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Hail Rocky: Project Hail Mary Review & Artemis II Moon Launch · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  Welcome to Multiple Nerdgasm, a comedy show about all things
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  nerdy. All right, we are here, Luke and
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  Matt for episode 644 of the Multiple Nerdgasm podcast.
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  And I believe witnesses listeners are waiting for your
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  review of Project Kale Mary. I'll now pass the floor to Matt.
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  Very formal introduction today. Thank you.
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  I don't know why it's so formal. She felt like a change.
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  Yeah, he's Luke. I'm Matt, and I did watch
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  Project Hail Mary this week. One word review.
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  Amaze. I told you you'd love it.
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  Yeah, I loved it. I fucking loved it.
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  It's it's one of my favorite books of the last, I don't know,
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  decade. Whatever.
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  Fucking great book, great movie. One of my favorite movies for
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  the last decade probably. It's just just great.
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  It's a it's a well, it's such a serious sort of tone, serious
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  movie. It's also funny like it.
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  Yes, both. That's done well.
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  That's what I liked about the book, and they really captured
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  it. Is that.
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  Yeah, like I get. Are we going to do some slight
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  spoilers, I guess? I think we can do some slight
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  spoilers now because remember the rule is for movies you get 2
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  weeks. How?
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  Long has it been out It's. Been out like 3-4 weeks.
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  All right, I'll try and. Remember, no, no, no.
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  In this movie, this episode, you can skip ahead if you want to.
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  Television shows, you get a week.
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  Yeah, television shows you get a week.
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  Movies, you get 2 weeks. That's my rule.
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  Because if you really wanted to hide from spoilers, you've got
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  time in that period. If you really wanted to see it
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  before, I'll try to. Remember what chapter mark is in
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  this episode, so you can skip this if you haven't seen it.
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  But you I mean, yeah. And you should go see it.
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  And also you should go see it without spoilers because so I
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  thought I felt when so stunning now because I'm going to mention
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  something that I think is technically a spoiler because
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  it's in the trailer. And I was weirded out that they
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  put Rocky in the trailers because to me, having read the
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  book, I read the book when it came out in like 2021.
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  I pre-ordered it because I loved these other two books and I was
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  expecting more of the same kind of thing.
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  And as I'm reading the book, I'm like, OK, there's a guy in a
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  spaceship, you know, he's going to save the sun or whatever and
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  and all of a sudden there's a fucking alien.
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  And I was like, like, what the fuck?
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  Like I just did not expect it. And it was such a pleasant
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  surprise, I. Could see why they did that for
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  for the trailer for the movie to give a better idea of what
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  they're expecting cause. But Jenna saw it last night, and
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  she did not know anything about it.
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  Yeah. And I said to her, did you know
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  Rocky's in all the trailers? She didn't watch any of the
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  trailers. And she was like, really?
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  That's weird. Like because she enjoyed too,
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  not knowing that that was going to happen.
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  I think it was good to have because as you said, it's very
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  different to these other books, like it's a bit more here in
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  this one. And I think for advertising
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  perspective, you really want to have like this is a bit more
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  fun. You want people to understand
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  there's a Yeah, it's this is different.
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  Yeah, this is. There's an alien in this.
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  Yeah. So it's it's not The Martian.
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  It's it is a very different type of movie that you're going to be
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  seeing this time, which I think is fair.
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  And I think it probably pulled in more of an audience because
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  of that. Yeah, well, it's like a a kind
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  of a buddy movie. Yeah.
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  So the the main I know one of the things people wanted to know
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  is what's the difference between the movie and the book.
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  And honestly, it's very like true to the book.
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  It just kind of lifts stuff out that was not as the the movie is
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  about him and Rocky. That's the the important part of
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  the book and the movie. But the book has time to do all
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  this sciencey stuff that I thought was very cool and
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  interesting. But I can completely understand
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  why it's something because the movie's three hours long.
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  Yeah, so. And if you were to go more into
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  that science stuff, that turns into a four hour movie like.
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  Stuff about like how the astrophage breed and how you
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  know it takes him longer to figure things out.
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  In the movie, he figures things out pretty quick.
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  Yeah, which is fine because. I did sort of gloss over the
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  astrophage a little bit and just went it's just 80 stars, don't
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  worry about it. There's but I mean, there's a
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  lot to that and that's one of my favorite things about it is that
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  if you read the book, it's very I've seen some, there's some
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  YouTube videos and articles and stuff saying you get some stuff
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  wrong. And it's like, well, he wrote
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  this presumably over the last I know when it came out 2021, the
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  book, he wrote it over a few years before that, right.
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  And he's not a astrophysicist, he's an IT guy turned author.
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  He's not Arthur C Clarke. Don't expect to have.
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  Yeah, he just did all his researches and like, and, and
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  honestly, he it's pretty fucking close.
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  And when you read the book, everything has an explanation
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  like whether it's quite true or not.
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  Like he's got everything covered.
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  It just. And it feels so like believable.
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  Yeah. So like all the stuff about the
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  Astrophage and the the Petrova line and like because I thought
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  they skimmed over certain things that I was like, I wonder if
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  people fully comprehended that. But I guess you was there
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  anything in there that you didn't quite?
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  No, I understand. Yeah, I did a good.
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  Job like it. I think you did, yeah.
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  For the short amount of time that you really want to get into
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  in depth side of that, I think they did a great job Ball.
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  Yeah, I agree. Resting your story as well.
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  The only thing I was like at one point he's they've got the
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  breeding tanks for the astrophage.
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  Yeah, towards the end, that's how they they breed it to be
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  nitrogen resistant, Yes. But then I was like, did they
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  discuss making those at any point?
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  I don't think they did in the movie, but it doesn't matter.
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  I think they sort of just, it was a mention like that I think.
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  He says, oh, the that's exactly, yeah.
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  He says, oh, these are the breeding tanks Rocky made.
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  And I was like, yeah, oh, we didn't.
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  We didn't see any of that. And didn't didn't really go into
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  a lot of detail about how that like just went because he made
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  it the leak happened and that's why it's bad and.
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  Yeah, they made yeah. When they made nitrogen
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  resistant, they also made it. What is it?
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  Our goodnight. Argonaut.
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  It could escape the Argonite and yeah, and it fucked up the.
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  Fuel system and that was just a very quick, right.
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  But it's but they, like you said, it's, it's not unclear.
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  It's just like, oh, OK, and like.
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  The part of that story wasn't really that part.
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  It was like, yes, we need to fix that, but it was also the
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  emotional part. Of yes, because the most
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  important part of that is another expose for the end is
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  that he knows Rocky's going to be stranded now and that's
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  what's important. Yeah.
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  And that's clear. Yeah.
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  Yeah. And he didn't want Rocky to go
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  through what he'd already been through and just be left alone.
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  Yes, yeah. So my favorite bits, they do so
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  well, you know, they first meet and they like, you know, they
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  learn the language and like, oh, that goes on for a long time
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  too. And that's all very in depth
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  too, like how they swap words and like the learning language
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  and stuff like that. It's just, yeah, it's really,
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  the book's really good. I think they really did a good
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  way of sort of haven't read the book, haven't listened to the
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  book, but I think they did a good way of showing how Rocky
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  learnt to really communicate because Rocky did the heavy
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  lifting of that learning the language.
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  Yeah, true. Grace just made a computer that
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  translates the words he's saying.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, like rocky species
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  is. Rocky has a lot of in in the
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  movie. It's it's I felt like they make
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  Grace seem a bit more dumb. Like there's a lot of points
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  where Rocky figures stuff out on his own.
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  Yes, but. There's a bit where he says I'll
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  watch you sleep and he's like, no, I'm going to bed.
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  And then Rocky says, I watched the other Iridians sleep for a
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  long time and they didn't wake up.
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  And like, Grace stops. And I was just like, oh, you
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  nailed that. Yeah.
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  That's brutal. All right, you can watch me
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  sleep. Yeah, all.
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  Right. All right.
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  Got it. But that was a great movie, and
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  I think the biggest spoiler was not in the trailers at all.
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  No, I I know what you mean. The skip ahead if you don't want
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  to hear it, the fact that he didn't want to go.
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  Yeah, the fact that he was basically he was kidnapped and
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  forced to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And you and Rocky think he's a hero.
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  Yes. And then you learn it's way more
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  complicated than that because yeah, he said no.
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  And they kidnapped him, put him on the ship.
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  Because he was the only one that had the knowledge and to do it
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  at that stage because of other stuff that happened in movie.
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  But then you feel like, no, he is a hero at the end when he
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  makes the decision. But yeah, it's, it's well done
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  because you see the lead up to it and and then, you know, the
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  original, the original science guy dies and then they're like,
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  you're going to have to do it. And he's like, he's like, I
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  don't know. And you think he's like he's
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  he's. Building up to.
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  Building up to courage, everything.
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  And then he goes, I've decided I'm not going to go.
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  And then she's like. Come on here, grab him and
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  they're just he makes a run for it.
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  She just goes, he's running and they chase him down, inject him.
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  And he was meant to go with two other astronauts, but they died
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  in the induced coma, Which? Oh yeah, that's the other thing
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  that's not in it that I I liked from the book, but I don't
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  understand why it's not in there.
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  Is that when he wakes up at the start, like the very first thing
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  he wakes up and they do have this where the the robot is
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  asking him questions. Yep.
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  It's like, what's 2 + 2 kind of thing that goes on for longer?
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  And he's like, it won't let him out of the bed until he can
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  answer some basic questions and then it lets him out of the bed
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  but he's not let out of the room.
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  The Power Room. And then once he can answer more
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  questions about, you know, various science topics and
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  things like that, he has to basically prove he's able to
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  function in the next section of the ship before it will let him
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  into the next section of the ship.
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  And then it's like 8, not it's ages until he's allowed up in
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  the. Whereas in the movie it's
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  basically he just falls out of bed and gets out and just and
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  he's got full round. Free round of the ship, yeah,
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  Which I mean, yeah, because they just need to get to.
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  Rocky But in saying that, I think it's a bit unfair for him
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  to go through that training because I don't I don't think he
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  went through the training with the robot about how he's going
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  to wake up. Yeah, that's true.
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  That would have happened. Yeah, that's true, because he
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  didn't know he was going to be doing that.
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  Yeah, so that would have been a complete shock and very
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  unnerving for waking up. And there's just.
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  A Well, training wise he couldn't remember anything
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  anyway, that was the point. Because that's the other thing
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  that's clear in the book too. And I guess it's clear.
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  I don't know if this is completely clear in the movie is
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  that he's remembering that stuff, which is why you're
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  seeing it when you see it. And in the book it's it's, it's
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  good because what he's remembering is relevant to
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  what's happening and he's kind of figuring things out as he
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  goes along. And so like when he, when you
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  learn in the book that he didn't want to go, he remembers that.
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  And up until that point, he doesn't he he's not realizing
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  that he didn't want to be there anything so.
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  But no, definitely go see it, great movie.
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  Loved it. I own the book Unaudible.
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  Yeah, see the the Audible version, I think I'm pretty sure
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  I have both. I mostly listen to Audible
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  because it's got like someone doing the Rocky voice and that
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  and it's just a really good, it's a good order, like a good
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  listen because it's yeah. And it's got the sound effects
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  like because you know when before he can understand Rocky,
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  Rocky just kind of chirps. It's.
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  Got that. It's like, yeah, it's a really
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  good audio book for that reason. I might do it.
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  You should. The author, Andy Weir, who I
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  think might be a genius. It's just so clever.
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  Oh, they want to adapt his other book too now, apparently, which
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  I was surprised he didn't. So The Martian was very
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  successful. And if you don't know this, he
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  was he was working in ITI believe and wanted to be an
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  author. He just had this idea for a
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  story about a guy on Mars and wrote this.
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  I don't know if you've seen The Martian, that's one thing.
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  But if you read the book, it's similar to this.
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  It's very like everything is very like, whether legitimate or
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  not, science based like, it's all very like.
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  And I think that he got some people calling out, like some
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  because of information that came out after the movie and stuff
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  like, yeah, he didn't have that information available.
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  How is he meant to include that? Yeah, yes, but everything that
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  happens is is based in to his knowledge and to research what
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  he could understand was is actually feasible.
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  And it's the same project, Tell Mary and his other book,
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  Artemis. And so, but he wrote The Martian
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  and nobody would publish it. All the publishers are like, no
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  one's going to be interested in this.
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  It's like too hard sci-fi. It's too like, yeah, it's too
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  boring kind of, which is weird because it's not.
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  And he self published it. He published, I think he
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  published chapters of it like on Reddit or something.
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  And people were like, this is sick.
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  And so he self published it on Amazon and I at the time I
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  believe it became the most successful self published title
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  ever. He went on to do the movie and
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  all that kind of stuff, and he doesn't have to split the money
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  with anybody. Because.
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  Because it's like that. Himself, like that whole thing
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  about Twins when they wanted to make Twins and all the studios
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  were like, that's fucking stupid.
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  No one's going to watch that. So Arnold Schwarzenegger, fine,
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  we'll pay for it. And then now they get, they
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  said, they've said that's the most money they get is from that
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  because they don't have to pay anyone.
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  Yep, so. You want to be successful.
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  He's got another book called Artemis, which is about.
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  It's set in the. Moon.
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  Is it about Artemis? It's in on a Moon, the moon in
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  the future and and some stuff happens.
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  Bad girl. And I believe, I believe it's
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  supposed to be like a terrorist. It's been a long time since I
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  read that one, but I remember enjoying it very much.
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  And they're now talking about making a movie of that too.
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  And apparently he wants Jenna Ortega to be the main character,
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  which makes sense because she's in everything now, Yes.
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  Well, actually, I think she's slowed down a bit.
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  Yeah, you're right. There was a period there where
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  it was just like. Yeah, she was everything.
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  And now I forget the last thing she was actually in.
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  Like, it's been a couple of years since I remember anything.
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  Like Wednesday was really the last one of the screams.
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  Oh, that's right. Yeah, she didn't do the newest
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  scream. Yeah.
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  So yeah, she sort of, she was in everything and now she's not so.
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  I mean, I'm fine for her being everything.
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  She's yeah, she's good. Yeah, but yeah, she did sort of
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  just die off a little bit. Yeah.
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  Well, no, it's actually true and I just haven't seen anything or.
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  Apparently he wants her to be. Yeah, it's not decided that she
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  will be or anything. It'll come down to Amazon but
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  and but she's friends with Netflix.
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  That's true, yeah. But does Andy Weir owe Amazon
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  anything? Maybe after this?
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  I think he might now. He might now.
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  Well, he's in trouble this week. Andy Weir.
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  Because. He interestingly went on the
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  Critical Drinker podcast. Do you remember the Critical
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  Drinker? Yeah.
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  We've we've met their fans before.
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  Yeah, his fans before. So Critical Drinker is
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  controversial to a degree in that he is seemingly very right
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  wing and he's very anti woke. He did a lot of stuff about Star
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  Wars and Marvel and you know, all the going work go broke
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  business. He's just he's been very
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  critical of modern Hollywood in that regard.
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  And yeah, when we did an episode about we're talking about
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  Acolyte, Star Wars Acolyte, yes. And I said I liked it and that I
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  thought his video was stupid and people didn't like that.
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  So we got. Well, the thing that I still go
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  back to that annoys me about Acolyte was the fact that people
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  were complaining about lesbians in it and and it was sort of
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  like, no, it's a carbon of witches.
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  Yeah, yeah. So yes, that's that's what we
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  have in the modern day for hundreds of years.
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  That's not unusual. That's not going woke.
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  That's a thing, and that's already been in the books for.
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  Years, but the thing, the thing that bothered me and I remember
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  this because I, I, I had seen these videos and they just like,
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  oh, this happens and it's stupid.
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  This happens and it's stupid. It was like these guys were
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  going through these bullet lists of dumb things in a show.
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  When I watched the show, I was like, oh, you just misunderstood
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  what's happening. Like like for example, the fire
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  in space, everyone's complaining about the fire in space.
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  It's a gas leak. It would catch fire.
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  Like like they were looking for things to find wrong instead of
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  watching and then finding things wrong.
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  Yes, yeah. But anyway, so Andy, we went on
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  Critical Drinkers podcast and he said basically that new Star
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  Wars apart from it's not Star Wars, new Star Trek apart from
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  Strange New World. OK?
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  Let me just read what he said. OK, I'll give you my opinion and
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  I'm just a consumer. I like Strange New Worlds, I
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  think it's pretty good. I didn't hate Enterprise, I
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  thought it was kind of weird. Lower Decks I thought was
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  entertaining and fun. All the others they can go.
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  And here's another thing, I pitched to Star Wars show to
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  Paramount and I was on Zoom with the showrunners with all the
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  shows and spent a lot of time talking to Alex Kurtzman.
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  I don't like a lot of the new Trek.
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  He's really nice, but at the same time, these shows are shit.
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  He's a nice guy, but they didn't accept my pitch, so, you know,
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  fuck him. Whoa, see, Is he talking about
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  enterprise as in the enterprise from decades ago?
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  I think so. Because I, I didn't hate that
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  either. That did take a little while to
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  get into, but that's not new. That's.
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  And is he talking about Voyager? A new show called Enterprise,
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  right? Not that I know of.
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  And is he talking about Voyager and the next Gen. and all that
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  or is it just I guess I'm confused by?
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  I didn't hate Enterprise. Well, I know Enterprise was
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  controversial. Controversial.
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  People didn't like Enterprise because didn't it turn out to be
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  all fake at the end? Or was a holodeck simulation at
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  the end or? Something No, that was the yeah,
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  the final episode. They killed off one of the
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  favourites favorite characters, you know, and it was a holodeck
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  episode. It was a flashback.
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  It was like had next Gen. What's, what's his name, second
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  in command? Riker.
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  Riker. So I had him and him, his wife,
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  basically go, go and learn from this experience and go and see
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  what happened during the last days of this and how so
• 19:07
  flashbacks to what happened. And they killed off Triple was a
• 19:10
  great character. And like really, I think a lot
• 19:13
  of people were upset by that. And it wasn't really an end to
• 19:15
  that episode. It was an end.
• 19:17
  It was, but they are talking about reviving that.
• 19:21
  OK. There's talk about bringing that
• 19:23
  back and actually bringing back the guy who played the captain.
• 19:30
  Oh, MacGyver. Quantum leap guy.
• 19:32
  Not, not. Yeah, it's got bacula.
• 19:35
  It's got bacula. There's talk talk about him
• 19:36
  coming back because he actually in the episode he goes off
• 19:39
  become the president of the the Space Federation, the first
• 19:44
  stuff, first president of space Federation.
• 19:47
  And there's I think there's talk of going back to that or there
• 19:50
  was talk of that a while ago. But yet people were upset at the
• 19:53
  time for the ending of that show because they grew like all these
• 19:56
  characters and then didn't get to see them really tie anything
• 20:00
  up. And then they showed off a great
• 20:01
  character for just right to learn something even though the
• 20:06
  next Gen. was over. Maybe that's what he's referring
• 20:08
  to then, that he he wasn't mad about that or something.
• 20:11
  Yeah, but it just seems like that's a that's going back a
• 20:15
  long ways when you're talking about strength, new worlds and
• 20:18
  Lower decks like they are very forefront.
• 20:22
  So I don't know if. He was he another point, he was
• 20:24
  laughing about how stuff that Academy got cancelled because he
• 20:28
  I guess he didn't like that either.
• 20:29
  And it's I mean, he's intelligent to his opinion.
• 20:31
  I think people have just jumped on it because he was so
• 20:33
  flippant. But then he's so he issued an
• 20:35
  apology and he said actually wrote specifically to Alex
• 20:39
  Kurtzman and he said, Hey, I'm sorry.
• 20:41
  I thought I I was clear about the fact that I think I like you
• 20:44
  and I have no problem with you. I was just kind of joking around
• 20:48
  on a podcast, you know, I'm sorry that it became such a big
• 20:51
  deal, which which I get, like we say, hyperbolic.
• 20:55
  Go here. Stuff on here I'm I'm guessing
• 20:58
  that's what he was intending was just.
• 21:00
  Yeah. Because I'm I'm reading the
• 21:02
  words on the page here, I didn't actually watch how he said it.
• 21:06
  Like if it was casual and he was just talking shit.
• 21:09
  Like, yeah, like. Don't know that you can.
• 21:10
  You're having a casual chat and he's like, like, he's a really
• 21:13
  nice star. I've enjoyed it.
• 21:15
  But at the same time, you know, I don't like them.
• 21:18
  They're these ones. These ones aren't for me.
• 21:19
  Even though he's talking about the actual one of the newest
• 21:22
  ones saying I really like that one.
• 21:24
  Yeah, yeah. You like Strange New worlds,
• 21:26
  which, yeah, you would agree with.
• 21:27
  I'll tell you, you should watch Strange New Worlds.
• 21:29
  I will. Feels like it's given another go
• 21:31
  to the original generation. It still has an overarching
• 21:34
  story, but is very much yeah episode to episode again.
• 21:38
  I'll give it another go, but yeah.
• 21:40
  He's been that episode. I love it.
• 21:42
  I think she linked to the episode.
• 21:43
  I didn't notice that was a link. I might, I might watch this
• 21:46
  actually, just because I like. Interesting.
• 21:55
  I like it, yeah. But so I'm interested to see
• 22:00
  what how the full context for this.
• 22:01
  But anyway, here he's given an apology and he said, you know,
• 22:04
  if if Kurtzman has any concerns about it, hit him up.
• 22:08
  You know you've got my phone number.
• 22:09
  Let's. But has Kurtzman actually said
• 22:11
  there's a problem? He has a problem with No no no
• 22:12
  the Internet. It's the Internet.
• 22:14
  Yeah, yeah, it's the Internet. So, yeah.
• 22:19
  So that's the big news this week.
• 22:20
  And I was like, Oh no, Andy, don't get cancelled.
• 22:25
  No, I understand why stuff like Academy didn't do well.
• 22:31
  Have you watched? It I didn't watch it, but I
• 22:33
  understand why it didn't do well.
• 22:35
  It's for a different audience. OK.
• 22:38
  It was. It was for a young adult
• 22:40
  audience. OK, people who don't watch Star
• 22:42
  Trek. Yes, and it was a spinoff of
• 22:47
  Star Trek Discovery, which even to me, I like Star Discovery at
• 22:51
  the start and then it just went weird.
• 22:54
  Yeah, especially when they jumped 1000 years through future
• 22:57
  and walk where I start work and two.
• 23:00
  Seasons of it. And that second season, I was
• 23:01
  like, I don't know, man. Like yeah not the the last
• 23:05
  season when they get jumped 1000 years to the future and nothing
• 23:09
  works. Like warp drives don't work
• 23:10
  anymore. So basically rebuilding
• 23:12
  everything from scratch and it got weird.
• 23:15
  Yeah, OK. I mean, Star Trek getting weird
• 23:20
  is fine. But it got a bit too too weird.
• 23:24
  I found it hard to follow along. OK, all right.
• 23:29
  Might be like a. Spin off that came from it and
• 23:32
  I'm hoping there's another spin off that comes Oh.
• 23:35
  Yeah, because the guy from Vampire Diaries is Kirk now.
• 23:39
  Kirk and he, he's a great Kirk and I wouldn't mind him spinning
• 23:43
  off from tragedy worlds and him taking over the Enterprise and
• 23:47
  that's still continuing taking over from Pike.
• 23:52
  All right, oh, in space Thing news, we have a release date for
• 23:58
  Spaceballs 2. I still can't believe this is
• 24:01
  coming out. I'm so excited for this. 2027
• 24:04
  and there is a a I've seen Rick. Moranis is back.
• 24:07
  Yeah, man. I didn't know he was actually
• 24:10
  coming back. I saw a picture the other day
• 24:12
  and I was like I don't know if this is real or AI garbage
• 24:17
  space. Because I knew there was a time,
• 24:19
  because I know he quit acting to basically look after his
• 24:22
  children. Yes.
• 24:25
  And his wife died. His wife died.
• 24:26
  His wife died, I think, and so he quit acting to look after.
• 24:29
  Sure. And it was a shame because his
• 24:32
  wife died. I think that was what happened.
• 24:33
  But he was a great actor. Yeah.
• 24:35
  Like I loved him. Yeah, he's very funny.
• 24:37
  And then he died. But then he he what's going to
• 24:41
  make a comeback? And then someone punched him in
• 24:42
  the face in New York. Do you remember that story?
• 24:45
  Yeah. It's.
• 24:45
  Bullshit. Yeah, some guy.
• 24:46
  I don't think that person even knew who he was.
• 24:48
  No, it was just this guy who was high on drugs or something.
• 24:51
  He just punched the first guy he saw and but no, him being back
• 24:55
  in this, I'm all in. Yeah, it's great.
• 24:58
  I'm excited. Yeah, I think the photo I saw
• 25:00
  was AI because I can't find it anywhere when you search.
• 25:03
  It was just on an article the other day, but.
• 25:05
  Brooks being back as well and filming his scenes when he was
• 25:08
  99. Yeah, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm
• 25:11
  excited. I think whether it's whether
• 25:15
  it's funny or good or not, I think it's going to be fun.
• 25:19
  Like even if it's like the most painful fucking experience ever
• 25:22
  because they're all old and it's not unfunny now, I think it's
• 25:24
  going to be cool. Oh I still hate that the sequel
• 25:29
  might be called Space Force the new one.
• 25:31
  I think they should just go with the original Space Force.
• 25:34
  The search for more money. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:37
  Like just go back to what you're the original joke that you made
• 25:41
  all those years ago. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:45
  April 2027. So one year.
• 25:47
  Yeah, and I hope Mel Brooks is around to see it.
• 25:51
  Yeah. That's not a threat.
• 25:56
  Except he doesn't piss you off in the meantime.
• 25:59
  So around the same time we get just after we get Sonic 4.
• 26:03
  I still think to watch 2 and 3. Two's good, three's great.
• 26:07
  Yeah. Three's very good.
• 26:10
  The first one was great. I don't know why I haven't seen
• 26:12
  the others. It was.
• 26:13
  They were fun movies. Yeah, well, the first one was
• 26:16
  fun. The games are horrible now.
• 26:19
  I was actually playing Sonic Shadows Generations today and I
• 26:23
  just. We've got that too.
• 26:24
  I got. That I just, no, I can't play
• 26:27
  them anymore. Is it you or is it the game?
• 26:30
  Because to me, it's me. I was going to say to me it's
• 26:33
  just the same, but. It's the same and that's.
• 26:36
  Yeah, yeah. Sonic was always like, you move
• 26:40
  so fast and it's hard to like explore the world in a way, but
• 26:44
  that's the design of the game as you're supposed to.
• 26:46
  Get fast more it's more like that because like I see get it's
• 26:51
  like the hedgehog one or two my favorite games.
• 26:53
  I used to play them the death all the time, finished them
• 26:55
  multiple times over. Now with these ones, there's
• 26:59
  designed levels that you go and replay them and explore the
• 27:02
  entire levels because there's collectibles everywhere.
• 27:05
  And no, I just want to run to the end.
• 27:08
  No, there you unlock abilities. Yeah, it's it's a little bit
• 27:13
  Metroidvania Y. And that way is that you replay
• 27:16
  a level because there's a thing that you couldn't do before and
• 27:18
  you can do it so. Yeah, and I just.
• 27:21
  No, he just runs to the end and tries not to die and then fights
• 27:25
  the boss every third level. Well, Leah's enjoying.
• 27:29
  That's the Sonic I know. I.
• 27:31
  Mean Leah's not great at it, but she's enjoying it.
• 27:33
  She's learning, yeah. Doctor Robotnik.
• 27:37
  He's Doctor Robotnik in the movie, isn't he?
• 27:41
  Yes. Because I remember they tried to
• 27:43
  change him to egg man. He's Doctor Robotnik.
• 27:45
  Sonic calls him Egg Man because his drones look like eggs.
• 27:48
  Yep. But I remember, yeah, they did
• 27:52
  try that. He was egg.
• 27:52
  Man in Japan. Yeah, whereas we've always known
• 27:55
  him as Doctor Robotnik. Yeah, because I think when they
• 27:59
  brought Sonic to the to the West, they were like Egg, man.
• 28:02
  No one's going to know what the fuck that is.
• 28:06
  Especially because he's round. Yeah, I've got something here.
• 28:11
  This should actually be in follow up, I've realized now,
• 28:14
  but I've put it here under Movies.
• 28:17
  Well, update on Avatar for you Luke.
• 28:22
  I don't understand how they are letting him waste this money.
• 28:26
  Avatar four and five are full speed ahead, so.
• 28:32
  How are they giving him money still?
• 28:35
  Because I don't think 3 did make.
• 28:37
  Money. I mean, it made money.
• 28:39
  That's what matters, right? Did it make a lot though?
• 28:43
  I mean I. Feel like, yeah, I feel like it
• 28:46
  was, it was doing all right. Well, it's Avatar fire and I
• 28:53
  fire and ash. Box office came in at just shy
• 28:55
  of 1.5 billion. All right, so it's still doing
• 28:59
  fine. How much does it take to?
• 29:01
  Not as much. OK, the second film did 2.3 and
• 29:04
  the first did 2.9 billion. So when you look at it like
• 29:07
  that, it's like about half what the first film did, but it's
• 29:10
  still $1.5 billion, so. Yeah, it's, it's not getting the
• 29:14
  people aren't coming back to it anymore.
• 29:16
  Though, no, but I mean that's I feel like to be expected when
• 29:21
  you're doing a series like that, people will drop off.
• 29:24
  But so he's going to feel sounds like he's we've avatar four and
• 29:28
  five full split ahead. So he's going to fill him
• 29:29
  back-to-back or at the same time, maybe I.
• 29:33
  Don't know that we know that. I think it'd be wise to do that.
• 29:37
  Yes, I if I was him, I'd be. Yeah, get the money now.
• 29:41
  Get it? Done.
• 29:42
  Just get it done. If you want this fucking thing
• 29:44
  to happen, just do it. Because you've you've already
• 29:47
  dropped off a billion with the third one.
• 29:49
  If you drop off another billion with the 4th one, you're in
• 29:51
  trouble. Yeah, and they will, I'm sure.
• 29:55
  Like it's going to keep going down.
• 29:57
  People will drop off. They will.
• 29:59
  Well, the reason why the first one really made that money
• 30:02
  wasn't because of the as I've said before, it wasn't because
• 30:05
  we liked the movie. We, they people do.
• 30:08
  But yeah, it was a yeah, it was a new technology.
• 30:11
  It was an experience. Like I saw it in IMAX twice
• 30:15
  because the 3D and all that stuff was like new.
• 30:19
  Like I I went and saw it. And then I would tell people and
• 30:22
  I would take people to go, no, I'm going, I'll take you to go
• 30:25
  and see it and I'll go see it with you.
• 30:27
  Like it was, it was an excitement.
• 30:30
  And it was the first time 3D was done.
• 30:33
  Well, yeah. And then everything became 3D
• 30:36
  and it was horrible again. Yeah, but that there's a
• 30:39
  difference between filming it in 3D, which some movies still do.
• 30:43
  There's a difference between filming in 3D and then, you
• 30:47
  know, making it 3D later. Yeah, I, I think.
• 30:50
  And at the time it was everything had to have a 3D.
• 30:54
  Yeah, but they just took it a movie that just tried normally
• 30:57
  and then put it. People just made it 3D in a
• 30:59
  computer and it's not quite the same thing.
• 31:02
  Doesn't look the same. No.
• 31:06
  You'll be pleased to know you can watch more of it.
• 31:09
  I will go and see it when it's out and I'll let you know.
• 31:12
  I probably won't. I'll I'll say I'll watch it when
• 31:15
  it comes out and I won't because I've got two I've got to catch
• 31:17
  up on now and I'm. Yeah, you can.
• 31:19
  Honestly, you can skip the third one.
• 31:22
  All right, maybe I will. You can watch the second one.
• 31:26
  When the 4th 1 comes out, I'll give you 5 minutes to watch the
• 31:29
  third one and you're caught up. All right, new trailers, Masters
• 31:37
  of the Universe. Yeah, I'm still I'm.
• 31:40
  Still skeptical on. This I'm I don't know.
• 31:42
  I don't know. It does seem like a family movie
• 31:45
  though. And yeah, we don't really get
• 31:48
  family movies anymore. It does look like, yeah, like an
• 31:53
  80s style family movie, Yeah, which makes sense because, you
• 31:58
  know, But yeah, I don't know if it's for me.
• 32:02
  No, and I think your daughter's probably too young for it.
• 32:06
  I. Don't know if she'd be
• 32:06
  interested in it. Yeah, unless Shira makes an
• 32:10
  appearance, because that was the big thing.
• 32:12
  The boys had he man. The girls had Shira back in the
• 32:15
  80s. Doesn't seem to bother too much
• 32:17
  like Sykes. Sykes boy.
• 32:18
  Oh, I guess he's a hedgehog so doesn't count.
• 32:22
  She likes Sonic and Shadow. But if you heard the rumor that
• 32:25
  the reason what I think he man was cancelled was because of
• 32:29
  Shira. No.
• 32:32
  So the rumour is that he man was out there and he had all these
• 32:34
  young boys running around going I have the power and play
• 32:37
  finding everything. And then Shearer came along as
• 32:40
  his cousin had also had the power.
• 32:42
  So then all these boys had the little sisters also going I have
• 32:45
  the power and the boys went. Well, this isn't as fun.
• 32:48
  I don't want to play that anymore because I can't just
• 32:50
  beat up on my little sister anymore because.
• 32:52
  And that's sort of where it sort of tampered off, didn't her?
• 32:56
  Sword turn into a whip. She kind of had cool shit going
• 32:59
  on that he man didn't too. Shira Princess?
• 33:05
  Is she in the new? I've never watched the the.
• 33:09
  News man. No, neither have I.
• 33:12
  I've heard Kevin Smith did it right.
• 33:14
  Yes. Shira, Princess of power, I
• 33:17
  swear her sword turned into a whip.
• 33:23
  I it's been 30 years, I don't remember.
• 33:27
  But anyway, so the Mass Universe trailer looks fine, yeah.
• 33:34
  I just don't know. I'm not going to go to the
• 33:36
  movies and see it unless it comes out and everyone's like
• 33:39
  losing their shit of how good it is.
• 33:41
  Maybe I'll go just to see it, but.
• 33:43
  I'll probably go just because I'm bored.
• 33:45
  Sure. And.
• 33:47
  I'll let you know, but yeah, I'm not expecting it to be.
• 33:51
  Yeah. Oh my God, you have to see this.
• 33:53
  I think it's going to be a yeah. Well, and the other one that I
• 33:57
  was I, I expected to be more excited about this than I am is
• 34:02
  Supergirl. I watched the Supergirl trailer
• 34:04
  and I was like, OK, it just looks like.
• 34:07
  I haven't seen it yet. All right, to me it looks like a
• 34:12
  lot of other stuff that's just already been done.
• 34:15
  It looks like a smush together of Guardians of the Galaxy and
• 34:17
  some of the some of the other DC stuff like the.
• 34:20
  Flash yeah, with her at the end of Superman, it does look like
• 34:24
  she's just going to be like the fun one liners and completely
• 34:28
  and. Yes, to me it looks like it
• 34:31
  looks a lot like Guardians of the Galaxy in Yeah, feel like
• 34:35
  even like the some of the sets I was like, even though I know
• 34:37
  that they're not real because they're probably blue screen or
• 34:39
  green screen, but like I was like, that just looks like
• 34:42
  Guardians of the Galaxy to me. Which hopefully it's good
• 34:48
  because this is the second one in his new DCU universe, so and
• 34:53
  he. Didn't even direct it.
• 34:54
  So it's not like it's not like saying James Gunn just did the
• 34:56
  same thing. He didn't direct it.
• 34:58
  He. Didn't direct it, but he still
• 34:59
  has a lot of control. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:02
  But I don't know, just I watched this and I was like, OK, it
• 35:06
  doesn't look particularly interesting to me.
• 35:10
  Which it's a shame because that's, yeah, like her, the
• 35:13
  second big one that's meant to be leading off into the new
• 35:16
  world and. I'm I'm sure it's competent and
• 35:20
  fine, it just didn't excite me so.
• 35:23
  Well, she is a girl, so that's good.
• 35:27
  Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think she's either she's
• 35:32
  Australian or she lives in Sydney, Right.
• 35:34
  OK. What's her name?
• 35:37
  What is her name? I don't actually know her name
• 35:39
  her. Name is Millie Alcock.
• 35:43
  Let me check. Let me factory Alcock.
• 35:45
  I know she lives in Sydney because I saw a video where she
• 35:49
  was doing a tour of her mum's house.
• 35:51
  Yeah, she's Australian. OK.
• 35:53
  Yeah, OK. And I thought, I want.
• 35:55
  That's strange that she's giving a tour of her mum's house.
• 35:58
  Was she not as famous when she did that video?
• 36:00
  Because I feel like you wouldn't do that when you're about to be
• 36:03
  Supergirl. Well, it seems like she's done
• 36:05
  like a few little things, and then her big thing was in the
• 36:09
  House of Dragons, so. The dragon.
• 36:11
  Sorry. The House of the Dragon sort of
• 36:12
  fall up to Game of Thrones seems to be her big breakout.
• 36:18
  What else? Did she do?
• 36:22
  She did, reckoning the school. Wait, I watched that familias.
• 36:29
  Huh. Is she in that?
• 36:32
  I know she's been in a fair bit. She sure wasn't.
• 36:34
  But no, it's all like late late 2000s.
• 36:37
  Yeah, there you go. I guess I've seen your other
• 36:40
  stuff. Didn't even realise.
• 36:42
  That's cool. Anyway, I'm sure it's fine.
• 36:46
  Yeah, I'm sure James Gunn knows what he's doing.
• 36:50
  Yeah, still just love how he got the job.
• 36:55
  Got fired and then got rehired and had two jobs.
• 36:58
  Yep. Yeah, love that.
• 37:00
  Like got fired and just got paid millions of dollars because of
• 37:02
  it and then got hired back and paid millions more.
• 37:05
  Yeah, what a life it's. But honestly, the best case
• 37:08
  scenario for yeah, for something like that.
• 37:12
  Well, what a horrible knee jerk reaction at the time.
• 37:15
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like on the one hand, I can sort
• 37:19
  of understand why they did it, but then they didn't need to
• 37:22
  jump in so quickly. No, because obviously it turned
• 37:25
  around you. Sometimes you shouldn't give
• 37:27
  into the Internet as quickly. Yes, because the Internet write.
• 37:30
  Down and see what happens. Yeah, the Internet, well, has a
• 37:33
  long memory. It also has a short memory at
• 37:35
  the same time, yeah. Yeah, who was recently?
• 37:40
  Something happened recently and I was like, whoever it was was
• 37:45
  just keeping quiet about it. Yeah.
• 37:48
  Oh, oh, the Alan Richardson thing.
• 37:51
  He just didn't say anything for a long time until and then, I
• 37:54
  mean, he, it's a little different because it's not like
• 37:56
  a he wasn't going to, he wasn't making inappropriate jokes or
• 38:00
  anything like that. He was punching somebody.
• 38:03
  But but he had, he had, he had the receipts to show.
• 38:07
  Yep, man, he wasn't kept quiet about it, didn't go on the fancy
• 38:11
  for defensive, just kept his mouth shut and then went, oh,
• 38:13
  I'm going to just release this now.
• 38:15
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a smart move
• 38:18
  if you've got the footage, yes, prove that you didn't do it.
• 38:21
  Yeah, you need those receipts to back yourself up.
• 38:23
  And yeah, that guy was an idiot. I don't know what he.
• 38:25
  I think honestly think he was just trying to get gold money.
• 38:27
  I. Think was a scam?
• 38:28
  Yeah, yeah, a scam. Because like he walked out in
• 38:31
  front of him twice, he was on the bike and we think it's to
• 38:35
  get. Clear from the actual GoPro
• 38:37
  footage, He wanted Alan Richardson to punch him.
• 38:41
  Yeah. On camera so that he could
• 38:42
  extort him. That's what I think, yeah,
• 38:44
  that's. What I think Dak fired big time.
• 38:47
  Yes, because he got punched and he got no money.
• 38:50
  Yeah. And there's no way to police are
• 38:54
  going to go after Alan because Alan did nothing wrong for what
• 38:58
  I can see, like he. No, I mean, you know, he didn't
• 39:00
  need to punch him, but the guy was punching him.
• 39:02
  So what are you? You know, whatever this article.
• 39:07
  Got a lot worse. Yes, this article made me laugh.
• 39:11
  This is just a quick thing apparently.
• 39:15
  The the new Fast and Furious, the last one apparently.
• 39:18
  It's going to be like the last one ever apparently.
• 39:21
  I I called bullshit. Yeah, we'll see.
• 39:25
  Vin Diesel announced it recently at an event and last June at
• 39:32
  Fuel Fest in Tampa. No, wait, this is.
• 39:35
  Sorry, this is the story was told at Fuel Fest in Tampa this
• 39:40
  week. When the fuck did Vin announce
• 39:41
  this last June, anyway? Yeah, they were doing some event
• 39:47
  and Universal had not agreed to do this movie.
• 39:52
  Yeah, it was all still like still just conceptual.
• 39:56
  And they were did this big event last year.
• 39:58
  And then, apparently, Vin Diesel said to Paul Walker's brother
• 40:01
  backstage. I'm going to announce the new
• 40:04
  movie. And he was like, I thought that
• 40:05
  wasn't approved yet. He goes, well, it will be once I
• 40:07
  announce it. So he went out on stage and he
• 40:11
  said, I want to announce that we're doing another Fast and
• 40:13
  Furious movie. The crowd went crazy.
• 40:14
  Everyone went nuts. And then the studio was like,
• 40:17
  well, I guess we're doing it. Now, well, that has backfired
• 40:20
  before. I know.
• 40:22
  Star Trek 4, when they announced, hey, we're making the
• 40:25
  new Star Trek and everyone's coming back and no one had
• 40:28
  signed up for it. There was no script, no,
• 40:30
  nothing, hadn't been greedily and they just went, yeah,
• 40:32
  everyone's going back and we're making it.
• 40:33
  And then that went nowhere. Yeah, well, that was the studio,
• 40:36
  though. This is just one of the actors
• 40:39
  being like, I know what'll force their hand.
• 40:41
  Yeah, almost. And I.
• 40:43
  But also. It's a power move.
• 40:45
  That's also what Nathan Fillion's doing at the moment.
• 40:48
  That's true. Yeah, maybe he's a Vin Diesel
• 40:50
  fan. Yep, you saw what Vin Diesel did
• 40:52
  and I think he may have done it better.
• 40:54
  Nathan Fillion may have done it a bit better, though.
• 40:56
  Yeah, I mean people in the comments are saying it's not
• 41:01
  wasn't a huge risk. No.
• 41:03
  Because they probably work in a green light the movie, but it
• 41:08
  still it isn't, it's just. AI also don't think it's going
• 41:11
  to be their last one. Those movies still just print
• 41:13
  money for them, don't they? I think so, yeah.
• 41:17
  God, they got increasingly ridiculous.
• 41:19
  I, I, I liked them up to a point and then now I'm like, no.
• 41:26
  Didn't it start off as like a cop going undercover to break up
• 41:30
  a like a underground drag racing thing?
• 41:33
  Uh. No, in underground drag racing
• 41:35
  it was they were stealing. Umm.
• 41:38
  TV's and VCRS from trucks. All the trucks are moving.
• 41:41
  That's what happened at the start of the movie.
• 41:44
  And now, haven't they been to space at some point or if I've
• 41:48
  mentioned that? No, I think you might be right.
• 41:51
  The the one the last one I watched it was so stupid but I
• 41:54
  really enjoyed it was the James Wan directed?
• 41:56
  It was the one where maybe it's like 7 where they'd like jump a
• 42:00
  car from one skyscraper to another.
• 42:02
  Oh yes. And it's like, fucking hell.
• 42:06
  And the one where that's the one with Michelle, we're doing his
• 42:08
  fights for Ronda Rousey, which is just very funny to me.
• 42:12
  Yeah, silly movies. Yeah, well, we'll, you'll get to
• 42:17
  watch it. It's fast, forever.
• 42:18
  It's officially coming March 2028.
• 42:22
  Oh yeah, and that was the one with the Rock, where the Rock's
• 42:25
  in hospital and he's got the big cast on his arm and then the.
• 42:29
  This is Oh yeah. Attacking the city and he stands
• 42:31
  there, he's got the window and his daughter goes, what are you
• 42:33
  doing, daddy? And he's like.
• 42:34
  I got to go to work and he. Flexes in the cast, explains off
• 42:37
  his arm. Like.
• 42:40
  Incredible. Yes, that don't mean the bones
• 42:42
  in your arm are fixed. Like you can't flex that much,
• 42:47
  just flex off to put them back into place.
• 42:49
  The doctors are like Mr. The Rock Please.
• 42:54
  Classic. But like intentionally so.
• 43:00
  Like it knew that it was stupid. That's that's what I liked about
• 43:03
  it. But I think like, I think the
• 43:05
  the most expensive part is just getting all those actors in now.
• 43:08
  Yeah, probably. Most of them are so big now.
• 43:10
  Same with Marvel and and whatnot.
• 43:12
  You were talking actually last night, not last night, a couple
• 43:14
  of nights ago about TV shows and how I guess a problem they have
• 43:18
  now is when ATV show's really successful, the the actors in it
• 43:23
  become really successful and they become too busy for you to
• 43:27
  make any more of the TV show. And people complain that like
• 43:29
  we're talking and that and, and budget wise and and whatnot.
• 43:32
  Things are just different now we're talking about Severance.
• 43:36
  Season 3 of Severance hasn't even been filmed yet, let alone
• 43:41
  coming out soon. Whereas it used to be, you know,
• 43:44
  every year you get a new. Season yeah and I think that's
• 43:46
  actually what killed season 2 suffered for me because I just
• 43:50
  had sort of forgotten season too long in between and yeah had no
• 43:54
  and it's. Probably another year before we
• 43:56
  get season 3 for sure. Yeah.
• 43:58
  And then because I was saying, I wonder if this silo, which has
• 44:03
  been very successful, Rebecca Ferguson's obviously a huge
• 44:05
  star, they shot Season 3 and Season 4 of that at the same
• 44:10
  time already. Yep, and excellent.
• 44:13
  Yeah. So I guess they'll release those
• 44:15
  over the. Next, because I'm looking
• 44:16
  forward to three and four you've.
• 44:17
  Just got to get it done while you've got a kind of thing.
• 44:19
  Two lost me a little bit. It got really back.
• 44:22
  I liked it, lost me a little bit.
• 44:24
  Yeah, but I like the it's based on a series of books.
• 44:28
  It's gone an ending. Yes.
• 44:30
  It's like, I've not read the books, but as I understand it,
• 44:34
  this they're popular, so I'm assuming it goes somewhere.
• 44:37
  You know what I mean? It's not like lost or something
• 44:39
  where it's like they don't know where they're going.
• 44:42
  But also with that last scene at the end, it does feel like it's
• 44:44
  just been turning into Fallout. Yeah, yeah, I suppose.
• 44:51
  So I finished watching Fallout this week.
• 44:53
  I gotta watch season 2, I keep forgetting.
• 44:55
  About it just finished, loved it.
• 44:56
  Was good, Yeah, OK. Yep.
• 44:59
  No enjoyed it, still good. Looking forward to Season 3.
• 45:02
  Oh good, I'll watch it. We've got some space news that I
• 45:08
  wanted to talk about. Did you watch the launch?
• 45:10
  The Artemis launch. Did you watch it?
• 45:11
  I watched it. Of course I did.
• 45:13
  Oh. God, I'm so.
• 45:14
  Excited for this? Got my watched it with Lyra.
• 45:17
  She's very excited because she's never seen.
• 45:20
  She's seen kind of knows what it looks like when a rocket takes
• 45:22
  off. But I was like, this is life.
• 45:24
  This is right now and. This is like. 10s of 98 she she
• 45:27
  was going 1098 and I was like, this is great.
• 45:30
  And this is like the biggest rocket we have at the moment.
• 45:33
  Like, this thing is. Yeah.
• 45:35
  And we're going further than humankind has ever been before.
• 45:40
  Yeah. And I was explaining to her
• 45:42
  like, this is really important. She's like, why is it important?
• 45:44
  And we've said, are they going to the moon?
• 45:45
  And she was like, yeah, But like, and she's like, yeah,
• 45:48
  people have been to the moon. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I know
• 45:50
  that. But honey, no one has been to
• 45:52
  the moon while I've been alive. Boy so.
• 45:55
  This is exciting for me. So we've got this launch.
• 45:58
  So I think they're about halfway through their trip at the
• 46:01
  moment. Artemis 4 is 2028, right?
• 46:03
  And that's. The one they actually stand for,
• 46:05
  yes. I think Artemis 3.
• 46:07
  They're I think they're still landing on the moon.
• 46:10
  Right. But they're not.
• 46:12
  They're not. There's no humans on that one.
• 46:15
  I think it's testing the. Lander and whatnot.
• 46:17
  No, because remember this is all leading up to the building a
• 46:20
  base on the moon. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:22
  Like this isn't just a. Because I think.
• 46:25
  It's just pick up some rocks. This is the first time humans
• 46:29
  have gone up on this rocket, yes.
• 46:32
  Like so it was a little like, is this going to be OK, like.
• 46:37
  Well, they had to restart, they thought a couple times, didn't
• 46:39
  they? Yeah, I think so, yeah.
• 46:40
  Yeah, because I had AI think there was a night tradition leak
• 46:43
  at some stage and and the second that 10 minutes starts and they
• 46:47
  flick over the battery, if they have to restart again, they have
• 46:50
  to recharge the batteries all over again to get them to fall.
• 46:53
  Yep. Yep.
• 46:56
  But all successful, just great. And, and so just a couple
• 47:02
  updates I've put in the show notes.
• 47:03
  They launched, everything went great, flawless.
• 47:07
  They are as of a couple of days ago now on their way to the
• 47:12
  moon. There's no possibility of them
• 47:15
  coming back unless they complete the mission like if something
• 47:18
  goes wrong now. Because I had to go around the
• 47:20
  earth once or twice. Yes, I had to do a loop and like
• 47:23
  slingshot out there. Yeah.
• 47:25
  And they're on their way now if something goes wrong now.
• 47:29
  That that, that's it. They.
• 47:30
  Have no way to retrieve them. They are on their way to the
• 47:33
  moon. And they will be the first
• 47:35
  people to ever die in space. Yeah.
• 47:38
  Which we do not want. No.
• 47:41
  However, the last update is that everything is going great, so
• 47:46
  that's good. So it seems like it seems
• 47:49
  unlikely. But you never know.
• 47:52
  But it does seem, yeah, let's just yeah, hopefully it just
• 47:56
  come back because I don't want them dying is the only I'm
• 48:02
  trying to say a joke because if they die, they're going to push
• 48:06
  back everything else. Sure, That's not the only reason
• 48:09
  I don't want them to die. I don't also don't want them to
• 48:12
  die but it will push launchers and yeah.
• 48:19
  Look, it's not threatening the Artemis 2 astronauts.
• 48:22
  I am not 4, 4, actually. Oh, no, he's out of us two.
• 48:27
  Yeah. Yeah, I thought he's out of us
• 48:28
  two. No, there's four.
• 48:29
  There's three Americans and the Canadian.
• 48:31
  Yeah. And the first woman that's.
• 48:33
  Right. Yeah, first woman to the moon
• 48:38
  area. Yeah, to to the moon, ish.
• 48:40
  Because they're not landing, they're just going around it.
• 48:42
  They're flying around the other side of it, which is pretty
• 48:44
  fucking cool anyway, Oh my God. And some of the have you seen
• 48:46
  the photos that they've sent back?
• 48:48
  No, not yet. Oh my God, they're fucking sick.
• 48:51
  So I didn't put these in here, but I'll.
• 48:54
  I'm pretty sure I'll be able to find them.
• 48:56
  Yeah, just look up like photos of Earth from Artemis 2.
• 49:01
  They've got these, they've got DSLRs up there with them, and
• 49:03
  they've just been taking photos. And that's just.
• 49:06
  It's a bit boring while he's waiting.
• 49:08
  Because I guess, like, you know, no one's done this since the.
• 49:13
  The 70s. 70s, seventies, sixties, 70s, yeah, 70s.
• 49:16
  So you know they're going to send back some sick photos.
• 49:20
  Yeah, I don't think we've been like even if you look at like
• 49:23
  the ITS that seems just in low earth all but that's not
• 49:26
  actually that far away. Like this is the first time
• 49:28
  we're actually going to real space.
• 49:32
  Yeah, look up. Yeah, there's an article that's
• 49:34
  on this is on the New York Times, but it's got his photos.
• 49:36
  Yeah, I'm just start them now. I'm just.
• 49:38
  Yeah, they're just. It's just fucking incredible.
• 49:41
  Like, yeah. Flat earthers are not having a
• 49:45
  good time with this. I believe it's fake, yes.
• 49:48
  Yeah, we haven't faked a moon landing since the 70s, so.
• 49:51
  Yeah, Yep. They claim that there's actually
• 49:54
  no one on that rocket that that should still fake.
• 49:57
  And some people still believe it just because it curves off.
• 50:00
  They believe that just they just splash into the ocean and.
• 50:04
  Right. I think the thing that gives
• 50:07
  them makes them think a lot of this is remember there was a
• 50:10
  movie Capricorn 1. Yep, in the 70s.
• 50:13
  A lot of them think that's based on a true story.
• 50:15
  Yeah, it's based on a conspiracy theory, yes.
• 50:19
  I mean, it's a good movie, but yeah, and for.
• 50:22
  Those who don't know what Capricorn money is, so basically
• 50:25
  they are there's a launch that's meant to be going, I think to
• 50:28
  the moon. They notice that there there may
• 50:32
  be an issue with the rocket, so they don't want to stop the
• 50:35
  launch, but they take all the astronauts and put them away and
• 50:38
  sort of keep them away from everyone.
• 50:40
  And then the launch goes wrong. It blows up and then it's about
• 50:43
  these astronauts trying to escape because they're now being
• 50:46
  kidnapped and not under return because everyone thinks they're
• 50:49
  dead. Yeah, it's a good movie.
• 50:52
  Yeah, and that came out in the 70s and I.
• 50:54
  Remember, someone gets bitten by a rattlesnake or almost gets
• 50:58
  bitten by a rattlesnake. Yeah, because they're in the
• 51:00
  desert and. You got to watch it again.
• 51:01
  It's. Been a long time.
• 51:03
  The 80s, there's too much to watch now.
• 51:06
  Definitely 80s. You'd see stuff like that that
• 51:08
  came out 10 years ago and you'd rewatch Movies Now.
• 51:12
  Yeah, I don't have time to rewatch movies.
• 51:13
  I've got to watch all the ones I haven't watched yet.
• 51:15
  Yeah. Oh, I watched another season 2
• 51:20
  today as well. Oh, go on.
• 51:22
  Deadlock. Do you remember Deadlock?
• 51:25
  I don't think so. It was a.
• 51:28
  It was a show, it's an Australian TV show, it's on
• 51:32
  Amazon and it was set. The first season was set in
• 51:35
  Tasmania and it's about the serial killer who's killing all
• 51:39
  these men in a town full of lesbians.
• 51:41
  I've. Not seen this show What the?
• 51:48
  Fuck and then the season 2 just came out this week and it's
• 51:50
  about the same 2 cops being up in Darwin A.
• 51:54
  Town of lesbians? Yes.
• 51:58
  I didn't even know there were towns of lesbians.
• 52:01
  Well, I thought there are a lot of lesbians there.
• 52:04
  OK, OK. Oh yeah, I'm looking at it now.
• 52:08
  Yeah. No, I've never seen this.
• 52:10
  I, I actually enjoyed it. I actually enjoyed the the
• 52:12
  second season as well. Yeah, OK, Jenna might have
• 52:18
  watched this at some. Point Matt Dan watched it and
• 52:20
  enjoyed it. Yeah.
• 52:22
  Yep, all right and I recommend it.
• 52:25
  I enjoyed it and I also enjoyed the second season.
• 52:28
  All right, I'll add it to the long list of things that I
• 52:32
  should try. And make catching up on stuff
• 52:33
  this weekend because I've got a long weekend.
• 52:36
  Of course it's Easter. Yeah, Yeah, I get a long weekend
• 52:38
  here. Yeah, I know.
• 52:40
  It's weird. Yeah, I was always surprised by
• 52:43
  that. When?
• 52:44
  I moved. I would have.
• 52:45
  Thought America would do all the religious holidays.
• 52:47
  They don't. No, the only religious holiday
• 52:49
  you get over there is Christmas. Yeah, we only get Christmas Day.
• 52:52
  Yeah, whereas straight no Easter, you get Easter Friday,
• 52:56
  Easter Monday. They're both public holidays.
• 52:59
  Like we do Easter. Like, yeah, but you just do the
• 53:03
  Easter Monday, but you don't get the day off.
• 53:04
  But. Yeah.
• 53:05
  No, I don't get any time off, no.
• 53:07
  No. Very strange.
• 53:08
  And you don't get Boxing Day. Nope, they.
• 53:12
  Don't know what that is. No, they're having in Canada.
• 53:17
  Huh. Yeah, interesting.
• 53:20
  But I think that becomes because they're part of the
• 53:22
  Commonwealth, maybe it's just a Commonwealth thing that we have,
• 53:24
  yeah. All the holidays here are non
• 53:27
  religious like the. Federal the military ones and.
• 53:30
  Yeah, apart from Christmas, but like, I think Christmas is
• 53:33
  barely a religious holiday anymore.
• 53:34
  Anyway, no, just give me my presents.
• 53:38
  Yep, by myself. Good luck to the NASA
• 53:43
  astronauts. Yes, wait a minute.
• 53:48
  I've just noticed because it's not quite after party time, but
• 53:52
  I've just noticed I've obviously not put enough candidates for
• 53:56
  Geek of the Weekend because. There's only one more.
• 53:59
  Yeah, I'm sure I do. We'll figure that out later.
• 54:01
  Now is not the time. I don't know of anyone who's
• 54:03
  died. Did you see Lord and Savior
• 54:07
  Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ?
• 54:08
  Oh. That's that's of course, yes.
• 54:10
  Oh, so you think some of these people will rise from the dead
• 54:13
  on Monday? Possibly, yeah, We'll see that
• 54:15
  time of the year. Anything could happen.
• 54:19
  Did you see Anthropic accidentally pushed all the code
• 54:27
  for Claude code? You what Claude code is, I'm
• 54:29
  sure. Isn't that one of the AIS?
• 54:32
  Claude, yeah, Claude code is anthropics so so everyone knows
• 54:37
  ChatGPT, ChatGPT is made by open AI, Claude is made by anthropic.
• 54:41
  That's kind of their version of that.
• 54:43
  It's like AI thing. And there's they have a tool
• 54:45
  called Claude code, which it is like a programming assistant or
• 54:50
  select assistant that just fucking does it.
• 54:51
  If you want it to this programming tool and you say I'm
• 54:55
  trying to make a, you know, a file, you know I'm trying to
• 54:59
  make an app that does this. Oh, it's all that vibe coding
• 55:02
  stuff. Yes, exactly.
• 55:04
  Yes, yes, it's exactly that. Like it won't do it all for or
• 55:08
  couldn't do a lot for you. No, it can do it all for you,
• 55:10
  but you shouldn't. But like, you shouldn't because
• 55:13
  it's gonna not run well. It's gonna make some stupid
• 55:16
  decisions. And and if you don't know what
• 55:19
  you're doing, you won't know when it's made a stupid
• 55:21
  decision. So yeah, that's the problem is
• 55:23
  that we've had people have found like some guy made an app from
• 55:30
  scratch, apparently using Claude code, vibe code and the whole
• 55:33
  thing. He doesn't know.
• 55:34
  He's not a programmer, he doesn't know anything.
• 55:35
  He managed to get this thing up and running, made a website, got
• 55:37
  customers because he. Land Stripe gets against all
• 55:40
  their usernames and passwords and credit card information.
• 55:43
  It's just stored in a word doc or something the.
• 55:44
  Secret keys for his Stripe account, which is how you charge
• 55:47
  people money. It put the secret keys in the
• 55:51
  front end code. You could just view the source
• 55:53
  on the website and you get the stripe keys.
• 55:55
  And so they stole thousands of dollars from his customers.
• 55:59
  Hackers. Hackers.
• 56:00
  You didn't even have to hack. You did.
• 56:02
  They're right there. Yeah.
• 56:04
  I could find it. And it's all because he wasn't
• 56:09
  specific enough when he was making the app.
• 56:12
  And it doesn't, it doesn't know. It's not a fucking bug, you
• 56:16
  know. It doesn't care about that type
• 56:18
  of stuff if. He had asked hey, the Stripe
• 56:21
  keys in the front end code and it it probably would have said,
• 56:24
  Oh yeah, they are actually, yeah, yeah, right here.
• 56:26
  He didn't ask so it just did it anyway.
• 56:31
  So they. Pushed the photos and stuff.
• 56:33
  No, Claude can't do that. Actually Claude is Claude is
• 56:40
  considered better. Like I don't know what exactly
• 56:44
  the metric is but Claude as a as a chat bot, just the talking
• 56:48
  back and forth and asking it questions and and stuff.
• 56:51
  Claude at the moment is considered to be superior than
• 56:53
  ChatGPT. But they don't have image
• 56:56
  generation. They don't have.
• 56:58
  Oh, that's, that's the thing I'm sort of quite happy about
• 57:00
  because if that leaked, then it's going to be very easy for
• 57:05
  people to take that code and then just know all that stuff
• 57:08
  about children and sure, like just just don't worry about any
• 57:12
  of that stuff. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:14
  So what happened is that they somebody anthropic and then the
• 57:17
  jokes were did somebody anthropic do this or did Claude
• 57:20
  do it? Somebody vibe coding and it just
• 57:23
  pushed all this shit up. Well, they wouldn't be told to
• 57:25
  use it I'm guessing there. They pushed up a technical
• 57:31
  reason that this was bad, but basically they pushed up a way
• 57:35
  that you could, you know, when you, you kind of compile a
• 57:41
  program and you put up like the compilation.
• 57:43
  So people look at the code doesn't, you can't really figure
• 57:45
  out what it is like. It's, it's like compiled.
• 57:50
  They pushed up the code in a way that people could get to the
• 57:54
  original support basically. People who trying.
• 57:56
  To keep it simple. Don't need the vibe code.
• 57:59
  Anybody and and within within minutes, because because it's
• 58:03
  the Internet, people noticed and there are copies of it grabbed
• 58:06
  and so all the code for Claude code would became available on
• 58:10
  online, which is very bad for them because yeah.
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  Because that's was their business.
• 58:15
  Right. And not only that, the most
• 58:17
  interesting thing I think about it is that the code reveals
• 58:21
  features that they hadn't announced and some of them are
• 58:26
  are a little pretty interesting. There's one a thing called
• 58:31
  Kairos, which is it just runs on your computer even when you're
• 58:36
  not using clawed code. And it would review what things
• 58:41
  that needed to be done just in the background so that when you
• 58:44
  open clawed code, it would be like, it knows, oh, we need to
• 58:47
  look at this, we need to do that kind of thing.
• 58:51
  And there was one, what is this? Undercover buddy, which was like
• 58:57
  a little buddy thing. Undercover buddy.
• 59:02
  Undercover buddy. Yeah, right.
• 59:04
  Undercover. Yeah.
• 59:07
  So buddies are like a little creature that sits there while
• 59:09
  you're coding and, like, talks to you.
• 59:12
  That's fun. But there's one here.
• 59:14
  The undercover mode was controver.
• 59:18
  People. I keep saying controversial.
• 59:21
  It's apparently this feature that's designed for when people
• 59:25
  from anthropic employees, I believe, are working on open
• 59:29
  source projects. Open source is like like a
• 59:31
  community project kind of thing. And a lot of the community open
• 59:36
  source projects don't want you to use AI because they don't
• 59:39
  trust it, right? And it's creating a lot of load
• 59:42
  on them. So like basically you have this
• 59:43
  project like something like, I'm trying to keep it simple.
• 59:51
  So do you know what Apache is? It's the web server.
• 59:53
  Like it's the, it's how websites work, right?
• 59:56
  It's an open source project. So people write other, you know,
• 59:59
  you can write code for it if you want to, you want to fix bugs or
• 1:00:01
  whatever, anyone can contribute. But the problem they're having
• 1:00:04
  now is because of Claude code and all these tools, everybody's
• 1:00:07
  having a go, but they're not actually doing it.
• 1:00:09
  They're having these. AI tools.
• 1:00:12
  Playing a little bit, see. Write some shit and then they
• 1:00:14
  put in a request and say here's the code, it's called a pull
• 1:00:16
  request. But you you make some changes
• 1:00:19
  and you make a pull request and you say, here's my changes and
• 1:00:21
  someone has to review those. Yeah, and they're getting a lot
• 1:00:24
  more of just useless. Thousands and thousands and
• 1:00:26
  thousands of shit because people are using these tools.
• 1:00:29
  So it's a big problem at the moment for open source projects
• 1:00:32
  and a lot of them are saying like we were absolutely, if we,
• 1:00:37
  we'll even suspect you used AI, we're just not even going to
• 1:00:39
  look at it. We just don't have time for this
• 1:00:40
  shit. And so this thing undercover
• 1:00:43
  mode is for anthropic employees to contribute to public open
• 1:00:48
  source projects. And it's designed to hide the
• 1:00:52
  fact that they used Claude code by pretending to be a human,
• 1:00:57
  even though it's creating the pull requests and everything.
• 1:00:59
  See that's. Scum.
• 1:01:02
  It's pretty bad. It's it's explicitly tells the
• 1:01:05
  system commits. Should never include the phrase
• 1:01:07
  Claude code or any mention that you are an AI.
• 1:01:11
  Yeah, that that that's actively going around and yeah.
• 1:01:17
  That's just like, yeah, it's not good.
• 1:01:23
  Because whether the code is good or not, if they're saying we
• 1:01:27
  don't want you to use any AI tools, yeah, you should.
• 1:01:31
  Just don't. Don't.
• 1:01:32
  Yeah. So there's just a believe the
• 1:01:37
  amount of crap they're just getting from people who have no
• 1:01:39
  idea what they're doing. Yeah, it's like genuinely a
• 1:01:43
  massive problem. Like there's been projects that
• 1:01:44
  have just said we're shutting down, like public access to
• 1:01:48
  create these. It's just too much.
• 1:01:50
  Yep. Because.
• 1:01:52
  There's getting too much. There's too much reliance with
• 1:01:55
  AI far too quickly. Yes, I think these tools are
• 1:02:00
  useful if you know what you're doing because they do do dumb
• 1:02:04
  stuff. Like I've played with them.
• 1:02:06
  I used to. I was a magenta developer for a
• 1:02:09
  long time and I tried out GitHub copilot at one point, but it
• 1:02:15
  just makes stuff up like like you go, this was back before.
• 1:02:20
  I mean, this is a long time ago now, probably GitHub copilot
• 1:02:24
  first came out. It couldn't actually do any
• 1:02:25
  code. You could just ask it questions.
• 1:02:27
  And I would say, oh, I'm, I'm looking for a way to do this.
• 1:02:30
  What's your suggestion? And it would go, oh, you just
• 1:02:32
  need to modify this file. And I'm like, yeah, my file
• 1:02:35
  doesn't exist. And then it's like, oh, you're
• 1:02:37
  right, I did made that up. But how about this?
• 1:02:40
  File there. Yeah, it might have done
• 1:02:42
  something. How about this file?
• 1:02:43
  And I'm like, my file doesn't exist either.
• 1:02:44
  And then slowly I was like, you're fucking useless mate.
• 1:02:47
  It's like it doesn't know anything.
• 1:02:49
  I've played around with Copal like creating some agents and
• 1:02:52
  stuff just like chat bots essentially.
• 1:02:54
  And it's going to like read from this data.
• 1:02:56
  If someone asks a question, give a quick answer from that
• 1:02:58
  question like from this, this specific data like don't make
• 1:03:02
  anything up. I just played around with like
• 1:03:05
  how it responded, like I want you to respond like this
• 1:03:09
  person's a complete and utter idiot.
• 1:03:11
  And talk down to them, yeah. And it does.
• 1:03:14
  It's a bit of fun just mucking around with stuff like that.
• 1:03:16
  And it's a bit of fun. And I can see how that would be
• 1:03:18
  useful to some people just to yeah, to get rid of those a lot
• 1:03:22
  better tasks. Like the code stuff has gotten a
• 1:03:24
  lot better and the other thing I use it, I do use it.
• 1:03:28
  One of the things it's really good for is if you need test
• 1:03:30
  data. Like for example, I was working
• 1:03:32
  on something at work and I needed CSV file full of zip
• 1:03:36
  codes and the suburbs that they represented US, specifically New
• 1:03:40
  England zip codes and suburbs. And it would have been kind of a
• 1:03:44
  pain in the arse for me to make that right.
• 1:03:47
  Because if copy paste or whatever, I don't know, I hope I
• 1:03:49
  would have done it. It would have been kind of a
• 1:03:50
  pain in the ass. But like thought possible, would
• 1:03:52
  have taken forever but no no, just been a bit of a pain.
• 1:03:55
  Yeah, it's a minor inconvenience, like, right.
• 1:03:57
  Whereas I was able to just go open Claude and say give me a
• 1:04:01
  CSV file of random New England zip codes and the suburbs and it
• 1:04:05
  just spits it out two seconds. Done like.
• 1:04:08
  That's really handy. Yes, like and if.
• 1:04:13
  If it wasn't exactly right, it's still helping with the testing.
• 1:04:17
  Actually, yes, exactly. For my purposes, if it wasn't
• 1:04:20
  exactly right, that would have been good because it would have
• 1:04:23
  triggered my error handling. So yes, yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Exactly. You may have had a zip code come
• 1:04:28
  in that's three numbers instead of what you got 5 or something.
• 1:04:32
  Yeah, exactly 5. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:33
  Or if the zip code didn't match the the county, we wouldn't say.
• 1:04:36
  So yeah, we say county, but well then yeah, but because that's
• 1:04:40
  the thing, the kind of things I need to be checking for, yes, in
• 1:04:44
  my inner application. So because.
• 1:04:45
  People, if you're in your tester, you don't just test to
• 1:04:48
  make sure it works. You've got a test that also
• 1:04:50
  doesn't work. Yes, that's why it becomes more
• 1:04:52
  important. That's why I've asked you to
• 1:04:54
  test something that I made, yes, because I know that you're good
• 1:04:57
  at that. Because you should always do a
• 1:04:59
  positive and a negative test. If you get code written and
• 1:05:03
  someone does one test for you, fire them.
• 1:05:05
  They are a useless tester. I always say too, depending on
• 1:05:10
  the size of the team, I think somebody other than the
• 1:05:13
  developer should test. Because I know if I make
• 1:05:19
  something I know how to make it work and I will not think of
• 1:05:22
  things that a normal person would.
• 1:05:25
  Because when I I have no like ability to be impartial about
• 1:05:31
  it. Like when I say something I
• 1:05:32
  made, I instantly know how it works.
• 1:05:35
  I'm not confused about anything because I made it.
• 1:05:37
  Whereas a user will do some strange thing that I didn't
• 1:05:41
  think of because they just don't know how it works.
• 1:05:43
  That's why, like when I was a tester, I'd have fights with
• 1:05:45
  developers because I'd go back and raise like a ticket.
• 1:05:47
  Like this isn't working. They go, well, you're doing it
• 1:05:49
  wrong and I went. Well, it should be.
• 1:05:51
  Clear. I'm pretending to be a user.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah, I've done this and it's done this.
• 1:05:56
  We shouldn't be getting to that. That is a problem you.
• 1:05:59
  Have to allow for and people who do the wrong thing.
• 1:06:02
  Yes. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:06:06
  Anyway, Claude code code is out. There, it's all yours.
• 1:06:09
  Go for it. Yeah, I mean, not that you could
• 1:06:12
  do much with it. It needs the Claude back end,
• 1:06:15
  which yes, you know, I think it's interesting you can run.
• 1:06:18
  So these coding agents are very they're very cool.
• 1:06:21
  They're much better than, you know, what I was talking about
• 1:06:23
  with Co GitHub copilot a long time ago.
• 1:06:26
  They are very good. They've gotten a lot better and
• 1:06:29
  they continue. You have these things now called
• 1:06:31
  MCP servers where I mean you've had this for a while, but what
• 1:06:35
  you can basically you can do is if you work in a certain
• 1:06:38
  framework, you can now publish guidelines for these AI tools to
• 1:06:45
  to refer to. And then you run a little server
• 1:06:47
  and it can connect to that. And then if it wants, if you ask
• 1:06:51
  it to do something, it can check with that server and say what,
• 1:06:55
  how's, how am I supposed to do this in this framework?
• 1:06:58
  It's like it's all very, it's moving very fast.
• 1:07:00
  Let's say yes, there's all these things are happening and it's
• 1:07:03
  just like, fuck, all right. Yeah, it's going very fast, but
• 1:07:07
  as long as people remember it's to help, not to do it.
• 1:07:11
  You always need a human to check it.
• 1:07:13
  I think you definitely need a human to do code review.
• 1:07:15
  And that's actually, we're talking about this like,
• 1:07:17
  honestly, the as a senior developer, one of the most
• 1:07:21
  boring things usually is code review.
• 1:07:23
  Yeah. Like it's just not the
• 1:07:25
  interesting part of the job. No.
• 1:07:26
  And if people keep saying, oh, these, you know, these agents
• 1:07:31
  will do all the coding and you'll just do the reviews, it's
• 1:07:32
  just like, fuck. All right, that's the worst
• 1:07:35
  part. Exactly.
• 1:07:36
  My job's just going to become the most boring part of my job,
• 1:07:39
  like is reviewing other people's code.
• 1:07:41
  It's not even people, it's just like machines spitting out shit
• 1:07:44
  and I've got to go through. And it's like it's harder too,
• 1:07:47
  because when I review people's code, I trust them.
• 1:07:51
  Yeah. So whereas with this thing I
• 1:07:54
  don't. So I'm going to be more
• 1:07:56
  attention. Exactly.
• 1:07:57
  I'm going to be like, like, I'll kind of like skim code from
• 1:08:00
  certain people at work because I know like I know they're
• 1:08:04
  competent. Whereas with this thing it's
• 1:08:06
  like. Yeah, you have no idea what it's
• 1:08:09
  going to try and do and throw in just extra lines that are going
• 1:08:12
  to take up extra processing for nothing.
• 1:08:15
  Yeah, like why the fuck did you do that?
• 1:08:16
  And then and then if. You think it'll still work, but.
• 1:08:20
  And then if you ask, that's the the things they're so funny.
• 1:08:22
  Like, yeah, if you say why'd you do it that way, it'll go, oh,
• 1:08:24
  you're right, that was stupid. It's like, well, just do it and
• 1:08:27
  try it. The first let's do.
• 1:08:28
  That don't do it in a stupid way.
• 1:08:31
  Yeah, yes, All right. Fuck.
• 1:08:38
  All right. We've been way over time, Yeah.
• 1:08:40
  Babbling about AI stuff. We really did.
• 1:08:43
  We should get away from AI. Sorry, I would be passionate
• 1:08:45
  about it at the moment. I don't.
• 1:08:47
  Mind about it? I I I so am I I've I've gotten
• 1:08:51
  more used to it than I was at the start.
• 1:08:53
  I was completely against it now but now I'm starting to see the
• 1:08:56
  benefits of it. But still people yeah, to rely
• 1:09:00
  solely on it and you hear like the cases of lawyers who go to
• 1:09:03
  chat chief PT and go do this case file for me and then
• 1:09:08
  because we just made-up court cases as a support you yeah.
• 1:09:14
  Yeah, and I do still, you know, like the concern about, you
• 1:09:20
  know, generating art and music. And I'm happy to see it's
• 1:09:26
  annoying with like songs and stuff but they're still getting
• 1:09:30
  played on Spotify and stuff. But I'm happy that the courts
• 1:09:33
  are gone. You don't get any copyright for
• 1:09:35
  any of this. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:36
  But the courts have come down very strong.
• 1:09:38
  Like you generate FAI, there is no copyright you're getting for
• 1:09:42
  images, video, songs because you just typed some stuff in you
• 1:09:48
  didn't actually create. And like, you know, I use it for
• 1:09:52
  the thumbnails. Not always.
• 1:09:56
  Well, actually, you know what? I didn't use it last week.
• 1:09:58
  I don't, I shouldn't say not always.
• 1:09:59
  I can't recall if I've how many times I've used it.
• 1:10:02
  I do use it because it enables me to make a funny image that
• 1:10:07
  the truth is we just wouldn't have that image.
• 1:10:10
  It's not like, and like, 'cause I know, you know, oh, we could
• 1:10:14
  pay an artist to make them, but we wouldn't.
• 1:10:17
  We don't have the resources to do that.
• 1:10:18
  Making money to do that. Exactly.
• 1:10:21
  So the the alternative, so the options are like I can use AI to
• 1:10:24
  make a funny image, or I could just do something that I can do
• 1:10:28
  which I don't have a lot of time.
• 1:10:30
  So it's it's just not going to be as good, right?
• 1:10:33
  It's just the reality of it. Either I do it or AI does it.
• 1:10:36
  That's that's the reality of it. Yeah, you're not taking away
• 1:10:39
  because, yeah, we've not got the money to pay anyone anyway.
• 1:10:42
  Right. But but then I'm also, I'm like,
• 1:10:45
  well, is that a good argument? I don't know.
• 1:10:47
  I guess I don't know. It's it is a tough thing, but
• 1:10:53
  for everyone out there, the video, the pictures you see,
• 1:10:56
  they're not copyrighted. Go crazy.
• 1:10:57
  You can steal them. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:10:59
  Yeah, as that photo of you as Grogu and Yep.
• 1:11:03
  But sorry, legally distinct. I when I when I tried to do
• 1:11:06
  that, I said, can you make Luke and I like the Mandalorian
• 1:11:10
  Grogo. And it was like, I can't do
• 1:11:12
  that. I was like, oh, OK, can you make
• 1:11:14
  Luke and I an alien and a bounty hunter from the future?
• 1:11:17
  And it was like, yeah, I was like, thanks.
• 1:11:20
  And it just. And it made it The Mandalorian.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah. I didn't even I didn't tell it
• 1:11:24
  to do that. It just.
• 1:11:25
  It fucking knows. Yeah, and it's.
• 1:11:28
  It knew what I was up to. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:33
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