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Hospital Whistleblower Exposes SECRET Child Sex Change Program & It Gets UGLY w/ Eithan Haim · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. As difficult as the world seems right now, there's a silver lining to just about everything. And one of the silver linings that I see right now is that with so much adversity and so much evil in this world, it gives each and every one of us an opportunity to rise above it, to risk, to fight for the good. And that's not an opportunity that comes when times are good.
• 0:29
  When society is great and peaceful, there's no enemy at the gates, there's no, you know, demons inside the castle wreaking havoc. You can't really prove yourselves. You can't really show the world or show God more importantly, where your soul is at. But right now, we can. Because stepping up and speaking out comes at great risk, whether it's getting your social media deleted because you're, you know, sharing, you know, misinformation online, losing a job, having family stop talking to you, a number of things.
• 0:59
  So my guest today is a man named Eitan Haim, who is fearless. He is a, a surgeon that saw something very worrying. So he was working, doing his residency at one of the actually, I think the largest children's hospital in the world that was in Texas. And they had made these announcements that they were gonna stop doing any kind of transgender, treatments, surgeries, etcetera. Yet he saw behind closed doors and secretly, they were still continuing to do this.
• 1:29
  And so he risked everything and came forward anonymously at first as a whistleblower exposing this. His story then blew up. It helped some significant laws in Texas to be passed, and it seemed like everything was great until the HHS and the FBI started coming after him. And not just him, his wife interviewing people surrounding him. And so now he's embroiled in a very massive lawsuit, not just to defend himself, but to go after those that are committing this wrongdoing and coming after him for really stepping up and having a conscience.
• 2:02
  So folks, please enjoy the interview. Eitan, it is a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you so much for taking the time to join with us today.
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank you for having me. Really, it's a privilege to be here.
• 2:14
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. So we unfortunately live in an age here in America where the federal government has been weaponized against us, We the People. But it's not just like what you've seen in in previous totalitarian regimes where they're coming after you for, you know, spreading misinformation or propaganda or these kind of things. This is where we have the our federal agencies have adopted a a very radical agenda, and they're going after people that are opposing or exposing that agenda. So it's not really about what it used to be where it's just the the basic if someone's going against the iron curtain, they're gonna get, you know, caught and found out.
• 2:55
  This is much more sinister, I'd say, in many ways. And so you're someone that I would say risked your career and so much to come for as a whistleblower with, I think, what is some really important information, which I'll let you kind of detail. But then you witness the weight of the federal agencies, the DOJ coming after you for it. So I'll go ahead and just hand it over to you to introduce yourself and to tell your story. And I'll I'll jump in at different points to ask you questions, but you've you've got a really important story that needs to be told.
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it it's exactly like that. Like, makes us different from other times in history is that it's simply the act of telling the truth about what is obvious to a lot of people. And once you do tell the truth, you know you're living in a dangerous place in history when those who are in charge will do anything to go after those people who tell the truth. And I think that's what my story is mainly about because I'm just a regular person.
• 3:57
  I grew up in Florida, I have a brother and sister, great parents, my dad is a doctor. I saw how much his profession meant to him and how much his patients cared that he was their doctor. So I wanted the same thing for myself. So I went to undergrad in Florida, medical school there, but then I was able to do my general surgery residency training at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas. And one of the best surgical training programs in the country, right?
• 4:23
  It's you had all these massive developments there in terms of heart surgery, trauma surgery. That's where everything happened. That was like the center of surgery. So it was amazing to be there. And I was just a resident at the time that this whole story starts.
• 4:38
  And for those people who are unfamiliar, a resident is what you do, is what you are after medical school when you're training in your chosen specialty. So for me that was general surgery. It's a five year program. The academic center I was at was Baylor College of Medicine but we're affiliated with multiple hospitals that we train at. So one of them is Ben Taub, the big trauma center.
• 5:02
  You have St. Luke's which is a great tertiary care hospital for cancer and things like that but then one of the hospitals we spent the most time at is Texas Children's Hospital, the biggest children's hospital in the world. And I started my training in 2018 and I was able to see all these shifts take place after COVID started in 2020 where I saw everyone in my profession bend the knee to ideology and censorship. And things were bad during COVID, but I didn't think it could possibly get worse. But, of course, you know, as is consistent with our times, you know, it did get worse.
• 5:43
  So I believe it was the changes that happened during COVID that led to the proliferation of the transgender ideology. You know, before 2020, it was kind of this thing you kinda saw on the periphery of society. Right? There was that show I am jazz, but no one really thought it was a mainstream thing. I mean, not many people really cared about it.
• 6:04
  But then afterwards, you saw these clinics popping up in Washington, in, Oregon, in California, New York. You saw accounts like Libs of TikTok documenting how it's becoming pervasive in society. And you think it's happening in states like California and Oregon, but never in Texas and not at the hospital that I was working at. And I was dead wrong. But the story starts in March of twenty twenty two when the hospital, Texas Children's Hospital had said that they were shutting down their transgender program because of the legal risks.
• 6:42
  They had sent out that statement to a bunch of local news stations, right, to indicate that they were shutting down the program. But the reason they were doing it was because a few weeks before, the attorney general of Texas, Ken Paxton, had issued an opinion saying that it could be investigated as child abuse. So kinda makes sense why they would release that statement. They wanna make sure that they can cover themselves, make sure there's no legal liability as they said in their statement. So I was there.
• 7:11
  I did surgery there and I knew categorically that this was a lie. But I knew this was untrue because the people who were doing these surgeries on kids who believed they were transgender told me they were still doing it. Right? They told me about these kids who were 11, 12, 13 years old, but all these psychiatric problems that were going unaddressed, how they were implanting puberty blocking devices into their arms. And this was after this statement where they said they were shutting down the program.
• 7:43
  And what they told the public was one thing, but behind closed doors, they just continued it and expanded it.
• 7:49
  Seth Holehouse: Can you detail what are some of these surgeries? I think people hear, okay, a 12 year old, you know, having transgender surgery. What are some of the ones that are, like like, not saying, like, the details of how it works, but, like, what what goes on with a if a 12 year old's coming in and having this operation done, what does that typically entail? What what are the different types that that could be done?
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a surgery that I've done before, but on kids who have something called precocious puberty, which is the actual hormonal issue that's diagnosable, it's measurable, where you have a six or seven year old kid who begins developing signs of puberty because they have an overactive area in their brain that starts pumping out these hormones. So it's used in that disease, precocious puberty, to implant a small device into their arm in order to shut down this process that's pathological until the onset of puberty, at which point they stop the medications, go on to get natural puberty. So it's like a minor surgery, you just make a small incision in the arm, insert the device. But in this case, they were doing it for kids who believe they were transgender. And a lot of people, they kind of see puberty blockers as like a middle ground.
• 9:04
  It's, oh, it's not as severe as the mastectomies or the vaginoplasties. But I would actually strongly disagree with that because there's no surgery in the world that can cause a child's bones become that of like a 65 year old woman, where they make them brittle. There's no surgery in the world that can induce a child to become menopausal because that's what these purity blockers do. Because the changes are gradual and slow, people think it's not as bad, but what it's like is like having a million microsurgeries every single day for years. Because the end result is you have a 19, 20 year old man.
• 9:45
  If they were on puberty blockers for the entire duration of their natal puberty, they're gonna have the penis the size of an 11 year old. So there's no surgery that can ever do that. So it changes you from the inside out, where the other surgeries are just on the outside. So they're all crazy, they're all radical, but this is something that is, it's sinister and especially the fact that they said they were stopping it, but they had just continued it behind closed doors. That's horrible.
• 10:19
  Seth Holehouse: So okay. That's so basically, it's not like, you you know, they can they can do this little incision, put this little thing in there, and in say five years, they take it out and, you know, life goes back to normal. I mean, what what's happening as I understand it is that it's like this is my very basic basic understanding, but puberty in a lot of ways is the process that turns our bodies from a child adult female or male into an adult female or male. Right? So for a woman, you know, or a girl, she starts developing breasts, her period starts, you know, hair develops, all those things.
• 10:53
  And for for men, likewise, they develop, you know, down below and they, you know, their voice changes and and they develop, maybe hair in their chest and all the things that, you know, I went through as a going through this. And so it basically stops that. And so I'd imagine like what you said that, let's just say that some 12 year old boy goes in there, and he gets this because he thinks he's a girl and they say, well, if you take this puberty blocker, have this this surgery, then it'll be a lot easier to be to be a woman because, you know, his voice is gonna stay probably in a more higher register. He's not gonna have this big bulge growing in his, you know, pants that happens for for men when they, you know, kinda like the coming of age. And all there are things that would probably, maybe even, you know, bone structure, all these things that would change.
• 11:37
  And so if like you said, let's just say that 18 years old, he finally comes to a point where he's like, oh my gosh, like, this is ruining me. You can't just take it out, and then all of a sudden, everything's back to normal. I mean, this is a this is a person that is now, I'd say damaged, like is medically damaged. He will never be a normal healthy male in the way we look at men in terms of reproductive organs and all that. Like, this is it's a permanent change.
• 12:07
  Is that a correct understanding?
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and really, it's it's more horrifying than that, but that's exactly correct. Because once they're started, according to their own protocols, there's no exit route. There's there's no alternative. They are blackmailed with the threat of their own suicide.
• 12:27
  So if they express hesitation, if the parents express, maybe we should try something else, the first thing these doctors do is threaten them with their own suicide. And that's also what I found the hospital was doing because they hadn't, the directors of the program that supposedly didn't exist were given the opportunity to speak at the hospital's most prestigious lecture series, which shows that this was a institutional priority. And they were talking about how parents would express concern. The first thing they would do is say, well, your kid's gonna kill themselves if you don't do this. So by their own protocol, it's not reversible and reversible is kind of a myth, it's a euphemism because nothing is reversible if you do it medically.
• 13:17
  Like if you do something to someone, you can never take that back. But what they're trying to say is, are the effects minimal? Like if you put a PB blocker into some kid and rather you do the injection which only lasts three months, the blockers last twelve months, right? Sorry, the implant lasts twelve months. So if you do an injection for a kid who's 11 years old and that's it, don't pursue it anytime after that, you would say that the effects are minimal because they're just gonna go on to have puberty.
• 13:53
  But in the case of these transgender clinics, they're threatening these kids with their suicide. The protocol says there is no other option. You have to block the entirety of puberty, go on to hormones and then surgery. And the statistics back this up because ninety five to ninety eight percent of kids who are starting on blockers go on to cross sex hormones. By that point, they are permanently sterilized because when you start blockers before the onset of puberty, your sperm or your eggs in women or in girls never get the chance to go through the process to become viable sperm or eggs.
• 14:35
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• 15:48
  And I wanna get into more of your story, but just reflecting on this, the fact that we're having this conversation. I mean, when let's say, if you look back at ancient cultures and say you find this civilization that ends up collapsing, You you look for signs and indicators of what the society was like, and you can usually correlate the way a society was with its collapse, whether it was rampant corruption, you know, whatever it was. You look back I can imagine the future people looking back on this society and saying, gosh, that society got to a place where they're literally, like, mutilating children. Like, the government was sponsoring the mutilation of children and killing the fertility of the race. Like, like, the damage being done by this is so horrific.
• 16:39
  And, you know, and with a lot of things, they happen very gradual. So, like, for a lot of people, they now were used to it. You say, oh, there's transgender stuff, and you're kinda used to it. But even if you went back to the nineteen fifties, and you asked someone in the nineteen fifties, do you think America could ever get to a place where they'd be literally chopping the breasts off of children and chopping, you know, up these kids and and doing this, they'd say that that that would never happen. There's no way it could ever happen, but here we are, and it's it's here.
• 17:05
  And so so but, you know, so your story, so you are doing your residency at this children's hospital, and you see these announcements, you see Ken Paxton coming forward saying, okay, this is this is now potentially where we're looking at this as potential criminal, investigation for child abuse. And now you have done these surgeries, but like most surgeries that get done and and are being used maliciously now, there's oftentimes the original way it was being done was helpful for people. Right? There's it's kinda like amputation. Right?
• 17:34
  That you can successfully amputate someone's leg to save them from infection or whatever it is. But if you do that with no cause of infection, it's a pretty malicious operation to do to somebody. Right?
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Like mastectomies, you know.
• 17:48
  Seth Holehouse: They're even better. Even better. So you saw this happening. And what do you think? You thought, I I gotta do something about this?
• 17:57
  Like, what was that process you went through?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't believe it. I I didn't so I thought this must be, like, holdovers from before the announcement. Like, maybe they just had them scheduled and then they're doing it. It's like, okay. Fine.
• 18:10
  Whatever. But then over the next couple of months, it becomes more and more frequent. The stories become more and more horrifying. They're getting younger and younger. And then I'm thinking to myself, this can't just be a one off situation.
• 18:23
  So then I started looking into it more. And then I look at the Texas Children's Hospital website and I do that because every clinic has to have a website where parents can go schedule appointments, find out who the doctors are. And there was no indication that Texas Children's Hospital had an active transgender clinic. So I was thinking to myself, like, can this really be that the biggest children's hospital in the world had told the public one thing, but behind closed doors, they're just, like, completely lying. It just seems so insane, but then all doubt, you know, was removed in January of twenty twenty three.
• 18:59
  So it was seven months after that statement. Right? Sorry, sorry, nine months. It was March of twenty twenty two, it was in January of twenty twenty three that all doubt was gone because that's when the directors of the program were given the opportunity to speak at the hospital's most prestigious lecture series. So it's like you have the directors who are teaching the general pediatricians how to ask about gender identity behind the backs of their parents, how they're involving psychiatry, endocrinology, social work, case management, all these different portions of the hospital into this program.
• 19:34
  But then there was even a social worker who we had on a Zoom conference with like 150 medical students in January of twenty twenty three talk about how she would, instead of documenting consults to go to the transgender clinic, she would call them. And she said she called them in order to avoid scrutiny from the governing medical bodies in Texas. So she was talking about how she was concealing it from the public, is like the worst thing you could possibly do in the medical profession, which is to not document things. I mean, that's like our entire job, to justify what you do. So at that point I knew I had to do something about it because they are lying about a program that is manipulating, mutilating and sterilizing these children.
• 20:25
  And what they're doing is abusing them. I have a responsibility as a surgeon to do something about that because my responsibility doesn't just apply to my own patients, right? The people who I do surgery on or the people who I see in clinic but also to the people in my profession. So I have a moral responsibility to do something. So that's when I began reaching out to journalists in January of twenty twenty three, but it took me months to actually get ahold of someone who was willing to take the story.
• 20:53
  Seth Holehouse: And so what happened next? Who took your story and then what was the process after that?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I got in touch so I just sent cold emails to, like, hundreds of them to all these different news organizations. And and they all either didn't believe me because the story was was too insane to believe or, you know, they just thought I was a nobody. So it's like, why listen to this guy? But Christopher Rufo demonstrates some interest.
• 21:17
  This was in mid May of twenty twenty three. So, we go through the process of making sure that I was legit. Right? That I worked there, that the information was correct, and that it they were actually really aligned to the public. So we go through, the whole process of vetting.
• 21:35
  And then he releases a story on 05/16/2023 with me as the anonymous whistleblower, and the story, demonstrates that the hospital's lying to the public about their transgender clinic. They said they shut it down when they did the exact opposite. But the amazing thing was it came at the perfect time because I didn't know this at the time, but the Texas senate was voting on a bill called SB 14, which was a law that was gonna ban these interventions in children. And the vote was was scheduled on May 17, a day later. So our story comes out a day before.
• 22:16
  So the effect of it is exactly what we were hoping, where within twenty four hours of our story coming out, the conduct we had exposed was voted to become illegal in a bill that was passed with bipartisan support. And it was because our story came out that multiple Democrats voted in favor of the law because they didn't think this kind of thing was happening in their districts.
• 22:43
  Seth Holehouse: Incredible. Incredible. And so so you went to Christopher. He wrote this this article. This comes out.
• 22:49
  It obviously reaches a lot of lawmakers at the right time, and and they see, okay, hey, let's make this into law. So when that so that website I just pulled up there, I believe this is it. Right? This is September 2023 that the yeah. S SB 14.
• 23:04
  Right? The SB 14 passed, which which forbids gender transition hormone and surgical interventions for minors, which the puberty blockers, which I would assume that falls under this. So Yep. Did the hospital when this law went into effect, were they still continuing secretly? Or was this enough to this law going into effect, did that stop them completely?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the law went into effect in September of twenty twenty three. It was passed May 17. It also would take a couple months because it got challenged by the ACLU and bunch of other organizations, but it was about a week and a half later that the CEO of the hospital had said that they were going to shut down the program for the second time in just over a year in accordance with SB 14. So according to them, they you know, I and we got taken for their word that they are no longer doing this after the passage of a law.
• 24:04
  But I would also contend that this has always been illegal. Right? No matter the passage of s b 14 or anything else. Right? This, in my estimation, right, is child abuse.
• 24:17
  Right? What they're doing is taking kids with psychological issues and using physiological solutions to convince them of something that is not true. Right? And then blackmailing them with the risk of their own suicide about it. So yeah.
• 24:33
  No. But that is correct. So you know, it was a it was a about a week and a half later that the CEO said, you know, that they're not gonna do anymore, but what they're gonna do is send all these kids to other states to have it done.
• 24:45
  Seth Holehouse: I see. So it seems like from the story you told me so far, this is a big win. And it's it's almost, you know, a little bit of, you know, happily ever after. Right? Okay.
• 24:56
  That the whistleblower came forward. The article was published just in time. The law was passed, and and it's being it's done. But that's not how the If
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I can, Yeah. If I can mention, I mean, was another whistleblower who came out. Right? Another person who worked in the clinic with these doctors who expressed how how horrified they were to see how, like, kids were being put on blockers and hormones after, fifteen minutes. They would ask a girl, it's like, do you not want to go through your periods?
• 25:23
  And the girl was like, no, I don't want to go through it. Well, here's a bunch of testosterone. And then the attorney general Ken Paxton also announces an investigation into the hospital. So it's like, I mean, it was the biggest win you could possibly imagine. And I'm just, I'm anonymous at the time.
• 25:39
  No one knows who I am. So yeah, I just went back into my normal life. Until
• 25:44
  Seth Holehouse: what?
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, until about a month and a half later. So this was my fifth year of surgical training, the year I was graduating. Finishing my training, I had a job lined up, getting ready to move on with the rest of my life. So the next part of the story starts on 06/23/2023. And the story just for reference was 05/16/2023.
• 26:09
  And it was the day of my graduation from surgical training. One of the most important days of my life where you sacrificed so much the previous five years, you miss all these important life events but now it's like you're a surgeon, right? Like you have all this responsibility, it's a meaningful day, my family's in town and I'm getting ready for the ceremony in the evening. It's me and my wife at my apartment around 11:12 in the early afternoon. All of a sudden, I get an aggressive knock on the door.
• 26:37
  And I'm like, man, it was weird. Right? Didn't really you know, didn't expect that, but I shuffle over, open the door, standing outside are two federal agents. They tell me they're with health and human services. They show me their badges and tell me that they're investigating a case regarding medical records.
• 26:53
  And in that moment, you just kind of freak out. You just don't know what to do, in the back of my mind, I knew exactly why they were there. Because a month before, we had challenged the dominant political ideology. And if I can do that, if if we can do that and have this law passed within twenty four hours, have other whistleblowers coming out come out, then how many other people might do the same thing? So we knew that they were there to make an example as me.
• 27:17
  But you only know what to do so I invite them in. We sit down and exchange some small talk and they start setting up a tripod to do an interview with me. And I'm like, oh, man, it's probably a bad idea. But it was it was perfect timing that my wife comes out and she's a brilliant attorney. And she had actually just been hired at the Department of Justice as a assistant US attorney in the Northern District Of Texas.
• 27:46
  She was undergoing a federal background check at the time. They didn't know this, but, you know, just for context. So we both look at each other, my wife and I, and we go back to our bedroom and, just to have a conversation. And we both knew that we shouldn't talk to them without an attorney present. So go back out and I tell them that and they say, okay, no problem.
• 28:04
  They leave, the door closes. But before they left, they had given me something called a target letter. So after the door closes, we read this letter, and it had informed me that I was a potential target of a criminal investigation. And it was signed by a assistant US attorney in the Southern District Of Texas, informing me that I was a potential target. So we knew that we had a decision to make.
• 28:33
  Do we try to comply with was obviously this phony corrupt investigation? Like they're trying to make an example out of me or do we try to fight back? I knew that like they were there to like instill fear, to intimidate, but as they were coming to find out, they knocked on the wrong door because that day we decided to fight. We knew that like if we didn't do anything in that moment to fight back that, like what kind of future are we delivering to our children? Like if you stand up, all you do is tell the truth and fulfill the responsibilities of your profession.
• 29:03
  You're gonna have the most powerful federal Leviathan come after you. So we knew this was corrupt. We knew we had to fight against it. And it was really in the months after that that, you know, we found out how how deep the corruption went.
• 29:17
  Seth Holehouse: So talk about some of that corruption and talk about what was behind this. Because to me, what it looks like is it's not that you were, say, like a Boeing whistleblower. And you, you know, like you you breached, you know, NDA and you breach contracts to release, you know, very private information. You know, this is I I think this is very different than that. And so them coming after you, you know, really this we're getting into the DOJ and these agencies coming after you, Is it just because you went against this ideology that the current regime has adopted?
• 29:56
  Is that really what it is? Is it you're you're someone who spoke out, and they're they're making an example of you?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and I think that is exactly it. And so what we did is after these agents came, I got on the phone with Chris Ferruvo. Right? And, you know, I tell him what happened.
• 30:15
  He says, you can't clear his schedule, put me in touch with a lawyer. And this was the perfect person who who I've could have gotten in touch with. She was a lawyer who had just left a position at a big law firm. She left because she didn't wanna put pronouns in her bio, gave up a 7 figure salary to start her own law firm. And she's like this Shiite Catholic, rosary in one hand, middle finger in the other, like bulldog and attorney.
• 30:40
  So I get on the phone with her and we realize that she's the perfect person for this job. So we choose her to represent us. And it was in the next couple of months, the interactions that my attorneys had with the Department of Justice that had really horrified us and had showed us how deep the corruption went. And it took me really six months of these experiences to make the decision to take this story public. And it was because of how bad it was getting.
• 31:12
  And after I took this story public, my attorneys you know, felt obligated themselves to blow the whistle to document how corrupt what this prosecutor was doing. So what they had to do was write a letter to congress. Right? The people who are supposed to represent us were supposed to hold these bureaucrats and these prosecutors accountable. And what that letter documents is that this prosecutor had no understanding of the facts of the case.
• 31:41
  She had admitted this to my attorneys. Right? She said that she would bring me to a jury trial even if she was sure that she was going to lose, right, which is completely outside the scope of what a federal prosecutor is supposed to do. You can't just bring people to trial without a probable cause, without having a reason for it, right? She had accused me of of felonies.
• 32:07
  Right? All I have to do is apologize, and I can avoid felony prosecution. But felony prosecution for what? They never specified. They said I violated HIPAA, but they never, express how I violated HIPAA.
• 32:20
  They said, I violated access, but they never specified how that was possible. And worst of all, without knowing any of the facts of the case, They didn't know anything about the case, the details, anything. They did enough research to find out that my wife was undergoing a background check. And she brought that up. She says, Well, Andrea, my wife, is not gonna have any problems unless she continues to become difficult.
• 32:51
  What she was referring to was my wife advising me of my constitutional right. So you have this person who has no case, right, who's using her authority to go after someone who who specifically told the truth. And another thing she said was that, you know, I had no right to blow the whistle. She said it wasn't my job, that if I really wanna do something, I should have gone on the street and held a sign. She's telling me how to do my job when she has no idea how to do hers.
• 33:23
  It became so clear that you know, the abuse of authority, right, that she's using her position to go after political enemies. Like, she should reconsider what the components of of her job is before she tells me how to do mine. And and I thought to myself, it's like, the only legitimacy this investigation has is legitimacy I grant it. It's only if I comply with it. If I just tell people how corrupt this is, then it becomes self evident.
• 33:59
  Right? The only legitimacy is that which I grant them. So I made a decision. I was like, I'm gonna be destroyed if I stay silent, if I if I stay anonymous, if I try to fight this in the shadows because that's how a corrupt department of justice works. Like, if you stay in the shadows, if you don't tell the truth, right, you're gonna get destroyed.
• 34:19
  So I thought to myself, like, I'm just gonna tell this story, but I'm not gonna only just tell this story. We're gonna hold these people accountable because if they're gonna go after me, they're gonna go after a bunch of other people. Right? The only way for me to preserve my profession is to fight back. The only way for me to preserve this country, to preserve refuge for my children is to fight back.
• 34:41
  So that's exactly what we decided to do. In the process, you know, we've sacrificed a lot. We spent over $200,000, everything we've ever saved. You know, I don't say that as a victim. Being able to spend that money to fight back has been the greatest privilege I've ever been able, you know, been a great privilege of my life, you know, and that's exactly what we're doing.
• 35:03
  So
• 35:04
  Seth Holehouse: And so, obviously, with legal stuff, there's probably limitations as to what you can talk about. But where is this process? I mean, so you're it's it's kinda like they think that you're just this little guy that they're the bully. They can come up and and, you know, punch you a few times, and you'll give them your lunch money. But but instead, what you're doing is you're saying, No, you can't have my lunch money.
• 35:24
  And and you bring in your bowler to come, you know, fight with them, and then expect that. So Yeah. You're so how are you so, a, who are you going after? Like, your defense or, you know, with your fighting back, what are you fighting back against and and what are you doing and what do you hope to achieve?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and I would say this is one of those cases that's unique because I kinda blew caution to the winds. Right? It's like, this is one of those legal cases where I'm willing to talk about every single aspect of it, right? Because all my attorneys said, this is a bad idea, you should not go public, right?
• 35:58
  Well, of course, no, I have to. I mean, is not the same country that we grew up in. Right? This is not a legitimate justice system where they're actually seeking the truth. Right?
• 36:11
  This is something that we have to take our fight to the public in order to for our our elected representatives to do something about it. So but to answer your question specifically, who are we going after? The letter my attorneys, had sent to congress was sent to Jim Jordan, the, select subcommittee on the weaponization of the Department of Justice in the house. So what we are intending on doing is hopefully pursuing a congressional investigation into the prosecutor, number one, the FBI, number two, because we know that the FBI had been involved with, for some reason, interviewing a bunch of residents at my old program, right? Like for what reason, we have no idea.
• 36:57
  There were a couple other instances of the FBI using these very aggressive tactics towards people. I cannot disclose who those people were but other portions of the story and what's their involvement, but also health and human services. How is it that health and human services had mobilized all these resources, a typically sclerotic slow moving organization, but they have mobilized all these resources in four weeks to find out who I am, where I live, what day my graduation is, what time I graduate, find out the best time to come to my apartment the day of my graduation, but also to find out it was me who was the anonymous whistleblower. So, you know, what authority are they abusing that should be taken away from them? So that's one aspect of it, but we're also going after, you know, individuals within the state of Texas, you know, attorneys who challenge, laws like SB 14 who explicitly lie in their lawsuits challenging it, misrepresenting facts about the medical science, because these are violations of the ethics of lawyers.
• 38:10
  And if we don't hold them accountable, then then how are we ever going to be expect to win in this fight when the primary tactic is lawfare against their opponents.
• 38:22
  Seth Holehouse: That makes sense. Okay. So I've got a question for you, which is maybe a little bit more gonna be extrapolating and trying to understand something and maybe it's even more philosophical. The the mechanism, this massive apparatus between now in a, you know, FBI, HHS, obviously, on a more local level, the the attorneys that the the assistant, you know, DA, and I think Southern District of where, you know, your area. It's obvious that there is this behemoth of an operation that is trying to push forward and protect the ability to mutilate children and to ruin these children's lives.
• 39:05
  And that's not even getting into the apparatus of promoting this stuff and promoting Pride Month and all the the rights of this and and all the books books getting into schools. I mean, it's a massive thing that to me is hard to make sense of. And, you know, you you can't see the forest through the trees, and so we're when we're in the the in the woods, it's like what I mentioned earlier, we don't see what it is. You go back to the nineteen fifties, you can see it for what it is. You see how insane it actually is.
• 39:33
  In your opinion, and based upon your experience with these interacting with this, what do you think is the driving factor? Why do you think we're at a place where there's even this much energy and money and effort going into performing these operations on children. And and maybe it's a spiritual answer. Maybe it's, you know, a criminal answer. But when you try to when you're laying at bed at night thinking like, what what am I actually up against here?
• 40:01
  What what do you come to?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's funny you asked that. It's such a good question because I've spent so much time thinking about that. Like, inordinate amount of time because that's really the crux of what it is. Like like, it seems so crazy that we're even having this conversation. Right?
• 40:17
  Like, growing up, did you ever think you would talk to someone about right? Like like, if they told the truth, they're being targeted by the federal government. Right? It's crazy. But I think it has to do with the conflict between the shame of those who lie and the conflict with those who tell the truth.
• 40:35
  Because when people lie, they adopt a certain amount of shame. And when they're surrounded by other people who lie, who've also adopted that shame, then there's there's no conflict there. Because when they look at the other people who were lying, then they see the same shame that is within themselves. Right? Because everyone's lying.
• 40:54
  But when you have someone who enters that little milieu of of shame and and deceit who tells the truth, that person introduces, like, these tiny little photons of light, which exposes the shame for what it is. And that explains why these people make such a great effort to destroy those people who tell the truth. Because once you have the truth, then you have the extent of the shame be revealed to the people who are doing everything possible to avoid it. So what we kind of commonly refer to as cancel culture is just that, but it's not something that's unique to our time. Like, these people have to shut down anyone who tells the truth because if the light becomes bright enough, what happens is they have to come to terms with the reality that although they said they were the ones who were trying to protect these kids, who who were trying to save their lives, who were trying to affirm them, When enough light comes to bear, what's gonna happen is they're gonna have to come to the conclusion that was actually them, they themselves who were destroying these kids, that it was themselves who were feeding these kids to the wolves, were lying to them.
• 42:11
  And when all these kids go so far down this road, right, they look in the mirror and they say, you know, what happened to me? Right? Like, why can I not have kids? And they say, why should I go on living? And they say, where were the people who love me?
• 42:25
  Who were the ones who were supposed to protect me? And they make the conclusion that they were the ones who had fed me to the wolves. Why is the risk of suicide so high? Well, at that point the question becomes redundant. So I think that's what's driving it.
• 42:39
  You have so many people who had adopted this lie that this is a good thing, that they cannot possibly come to the conclusion that what they were doing the whole time was actually destroying people they were claiming to care about the most.
• 42:54
  Seth Holehouse: It's almost as if I I believe that all of us have souls. And I believe that that soul is very closely tied to what we think of as our conscience. It's this some part of us that actually knows right from wrong. Now I think that the conscious can be covered up. It can be trained the wrong ideas from a very young age.
• 43:14
  Right? Which is why communism tries to get a hold of people at a very young age. But I think that fundamentally, though, it's always there, even if it's buried. And so what I take away from this and from your answer, think it's a very it's the answer that reflects a lot of deep thought into the why, as to what I asked you, is because what you represent to some of these people, whether it's the people within the hospital doing it, whether it's the the DA protecting it, whether it's the FBI agents covering it up. What you represent is their conscience that they have fought so hard to bury.
• 43:50
  And so when you bring this up, maybe there's a moral dilemma inside of them, or maybe they're so far gone doesn't exist anymore, but they just they know that there's some part of them that they're fighting against. Because if you expose that, all of them, I think the people that are complicit in this, eventually, they'll have to face that reality. And whether it's right now or on their deathbed, okay, or in there after you after they die. Right? Whatever our actions now will will echo through eternity.
• 44:16
  And so whatever it is they're doing, it's like you represent that. And so it makes sense. Like, to me, it's it's great because in a lot of ways, I think it's a very spiritual answer. It makes sense why there's some part of you them that actually probably hates someone like you and why that that the assistant DA wants to destroy you and wants to destroy your wife because there's something inside of her that she also hates just as much.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it it's like and because what they know too is just like, you know, when when we see someone get canceled, right, they wanna make sure that that person they kinda degrade themselves and adopt the lie. Right? They repeat some false, you know, utterance, it's like a hymn to this new religion, that they submit themselves, they kneel to it. So they degrade themselves and they kind of reinsert themselves into this group that has accepted themselves based on a lie.
• 45:12
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• 45:36
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• 46:21
  Speaker 2: So it kind of self perpetuates, but then they also know that when someone feels a shame, right, there's one of two decisions. Right? You can either continue to lie or you can see the person telling the truth as as something to live up to. Right? Like, feel the shame, but you know what?
• 46:38
  I can change my behavior and live up to it. And they know that once there is that light or someone who's telling the truth, that if more people believe that they can live up to that standard, that all I have to do is is speak the truth, then that becomes like this snowball effect. Then more and more people will start doing it, which is why they so aggressively try to destroy people like me. But it's so amazing to see the response because after I came out with my story, all these people have reached out to me, right? Like different whistleblowers who we're working with now, right?
• 47:12
  They saw my original story came out and they were like, well, I felt this shame, but I felt like I had to do something about it. Right? I had to to rid myself of that shame in order to, you know, save my own soul because for all of us, it's like we couldn't live with ourselves if we didn't do something about it. So it's like the only way to redeem yourself when you're faced with this existential crisis of of, you know, like your own moral dignity. You know, what do you do?
• 47:42
  But you have to act. And I think more people are starting to do that now because they realize what's at stake.
• 47:49
  Seth Holehouse: You mentioned that, you know, people of the lie. Basically, the people who bought into it and and are defending it. Remember, this book, it's literally called people of the lie. That's crazy. Yeah.
• 48:02
  It says, just a little quotation here says people who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Right? Like, that's it. Like, that summarizes our explanation right there. It says people who are evil attack others instead of facing
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: 2,200 reviews. I I mean, that's that's huge for for a book on Amazon. I had never heard of this book before. It's kind of funny that I don't think I've ever used that phrase before.
• 48:30
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. It's interesting. So, Eitan, before we we sign off, and I appreciate you being here. I appreciate giving me the opportunity to help your story get to more people. I do wanna pull up, two page two other pages.
• 48:45
  One is just your Twitter. I'll put this in the link below. It's just at Eitan Haim, which, know, people can find that in the description to the show. So I encourage folks to follow what you're doing there. Also, you have a Gives and Go.
• 48:58
  Obviously, there's a massive legal battle, which means a massive financial battle, and the people that we're up against have almost unlimited funds. So, it's, give,send,go.com/texas_whistleblower. If anybody wants to support what you're doing, whether it be with prayer, with share, or with giving, right, which is obviously those the tents of give, send, go. I encourage that. And so, Eitan, do you have any, words in closing?
• 49:23
  Any last, thoughts you wanna share before we sign off?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I I just wanna thank you so much for having me on. It's really a privilege to be a part of it and and talk to you. And, it just I would really encourage people like now is the time to fight. And if you want to support our effort, they can donate to the gifts and go.
• 49:39
  It's just important for people to know too that all that money goes straight into the legal battle. Like my wife and I, we've accepted we're gonna be broke for a long time. That's not gonna change for years and years to come and that's okay. That's the fight we've taken. So the money is going towards our offensive actions now.
• 50:00
  So yeah, if you wanna be a part of it, that's the place to go. Also the one last thing I would say is, there's a lot of people I'm sure who are listening, maybe who are in a situation where they feel like they could blow the whistle on something or they could do something, but they think they don't wanna take the risk because their life might be destroyed, right? They might lose their job or whatever, or they won't be able to pay their mortgage, And they think they would step into this world that is like dark and dangerous and there's no hope in it. But I can tell you that in my experience, that's what I thought. But once I stepped onto the other side, you realize that the grass is so much greener, right?
• 50:41
  It's like you can't even believe that you would ever had considered not doing it before because it's like for the first time, I'm just able to live with basic dignity. I'm just able to tell the truth and I'm sure there's one or two people who are listening who are in the same position. And no matter what financial sacrifice there is, right, it's like you want your kids to be able to grow up one day and be like, my dad or my mom had done something that actually had an impact. And, you know, those those stories are gonna be carried on, you know, for generations, just like my grandparents did. So, you know, that's the last thing I would say.
• 51:17
  Seth Holehouse: Wise words to conclude with. So thank you again. It's been a pleasure speaking with you. I hope hope the best for you. I hope you get some support after this interview that's coming in.
• 51:28
  And we'll want to do some sort of update maybe a couple months once once things have progressed and just checking on how you're doing.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll tell you what, there's gonna be yeah. There's something coming soon. That's will be pretty good.
• 51:41
  Seth Holehouse: Good. Good. What what what to do a show on it? Yeah. Alright.
• 51:46
  Well, take care and God bless, man. As we've talked about a lot, I believe that one of the greatest threats to our freedom comes in the form of digital currency, specifically central bank digital currency, which I believe would take away our freedoms in ways that we've never even imagined before be that significant. Now, this past week, the house passed a bill that actually bans the Federal Reserve from issuing a central bank digital currency to the American citizens. Now this seems like a fantastic thing, because it is. It's still forward progress, but there's a lot of things in there that are catching that aren't necessarily what they seem.
• 52:24
  So today, with my guest, doctor Kirk Kelly, we're gonna be looking into the specifics of that bill and seeing what it really means and how it's only applying to a specific area of how it's gonna affect us, and that we're still open to a very wide range of threats, especially on the global level. But we're also gonna be talking about some recent resignations of some very significant people in the banking industry, including Klaus Schwab himself, stepping down as the, you know, the, I think, chairman of the World Economic Forum. We've got Jamie Dimon from Chase announcing he's stepping down the head of the FDIC. There's some pretty significant kind of oddly timed resignations and announces of resignations from major major players in the financial industry. And finally, we're gonna be discussing what's the bigger picture of what's happening with the BRICS nations and the dedollarization as we talked about extensively on this show.
• 53:17
  So we had, I think, the past couple of days, a major major person from the banking industry in Russia. I think he he runs the second largest bank in Russia, if I'm not mistaken. Made a few statements, but pretty significant statements about where the American economy is headed. And it's hard to ignore his words, and he's speaking, I feel very honestly about where we're heading if we continue creating this much debt. We're we're rapidly going into debt in a pace that probably never been seen before on this earth.
• 53:50
  I mean, it's absolutely insane. But he also shows how vulnerable the American system is. Not just our financial system, but but the government, the way of life in America as we see it, how vulnerable we are. Because as he points out, if some of these BRICS nations start dumping some of their US treasury bonds, that right there could in with conjunction in conjunction of with the money printing, could spell the end of America as we know it. So there's some pretty serious topics we're gonna be discussing here.
• 54:22
  So please enjoy the show. Kirk, it's great to have you on as usual. Thank you for being here today.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's so great to be with you. Hope you had an amazing Memorial Day weekend.
• 54:33
  Seth Holehouse: We did. Yeah. It was it was it was wonderful. Family, flags, freedom. That's all you can ask for.
• 54:40
  So it was it was great. Thank you.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Somber thing to remember those who gave their lives, you know, for us to have freedom, but it's a celebration. It's a celebration of their lives and that we do have freedom. I mean, it's it's kind of a little bit of give and take there.
• 54:58
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. It's also a reminder of the cost of freedom. And I think that in a lot of ways, we've forgotten what the cost of freedom is. But we're learning it now as our freedom is on the knife's edge, unfortunately. So but, you know, as you and I have talked about a lot, one of the biggest ways that your fears are taken away is through the financial system.
• 55:22
  And we've spent a lot of time discussing central bank digital currencies. You know? And not just CBDCs, but also Unified Ledger, the the the much bigger picture of what this means to have our stuff digitally controlled. And so one thing that happened recently, actually, I'll pull up the the press release here, is the house passes pass this is earlier, you know, about a little over a week ago. A actually, no, only a couple days ago.
• 55:53
  So here we go. House passes CBDC anti surveillance state act. It says, today The US House Of Representatives passed h r five four zero three, the CBDC anti surveillance state act, sponsored by majority whip Tom Emmer. It says it halts unelected bureaucrats from issuing issuing a central bank digital currency, which would threaten Americans right to financial privacy without explicit authorization from Congress, which that that seems like a little bit of a yeah. I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that.
• 56:27
  But I wanna I wanna see what you think of this because this looks like a major win. It's like, okay, great. You know, the the the giant threat on the horizon now is being subdued, but is there more to it than what there seems?
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: You know, there always is. I mean, there just there just always is. But when you look at it, it's like, sweet. This is a win. They're gonna they're gonna say central bank digital currency is outlawed.
• 56:57
  And, you know, just like what Norway did over the weekend, right? Norway actually said you can use cash in Norway. It doesn't all have to be digital. We basically prohibit retailers and merchants in Norway from rejecting customers because they want to pay cash. Right?
• 57:17
  So it's like, okay. That one actually is more of a win than than what this one is, even though the house said, no. We're not gonna have CBDCs issued by the Fed. K. So there's there's some language in the bill that I kind of want to look at.
• 57:35
  So there's a subsection, and there's an a b and a c part of it. If you scroll down there, it's pretty close to the top, but a little bit further, a little bit further, it's coming up. Okay. Here. So Section 16 of the Federal Reserve Act is amended.
• 57:55
  So they want to amend the Federal Reserve Act from 1913. We're adding a new paragraph. A Federal Reserve Bank shall not offer products or services directly to an individual, maintain an account on behalf of an individual, or issue a central bank digital currency or any digital asset that is substantially similar under any other name or label directly to an individual. So people are looking at it and say, sweet, the Federal Reserve can't issue a central bank digital currency or offer products to clients, which is what the Fed Now app would be. But here's where words have meaning, especially when it's in a bill.
• 58:39
  So did they talk about nongovernmental organizations or other entities issuing digital currency or central bank type digital currency? No, they said the Fed. So here's where, to me, they're missing the entire point. And I think politicians are smarter than this, and they know that to me, this is window dressing. It's political theater, trying to get people to say, Oh, Congresswoman, you're amazing.
• 59:11
  You rejected central bank digital currency when 98% of the world wants it, and all these countries are behind it. But what does it not prohibit? It doesn't prohibit a global central bank digital currency issued by, for example, the Bank for International Settlements or the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund or some kind of a special drawing right from the United Nations or something like that. So to me, central bank digital currency is going to be a global thing. Because if you look at Agenda 02/1930 and the tenets of it, they want a one world government, they want a universal currency for everybody, they want population control.
• 1:00:02
  Mean, they want all kinds of stuff. But really, they want one political system for the whole world. They want one currency for the whole world. Right? So when you look at that, everything that we've looked at that you referenced in the first part of the show, the unified ledger.
• 1:00:20
  That what a digital currency actually is, it's programmable money that can cut you off from buying or selling if your ideology doesn't match up with the globalist agenda. But the the unified ledger is a creepy thing because everything that you own gets tokenized and you can change ownership of everything that you own with the flip of a switch. Now, why would they limit themselves to just a country being able to do that? And the answer is they would. This is a global thing.
• 1:00:50
  So what the bill does say is that you can't have the Fed issuing a central bank digital currency, but it says nothing about a global nongovernmental institution. And here's the thing, Seth. Biden already allowed for that to happen. When he basically went into the World Health Organization's one hundred and ninety two countries that say the president of the World Health Organization under a state of a global health crisis can stop your travel, can restrict your purchases, can restrict you from even opening a bank account. They can do all kinds of things.
• 1:01:29
  So our sovereignty was given up already by our president to this nongovernmental organization. And what do they do? They're going to be able to actually issue a central bank digital currency if they want to, because they can control it. With the stroke of a pen or with the power of their voice, they can say, you know what, It's a national emergency, a national health emergency. We have to get the global economy in lockstep with what this agenda is to save it from disease X or something like that.
• 1:02:09
  So therefore, we're mandating that everybody goes into a global currency issued by the IMF, let's say. I mean, we already gave up our sovereignty. So who cares what the House actually said in this? To me, it has no teeth. Because okay.
• 1:02:29
  So let's just say that it did have teeth. Well, it still has to pass the senate, and I don't think the senate would actually go along with the house. You know, it's too close there. There's only a couple votes difference. And then let's say that the senate did pass it, well, then the president has to ratify it or veto it.
• 1:02:50
  Right? So so either way, I don't think that we get it in its current form because either the senate rejects it or the president does. But let's take it one step further. Let's say the senate does accept this bill and they vote the same, and then the president accepts it. Well, why would they do that?
• 1:03:11
  Well, because they know that CBDCs doesn't matter at the federal level. It matters at the global level to actually have everybody be a global citizen. So to me, this bill that a lot of people on the right are very excited about, eliminating central bank digital currency, to me is truly political theater in an election year. I truly don't think it matters. And I'm not trying to be a negative Nelly.
• 1:03:35
  I'm just saying that words have meanings in bills. And to me, this bill actually has no meaning to it because they didn't broadly define enough who could issue central bank digital currency and who can't. They limited it to the Fed, not everything else that are global entities.
• 1:03:55
  Seth Holehouse: So one question that I have, and I think you're a good person to answer this because you deal with a lot of people that are trying to escape the economic system or systems that could end up enslaving them. Right? So they're they're getting out of the the path of that train. So looking at this, and I agree with you, especially from hearing your perspective that, you know, that they're I'll pull back up again because you can see, like, specifically, right, the Federal Reserve Bank shall not. It didn't say that no governing or no no, you know, banking organization, you know, federal or international may, you know, do x.
• 1:04:34
  It was just the Federal Reserve Bank. I mean, they could probably create some sort of shell company and call it the Federal Digital Reserve, and and it probably wouldn't we would no longer be stopped by this. Right? But
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:04:46
  Seth Holehouse: The question I have though is, it seems like, say, a year and a half ago when you and I were discussing CBDC, that a lot of your average folks here in America, if you said, you know, one of the greatest threats is CBDC, they'd say, oh, yeah. Is that like the the marijuana cream? Like the the CBD cream? They just didn't they didn't understand it. So do you think that the fact that a bill that, you know, actually, I'll go back to, you know, pull up pull up in the the web page.
• 1:05:18
  So something that literally states, as as we talked, as I read in the other page actually, I'll pull up the other one right here. Right? Where they say that the CBDC would threaten Americans' right to financial privacy, this is on the financialservicescommittee.house.gov website, do you think that there's been a much larger public awareness of Central Bank digital currency? Because ultimately, I don't really trust anything that Congress does or really anything the president or anything that Trump says he's going to do. It's like, well, they're gonna find ways around it.
• 1:05:55
  I think the only thing that really matters is if enough people, enough of We The People reject these systems, which is why I'm doing what I'm doing with this show is to get enough people to see it for what it is and say, I'm not playing in that game. Like, I because it's like any way we play their game, we lose. So the way to win is just don't play the game. So do you think that this is a reflection of more of the the general American public becoming aware of CBDC? And are you seeing through your own business and your own interaction with people, are you seeing that reflected on the client side that there's a much more awake public when it comes to the threat of these central bank digital currencies?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Yes. But I think it's multifaceted. So to answer that specific question, yeah. People have an inherent at least people who are freedom loving people have an inherent distrust and distaste for big brother, right? Which is what central bank digital currency is all about.
• 1:06:59
  It's not intended to fix a broken system. It's intended for people control. If and you mean look at the Bank for International Settlements memorandums, you know, the the ability to cut off bank wires from bank to bank if the ideology of the use of funds doesn't match up. Look at the World Economic Forum, programmable money based on your digital social profile and social credit score. That's ideologically based spending.
• 1:07:26
  It's their words, not mine. Right? So everybody has this inherent distrust of that. But there's also an inherent distrust of banking in general. As banks are starting to really run out of money, be undercapitalized, and we just had news three weeks ago, a month ago, of the big regional bank in Philadelphia that went into FDIC receivership, Silicon Valley Bank, and all those banks from last year.
• 1:07:58
  So this has got people on edge. And then here's where I start connecting some serious dots. And things aren't quite as they seem. So you look at what happened last week alone, and who's resigning from their positions. Massive numbers of big bank leaders are resigning.
• 1:08:22
  Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase, the CEO, announced his resignation of Chase. The guy who serves as the executive director of JPMorgan Chase resigned. The president of the FDIC resigned. Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum resigned. The CEO of HSBC resigned.
• 1:08:49
  So why? I mean, a lot of these people are big massive globalists, been working on central bank digital currency for decades, right, For this whole plan of Agenda 02/1930, and then more recently, starting in 2019, really this march towards central bank digital currency. And you know what? They're almost there with climate control and everything else and surveillance and digitizing money and getting rid of paper currency, kicking the US dollar out of the global sandbox and that power shift to the BRICS nations. Literally, their dream is almost fulfilled.
• 1:09:29
  So why would they step down? So I'm thinking about this. It's like, okay, what would make me step down if we were about to get our dream of global domination, you know, just right around the corner? Well, if they know that people aren't really going to accept it and it's gonna have massive revolt and upheaval and revolution style response, And anybody who's in power is going to get caught holding the bag. They're going to get blamed for it.
• 1:10:00
  So if they resign, they're not necessarily going to get blamed for it. They're gone. Whoever is in power is going to get blamed for it. This is why Trump said, a couple months ago, hope that the economy collapses before I get in. So people misinterpret that.
• 1:10:19
  It's like, Trump is evil, he's anti American, he doesn't want The US economy to thrive. It's like, yes, he does. That's why he's running. He needs to change things. What he was saying is it's going to collapse whether I'm in or not right away because there's been so much damage done.
• 1:10:36
  He wants to be the guy that rebuilds it. But he says, If it happens after I get in, people are going to blame me even though it's not my fault. Right? So maybe they want out. I don't know.
• 1:10:49
  I don't know. But two of the banks, this is an interesting side note. JPMorgan Chase and HSBC are the largest global shorters of silver on the planet. Massive amounts of naked shorts, like hundreds of millions of ounces in naked short positions. So then the Friday before Iran did the drone strikes on Israel, they recommended all their citizens that they start buying silver rather than gold because they knew and they recognized these short positions.
• 1:11:24
  And if they want to beat America without ever firing a bullet, you just create fear and you cause their banking system to go down. Well, that massive number of short positions, they get hurt in multiples, not dollar for dollar, multiples if the price of silver goes up. So it's like, Seth, look what's happened to silver in the last two and a half months. Literally the last, I don't know, ten weeks, silver has gone from 22 and a half to 32. It's up almost 50% in two and a half months.
• 1:12:04
  Those banks that have naked short positions are in crisis mode. And you look at some different stories globally, Like, oh, the CEO of the second largest bank in Russia. There was this article on ZeroHedge that I was reading just earlier this morning. He warns that The US is inevitably headed for a serious economic crisis. But what he said in there, there was one direct quote that is really interesting, and it goes along with this naked shorts that these banks have in silver.
• 1:12:47
  So for those keeping tabs, US debt surpassed $33,000,000,000,000 for the first time. The US added $1,000,000,000,000 worth of debt in three months. So once we hit 33,000,000,000,000, a hundred days later, we added another trillion. We're adding a trillion dollars of new debt every hundred days. Right?
• 1:13:11
  So now we're at like 34 and a half trillion. Right? So this is interesting. So you read what this guy said, and on that article, you scroll down a little bit further, a trillion dollars every hundred days. But there's a direct quote after these pictures show up that is I have got to read to you because it's right there.
• 1:13:39
  So I am thoroughly convinced that America is inevitably headed for a serious economic crisis. The amount of debt currently held by The US today has reached inconceivable astronomical levels, and the dollar's monopoly on the global stage is the only thing enabling the Americans to maintain such a level of debt. If the Chinese or the Arabs took their money out of The US, a complete collapse would ensue for the financial sector and the government. It's like, oh my word, Seth. What did he just say?
• 1:14:15
  He just said that the BRICS nations, if they start liquidating their US treasuries, putting them on the open market, destroying the US dollar. If they start not holding US treasuries and start liquidating them, The US economy is toast. It's on such precarious grounds that would destroy the financial system. It would destroy The US economy. And what is Russia doing?
• 1:14:43
  They got rid of all of their US Treasuries. What is China doing? I mean, they're dumping US Treasuries like there's nobody's business.
• 1:14:50
  Seth Holehouse: Here's China. This chart right here. Can see.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look. I mean, it's just actually coming down a lot of their number of holdings. Because what what did it start at? You know, its peak 1,500.
• 1:15:05
  So $1,500,000,000,000, and now it's at, like, 800,000,000,000. So, I mean, we're almost 50% down in their holdings. And so they continue to liquidate, liquidate, liquidate. Who's buying those US Treasuries? The rest of the world isn't.
• 1:15:24
  It's the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is using money that they print out of thin air to be the buyer of last resort. And this is why we have the inflation. This is why we have this explosive debt. And this is why the CEO of the second largest bank in Russia was pretty well connected, I'm sure.
• 1:15:45
  It would be like Jamie Dimon here in America talking to Biden. I'm sure this guy talks to Putin a lot if he's got the second largest bank in Russia. They know what's coming, Seth. They know that The US is on shaky ground. And because of our debt, you know, this is biblical truth ringing out loudly.
• 1:16:04
  A borrower is a slave to the lender. You can't keep using other people's money. You ultimately have to pay the piper or it's over. This is why God warns us numerous times throughout his word to don't get into debt. Live within your means.
• 1:16:20
  Have wisdom. Have discernment. And we haven't. And now even CEOs of foreign banks are seeing the writings on the wall. It's over.
• 1:16:30
  And there's a power shift from the West to the East and the BRICS nations, the BRICS plus plus plus nations, I hate to say it because I'm American, I want a strong dollar. I mean, I want a vibrant economy, But we're not playing this well. And we've lost that status as the reserve currency and everything else, and it's going to the East. And I don't think we can get it back at this point without a complete collapse of what we have and then somebody like Trump coming in, changing it all together. You know, what did what did he wanna do?
• 1:17:04
  He wants to fight back. He said, hey. First thing when I get into office, I'm gonna slap massive tariffs on Chinese goods. I'd say, okay. So this is a delicate thing to do because you slap tariffs on Chinese goods.
• 1:17:21
  Sure. It hurts them economically, but it has to be done quickly and swiftly and big because, ultimately, if you put tariffs on Chinese goods and we're still importing a ton of stuff from China, it makes all of our stuff more expensive. And you're going to have The US population in complete crying out for help. It's like what? Prices are even higher than they used to be.
• 1:17:43
  You slap tariffs on foreign oil. Yeah, great way to hurt them because we won't be buying foreign oil. But since we still import so much, it impacts us. And so these things have to be done quickly, and they have to be done in a very wise way. And this is why these things are very delicate.
• 1:18:03
  Right? But this is why I think that CEO of that Russian bank says, we are spinning for an economic disaster because it's very difficult to get out of the debt situation that we end. Even with diplomatic and political, you know, maneuverings, it's very difficult, Seth.
• 1:18:19
  Seth Holehouse: There's one other chart in that article, which I thought was really interesting. It's right below showing that how China has been dumping its treasury holdings, right, since really, it started around 02/2015, '2 thousand '16 is when they started kinda dropping. But then this next graph here, which this is interesting. It shows it says it's not just China. It says treasury holdings are relatively flat based on fed custody data, while according to the IMF, the world's sovereign nations have been panic buying gold.
• 1:18:56
  So this chart, the green line shows the world, treasury reserves. Right? These are from my understanding, this is the amount of treasuries that are out globally, not just in China. For instance, all the countries holding US Treasuries. But then if you look at around 2019, you can see that there's this massive spike increasing in gold.
• 1:19:19
  So I would imagine, and correct me if I'm wrong, that they're printing so much money. They're dumping so much money into the market that a flat line of world treasury reserves is a really bad thing that you'd I'm guessing you'd wanna see that line going up in some sort of correlation to the money printing.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: But then if
• 1:19:41
  Seth Holehouse: you look at the fact that it's not going up, but gold reserves are skyrocketing. I mean, gold reserves have basically doubled since 2019. They've gone from roughly, I'm not sure exactly what number this indicates, whether it's, you know, three I'm not sure what it's measuring there. But it's like three, you know, 3,000,000. It says, yeah, 3,000,000 ounces or whatever that, you know, whatever that's measuring there.
• 1:20:09
  But it's up to almost five and a half. So Yeah. It seems like they know what's coming. They they can see what's coming. And nations that aren't run the way our government is are telling their citizens.
• 1:20:24
  I'm seeing hearing people talk about how, yeah, yeah, over, you know, we're in Indonesia or Vietnam or China, and the government's telling us buy precious metals, buy precious metals. We're here in America. They're not saying that at all. They're saying, oh, you know, we're gonna we're gonna pay your student loans back for you, if anything. So, yeah, I I I think that something is coming, certainly.
• 1:20:46
  And all if if you put all this information together, it's hard to ignore. And and but I do just wanna go back and just read one more time the the words of that CEO of the you say this he's the CEO of of the second largest bank in Russia. Is that what you say?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh. Yeah. Second largest bank in Russia.
• 1:21:08
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Saying, I'm thoroughly convinced that America is inevitably headed for a serious economic crisis. The amount of debt currently held by The US today has reached inconceivable astronomical levels, and the dollars monopoly on the global stage is the only thing enabling the Americans to maintain such a level of debt. If the Chinese or the Arabs took their money out of The US, a complete collapse would ensue for the financial sector and the government. So and this is I mean, that's those are significant words coming from a major banking player in one of the most major BRICS nations saying he's kind of saying, look, America, we got you by the balls.
• 1:21:52
  Like, we own all your debt, a large part of this debt. And if we dump it, your whole Ponzi scheme of money printing and everything is gonna collapse. It's not just your financial sector, the key there right there, and the government. Like, so he's saying that basically, these BRICS nations have the ability through their financial maneuvers to collapse our government. And this is this is really, really, really significant.
• 1:22:21
  This should be headline, you know, on all the major media, like talking about not this guy's words specifically because, you know, he's just one person of many globally. But this I mean, you know, you and I know. He's he's not making things up. This is real. Like, that that would be the effect.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Well, look at the next line that he put when it says, Kostan added. Right? If the West fails to revise its policy, I think that the move toward the collapse of the colonial system, the American way of life, a representative republic, right, will only accelerate. So he's saying that this financial collapse would also result in a change of our he basically amplified the change in our government statement. Right?
• 1:23:09
  He's expecting a complete overhaul. And what happens after this cycle of democracy, so to speak, kind of finishes its course? You change from a republic to a dictatorship or a dictatorship to a republic when it goes full cycle, this bondage that's created by putting too much power in the hands of the government, then it becomes too much for people, and it creates a cycle of slavery and bondage again. And so he's seeing the end of the American way, is what he's seeing from this financial collapse. Now, granted, just one guy, right?
• 1:23:51
  But a smart one who's probably in communication with Putin a lot, being the second largest bank in Russia, they know what their plan is to de dollarize the world. And they're doing a really good job with it. How are they doing that? By allocating into mountains of gold, by giving themselves credibility, accountability, pulling out of these systems, these digital command and control type systems. And people think that Russia is like this horrible communist country, right?
• 1:24:25
  It's like, yeah, they're run by a ruthless dictator, but they've actually got more freedoms than America has in a lot of ways. I know people are gonna throw rotten tomatoes at me, but you look at I mean, when you look at Russia, it's like you assume that they're gonna be run by a dictator. You look at America, and that's not the assumption, but we are. Right? So that's more dangerous to me than somebody that's like, okay, what you see is what you get, where what you say is not what you get.
• 1:24:56
  There's things behind that. I mean, this is what America has turned into, is weirdness and cloak and shadows and and this move towards a complete globalist takeover of our way of life, Seth.
• 1:25:11
  Seth Holehouse: One thing I would say is that at least it seems like Putin is trying to protect his own nation. Right? Like, that's the thing is that he's he's looking out, whereas here, it just seems like the these criminals that have taken over our government, they want our nation destroyed. Like, they they they have no reason to protect our nation. It's actually part of their agenda to completely collapse it.
• 1:25:35
  But, you know, something I was gonna mention just in talking about this this overall shift is that we we look at that chart with, you know, the IMF, you know, showing the gold holdings and everything. We've been talking about this. They're talking about it. Let's use you know, it's it's basically it's a little bit farther fetched with currency. Let's let's imagine food.
• 1:25:54
  It's almost like it's almost like here in America. Let's imagine that we're getting ready to enter into a major major famine globally. Yeah. And the BRICS nations know the famine is coming, and they're telling all of their citizens stock up on rice, stock up on beans, stock up on wheat. You have their governments doing the same.
• 1:26:16
  You look at, you know, which you actually have this. You look at China's buying of of grains, you know, China, I think, has the largest grain reserve globally. But it's almost like all these countries are massively stocking up on grain, telling us citizens to stock up on grain. We have the leaders of these countries, and leaders like to say, you know, the the major farming industry is saying, hey, everybody, hey, Americans, there's gonna be a big famine. These are all the reasons that's gonna that's gonna be coming.
• 1:26:41
  Like, you better go buy some food. And yet here in America, our government saying, folks, don't worry about it. We got you taken care of, you know, there's there's gonna be lots of food for everybody. Don't buy, don't buy food. Yet the people like yourself and me were like, we're we're, you know, go to the rooftop saying, folks, there's a famine coming.
• 1:26:59
  Buy wheat. You know, you get it now while you can. To me, that's the analogy of precious metals. It's like half the world sees it. You look at the buyings of these IMF.
• 1:27:09
  You you look at these massive, you know, countries. They see what's coming, and they're stocking up like mad on precious metals. They're telling their citizens to stock up like mad on precious metals because they know what's coming. Whereas here in America, there's lying through their teeth because they want us to suffer. Want financial collapse to come.
• 1:27:29
  They want us to be so poor and so broken that we're begging them for anything, and we'll take any kind of CBD system as long as it gives us that little bit of comfort and security at night. And and that's what that's again, that this is what we're doing. So why we're trying this message out there is that we have to get out of the way. So Kirk, precious metals, if folks want to work with you on precious metals, what you know, give me a quick kind of rundown. Because I think a lot of folks have a lot of their their assets sitting in IRAs, retirement accounts, four zero one k's, etcetera, and they feel like, well, it's kinda locked up until I retire.
• 1:28:05
  It's locked up for these reasons. You know, for folks like that that have been hesitant, first time buyers or not, how does that work? If they want to say, thinking, you know, think, you know what, I might as well move a third of that account over into silver because just in case, right? The same reason why if I have some extra money, want to go buy some seeds, I'm going go buy some some grain. Walk us through that process.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: So it's simply you just call our office, (720) 605-3900 and say Seth sent you. Or you go to the website link, goldwithseth.com. And what will happen is you will get scheduled. One of our schedulers will talk to you, ask you a few questions. What is it that Kirk and Seth talked about that caused you to want to reach out?
• 1:28:49
  What are your fears? What are your concerns? What are your dreams? And then we'll put you on the calendar with one of my amazing consultants who think like I do. They're bending over backwards to help.
• 1:29:00
  And craft a strategy for success moving forward using precious metals to hedge against your other paper assets or things that you have. Right? So then from that point, you know, we fill out little brief little forms, you know, to move money from account to account, you know, do an IRA rollover or just, you know, you wire the funds to us and we call you when the funds arrive and we confirm the allocation and we buy it. Because it's never done it's not a discretionary account. It's not our money.
• 1:29:31
  It's yours. I don't even believe it's your money. I believe it's God's money. So nothing is done without your permission. But my team will bend over backwards to do everything except fill out a couple small little forms.
• 1:29:44
  That's it. And so it's a real easy process. I've kept it simple on purpose and by design all of these decades to make the process easy. Because a lot of people think gold and silver is hard. I've never done it before.
• 1:29:58
  I don't know what to think. It's a little scary. It's not. To me, it's just like any other asset. It's like buying a stock, bond, a mutual fund, anything.
• 1:30:06
  Right? And so that's why we've made it really, really easy. It's just another thing that you can buy. And it's actually way easier than opening up a brokerage account because it's a private transaction. You wire the funds, we ship you the metals, you have it.
• 1:30:23
  And then when you sell it, you have to basically report your capital gains on your tax return. But these are things that only in certain circumstances we have to report on liquidation. It's like if you have 1,000 ounces or more or something like that. You always have to, as a person, as an individual, report your capital gains. And this is let the buyer beware.
• 1:30:46
  And the reason I brought that up is because there's so many dealers out there that are saying, Oh, old rare coins, you don't have to ever report them, wink, wink. It's like, no, that's wrong. You always have to report your gains. They're lying to you. And it's like, this is the kind of misconceptions that we want to educate every single client on because gold and silver is so easy, so beneficial.
• 1:31:12
  When you look at what it's done over the last two and a half months, it's up almost well over 40%. When you look at what it's done over the last three and a half years, up over 140%. I mean, these are amazing growth numbers that we should take advantage of that to some level, to some degree, to hedge yourself against your other paper assets.
• 1:31:38
  Seth Holehouse: Well, thank you for walking us through that. So the phone number and the website will be in the description below the video or the podcast. Kirk, again, it's always great having you on. Thank you so much for doing what you're doing. Look forward to next week.
• 1:31:52
  Thank you again.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: It's my pleasure. We'll talk to you soon.
• 1:31:55
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