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After Gut Punch, Gabby Petito's Family Case Makes Its Way to Utah Supreme Court · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: After a gut punch to the family of Gabby Petito
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  Speaker 2: when a judge blocked their lawsuit against cops they claimed
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  Speaker 2: quote sent her to her death. A reversal the case
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  Speaker 2: is now heading to the State Supreme Court. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us. The parents of Gabby Petito, murder victim
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  Speaker 2: just scrubbed in Sunshine, beautiful girl inside and outside, suffered
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  Speaker 2: a horrific legal blow as their wrongful death lawsuit against
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  Speaker 2: Utah police was.
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  Speaker 1: Thrown out of court by a judge recalled.
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  Speaker 2: Gabby vanished on a cross country road trip with her
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  Speaker 2: then fiance, Brian Laundry, but her remains were found and
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  Speaker 2: dispersed camp basically in the middle of nowhere on the
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  Speaker 2: edge of Wyoming's Grand Teeton National Park. Laundry later confessed
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  Speaker 2: to killing her, but this was weeks after Moai police
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  Speaker 2: spoke with them about a domestic violence incident. Witnesses saw
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  Speaker 2: Brian Laundry strike her in the face literally on main Street,
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  Speaker 2: yet they treated Gabby as if she was the aggressor.
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  Speaker 2: Then Utah Seventh Court Judge John Torgerson dismissed their claim,
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  Speaker 2: claiming that the police have governmental immunity.
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  Speaker 1: From the lawsuit.
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  Speaker 2: It's called the king can do no wrong or sovereign immunity.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot sue the government. The Petito lawyer said the
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  Speaker 2: parents relied on officers to help them, but their grossly
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  Speaker 2: negligent investigation increased the likelihood their daughter would be harmed
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  Speaker 2: and quote sent her to her death. But in the
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  Speaker 2: last days his decision has been thrown out and the
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  Speaker 2: case is making its way to the Utah Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 2: If you will recall, Gabby and her killer slash fiance,
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  Speaker 2: Brian Laundry, were pulled over by Moat police. Witnesses had
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  Speaker 2: seen Brian Laundry hitting Gabby in the face. Yet, after
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  Speaker 2: Brian Laundry takes off in the car and Gabby Potito's
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  Speaker 2: for transit, almost leaving her behind, she had to try
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  Speaker 2: and jump in the car window. He was leaving not
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  Speaker 2: only in her for transit, but everything she owned in
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  Speaker 2: the world. She had single handedly customized the transit for
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  Speaker 2: a cross country trip in the.
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  Speaker 1: Heat of the moment.
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  Speaker 2: After hitting her in the face, he tries to drive
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  Speaker 2: off with her transit at all her worldly belongings. She
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  Speaker 2: finally gets in and not too far out of the city,
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  Speaker 2: she's pulled over along with Laundry, who's driving, and believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not, the Moa police name her as the
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  Speaker 2: aggressor and let them go. It was within hours that
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  Speaker 2: Gabby Petito was murdered by her violent fiancee, Brian Laundry.
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  Speaker 2: So bottom line, can her family sue the Moa Police department?
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  Speaker 2: Well as of right now, believe it or not, the
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  Speaker 2: answer is no. But let me guarantee you I predict
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  Speaker 2: this case ain't over yet and that it will become
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  Speaker 2: extremely complicated and contentious. Remember this happened in Moab, Utah.
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  Speaker 2: The Utah seventh District Court Judge Don Torgerson agreed with
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  Speaker 2: the city of Moab. They requested that the Gabby Potito
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  Speaker 2: family motion be dismissed, and the judge went along with it.
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  Speaker 2: He basically said, this is too big for a district
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  Speaker 2: court to decide, and appeals courts will have to determine
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  Speaker 2: if the Potitos had a case. Now, many people argue
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  Speaker 2: that Judge Torgerson had no choice but grant the request
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  Speaker 2: to dismiss the case based on something called governmental immunity.
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  Speaker 2: It's also called sovereign immunity, which dates all the way
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  Speaker 2: back to our common law from Great Britain.
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  Speaker 1: The king can do no wrong.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, you can't sue the king, and here
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  Speaker 2: you can't sue the government. So one of the potatoes
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  Speaker 2: are asking is for the judge to rule against sovereign immunity.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think everybody else is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I think Torgerson could have gone along with the potatoes,
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  Speaker 2: but he hid behind his robes and decided not to act.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do a little reality check about what happened to
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  Speaker 2: Gabby Potito.
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  Speaker 3: Scary and nerve wrecking. We don't sleep. We're just actively
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  Speaker 3: looking for her. At least three times a week. We
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  Speaker 3: would FaceTime, called text frequently. She kept me updated on.
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  Speaker 1: This whole trip. The first couple of days.
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  Speaker 3: Though I wasn't getting responses. I believe she was in
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  Speaker 3: a place with no service. It took I mean it
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  Speaker 3: was like day eight and nine that I really became concerned.
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  Speaker 2: I've been on that exact route before with the twins
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  Speaker 2: in an RV, and the mom is right. There are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of desk spots where you can't get a
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  Speaker 2: sale to call out.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at behavioral evidence.
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  Speaker 2: How many days had passed before mom realized something was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at CBS two.
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  Speaker 4: Police say she's believed to have last been in Wyoming's
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  Speaker 4: Grand Teetown National Park.
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  Speaker 1: Video of the trip was.
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  Speaker 4: Uploaded to YouTube August nineteenth. Her mother says she left
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  Speaker 4: New York early July for the trip, which was set
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  Speaker 4: to end in Oregon next month. She was traveling in
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  Speaker 4: this white van, which police say has been recovered.
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  Speaker 3: I just believe she's in danger because she's not in
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  Speaker 3: touch with us, and she could be alone somewhere. She
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  Speaker 3: could be stranded somewhere in the wilderness.
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  Speaker 1: And she need help.
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  Speaker 2: Well, is that what happened? Does she and her boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: have an argument and he she stormed off? Did he
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  Speaker 2: just leave hersranded? My question is why is he not
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  Speaker 2: being forthcoming and telling the story as to what happened
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  Speaker 2: to Gabrielle? As I told you, The van is found
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  Speaker 2: in his parents' driveway back in Florida. But no Gabby,
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  Speaker 2: how did it all start? Take a listen to April
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  Speaker 2: Baker Fox thirteen.
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  Speaker 5: Gabby is originally from New York, but she was living
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  Speaker 5: in Florida with her fiance at the time.
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  Speaker 1: They took off on the road trip back in July.
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  Speaker 5: Her family tells Fox News that the couple was touring
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  Speaker 5: national parks in a converted camper van before heading to
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  Speaker 5: Salt Lake City. The couple actually documented most of their
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  Speaker 5: trip on Instagram and YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: You're seeing it here, some of it showing.
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  Speaker 5: Them hanging out in a tent outside Capital Reef. Gabby's mom, Nicole,
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  Speaker 5: says she last spoke on the phone with her daughter
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  Speaker 5: August twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 2: That's very critical as a matter of fact, because that
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  Speaker 2: travel on video, which I have watched over and over
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  Speaker 2: and over. It's call nomadic Static with the K, Static
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  Speaker 2: with the K, and it's very engrossing. It makes you
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  Speaker 2: want to be with them on the camp or this beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: wonderful trip. But it's critical to me because her last
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  Speaker 2: Instagram posting linked to that video and that's really the
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  Speaker 2: last day as I understand the timeline that we know
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  Speaker 2: her to be safe and alive. About the video, Take
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  Speaker 2: a listen to her video van live.
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  Speaker 1: Take a tiny listen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I meane never goes outside.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: You hear this beautiful whimsical music throughout and it shows
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  Speaker 2: them traveling the country. A lot of the shots our
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  Speaker 2: video as they're you know, looking out the window as
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  Speaker 2: they're flying past desert. They went to the Delicate Arch,
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  Speaker 2: they went to the Mystic Hot Springs, They covered everything
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  Speaker 2: beautiful in the West.
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  Speaker 1: How did it all go so horribly wrong? With me?
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  Speaker 2: An all star panel to try to make some sense
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  Speaker 2: of what we know right now? With me renowned trial attorney,
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  Speaker 2: you know her well, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina. You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Karen Stark, you know her well. She is a psychologist
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  Speaker 2: joining us out of Manhattan at karens dot com on Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: Karen start.
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  Speaker 2: That's with a c who has analyzed nearly every high
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  Speaker 2: profile criminal case that I can think of. Joining me
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  Speaker 2: Lisa M. Daddio, former police lieutenant. And you have a
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  Speaker 2: police department lecturer and the director of the Center for
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  Speaker 2: Advanced Policing in New Haven and Emmy Award winning investigative
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  Speaker 2: reporter Christy Missourich. Christy, let's start at the beginning. Tell
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  Speaker 2: me about how the road trip. With the inception of
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  Speaker 2: the road trip.
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  Speaker 6: They were living together in Florida and this boyfriend promotes
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  Speaker 6: himself as a nature enthusiast.
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  Speaker 1: Stop, what do you mean? Promotes himself well on Facebook.
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  Speaker 6: In all of his other social media, he promotes himself
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  Speaker 6: as a nature enthusiast and believes that getting bug bites
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  Speaker 6: out in the beauty of the world are better than
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  Speaker 6: being brainwashed by the media his words.
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  Speaker 2: What's wrong with that? You say it like there's something
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  Speaker 2: wrong with being a nature enthusiast. And I want to
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  Speaker 2: ask you, is nature enthusiasts?
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  Speaker 1: Are those? Your words? Are his words?
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  Speaker 6: His words?
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  Speaker 1: His words and nature? Can I ask you this?
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  Speaker 2: What does he do for a living other than be
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  Speaker 2: enthusiastic about nature?
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  Speaker 6: Working at a public's grocery store?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, I'm glad you said that, because they both
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  Speaker 2: worked at publics.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not where they met. Okay, I'm interrupting you
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead?
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  Speaker 6: Will They originally meet in New York State, and then
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  Speaker 6: he leaves with his parents to go to Florida. She
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  Speaker 6: follows a few years later, so earlier this summer, they
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  Speaker 6: decide that they are going to leave all of their
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  Speaker 6: valuables behind and transform this van into a mini camper,
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  Speaker 6: travel up to see her brother graduate in New York
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  Speaker 6: State and then cross the country on this excursion.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it's my understanding. Christy, Missouri.
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  Speaker 2: They knew each other way back way back home in
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  Speaker 2: Suffolk County.
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  Speaker 1: Then she goes.
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  Speaker 2: Then they meet each other again years later. It's like
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  Speaker 2: meeting an old high school friend and they fall in love.
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  Speaker 2: He moves to Florida, she comes down with him. Her father,
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  Speaker 2: her bio Dat, also moves to Florida to be near her.
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  Speaker 2: The mom and her new husband stay in New York.
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  Speaker 2: Is my understanding, and then they travel back to New
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  Speaker 2: York for her little brother's high school graduation, and from
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  Speaker 2: there they commence.
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  Speaker 1: The road Trip Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the last days, the Utah Supreme Court scheduled oral
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  Speaker 2: arguments in the Gabby petito family's case against the Moab
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  Speaker 2: Police Department. Lawyers for the Potito family say police should
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  Speaker 2: have recognized signs and symptoms of domestic violence. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: a domestic violence crisis when you look at the video
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  Speaker 2: of Gabby crying and describing what happened, and discover what
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  Speaker 2: witnesses had to say about laundry slapping her and locking
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  Speaker 2: her out of her own forward transit, threatening to leave
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  Speaker 2: her there in the middle of nowhere, she had to
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  Speaker 2: try to climb in the window to get back in
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  Speaker 2: her own vehicle. Yes, that's domestic violence. But now Gabby's
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  Speaker 2: family will have their day in court. Their case against
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  Speaker 2: mo FPD will be heard in front of the Utah
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court. Now, Justin Burton, who is Gabby's family lawyer, argued,
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  Speaker 2: the ability to file a suit like this is built
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  Speaker 2: into the Utah Constitution and that the government immunity as
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  Speaker 2: I was describing earlier, sovereign immunity is unconstitutional, completely unconstitutional. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the judge, as I've seen so many times before, this
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  Speaker 2: is Judge Don Torttersen, goes to great links to explain
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  Speaker 2: before he dismissed it how he had to.
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  Speaker 1: Follow the law.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if this is the law, then the law is
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  Speaker 2: an ass okay, and Torgersen went along with it.
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  Speaker 1: What happened, Sharon Stark?
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  Speaker 2: It looks like something off HGTV where they have people
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  Speaker 2: that live they do a little house or a house
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  Speaker 2: on wheels or traveling campers and you're on the room
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  Speaker 2: and it's so amazing and it's escapist. But this was
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  Speaker 2: their real life. Gabby, Gabrielle and boyfriend Laundry go on
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  Speaker 2: this what's in a lifetime fantastic trip, and they video
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  Speaker 2: blog it and the blog is engrossing in one part, Karen,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I watched the whole thing, which is rare
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  Speaker 2: for me.
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  Speaker 1: She's in her tent.
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  Speaker 2: She says, we're going to hang out at the campsite today,
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  Speaker 2: and it all looks so cozy and perfect, and you
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  Speaker 2: can see this beautiful natural scenery that most of us
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  Speaker 2: just dream of seeing one day in the background, and
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  Speaker 2: then one day it's raining and she's holding the tent
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  Speaker 2: up like that because she says the rain's coming in
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  Speaker 2: and she's laughing. She's just so happy and it makes
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  Speaker 2: you want to go along with them. She's got a
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  Speaker 2: very inviting personnel.
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  Speaker 7: She's totally engrossing, and the whole trip the only thing
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  Speaker 7: that's what makes it so mysterious and upsetting to think
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  Speaker 7: about how beautiful is coming across and she totally disappeared.
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  Speaker 7: And Nancy, when you watch that, the only thing that
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  Speaker 7: you can find is that she talks about how precarious
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  Speaker 7: it is that they like to climb, and they really
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  Speaker 7: like to climb things that are difficult.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's so funny, funny.
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  Speaker 2: Odd, I was up super early this morning studying about
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  Speaker 2: Gabrielle Gabby and was discussing it with my friend Medea,
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  Speaker 2: and she said, well, what if they were posting on
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  Speaker 2: a cliff and Gabby fell off? And my response was
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  Speaker 2: that could possibly have happened. But why would.
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  Speaker 1: He get in the van and come all the way
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  Speaker 1: back home to Florida?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Northport or North north Point, Christy Masurich.
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  Speaker 1: Port Port Nancy?
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  Speaker 6: To your point of all the cliff climbing on August
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  Speaker 6: twenty third, ed Gebby didn't post on Instagram that the
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  Speaker 6: pair were doing adventurous and risky hikes through some dangerous
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  Speaker 6: terrain during their stay. That was one of her last posts.
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  Speaker 1: You know, back to you, Karen with.
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  Speaker 2: That knowledge, you know, Christy massourk is right the hiking
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  Speaker 2: was very forcarious. As a matter of fact, if that happened,
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  Speaker 2: why would he drive all the way back to north Port, Florida,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is Sarasota County and not say a
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  Speaker 2: word to anybody if she fell off a cliff, or
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  Speaker 2: even if they had an argument Karen and she's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going anymore, this is it and leaves number one?
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  Speaker 2: Why would he leave or stranded if that's what happened,
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  Speaker 2: But to come all the way back home and not
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  Speaker 2: tell everybody what happened.
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  Speaker 7: This is really a nefarious character and he planned something
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  Speaker 7: all along, or he went into shock. Something really did
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  Speaker 7: happen to her and he couldn't cope with it.
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  Speaker 1: Do not handle Karen Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen.
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  Speaker 2: If he could drive across country and operate a van
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  Speaker 2: having to stop, I guess for gas or food, that's
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  Speaker 2: not a shock to me.
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  Speaker 1: When you're in shock, you can't think straight.
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  Speaker 7: Not necessarily, he could get himself home. He could have punished,
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  Speaker 7: And that's the only thing I could think of that
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  Speaker 7: would make.
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  Speaker 1: Sense out of it.
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  Speaker 7: Unless he actually had planned all along to do something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe that there was a plan all along
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  Speaker 2: to do something. I don't believe that.
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  Speaker 1: Guys. Take a listen to our cut five. I love
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  Speaker 1: the VN.
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  Speaker 8: So we are right outside Capital Reef right now in
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  Speaker 8: a free dispersed camp spot, and we've been lucky so
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  Speaker 8: far at all the places you stayed, but I say
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  Speaker 8: this is one of the best so far.
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  Speaker 1: Since we left in New York.
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  Speaker 8: I've only set up my hammock once and they were
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  Speaker 8: all the way in Utah, and luckily enough, I was
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  Speaker 8: able to set up my hammock in one of these trees.
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  Speaker 1: And they're kind of like in the desert. I heard
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  Speaker 1: a few trees. It just sounds so beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: And I also noticed, straight out to you, Kathleen Murphy,
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina trial lawyer, Kathleen, I noticed throughout he spoke
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  Speaker 2: very little. It's mostly her shooting the video and speaking.
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  Speaker 2: He did occasionally speak, But I want to know what
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  Speaker 2: you make of it, Kathleen.
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  Speaker 9: Well, first, Nancy, I went and tried to do a
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  Speaker 9: deep dive on who this guy is. In all of
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  Speaker 9: his social media accounts, there's nothing prior to meeting this
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  Speaker 9: young lady. I knew nothing about him.
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  Speaker 1: Except what he is like with this young lady. I did, and.
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  Speaker 10: It's concerning to me that we don't know much.
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  Speaker 9: And you know, I have a daughter about the same
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  Speaker 9: age and I know her boyfriend pretty well. And I
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  Speaker 9: went and be dived on his social media account. I
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  Speaker 9: can't find anything about this young guy before he met
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  Speaker 9: this girl.
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  Speaker 1: How old is he?
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  Speaker 2: Well, from what we understand, he is a twenty three
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  Speaker 2: year old young man. That's my understanding of his age.
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  Speaker 2: Kathleen twenty three.
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  Speaker 9: He looks a lot older on his pictures, but it
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  Speaker 9: seems to me that he would have high school pictures
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  Speaker 9: and work pictures and family pictures out there.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't find anything.
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  Speaker 9: And so I don't really know if the family knows
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  Speaker 9: much about him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would think that they do Christy, Missouri, because
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  Speaker 2: my understanding of how the.
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  Speaker 1: Two knew each other is they knew.
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  Speaker 2: Each other previously, and there's not much previously. She's only
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  Speaker 2: twenty two, so she had to know him in high
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  Speaker 2: school or college. She had to know him at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Then they reconnect and then fall in love. That's my understanding.
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  Speaker 2: So the family had to know him if she knew
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  Speaker 2: him in her past.
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  Speaker 11: It's only twenty two, correct, They did go to high
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  Speaker 11: school together and they knew Brian in passing, and when
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  Speaker 11: they reconnected, they kind of gave the duel their blessing.
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  Speaker 6: That's why her biological father moved down to Florida to
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  Speaker 6: be close to them.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to Nicole Schmidt is Gabby's mother and Jim Schmidt
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  Speaker 2: her stepfather.
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  Speaker 1: At their most recent press conference, when she.
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  Speaker 2: Left, what did she say like Cima?
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  Speaker 1: He said, on my height?
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  Speaker 12: What did she What was it like?
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  Speaker 13: We hid?
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  Speaker 3: We gave them some money, so you know they needed
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  Speaker 3: it because they're kids, you know, they were excited.
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  Speaker 1: About the truth. They left on July second from New
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  Speaker 1: York was.
• 20:43
  Speaker 14: The first of the trip on the what are they
• 20:46
  Speaker 14: trying to do?
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Camping, hiking, seeing the country?
• 20:50
  Speaker 15: What we're sure bout truth?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: The trip was was the end in October.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And Shortland, Oregon, And most of the last conversation had
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: with her on video chat.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: What did she's a I.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Believe it was around the twenty third and or the
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: twenty fourth, I can't recall, but she was having a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: great time. She said she was headed up to Wyoming.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So the last time that we see her, they were
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: facetiming to my understanding, was around let's give it the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt August twenty four. She was not
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: reported missing by her family until September eleven. Why well,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you heard the mother stating that she thought Gabby had
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: gone into a remote area where there's no cell phone coverage,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: so she chalked it off. Now, they were speaking every
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: three days or so by FaceTime, and her bio dad
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: was also speaking to her. So the first three days
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: past and she thinks, well, she's in a bad cell area.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Then we get to the next three days as she
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: still does not hear from her. So you go August
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: twenty four, you pass six days, you're now in August thirty.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Then she finds out, to my understanding, that the boyfriend
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: comes back home on September.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Eleven in the van with no Gabby.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: That is when she not the boyfriend reports Gabby missing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: A judge has granted the defense motion to dismiss the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: family of Gabby Potito's lawsuit against Moab Police Department. It
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: was a virtual hearing in the last hours. The state
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: argued a lawsuit like this should not be filed against
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the Moab PD because of sovereign immunity.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: The King can do no wrong.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It's a holdover from Anglo Saxon common law that we
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: brought with us when we settled America from Great Britain.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I got a curve ball for you, Jude.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: If this is the law, then the laws ass Do
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I need to jog your memory, Judge Jorgerson, about what
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: happened to Gabby Potito? Okay, I will I want you
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: to Take a listen to what we know about the
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: van showing up. Take a listen to our cut twenty four.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: It's Evan Exelbank. Our friends at Fox thirteen.
• 23:20
  Speaker 16: Police found the van that they were potentially by the
• 23:22
  Speaker 16: boyfriend's parents. They're now processing that they've toted it away
• 23:25
  Speaker 16: and are looking through it for any evidence they can find.
• 23:29
  Speaker 16: Family in New York say that Gabrielle Pateto was on
• 23:33
  Speaker 16: a cross country trip, leaving Long Island on July second.
• 23:37
  Speaker 16: They were headed to Oregon, but stoppering numerous places along
• 23:40
  Speaker 16: the way, documenting their journey in their van on YouTube.
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: Family last spoke with her August twenty fourth or twenty fifth.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And last texted with her August thirtieth.
• 23:51
  Speaker 16: She was reported missing this weekend September eleventh, and they
• 23:54
  Speaker 16: may have reached as far as Grand Teton National Park.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: What happened that fateful moment when Moab police ignored all
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the signs that Gabby Brittito was a domestic violence victim,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: named her the aggressor, and sent her along her way
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: with her killer body cam video. Let's go, Tyler if
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: you could play cut to zero eight.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: This is Adrian Banker. Muse Nation Now Biddy.
• 24:26
  Speaker 17: Camera video has been released from Gabby Batito and Brian
• 24:28
  Speaker 17: Laundry's heated exchange in Utah back in August, and it
• 24:31
  Speaker 17: Patito admits she hit Laundry first, but that then he
• 24:34
  Speaker 17: grabbed her face after and dug his nails into her face.
• 24:38
  Speaker 17: The officer is heard on this camera footage this video
• 24:42
  Speaker 17: footage telling Laundry that he is the victim of domestic assault.
• 24:46
  Speaker 18: The police chief has taken a sudden leave of absence
• 24:49
  Speaker 18: and now the city is looking into how the police
• 24:51
  Speaker 18: officers involved handled the situation when they were called to
• 24:55
  Speaker 18: stop there with Gabby and with Brian, and many people
• 24:58
  Speaker 18: criticizing this incident because the police called Brian the victim
• 25:02
  Speaker 18: in this situation.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to Massa Society joining us
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: WFLA TV. How come we didn't see that bodycam video?
• 25:12
  Speaker 19: To start with, great question, A great question, a question
• 25:16
  Speaker 19: that we're asking, and another question, is there any other
• 25:19
  Speaker 19: bodycam video that we haven't seen yet. There's a female
• 25:22
  Speaker 19: law enforcement officer on that scene and she is according
• 25:26
  Speaker 19: to the two bodycam videos that we have seen already,
• 25:28
  Speaker 19: she does appear to be talking with Gabby alone while
• 25:32
  Speaker 19: Gabby is in the back of that police cruiser. You know,
• 25:35
  Speaker 19: sometimes a girl might reveal more information to another to
• 25:39
  Speaker 19: another woman, So it'd be very interesting to see if
• 25:42
  Speaker 19: there's any other bodycam video and feel free to chime in.
• 25:45
  Speaker 19: But I did think I saw possibly a camera on
• 25:48
  Speaker 19: her uniform, so that's one big question. But really the
• 25:51
  Speaker 19: new thing that happened when this video was released. The
• 25:54
  Speaker 19: officer says, quote, did he hit you though? And she says,
• 25:58
  Speaker 19: I guess yeah, but I had him first, and she
• 26:01
  Speaker 19: kind of breaks down. She says, he grabbed my face.
• 26:04
  Speaker 19: He didn't punch me, but he grabbed me with his nail.
• 26:07
  Speaker 19: I definitely have a cut. I can feel it when
• 26:09
  Speaker 19: I touch it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 20: It burns.
• 26:11
  Speaker 19: So this is what was new, Gabby saying very clearly
• 26:15
  Speaker 19: that he also assaulted her in this way. This is
• 26:18
  Speaker 19: something that we did not hear as clearly.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Let's try to play the entirety of cut to eleven,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the Moa Police Department second body cam footage that we
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: didn't see initially.
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: After you lock you out, he walked away to go
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: take a breather. But I wanted to sit in the
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: car because there was all myself in.
• 26:39
  Speaker 21: The car on my back.
• 26:42
  Speaker 14: I was working on something at the moment in the
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: car and I don't want to relax, so I got.
• 26:57
  Speaker 21: Wow, there's something cheek here. It's like, did you did
• 27:08
  Speaker 21: you get hit in the face? Hitting you in the
• 27:12
  Speaker 21: face over on your arm shoulders?
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: This new?
• 27:17
  Speaker 22: Huh new Mark, I don't.
• 27:21
  Speaker 21: Know the other side of your face. So what happened here?
• 27:25
  Speaker 22: And here?
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: I'm I'm sure.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: So the back gotcha?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: So she has a bruise and a cut on her face,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: a bruise on her left arm, Yet she was dan
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the aggressor. If Laundry had been arrested right then and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: there for domestic violence in mo Ab, would Gabby be alive?
• 28:00
  Speaker 15: I'm doctor brinblu Teton County, Wyoming Corner. After the detailed
• 28:05
  Speaker 15: investigation by our forensic pathologists or anthropologists and local law
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: enforcement with assistance from the FBI, the Teton County Corner's
• 28:14
  Speaker 15: Office is following the following verdict in the manner of
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: death of Gabrielle Remora Patito. We find the cause and
• 28:22
  Speaker 15: manner of the cause death by strangulation and manner is homicide.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: To investigate a reporter with w FLA TV joining me
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: right now, Massa's Society on the case from the very beginning.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Were you surprised at all with what the coroner said
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: strangulation death.
• 28:41
  Speaker 19: I mean, it has been just an absolutely heartbreaking day.
• 28:44
  Speaker 20: We know that the Potito family knew this was coming,
• 28:46
  Speaker 20: that officials were in.
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: Touch with them.
• 28:48
  Speaker 20: But as you said, we just learned from the Teton
• 28:51
  Speaker 20: County Corner that Gabby Petito was strangled. It's unclear if
• 28:55
  Speaker 20: it was manual or with an object. We also learned
• 28:57
  Speaker 20: that her body had been outside in the wilderness, likely
• 29:01
  Speaker 20: for three to four weeks before it was discovered. We
• 29:05
  Speaker 20: had no other information about her remains, as you mentioned
• 29:07
  Speaker 20: right off the top, Nancy, about any potential prior injuries,
• 29:11
  Speaker 20: if the body had been moved, none of that. The
• 29:13
  Speaker 20: Chutung County Corner doctor Brent Blue kept saying that his
• 29:16
  Speaker 20: job was only to determine the cause of death and
• 29:19
  Speaker 20: the manner of death. Reporters were peppering him with tons
• 29:22
  Speaker 20: of questions. Everyone was asking him about Brian Laundry, about
• 29:26
  Speaker 20: the potential suspect, and he kept saying that he could
• 29:28
  Speaker 20: reveal nothing about the success. But then he made a
• 29:31
  Speaker 20: statement that to me was stunning. He said, unfortunately, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 20: I'm quoting here, he said, this is only one of
• 29:39
  Speaker 20: many deaths around the country of people who are involved
• 29:42
  Speaker 20: and domestic violent. And when he said that, that just
• 29:46
  Speaker 20: struck me because he said he couldn't reveal anything about
• 29:49
  Speaker 20: the suspects. But then he made that statement to.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Doctor angel Arnold, psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta at
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: ANGELA Arnold.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: MD dot com. What do you think we have finally
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: learned the cause of death?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Not matter because she was strangled and I guarantee you
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: it was manual.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: When I say manual v ligature, I mean ligature is with.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: A pair of pantiose or stocking or a scar. Manual
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is with your hands.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, go ahead, dodger Nancy.
• 30:16
  Speaker 23: This is what I have been saying all along. True,
• 30:19
  Speaker 23: the domestic violence, the intimate partner violence that was going on.
• 30:24
  Speaker 23: He slapped her, that was the last thing we saw.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: We have it on.
• 30:28
  Speaker 23: They have him admitting to that strangulation. Strangulation happens over time, Okay,
• 30:38
  Speaker 23: the violence becomes more severe. This is what was going
• 30:42
  Speaker 23: on in this situation. My thought is, I don't know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 23: maybe they had another altercation in the van. Y think
• 30:49
  Speaker 23: you think they got out of the.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Band Warden and he female warden that said, hey, you
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: need to rethink whether you want to go forward this guy.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It's toxic. Do you remember that, Cheryl?
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: I remember, And that's one of the things that makes
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: me so hartful.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, now you've got complete strangers coming up to
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: her and saying, hey, little girl, this is bad. You
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: need to get out of this. And now she's dead
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: by manual strangulation.
• 31:13
  Speaker 13: There's two things that happened in that instant. That female
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: officer saying to her, your relationship being toxic, and during
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: that event, right there on the side of the road,
• 31:23
  Speaker 13: her calling her parents.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Let's look back at that Moab August twelfth incident as
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: it's been being called.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: When finally she revealed that Ryan Laundry grabbed her by
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the face and I can just see.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: That hand going down to her neck. I mean, can
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: anybody but me visualize this happening to her. I mean,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: she's basically told us what happened.
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: And you know what Laundry said. Nancy Laundry said that
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: she lost her balance but was able to scratch his face,
• 31:56
  Speaker 13: just what we were talking about before.
• 31:58
  Speaker 23: So both of them some sent to give.
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: Us some of the clues that we're looking for now.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: There was a legal challenge when the Potito family's wrongful
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: death case against Moa Police was thrown out of court,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: but the Potito family would not give up and they
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: appealed that decision. Now their case is headed to the
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Utah Supreme Court. Legalities aside. I will never forget Gabby Potito.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Her parents are amazing people. I spent time with them
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: recently and I was overwhelmed and how they are working
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: to change the world for the better. In a fifty
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: million dollar lawsuit against the mo IPD, noting that before
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: she died, a police were called to a domestic violence
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: complaint involving the pair, Gabby's family insists responding officers did
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: not take the complaint seriously. The MOA Police insists that
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Gabby Petito this waif weighs about one hundred and five
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: pounds versus Brian laundry approaching two hundred pounds, she was
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the aggressor.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Did they miss every classic symptom.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Of battering, That she was abused, The denial, the hysterical crying,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the desire not to be separated, the taking the blame herself,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: explaining away her own injuries, ignoring the nine one one
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: call that had just happened. For a witness outside, I
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: believe the Moonflower co Op cafe saw Brian Laundry hitting
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: her in the face on the street and.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Ron daylight, and still even with.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: That knowledge, called her the aggressor. Okay, you know what
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen to is very
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: very disturbing to me. It's our cup four twenty eight.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: It's Nate Carlile at Fox thirteen.
• 34:21
  Speaker 24: Here on what's labeled page two, the captain takes a
• 34:23
  Speaker 24: moment to ponder, would Gaby be alive today if this
• 34:27
  Speaker 24: case was handled differently? That is an impossible question to answer.
• 34:31
  Speaker 24: For his part, Pratt told the captain, who worried taking
• 34:34
  Speaker 24: Potito to jail would in Bold and Laundry. So if
• 34:37
  Speaker 24: he's going to go bail her out, is he not
• 34:40
  Speaker 24: going to have more control over her?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 34:42
  Speaker 24: Pratt's quoted as saying, no, I've said it would adopt
• 34:45
  Speaker 24: the recommendations to improve training and add a domestic violence
• 34:48
  Speaker 24: specialist to oversee incidents investigated by its officers.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: So they're still sticking with They're going down with the ship.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: They were fee used to admit they screwed up they had,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: they did nothing, and they let them go and now
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: she's dead.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Jump in dew.
• 35:08
  Speaker 22: When I used to teach domestic violence at police academies
• 35:11
  Speaker 22: in Florida, one of the things that's mandated, certainly in
• 35:14
  Speaker 22: Florida and is now mandated everywhere is to arrest one
• 35:19
  Speaker 22: of the parties. And there's even legislation that prohibits individuals
• 35:24
  Speaker 22: from suing the police if they arrest the wrong person.
• 35:27
  Speaker 22: So back at that time that this happened, they should
• 35:30
  Speaker 22: have arrested either one or both of these individuals and
• 35:34
  Speaker 22: that would have resolved the problem at least for the moment.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the Moai police and the investigation by
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the neighboring county.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I believe it was Price County.
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it was Price delicicing to the investigation. The Mohai
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: Police department is very small, and then the chief takeaways
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: from the investigation into their handling of the traffic stop
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: or the domestic violence stop was that these officers involved
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: need more training and they should go back on pro
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: And you know, if a's small department, they're probably not
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: trained as a lot of the big city departments were
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: used to dealing with. So they're saying hindsight is twenty twenty,
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: we had no idea that Brian was a killer. And
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: that's the point that they're sticking to.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I agree with that. I agree with them on that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: But in this day and age, I mean, women are
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: beaten all across the world. It doesn't matter if you're
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: in a small town or a big city like New
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: York City. It doesn't matter if you dropped out of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: school in the sixth grader, if you've got your PHID.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you make two hundred thousand dollars
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: a year or you make thirty thousand dollars a year,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: or if you have one child, no children, or six children.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Women are abused, beaten, senseless across the board.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: None of that socio economic distinctions, none of them matter period.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: That has been proven statistically. So the fact that Moapple
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: it's a small jurisdiction, does that mean the women there
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: aren't getting beaten behind closed doors?
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: No, it does not.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And right there on the main street, Michael Luise, we
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: have a witness calling nine one one that Gabby is
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: getting beaten basically on main street in broad daylight. What
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: they couldn't check that out? And figure out this is Gabby.
• 37:24
  Speaker 22: Oh.
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: I spoke with quite a few experts on the legal side,
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: in the law enforcement side, and you know, they found
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: the report a little bit lacking. They thought the findings
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: might not have been as as severe as they could be.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, let let us talk about what you just said,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Michael Ruise. Okay, okay, let me get to my notes.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I never saw any photos that they took of Gabby's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: injury to her face. They mentioned it in their body cam,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: but I didn't see any video, did you.
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: So they talked about them. Yeah, you're right, they talk
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: about him in the body camp, but there's no documentation
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: of them.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: So they take pictures of Brian Laundry and his injury
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: but not Gabby is yes, no, right, Okay. Did they
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: contact the nine one one caller who reported the Brian
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Laundry attack on Gabby?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Did they call him? Michael Ruiz?
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: So we found out from this report they went, they
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: circled back with one witness, but that witness was not
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: the nine one one caller.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So that would be a no. They did not contact
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the nine one one.
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: Caller, not the one who said he saw the I
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: think the quote with I saw the gentleman slapping the lady,
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: is what the nine one one caller said.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Did they mention Gabby's injuries in their written report?
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: The best of my memory, I didn't see anything about it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I heard is no, they did not.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Did they understand state law requirements for a claim of
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: domestic assault?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Michael Ruiz would.
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: I would think so, because Officer Pratt even said so
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: in his own body cam He said, you know, the
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: reason this law is on the books that we have
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: to arrest one is because down the line, someone's going
• 39:05
  Speaker 12: to get killed.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: The domestic violence domestic assault law in that jurisdiction, it
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: seems like they had skimmed.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: It but didn't really know what they were doing.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: In fact, in the final findings, they stay the officers
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: misunderstood state law requirements for domestic assault. Did they ever
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: consider or write in their report that Brian Laundry could
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: be considered the potential suspect or was it always.
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: Gabby in the initial police report it was Gabby? In
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: the review from Price, the captain who wrote that report
• 39:47
  Speaker 12: said that there was evidence that Gabby was a long
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: term victim of domestic abuse.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: So in the officer's initial report, at the moment they
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: could have stopped Brian Laundry and maybe prevented Gabby's murder.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: They never consider Brian Laundry as a potential suspect.
• 40:04
  Speaker 22: Is that correct?
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: From the initial reports?
• 40:06
  Speaker 22: That's how it seems.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Did they ever connect either of them with mental health
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: caregivers such as even a volunteer like me at the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Battered Women's Center it's a toll free number. I manned
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the hotline for nine years. Did they ever do that?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Michael Ruis?
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  Speaker 12: They did. They did bring Brian to a hotel through
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  Speaker 12: a charity for domestic victims, that they checked them into
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  Speaker 12: the hotel through that charity. But in the report from Price,
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  Speaker 12: we see that they didn't connect them with professionals. They
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  Speaker 12: didn't give them documentations.
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  Speaker 1: So the answer would be no, would it not? I
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  Speaker 1: guess not?
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  Speaker 2: Dodger Bethany Marshall, What are the classic symptoms of a
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  Speaker 2: domestic violence victim?
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  Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I know that there are
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  Speaker 1: some men that are battered and abused, but they are
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  Speaker 1: about one and a half percent the entire partner battering universe.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just get real. Women are the victims. What
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  Speaker 2: are the symptoms that Gabby Patito displayed doctor Bethany.
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  Speaker 10: Well, everything she displayed, I mean, protecting the abuser, minimizing
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  Speaker 10: the harm done for her self, blame not tailor telling
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  Speaker 10: a cohesive history about what had been done to her.
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  Speaker 10: The fact is that she owns her part in the
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  Speaker 10: in the things in the conflict. She says she's punched
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  Speaker 10: them in the arm, but she minimizes that she punched
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  Speaker 10: him in the arm because she was so frustrated and
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  Speaker 10: he was driving erratically.
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  Speaker 2: He was taking her van and her cell phone.
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  Speaker 10: Exactly, and that you you put it more beautifully that
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  Speaker 10: I was trying to collect my thoughts on I know
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  Speaker 10: he had taken the van. I know he had taken
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  Speaker 10: the cell phone. Well, that was That would be the
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  Speaker 10: final sign, Nile.
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  Speaker 2: That she as a domestic violence victim. Her injuries, the
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  Speaker 2: fact that she tried to minimize, as you said, doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 2: the damage to her.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it goes on and on and on.
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  Speaker 2: The classic signs that she is a domestic violence and victim.
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  Speaker 2: Saying would it have stopped Gabby's murder is like reading
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  Speaker 2: the teelus.
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  Speaker 1: But I know this, that would have been a much
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  Speaker 1: better chance that.
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  Speaker 2: She survived if she had gotten batter women's counseling, even
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  Speaker 2: over the phone with a volunteer at the shelter, even
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  Speaker 2: that could have saved her life. But the officers to
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  Speaker 2: make themselves feel better, I guess, keep saying, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we don't think it would have made a difference. Really, Well,
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  Speaker 2: you'll never know because you screwed it up. Take a
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  Speaker 2: listen to our cup four two seven eight Carlile Fox thirteen.
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  Speaker 21: If I had any discretion of this, I would separate
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  Speaker 21: you guys from the day and just give you warnings
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  Speaker 21: we stopped at each other.
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  Speaker 22: Well, I lawfully don't.
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  Speaker 20: Have discretion here.
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  Speaker 24: You veteran moeb police officer Eric Pratt and the new
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  Speaker 24: officer he was trained by Daniel Robbins dead let Gabby
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  Speaker 24: Battito and Brian Laundry go. The report maya Price, Utah
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  Speaker 24: police captain says that by law, Patito should have been
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  Speaker 24: cited or arrested once officers determined she was the aggressor.
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  Speaker 24: The captain sustained or confirmed multiple complaints where Prad and
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  Speaker 24: Robbins failed to follow the law and moabs own policies,
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  Speaker 24: including failing to obtain witness statements and properly documenting the
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  Speaker 24: roadside investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So give me your finals.
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  Speaker 22: Go ahead, Dell, there's a fifty percent reduction in homicides
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  Speaker 22: in domestic violence stations if one of the parties is arrested.
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  Speaker 22: That's the statistic that led to all this legislation.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany and I.
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  Speaker 10: Would say, if one of the classic signs of abuse
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  Speaker 10: is leaving the woman alone in a deserted place without resources,
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  Speaker 10: then all three men abused her.
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  Speaker 2: In the last hours, a judge has ruled in the
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  Speaker 2: favor of MOAP Police Department. Listen, I'm from LA law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: I believe in law enforcement. I support law enforcement. However,
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  Speaker 2: what happened that day was wrong. Gabby's case will never
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  Speaker 2: be forgotten. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off,
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  Speaker 2: goodbye friend.