five foot ravine and joining me right now Cheryl Fowler's husband,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Fowler, Miss Fulla, thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. I want to hear it from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: What happened. Well, first of all, I've got a good wife,
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  Speaker 1: you sure do. My wife's been a ill was cloroderma
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  Speaker 1: for about fourteen years, and she has trouble breathing and
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  Speaker 1: and she takes good care of me. You know what.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are so blessed. And I also want to
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  Speaker 1: tell you, which is neither here nor there, But I
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  Speaker 1: love your accents. I get so much grief about my accent,
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  Speaker 1: and I always say what accent? But I love your accents.
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  Speaker 1: I can listen to you talk all day long. Now
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  Speaker 1: start at the beginning. Tell me what happens, Scott. Well,
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  Speaker 1: just like you said, thanks, It's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: where the grace of God put us al where we
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  Speaker 1: need to be. Because I was working late that night.
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  Speaker 1: I do heavy construction work, Bill Rose, and I happen
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  Speaker 1: to be in my old dump truck that day and
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  Speaker 1: my wife Colin says, God, if you'll come by the driveway,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you some supper because it was gonna rain.
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  Speaker 1: And we're always trying to beat this rain in construction.
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  Speaker 1: So I pulled in there where she'd parked our tend
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  Speaker 1: of my driveway. And and we live kind in in
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  Speaker 1: rural North Carolina, but we're not too far from Hendersonville
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  Speaker 1: r ashwell, but there is a house in development next
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  Speaker 1: door to us over here. It's in the mountains though.
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  Speaker 1: But I pulled in and my wife was out of
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  Speaker 1: the car with my daughter, and I could tell she
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  Speaker 1: was kind of motioning for me to cut my truck
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  Speaker 1: off that something was wrong. So I cut the truck off,
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  Speaker 1: and I got out and walked over to her, and
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  Speaker 1: she says, God, we hear a baby crying. And naturally,
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  Speaker 1: I looked at Sheryl and I said, Caryl, if you
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  Speaker 1: lost your mind, there can't be no baby crying here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's an animal or something out to
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  Speaker 1: our crow. And I started listing. By that time, my
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  Speaker 1: daughter started walking up my driveway to where she heard
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  Speaker 1: the noise the baby crying. And she was walking towards
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  Speaker 1: the baby crying, and I was watching her. And she
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  Speaker 1: gets up there to a point she bout this thumbles over,
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  Speaker 1: she sees the baby seat. She hollers, Oh my god, Daddy,
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  Speaker 1: get up here. So I jumped in her car. Her
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  Speaker 1: car was headed as differ direction when I backed back
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  Speaker 1: up my driveway to where she was and got out
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  Speaker 1: and walked over to her, and she had seen the
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  Speaker 1: babies uh the seat there, and I kind of got
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  Speaker 1: in a different position. I seen the baby crying, and
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  Speaker 1: if a baby hadn't have been crying, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that any of us would ever heard this baby. But babe,
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  Speaker 1: I just took off and went down in there and
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  Speaker 1: got the baby and got it. I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: leary about picking it up here for a minute and
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  Speaker 1: know if it's broke up too bad. And it was
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  Speaker 1: looking dead at me, and I could tell his skin
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  Speaker 1: up bruised up. It landed again a big rock and
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  Speaker 1: it's about half his body was up under a rocker,
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  Speaker 1: and I finally got my hand under her head. She
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  Speaker 1: was dressed in tanks, so I figured it was a
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  Speaker 1: little girl, and on its little ottle shirt right off
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the bat, I seen it said I love mama, And
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in my mind's already in a twist thinking how could
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: anybody already do I'm in shop because I can't think
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: how anybody could do this? And I finally got her
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: kind of underneath her backside there where I could wiggler
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: away from that rock, and I got her picked up
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: in my arm. And as soon as I got her
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: picked up, she uh, she quit crying, I mean right
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: off the bat, and it worried minute. I looked at
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: her and she was looking dead at me, like she's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: just okay, I'm safe now. And I picked I got
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: her in my arm good and grabbed a baby's seat
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and I just come back up in the driveway. Meantime
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: my wife's talking to nine one one on the phone,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and we get up here and we're dust in the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: baby's face off the dirt, and we can tell the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: baby's breathing good and looking at me dead and eyes
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the whole time. She's got the prettiest little blue eyes.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And bout that time. About ten minutes later, the sheriff
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of our county, Lord Griffin, he drove up first there
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: on the scene. He was one telling me about this laborage,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: story of her being kid napped, and all meantime, I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: ain't you know, I ain't really interested hearing about all
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that right down. But anyway, they got the baby there
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and m Mess showed up and start taking care of things.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: From that point on Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: child was discovered the child was out of the car seat. However,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: all are the indications lead us to believe that the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: child went over the bank in the car seat after
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: it hit the ground. Subsequently, the child rolled out of
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the car seat in Messiator said the mother is not
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the person who reported the kidnapping, but would not have
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: done that nine one one caller, They say the person
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: who called nine one one believed at the time that
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the mother and her daughter had been kidnapped. Wow, we
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: are bringing you a story out of North Carolina. I've
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: never heard anything like it. A woman happens to hear
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a baby in a very very remote rural area crying.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: She is alarmed, gets her daughter, gets her husband. The
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: husband scrambles down a seventy five foot ravine to say
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a seven week old baby girl joining me. Those two heroes,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Cheryl Fowler and Scott Fowler also with me right now,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: in addition to TROYE. Slayton, Stephen Lampley and Dctor Bethany Marshall.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Stephanie Borneman reported with w SPATV Stephanie Boorman, what did
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I just hear that the baby had been kidnapped, but
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the mother did not call nine one one, that's right.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: According to police, they received that first call around four
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: thirty on Thursday, May ninth about an alleged kidnapping of
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a mother and her seven week old from Biltmore Park,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: which is in Asheville. And what do we know about
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the circumstances about the alleged kidnap because the mother certainly
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't thrown down the ravine and it would be hell
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and high water to get me away from my twins.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So what were the circumstances surrounding the kidnap of the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: mother and the baby? So, recording to police, after that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: phone call came in, they rushed to Bilmore Park immediately
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: started questioning people if they saw anything. At that point,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: they began pinging the mother's phone and they were able
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to ping it to a location in the county over
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Henderson County, a location there. So Asheville Police immediately called
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Henderson deputies and after hold on, hold on, I'm trying
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to write everything you're saying, Stephanie Bourneman. I'm just so
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: happy to have you and Scott and Cheryl with us.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, let me bring you in right now, Crack detective.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: You can find him at Stephen Lampley dot com. Stephen. Now,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: they would want you to think it takes them forever
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to ping a phone, you know how investigations, I'm like,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: ping the phone, pinging the phone. They go, well, we
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: got to get the records, and we got to do this,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and we got to do that, b s. And now
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: we've got the proof. They pinged the mother's cell phone
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: right then and there? Did you hear what Stephanie Borneman
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: just said. My son was a employee at nine one one,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the supervisor and they had the capability to triangulate uh
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and ping uh they do? They do, Stephen. So when
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I hear that, and I hear people talking about it
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: on TV that that is not true, that it's absolutely
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: not true. Back to Stephanie Borman w SPA TV. Stephanie,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: so you're telling me the cops, the sheriffs in Biltmore
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Park they ping the phone of the mother that has
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: been kidnapped Kristin Noel Madden. And where did you tell
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: me that it's pinged? Two? Did they ping the phone
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to a location in Henderson County, which, like I said earlier,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: is between forty five to an hour from where the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: alleged kidnapping happened and builtmore park. So the Nashville Police
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: then you know, recruit helped from Henderson County Deputies to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: have them immediately go to this location where her phone
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: is being pinned to check it out. And it ends
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: up being a church, a church where it's off Roads
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Mountain Road about three point five miles from where the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Fowler family found the Infant Roads Mountain Road, about three
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and a half miles from where Cheryl and Scott Fowler
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: miraculously and it is a miracle here the baby and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: save the baby from a seventy five foot raven. The
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: baby's all banged up but alive. Praise the Lord, all right,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: So let me understand this. They ping it to this church,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and then what happens Stephanie Borneman. So Henderson County Deputies
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: show up to this church, Barnwell Church, and they find
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Krista Madden and who walks up them and introduces herself
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: as Krista Madden. At that point, some of the deputies
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: take her back to the Sheriff's office to have her
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: checked out and evaluated. And they also discover that behind
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: this church it's the gravel road all the way at
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the end of the scrabble road behind the church where
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Krista Madden was found. They find in an abandoned car
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: which later let me break in one moment, Stephanie Borneman, WSPA,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you find Krista Noel Madden, the mother of the baby
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Shelley Madden, both of them reported kidnapped. Now, the baby's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: all banged up from being thrown down her ravene. But
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: what shape is the mother in? Is she bleeding as
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: she bruised or closed torn and ripped as she been
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: bound and gagged and ligature strangled? I mean, tell me
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: about her condition when cops when the sharf finds her,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: her hair is in place. I mean, she looks fine,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: like she doesn't look like someone who you know, fought
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: alleged kidnappers to escape. Well, what is her story, Stephanie Boorman?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Who took her baby and her So what she tells
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: police is that a man and a woman kidnapped them,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: put them in the back and the trunk of their
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: car and just took them around. And then she was
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: able to escape from these people without her seven week
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: old infant. And according to her, when she's telling this
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the police. They are still holding her seven week old infant. Now,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: let me understand this just a moment, I think we
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: better go to a defense attorney, right quick. Royce Lytton,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: renowned California defense attorney. So this woman, Kristin Noel Madden,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the mother, describes a suspect as a redheaded man a
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: woman with black hair, both with a thin build, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: both conveniently wearing ski masks. She tells according to Stephanie
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Boorman at w SPA, she tells police that she managed
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to escape, but the kidnappers drove off with her daughter,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and she even describes the vehicle a twenty fourteen Mazda
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: c X five. Well, she certainly has her wits about her,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't she choice late? Well, if that story is true,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: thank goodness that she was able to escape those capitals.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how you do Nancy voice
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: late and how you can say something like that with
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a straight face. I mean, Bethanie Marshall, please, I know
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you're not a lawyer, but this story stinks to high heaven.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have a scratch on her her hair's in
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: place other than a big puss on her mouth. I mean,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: she looks absolutely finew did she get out of the car?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: What jump out while it was still going? Wouldn't she
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: have at least gotten one scratch? Nancy, do you know
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of one mother who would leave a seven seven week
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: old infant behind? No mother do that. They would go
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: down fighting. And I want to put this in context.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: She's thirty five years old, she has a three year old,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: so this is a highly competent woman. She is married
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: to a cardiologist. This is an upstanding woman in the community.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: This is a person who's fully capable of protecting a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: seven week old infant. So when you tell me the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: stinks to high heaven, if I heard the story in
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: my office, I would say, wait a minute, something's going
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: on here. And what I would begin to assess is
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: is this a mother who has not bonded with her baby.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Believe it or not, it happens the mothers are not bonded, bonded, shmonded.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I don't care, Bethany, you're taking me down a rabbit hole.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I don't care who she's bonded with. I want to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: find out how that baby got it the foot of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the ravine. Stephanie Boorman, I figured from researching her that
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: she's the same person Kristin Noel Madden that I've found
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: who works is a registered nurse anesthetist. Now are you
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: telling me as her husband a doctor Stephanie. From my understanding, yes,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and she has a great job, just had her baby recently.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she found like an outstanding mother
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: on paper and they've been married nearly ten years. They
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: have the other daughter that Bethidy Marshall told us about,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: who will soon be turning four years old. What I mean,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to Cheryl and Scott Fowler.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Cheryl and Scott Fowler, when you were outside, did you
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: see any sign of a redheaded man and a woman
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: with black hair wearing ski masks? Or two thy fourteen
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: was to c X five. No, But my daughters, this
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: say is a real a great car turn around a
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: yard before it happened. And my husband has red hair,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and my husband has red hair, and I have brown hair.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So I guess you did it. Now, what kind of
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: car was it that you saw? Your daughter? Son? He
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: was just in a house and you look way down
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: in the are about three or four hundred feet and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: you said, curved down there you saw great card, the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: telling of great car leaving our yard and then down
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: down below there about three hundred more fees. The Ravine
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we are back with a
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: case of a seven week old infant, a baby girl.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: How many people in this country would pay thousands and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to adopt a baby girl like that?
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: She could have been dropped off anywhere at a safe
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: haven such as a church, a fire department, a police station,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: but no, somebody threw the baby down a seventy five
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: foot ravine. If had not been for Sheryl and Scott Fowler,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that baby would be dead today. To Stephanie Boorman with
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: w SPA TV. Stephanie, you were telling me earlier about
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the cops the Sheriff's finding this mother, Kristin Noel Madden
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: at a local church about three and a half miles
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: away from where the Fowlers live, where the baby was
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: found down the ravine. You were mentioning there was an
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: abandoned car in the back of the church. Tell me
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: about that. So after the deputies arrived at this church,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: they find Christa, take her back to the Sheriff's office
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to get her checked out and they discover a car
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: abandoned on the scrabble road behind the church. It's later
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: determined that the car is Christa's car, the dark colored Mazda.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: According to Christa's story, that was the car that they
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: were put in by the alleged kidnappers. And so at
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that point they obviously don't touch the car. They deploy
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a bunch of canines to this area behind this church,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a forty yard perimeter, and they try to see if
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: there's been other sense of other people in the area. Stephanie,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: let me understand what you just told me. Hold on,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you're telling me she was kidnapped in her own car. Yeah, okay,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Well that car should have been loaded with prints of
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the kidnappers. Then you're telling me that tracker dogs sent dogs,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: not cadaver dogs, came and did the chair set up
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: a forty yard perimeter and that's quite a distance, and
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: they searched for other scents and the dogs did not
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: pick anything else up beside Crysta mat Incent. Yeah. Well, okay,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Royce Layton, your job's getting a lot harder because here
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: she is in the getaway car and there's no sigh,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: no red hair, no black hair, no fingerprints, no scent,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and there she is with the car. And according to
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Scott Cheryl Fowler, their daughters saw. Didn't you say a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: gray car? Cheryl? You're the feeling of a gray carver
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: around the car of our drive one. Okay, joy Sletton,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you're the California defense attorney, and give it your best shot.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: The absence of evidence does not prove a fact. Nancy,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: you know that very well. If these kidnappers had the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: wherewithal to disguise their face, maybe they wore gloves, so
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: that would explain the absence of any fingerprints in the car.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Just an hour and a
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: half before the baby's mother, Krista Madden, was found by
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: deputies at this church, just three point five miles away,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: after her phone was pinned to that location. Investigators say
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Madden's car was abandoned behind the church at the end
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of Rhodes Mountain Road. Investigators believe Madden threw her baby,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: still sitting in her car seat, over the bank. When
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I prove her she came out with a tree. Then
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the carson was still from her. The dispatcher stayed on
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the phone with the caller until deputies arrived. Advising the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: female not to continue touching the car seat that her
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: husband dragged out of these woods while rescuing baby Shaley.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Investigators say Madden is married and her husband is baby
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Shaley's father. He was interviewed, but detectives believe that Madden
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: acted alone. The sheriff does say that baby Shelley is
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: doing good tonight. You're hearing our friends Stephanie Boorman WESPATV
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to Cheryl and Scott Fowler. Cheryl, isn't it true that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you've said coyotes run through the area every night? The
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: baby wouldn't have made it. She would over a couple
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of hours. Was it already getting dark? Yeah, she was
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: seven thirty. It was starting getting a little bit dusk.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: She wouldn't have mind it. There's too many cavities later,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: plus copperhead. We've killed several copiads in that area, not
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: cotton myles with copperheads. What about it, Scott Fowler, tell
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: me about the animals that roam that area. You got
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: my wife was saying we could do here code. He's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: traveling and we've I've tracked a few Byron area. They're
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: around Ashville and Henderson County here and copper head snakes
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like it. But you know the fact of the matter
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: is that little girl fell again a rock, and that
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: rock could have killed her. That this lick of that
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: rock which she landed, and she had a pretty good
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: little bruise on her forehead and she's skin up pretty bad.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: It's just amazing that she didn't get killed just as
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: soon as she landed again that rock. Think she's a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: lucky little girl. Well, I think it's a miracle. I
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: really do. To have your head an infant like that,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: just seven weeks old, not even two months, thrown down
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a seventy five ft ravinia, hit your head on a rock,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would be remiss. I would be wrong
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: if I did not say flight out. An angel was
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: protecting her. This is a miracle, a miracle, and it
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: is doctor Bethany Marshall. I just don't know what to think.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Why would a mother do such a thing. It's hard
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: for us to imagine Nancy, but some mothers are not
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: attached to their babies. It can happen for many reasons.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: The most common term we hear is postpartum depression, but
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: that does not cause the type of detachment that leads
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to homicide. Usually you have a woman, a mother who
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: has some kind of a personality disorder that makes her selfish,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: self centered, unwilling to take care of the baby. Oh,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, you're not actually trying to say
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: she has his personality disorder. She's in an apparently happy
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: ten year marriage with a four year old little girl.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: She's a nurse, anesthetist. That doesn't happen overnight. She's clearly,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: in her right mind a personality disorder. I don't know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: have you got something in your DSM call pure evil,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: because I think that's that's what the disorder is. Well, Nancy,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: what I was where I was going with this is
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that it's a conflagration of factors. It's not just the
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: personality disorder. It's not just not being bonded with the TILD.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: There could be postpartum psychosis, there could beat sociopathy. We
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: talk about that in men, but in women it shows
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: up in something called borderline personality disorder. She could have
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: had a history of schizoeffective disorder or bipolar and she
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: was well medicated. Didn't know any of that. You don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: know true look of that, You're just okay Bethany. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: appreciate that, but we don't know anything that about Kristin
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Noel Madden other than she had a family, a husband
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and a job, a very impressive job. You know what.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I want to go out with our friends, Stephanie Boorman,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Scott Fowler and Cheryl Fowler. Stephanie, where is the baby now?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: So the baby has been turned over to other family
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: members as far as we know. Scott Fowler and Cheryl Fowler.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Scott Fowler, what was you look back on this? What
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Well, Matthew, my thoughts are I'm just
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: lucky the lord foolish world need to be that day
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and that little girls in good shape. And it's like
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I said, if my wife had that little baby crying,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: this could have been a different story, you know that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if when we would
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: have ever heard or seen that baby because in that area,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: like I say, we may not have never known it
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: was down here. But it's just a good thing we
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: were there. Cheryl Fowler, when you're looking back on it,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, just rist my heart out.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I have three children and I'd die right now for
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: every one of them, and somebody come near him. The
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  Speaker 1: kidnap's gonna have to kill me before it takes my baby.
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  Speaker 1: But she's done. Admitted in Nashville Times last night that
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  Speaker 1: she admitted to driving the car and placing the baby
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  Speaker 1: on the ground, tossing the car seat and leavy. So
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  Speaker 1: she don't admitted that. And to me, they can come
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  Speaker 1: with all these excuses they want. The true mother does
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  Speaker 1: not take her child, put it down her vein. I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel what the reason is. Give it to somebody.
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  Speaker 1: I told the officers that night, give me the baby,
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  Speaker 1: don't put in the system. I don't take the baby.
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  Speaker 1: I raise it like the others for I raised. Don't
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  Speaker 1: put this baby and huns Why I say, Agan, there's
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  Speaker 1: an excuse for it. You know what, Cheryl, I never
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  Speaker 1: after my fiancee was murdered. I never thought I would
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  Speaker 1: be a mother or a wife. And that has been
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  Speaker 1: the greatest thing that has ever happened to me on
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  Speaker 1: this earth, is to be a mother. And I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you. I would love to have another baby to
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  Speaker 1: love and to love me back. And I'm I'm just
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  Speaker 1: sick about it. But you know what, I'm so happy today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so happy right now that this baby, a little
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Shelley is alive thanks to what I believe was a
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  Speaker 1: miracle of putting you, Cheryl and Scott right there at
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  Speaker 1: that moment, at that spot. And that's just sol I
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  Speaker 1: can say, is ptyell, Praise the Lord. Nancy Grace Crime
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  Speaker 1: Story signing off, good bye friend,