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EP 52: 2026 NFL Combine Winners & Losers / Building A Top 50 NFL Draft Board Vs The ESPN Top 50 - Part 4 (Players 19 - 21) · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL takes.
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Welcome to three guys 6 Balls NFL podcast.
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Welcome to episode 52 of Three guys 6 Balls NFL podcast.
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I'm your host Joel and I'm here with my two Co hosts Will and
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Avery. The NFL Combine is officially
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over, and if you watched it, hopefully you didn't think it
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was as boring as Jets head coach Aaron Glenn did all.
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Right. Yeah, yeah.
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Pause, pause, pause because I've got some thoughts about this.
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Matter of fact, later today. It's a little bit of a behind
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the curtain here. We're talking about draft
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winners. Honorable mention Aaron Glenn,
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draft winner or combine winner. Excuse me?
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You know how long and boring that is.
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And that dude for The Jets, like I even in The Jets, this is
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boring. I we need more help than anybody
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in the league for like a generation now and I still find
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this crap boring. I think it was ballsy him to
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fall asleep there. Hey in Lucas Oil Stadium.
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I think he's a winner for that. Also 52.
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That means we've been doing this for one year guys.
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Happy one year anniversary. Oh shoot, you know, I was
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thinking about that today actually, because the, I think
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our first episode was released on like the 13th of March.
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And so that doesn't make sense because this is the 52nd
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episode, but we still have like 2 weeks before we get there, so
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I'm not sure how that works. But I don't know how to count.
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Yeah, that's all. Yeah, maybe we skipped an
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episode or two in there somewhere.
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I don't know. Wouldn't that be funny?
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Yeah, yeah, all right. But anyways, since the NFL
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Combine just happened, so we decided to change the plan a
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little bit for today's episode. So what we're going to do today
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is we're going to go over some NFL Combine winners and losers,
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as we'll mentioned. And then with whatever time we
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have left, we're going to get into some more scattering
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reports for you guys today. So we'll just go ahead and get
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started with the winners and losers from the NFL scouting
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combine. So Avery, why don't you start us
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off, pick a winner for us, and we'll just, we'll just take
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turns. Pick a winner for us, Avery.
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I'm going to start with the obvious.
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You guys know, I'm going to talk about Kenyan Sadiq.
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Dude is a legend, wild athlete. I think he just kind of to me,
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like, I mean, as an Oregon Ducks fan, none of that surprised me.
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I didn't, I maybe I didn't know he was quite that fast or could
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jump quite that high, but I knew he could.
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I mean, in the same breath, I kind of have to also mention Eli
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Stowers. I mean, that guy, to me, he just
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seems like a big receiver. It really just like a a receiver
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that just got a little too bit too big.
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And his coaches were like, we're going to have you play tight
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end. That being said, I think Sadiq
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is more of a true tight end than Stours.
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I think he, you know, can easily be put into blocking schemes a
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lot easier than Stours. But to me, Sadiq, I mean that to
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me that solidified. Yeah, he is.
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He is the true #1 followed by Stowers.
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But I feel like I'm like why is this man playing tight end?
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He should clearly just be a big receiver.
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Yeah, I think Kenyan Sadiq's performance at the NFL Combine,
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I think that will secure his spot as a top 15 draft pick in
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my opinion. But I do want to touch on
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Vanderbilt tight end Eli Stowers as well, because that dude is
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also an athletic freak at tight end.
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So Sadiq scored a 94 athleticism score at the combine.
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Eli Sowers had a score of 90 at the combine, so he was right
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behind Sadiq. He ran a 45140.
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He had a 1.59 seconds, 10 yard split, 45 1/2 inch vertical and
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an 11 foot 3 inch broad jump, which is insane.
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Eli Saris is a guy that's been on my radar for a while because
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I've been looking at tight ends a lot because the Buccaneers
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need a tight end. And so he was one of the guys
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that really stood out to me when I was watching his tape.
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Eli Sowers is a former quarterback who started playing
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tight end in 2023 actually. So he hasn't been playing the
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position for very long, but I think Sowers uses his
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quarterback background to his advantage.
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He's very intelligent with the way he runs routes because as a
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former quarterback, he knows where his quarterback wants him
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to be. And so he's he's seen everything
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from the quarterback's perspective and he uses every
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bit of his knowledge from the tight end position that he had
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as a quarterback. So I think for teams that miss
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out on Kenyon Sadiq in the first round, Eli Stowers is going to
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be a great second option for them in the second round.
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Kenyon Sadiq set the record for tight ends and the vertical jump
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at 43 1/2, and in one minute of time, what goes by and Stowers
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comes in and jumps an entire. It's like, Oh my gosh, come on.
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If I were Sadiq, I would still say it.
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At one time I held the record. I would still throw it in there.
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It doesn't matter. It was one minute only.
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I would still say it. All right, Will pick a winner
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for us. Who's your 2026 NFL Combine
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winner? I'm going with Jeff Caldwell,
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wide receiver. From Cincinnati.
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From Cincinnati. Dude, that dude, Isn't he like
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65? He's yeah 6566 right now.
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I don't know what his actual height measurement came in at.
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40 yard dash, 4316 foot five, 216 lbs.
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Ran a 4314042 inch vertical leap and 11 foot 2 bra jump.
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Set the record. A 99 athleticism score.
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Yeah, he didn't set your records.
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So I'm talking about my next guy, the he's a, he's a day
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three wide receiver. Unfortunately, and it's because
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of his team production. He ended up with 478 yards this
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season. Their top receiver had 674
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receiving yards and so no one on their team had very many
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receiving yards. He was third in his team with
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478. He was second 132 receptions.
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He had one touchdown every four receptions this last season.
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He's an absolute freak athlete who can catch the ball very
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well, but played for a team that didn't utilize ball thrown that
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much. That's the reason that Brendan
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Sorsby's leaving Cincinnati and going somewhere.
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I don't know where he ended up going, but they they all left
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Cincinnati. And so Jeff Caldwell kind of
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went under the radar. 1st 99 athleticism score first over
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receivers, but his production score was only a 68.
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And so so he'll be a day three receiver that you're going to
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have to to train up and to get going.
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But he's got real size, real athleticism.
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And when you are looking for for that in a draft where most wide
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receivers, at least athleticism wise, most of their first round
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wide receivers either didn't participate or didn't do well
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when they did participate. And so there's a real opening
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for athletic wide receivers right now.
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And Jeff Caldwell showed up in a big way.
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Yeah, I think one thing we've learned from the previous NFL
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drafts is if you can run fast as a receiver, you're getting
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drafted around higher than you probably actually should be.
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So I think Caldwell actually actually boosted himself up at
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least one round in the draft because he ran a fast 40 time.
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So good for him. Yeah.
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So I'm. I'm going to go with kind of the
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an obvious one here. This is Ohio State linebacker
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Sonny Styles. Because of his performance.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Because of his performance at the NFL combine, I think Sonny
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Styles secured himself as a top five pick in the 2026 NFL Draft.
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Every GM who's drafting after the Raiders should remember the
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words of Sonny Weaver, junior from the movie Draft Day, Vontae
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Mack. No matter what.
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Forget positional value. Forget whatever position you
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need more. If you or any of the GMs
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drafting after the Raiders, it'd be Sonny Styles.
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No matter what. He's an absolute freak of an
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athlete who will be a centerpiece of a defense for the
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next 10 plus years. He absolutely crushed the NFL
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combine. That dude is just an insane
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athlete. I saw that his player comparison
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that they gave him on the, I think it was Rich Eisen or
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whoever the other guy was, the Megatron, Calvin Johnson was his
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player comparison. They gave him like that is
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freaking wild. Wild.
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Especially just for what? No, go ahead.
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Wait, who? Gave him.
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Comparison. I can't remember who it was.
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This is someone on NFL Network. OK.
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I was going to say because somebody on NFL.com compared
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Denzel Boston to Pook and Akua, so you can only take that.
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With oh, yeah, no, I'm not seeing any of these as real.
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I just see the fact that they would even dare put up Calvin
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Johnson for this guy is just like just shows like, OK, the
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whole point of Sonny Styles is that he is kind of a defensive
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jackknife. Like he can do kind of whatever.
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And so, I mean, he was playing safety a year ago, and I mean,
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maybe two years ago. But at this point, it's like,
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OK, like you said, you know, no matter what, you know, you got
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to pick Sonny Styles. Oh yeah, Will, sorry, what were
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you going to say? You know, I don't remember
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anymore, so obviously wasn't that important.
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OK, all right. Avery will give us another
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winner of the 2026 NFL Combine. I'm going to go with the I've
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got some other ones that I think are more obvious, but I'll leave
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one of those to Will for sure. But I thought Dylan Theeman
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another word. Hey, he's.
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One of the guys I had too, I thought.
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He crushed it. I thought he crushed it.
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I don't know what the deal is, what's in the water, but the
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white boys are making a return to the secondary.
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And it's wild to considering you see a lot of these records being
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broken like every year. It's kind of like the Olympics
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where it just kind of shows like, man, like so is everyone
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just from a previous four years just like not as strong or fast
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or good or whatever. And part of this is, you know,
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you have better technology. There's also nil money.
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So you can use this to, you know, better prep yourself, get
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better trainers, get better, you know, basically coaching and
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stuff on the side, you know, to get yourself ready.
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Even with that, these white boys are still making a a comeback
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And it's it's wild to see Dylan Theatoman is a freak athlete.
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Another one of those guys that just had older brothers that
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were older and bigger that could kind of, you know, put the pain
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on him to, you know, get him to that next level.
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But I mean, I, I thought he was insane at Purdue.
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He was crazy good at Oregon, ended the game.
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Penn State whiteout game. Dude's a freak.
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And I I think he's going to be a great, great safety in the
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league. Have you guys sort of the CCU,
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you know what that? Is yeah, the the Caucasian
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Collision unit. Yeah.
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With Thieaman and Bryce Becher, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He's, I think Dylan Thieaman is absolutely a winner from the NFL
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combine. He's one of those players who
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was like a fringe first round player leading up to the
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combine, but after his performance, I think he secured
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himself a spot as a first round pick.
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We see this every year where players in that range to
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possibly go in the first but might go in the second, then
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they run a fast 40 time and because they run a fast 40 time,
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they get drafted in the first round.
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Like you saw it with Matthew Golden last year, you saw it
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with Xavier Worthy the year before.
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So Dylan Thiemans 43540 time secured him a spot in the first
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round for sure. All right, well, give us your
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second winner from the 2026 combine.
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I have Arkansas quarterback Halen Green.
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I don't know if you saw any of his stuff.
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Again, this is a late 2nd or late second day, early 3rd day
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guy. Fastest 40 time from a
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quarterbacks actually post the second fastest quarterback forty
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time since 2003 behind Michael Vick.
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And again, it's at the Columbine.
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People are like Robert Griffin at the Columbine specifically
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was a 43640. He had a 43 1/2 vertical jump
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and 11 foot 2 broad jump which are both records for quarterback
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at the combine. 97 athleticism score, 6 foot six £227.34 and
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three quarter arm length 9 7/8 hand size.
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The dude is an athletic freak. The problem is because he can't
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play football like that's his actual prime time.
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He is an absolute athletic freak and and there's going to be
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Arkansas fans. I'm sure Tim will have an
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opinion on that. There's going to be Arkansas
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fans that are going to be like, oh, he's so good.
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He's the best. Listen, Arkansas themselves are
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very hit and miss on this guy on set.
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Half like I'm half don't. When he can get outside the
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pocket and run. He does very well.
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When they keep him inside the pocket, his decision making not
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good. And so he'll have a lot to learn
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on the field, which is why he'll be a a day 2 day three guy.
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But athletically, it's almost like I'm going to taste some
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hill where he's incredibly athletic.
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Can could move at six foot six. You can move around.
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You put him at tight end, you can hand the ball and he's a
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he's a a multi threat athlete. I don't know how well he can
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catch, but he just needs to learn how to, you know, play
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quarterback. And somebody asked him at the
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combine. Somebody asked him, Hey, what
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are your thoughts about moving to wide receiver?
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And he full on gave it the I'm a quarterback.
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Next question. OK, well, flexibility is not
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you're going to have to have some of that.
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But Taylon Green, I actually would not hate the Rams taking
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him day three. Day 2, definitely not day one.
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So I think what I'm taking from this Will is that NFL.com has
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his player complicit as Lamar Jackson.
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Is that right? Probably because, because why
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not? Because let's just pick the only
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other guy that we know that can run the football and throw it.
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I think coming out of college, I think Josh Allen might be a
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better comparison. He played in a Shrine game and
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he can throw a deep ball very well and it sometimes hits its
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mark. But that was Josh Allen's big
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thing. Coming out of college's accuracy
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was not as good. Has an arm and the ability to do
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the athletic ability to do whatever he wants.
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Just has to dial in the accuracy and it's the same thing with
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with Taylor Green is that he has the arm talent to throw the ball
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all over the field. He is athletic enough to run
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away from you and especially in A43640 time he just has to, you
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know, dial in the the the IQ and the decision making, the
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accuracy. I'm going to put that comp on
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the Internet and you're going to get absolutely roasted.
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Do it, Do it. Yeah, give a about the Internet.
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I'm going to go with his teammate at Arkansas, which is
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Arkansas running back Mike Washington Junior.
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He had a 92 athleticism score and Mike Washington Junior is a
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six one 223 LB running back who just ran for over 1000 yards
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last season while averaging 6.4 yards per carry.
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He's got the speed, he's got the size, and when you watch his
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tape, all he does is just make people miss.
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He's got the speed to run by people, he's got the size to run
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through tackles. Before the combine, I thought he
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would be a day three pick, but I think he really put himself on
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the radar with several teams with his combine performance and
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I think he moved himself into the day 2 conversation.
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Not saying that he will for sure be drafted on day 2, but I think
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he at least put himself in that conversation.
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So he's definitely going to be drafted higher than he was going
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to be before his performance at the combine.
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I think a lot of people were expecting him to run fast, but I
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don't think they were expecting him to run that fast.
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So. And I don't know if you guys
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watched the video of him after he ran his forty time, but he
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was like, yeah, that was awesome to see.
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Like he was like, yeah, I just, I just made some money for my
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family. Like that was cool.
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That was cool to see. So good for him.
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All right. Well, do you guys have any other
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winners you want to mention before we move on to the losers?
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I think I'm amazed that Jeremiah Love has not been brought up.
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Maybe it's because it's obvious, but I think, I mean, it was
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already the number one running back, but I think that kind of
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cemented it in just OK, this guy is, you know, he will be the
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first running back off the board.
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I thought he just crushed it. I thought he looked healthy too.
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Not that he's not going to look healthy, but just more just
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robust because that's usually my main knock on running backs is
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that, you know, it's, I don't know, it's, it's like a little
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sports car, a little German engineered sports car where it's
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like, yeah, I mean, you can get, it might be expensive to fix.
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You know, I don't know how reliable it's going to be, you
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know, if you got a big workload. But I, I thought he looked
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great. So I just want to throw his name
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out there. The reason I didn't pick him or
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bring him up is because there was other players like Sonny
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Styles who moved themselves up the draft more.
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Because when you look at mocked outs before the combine,
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Jeremiah Love was already being mocked to like the Saints at 8
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or the Chiefs at 9. And now he's still being mocked
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to the Saints at 8 or the Chiefs at 9.
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Like it's he's in the exact same position that he was before.
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But Sonny Styles was a guy who is being projected to go to like
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the Buccaneers at 15. And there's no chance of that
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happening now because he's going to be in the top five.
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Like for sure, in my opinion, he's a top five pick.
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So I think Sonny Styles is a guy who moved himself up the draft
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board versus a guy like Jeremiah Love.
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I think he just kind of put himself right in the same
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position that he already was at. So I think he had a good
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combine. I just didn't pick him as a
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winner for that reason. All right, so let's move on to
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the losers. Avery, who's your draft combine
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loser? I wasn't.
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I've got a, I've got a couple. But I do want to say that I
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didn't think that anyone really, I mean, I don't know, like
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looking at some of these speed comparisons between certain
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guys, like, oh, Kenyan City go, he's faster than Justin
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Jefferson. He's faster than Bijan Robinson
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kind of thing where it's like, OK, well, more than anything,
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it's like, OK, yeah, he might be faster, but these other two guys
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are proven commodities in the NFL.
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Like they So it's almost like, OK, so on one hand you could
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say, oh, look, this guy's even faster than them.
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But then you can all say like, but if their speeds aren't that
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great and they're still that successful, maybe the speed
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isn't as important. Maybe this metric isn't as
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important as as, you know, we're we're making it out to be now.
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It's the draft combine. We're not seeing guys going up
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against different guys. It's just really just, you know,
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physicals. But there's plenty of guys I
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mean that have, you know, I mean, I remember Chris Johnson
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back in what, 2009, 10, whatever dude was was nuts.
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He had like a 428. But I remember he had one or two
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insane years and then just fell off.
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And I goes back to my running back issue.
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But for the most part, a lot of these things, I see them and I'm
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like, OK, yeah, you might not be able to do as good here, there.
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I'm going to throw in a basketball reference.
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Kevin Durant was just a lanky slenderman in the NBA combine.
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I mean, he came in, Dude couldn't do like a single
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freaking bench press. I mean, is it noodle?
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Arms. That's easier to work out.
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Exactly. And that's my point is, oh, this
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guy doesn't even work out. It's like I'm still taking him,
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you know, no one want, I know now I'm still taking him.
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So it's, it's one of those things where like I look at some
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of these and I'm like, yeah, that was a negative.
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It might hurt you a little bit draft stock wise, but it's the
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same time like we're looking at film, we're looking at how good
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you can do doing the thing we need you to do.
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That being said, Emmett Johnson running back out of Nebraska.
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I don't know why he did that little agility drill.
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It definitely screwed him. I, I, I saw somewhere there was
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a tweet from some guy, Ryan Heath basically said it let me
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just pull this up. It was the only running back to
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even participate in the three cone drill.
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The only guys that have been drafted since 2010 that were
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below his, none of them had been taken before day three.
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Basically just saying like, K, this was probably just not a
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smart, smart thing to do. I mean, it's kind of the same
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deal with a lot of these, you know, like downs, you're not
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participating as much. A lot of guys, you know, the top
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guys, like, I'm not going to bother doing that.
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Why would I even risk it? You know, it's like I'm already
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going to be a top pick. I don't need to do this.
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All I risk is, you know, going down.
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So maybe this is something he felt like he needed to prove,
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maybe just had worked on it. But I thought that was
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disappointing. And I think that's because of
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that. I think it's going to hurt him
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even further. For sure, yeah.
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Going into the combine, I think he was.
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A lot of people were putting him as RV 3 in the class, and I
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don't know if that's the case anymore.
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So I definitely think that hurt him.
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All right, Will, who's your NFL Columbine loser?
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I'm just, I'm just taking the same vein here with Carnell
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Tate. He only ran the 40 and he didn't
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have to and it just hurt him. That's all it did.
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And we didn't do the cone drills and the shuttles into the jump
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didn't do either jumps. He ran a 453 when, whether
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reasonable or not, everyone's expecting him to run in the mid
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fours and he just didn't. He ran a 453 twice and
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everyone's looking at him like. But at the same time, that's the
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same speed that Des Red or not Des CD Red, I mean, Devonta
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Adams ran that. You could just run down the list
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of of #1 wide receivers on teams that ran the same speed.
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So I almost feel as if we are looking at what we expect and we
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don't find that. And so we're putting too much
20:36
stock into it because what matters more to me is the film
20:40
he puts up. We've already talked about
20:41
Cardinal Tate and we've already, we already said the same thing.
20:44
Here is this year's Ohio State wide receiver who's going to
20:48
lead A-Team quietly, right? Just just this year's guy.
20:52
I don't think to me, I don't think this 453 hurts him that
20:56
bad, in my opinion. But I'm not AGM or Scout, and
20:59
I'm not the one sitting there making a decision.
21:01
Did it help him at all? No, absolutely not.
21:03
I do think it makes him a loser because for I was a combine, not
21:07
a loser in life, obviously because he didn't do anything to
21:09
boost his stock, so he just have to hurt his stock.
21:13
But yeah, I I don't like the decision he made.
21:16
He didn't have to do it. Although I wish, I do wish they
21:20
would have a more uniform across the board.
21:23
You either all are or you all aren't.
21:26
I don't know either. Or like you do all of the things
21:29
or you do none of the things per person.
21:31
And so like, if you're going to run you, you should, you have to
21:33
jump and jump and cones and everything.
21:36
Quit picking and choosing based off of your strengths.
21:38
Because as a, as some of you sitting here doing these
21:42
scouting reports, I look at that.
21:44
I'm like, OK, so you chose not to do these other things because
21:47
you assumed you were going to do bad.
21:49
So you were unwilling to do hard things.
21:51
They're going to make you, they're going to put you out
21:54
there as possibly doing bad that I'm judging that a whole lot
21:58
more than I'm judging you doing it and not getting a time that I
22:01
think you should get in my. Opinion yeah, I think the
22:04
difference for Carnell Tate running of the 453 and like a
22:07
guy like CD Lamb is, I don't think it was a concern for CD
22:11
Lamb going into the draft where he couldn't separate on deep
22:14
routes. But that is a concern with
22:16
Carnell Tate. So I think that's one of the
22:18
reasons why he's a loser in that situation, because teams wanted
22:22
to see him run like a four four or even like a 445.
22:25
And I know there's not that much difference between the two
22:27
numbers, but if he would have ran in the four fours, I think
22:30
those concerns might have gone away a little bit.
22:33
But now that he ran a 453, I think that concern of him not
22:36
being able to separate on deep routes is still there.
22:40
So although he can he can win the jump balls like he's a jump
22:43
ball winner, those concerns of him not being able to separate
22:46
down the field are still going to be part of his process
22:50
throughout this whole the whole draft process.
22:53
So I think that's kind of the difference between him and like
22:55
a guy like CD Lamb. For my loser of the combine, I'm
22:58
going with Texas A&M edge Cashius Howell.
23:01
I think Cashius Howell was a loser at the combine simply
23:04
because of his arm measurements. Nobody talked about it because
23:07
they were too focused on Ruben Baynes arm measurements which
23:09
measured at 30 7/8 inches. But how was another guy who was
23:13
rumored to have short arms and the measurements confirmed it?
23:17
His arms are even shorter than Baynes measuring at 30 and 1/4
23:20
inch. How?
23:21
It was frequently mocked in the first round, but honestly
23:24
there's a strong chance that he falls to the second round after
23:27
his arm measurements because they are significantly shorter
23:30
than Ruben Baynes arms and his arms are already concerned for a
23:33
lot of teams. He had an.
23:34
Overall average. Going at the combine, he had a
23:37
good forty time. He had the best 10 yard split
23:39
among the edge players, but his vert and his broad jump weren't
23:42
impressive at all. I don't think his test numbers
23:44
really matter that much just because of how short his arms
23:48
are. So really I think he's just a
23:50
loser because his arms were significantly shorter than Ruben
23:54
Bain's arms, who everyone is already concerned about how
23:57
short his arms are. So I think really it's just his.
24:00
How short his arms are is why he's a loser of the NFL Combine.
24:04
Have nothing to add there. I I agree completely with what
24:07
you said. Yep.
24:09
All right, Avery, give us the second loser.
24:14
You're not going to like this. I put makai lemon.
24:19
Boo. Yep, Yep.
24:21
Get off the podcast. I've seen what makes you cheer.
24:24
Your booze mean nothing to me. I put the big.
24:30
The big reason is, well, one, the interview just kind of
24:35
turned me off from him a little bit.
24:37
Just maybe he's just got a weird way of being, or he was just a
24:44
little nervous. I did tell.
24:45
You his comp. I did tell you his comp was
24:47
Antonio Brown. So.
24:48
Yeah no I know but but your comp was pre CTE brown so.
24:55
I I never said that. I never said that.
24:58
It was implied because that was when he was good.
25:02
I, I mean, I, I, I think he's good and stuff.
25:07
And so I'm not saying he's going to necessarily fall that far,
25:09
but that I also, I think the gauntlet was the only thing he
25:13
did and he missed it like the first ball or the second.
25:18
It was before even started to run.
25:20
And I remember thinking, I was watching it and I remember
25:23
seeing some other guys go and I'm like, I'm like, man, this
25:27
doesn't even look, I mean, I understand like when you're
25:29
sprinting, you're supposed to keep going.
25:30
You're supposed to stay in line, catch it in stride, you know,
25:34
look comfortable and everything. And I understand that.
25:36
And I thought he was, you know, fine there.
25:38
But I remember the first 2 balls, I'm like, man, the
25:41
quarterback doesn't even wind up to throw it until after the guy
25:44
is already totally, the receivers already totally facing
25:47
him hands out, kind of thinking like, man, I feel like they
25:49
should like throw the ball at least like 1/2 a second earlier.
25:52
So you turn around and just have to catch it.
25:54
And I feel like that's a lot of catches in football are those
25:58
kind of anticipatory throws where it's like you turn around,
26:00
the ball is already halfway to you.
26:02
So I just see this drill and I'm like, this just seems a little
26:04
like that part seems a little too easy.
26:07
You haven't even started running yet.
26:08
Why are they like waiting for you to totally set up?
26:12
And it just just hits him in both hands right over his
26:15
helmet. And I'm like, OK, so when I saw
26:17
that, and then I'm like, that's the only thing you did.
26:20
And you like, couldn't even catch the second ball to me.
26:24
And then with the interviews, I'm like, all right, this, this,
26:27
it's given. It's given a little diva to me.
26:31
Joel's not going to like that. Joel likes him a lot.
26:34
Antonio Brown. I don't think that's a safe bet.
26:36
If you knew this is Antonio Brown and he's going to get CTE,
26:40
let's see how long you can get it before he starts taking off
26:43
his clothes and running off the field.
26:45
So no, I just, I just thought after that I'm like, OK, Nah,
26:49
for how high I was on him before, I'm like, yeah, little
26:53
I'm a little, I'm a little bit of a doubter now.
26:55
I'm a little bit of a. He just needed to have a
26:57
defender on him in order to make the catch.
26:59
If he had a defender there, he he would have made a catch.
27:02
That must be it. That must be it.
27:03
Because I saw that and I was like, dude, like that's one of
27:07
those things. I'm like, OK, can we please
27:08
start again? Like that was so embarrassing.
27:10
Like I've never had that's. Never.
27:11
The interview was definitely. I suppose this normally never
27:14
happens. This is This is so strange.
27:18
I also thought it was funny that he said he modelled his game
27:21
after Almanar St. Brown because I specifically
27:23
asked you guys to not do that. Every everyone other than us is
27:27
giving him that. Analysts himself, everyone,
27:30
everybody. The fact that he said it, I'm
27:32
like, OK, why don't you say like I'm me?
27:35
It's like, oh, there we go. Still unoriginal, but you know,
27:40
yeah, I don't know. Anyway.
27:41
All right, Will, who do you have as a combine loser?
27:44
I have a guy who didn't do anything at the Combine except
27:47
for show up. He got measured and didn't do
27:50
anything else. And that's Germond McCoy.
27:52
Germod Excuse me, McCoy, we're talking right here a little bit
27:55
more today. You want to know why he didn't
27:56
do anything? Because he said his body's not
28:00
ready yet and he's recovering from an ACS choice.
28:04
Joel, that ACL happened 14 months ago.
28:09
Aaron Rodgers was back at practice 79 days after ripping
28:13
his Achilles at 39 years old. This boy is in his early 20s and
28:19
he tore his ACL 14 months ago, took an entire year out.
28:24
He tore it in January 25. They were expecting him to play
28:28
football October 25 for the University of Tennessee
28:31
Volunteers. Took the entire year off.
28:34
Now it is February and it's March 1st today, but February
28:39
28th, 2026. And he's still saying my body's
28:44
not ready yet if I'm an NFL. Guy.
28:48
Exactly. And it's my team, my choice, and
28:51
you're? Not what a choice what and what
28:53
a choice he made. There is, I am either.
28:57
He's got the worst yips of all time because he's got the
29:00
biggest mental block and he's afraid.
29:02
He's just afraid to put any pressure on it so he doesn't
29:05
want to tear it again. And you see this happen
29:07
sometimes these guys come back with these major knee injuries
29:09
and leg injuries and just afraid to do anything on it.
29:11
And that's fine. That's all well and dandy, but
29:14
you don't get to be top 15 pick and also do this that those two
29:20
years don't. I don't think he's going top 15
29:22
not not think he's going. There's no way he doesn't get to
29:25
say my body is not ready to do this fourteen months after the
29:28
tear and then also go top 15 because you that is the biggest
29:33
red flag knee injuries for anybody in NFL.
29:36
Knee injuries are have to be 1 of the biggest red flags and it
29:39
is 15 or 14 months later. I know I keep repeating myself,
29:43
but fourteen months later and he's still not ready to do
29:46
anything. Dude, you are.
29:49
You are throwing away your career.
29:51
I hope you took those months and graduated college.
29:55
I want to go with what Will said.
29:57
I agree I tore my ACL I was back to 8 months.
30:02
About this. Avery Yeah.
30:04
Yeah. Regular.
30:05
Yeah, you guys remember. That a regular human in the.
30:08
Same movie. Wisdom teeth.
30:10
Avery is an elite athlete, OK? Avery is a dad bod with no kids.
30:20
That's so good and so mean. That's so good.
30:25
I got to use that. Not.
30:29
Only that I even had Greg Odin's micro fracture surgery and that
30:33
put him in the grave in the NBA. Granted, I mean, and and that's
30:37
The thing is, I mean, it's one thing to be like, oh, yeah,
30:39
yeah, of course I'm not. I'm absolutely not performing at
30:42
the highest level. But if I see a guy, I mean,
30:46
right now, again, basketball reference, Caleb Wilson is hurt
30:49
and he's probably going to show back up like right around the
30:52
postseason. But it's one of those things
30:53
where if he decided, you know what, there's only the ACC
30:57
tournament in March Madness. I'm still recovering.
31:00
I'm I'm just not going to play. The assumption there is is that
31:06
you are now preparing for the combine.
31:11
If you take that season off and you have done it, like, OK, so
31:15
now we are expecting for the real job interview, you will be
31:19
ready, right? And then he gets to his like,
31:21
I'm just not ready. It's like, dude, what are you
31:25
waiting for? What is it now?
31:27
Because at that point it's like, OK, are you just slow to heal?
31:32
Do you have the yips as well? Said it is one of those things
31:36
like, hey, that's a big question mark.
31:37
It's the same deal again, basketball, Darren Peterson.
31:40
I don't know if you guys know that is Kansas point guard,
31:42
combo guard, I guess going to be the number one draft pick most
31:45
likely is already managing his load already comes in, play some
31:51
games, plays well and then Subs himself out.
31:54
And it's one of those things where it's like gay, this is
31:57
this is frustrating one, because there's nil people paying people
32:00
paying you, but also it's like, how is this going to translate?
32:03
You're not going to get you're not just magically going to get
32:06
more mature when you get to the NFL.
32:08
Like these are habits you build now.
32:10
So when I see that I'm like, OK, this, I mean, especially if I'm
32:14
the fan, if I'm the fan of a team of the team that drafts
32:17
him, OK, there had to have been someone better.
32:21
There had to have been someone better.
32:22
Unless it was like seventh round, then I'm like, all right,
32:24
we can just go ahead and take them.
32:25
All right, well, I just have one more loser I want to mention
32:27
real quick, and then we'll get into some scouting reports.
32:31
I think Notre Dame wide receiver Malachi Fields was a loser from
32:35
the NFL Combine because he ran A461 Fourty.
32:39
Fields was in the conversation to be a late first round pick
32:41
after he had a very strong performance at the Senior Bowl,
32:44
but running a 461 likely pushed him back into the second round.
32:48
When you watch Fields on tape, you'll see that he's not a
32:51
dynamic route runner and he doesn't consistently separate
32:54
from man coverage, which is exactly what his 46140 time
32:57
confirmed. He's more of a guy who wins at
32:59
the catch point because he's 64. I just don't think teams will
33:02
choose to draft a guy in the first round who can't
33:04
consistently separate because winning contested catches is
33:07
cool, but receivers who can't find separation at the NFL level
33:10
don't often work out. So I think that 461 just really
33:14
hurt Malachi Fields. All right.
33:16
Do you guys have anything else before we move on to the
33:18
scouting reports? Nope.
33:22
All right, cool, so I'm going to share my screen, get the
33:25
slideshow going. So we're going to jump back into
33:28
Tennessee corner Jamad McCoy because he is the number 19
33:32
player on the ESPN top 50 big board.
33:35
And so, you know, I kind of feel like you guys don't like him
33:38
very much, but just going based off of.
33:40
Things to say. OK, OK.
33:43
Well, I have. I have a lot of nice things to
33:44
say. I'll start.
33:46
I'll start because I have some nice things to say about him.
33:48
I really like Jermad McCoy because he doesn't just cover
33:51
wide receivers. He's often running routes better
33:53
than they are. He moves with the receivers like
33:55
he already knows the route. And he was a two way player in
33:58
high school playing both corner and wide receiver.
34:00
And I think every bit of his experience at the receiver
34:02
position shows up on tape. He's got the awareness to know
34:06
where the ball is at all times. He's always getting his head
34:09
turned around and he tracks the ball and attacks the ball like
34:12
he's the intended target. I think he's got everything you
34:15
want in a corner at the NFL level.
34:17
He's got size, physicality, the ability to track the ball.
34:20
It's just really unfortunate that he tore his ACL in an
34:22
offseason offseason training session in January of 2025
34:26
because if he hadn't, I think he'd easily, easily be a top 15
34:30
pick in this draft just based off of his 2024 tape.
34:33
I think he's an awesome player, but as you guys mentioned, there
34:36
is something kind of weird going on there with his recovery from
34:39
this ACL injury. I read everything you said.
34:41
He and 2424 he was elite. Exceptional zone timing, top of
34:45
a ball, those translating to turnovers, advanced route
34:47
recognition with with physical ability to stay on defenders in
34:51
all parts of the field willing to put in the work to fight for
34:54
deflection, get a turnover or if they make the play, make the
34:57
tackle immediately for for a limited number of yards after
35:00
the catch. And like we were kind of beating
35:02
this dead horse. He just didn't play last year.
35:04
If it were up to me, I think he should red shirt or medical,
35:07
medical Gray shirt or wherever it would be at this point and
35:10
come back to Tennessee for one more year.
35:11
Because I, I think as a as a scout, as AGM, I'm sitting down
35:16
in interviews with him and the only question I'm drilling into
35:18
him is why didn't you play? Well, I was hurt.
35:20
Well, you were hurt in January. Why didn't you play?
35:22
Why didn't you actually play? Guys, come back from this and
35:26
list the number of people who come back from it in less than
35:29
10 months. When you play at all the entire
35:32
season, you miss a a year of your life for what?
35:36
And, and make him answer that question.
35:38
Yeah. I, I, I like what he put on
35:40
film. I just don't like that he had no
35:43
film last year. That is a huge, major red flag.
35:47
Yeah, but it's 2024. Tape was very good.
35:50
Yes, incredible. I think that was State Beaver
35:53
legend. Excuse me, Pardon me, to cut in
35:55
there. Organ State Beaver legend,
35:57
Germande McCoy. Let's not forget.
36:00
He's stuck with the orange. He's going to the Browns.
36:05
Absolutely. The Five.
36:06
Yeah, I I see this kind of the same way as you guys, I think.
36:10
Yeah, his his tape was very, very good.
36:13
And it's one of those things where generally I would say
36:16
like, maybe you should, you know, stick around, but if
36:19
you're already projected a first round, you know, as a
36:22
cornerback, I almost just feel like there's there's not really
36:25
a reason. It's kind of the same.
36:26
And college basketball, we're seeing if you're already a
36:28
lottery pick, it's like that's that's kind of just the green
36:31
light from everyone in your circle, coaches included, be
36:34
like, yeah, this is, you know, especially, you know, here, it's
36:37
like you could get injured and something could happen.
36:40
You might as well just go ahead and secure the bag.
36:42
And this could be something where, again, you know, just
36:45
like, you know, some of these guys who didn't, you know,
36:48
participate, It's like I'm going to let my game film speak for
36:51
itself. I'm not going to give people a
36:53
reason to doubt. Now, this is a very, very big
36:57
reason to doubt. But I do think that his tape
36:59
before shows, OK, he's got these tools.
37:02
At that point, like Will said, I'd be drilling.
37:05
I'm like, what's the reason here?
37:06
I want to, I want to get a better feel for like who you are
37:09
as a person. What motivates you?
37:11
You know, what's you know, what is your motive here?
37:13
Is it just, I don't want to devalue myself?
37:15
Is it just, I'm physically not ready and this actually did very
37:20
much alter me and I'm trying to bluff it until I get to the
37:24
draft. I hope that's not the case.
37:25
I don't think it is. But it is definitely a worry.
37:29
Yeah, for sure. Just to bring up something else
37:31
I think he needs to work on, from his 2024 tape, he had eight
37:35
penalties called on him in 2024. And I don't know what penalties
37:38
they were. I didn't find the specifics on
37:40
what penalties were called, but I would assume that they were
37:43
for holding because he does get grabby downfield.
37:46
And you know, again, I think he's very good at turning his
37:49
head when the ball is in the air to avoid like pass interference
37:53
penalties. So I would assume that they were
37:56
holding penalties, but I think he does need to work on how he's
38:00
grabbing receivers when he's downfield because I again, I
38:02
think he's really good at turning his head, but I think he
38:05
just grabs onto the receiver too much which gets him called for
38:07
those penalties. So something he doesn't need to
38:09
work on there. But just one more thing that I
38:11
have to bring up. He had four interceptions in
38:14
2024. Three of those came within the
38:16
opponent's 3 yard line. And I think that goes back to
38:19
his background as a wide receiver because he plays the
38:22
fade routes in the end zone very well and he puts himself in the
38:25
right position to make the play. So again, I think his
38:28
experience, even though it was at the high school level, I
38:30
think his experience as a wide receiver in high school shows up
38:34
on tape when you watch this guy play.
38:36
Do you guys have anything else you want to add with Jermod
38:38
McCoy? Nope, I told her a bunch of nice
38:41
things to say about him. You did you.
38:44
Just I just want. Him for a while so.
38:47
Just wait till we get to Lee Hunter.
38:51
All right, well, let's move on. I was.
38:52
Really hoping. I was really hoping it would be
38:54
Lee Hunter right there. No, he's next.
38:57
I knew he was. Next or not next, I knew he was.
38:59
3rd today. All right, well let's move on to
39:03
the number 20 player on ESP NS top 50 big board, which is
39:06
Clemson defensive tackle Peter Woods.
39:08
Well, before the show you told me you really like this guy, so
39:11
why don't you start us off with Peter Woods?
39:14
Yeah, athletic testing is is free for a size consistent high
39:18
motor throughout the whole game. I mean it doesn't matter what
39:21
the score is either. He is going to be constant going
39:25
at the entire game, strong and low timed hand striking.
39:29
He's going to have to make the switch from being the best and
39:32
biggest on the field to actually using technique.
39:34
So that's going to be a huge area of improvement in the NFL
39:37
because he's no longer just going to be the biggest body out
39:39
there. But he is he is fast, he's
39:41
explosive, he eats up a double team and and gets he he's got
39:46
this two hand slide where he just throws people around and
39:49
gets to it. And he's a difference of tackle
39:51
first and foremost. But Clemson moves him around the
39:53
line a lot and I wish they wouldn't have if he had been
39:56
able to take the entire year to hone in his three tack or his
40:00
nose straight up nose tackle abilities, I think he'd be even
40:03
better. But I I love what he's got going
40:05
on. I think he's the best friend of
40:06
tackle in this draft. Not best defensive lineman, but
40:09
best tackle specifically in this draft.
40:11
I think he's going to. 'Cause real problems at the next
40:14
level. He's a bit leaner at 3:10, but
40:17
at six three he's he's got a long body with long arms with
40:22
the hands up. In the past deflections as you
40:25
see most from defensive tackles, they're willing to put in the
40:28
work but not get the statistics for it.
40:30
And that's why statistically you don't see a lot of numbers from
40:33
2 sacks from the entire season, but from AD tackle that's
40:37
actually pretty good. So you want him in there eating,
40:40
eating or the the lineman up in the box up because he's very
40:43
good in the run, good run stopper, he says head across,
40:46
able to see where the ball is moving.
40:48
I love what he's got going on. He just going to have to improve
40:51
in his technique moving into the draft in the in the NFL.
40:54
Can I ask, Will, was there anything that wowed you about
40:58
Peter Woods? No, Yeah, actually, that's one
41:01
thing. Excuse me?
41:02
His consistency, he was consistent throughout the entire
41:05
game, and I think that's what raises him up so much.
41:08
He does nothing exceptional, nothing like blows you out of
41:13
the water and then you realize it's the fourth quarter, you're
41:16
up by 20 and he's still playing at the same intensity that he
41:19
was playing at snap #1 and that is really what you're looking
41:23
for. Doesn't matter what they're
41:24
doing, he's just playing. It's like a guy who just loves
41:27
football. He just wants to be in and wants
41:29
to play and he he runs hard from sideline to sideline.
41:33
He tries to make the play every single time.
41:35
I just love everything he's got going on from the defensive
41:38
tackle position. Yeah, the reason I brought that
41:40
up, the reason I asked that is because I don't feel like there
41:43
was anything that wowed me on tape about Peter Woods.
41:45
There wasn't anything that I hated.
41:47
I just didn't think there was anything that made me really,
41:49
like, fall in love with him. And so that's why I asked,
41:52
because I just didn't think that there was anything that really
41:54
like wowed me, like a key mesodor's motor.
41:57
Like that wowed me on tape. There was nothing about Peter
41:59
Woods that like, wowed me, like made me fall in love with the
42:02
guy. So that's why I asked.
42:05
What Will said there last I, I, that's what I also noticed.
42:08
It's, it's that consistency, it's that motor, but also like
42:12
that hustle, especially in the fourth quarter, being able to
42:15
maintain that level of play. And honestly, you know, we, we,
42:19
we've, you know, talked about other guys that have these just
42:23
kind of, you know, insane strengths in certain areas.
42:28
But then you also see the weakness on the flip side of it.
42:31
And I think that this is what a coach would want, someone who is
42:36
consistent, someone a known quantity, someone you know
42:39
exactly what you're going to get from them every week.
42:42
And I I thought that, you know, it's like the the pass rushing
42:45
is like, OK, you know, you can get an edge rusher, you know, in
42:48
on that. But seeing that like what you
42:50
put on the scouting report, that sideline to sideline hustle, I
42:54
thought just his motor, his ability to just keep going.
42:58
Because that's The thing is, especially in the fourth
43:00
quarter, you know, it's these little moments, these little
43:03
lapses in energy or effort that, you know, you miss a tackle,
43:07
it's a blown assignment and then the guys off to the races.
43:10
So I think seeing this, seeing this guy, and maybe it's because
43:13
he's a little leaner that he's able to do that, but I think
43:16
that is exciting to me, someone that you know, you see
43:20
something, you're like honestly great all around.
43:22
Couldn't really find anything that was any outstanding
43:25
strength, but definitely no outstanding weakness.
43:28
Just you know exactly what you're going to get from him.
43:31
And I think something to note too.
43:33
There's a bunch of guys in this draft class that are from
43:35
Clemson. But if there's something to note
43:37
with all these guys from Clemson is pretty much every single one
43:41
of them took a step back in 2025 compared to 2024.
43:45
I don't know what happened to Clemson's defense, but for some
43:48
reason all these guys took a step back at least statistically
43:53
in 2025 versus 2024. So that's something to note
43:56
there. So I think that's kind of a more
43:58
of a defensive issue, like defensive coordinator type of
44:02
issue versus the actual players issue.
44:05
So just something to note. Will you were going to say
44:07
something. Oh, Oh yeah, that's right.
44:10
So to put in perspective about statistics there, we've got
44:13
listed 20 tackles, 2 sacks. Last year Jaden Carter was hurt.
44:17
This year, arguably Jaden Carter one of the best kind of tackles
44:19
in the league. Oh yeah, absolutely.
44:22
Unfortunately, he plays for the Eagles so.
44:24
So in 2024, the last he he only played eleven games last year,
44:28
so we're taking that last year out. 2024 full season had 4 1/2
44:33
sacks and 42 combined tackles. So you're not looking for,
44:39
you're not looking for like Miles Garrett type sacks and
44:45
tackles and things like that from your, from your definitive
44:46
tackle, your, your stat statistics size just scales down
44:52
due to the position. And so 30 tackles and two sacks
44:55
on a, on a year for a tackle are actually pretty good numbers.
44:59
We just, we just aren't used to saying 2 sacks in a year is a
45:02
good number for a defensive lineman of any kind.
45:06
It's to put it into perspective. That's true.
45:08
That's true. Well, let's move on to the
45:10
number 21 player on ESPN's top 50 big board, which is Texas
45:14
Tech defensive tackle Lee Hunter.
45:17
Will, I know you got some things to say about him, so I'm going
45:19
to have you start again. Tell us about Lee Hunter.
45:22
All right, listen, I am, you know, it's right around starts
45:28
like that. I am right around the same size
45:32
as this dude. OK, height and weight combo.
45:35
I'm right around the same physical stature of this day.
45:39
OK, so when I am talking here, I'm talking as a true comp.
45:45
The difference? Same.
45:46
Athletic ability, too. The difference is, is I have not
45:49
just spent the last years of my life in college or how to have
45:54
top of the line training facilities and meal plans and
45:59
all of this stuff. OK, I'm going to run down our
46:02
strengths here on on the on the list and press the upper body
46:05
strength. Absolute truth.
46:07
Difficult to move with one-on-one blocks.
46:10
Possibly the hardest to move because he's listed at 3:20.
46:13
There is no way. I don't know what he weighed in
46:16
the combines. I don't know.
46:18
I don't know what he weighed in the combine, but he was for sure
46:20
drinking Castor oil and just emptying the bowels to get that
46:24
weight down. Anyway, makes consistent plays
46:28
in the backfield. He is an unbelievable run
46:30
stopper. This dude, when he he's got some
46:35
of the strongest arms and vice grips for hands.
46:37
When his hands get on you, you're going down because he's a
46:41
big dude who's just lying on you and you just can't get up.
46:45
That's just what's happening. Now I do want to pull up his
46:49
combine numbers because I do believe I read that he had
46:52
ground scraping vertical. I believe that was the exact
46:55
quote, which, if in case you're wondering, is not a good thing.
46:59
Just to while you're pulling that up, just to tell you guys
47:02
how bad. Of a ground is scraping
47:04
vertical, yeah. Yeah, that's the one.
47:08
He he put up a score of a 53. Athleticism score.
47:12
That's the one is bad. That's bad.
47:16
That's horrible. He 518 five .1840 yard dash.
47:22
That is actually rather fast. That is, it is not fast for the
47:28
people, but for what you're thinking of those tackles going
47:31
to be. I'm not mad about this man
47:33
running a 518. The problem is, is his 1.78 or
47:37
1.7910 yards. But that's what really matters
47:40
more. You're talking nose tackles and
47:41
you're talking offensive lineman.
47:43
The 40, who cares? These guys are never running 40
47:46
yards in a play in their life. Throw that number away.
47:48
What you would care about more is a 10 yard split and he's
47:51
doing 10 yards in almost 2 full seconds and that's a problem.
47:55
That is too a 21 1/2 inch vertical jump, an 8 foot 4 inch
48:00
broad jump. That is nothing.
48:03
That dude, this dude can't even dunk.
48:05
And and listen, I can't dunk either, but I'm not a 23 year
48:09
old college athlete. I just without trying to say
48:15
he's a fat sack of crap, I'm trying to find another way to
48:18
say it. He is so unathletic.
48:21
He is unbelievably unathletic. When I watched I watched I was
48:27
trying so hard to find good things to say about this man.
48:30
I watched probably 30 minutes worth of his highlight films.
48:34
Never once was a highlight of his with a double team.
48:38
Every single highlight of his is one-on-one and he is unblockable
48:41
one-on-one because of his sheer size and strength.
48:45
The problem is he bends at the waist.
48:47
He bends at the waist and, and leans on you and if you step
48:51
back, he's falling flat on his butt because he's no longer has
48:54
the center of gravity. And so if he if you let him in
48:57
on you and he leans in and, and he's not bending in his knees
49:01
bend at the waist, he's going to fall flat on his face.
49:04
He he is slow, he's unathletic, but he does do things very good.
49:12
He will stay on the line of scrimmage.
49:14
He gets his head across. He reads the run very well.
49:17
He has no pass rush in the NFL when people can just outrun him.
49:21
And by people, I mean just regular offensive lineman can
49:24
just outrun him. He's going to just get swept
49:28
under the rug as like, oh, well, this guy didn't make it.
49:31
Just like last year. Like, dude, that was, I think, a
49:34
Buck who's in the Buccaneers, and it wouldn't let him play
49:37
because he had to get his weight down.
49:40
Oh yeah, Desmond Watson. That's a dude.
49:43
He never officially made the He never officially made the team,
49:46
though. Sure.
49:48
I do bring in a very similar scenario where Lee Hunter will
49:51
get drafted probably late first round, maybe early second round,
49:54
then he'll get on the team and they won't let him play.
49:58
You are not athletic enough to get on the field with these
50:02
other actual athletes because when you and you see it, you you
50:06
see it in high school sports a lot more.
50:08
And yeah, pretty much just in high school sports.
50:10
It doesn't happen at the collision level or the
50:12
professional level when one team is physically worse than the
50:16
other team. They are just so different.
50:18
That's when the least, the least athletic in the least physical
50:21
team starts getting hurt. These players cannot physically
50:24
keep up and everyone just gets hurt.
50:26
Same thing here. He is the strength to do it, but
50:29
he does not have the physical athleticism to keep up with the
50:34
athletes that are offensive lineman now.
50:37
And and if you don't think an offensive lineman is an absolute
50:40
athlete, go ahead and watch those guys on the combine they
50:43
ran today, March 1st. Watch those guys do their their
50:47
their leg drills and their their footwork drills.
50:49
These guys are just so athletic nowadays because they have to be
50:54
because of the speed of the game.
50:55
And Lee Hunter does not measure hypothetically incredibly
50:59
strong. When he gets his hands on you,
51:00
you he will not let go. He is a going to be a hole in
51:04
the defense. Yeah, no, I I agree with Will I,
51:07
I think that speak coming from someone we just went from, you
51:12
know, just saying this guy is just consistent, just all
51:16
around, you know, solid player. This is a guy, here's a guy that
51:20
plays football when he's physically able to, you know,
51:23
that that does one thing you know very well.
51:26
And that is, you know, it's like, hey, dude, dude is, is, is
51:30
gambling at all on on every one of these pass rushes where, you
51:34
know, it's like bending at the hips, you know it.
51:37
It really just takes one intelligent lineman to just be
51:41
like, I'm going to call this guy's bluff.
51:43
It reminds me of Joaquin Phoenix's character and signs.
51:49
He was this dude. He just going to play baseball.
51:52
And he had like the most strikeouts like ever.
51:56
And this whole thing was just like, it felt wrong not to
51:58
swing. And that this, this, this.
52:01
That's just kind of what this reminds me of a little bit.
52:03
But also, yeah, dude is severely, severely unathletic.
52:07
And it's kind of strange. I feel like we have been
52:11
shitting on, sorry dad, these Texas Tech defenders like every
52:17
is this the third? Is this the 4th one or just the
52:20
third? Because I know this is
52:21
definitely the third. But anyway, all of these guys.
52:25
I think it's just David Bailey and.
52:27
We have it was was it not another one?
52:31
Maybe there wasn't. There will be another one in
52:33
Jacob Rodriguez coming up soon, but I.
52:37
Think it's just the two of them now.
52:39
Oh, shoot. All right.
52:40
Well, either way, yeah, Rough, rough.
52:44
I, I just, it's strange. I mean, they played in the Big
52:47
12. They had, they had a pretty good
52:49
schedule. They, they won a lot of games.
52:51
They got beat down by Oregon barely.
52:53
But I mean, they won that game. But no, I, I think that this guy
52:56
is, it's going to be one of those things where, yeah, the,
53:01
the training staff is going to have to make sure they get this
53:04
guy on a not only a plan, like a diet plan, but like just a
53:11
exercise routine. This ground scraping vertical is
53:16
brutal. But however I will say I bet
53:19
money this man can run faster than all three of us.
53:22
Oh I for sure 100% he can just run me.
53:25
Funniest thing that's the funniest thing is I've 18.
53:29
I'm like, I don't even know if I could run that.
53:31
I I can't. I know I can't.
53:35
Next time we're all together we're going to run a 40 for
53:38
sure. It's fine, you'll do it four
53:40
times. We got to go in the drop,
53:41
combine ourselves, figure out how bad we are.
53:45
Yeah, that's. Funny, just one more thing here
53:48
real quick. I to keep to keep bringing it
53:50
back to basketball. My biggest fear here is you're
53:54
going to get like a Greg Oden or like a Zion Williamson, right?
53:57
You've got all this power, all this potential.
53:59
You're just your career is going to be riddled with injury.
54:02
I'm often surprised when I hear Zion's actually in.
54:06
Oh, yeah, Zion's playing tonight.
54:07
Oh, really? That surprises me.
54:09
He's just so consistently hurt because he's too powerful for
54:14
his body. His body got too big and too
54:17
powerful without his ligaments keeping up with it, and that is
54:21
the problem. I think it's going to be Lee
54:23
Hunter's problem as well, is he's too big and too powerful
54:27
for his ligaments. I truly think that's why he
54:29
bends at the waist more than bending with the knee with his
54:32
knees, because his knees can't drive him the way that he can
54:36
just use his upper body strength.
54:38
I I really don't have anything else to add.
54:39
You guys pretty much covered everything that I would have
54:42
said So yeah. So let's I'm going to share my
54:46
other screen here. So, Avery, let me know if you
54:49
like this because this is how we're going to be doing our.
54:51
Draft board. I do like it.
54:53
I love it. All right.
54:55
So more of it. I've got the three guys that we
54:58
talked about on the bottom of this list, so currently ranked
55:01
1920 and 21. So first, before we rank these
55:05
guys based off of what happened at the Columbine, are there any
55:09
guys on our current list, one through 18 that you guys want to
55:12
move anywhere else? Like Jeremiah Love's on his way
55:16
up, but that's. Just me.
55:19
Think Avery might have some reason about that?
55:21
I, I don't know, I think Aid's still fine.
55:24
I think like Joel said, I, I, I think he's still kind of like.
55:30
He's in the same spot. He's really good running back,
55:32
but he's still, he's still. Sunny styles should move up.
55:35
Sunny Styles. Is #2 probably the number 2
55:38
honestly. I mean probably no number.
55:40
Two, I wouldn't even if not. One number one, honestly.
55:44
I'm good. I'm actually, I'm actually OK
55:47
with that. I'm actually OK with that.
55:49
I'm actually OK with moving sunny styles with one he didn't
55:53
show up. I'm totally.
55:54
Fine with that. He he did not have as good a
55:56
Caleb Downs even performing he. Didn't even.
55:59
He didn't even test. He didn't even test.
56:00
Yeah, anything. And so I'm like losing a ranking
56:03
because on a bye week, but still all of a sudden he styles it was
56:07
prove how good he was so. I mean, we might as well just
56:10
move Carnell Tate to #4 just keep the.
56:12
Top four, yeah. No.
56:18
Right. Yeah, I'm cool with that.
56:19
If you guys are cool with that, is there anybody else you guys
56:22
want to move around? Should move Sadika.
56:25
Yeah, I like him at 11. I.
56:27
Like that? And mainly, I mean, I would move
56:30
it up higher, but he is still just a tight end.
56:32
So I don't think he's necessarily like extremely game
56:36
changing as some of these other players if you know, because
56:38
it's one of those things like if the scheme even uses him
56:41
correctly. But I like him at 11.
56:44
OK, cool. All right.
56:46
So now we got to move these these three guys in.
56:49
So where do you guys think, Jermad?
56:52
McCoy should be. I like him right there.
56:55
At 19. Yep, he didn't perform at all.
56:59
But I don't want to take away from his his his athleticism.
57:02
I don't want to take that away from him.
57:04
But he he has literally shown nothing in 14 months to prove he
57:09
is better. But I can't say he's worse.
57:12
That's fair. Fair.
57:15
Do you guys think Lee Hunter is worse?
57:17
Is the worst player on this list.
57:19
Yes, I do. Do we think he's worse than
57:21
Fano? I do.
57:22
He's he's yeah, he's way less athletic.
57:25
Yeah, Fano is a much better athlete than Lee Hunter.
57:28
OK, so where do you guys want to put Peter Woods then?
57:30
I think he goes above Ruben Bane.
57:33
I was even thinking, yeah, below Lomu, above Bane.
57:38
It's right there at 16. I like that and.
57:42
Then I would move Fano down 1. And put McCoy above Fano.
57:46
Yeah. OK, I'm cool with that.
57:48
I. Mean we don't have to, but.
57:50
No, I'm, I'm cool with that. If we're just going based off of
57:54
Mccoy's 2024 tape, then I think he should be above Fano.
57:59
That it's just a tough one because he's hurt.
58:01
So right, it's it's kind of hard to rank him just because we
58:06
don't know what he's going to be.
58:07
Right. Yeah, but but we do know how bad
58:11
most well, we know how bad Lee Hunter is athletically and we
58:16
know Fano is is what he is. I I has did he test?
58:22
Do we know if he tested? Yeah, he tested.
58:25
How did he do? He had a 49140 which is I think
58:29
one of the better 40s for the tackles.
58:31
Yeah, he he had a 90. I thought this has him score.
58:33
Yeah, I knew everything. Combined, Greg.
58:35
Overall. What we said about Fano with his
58:38
ability to win with his movements is what showed up at
58:42
the combat. OK, let's let's put Lee Hunter
58:45
into a better perspective here. Final measure, the six, five and
58:48
a half 311 lbs. So taller and about the same
58:52
weight as Lee Hunter, 32 inch vertical jump versus a 21 inch
58:56
vertical jump and a nine foot 3 broad jump versus an 8 foot 2
59:00
broad jump. OK, so that's that's kind of
59:03
stuff we're talking about here. Like he jumped over a foot
59:07
taller and horizontally than Lee Hunter.
59:12
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
59:14
So I'm I'm good with the board the way it is right now, if you
59:17
guys are cool with that. I like it.
59:18
Yeah, I like that. OK, cool.
59:21
So put McCoy in at 19, Lee Hunter's going in at 21, and
59:25
then we put Peter Woods at 16. I we don't have to change it,
59:31
but I would like to say that I would switch Carnell Tate and
59:36
Mackay Lemon. We don't have to do it, but
59:40
that's what I would do. Will.
59:42
Even after Cardinal Tate slow 40 time.
59:44
Yep, I have. I have no issue with that.
59:46
In fact, that goes back to the 40 times of some of these other
59:49
better players where it's like, honestly don't even care that
59:54
much. Like he showed it on the field.
59:56
I don't think it's a huge deal. Honestly, those two guys, it's
59:59
probably kind of like splitting hairs here, but that's what I
1:00:03
would do. I don't expect you guys to move
1:00:05
it, but that's what I would. Do I would rather put Jeremiah
1:00:08
at Love at six, Carnal Tate at 8, who had a limit at 9:00?
1:00:14
I'll be OK with that. Because Jeremiah Love stayed
1:00:17
after and ran extra routes that he did not have to.
1:00:23
He ran extra from these guys and all he was continue to prove how
1:00:29
good he is out of the backfield receiving, running.
1:00:32
There's a point I was watching his his combine tape.
1:00:34
There's a point where he's trapping his feet over pads, his
1:00:37
foot clips a pad and he just stomps through it, doesn't miss
1:00:41
a beat, picks it right back up and keeps going.
1:00:43
Doesn't trip, doesn't stumble, just keeps going like that.
1:00:46
I've done that before and ate so much dirt.
1:00:50
I fell so hard. That is not easy.
1:00:54
That's what would happen to the hunter.
1:00:56
That's what would happen. It is for sure what would happen
1:00:58
to the hunter. All right.
1:01:03
I'm cool with these rankings if you guys are cool with that.
1:01:06
I'm cool. I like this.
1:01:07
I like how how fluid that that big board is.
1:01:10
Yeah, that's nice. All right.
1:01:12
Cool, so that's what we've got time for on today's episode.
1:01:16
But next week we're going to be back with Avery's cousin coming
1:01:20
on the show and hopefully this time he'll actually make an
1:01:23
appearance on the show. We're still going to be talking
1:01:25
about the NFL Draft, but we're going to be doing it a little
1:01:28
bit differently than we have been, so stay tuned for that.
1:01:31
And as always, don't forget to keep your balls played with.
1:01:34
We'll see you next time. Bye now y'all.
1:01:37
Also, Mark Davis and Sarah Kyle still sucks.