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Judge Roy Altman: The Truth About Israel They Don't Want You to Hear · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: This is getting nasty. Some of the largest voices on
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Speaker 1: the writer are actually pushing a narrative that Israel is
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Speaker 1: suddenly the villain. That's a problem. Well, Judge roy Altman says,
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Speaker 1: this isn't just about Israel. It's also anti American and
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Speaker 1: that China, Russia, Iran and Moore are using this fight
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Speaker 1: to separate us from one of our most important allies.
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Speaker 1: My grandfather was from Italy and he was very, very
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Speaker 1: pro Israel, and I didn't get it. I was growing up.
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Speaker 1: I say, Grandpa, and it was a very thick accident.
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Speaker 1: He said, but Joey, these are a chosen people and
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Speaker 1: did a promised Land. I said, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 1: I thought the promised land was was Heaven. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: the promised Land is Israel and was promised to those
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Speaker 1: people that God chose. So that's the premise from where
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Speaker 1: I come. I don't know why everybody who wants to
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Speaker 1: make a clickbait is saying that Benjamin etya, who is this?
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Speaker 1: And Israel's trying to take over that and they won't
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Speaker 1: leave Lebanon alone and they really hate Christians and Israel.
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Speaker 1: So let's take it from the premise. You know, by
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Speaker 1: which I grew up. That's really what it is biblically,
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Speaker 1: is it not?
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Speaker 2: You know, I'll tell you a story.
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Speaker 3: I started taking federal judges on trips to Israel after
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Speaker 3: October seventh. What happened was I was traveling all over
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Speaker 3: the country giving speeches the churches of every denomination in
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Speaker 3: almost all fifty states about Israel's ancient past, it's painful present,
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Speaker 3: it's hopes for a brighter future. And every time i'd
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Speaker 3: be at a church or a school, or a college
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Speaker 3: and a state across this great country, people would come
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Speaker 3: up to me and say, Hey, I'm a federal judge
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Speaker 3: in this community, and I'd like to go to Israel
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Speaker 3: and see for myself what's going on there. And so
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Speaker 3: I started a program with two friends of mine to
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Speaker 3: take federal judges from all across the country, non Jews
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Speaker 3: who'd never been to Israel before, to Israel. And we've
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Speaker 3: taken a bunch of trips, and we've taken about ten
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Speaker 3: percent of the entire federal judiciary in America and have
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Speaker 3: enough money in the foundation now to take every federal
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Speaker 3: judge whoever wants to go forever. And on one of
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Speaker 3: these trips, we went to the city of David. And
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Speaker 3: you know, of course that when Jesus came down from Nazareth,
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Speaker 3: he came first of all, he was traveling as a
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Speaker 3: Jewish man in a fully Jewish kingdom that was ruled
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Speaker 3: by Jewish kings and priests going back thousands of years
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Speaker 3: in the Holy Land of Israel, the same land where
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Speaker 3: Jews still rule and govern today. And he came down
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Speaker 3: to Jerusalem to talk to the Pharisees and the priests
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Speaker 3: who were in the money changers who.
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Speaker 2: Were not following the letter of Jewish law in the Temple.
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Speaker 3: But before he came to the Temple, he had to
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Speaker 3: do something everyone had to do, and that was something
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Speaker 3: we Jews still do routinely before important events in our lives, weddings,
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Speaker 3: et cetera. And that is you have to ritually bathe
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Speaker 3: in the mikvah. And the mikvah where he bathed was
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Speaker 3: called the Siloam Pool. And he walked the Siloam or
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Speaker 3: pilgrimage road up from the Saloam Pool to the Temple mount.
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Speaker 3: And it was about six fifty or seven hundred meters
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Speaker 3: from the edge of the Siloam Pool to the Temple Mount. Now,
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Speaker 3: for decades, the Palestinian narrative was that this was just
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Speaker 3: Zionist and Christian fantasyland. But about twenty years ago, digging
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Speaker 3: underneath the city of Jerusalem, adjacent to the ancient city
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Speaker 3: of David, archaeologists in Israel uncovered first the Siloam or
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Speaker 3: Pilgrimage Road, and then the Siloam Pool itself. And it
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Speaker 3: is in fact about six hundred and fifty to seven
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Speaker 3: hundred meters from the edge of the Siloam Pool to
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Speaker 3: the Temple mount. And when we the judges, were down
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Speaker 3: in the tunnel where the excavations were taking place, it's deep,
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Speaker 3: and it's dark down there, and the rocks are sweating,
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Speaker 3: it's wet and dank. One of our judges said to
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Speaker 3: the Israeli tour guide, Hey, how far down would I
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Speaker 3: have to go in order to see and touch the
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Speaker 3: stones that Jesus himself would have walked on? And the
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Speaker 3: Israeli tour guide said, no, no, you don't understand.
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Speaker 2: These are the stones.
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Speaker 3: And at that several of our judges got down on
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Speaker 3: our hands and knees and started touching the stones. You see.
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Speaker 3: And one of the amazing things that happened there that
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Speaker 3: we all recognized in that moment was that all these
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Speaker 3: judges had come to Israel in the middle of a war,
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Speaker 3: by the way, a war that Israel did not start
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Speaker 3: and never wanted, in order to stand shoulder to shoulder
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Speaker 3: with the Jewish people and with the one Jewish state
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Speaker 3: in the world, and with America's most important geostrategic ally
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Speaker 3: in the world.
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Speaker 2: But they had left that.
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Speaker 3: Tunnel understanding viscerally that they had actually come for their
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Speaker 3: own people and their own heritage and their own religious tradition.
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Speaker 3: Because you can't help but understand when you're in the
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Speaker 3: Jewish state of Israel that there is no country in
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Speaker 3: the Middle East that preserves and protects, or spends as
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Speaker 3: much money or energy protecting the Christian Holy sites as
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Speaker 3: Israel does today. In fact, if you go as we
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Speaker 3: always do, to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, to
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Speaker 3: the Garden of Gstemite up the Via Dela Rosa, you
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Speaker 3: will see that Israel has spent more money on preserving
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Speaker 3: its Christian Holy sites every single year than it does
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Speaker 3: on almost anything else any other holy sites in the
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Speaker 3: country apart from the Western Wall itself. Israel cares deeply
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Speaker 3: about its Christian citizens and for Christians around the world,
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Speaker 3: Israel is the one place, not Syria, not Iraq, not
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Speaker 3: anywhere in Arabia, certainly not the Palestinians that are spending
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Speaker 3: money and allowing, for example, the Church of the Holy
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Speaker 3: Sepulcher to be governed by six Christian denominations. Remember, the
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Speaker 3: Church of the Holy Sepulcher is not governed by any
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Speaker 3: Jewish denomination. It has been handed over to six Christian
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Speaker 3: denominations in the Jewish state of Israel to have them
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Speaker 3: govern it for themselves. The point is that when Christians
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Speaker 3: leave Israel, they understand viscerally that this is their home,
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Speaker 3: holy land, that this is their city, the holy ancient
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Speaker 3: City of David.
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Speaker 1: The book is called Israel on Trial, Examining the History
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Speaker 1: of the Evidence of the Law. It is Judge Roy
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Speaker 1: k Altman, Go follow them, Roy k Altman over on X.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask three questions or four questions as
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Speaker 1: you were speaking, but he answered all of them before
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Speaker 1: I asked them, so I didn't have to, because I
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Speaker 1: was going to say, why not just tell them? Why
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Speaker 1: not educate them here? Why bring them there? Why why
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Speaker 1: did you need to have them touch those stones and
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Speaker 1: smell that air and have their feet walk that path.
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Speaker 1: But it makes sense. It was all very visceral. It
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Speaker 1: became real for them. And as you were saying it,
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Speaker 1: it reminded me of my friend Charlie Kirk. May he
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Speaker 1: rest in peace. I remember somebody challenging him on Israel
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Speaker 1: at one of these sitdowns where he was doing debates
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Speaker 1: on campus, and he said, because I've been there, and
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Speaker 1: I've seen it, and I felt it, and I lived
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Speaker 1: where Jesus was from. I mean, he was that firm
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Speaker 1: in his stance on that. We can talk in a
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Speaker 1: bit about how disgusting it is that people are trying
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Speaker 1: to pretend like he hated it Israel by the end,
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Speaker 1: which there is no evidence to suggest that. But I'm
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Speaker 1: glad that you that you said all of that. It
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Speaker 1: made my job easier ask you this because I know
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Speaker 1: that you took liberal and conservative judges. Was there a
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Speaker 1: difference in their reaction?
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Speaker 2: You know, not really.
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Speaker 3: I think one of the things about taking federal judges
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Speaker 3: to Israel is that you know, judges, you spend your
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Speaker 3: entire life devoted to a system of laws and justice,
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Speaker 3: right you care deeply about the country and the community.
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Speaker 3: That's why we've devoted our entire lives to serving the
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Speaker 3: country and our community in this way, and the entire
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Speaker 3: order of your life is premised on evidence, on applying
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Speaker 3: basic legal fairness and the legal rules to complicated disputes.
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Speaker 3: And so what I think happens is when judges, I
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Speaker 3: won't speak for all of them, but when judges come
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Speaker 3: to Israel having devoted their entire life to truth and
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Speaker 3: justice and evidence, and then they come back home and
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Speaker 3: see the complete nonsense that's being peddled on the internet
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Speaker 3: by our geostrategic enemies.
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Speaker 2: And I want to talk about that.
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Speaker 3: Because it is no surprise that the one country that
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Speaker 3: stands shoulder to shoulder with the United States, that votes
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Speaker 3: with the United States more than ninety five percent of
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Speaker 3: the time at the United Nations, more than any other
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Speaker 3: country in the world, that buys American military products. Remember
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Speaker 3: we don't give Israel anything, They buy it with their money,
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Speaker 3: and they facilitate the American economy. When they do that,
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Speaker 3: they stimulate jobs. They create thousands of jobs in the
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Speaker 3: American military tech industry. But one of the things that's
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Speaker 3: amazing is every time I speak at a school or
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Speaker 3: a church all over this country, naval officers and tech
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Speaker 3: procurement people from the Department of War, people who know
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Speaker 3: what they're talking about, not these ridiculous conspiracy theorist peddlers
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Speaker 3: that are on the Internet that you're talking about. They
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Speaker 3: come to me and they say, Judge, you have no
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Speaker 3: idea how right you are. We sell a piece of
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Speaker 3: military equipment to Israel, and they do something we can't do.
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Speaker 3: They battle test it, and in real time send us
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Speaker 3: back assessments of how it is doing in the wars
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Speaker 3: that need to be fought and won in the twenty
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Speaker 3: first century. Remember, Israel is at war against much bigger
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Speaker 3: and supposedly scarier foes, hundreds of millions of people surrounding it,
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Speaker 3: bent on his destruction. And then a couple of years
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Speaker 3: after it gets the technology, Israel sends it back to
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Speaker 3: the American military, and these naval officers and tech procurement
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Speaker 3: folks would tell me, and it's unrecognizable to us, because
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Speaker 3: it's ten times better and more prepared for the wars
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Speaker 3: of the future than it was when we first sold
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Speaker 3: it to them. If we mean to avoid the mistakes
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Speaker 3: of the Civil War and World War One and World
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Speaker 3: War II, where our technologies were much more advanced than
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Speaker 3: our tactics were, where hundreds of thousands of American boys
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Speaker 3: had to die because we were still fighting the last
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Speaker 3: war instead of the war that's coming in the future.
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Speaker 3: Then we need countries like Israel who are fighting the
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Speaker 3: wars of the future and winning them with the technology
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Speaker 3: that we will need in order to save American lives.
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Speaker 3: But the point is, and when we take these judges
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Speaker 3: and they come back and they see this crazy delta,
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Speaker 3: this incongruity between what's truly happening in Israel and what's
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Speaker 3: happening here on the internet back home in our supposedly
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Speaker 3: sacred spaces, our Western institutions, that incongruity is so hard
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Speaker 3: to stomach, it's so difficult to understand that it really
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Speaker 3: transforms them and makes them advocates in some ways for
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Speaker 3: the truth. And you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 3: happened a few weeks ago, I was in New York
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Speaker 3: in a synagogue speaking and two non Jewish young men
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Speaker 3: came up to me. I said, what are you guys
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Speaker 3: doing here? You guys looking for conversion or what? And
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Speaker 3: they said, no, judge, we just had to meet you.
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Speaker 3: I said why, They said, we were law clerks, to
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Speaker 3: federal judges, not Jewish. Who you took to Israel? One conservative,
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Speaker 3: one liberal? And they said to me, what did you
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Speaker 3: do to our judges? I said, what do you mean?
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Speaker 3: They said, when they came back, they were totally transformed.
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Speaker 3: They had a PowerPoint presentation. They would take all over
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Speaker 3: their state. They would make everyone watch it to show
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Speaker 3: them what the true truth really was, what the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Really truly showed.
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Speaker 3: So whether it's conservative judges or liberal judges, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: Judges understand the truth when they see it, and they're
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Speaker 3: animated by justice when they feel it. And there is
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Speaker 3: no more just or righteous cause in the world than
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Speaker 3: the cause of Western civilization. And that Western civilization comes
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Speaker 3: to us from the Judeo Christian tradition, which hails from
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Speaker 3: one place, and that's the State of Israel. And it
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Speaker 3: comes from one land, and that's the Holy Land of Israel,
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Speaker 3: which has been bequeathed to the Jewish people, and which
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Speaker 3: the Jewish people have been fighting and dying to protect
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Speaker 3: for the last three or four thousand years.
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Speaker 1: Get his book. It's called Israel on Trial, Examining the
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Speaker 1: History of the Evidence of the Law. It is Judge
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Speaker 1: Roy k Altman go follow him on ex. Roy k
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Speaker 1: Altman alt n An. Let's talk about keyboard extremism or
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Speaker 1: the keyboard courtroom that leads to extremism. You've got people
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Speaker 1: online who have taken sides, and I guess they've been
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Speaker 1: forced to take sides by pretty big creators. I could
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Speaker 1: name some of them. Came to so Owens. You can
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Speaker 1: go down the list, Nick flint as you can go
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Speaker 1: down the list, Tucker Carlson. Now it's gone nuts. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why they've decided to go the way that
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Speaker 1: they've gone, but they've made Israel the boogeyman. So I
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Speaker 1: guess the first tip ofthy of the spear of this
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Speaker 1: question has to be why is it so easy in
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Speaker 1: their minds to make Israel the boogeyman? And why are
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Speaker 1: they so those who are ingesting it, Why are they
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Speaker 1: so quick to believe it?
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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing to understand is that at its core,
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Speaker 3: this is an anti American ideology, and this is really
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Speaker 3: important to get.
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Speaker 2: When we're in a courtroom, we always.
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Speaker 3: Scrutinize the incentives of the party that's providing.
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Speaker 2: Us with the information.
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Speaker 3: Right, we bring a witness to the courtroom, and the
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Speaker 3: witness says X, Y and Z, the defendant is guilty
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Speaker 3: of this crime. Whatever, we don't just end the trial there, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, that would be totally unjust and unfair. We
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Speaker 3: allow the other side's lawyer to come in and say, well,
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Speaker 3: isn't it true, sir that you got immunity from the
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Speaker 3: government in exchange for your testimony. Isn't it true, sir
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Speaker 3: that your wife, who was illegally here received a visa
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Speaker 3: to be able to remain here in order for you
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Speaker 3: to testify.
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Speaker 2: For the government. You know that kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: Now, in the end, we may still believe the witness,
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Speaker 3: but we should know, we deserve to know what the
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Speaker 3: witnesses incentive structures are.
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Speaker 2: Well. So much of the.
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Speaker 3: Information that is permeating our society, especially on TikTok, owned
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Speaker 3: by America's biggest geostrategic enemy and rival, especially on Al
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Speaker 3: Jazeera and all run by the Muslim Brotherhood. America is
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Speaker 3: probably second most important geostrategic enemy and rival. And then
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Speaker 3: millions of Russian and Iranian Internet bots is coming from
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Speaker 3: our geostrategic enemies, and so we have to think to ourselves,
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Speaker 3: what are their incentive structures? Well, if they're looking at
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Speaker 3: their side of the fifty yard line. I played football
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Speaker 3: in college, so I like football analogies. If we're on
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Speaker 3: their side of the fifty yard line, which is important
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Speaker 3: to be on, right, if we're going to win this war,
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Speaker 3: this struggle, we.
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Speaker 2: Got to think like them. We got to look.
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Speaker 3: Around and we see the Chinese army. It's a big,
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Speaker 3: bad army, very potent, but there are risks right, it's
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Speaker 3: never been battle tested. Their economy is shrinking every year
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Speaker 3: visa via the United States economy. And third, because of
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Speaker 3: their demographic problem, the one child policy, there is a
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Speaker 3: lingering question will Chinese mothers be willing to stomach sending
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Speaker 3: their only sons off to fight a war for a
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Speaker 3: far off island somewhere in the ocean.
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Speaker 2: Who knows.
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Speaker 3: You don't know, I don't know, and the Chinese government
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Speaker 3: doesn't know, and that's a scary unknown thing. Then you
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Speaker 3: look around you see Russia bogged down with a demographic
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Speaker 3: problem of.
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Speaker 2: Its own, no children in their future.
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Speaker 3: By the way, it's really important to note that Israel
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Speaker 3: begets more children every year than any Western democracy in
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Speaker 3: the world. You could tell a lot about a country
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Speaker 3: about it's where it's going by whether it's willing to
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Speaker 3: be optimistic about its own future by bringing children into
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Speaker 3: the world. Russia and China to have the opposite problem,
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Speaker 3: no children, no future. And you see Russia getting totally
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Speaker 3: bogged down in a war in Ukraine against a supposedly
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Speaker 3: much smaller and weaker foe.
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Speaker 2: And then you've got Iran.
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Speaker 3: It's financial economy totally on the verge of collapse, unable
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Speaker 3: to sell its oil because of the naval blockade. It's
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Speaker 3: s four hundred Russian defense systems rendered totally obsin eat
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Speaker 3: by the air force of a tiny country thousands of
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Speaker 3: miles away. That's pretty disconcerting. Let's look at the other
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Speaker 3: side of the fifty yard line, our side of the
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Speaker 3: fifty yard line. What do they see, Well, they see America.
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Speaker 3: That's the biggest, most powerful army in economy the world.
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Speaker 2: Has ever known.
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Speaker 3: But who's going to stand America in the geostrategic conflict
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Speaker 3: that's coming. We've seen that the Europeans are not willing
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Speaker 3: to do their share. That's just a sad reality. You
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Speaker 3: could call it demographics, immigration, you could call it lack
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Speaker 3: of religion, a lack of faith in their future. Whatever
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Speaker 3: it is they have fallen into a great deal of obsolescence.
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Speaker 3: It's sad for those of us who love people in
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Speaker 3: Europe and love European history, but it's the reality.
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Speaker 1: Well, Jack, I gotta stop you because I want to
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Speaker 1: do a deep dive on that. It's Judge Roy k Altman.
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Speaker 1: Go to Roy k Altman over on X. The new
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Speaker 1: he'd lived to be ninety three, but he loved the
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Speaker 1: country like crazy. He always still loved his old country.
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Speaker 1: thing to do, or else you're gonna get nuke soon
18:07
Speaker 1: sooner than later, we have to stop them. Let's open
18:10
Speaker 1: the straight of her moves. Hey Spain, do you have
18:13
Speaker 1: the mind sweeping ships? Hey England, do you have some?
18:16
Speaker 1: Hey Italy, why don't you help us out? And they
18:17
Speaker 1: all said no. Germany said no, Judge, am I missing something?
18:23
Speaker 1: Those countries exist and speak their own languages and not
18:27
Speaker 1: German because of us. They exist because NATO really is
18:30
Speaker 1: the United States saying if you mess with my little brothers,
18:33
Speaker 1: we will take you out. And they have the goal
18:36
Speaker 1: to say.
18:36
Speaker 2: No to us.
18:37
Speaker 1: What is happening in that continent?
18:40
Speaker 2: I think just.
18:41
Speaker 3: Western civilization got too fat, too lazy, too complacent. That's
18:45
Speaker 3: another reason why I think Israel is so important, because
18:48
Speaker 3: it's a lean, mean fighting machine. It's a civilization that
18:52
Speaker 3: is Western, pluralistic and religiously tolerant. That's liberal, and it's
18:56
Speaker 3: the ethos and its foundation. But unlike Europe, willing to
19:00
Speaker 3: fight and die for the things you and I believe in.
19:03
Speaker 3: And that brings us to your question. Europe started dying
19:06
Speaker 3: when it stopped believing in anything. Europe was a deeply
19:10
Speaker 3: religious place for hundreds of years, and yes, that caused
19:13
Speaker 3: strife and it caused problems, but it built a spirit
19:17
Speaker 3: in the European culture that was the forbear of every
19:22
Speaker 3: great thing they produced for the world. You know, when
19:25
Speaker 3: Tokville came to America in the eighteen thirties, he said,
19:28
Speaker 3: these people are amazing because they are willing to serve
19:32
Speaker 3: their communities.
19:33
Speaker 2: They go to the rotary clubs and the church groups
19:36
Speaker 2: and the Sunday lunches, and they love one another.
19:39
Speaker 3: They know each other viscerally, and a society like that
19:42
Speaker 3: is going to be willing to fight and die for
19:44
Speaker 3: the things we all believe in. That's Israel, by the way,
19:47
Speaker 3: where they say not like here's stranger danger, and Israel
19:50
Speaker 3: there's a saying if you see a stranger to a child,
19:53
Speaker 3: find excuse me. If you feel danger, find a stranger.
19:56
Speaker 3: That's the Israeli ethos because it's one big family. That
20:00
Speaker 3: means they fight a lot, they argue a lot, but
20:02
Speaker 3: they still love one another, and every member of that
20:05
Speaker 3: society is willing to fight and die for the rest
20:08
Speaker 3: of the country. You know, in the Civil War, we
20:10
Speaker 3: used to ask ourselves when the Union was losing battle
20:13
Speaker 3: after battle, do we still have the spirit of seventy six?
20:18
Speaker 2: What do we mean by that?
20:19
Speaker 3: We meant a society that was lean, that was hungry,
20:23
Speaker 3: that was growing fast, that was willing to fight and
20:26
Speaker 3: in some cases die for Western civilization. We were wondering
20:30
Speaker 3: at the time of the Civil War whether we had that.
20:33
Speaker 3: We know Israel has that fighting spirit, and we know
20:36
Speaker 3: that that's why our geostrategic enemies China, Russia and Iran
20:40
Speaker 3: are spewing all this misinformation onto the Internet in order
20:44
Speaker 3: to peel our most vital ally away from us at
20:47
Speaker 3: the moment where it matters the most.
20:49
Speaker 1: Right it is jee Kaleman go and follow Roy Kaltman
20:53
Speaker 1: over on x Get. His book calls Israel on trial,
20:56
Speaker 1: examining the history of the evidence and the law. I
20:58
Speaker 1: hope that Europe wakes up. I hope they wizen up
21:02
Speaker 1: because Spain was the first one to say no to us. Spain,
21:05
Speaker 1: if memory serves, my history serves, was overtaken by Islamists
21:10
Speaker 1: for hundreds of years and was only freed because Western
21:13
Speaker 1: civilization somehow push them out. I don't know why they
21:16
Speaker 1: want to go back to the way that it used
21:17
Speaker 1: to be, but they just seem to be complicit in
21:20
Speaker 1: the wanted elimination of Western culture. I want to talk
21:23
Speaker 1: about some of the lies about Israel. One of the
21:25
Speaker 1: biggest lies is that the people running Israel now aren't
21:28
Speaker 1: really Jews. The people running Israel now are all from
21:30
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe. You have to be an Arab Jew, you understand, Judge,
21:34
Speaker 1: if you want to be in Israel today, doesn't matter
21:36
Speaker 1: whether you we can get into Palestine not really being
21:39
Speaker 1: related to the Philistines, although they're pretending like they are,
21:41
Speaker 1: they're not. The Palestinians today have no ancestral relationship with
21:45
Speaker 1: the Philistines that were only named Philistines, and Palestine was
21:48
Speaker 1: only named that to bother those from Canaan, to bother
21:51
Speaker 1: the Jews. I mean, I understand all of that, and
21:52
Speaker 1: I think you and I can agree that what I
21:54
Speaker 1: just said is is factually true. But there is a
21:56
Speaker 1: push in this country that Benjamin Nina, who is some
21:59
Speaker 1: Polish guy that decided he would be part of the
22:01
Speaker 1: Zionist movement take over something called Israel, although he's not
22:04
Speaker 1: really Jewish and the Jews today are not related at
22:07
Speaker 1: all to the Jews from three thousand years ago. What
22:09
Speaker 1: did your response to that nonsense?
22:12
Speaker 3: The first thing is we've got to start thinking like
22:15
Speaker 3: real Americans. I mean, would the Americans of twenty fifty
22:20
Speaker 3: one hundred of years ago have fallen for this absolute nonsense?
22:24
Speaker 2: I mean, this is complete frivolity. But here's the thing.
22:28
Speaker 3: There have been dozens of genetic studies conducted on every
22:32
Speaker 3: major Jewish population in the world.
22:35
Speaker 2: These studies were.
22:36
Speaker 3: Done by scientists who weren't Jewish and scientists who were
22:40
Speaker 3: on different genetic markers on every continent on this planet,
22:45
Speaker 3: and they have all confirmed the same basic reality, which
22:49
Speaker 3: you hardly needed DNA to prove, which is that all
22:52
Speaker 3: the major Jewish populations in the world are intimately and
22:56
Speaker 3: genetically related to one another. That's first, and second, that
23:00
Speaker 3: we all split off from the levant the area of
23:03
Speaker 3: the Middle East where Israel is today two thousand years ago.
23:07
Speaker 3: And that's very important because the geological excuse me, the
23:12
Speaker 3: archaeological evidence and the documentary proof, thousands of years worth
23:17
Speaker 3: of rocks in the ground and words on the page
23:20
Speaker 3: corroborate this DNA story. They tell us that in seventy AD,
23:25
Speaker 3: two thousand years ago, the Titus, the general from Rome
23:29
Speaker 3: who would become emperor himself, destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem,
23:33
Speaker 3: exiled the Jews who lived there, and those Jews became
23:37
Speaker 3: the diaspora communities in the world.
23:39
Speaker 2: And now the DNA evidence has proven that fact.
23:42
Speaker 3: You're talking about a thing called the Kasar conspiracy theory.
23:46
Speaker 3: The Kasar conspiracy theory, which has been debunked on many occasions,
23:51
Speaker 3: is what these podcasters are trying to push on behalf
23:55
Speaker 3: of their Katari funders in order to get the Muslim
23:58
Speaker 3: brotherhood to win the day intellectually where it's never been
24:01
Speaker 3: able to do it before. And here's where the conspiracy
24:04
Speaker 3: theory comes in. In eight h five AD, the Kazar
24:08
Speaker 3: king of what's now Ukraine. These are Turkic people from
24:12
Speaker 3: the Central Asian step. He loved ancient Judaism. He converted
24:17
Speaker 3: to Judaism, and he converted his people to Judaism. The
24:21
Speaker 3: problem is, we now know that the Jews of Israel
24:25
Speaker 3: and the major Jewish communities of the world are not
24:28
Speaker 3: descended from these causars the way that the conspiracy theorists claim.
24:32
Speaker 3: In fact, the Kasars, after this king died, stopped being Jewish.
24:37
Speaker 3: We know that the vast majority of the people in
24:39
Speaker 3: Israel come from non European roots. European Jews are only
24:43
Speaker 3: about twenty or thirty percent. The vast majority come from
24:46
Speaker 3: North Africa, the Middle East and elsewhere that never touched
24:51
Speaker 3: and set foot in Europe. But second, as I said before,
24:54
Speaker 3: the DNA evidence, which links all Jews in the world
24:57
Speaker 3: back to Israel, has also showed that we have no
25:01
Speaker 3: significant portion of Kusar blood in our veins, whether you
25:06
Speaker 3: come from Europe or not. It's a conspiracy theory that's
25:09
Speaker 3: frivolous and should just never be mentioned again.
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Speaker 1: And I appreciate that, But there are big names that
25:15
Speaker 1: are mentioning it. I didn't realize that the Kasar has
25:17
Speaker 1: decided after he died they wouldn't be Jewish anymore. That
25:19
Speaker 1: completely ends the conspiracy. How could it have been them
25:23
Speaker 1: who showed up in Israel and said we're Jewish if
25:25
Speaker 1: they weren't Jewish. It is jedge Roy k alten Go.
25:27
Speaker 1: Get his book. It's called Israel on Trial. What bothers.
25:30
Speaker 1: Me also is this, let's go back to the sixty
25:32
Speaker 1: seven borders. And I saw a piece of video recently
25:35
Speaker 1: from gold to my ear in the early seventies. She said,
25:37
Speaker 1: people keep saying, you want to go back to the
25:39
Speaker 1: sixty seven borders. You had the sixty seven borders, then
25:42
Speaker 1: you attacked us, we won. Why would we give you
25:45
Speaker 1: back what you already had. You weren't happy with that,
25:47
Speaker 1: now you would be. And she also said back in
25:49
Speaker 1: the day she was looked at and called a Palestinian.
25:52
Speaker 1: There were Palestinian Jews in the nineteen twenties and thirties,
25:55
Speaker 1: and nobody asks, like they know that everybody in the
25:58
Speaker 1: region was called Palestinian because of the misnomer of calling it,
26:02
Speaker 1: you know, what would be Palestine. It was always a
26:03
Speaker 1: territory where it was never a king, never a monarch,
26:06
Speaker 1: never a prime minister, never a president. It wasn't really
26:08
Speaker 1: a country.
26:09
Speaker 2: But what about that?
26:09
Speaker 1: People keep on arguing, judge, let's go back to the
26:12
Speaker 1: sixty seven borders, then we'll be happy.
26:15
Speaker 3: So there have been massacres against the Jews by the
26:18
Speaker 3: Arabs in Israel since before the State of Israel was founded.
26:23
Speaker 3: The notion that Israel is the problem is belied by
26:26
Speaker 3: the fact that in nineteen thirty six, and in nineteen
26:29
Speaker 3: twenty one and in the nineteen teens there were huge
26:32
Speaker 3: massacres by the Muslims of the region against the Jewish
26:36
Speaker 3: inhabitants of the region, long before the state of Israel
26:39
Speaker 3: was founded. And to your point, the notion, the secondary
26:42
Speaker 3: notion that what they call the green line, which is
26:45
Speaker 3: the border of nineteen sixty seven, is itself the problem,
26:48
Speaker 3: that we should go back to June first of nineteen
26:51
Speaker 3: sixty seven, before the Sixth Day War, and then everything
26:54
Speaker 3: would be copacetic. That if Israel gave up Judaean Samarian Gaza,
26:59
Speaker 3: which by the way, it had given up Gus in
27:00
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, and we saw what happened. But
27:03
Speaker 3: the idea being that if Israel went back to the
27:05
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven borders there would be no war doesn't
27:09
Speaker 3: answer the question of why there had to be a
27:11
Speaker 3: sixty seven war in the first place. The reason there
27:14
Speaker 3: was a sixty seven war in the first place, when
27:16
Speaker 3: we were at the sixty seven borders as a global community,
27:20
Speaker 3: is because the Arabs don't want sixty seven borders. They
27:23
Speaker 3: want a fully Arab state from the Jordan River to
27:27
Speaker 3: the Mediterranean Sea. That's what every poll conducted by Palestinians
27:31
Speaker 3: themselves has shown. It's what every vote that's ever taken
27:34
Speaker 3: place in the Palestinian territories, which has elected Hamas in
27:38
Speaker 3: the last major election in two thousand and six, has shown.
27:42
Speaker 3: So the nineteen sixty seven borders claim is again it's
27:45
Speaker 3: complete frivolity.
27:47
Speaker 1: Israel on trial examining the history of the evidence of
27:49
Speaker 1: the law. And she also said, there is a Palestinian state,
27:53
Speaker 1: it's called Jordan. Why do we need another Palestine or
27:56
Speaker 1: Palestinian state or something that would be that. By the way,
27:59
Speaker 1: it's not lost on judge that you know, the Queen
28:01
Speaker 1: of Jordan is a Palestinian and she doesn't want any
28:03
Speaker 1: Palestinians in there from Gaza or from the West Bank.
28:06
Speaker 1: That's very interesting to me. But what about that claim
28:09
Speaker 1: that there already is a Palestinian state. Israelly surrounded by
28:13
Speaker 1: what twenty one twenty two Muslim countries, so why can't
28:17
Speaker 1: it exist? That always jumps out at me. But what
28:19
Speaker 1: about the argument that there already is a Palestinian state,
28:22
Speaker 1: so why are you asking for another one?
28:24
Speaker 2: This is really important. And I see by the way
28:26
Speaker 2: that you read my book very carefully, so I appreciate
28:28
Speaker 2: that that.
28:31
Speaker 3: We have to remember history. I mean, that's what I
28:33
Speaker 3: should say. I didn't write the book as a judge,
28:35
Speaker 3: you know. I wrote the book as an American who
28:37
Speaker 3: cares deeply in the truth and the rule of law
28:39
Speaker 3: in our history. So we have to know our history.
28:42
Speaker 3: There was a British Mandate of Palestine, Okay, that was
28:45
Speaker 3: ruled as a colonial power from nineteen seventeen until nineteen forty.
28:50
Speaker 2: Seven, for thirty years.
28:52
Speaker 3: By the way, there's never been any such thing as
28:54
Speaker 3: Palestinian Arab sovereignty anywhere.
28:57
Speaker 2: In the Middle East before the British were there.
29:00
Speaker 3: The Ottomans, who were Turkish colonizers, were there for four
29:03
Speaker 3: hundred years. Before that, there were the Crusaders and the
29:06
Speaker 3: Selgic Turks, and then there were the Rahaduns from Arabia,
29:10
Speaker 3: and the Abbasids from Damascus and the Umayads from Baghdad.
29:14
Speaker 3: There have been foreign colonizing Muslim powers for hundreds of
29:18
Speaker 3: years before the British got there. But when the British
29:21
Speaker 3: were there, the British in nineteen seventeen promised in something
29:24
Speaker 3: called the Balfour Decoration, that the entire Mandate of Palestine
29:28
Speaker 3: would be used to make a Jewish state. Now, back then,
29:31
Speaker 3: the Mandate of Palestine included everything that is today Israel,
29:35
Speaker 3: what you would consider the Palestinian territories, and all of
29:39
Speaker 3: modern day Jordan. Now, in nineteen twenty one, after the
29:43
Speaker 3: British realized, hey, we're going to need a lot of
29:45
Speaker 3: oil from these people, and we need to make them
29:47
Speaker 3: very happy, the United Kingdom and its new government decided
29:52
Speaker 3: to backtrack on the promise that had been made in
29:54
Speaker 3: the Balfour Declaration and decided to carve out a Palestinian
29:58
Speaker 3: state from the British Mandate of Palestine, which they then
30:02
Speaker 3: called Transjordan. That Palestinian state was the size of seventy
30:07
Speaker 3: seven percent of the British mandated Palestine. In other words,
30:11
Speaker 3: out of one hundred percent of the Mandate of Palestine,
30:14
Speaker 3: seventy seven percent was carved away and used to create
30:17
Speaker 3: a Palestinian Arab state, which became Transjordan later the Kingdom
30:21
Speaker 3: of Jordan.
30:22
Speaker 2: Now we just know it as Jordan.
30:24
Speaker 3: The point is there has been a Palestinian state in
30:28
Speaker 3: the region for the last one hundred years.
30:31
Speaker 2: There are twenty two Arab.
30:32
Speaker 3: States, fifty seven Muslim states with two billion Muslim citizens
30:38
Speaker 3: around the world. But it's too much for people to
30:40
Speaker 3: have just one teeny tiny Jewish state with only seven
30:45
Speaker 3: million Jews in it in their ancestral homeland. And the
30:48
Speaker 3: last thing I'll say about that is to your point
30:50
Speaker 3: about being called Palestinians. The name Palestinian was created by
30:55
Speaker 3: the Emperor Hadrian when he destroyed the Jewish population to
31:00
Speaker 3: revolt the Jews had launched against the Roman Empire. And
31:04
Speaker 3: Adrian was so upset that he burned Jerusalem to the ground,
31:07
Speaker 3: and he said, we're going to rename all these things.
31:09
Speaker 3: At the time, the place we now know is Israel,
31:11
Speaker 3: and the palace Inian territories was called Judea. That's where
31:15
Speaker 3: the word Jew comes from. Yahud is the Hebrew word.
31:19
Speaker 3: Yehudi is the Hebrew word for Jew. You could see
31:22
Speaker 3: it's a Jew in Hebrew is a person. All you
31:25
Speaker 3: add is the e at the end. That's a person
31:27
Speaker 3: from Judea. And so he said, let's rename everything to
31:31
Speaker 3: make people forget that these people who are awful and
31:35
Speaker 3: that we've tried to wipe off from the face of
31:36
Speaker 3: the earth.
31:37
Speaker 2: Ever lived here.
31:38
Speaker 3: So we named Jerusalem Alia Capitalina Alia for his own family,
31:42
Speaker 3: and Capitalina for a Jupiter, Capitalinas Jupiter.
31:46
Speaker 2: The main god of the Romans. And then he.
31:48
Speaker 3: Renamed Judaea Palestina after the ancient Philistines who lived in Gaza.
31:56
Speaker 2: He did that for two reasons.
31:58
Speaker 3: One to wipe away anymory that the Jews that ever
32:01
Speaker 3: existed or lived in that land. By the way, he
32:04
Speaker 3: never knew how successful he would be two thousand years
32:07
Speaker 3: later with students.
32:08
Speaker 2: At Columbia University and other campuses.
32:10
Speaker 3: Second, he did it for a very very strategic reason,
32:14
Speaker 3: which was he knew that if he named the country
32:17
Speaker 3: after people who were still alive at that time, then
32:19
Speaker 3: those people could come to the Romans and say, hey,
32:22
Speaker 3: it's ours, give it to us. So he named it
32:24
Speaker 3: after the ancient Philistines, because when the Romans came with
32:28
Speaker 3: Pompey the Great and sixty three PC a few years earlier,
32:31
Speaker 3: the Philistines had already been dead and gone from the
32:35
Speaker 3: archaeological record about a thousand years earlier. And we should
32:39
Speaker 3: note that the Philistines were not Arab Muslims. They weren't
32:42
Speaker 3: in fact Arab or Semitic at all. They were a
32:45
Speaker 3: Greek speaking people from the Aegean c from Greece who
32:49
Speaker 3: spoke an Indo European language, a Greek type language, who
32:53
Speaker 3: invaded the area of Gaza thousands of years before. They
32:57
Speaker 3: have absolutely no genetic, archaeologist, obviously, religious, or ethnic connection
33:02
Speaker 3: to the Palestinians of today.
33:04
Speaker 1: Judge Roy k Altming, what a historical knowledge base you
33:09
Speaker 1: just gave me here. The book does that as well.
33:11
Speaker 1: Go get it. It's called Israel on Trial. It's available
33:13
Speaker 1: now on Amazon. I could talk to you for three hours,
33:15
Speaker 1: so you've got to promise that you'll come back on
33:17
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can do it in person when you're in
33:18
Speaker 1: San Antonio coming up later in the year. Can we
33:20
Speaker 1: do that.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I'm honored to be here and I look forward
33:24
Speaker 2: to seeing you.
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Speaker 1: The honor is all mine. Thank you very much, Judge.
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