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Buck Showalter talks managing in a pennant race, valuing MVP candidates, World Series favorites · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: One of my favorite people in this great game of
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  Speaker 1: ours is the man joining us now on foul territory,
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  Speaker 1: Buck Showalter. I could listen to you talk baseball book
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  Speaker 1: at nauseum forever, and I appreciate you taking the time
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  Speaker 1: to be with us. It looks like you're home in Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where you are, but it looks like
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  Speaker 1: you're home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for being so busy. I'm just so busy. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you could be a traveling man. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: this is the best time of year.
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  Speaker 1: It's the best time of year because postseason is upon us.
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  Speaker 1: But these final two weeks of the season can keep
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  Speaker 1: a manager, a general manager, a president of baseball offs
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  Speaker 1: up at night. Take us back to your prep time
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  Speaker 1: in this moment, what was the most difficult time. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say that you are a manager that has you're still
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  Speaker 1: not quite in the postseason yet, but you know you're
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  Speaker 1: going to get there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's nothing tougher I think in baseball.
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  Speaker 3: Then closing now to that season, you know it's like
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  Speaker 3: that games just inch by and now you're watching every score.
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  Speaker 2: You try not to.
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  Speaker 3: It's really tough to close out a really good you've
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  Speaker 3: had this great season. Then all of a sudden, you
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  Speaker 3: just now it looks like you're going to make October.
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  Speaker 3: But you know that you have to finish the business
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  Speaker 3: because the math just doesn't do you know there.
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  Speaker 2: You know there's four different I say a lot, there's
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  Speaker 2: four ways you manage.
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  Speaker 3: You manage in spring train in a certain way, you
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  Speaker 3: manage the regular season a certain way, you manage in
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  Speaker 3: September a certain way, and then you manage a little
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  Speaker 3: differently in October with a sense of urgency.
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  Speaker 2: So it's uneasy.
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  Speaker 3: It is because the sense of urgency that you want
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  Speaker 3: to have to finish it off and never take anything
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  Speaker 3: for granted. While you've got a lot of people around
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  Speaker 3: you telling you how great you are. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: in a week's time you can be you know, a
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  Speaker 3: horse's rear.
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  Speaker 4: But if you are a good manager, can't you keep
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  Speaker 4: the team fresh and ready to go? Because it's all
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  Speaker 4: in the manager, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know fresh? What is fresh?
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  Speaker 3: The last time you were fresh air was when you
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  Speaker 3: got out of the car in spring training.
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  Speaker 2: That's the last time.
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  Speaker 3: That's what people I used to talk to John Harball
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  Speaker 3: in Baltimore about. I said, you guys play once a
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  Speaker 3: week man with an off week. That's what people that
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  Speaker 3: haven't been in the arena don't get. What you know,
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  Speaker 3: you have different degrees of percentage. Nobody's one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: That's gone a long time ago. I told a player
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  Speaker 3: one time, I said, you know, you realize you're ninety percent.
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  Speaker 3: It's better than his one hundred percent. And it's just
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  Speaker 3: you have different And that's why the mentality and emotions
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  Speaker 3: are so important in a clubhouse, and people that haven't
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  Speaker 3: been in the arena just don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 4: For sure, what do we what do we? What do
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  Speaker 4: we need to see from teams that are eight games up,
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  Speaker 4: ten games up? Saying what you were talking about, Like
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  Speaker 4: everyone's told you the whole season you're so good, Like
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  Speaker 4: look at the Phillies. Yeah, I get it, they're trying
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  Speaker 4: for that number one seed. But what do we need
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  Speaker 4: to see from them as not as far as like
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  Speaker 4: Rob Thompson, but as far as a team, because you
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  Speaker 4: want to get guys those days off. I don't attribute
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  Speaker 4: to anything too many days off whatever, that's beautiful at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the season, But what do you need
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  Speaker 4: to see from them? If you're watching the game day
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  Speaker 4: in and day out.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's tough, Eric is you can have a
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  Speaker 3: physical day off, but I think you got to be
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  Speaker 3: careful about checking out mentally and emotionally for too long.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think the help is what you're looking
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  Speaker 3: for people physically, but trying to mesh the emotional and
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  Speaker 3: mental sharpness and not lose that edge. That's why you
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  Speaker 3: see a lot of teams get hot and last and
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  Speaker 3: get in the last day or so and they carry
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  Speaker 3: it over and teams that have kind of turned off
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  Speaker 3: the faucet with the ten days two weeks to go have.
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  Speaker 2: A little trouble turn it back on.
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  Speaker 3: That's why, you know, the teams I like right now
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  Speaker 3: are the teams what plays a lot now all seasons.
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  Speaker 3: The guys that grind and put the ball in play.
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  Speaker 3: And you look at certain teams that don't strike out much,
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  Speaker 3: they're tough on starting pitchers. The great starting pitchers I've had,
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  Speaker 3: the sures Ers, the the Groms of Randy Johnson's, the Shillings,
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  Speaker 3: the guys that they hated were the guys that would
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  Speaker 3: foul off their pitches and make them do it again,
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  Speaker 3: Like they would rather face a guy that's going to
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  Speaker 3: strike out one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty times.
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  Speaker 3: They know if they make their pitches, he's out.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: If they make mistake, the ball ends up where the
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  Speaker 3: grass doesn't grow. But they don't like facing as they
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  Speaker 3: called them the sand flees. Randy Johnson hated all these guys,
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  Speaker 3: I call them the Jeff rebel ays that would play
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  Speaker 3: against him, Randy Vallardi, Gerald Williams. These guys, I wouldn't say,
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  Speaker 3: wore him out. But he didn't care about the three
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  Speaker 3: and four hole hitters. He want to know about how
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  Speaker 3: do I get these eight to nine hole hitters out?
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  Speaker 2: Buck?
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  Speaker 5: How much is managing change without the forty man roster
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  Speaker 5: you mentioned September, but now they only have the twenty
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  Speaker 5: eight man roster. And you were a big frontponent of this.
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  Speaker 5: How much has it changed because you can't give guys
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  Speaker 5: day off anymore. You can't give guys you know, oh
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  Speaker 5: we so we clinched. Let's give guy three days off
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  Speaker 5: because you don't have the players to do it.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big change. Aga. That's a good point. The
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  Speaker 2: two players.
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  Speaker 3: You're taking a pitcher and maybe a position player, and
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  Speaker 3: you're really not impacting your club that much.
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  Speaker 2: Let's face it you go to in a double header,
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  Speaker 2: they give you another player.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I always felt like you should just stay
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  Speaker 3: with the twenty five or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: It takes away from.
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  Speaker 3: The general manager and the manager and a coaching staff
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  Speaker 3: that can manage their team and their roster. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we've kind of now it's kind of robotic. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute, this guy, let's send him down. Get
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  Speaker 3: another arm up here. You know, a guy sent me
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  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago a playoff, I mean a
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  Speaker 3: roster from them. I think, I don't know. In the
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  Speaker 3: early eighties they had thirteen pitchers all year, all year.
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  Speaker 3: Well that was back when they had a long reliever
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  Speaker 3: or now, we're not going to get into back when
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  Speaker 3: they play. Nobody wants to hear that. But there's something
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  Speaker 3: different here. And the roster manipulation is something that goes
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  Speaker 3: on all year, but it.
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  Speaker 2: Is a big change now.
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  Speaker 3: It is a big change because a lot of clubs
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  Speaker 3: want to look at young players and get a feel
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  Speaker 3: for the off season.
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  Speaker 2: But you really can't do it that much anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Managers have so much more responsibility book, you know better
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  Speaker 1: than anybody than just writing in a lineup. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you have to manage personalities, and you have to be
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  Speaker 1: a psychiatrist and a psychologist and a counselor and all
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  Speaker 1: of the things. And I really believe managers have special
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  Speaker 1: relationships with players. How do you value if you had
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  Speaker 1: to vote on a most Valuable player, how do you
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  Speaker 1: value that player? Because it's not just about the statistics,
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  Speaker 1: which is what we're doing right now with Aaron Judge
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  Speaker 1: and Cal Rawly, But how do you make a decision
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  Speaker 1: over the one of those guys?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I do because I've got to vote, and I
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  Speaker 3: want to get into who I'm voting with, but it's
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  Speaker 3: just Player of the year, not an MVP of each league.
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  Speaker 3: And I got to tell you I'm leaning towards Raleigh
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  Speaker 3: because of the position he changed he plays, And I'm getting
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  Speaker 3: around your question with he's you know, won a Gold
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  Speaker 3: Glub last year.
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  Speaker 2: He's a plus defensive catcher.
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  Speaker 3: AJ can answer that better because some of the people
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  Speaker 3: that win gold Gloves aren't necessarily great. The fender the
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  Speaker 3: way they evaluated don't get me started. So but he
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  Speaker 3: you know, my question is would Aaron Judge do the
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  Speaker 3: things he's doing offensively? Was he was catching? I think
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  Speaker 3: it's one hundred and thirteen games as of today. You know,
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  Speaker 3: would he, you know, be able to handle a pitching staff,
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  Speaker 3: would he be able to throw runners out with gear on?
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  Speaker 3: Would he be able to do the same thing in
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  Speaker 3: a very pitcher friendly ballpark? Would he be able to
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  Speaker 3: do the same thing if he was traveling like the
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  Speaker 3: Seattle Mariners have to travel maybe the worst travel in
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  Speaker 3: all of baseball. I try to look at all those
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  Speaker 3: factors that play into to the value of a player.
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  Speaker 3: And he's also having an historical that I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if anybody will ever match again.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, Judging is a great player.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you can make a case for him, and
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  Speaker 3: Schwarber's having a great year, and of course Otani, But.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of ways, a lot of as you
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  Speaker 3: well know, that you impact a club. One of the ways,
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  Speaker 3: when I'm looking at a player in off season, I go,
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  Speaker 3: will he make his teammates better?
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  Speaker 2: I'm putting him on our roster.
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  Speaker 3: And you can ask a lot of people that have
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  Speaker 3: had him the year before and make the right phone calls.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not so sure the phone calls are being made,
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  Speaker 3: because sometimes the phone call is getting away of a
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  Speaker 3: pure analytical study if you throw a little crimp in
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  Speaker 3: the plans because of something that a clubby or a
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  Speaker 3: parking attendant, or a teammate or an ex coach may
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  Speaker 3: tell you.
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  Speaker 5: Hey Buck, That's why I never want any gold gloves
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  Speaker 5: because you wouldn't vote for me. You were too busy
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  Speaker 5: looking at the analytics.
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  Speaker 2: So it's cool.
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  Speaker 5: Not only did you never hire me as a player,
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  Speaker 5: you also never voted for me for a gold glove.
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  Speaker 2: So I get it.
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  Speaker 5: Good school, It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: It's under the next you duck me. That's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I tried, and that your agent kept telling you that
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  Speaker 3: you didn't want to play in New York.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kidding. You would have could have played anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: I would have come back and played for you in
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  Speaker 5: New York. But the last few years, I would have
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  Speaker 5: had a great time. I would have caught twenty games
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  Speaker 5: on one knee, Buck, I would have been the best
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  Speaker 5: twenty game player of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, don't get me going, all right?
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  Speaker 3: You know, have you shut a j I want to
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  Speaker 3: talk to you about catch your interference.
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  Speaker 2: There's a there's a team that has nine of them
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  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 3: And I just they're a team that's lost three games
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  Speaker 3: this year because of catcher interference, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Just don't get it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't get how if you're teaching something that leads
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  Speaker 3: to catch your interference, you're teaching it wrong. Okay, catch
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  Speaker 3: your interference. The other day a guy had a guy
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  Speaker 3: buried one, two, and the ninth in it, and catch
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  Speaker 3: your interference led to them basically losing the game. I
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  Speaker 3: know what I would tell as the catching instructor and
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  Speaker 3: the player. I know what I would ask them, you
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  Speaker 3: know what what's going on here? And what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: AJ? What is that all? Back?
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  Speaker 4: Back up?
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  Speaker 5: I think I had one catcher's interference in my career,
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  Speaker 5: and it was when Placido Polanco threw the bat on
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  Speaker 5: a pitch out and it hit me and I got
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  Speaker 5: called for catchers interference. I'm like, how is that catcher's interference?
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  Speaker 5: He threw the bat at me, But that's a different thing.
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  Speaker 5: But back up, who is the umpire?
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  Speaker 2: Who's the umpire? I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I actually don't remember who the umpire was because I
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  Speaker 5: didn't get ejected, which I'm just shocking.
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember, but.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I didn't know that was a rule.
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  Speaker 5: If he lets the bat go and it hits me,
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  Speaker 5: So why don't I just pick a bat up and
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  Speaker 5: chuck it at the first basement. If it hits him,
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  Speaker 5: I get first. That'd be awesome, right. If I'm in
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  Speaker 5: two strikes, just throw my bat backwards like that'll work.
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  Speaker 2: Umpires wrong there. I wish i'd have been there.
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  Speaker 5: Well anyways, anyways, But yes, catchers interference is a thing
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  Speaker 5: because they try to get too close and they try
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  Speaker 5: to steal that low strike right back up. You got
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  Speaker 5: to only got to back up a few inches. It's
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  Speaker 5: not like you're backing up a couple of feet. Back
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  Speaker 5: up a couple of inches and you can still steal it.
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  Speaker 5: But all the catchers reach out so far.
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  Speaker 2: Now, poor can't happen. Can't happen.
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  Speaker 4: It's because Bucket's because the people that it's because the
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  Speaker 4: people that created this style of catching have never lost
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  Speaker 4: a season or not made the playoffs by one game.
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  Speaker 4: They've never lost the play that one last playoff game
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  Speaker 4: by one run because they don't see the value in
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  Speaker 4: that one single run that could have been prevented had
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  Speaker 4: you just scooted back. They don't see it. They haven't
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  Speaker 4: been in the trenches. It's hard to it's hard to.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to tell them that. And those are the
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  Speaker 4: people that are dominating that discussion and they find value
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  Speaker 4: in it.
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  Speaker 2: Did you guys, Alana, Eric, Eric and aj did you
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  Speaker 2: guys see it? In the sixth inning, last now of
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  Speaker 2: the Padre game?
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  Speaker 3: Someone sent it to me uh Man on second I believe,
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  Speaker 3: two outs, long single to right field. Arah sits it
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  Speaker 3: over there and the catcher's running its second. Not that
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  Speaker 3: he's necessarily glow, but most catchers are well manny Man.
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  Speaker 3: He's the own deck hitter, and we used to talk
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  Speaker 3: from spring training about the own deck hitterer having to
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  Speaker 3: relay a sense of urgency to the runner. I know
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  Speaker 3: as a third base coach when a guy comes around,
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  Speaker 3: you know there's a play on a trail runner. You're
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  Speaker 3: going through the plate, through the plate, through the plate.
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  Speaker 3: And this guy was kind of jogged in the last
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  Speaker 3: three steps and the run they didn't ross got thrown
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  Speaker 3: out at second and they didn't get the run by
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  Speaker 3: half a step and that's that. Last night, it didn't
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  Speaker 3: bite them. But those those are the things that Eric
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  Speaker 3: is talking about. The little you know, one half a
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  Speaker 3: foot that kept them from scoring a run.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't allow the run because the rout was made
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  Speaker 3: a second you know, the own deck kitterer has a
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  Speaker 3: job to do, and Manny knows that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surprised he was taught.
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  Speaker 4: He was clearly not taught properly when he first got
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  Speaker 4: called up by his manager. So maybe maybe that's what
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  Speaker 4: it was. It wasn't Manny's fault. His manager when he
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  Speaker 4: was a rookie exactly didn't didn't drill it into him
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  Speaker 4: all right as a manager.
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  Speaker 5: It happened in the Braves game last night too, the
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  Speaker 5: Braves game yesterday. I don't know why Zuno tried to
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  Speaker 5: go to third, but actually the the guy who was
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  Speaker 5: running was the I forget who was on deck. It
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  Speaker 5: might have been PROFI was like, hurry. He was actually
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  Speaker 5: telling him to hurry up, and he missed it by
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  Speaker 5: you know, a foot too. But I don't know why
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  Speaker 5: it was. If you want you so crazy, shouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Have gone, remember you and Eric, you remember how that
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  Speaker 3: used to be taken care of in the clubhouse when
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  Speaker 3: that guy got back to the dugout or in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was my RB. I just think
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  Speaker 3: I could have been your rb I, your grett to your.
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  Speaker 5: Moment, right yep, go Nope, never have it either. I
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  Speaker 5: could't go to the Hall of Fame if it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: for that one rb I, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, and Dieter wouldn't have had the moment had you
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  Speaker 4: not brought Evan Meek in the game. Buck, But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna move on to show Hao Tani.
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  Speaker 4: Show Hao Tani kind of insinuated that, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: we're having to discussions about possibly playing the outfield in
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  Speaker 4: the postseason, possibly throwing out bullpen, like they're saying they're
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: discussing everything. Would you, as a manager have enough trust
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  Speaker 4: to put somebody one out of the bullpen, which he's
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: never done in the big leagues. Two go catch some
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  Speaker 4: fly balls in the outfield in the playoffs in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: which he's never done.
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  Speaker 3: Also, that's a good question, you know, without us being
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: there and knowing him like they know him, and Dave
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Roberts is obviously a great, very good manager and knows
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: his players. I've been saying for a couple of years
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: when people ask me about Otani.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always thought that.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: I would d h him and make him the closer
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: where he hits for eight innings and that way he
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: could impact your game every night as a hitter and
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: a pitcher. And I think he would be a really
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: good closer. You know, we talked about that with Zach
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Britton years ago and Jim Johnson. You know, a lot
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: these teams that are searching for a closer, they need
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: to just start looking at their starters in the minor
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: leagues and develop one. You can't do that, but I've
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: always thought, and then today I see something about him
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: maybe pitching out of the bullpen. I said, well, geez,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: there's a novel thought. But you know, the rules and
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: with the d H and putting him in the game
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  Speaker 3: and all the other stuff make it very uh, you know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: attractive to make him a closer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you guys think it can't happen.
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  Speaker 4: No, it can't happen. Alana would cry if something would
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: happen to her show Hey. But you also can't do
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: it because because if something happened, you don't you don't
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: want to lose show Hey in the game and then
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: he has to come up and hit in the tenth.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: We don't have the zombie runner at second base anymore.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's if.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: There is one person that could probably do it just
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: based on talent alone at show he Tani. But I
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: still don't want him out there. I don't want him
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: coming out of the bullpen. I don't want him in
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: the outfield.
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  Speaker 3: No, Well, let me ask you, a lon, what's more
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: of a physical risk him pitching past the fifth inning
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: or closing one inning a game?
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: About every three.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Days pitching past the fifth inning.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what he's doing now, So you're actually doing
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: him a favor.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: But they're not letting him go past five right now, Buck,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: They took him out. He had no hitter through five,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and they yanked him because they didn't want him to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the sticking to that script.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know when that script breaks and the
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: teleprompter doesn't work anymore, that's when you get to really
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: see some interesting things.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Buck, Who is it? Who are the best teams? And
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: you're watching who do you think is going to be
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: facing off in the World Series? And you can't, I checked,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: you can't pick two National League teams to face off
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: in the World Series.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I know who I like and pull for a
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: little bit because I love how Toronto's doing it. They're
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: a pain for a pitcher. They grind every you know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: they don't strike out much. They put the ball in play.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: They they're fun to watch. I like the Brewers. I
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: think the type of game they play plays in the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: off season.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I also like the Padres from that standpoint, I think
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: they're another team if they just get in. You know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: once you get that monkey off your back of just
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: getting in, there's a certain relief and uh but you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: how do you keep that edge? I think Toronto's for real,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: and everybody kept thinking, you know, they wouldn't be able
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: to hold on. Guess what, At every turn, they're answering
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of questions, you know. I know Chris Bassett,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I know Max Shurser, I know Kevin Gosman. I mean,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: these guys they're competitive. They're baseball players that happen to
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: be pitchers. There's a lot of pitchers that are just
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: baseball players because they're on the team, so to speak.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: But these guys are baseball players who happen to be pitchers.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: And I mean you would play in a sandlot with them.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: So I like where they are.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I like the Brewers and the game they play. I
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: think it plays in a in a series. They just
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: grimed on you too much. And I think the Padres
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a sleeper too. I don't think
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: people understand how good they're pitching.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: It is at times.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: It's because you're like a lot of your You're you're
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: like a homer for Manny Machado like Alana is for
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So we get it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: It's okay, we get that's why you like the Padres.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: We totally understand. Okay.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: So I'm sitting here in Cincinnati before I let you go,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: and there's one, two, three players out here with no
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: shirt on, no shoes, just shorts, just walking around the outfield.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Is that something that you had ever seen when you're
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: managerial days of just guys walking in the outfield with
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: basically nothing, no clothes on except shorts.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Are they barefoot?
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: All they have on shorts?
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: You know, Adam Autovino told me that sold me on
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: that he would go out and walk barefoot.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Can y'all explain me that whole thing?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Because Autumn is operating on a different level called grounding.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It's like supposed to be this like natural sensation of
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: your feet touching the grass, and it's supposed to give
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you like some sort of healing and and all of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the things some like like voodoo.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, is that the same thing these these guys on
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: the PGA tour they're putting and they have to walk
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the line and feel it in their feet.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: That's a that's actually something they're actually feeling.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: It the slope of the of the you know, here's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that's aim point.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: That's a point book.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm just trying to you know.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: That's what.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Hey, that's what That's what one of your good friends
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: does sometimes, except Demark might go forward with him.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying these Shambeau.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I got.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I got a conversation with him the other day. He's
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: a beauty. I love the guy. He doesn't really care
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: what you think if you don't like the way he
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: goes about golf, and hey, that's okay. I'm I'm okay
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: with it. But anyway, you know, the whole thing in
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the outfield whatever, who cares? There's enough battles that are
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: more important. Who really cares? I mean, you know all
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: the stuff about you know, I basically had to enforce
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: stuff that owners wanted enforce.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: That's what people miss, you know. Stein Mary was one way.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Colancelo was similar, so was Peter Angelo's Tom Hicks the owners.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Last the first time I really got to an owner
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: that kind of didn't care was uh was that was
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Steve Cohen. So basically, as a manager, you're just enforcing
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: the rules that the manager that the owner wants. You
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: don't like them, You're not working.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: What's the weirdest thing that somebody made you enforce that
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: You're like, this is a non issue. You don't have
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to say the manager, but like, this is a non issue,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? Like this is the this
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: is what is on the top of your mind.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I got to tell you.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: One of the keys this is going to sound crazy line,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: one of the keys to turn it around a little
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: bit in Baltimore was when I got Peter Angelo's to Okay,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: y'all gonna think I'm crazy, But when I walked in
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: and I talked to him about important it was to
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: the players and whatever. You know, if it's important to
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: the players, that better be important to us, I told him,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: And rather or not, we were just because we were
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: brought up a certain way.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't matter. I mean.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: And when I walked into clubhouse and told them that
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: we could have trimmed, well manicured goates, you have thought
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that I had delivered the holy grail. Oh my gosh,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: there's a new sheriff in town.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: The problem now is what is a neat well trimmed
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I mean. Marqukus's beard would grow. You could hear it grow.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: He had to shave twice a day. I mean, he goes, Buck,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I shaved this morning. What are you talking about? And
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I would always have the players police it, and it
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: was a little bit better that way.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Always a pleasure.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Buck. We love Yes, thanks for being here. All right,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: y'all make it simple. It's baseball, okay, more I would
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: do it some blurring