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Sharri | 19 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening Tonight will bring you shocking
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Speaker 2: vision of radicalized Isis brides and children in Syrian camps.
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Speaker 2: This as the left argues that Isis Cohort should be
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Speaker 2: welcome in Australia.
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Speaker 3: More on this in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Also on the show, the Prime Minister's hypocrisy in condemning
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen for her inflammatory rhetoric, arguing it can lead
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Speaker 2: to violence, yet refusing to acknowledge that he was doing
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Speaker 2: the exact same thing when he demonized israel I.
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Speaker 3: Take in a moment.
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Speaker 2: your support. But first to the Isis brides. Now, there's
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Speaker 2: a bizarre sympathy emerging for the ISIS Cohort, with media
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Speaker 2: and commentators arguing that the group should be brought home.
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Speaker 2: Take this report just as one example. In the Citney
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Speaker 2: Morning Herald. It's titled bring these Australian children Home PM.
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Speaker 2: They did not make their own beds and the article
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Speaker 2: states the limbo facing thirty four Australian women and children
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Speaker 2: this week as they left the hell whole of ol
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Speaker 2: Roje camp. It's actually our whole camp. Oh sorry, this
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Speaker 2: is our Roge camp in northeast Syria. Is deeply disturbing
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Speaker 2: and The Herald also in this article pushed back against
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Speaker 2: Albineasi for saying this.
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Speaker 4: You make your bed, you line it.
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Speaker 2: The Herald's article, which ran prominently on its website today,
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Speaker 2: states that of the children lie life is very cruel
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Speaker 2: for them. Their article states they did not make their
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Speaker 2: bed and lie in it. As Prime Minister Albanesi falsely
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Speaker 2: claimed this week, if Australia wants to live up to
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Speaker 2: its obligations as a good security partner, it should bring
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Speaker 2: its nationals home. If Australia wants to be an advocate
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Speaker 2: for the rights of the child, it should bring its
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Speaker 2: nationals home. We had somewhat similar arguments from other commentators
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Speaker 2: this week, like Michael Schubridge and Joe Hildebrandt.
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Speaker 5: Well they have a right of return to Australia as
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Speaker 5: any Australian citizen does, and we've got the Albanesi government
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Speaker 5: hiding from their obligations. There are twenty three children in
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Speaker 5: this group, and Scott Morrison said back in twenty nineteen
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Speaker 5: children shouldn't be punished for the crimes of their parents
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Speaker 5: when he repatriated some children from Syria. So unless we've
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Speaker 5: become less compassionate and more hard hearted than Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 5: I think the government should do the right thing and
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Speaker 5: manage the problem again.
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Speaker 6: And look, I know it's complex.
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Speaker 7: They have to be monitored, they have to be scrabb
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Speaker 7: they have been investigated, but we don't know if some
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Speaker 7: of these women weren't actually coerced or forced by their husband.
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Speaker 3: I don't now.
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Speaker 2: Surely it goes without saying that the Albanezy government's top
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Speaker 2: priority is to ensure the safety of its citizens here
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Speaker 2: in Australia, and if there is a risk of bringing
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Speaker 2: dangerous ISIS ideology to our country, then that risk should
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Speaker 2: not be taken. We know the type of atrocities that
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Speaker 2: have already been committed under the ISIS flag.
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Speaker 3: Now, as I.
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Speaker 2: Reported on Tuesday night, our agencies haven't been able to
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Speaker 2: interview this Isis cohort in more than three years, and
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Speaker 2: three of the group are considered high risk. I told
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Speaker 2: you on Tuesday that one would be subject to a
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Speaker 2: temper exclusion order.
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Speaker 3: That's now happened.
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Speaker 2: But the point is our agencies haven't had access to
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Speaker 2: this group, and journalists who have been inside these camps
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Speaker 2: have a very different story to tell about how radicalized
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Speaker 2: they are. Have a look at this CBS journalist interviewing
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Speaker 2: an Isis bride in a Syrian camp.
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Speaker 8: How this woman told us she's been locked up in
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Speaker 8: the dust for six years but still loves ISIS. Syria
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Speaker 8: is a dangerous cocktail. Thirteen years of war made it
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Speaker 8: a breeding ground for terrorists.
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Speaker 2: So that CBS and you heard right there that woman
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Speaker 2: at the our whole camp still loves ISIS. Then a
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Speaker 2: journalist from a different company from NBC also went inside
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Speaker 2: that same camp and experienced shocking treatment from the children.
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Speaker 9: This is a camp really of no return, and it's
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Speaker 9: been described as a ticking time bomb that the next
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Speaker 9: generation of ISIS is here.
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Speaker 10: Many of the children appear to be extremely radical.
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Speaker 9: They were all saying one day I hope to kill you,
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Speaker 9: one day I want to slit your throat.
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Speaker 2: That was just a year ago January twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: The NBC journalist is very well known. Richard Engel was
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Speaker 2: told by the camp's manager that the ISIS families effectively
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Speaker 2: run the camp.
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Speaker 3: But it gets even worse.
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Speaker 10: The longer we stayed, the more aggressive the children became. Here,
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Speaker 10: come the stones.
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Speaker 9: We're going to move to another area.
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Speaker 10: As we left, they made sure we got the message.
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Speaker 9: Reintegration has been a real problem. Most countries have refused
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Speaker 9: to take their people back, so the people here are
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Speaker 9: effectively stateless.
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Speaker 10: You're twenty nine, now, yeah, is this forever for you?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: This is elect we don't release and without any Issu's
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Speaker 7: familien Anny hope enough.
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Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine anti Western behavior like that
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Speaker 2: in Australia. And we know that children have in the
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Speaker 2: past been radicalized by ISIS terrorists. Remember karl Ed sharoof
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Speaker 2: Here he is with his three sons in Syria and
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Speaker 2: in this next photograph, one of Sharoofe's sons holds the
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Speaker 2: decapitated head of a now dead Syrian official.
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Speaker 3: That boy was just twelve when the photo was taken.
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Speaker 2: So when it comes to Islamic state there's no guarantee
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Speaker 2: that children and especially the teenagers haven't been radicalized. Now,
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Speaker 2: the Australian cohort may not be radicalized, they may not
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Speaker 2: be this aggressive, but they may, and our authorities haven't
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Speaker 2: interviewed them for more than three almost four years. This
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Speaker 2: group should not be allowed back into our country unless
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Speaker 2: there's absolute certainty that their ideology and values align with
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Speaker 2: Australian values, and judging by the American news reports coming
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Speaker 2: out of similar Syrian Isis camps, that seems unlikely. I'm
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Speaker 2: going to come back to that in a moment. But
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Speaker 2: now to Albanize's hypocrisy over language. Today, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: criticized Pauline Hansen for her offensive comments earlier this week
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Speaker 2: on My show.
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Speaker 11: Is there a link in your mind between this sort
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Speaker 11: of commentary and the threat of violence?
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Speaker 4: Of course there is, because it legitimizes it, it mainstreams it,
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Speaker 4: and Pauline Hanson is a divisive figure. She's made a
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Speaker 4: political career out of seeking to divide Australians against each other.
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Speaker 4: And what we need is more unity, not more division.
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Speaker 2: Now I've spoken already many times this week about how
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Speaker 2: Hansen's comments were wrong and offensive spoke about it three
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Speaker 2: times on the night she said it, and Hanson last
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Speaker 2: night sort of apologized in her own way.
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Speaker 12: If there is person out there who is a Muslim
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Speaker 12: and does not support Sharia law, female circumcision, child marriages,
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Speaker 12: who do not support our culture, our way of life,
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Speaker 12: and our laws, then I apologize too if my comment
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Speaker 12: has offinit you.
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that Muslim Australians would be very happy
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Speaker 2: with that half hearted apology. But the point is Albanese
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Speaker 2: is drawing a link between Pauline Hanson's comments and escalating
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Speaker 2: threats of violence. The fact that he understands this concept,
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Speaker 2: the link between language and violence staggers me because I've
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Speaker 2: been arguing for more than two years now that his
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Speaker 2: over the top anti Israel rhetoric has worsened the hatred
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Speaker 2: of Jews and that the calls to globalize the Interofada
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Speaker 2: are also leading to violence. Yet just a week ago,
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Speaker 2: Albanize couldn't bring himself to condemn Grace Tame. Why is
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Speaker 2: he comfortable condemning Pauline Hansen but not Grace Tame.
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Speaker 3: This is the height of hypocrisy.
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Speaker 2: And what about Albanese's own rhetoric for two years, I've
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Speaker 2: said that the Prime Minister's antagonism and relentless criticism of Israel,
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Speaker 2: which was disproportional and usually false, reinforced anti Zionist sentiment.
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Speaker 2: I mean, at times, as you know, he criticized Israel
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Speaker 2: more than he criticized Hamas. The anger he was encouraging
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Speaker 2: toward Israel led to the dehumanization and demonization of Zionists,
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Speaker 2: which led to Australian Jews then being targeted and even
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Speaker 2: ultimately attacked. You can argue, and I do, that the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister made life less safe for Australians. And now
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Speaker 2: Albinizi is literally making the same argument against Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 2: that I've made to him for two years. Now, I mean,
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Speaker 2: hypocrisy is staggering. His government's relentless criticism of Israel exacerbated
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Speaker 2: and fed into the antisemitism crisis. Police allege that the
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Speaker 2: Bondai shooters recall atted videos in front of an ISIS
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Speaker 2: flag where they vowed to attack Zionists. So before Albanize
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Speaker 2: wants to lecture Pauline, he should apologize for how his
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Speaker 2: own language and that of his ministers contributed to violence
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Speaker 2: towards Australians Now cracks are forming in the Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen partnership as he distances himself from her offensive
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Speaker 2: comments about Muslim Australians.
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Speaker 3: But Barnaby's been here before.
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Speaker 2: Back in twenty sixteen, he flatly rejected calls from Pauline
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Speaker 2: from a Muslim immigration ban. He said that you don't
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Speaker 2: ban people based on belief and that every religion has
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Speaker 2: wrap bags and a lunatic fringe. And then, even before
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Speaker 2: the latest controversy, Barnaby on Monday rejected Pauline's stance.
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Speaker 3: On the burka.
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Speaker 7: I feel a very strong philosophical alignment, not on everything,
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Speaker 7: but with most things with one nation. Well, there's certain
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Speaker 7: things that work for Pauline that don't work for me.
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Speaker 7: And I'll give you a classic Wonder Burger, right, that
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Speaker 7: is not something that works me. It works for Pauline,
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Speaker 7: but it does not work for me.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 7: I have also I'm standing for the Senate in New
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Speaker 7: South Wales and I have to be relevant in Sydney,
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Speaker 7: especially in the western suburbs of Sydney.
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Speaker 2: And let's bring in now National Senator Matt Canavan and
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Speaker 2: The Nightlies chief writer Aaron Patrick.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you both. So, Matt, You've written an.
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Speaker 2: Article on this very topic of Pauline's comments Barnaby's reaction
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Speaker 2: to it for the Daily Telegraph tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: What do you think.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's a miracle, Shari. The cat's got Barnaby's tongue
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Speaker 13: this week. I've never seen that happened before. And this
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Speaker 13: cat has a name. It's called Pauline. Pauline's grab Barnaby's
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Speaker 13: tongue and you can't see if you using more. He
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Speaker 13: hung up on The Australian and they asked him a
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Speaker 13: simple question whether he supported Pauline, questioning whether there were
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Speaker 13: any good Muslims on your show. And I've never seen
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Speaker 13: Barnaby paul punches like this. It's a bit sad because
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Speaker 13: the Barnaby we all know and love loves to speak
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Speaker 13: his mind and is fearless about doing so. The reason,
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Speaker 13: the reason that Barnabay can't do that now is because
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Speaker 13: he works for a boss.
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Speaker 6: His boss is Pauline.
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Speaker 13: When he worked with the Nationals Party, his boss wasn't
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Speaker 13: David Little Proud, it wasn't Scott Morrison. All those people
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Speaker 13: tried to shut Barnaby up and failed.
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Speaker 6: Their boss.
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Speaker 13: Barnaby in the Nationals Party was our party members, that's
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Speaker 13: who you've got to keep on side, and they're distributed
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Speaker 13: right across the country. So there's a vast difference between
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Speaker 13: how the two political parties work, and it is also
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Speaker 13: the reason why Pauline has struggled over the years to
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Speaker 13: maintain a team, to keep them together, because a lot
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Speaker 13: of elected politicians, especially Barnaby, don't like working for a boss,
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Speaker 13: don't like being told what to do in that way,
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Speaker 13: and when Pauline's done that often the party shatters into
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Speaker 13: a thousand pieces, ends in tears.
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Speaker 2: And it's been amazing how quickly a fracture has opened
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Speaker 2: up in their partnership. He hasn't come out and criticized her,
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Speaker 2: but it's clear that he doesn't endorse the remarks.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, he's really distinguishing himself from the Pauline Hansen brand.
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Speaker 11: But that was pretty interesting.
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Speaker 3: I never heard Matt.
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Speaker 11: Canavan share his real views Abounamy Joyce before. I quite
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Speaker 11: enjoyed that. The Liberals I've spoken to say actually really
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Speaker 11: happy with what's happened this week, and they feel the
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Speaker 11: effects of your interview are going to be really beneficial
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Speaker 11: for them because they feel that Pauline Hansen is alienating
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Speaker 11: a lot more Australian since she needs to, and they
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Speaker 11: think that's going to help them bring back some of
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Speaker 11: the voters have gone to the right.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they should be happy with such with
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Speaker 2: remarks that would have really hurt a lot of Australians,
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Speaker 2: a lot of Australian Muslims. But I take your point
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Speaker 2: that this has I suppose you know, Pauline has done
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Speaker 2: so well in the polls, She's been soaring in the polls,
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Speaker 2: and Matt rebranding herself in a way. And yet you know,
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Speaker 2: even though she has kind of retracted them people now,
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Speaker 2: but you know, in Australians, we want a tolerance society
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Speaker 2: that is inclusive of all religions.
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Speaker 13: Look, I think what Pauline has done this week is
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Speaker 13: undermine her fledgling case that she could be the next
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister of Australia. She has given some merit to
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Speaker 13: the idea, hasn't denied her her potential plans to become
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister of Australia. Well, you just simply can't be
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Speaker 13: a leader of our country if you're going to condemn
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Speaker 13: and make blanket generalizations about eight hundred thousand people, eight
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Speaker 13: hundred thousand Australians and it's just flatly wrong. And then
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Speaker 13: on top of that, to make it even worse, she's
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Speaker 13: just not apologizing, as you've outline tonight.
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Speaker 6: She's done a sort of a half.
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Speaker 13: Hearted apology, but just say sorry, like if you make
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Speaker 13: a mistake, just own it.
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Speaker 6: Take the Danica. I mean, she's done.
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Speaker 13: Pauline should learn from Danica, all right, just just admit you.
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Speaker 6: Got it wrong. Had a couple of wines, maybe, Pauline.
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I had a couple of wines before
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Speaker 6: your show.
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Speaker 13: Did a Danika and just admit it, Pauline and we
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Speaker 13: can move on. But she's failing to do that, and then,
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Speaker 13: in my view, therefore failed the test that she can
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Speaker 13: in any way be a serious leader for this country.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think Australians love it when people own up to
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Speaker 2: their mistakes and take some responsibility. Aaron, I want to
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Speaker 2: ask you about this article that you wrote in The
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Speaker 2: Nightly that basically Treasurer Jim Chalmers went too far in
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Speaker 2: taking a personal swipe at the former RBA governor Philip Lowe.
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Speaker 3: Here's what the Treasurer said.
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Speaker 14: I think it's a matter of public record, phil low
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Speaker 14: would have liked to have been reappointed by the government.
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Speaker 14: After he wasn't reappointed by the government, He's become a
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Speaker 14: fairly persistent critic of the Labor government in the pages
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Speaker 14: of the Financial Review and elsewhere. I think, to some
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Speaker 14: extent that's just human nature.
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Speaker 2: And this was after Philip Lowe did an interview in
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Speaker 2: the finn Review where he basically said that the Albineze
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Speaker 2: government was making inflation works and thus rates higher by
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Speaker 2: pumping demand while productivity is so weak.
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Speaker 3: Aaron Firsy, you know, what do you think?
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Speaker 2: Well, altogether, I suppose what do you think of Philip
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Speaker 2: Lowe's criticism?
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Speaker 3: And then the Treasurer's response.
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Speaker 11: Well, look, Philip Lowe's a very well respected economist. He
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Speaker 11: was a very successful bureaucrat. He's a very mild mannered person,
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Speaker 11: and he's making an argument which is pretty mainstream, which is,
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Speaker 11: if you run a big budget deficit, you're going to
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Speaker 11: push up inflation, which is clearly why we're all having
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Speaker 11: to pay more through interest rates. The economists I spoke
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Speaker 11: to today, including Saul s Lake and Richard Holden, very
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Speaker 11: serious people said, so the criticism is unfair.
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Speaker 3: Saw Slake said, stomicism from Charmers.
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Speaker 11: The criticism from the treasure of Philip Lowe was unfair,
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Speaker 11: saw Les Lakes did. It demeaned the office. And I think,
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Speaker 11: as I've written today, I think it shows what happens
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Speaker 11: if you crossed Jim Chalmers. I think you do so
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Speaker 11: much a peril because he will come after you.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just Charmers, though, Matt Albanezi ran basically the
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Speaker 2: same line.
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Speaker 3: But you know a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Economists, now yeah, including Philip law was saying the same
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Speaker 2: thing that you know, government spending is making inflation worse,
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Speaker 2: increasing our interest rates.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think the primiss comments even worse. I mean
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Speaker 13: he called the former governor of the Reserve Bank, he
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Speaker 13: called him an x as if he was some kind
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Speaker 13: of some kind of lover's spat. I mean, surely that's
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Speaker 13: beneath the office of Prime Minister. To respond to a
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Speaker 13: respected economist like Philip Lowe in that way is as
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Speaker 13: has just been pointed out there, this is a reasonable
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Speaker 13: criticism of the government and it would be better for
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Speaker 13: us all if the government dropped its glass jaw act.
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Speaker 6: Here.
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Speaker 13: The longer they keep that glass jaw, the longer Unfortunately,
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Speaker 13: I think Australia will stay in the economic doldrums. We've
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Speaker 13: seen real wages drop again this week. They're back to
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Speaker 13: levels we haven't seen since twenty eleven. So under this government,
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Speaker 13: the real wages of Australians, this living stands of Australians
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Speaker 13: have gone back fifteen years. That's never happened in recorded
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Speaker 13: economic history. So you'd think the government might show a
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Speaker 13: little bit of humility, might reflect on whether it's getting
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Speaker 13: everything right and consider a change of course. But instead,
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Speaker 13: instead they've got their head in the sand, refusing to listen.
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Speaker 13: And that's really bad news for the rest of us
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Speaker 13: because they keep doing what they have been doing. Well,
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Speaker 13: we're probably just going to get the same negative economic
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Speaker 13: news we've got.
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Speaker 2: We might actually just show you that Albanezi comments, seeing
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Speaker 2: as you've said it's worse than charmers.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a look.
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Speaker 15: Feel low the footballer, former Manly player or former RBA governor.
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Speaker 15: You know you have people who are exers to get
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Speaker 15: their name in the paper.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really disrespectful way to speak about
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Speaker 2: the RBA governor, who the government wanted everyone to believe
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Speaker 2: for so long was independent. And it does undermine confidence
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Speaker 2: in the RBA. I mean, if you're criticizing the most
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Speaker 2: recent RBA governor, well what about the current IRBA governor.
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Speaker 2: You either want Australians to have trust in this institution
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Speaker 2: or you don't. Just on that point that you raise
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Speaker 2: matt of real wages are in the data today shows
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Speaker 2: that while real wages grew three point four percent over
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Speaker 2: the year, inflation round at three point eight percent, so effectively,
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Speaker 2: wages are going backwards. And the IBA has said they
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Speaker 2: don't expect real wages to lift until twenty twenty seven.
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Speaker 3: And their forecasts are always wrong.
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Speaker 11: They are always wrong, but they're still take it seriously
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Speaker 11: and they still means something.
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Speaker 3: And what this one is it could be worse, Yeah.
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Speaker 11: It could well be worse. And the reason is this
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Speaker 11: horrible term we use and economics called productivity. But what
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Speaker 11: it means is that not really good at making stuff
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Speaker 11: and we're not getting better at making stuff and as
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Speaker 11: a result will literally getting poorer. And this is what
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Speaker 11: experts are saying is the real problem in this country
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Speaker 11: is that we need to do things better and it's
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Speaker 11: the government's responsibility primarily to lead that. And that's the
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Speaker 11: primary criticism of people like doctor Lowe and other really
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Speaker 11: serious economists.
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Speaker 2: And they should be listening to that feedback instead of
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Speaker 2: playing the man.
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Speaker 11: Well, they're aware of the feedback. They had a roundtable
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Speaker 11: last year on productivity.
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Speaker 6: They've heard it.
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Speaker 11: You can read it in the newspaper every day. It's
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Speaker 11: really obvious that needs to be done.
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Speaker 10: It's not easy.
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Speaker 11: It's not easy doing policy change.
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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you, Matt about this. It's
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Speaker 2: quite a complicated case. I'm going to try simplify it
21:43
Speaker 2: because it is absolutely fascinating. There was a mum who
21:49
Speaker 2: sent a tweet. The E Safety Commissioner basically censored it,
21:53
Speaker 2: took it down, she got X to remove the post
21:58
Speaker 2: in Australia, then took the E Safety Commissioner to court
22:02
Speaker 2: and she won. So this is quite though extraordinary censorship.
22:07
Speaker 2: And the argument that this might have made, one of
22:10
Speaker 2: many arguments, is that this amounted to the opinion of
22:14
Speaker 2: the E Safety Commissioner that basically she didn't agree with.
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Speaker 6: Look, it's a very concerning case, Sharry.
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Speaker 13: Obviously, like all legal cases, there are those complexities. But
22:26
Speaker 13: there's a couple of simple conclusions that come out of
22:29
Speaker 13: this result. One the E Safety Commissioner I think has
22:34
Speaker 13: a batting average of basically zero. I know I can
22:39
Speaker 13: count now four major cases that she's lost just in
22:42
Speaker 13: the last couple of years, wasting hundreds of thousands, if
22:45
Speaker 13: not millions of dollars of Australia's taxpayers money, and just
22:48
Speaker 13: embarrassing ourselves on.
22:50
Speaker 6: The world stage here about why can't she get the
22:51
Speaker 6: law right?
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Speaker 13: The second clue conclusion is even more concerning because, as
22:55
Speaker 13: you hinted out there, what's happening here, what seems to
22:58
Speaker 13: have happened in this case is the e Safety Commissioner
23:01
Speaker 13: decides that, look, this might not be that post, might
23:04
Speaker 13: not be against the law, but we don't really like it,
23:07
Speaker 13: so we're still going to write a letter to X
23:08
Speaker 13: in this case telling them to take it down. Now,
23:11
Speaker 13: what X told the court is, well, they thought that
23:12
Speaker 13: this was a mandatory takedown because the way the letter
23:15
Speaker 13: was written it referred to the Act. They thought it
23:17
Speaker 13: was something they had to do to comply with the law.
23:19
Speaker 13: Turns out, no, no, no, Actually the Safety Commissioner hadn't
23:22
Speaker 13: made that conclusion. They just didn't really like the content.
23:25
Speaker 13: And this really raises some serious questions, is do we
23:28
Speaker 13: have regulators here in this space that are going beyond
23:32
Speaker 13: the powers that they've been given by the Parliament and
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Speaker 13: just spousing their own personal preferences to censor and regulate
23:39
Speaker 13: the Internet and people's communications.
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Speaker 6: I don't think that's what she's there for.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a major issue in the UK
23:46
Speaker 2: and it's becoming increasingly more of a problem here as well.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, Aaron Patrick. Great to see both. Thank you.
23:55
Speaker 6: Right.
23:55
Speaker 2: Let's return to the major story of the ISIS rights now,
23:59
Speaker 2: as Peter cres has said, citizenship. Australian citizenship gives you
24:04
Speaker 2: the right or entitlement to a passpot, but Section fourteen
24:09
Speaker 2: of the Australian Passports Act does not require one to
24:12
Speaker 2: be issued. A minister can refuse, counsel or impose strict
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Speaker 2: security measures, and the Act states that if a competent authority,
24:22
Speaker 2: and that could be a delegate of the Minister, suspects
24:25
Speaker 2: on reasonable grounds that the person to whom a passport
24:29
Speaker 2: might otherwise be issued might prejudice the security of Australia,
24:34
Speaker 2: the competent authority may make a refusal. Johnny Mi now
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Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister John O Duniam. Given the wording
24:44
Speaker 2: of the Act, do you think passports should have been
24:47
Speaker 2: issued to this Isis cohort.
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Speaker 16: Thanks for having me, Shari, and no, I don't think
24:54
Speaker 16: that passports should have been issued to anyone in this cohort.
24:58
Speaker 16: How anyone a competent or authority, a casual observer, the
25:01
Speaker 16: Minister or the Prime Minister could say that anyone in
25:04
Speaker 16: this ISIS bride cohort isn't going to cause some risk
25:09
Speaker 16: to our national security, isn't going to harm our way
25:11
Speaker 16: of life? Baffles me. These are people that chose to
25:15
Speaker 16: go to Syria to participate in the life that they
25:18
Speaker 16: have to support their ISIS fighter husbands, people who are
25:21
Speaker 16: not friends of Australia in our democratic ways. This is
25:25
Speaker 16: something that is incredibly concerning. And the fact that I
25:28
Speaker 16: think it has been reported three of these is brides
25:31
Speaker 16: who are apparently considered high risk one has warranted a
25:36
Speaker 16: temporary exclusion order. Again, I don't understand why only one
25:40
Speaker 16: instead of all of the members of this cohort, who
25:42
Speaker 16: could receive one of these exclusion orders hasn't. But the
25:45
Speaker 16: fact that they've been given a passport and the government say,
25:48
Speaker 16: oh well, nothing we can do about it demonstrates a
25:51
Speaker 16: government that isn't taking national security and their job.
25:54
Speaker 2: Seriously, we're seeing this argument put forward by some that
25:58
Speaker 2: are these poor children they didn't choose.
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Speaker 3: To go over there, They didn't make that decision.
26:04
Speaker 2: The start of the show, I played news reports at
26:07
Speaker 2: similar Syrian Isis camps showing just how radicalized the children are.
26:15
Speaker 2: I'd like to get your comment on that.
26:18
Speaker 16: The footage she showed at the beginning of the program
26:20
Speaker 16: there gave me goosebumps. Kids who should be playing with toys,
26:23
Speaker 16: building sand castles, enjoying youth saying the things that they did,
26:28
Speaker 16: gesticulating slashing of the throat and things like that. I mean,
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Speaker 16: I'm sorry. If we aren't alive to the risk that
26:37
Speaker 16: is posed by indeed these children, as well as the
26:40
Speaker 16: mothers of these children in these camps, then we are
26:45
Speaker 16: in a world of trouble. They've been in these camps
26:48
Speaker 16: for goodness knows how long. Some were born there. Some
26:51
Speaker 16: went with their mothers too Syria from Australia. As far
26:53
Speaker 16: as I understand, to that end, radicalization, as has been
26:58
Speaker 16: demonstrated in what you played earlier, is already a problem
27:01
Speaker 16: for these young people. So we cannot underestimate the risk
27:04
Speaker 16: and we should not fall for these claims by groups
27:07
Speaker 16: who are saying we must bring them home for these children.
27:10
Speaker 16: I'm sorry, national security comes first. These people, these women
27:14
Speaker 16: and their husbands took these children to these camps with
27:18
Speaker 16: these lives ahead of them, and these are the consequences,
27:21
Speaker 16: and we cannot risk our national security by bringing them back.
27:26
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a possibility that our federal agency
27:30
Speaker 2: some of them might have been cut out of the
27:32
Speaker 2: loop here, because we've seen that the Minister did have
27:35
Speaker 2: at least one closed door meeting with Save the Children,
27:39
Speaker 2: when the Home Affairs official was asked by the Minister,
27:42
Speaker 2: by Tony Burke to leave the room to discuss the
27:45
Speaker 2: return of the Isis brides.
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Speaker 16: Something isn't right here, Shari. I mean that one of
27:50
Speaker 16: the meetings, these closed door meetings, is that no taker
27:53
Speaker 16: from the department was asked to leave. Of course, as
27:55
Speaker 16: you've probably pointed out, already, had a fellow by the
27:59
Speaker 16: name of doctor Jim in attendance discussing this very issue.
28:04
Speaker 16: That individual has of course found himself in the Middle
28:07
Speaker 16: East assisting this group by all reports, in trying to
28:11
Speaker 16: get them repatriated to Australia. So he has been playing
28:14
Speaker 16: a central role in repatriating these Isis brides and their
28:18
Speaker 16: children to Australia.
28:20
Speaker 6: This, of course is also a.
28:21
Speaker 16: Man as we know, headed up the Friends of Burke
28:24
Speaker 16: reelection of Tony Burke campaign at the last election. So
28:28
Speaker 16: it may be the case that the agencies who should
28:31
Speaker 16: be providing this advice to the Minister have been cut
28:34
Speaker 16: out of some of these arrangements. But again, these are
28:37
Speaker 16: all questions for the Minister to answer, and none of
28:39
Speaker 16: them have been forthcoming today. Yet the concerns keep mounting up.
28:43
Speaker 2: You mentioned now the handwritten note from Home Affair Secretary
28:46
Speaker 2: Stephanie Foster. Will you actually grilto over that. Let's have
28:50
Speaker 2: a look at those comments.
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Speaker 16: You're certain you don't recall whether the reference to Christina
28:57
Speaker 16: Kay at the beginning of these notes was Christina.
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Speaker 11: Kannearly No, Senator, As I said, I would be speculating.
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Speaker 16: And clear would that be the Foreign Minister and the
29:06
Speaker 16: former Home Affairs Minister?
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Speaker 11: Again, Senator, I would be speculating.
29:10
Speaker 16: About a quarter of the way down there at two
29:12
Speaker 16: initials TB. Now can I understand from you is that
29:19
Speaker 16: are they the initials of the minister.
29:24
Speaker 8: It's a matter of fact, Senator, that they are the
29:26
Speaker 8: minister's initials.
29:28
Speaker 16: And so to that end, it does the fact that
29:31
Speaker 16: you've inscribed those there mean from that point on they
29:34
Speaker 16: are the comments made by the minister.
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Speaker 8: Senator, I am not going to speculate about what I
29:43
Speaker 8: might have meant.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's unbelievable.
29:48
Speaker 2: And in those notes she underlined the word after that
29:51
Speaker 2: help would be given after they've returned home. How did
29:55
Speaker 2: you find those responses?
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Speaker 16: Well, I have to say our respect Stephanie immensely. She's
30:01
Speaker 16: one of the most professional public servants I've come across
30:03
Speaker 16: in my ten years in Parliament. But I did find
30:06
Speaker 16: those responses slightly suboptimal. If I'd have been asking about
30:10
Speaker 16: someone else's handwritten notes, I could understand her not wanting
30:14
Speaker 16: to speculate. But these notes that meeting was well reported
30:18
Speaker 16: in the media and I'm certain she knew what she
30:21
Speaker 16: was writing. So I found those disappointing. But at the
30:24
Speaker 16: end of the day, this again does point to the
30:28
Speaker 16: intention of the minister. They're claiming they've got no hand
30:32
Speaker 16: in this. The Government's providing no response, no support, no
30:35
Speaker 16: efforts to repatriate, but all of these sort of back
30:38
Speaker 16: channel arrangements where they've tried to exclude the bureaucrats points
30:42
Speaker 16: to something more insidious and frankly though, this just leads
30:46
Speaker 16: to risks to our national security. These are not friends
30:48
Speaker 16: of Australia he's trying to bring in and.
30:50
Speaker 2: That's the problem exactly, John o'daniem, I appreciate your time.
30:53
Speaker 3: Thank you. How still to come.
30:56
Speaker 2: America is set to make a decision on military action
30:58
Speaker 2: in Iran, could be as soon as this week. We're
31:01
Speaker 2: waiting to hear from Trump. Plus the next project I'm
31:04
Speaker 2: about to do with Alex Rifchin and he's gonna join
31:07
Speaker 2: me here. We'll tell you about it after the break.
31:13
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
31:14
Speaker 2: Will you know that on Tuesday night we have our
31:16
Speaker 2: Sky News documentary on the Bondi terror attack and here's
31:20
Speaker 2: a snippet of that.
31:22
Speaker 10: It was the most fun event. Kids love it.
31:24
Speaker 11: Just a regular Honoka party.
31:26
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
31:29
Speaker 10: They've been a studio with someone who've.
31:31
Speaker 6: Been I saw the shoot up.
31:33
Speaker 3: All was going through your mind.
31:34
Speaker 6: He was absolutely hunting.
31:36
Speaker 1: I got hit multiple times from you.
31:38
Speaker 3: I started screaming, how many bullets do you have?
31:40
Speaker 6: I just remember streaming with Tilda.
31:42
Speaker 15: I served my life.
31:43
Speaker 6: This picture with the words I love.
31:46
Speaker 1: You class the man who warned the Prime Minister, only
31:50
Speaker 1: to be killed at Bondi. There was like right here,
31:53
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and we reveal the incredible truth about
31:58
Speaker 1: a hero's final moment.
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Speaker 16: My dad was money towards the shooters, absolutely the best
32:03
Speaker 16: of Australia.
32:04
Speaker 2: He was speaking out against Dandie Semitism for two years.
32:07
Speaker 1: Things could have been prevented.
32:09
Speaker 3: It's very hard to accept.
32:10
Speaker 1: We are proud Jews.
32:13
Speaker 10: No one is going to take that away from us.
32:15
Speaker 1: Vorn Guy a timeline of terror for twenty four seven
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Speaker 1: thirty pm on.
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Speaker 2: Sky News, and that's seven point thirty not eight pm,
32:25
Speaker 2: so add it to your diaries and calendars if you
32:28
Speaker 2: haven't already.
32:30
Speaker 3: Now.
32:30
Speaker 2: I've also been working on something else related to this,
32:33
Speaker 2: but first, Johnny Minau is the co CEO of the
32:36
Speaker 2: Executive Council of Australian Jury.
32:38
Speaker 3: Alex Rifchin, Alex, thanks for being here.
32:40
Speaker 2: You sure now, We personally both felt that these stories
32:46
Speaker 2: had to be told properly. They're so important they can't
32:50
Speaker 2: just be forgotten, and so that's why we've impact on
32:53
Speaker 2: this next project together. It's a very big one. It's
32:56
Speaker 2: going to take a long time. I'll let I'll give
32:58
Speaker 2: you the honor of an ounce.
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Speaker 17: Thank you well, as you said, this has consumed us
33:04
Speaker 17: for so long. This community was our community. We bled
33:07
Speaker 17: with these people. We lost so much, and their stories
33:13
Speaker 17: have to be preserved. And we've seen with the history
33:15
Speaker 17: of the Holocaust, we've seen with October seventh, the capacity
33:19
Speaker 17: for history to be revised, to be denied, and we
33:22
Speaker 17: can't let that happen. We have to honor these people,
33:24
Speaker 17: and so you and I Sharia co writing a book
33:27
Speaker 17: called Bondai Terror to be published by harpercn's on the
33:30
Speaker 17: first of September, which will forever preserve the stories of
33:34
Speaker 17: that horrible day, the prelude to it, the aftermath of it,
33:39
Speaker 17: and this will be our tribute to the sacred dead
33:42
Speaker 17: and to the community that has suffered so much.
33:44
Speaker 2: And already working on this documentary and hearing all of
33:48
Speaker 2: the stories, I mean, there are so many inspiring, courageous stories,
33:53
Speaker 2: and so many of even the people who were killed
33:57
Speaker 2: were gunned down as they were trying to protect the community,
34:01
Speaker 2: as they were trying to stop the shooter. I mean,
34:04
Speaker 2: Ruven Morrison comes to mind, but there are so many
34:07
Speaker 2: other stories that just haven't been told yet.
34:09
Speaker 3: Yes, they will be told.
34:11
Speaker 2: In the documentary as well, but the book really allows
34:13
Speaker 2: you to go into greater detail. And as you say,
34:16
Speaker 2: I mean, I have such a strong sense that the
34:19
Speaker 2: other media will not do this properly, you know.
34:23
Speaker 3: Just like after the Holocaust.
34:24
Speaker 2: As you say, all of those stories need to be recorded,
34:28
Speaker 2: and we have.
34:28
Speaker 3: To do that now. It is incredibly.
34:30
Speaker 17: Important, absolutely, and you know, memories fade and memories falter,
34:35
Speaker 17: and I think it's critical that we undertake this work now,
34:38
Speaker 17: to record this while it's fresh, and to have this
34:42
Speaker 17: as a part of Australian history. It's now part of
34:44
Speaker 17: the Australian story, for better or for worse, and it
34:47
Speaker 17: needs to educate future generations about where government policy, in action,
34:53
Speaker 17: policing can lead the road to terror, what it does
34:57
Speaker 17: to communities, what it does to society, and how it
34:59
Speaker 17: has changed this country forever.
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Speaker 3: So that's an important part.
35:02
Speaker 2: So the book is called Bondaye Terror and of course
35:05
Speaker 2: it will tell the story of the massacre, but also
35:08
Speaker 2: it's going to be the two years of antisemptism crisis
35:12
Speaker 2: that led up to this, that culminated in the massacre,
35:15
Speaker 2: and then what happened in the immediate after math, the
35:20
Speaker 2: fight for the Royal commission and then the path forward.
35:23
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, the story really begins with October seven
35:26
Speaker 17: and the explosion of hatred that we saw at that time,
35:29
Speaker 17: the public demonstrations, the pledges to harm the Jewish community
35:33
Speaker 17: which went unheeded. We saw the fire bombings, the interference
35:37
Speaker 17: of foreign governments on domestic soil. Here where terrorism became
35:41
Speaker 17: a fact of life, and at that point, people like
35:43
Speaker 17: you and me were warning that death was inevitable. I
35:46
Speaker 17: stood outside my former home after it was firebombed and said,
35:50
Speaker 17: someone's going to end up dead. We're going to wake
35:52
Speaker 17: up to this, and that's what happened. So that has
35:55
Speaker 17: to be told. That story, and also the extraordinary aftermath
35:58
Speaker 17: of it, the coming together of community of country, the
36:01
Speaker 17: government's decision to deny role commission and flip under pressure
36:06
Speaker 17: to announce that will transpire. This is an incredible story.
36:10
Speaker 17: And as you said, the stories of the heroes, some
36:12
Speaker 17: of them are well known already, but so many aren't.
36:15
Speaker 17: You know, people like Label Lazarev, and I was by
36:18
Speaker 17: his bedside numerous times. I know you interviewed him for
36:20
Speaker 17: the documentary. This is an inspiring human being and stories
36:24
Speaker 17: like that need to be preserved. And also we want
36:27
Speaker 17: people to understand who this community was. Predominantly made up
36:30
Speaker 17: of migrants from the Soviet Union who came here penniless,
36:33
Speaker 17: who loved this country, were wholly devoted to it, who
36:36
Speaker 17: thought they'd found their utopia and found slaughter.
36:40
Speaker 2: I also just want to add something to all of
36:42
Speaker 2: that that I'm so grateful for is to work for
36:45
Speaker 2: this company, for sky News that puts a huge investment
36:49
Speaker 2: of resources, personnel, money, time into a documentary. I mean,
36:54
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for that, and also to Harper Collins,
36:57
Speaker 2: to the chief executive Jim Dimitri and our new publisher
37:01
Speaker 2: now Helen Littleton, who was also the publisher on my
37:04
Speaker 2: wo handbook, but for you know, having the commitment to
37:09
Speaker 2: this project on anti Semitism, on the Bondaid terror attack,
37:12
Speaker 2: and I feel so grateful, so.
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Speaker 17: Lucky, absolutely, and we've seen so many wonderful people, and
37:18
Speaker 17: obviously this is on our first collaboration. Sky News supported
37:22
Speaker 17: us in anti Semitism someone which brought a lot of
37:24
Speaker 17: these issues to the surface, and HarperCollins have been really
37:27
Speaker 17: significant backing us in this venture as well.
37:30
Speaker 2: So if you're watching this and you want to support
37:34
Speaker 2: our mission, which I'm sure you do. You can even
37:37
Speaker 2: pre order the book now if you head to book
37:40
Speaker 2: topia dot com dot Au, book toopia dot com dot
37:44
Speaker 2: U and then just search Bondai Terror it'll come up.
37:49
Speaker 2: The cover is still to come up. Actually, probably will
37:51
Speaker 2: show you the cover on Monday Night's show, hopefully the
37:54
Speaker 2: cover of the book. But for now, go to book
37:57
Speaker 2: toopia dot com dot au and search terror.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. All right, thank you, Ali, thank you.
38:05
Speaker 6: All right.
38:05
Speaker 2: Coming up, speculation about military action on Iran is heating up.
38:09
Speaker 2: The deputy Foreign Affairs Minister in Israel, Charen Haskell, will
38:12
Speaker 2: join me live, and a damaging clip of Woody Goldberg
38:15
Speaker 2: has resurfaced after she appeared.
38:18
Speaker 3: In the Epstein files. That's next.
38:25
Speaker 2: Well, the United States is now openly gaming a strike
38:28
Speaker 2: on Iran, possibly as soon as this weekend, but Donald
38:32
Speaker 2: Trump still hasn't signed off, with diplomacy in the background,
38:35
Speaker 2: and a big US military built up in the region,
38:39
Speaker 2: reportedly the biggest since the Iraq invasion in two thousand
38:42
Speaker 2: and three. Joining me now is Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister
38:46
Speaker 2: Charen Haskell.
38:47
Speaker 3: Charen, thank you very much for joining us.
38:49
Speaker 2: Do you expect, Sharon, do you expect there will be
38:53
Speaker 2: military action against Iran this weekend.
38:57
Speaker 18: So we are prepared ourselves for any option. We see
39:02
Speaker 18: how there's a stagnation or an attempt to just waste
39:06
Speaker 18: time by the Iranians. I don't see you know, a
39:13
Speaker 18: big possibility of them reaching an agreement because from what
39:16
Speaker 18: I understand, there's a very big refusal by Iranian leadership
39:26
Speaker 18: in that situation. We see the build up of power
39:29
Speaker 18: in the areas of the Middle East by the Americans,
39:32
Speaker 18: and we truly understand that, you know, Israel will always
39:35
Speaker 18: be the front time and so you know, as a civilian,
39:39
Speaker 18: I've already prepared my shelter with my three little girls.
39:43
Speaker 18: As you can see maybe behind me, the streets are
39:47
Speaker 18: just normal. There's like the hustle and bustle just before
39:50
Speaker 18: the weekend and people are out and everything is as normal.
39:54
Speaker 18: But as Israeli as we are also being prepared for
39:58
Speaker 18: that possibility.
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Speaker 3: Well that's a good point.
40:01
Speaker 2: I mean, are the local politicians warning civilians that there
40:06
Speaker 2: could be action this weekend and to, as you put it,
40:08
Speaker 2: be prepared to get ready if that is the case.
40:13
Speaker 18: So there isn't an official warning, but because of the situation,
40:19
Speaker 18: Israelis are already accustomed and know to be prepared, so
40:24
Speaker 18: you can sense the tensity. I mean, most of us
40:29
Speaker 18: are already ready because you know, the war didn't really end.
40:32
Speaker 18: I mean as much as there is some routine and
40:38
Speaker 18: not many alarms or anything like that. But we understand
40:41
Speaker 18: that we are still in a combat situation on four
40:45
Speaker 18: different fronts, and we understand the tension in Iran. Every
40:50
Speaker 18: single Israeli is following up close and negotiations in Geneva,
40:56
Speaker 18: and so we prepare ourselves. We have this crazy life
41:01
Speaker 18: where unfortunately we live in a tough neighborhood where we
41:06
Speaker 18: were surrounded by many enemies who are the forefront of
41:13
Speaker 18: this radical Islamist in geology that is hurting. You know,
41:20
Speaker 18: I just manage many places around the world.
41:24
Speaker 2: So true, I just want to return to the Iran situation.
41:27
Speaker 2: So the White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt said today
41:31
Speaker 2: that Iran should make a.
41:33
Speaker 3: Deal with Trump.
41:35
Speaker 2: We saw a similar situation before the last strikes against Iran,
41:39
Speaker 2: where Trump said, well, Iran didn't come to the table,
41:43
Speaker 2: and he waited for those talks to play out, and
41:46
Speaker 2: then he moved in. Do you think we're probably looking
41:48
Speaker 2: at a similar situation here? If they don't make a deal,
41:51
Speaker 2: he'll wait for the negotiations to conclude.
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Speaker 18: Look, I won't want to try and predict President Trump smooth,
42:00
Speaker 18: but he's known for, you know, the lack of patience,
42:05
Speaker 18: and when he's negotiating, he wants to see seriousness. And
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Speaker 18: I don't think that he saw that from the Iranian
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Speaker 18: side saying that the negotiations are still going. They said
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Speaker 18: they're gonna start writing some parts of the agreement, but
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Speaker 18: it's it's taking a very long time, I think in
42:26
Speaker 18: his kind of terms, or he's a side, and therefore
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Speaker 18: I think we are coming to a point where the
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Speaker 18: Iranians will need to make a decision whether they accept
42:39
Speaker 18: the basic terms that President Trump have put in or not.
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Speaker 18: And that puts a lot of tension on Intro because
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Speaker 18: we understand that, you know, the first front is going
42:50
Speaker 18: to be here.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's it's in a way, you know, it's it's
42:56
Speaker 2: an It's very uncertain because if there are if there
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Speaker 2: is no reaction, if there is war, you know, are
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Speaker 2: you concerned that others might get involved as well, either
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Speaker 2: of Iran's allies.
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Speaker 18: I think these concerns we had in Operation Rising Lions,
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Speaker 18: and I think that the Iranians were disappointed from the
43:23
Speaker 18: fact that they didn't that they didn't join in. I
43:29
Speaker 18: don't think they have an interest in joining in. If
43:34
Speaker 18: the Americans will start an operation, I think that they
43:38
Speaker 18: will have far more word to lose than to actually gain.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's extraordinary that you know, the reports of the
43:47
Speaker 2: US air power built up in the Middle East is
43:49
Speaker 2: the largest since two thousand and three.
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Speaker 3: According to media reports. It's just enormous.
43:54
Speaker 2: Just finally, very quickly before you go, Donald Trump's Board
43:57
Speaker 2: of peaces meeting for the first time in washing in
44:01
Speaker 2: big talk on rebuilding Gaza. Do you have confidence in
44:04
Speaker 2: this border piece.
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Speaker 18: Look, I think it's the first step in starting to
44:10
Speaker 18: think outside of the box. And I think you know
44:15
Speaker 18: that Foreign Minister Gidon saw who's going to represent Israel
44:18
Speaker 18: there tomorrow. I trust him and and and and you know,
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Speaker 18: I have a lot of confidence in him bringing the
44:27
Speaker 18: interest and the messages of what Israel's needs are. And
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Speaker 18: I think the most important thing is a message that
44:34
Speaker 18: needs to come out from there that there's a united voice,
44:38
Speaker 18: international voice that call for the disarmament of Ramas, because
44:42
Speaker 18: without the disarmament of Kramas, we cannot go further, there
44:46
Speaker 18: will not be another step to start the second phasemas
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Speaker 18: master disarm and if during this meeting, the first meeting,
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Speaker 18: there's a unanimous voice that called for Kamas to do that.
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Speaker 18: I think it's a good step forward. It's a first,
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Speaker 18: good step.
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Speaker 2: Sharenne, really appreciate your time as always, Thank you so much,
45:08
Speaker 2: and stay safe this weekend.
45:12
Speaker 3: All right, coming up.
45:13
Speaker 2: A damaging clip of Whoopy Goldberg has resurfaced after.
45:16
Speaker 3: Her name showed up in the Epstein files.
45:18
Speaker 2: That's next, Whoopy Goldberg's back in the headlines after she
45:28
Speaker 2: acknowledged on the View that her name does.
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Speaker 3: Appear in the Epstein files.
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Speaker 19: In the name of transparency, can you put up my
45:40
Speaker 19: name is in the file? It says, WHOOPI needs a
45:43
Speaker 19: plan to get to Monaco. John Lennon's charity. It should
45:47
Speaker 19: say Julian Lennon's charity is paying for it. People are
45:50
Speaker 19: trying to turn me into I wasn't his girlfriend.
45:55
Speaker 11: I was.
45:55
Speaker 19: You were a trand for him, I was not only
45:57
Speaker 19: too old, but it was at a time you know
46:00
Speaker 19: where this is just not You used to have to
46:04
Speaker 19: have facts before you said stuff.
46:09
Speaker 2: Now an old clip has resurfaced of Whoopee on the View,
46:12
Speaker 2: appearing to downplay Roman Polanski's rape of a thirteen year old.
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Speaker 17: No, it wasn't rape, raap.
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Speaker 10: Yeah there is.
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Speaker 6: I am child molest maybe I'm not.
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Speaker 19: It was sometimes, it was sometimes, but I don't believe
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Speaker 19: it was rape rap.
46:26
Speaker 2: And joining me now, Spiked Online editor Tom Slater, Tom,
46:32
Speaker 2: this is pretty embarrassing all of this for Whoopy Goldberg.
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Speaker 17: No.
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Speaker 20: Absolutely, It's not the first time that Whoopy Goldberg has
46:39
Speaker 20: put a foot in it and said something ridiculous. I mean,
46:41
Speaker 20: it wasn't that long ago that she was saying that
46:43
Speaker 20: the Holocaust wasn't really about race, and that to climb
46:45
Speaker 20: down from those absurd comments. I mean, it's fair to
46:48
Speaker 20: say that what she said in that on earth clip
46:50
Speaker 20: was ridiculous. Everyone knows what Roman Planski was originally charged with,
46:54
Speaker 20: both drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl. But
46:57
Speaker 20: I think what's kind of happened is that in the
47:00
Speaker 20: midst of the Epstein files, which she's quite right to say,
47:02
Speaker 20: is it has unfortunately and unfairly implicated all the kinds
47:06
Speaker 20: of people like ourselves whose just name happens to appear
47:09
Speaker 20: because they were rich and wealthy and well connected and
47:12
Speaker 20: the sort of people Wepstein might have wanted to associate with.
47:14
Speaker 20: It's still a reminder of one of the many times
47:16
Speaker 20: that she's said something absolutely stupid.
47:20
Speaker 2: Now, with the Epstein files in the UK, the UK
47:23
Speaker 2: police are now widening their pro It's now apparently across
47:26
Speaker 2: nine forces, which really seems excessive. Nine police forces. You know,
47:33
Speaker 2: why is so much investigative power being put to this
47:37
Speaker 2: one case.
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Speaker 20: No, it's fascinating cherry and it's something which has reached
47:42
Speaker 20: up to the top of a natural crime agency as well.
47:45
Speaker 20: It seems like the latest release of files have had
47:48
Speaker 20: almost the biggest impact in Britain itself. It's not only
47:52
Speaker 20: led to the Peter Manlson scandal obviously, the former Prince
47:56
Speaker 20: Andrew also being investigated himself, not for trafficking of assort allegations,
48:01
Speaker 20: but the misconduct in public office for handing sensitive information
48:05
Speaker 20: over to Epstein. And it seems like what they're looking
48:07
Speaker 20: at now is any allegation, any suggestion that various British
48:13
Speaker 20: airports or various parts of the country were implicated or
48:16
Speaker 20: used in the trafficking of women and sexual assault under Epstein.
48:20
Speaker 20: So it's something that you do wonder if this, if
48:22
Speaker 20: there was a case here, why wasn't it investigated earlier?
48:24
Speaker 20: Is there anything really within these files which has prompted this,
48:27
Speaker 20: But it is just a reminder I think that for
48:29
Speaker 20: whatever reason, this latest release of those files has put
48:32
Speaker 20: particular wrecking ball through the British establishment and led the
48:36
Speaker 20: police to make this kind of hasty response afterwards.
48:39
Speaker 2: Just finally, Donald Trump is worn in Kirstarma over a
48:43
Speaker 2: group of islands in the Indian Ocean.
48:46
Speaker 3: What is all of this about?
48:48
Speaker 20: It's trying to describe it, To explain it in a
48:50
Speaker 20: nutshere was difficult. But these are the Chagos Islands. These
48:53
Speaker 20: are at least still currently British territory, which Kirstarma, out
48:58
Speaker 20: of nowhere, decided that he was going to hand them
49:00
Speaker 20: over to Mauritius, which has a very tenuous claim to them.
49:04
Speaker 20: It was off the back of an advisory ruling of
49:07
Speaker 20: an international court. But that's the sort of thing here
49:09
Speaker 20: Starmer likes to do.
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump has pointed.
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Speaker 20: Out quite rightly that this doesn't make any sense from
49:13
Speaker 20: the point of national security. It's in the Indian Ocean.
49:16
Speaker 20: It's a very useful piece of military real estate on
49:18
Speaker 20: which we have a shared US UK base, and it's
49:21
Speaker 20: also a part of the world in which China in
49:23
Speaker 20: particular is quite keen on expanding its design. So you've
49:27
Speaker 20: now got Donald Trump saying that he no longer supports
49:29
Speaker 20: the deal, where previously he was at least trying to
49:31
Speaker 20: be helpful to Stalmer on this, and Starmer claiming that
49:34
Speaker 20: he's going to double down and backet. So where this goes,
49:37
Speaker 20: I'm not sure. But what Trump is absolutely right about
49:39
Speaker 20: is this is an absurd, ridiculous deal that the British
49:42
Speaker 20: government never had to engage in but has.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
49:45
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no understandable reason why Kirs Starmer would have,
49:50
Speaker 2: you know, accept some obscure court ruling in and just
49:53
Speaker 2: give up ownership of a group of iore. That's utterly bizarre.
49:56
Speaker 2: All right, Tom Slater, thank you for joining us. Thanks
49:59
Speaker 2: so much for your company this week, and there's been
50:03
Speaker 2: so much news, so much happening. I wasn't here last
50:05
Speaker 2: night because I was finishing filming on the documentary. Don't
50:08
Speaker 2: forget that seven point thirty on Tuesday, and I'll see
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Speaker 2: you Monday at eight.
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Speaker 3: Here's Paul Murray