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The Colts Report with Will Retherford & Sam Frick (2.192.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_03]: You are listening to the culture report with Sam Frick and Will Rutherford, only on the Central and Anna Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome Colts fans to the Central End in a Sports for an off-season edition of the Colts Report, which we haven't done in a couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are trying our best to find times to talk about the Colts and all that goes along with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a lot to talk about right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm joined by our Colts Regulars Sam Frick and Will Rutherford.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to remind everyone that they're just filling in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking for somebody to talk Colts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you know somebody, or you are somebody who thinks they can do it, 50, 25, 33, 3, 1, 6, 1, and even if you don't fit in with the Colts, we may be fine due as a contributor somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So guys, please let me start with this Colts report because and Sam's having all kinds of technical issues.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He might be in and out because he's been in and out a couple of times already.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But well, I'm going to start with my thoughts on
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[SPEAKER_03]: what's going on with the colds and okay I want to reiterate that I don't think Daniel Jones is a horrible option at quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't last year before the season I thought I told you I thought he could be a top 10 quarterback in the right situation and I still think that even with the injury it's possible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when you sign a guy like that for that much money you go over
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[SPEAKER_03]: hamstringing your any opportunity you have to upgrade another spot this seems not good enough to do anything with Daniel Jones why are they doing this will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that it's a CYA type of situation for both stiking and baller, for those who don't know, CYA is cover your ass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they find that they found a diamond in the rough with Daniel Jones, that they've worked out to their benefit, and he's their best opportunity for job security moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the way that you should run an organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: especially from the top down, but that's the way the colds have chose to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is 37 million a vast overpay with Daniel Jones?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, is this the same issue?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The colds are going to have with the giant side with Daniel Jones when they signed him do a $4, 160 million deal probably, because he's just not good enough to be able to be competent without good talent around them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the cult offense we said this year was going to be designed in a way that played his strengths.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the way that the roster construction was handled benefited Jones winning the competition and also benefited the offense as a whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that you're going to see some of these players that are not going to be able to be kept because you're paying the end of Jones more money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alec Pierce is a casualty of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a conversation we'll get into a little later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wish they would not have signed Daniel Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was one of those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not worth $37 million for one year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be right back in the same conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I fear next year if they're not able to get an extension done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It only makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they did my name in this video.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jones or the research shows that you turn ECL.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, only makes sense is if you're going at his age.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no B and E. He's can slightly above average and maybe make the and now they're just going to be out of here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's not a decision at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it just makes no sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I got to be honest as we lose Sam again, at least he got a word in, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think this is mass incompetence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're at the point where we got to just be asking ourselves, what the hell are they doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did they don't care about being a championship program anymore?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's a better championship move in signing Daniel Jones.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Letting everybody go and starting over is a better championship move than signing Daniel Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, last year, I thought last year was going to go horrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew that being right, whether I went to admit or not, I, you know, everybody was talking about how we were coaltators and I said for a while after three games, the year, I thought the course were the best team in the NFL, I still think they were through the first three games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, we said that the season passed season was going to be a disaster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was absolutely true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this season, looking for, we're staring down the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's going to be the situation where we, you know, sign this transition tag to damage zones, and then we're able to get a, you know, a deal done relatively quickly where you can maybe go and say, pierce here's the offer we're willing to give you, do you want to take it or not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see a situation where that happens, but it doesn't seem like that Daniel
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[SPEAKER_00]: Similar terms of what the contract may look like I just think this is just going to be sloppy nasty and it's just not going to end well for anybody and at the end of the day, I fear that they may be left without Daniel Jones, they may be forced to trade on me because they're just not able to come to terms on what an acceptable deal looks like from his team and the cult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate everything about this move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I so wish they would have given Richardson the opportunity of this past season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Show what he could do with one more year under his bailed obviously with the eye injury that a fluke thing that happened, I can't tell you if he's the starting quarterback if that happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just, I hate where this team is at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just staring down the same bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been staring down the last six years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like to call for people's jobs, but I just wish his ass would get canned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so tired of his.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I call for you when they deserve to be lost.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And his deserve to be lost a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least a year ago, at least a year ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a snake oil salesman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's good with words and he, you know, I just will think that the reason that the cults have kept him as general managers because he is the smartest football mind in the organization.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really think that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really think that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And thought that's a smart football guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's just good selling people on, but he's a politician.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's good selling people on what they think they want to hear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but when you hear the same thing five years or row,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The fans have seen through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The media is turning on them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The media is starting to turn on them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think when that happens, it can get, you know, they control the narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just fear that he's going to do the Daniel Jones extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get fired when they're not very good at the end of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to have to bring in a new GM who can clean up any sort of mess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, it's bats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, it's, this is just bat all the way around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a division where the rest of the teams are continuing to make smart moves and get better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The colds are The anomaly there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And welcome everybody to the culture pork.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I am going to say something positive about the colds coming up here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also have something positive to say, Greg, I think that we
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[SPEAKER_00]: have the same positive thing that you know we'll echo chamber back and forth of how how smart we are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, it's going to be positive with a caveat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope James able to come back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sam, I believe with us for good now, Will and I both said we had a positive mind as with a caveat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead, Will, because I think we probably have the same one, but I want to share my caveat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is so awesome they do not offer any sort of tag or anything out of Pierce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the best organizational move they've made in six years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be quite honest with you because signing out of fears to a 25 30 million dollar deal would have been the biggest waste of money ever spent in the cult's organization after Daniel James after Daniel Jones slam yeah I do too the positive was when we got in our last traps I'm
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[SPEAKER_02]: when we got our tight end of the future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to me, that was the best we made a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At least, at least in spite of all this chaos with Chris Barry's fault.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at least, yeah, it's by all that chaos with the colds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have our tight end of the future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we thank we do as long as we can keep them happy here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See you on the minute.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the only thing that the caveat right now the cold is is that the more we keep missing the playhouse, the more unsatisfying our players are going to be in the future and that's something that right now I just feel like Chris Bauer is too focused on the present and to worry about trying to save his job now as opposed to trying to do the best job possible to keep the franchise Stabilized for the future that's the most important thing at the end of the night as damn he swears he's not doing that same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, are you Chris Ballard of not doing a good job, Sam?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks he thinks everything he makes is a dream of, but we all see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a dipshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've said for two years that it's not ironic that the chiefs were not super good and then Chris ballered leaves and then all of the sudden they're excellent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the dude is actually just a sinking anchor anywhere he goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's full of shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's full of himself and I think he's full of getting a high knowing that
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's untouchable in this moment because this organization is not built in a in a structural capacity that can get him fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I that's how I feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the air say daughter is up to this point have done a bad job as I think they have done a really bad job of moving this organization forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's unfortunate because I thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: perhaps a changing of the guard, maybe good for the organization, maybe get fresh minds, younger, more in tuned with the current NFL market, and that's just not happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's disappointing is that nobody's come out and said, I don't think they're doing a very good job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I eat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to give them some grace at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a professional sports organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that a lot of people are pouring a lot of money into keeping going in terms of season tickets in terms of merchandise in terms of food and alcohol sales at the games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're not delivering on there into the bargain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the issue is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But will they've been bred for this since they were little children?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go back to the positive because I wanted to give my caveat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the positive is that
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[SPEAKER_03]: they didn't pay somebody what $300,000 you just mentioned up, something like that per catch is basically what they would have been paying out like peers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's insane to think that you would franchise tag at best a top end wide receiver too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's at best why he is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so at least they did that the caveat is if you don't have a quarterback whose average taking up a whole bunch of
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you can afford to make a move like that and hope that Alec Pierce becomes a bottom-end wide receiver one type receiver.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When's the last time the tolls make the playoffs again?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to make you remember that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 2020?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been six years and that's the thing right now is at this point, the fan base in Indianapolis has gone through a sense of apathy right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were right in it until the very end of each of those seasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, give them a break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't guarantee, but you can't guarantee they're going to be good again this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not, they're in good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Seven to nine wins every fricking year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see that movie before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who wants that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who wants that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who wants a franchise that hopes to get in the playoffs?
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[SPEAKER_03]: who wants that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Does anybody want that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, how many how long to take a receiver to become a number one receiver?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been in the league four damn years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still not a number one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many number ones in the NFL today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Took four years to get to that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of one can you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you think of any?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Signing him to a franchise tag would make zero sense and just come to absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I can't believe there are people I actually out there complaining.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's everybody and that just, you know, it's a show grab.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's the same.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, and we know he's an idiot and I love him to death, but is he really an idiot, Pat McAfee being grateful?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That they signed, they're they're going to sign Daniel Jones.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Greatful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a complete idiot if he thinks that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just Alec Pierce, I could Greg, I could list 30 receivers better than Alec Pierce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least, let's go by statistics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Alec Pierce and Juan del Robins in the last two years look awfully similar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, would any Coltsman want to get Juan del Robinson?
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[SPEAKER_00]: $25 to $30 million, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only because he's a Colt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, Alec Pierce wasn't on pace for some 1,000 yard season until Daniel Jones got injured and Phillip Rivers came in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was gonna be Michael Pittman and everybody's been on Twitter blasted and propaganda that Michael Pittman sucks now and he's horrible and Alec Pierce is the one, this that and the other, it's bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's a lack of awareness, it's just fandom, it's fandom and not being able to reconcile with the fact that Alec Pierce
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quite frankly, just it's not that good to warn 25 to 30 million dollars.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There are at least 20 others just like him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, there are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, for the tolls because of the predicament they're in today, they're going to have to make a decision.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they do they book value, pitman more, or do they value peers?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Personally, for me, outpairs is boomer bust.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what outpairs is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He may be good, he may not be good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see that value either.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Michael Pittman brings it every freaking week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, here's what I'm going to say about Pittman though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what Colts fans do not seem to be able to comprehend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Loyal Colts fan listeners, you tuned into this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you're awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but let's thank critically with our heads for a second, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel Jones doesn't push the ball down the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're gonna sign Daniel Jones and he's your guy moving forward, there's no reason to have out of Pierce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alec Pierce doesn't make Daniel Jones better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Pittman does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Pittman is Daniel Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or pipe of wire receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Big, able to catch the ball through the middle of the field of physical great ride walker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what these apples cults need if you're going to sign Daniel Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to keep that contract there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your Michael Pippmann's making $29 million, Greg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same as Alec Pierce was, and Michael Pippmann's production will be double that of Alec Pierce with Daniel Jones as his quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think anything less than that, you're fooling yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just not honestly watching the game and seeing how quarterback's match with different receivers' archetypes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, $29 million is too much for Michael Pippmann too, but I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, uh, that's a conversation for another time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Michael Pittman after Warren.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's probably the second most viable piece on this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I saw scarred me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Saw scarred me so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel very strongly about Michael Pittman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not only is a,
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[SPEAKER_03]: As a white receiver and a run block or all the stuffy brings every week, but such a great guy, such a likable guy brings it, oh man, why would you want to, so you overpay guy like that a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but outpairs would make
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just I don't I couldn't even comprehend it when the first time I saw the headline now that they're going to French I was like wait French I stacked still means top five calories in the NFL right because I have answers is maybe top 50 top 35 of you stretch it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if you stretch it, because the average most yards in the league per catcher, whatever, congratulations, you had 43 different receptions or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they do soon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we'll see that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Although I'm sure he'll go somewhere else who makes him big catches because he is a tough dude who makes catches down the field with good hands.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bluey watching some highlights, sometimes we go on man, be nice to have Alex Pierce, but not for that price.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's gonna be like miles turner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Someone's gonna pay him that much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna very much regret that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And look what happened in Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe we don't know, because colds fancy, but I think this is a bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Colds fans are the same people that want to resign miles turn or two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that we need to re-evaluate the our Lord's IQ of our our sports fans may this states full of I.U.Vans and Purdue fans we have always thought the other people were idiots like this uh... sit sitting over here on the sidelines I can say both of them are idiots because any time they think any either one of those teams have any chance to win their full of themselves so I mean they stayed all the way idiot I'm idiot
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll meet you admittedly, admittedly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, McAfee, if you're thankful and grateful for Daniel Jones, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just makes no sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No way for artists.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, maybe they'll go 11 and 6 this year and win the division and lose in the first round of the playoffs and we can all celebrate because honestly, if everything went perfectly will, perfectly, that's your best case scenario.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yep it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or they go 89 again and we have the same conversation next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the most likely thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would rather go 3 and 14.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna take my blood pressure great, I think we might just need to be done because I'm just Yeah, we're just thinking about the cults.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This pisses me off next week off season priorities.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, guys Thanks so much for listening to our ultra-positive go-to report this week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I promise it will not be like this every week going forward We will take very seriously the cult's priorities and off season needs because who knows maybe we're wrong
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[SPEAKER_03]: Plus, every time there's a free agent signing or somebody gets away, or there's a trade, right around draft time, we will have a special culture report, is very popular last year, so the board is doing that for you again this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much to Sam and Will, and to you for listening, please do us a huge favor and share this podcast with a cult fan in your life, help us spread the word that the Central Indian
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every single day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A little negative, but that was a really good podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will and Sam are really good at this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's say.
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