Latest / Foul Territory / David Samson on Rays sale, Dodgers owning Lakers, Devers saga, Royals Jac Caglianone call-up debate

Transcript

David Samson on Rays sale, Dodgers owning Lakers, Devers saga, Royals Jac Caglianone call-up debate · Foul Territory

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: I was not in any way saying that he's bad.
• 0:03
  Speaker 2: I was saying that you've got to be careful how
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: you allocate your money when you have a limited payroll,
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: which I think he'd agree.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Kansas City does.
• 0:14
  Speaker 3: Hey, we've got David Sampson back on the show, looking good,
• 0:17
  Speaker 3: like the I like the jacket.
• 0:20
  Speaker 4: David, Good to see you.
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: And before you even say anything, I just want to
• 0:23
  Speaker 3: make sure I get some plugs in there. Nothing personal
• 0:25
  Speaker 3: with David Sampson. He's on every day, he's streaming live
• 0:27
  Speaker 3: in the mornings. He's on the network with LeBatard on
• 0:31
  Speaker 3: that show as well. I listen very frequently, especially when
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: there's juicy business talk.
• 0:35
  Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, let me see what.
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: David has to say about this first before I make
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: my opinion.
• 0:40
  Speaker 4: Heard on FT, how you.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: Doing, I'm doing well, Thanks for having me.
• 0:45
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 0:45
  Speaker 3: So I want to start with the major sale that
• 0:48
  Speaker 3: lets us know that it is still very healthy to
• 0:52
  Speaker 3: own a franchise. And I know it's the Lakers, but
• 0:55
  Speaker 3: they sold for ten billion dollars to Mark Walter in Company,
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers owner, So we have done a pretty nice
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: job with the organization.
• 1:04
  Speaker 5: We're talking about the Rays being sold.
• 1:07
  Speaker 4: Sorry, well we're going to do that too. That's two.
• 1:09
  Speaker 4: I figured I would start with the bigger said.
• 1:11
  Speaker 5: The Baseball show, though, Scott, you can't talk about other sports, but.
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: It's a baseball owner now who's going to dip into
• 1:16
  Speaker 3: the Lakers world.
• 1:17
  Speaker 4: So what were your thoughts when you saw that news?
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I thought ten billion was a
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: pretty healthy number, and then I realized that we really
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: don't know what the final number is because it weighs
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: how much debt is on the team, how much is
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: Mark Walter going to buy.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: He already owns a percentage of the team.
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: You can peg a value at a number that has
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: the wow factor, but you really have to dig into
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: the agreement to see exactly where he's investing at what number.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: But it is pretty sexy to say ten billion dollars,
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. And Mark Walter owning the
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: Lakers is going to be interesting because he's going to
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: be knee deep in a salary cap league where he's
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: lived in a baseball world where he can outspend everyone
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: and use his money in a way that is almost
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: like a bully, and in basketball that just is not
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: the opportunity.
• 2:08
  Speaker 4: That's true. That's true. Basketball is much less.
• 2:13
  Speaker 5: Lebron, and Lebron's the greatest player. He's not anymore.
• 2:17
  Speaker 4: Wait, but also we can do this. We have a
• 2:18
  Speaker 4: photo to show David. I mean, make him a three
• 2:26
  Speaker 4: way player. He probably can heo. I bet you he
• 2:31
  Speaker 4: can dunk.
• 2:31
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 2:32
  Speaker 6: Now I'm gonna say no, because he's never he didn't
• 2:34
  Speaker 6: grow up doing it. I grew up playing baseball in Japan.
• 2:37
  Speaker 5: Think of dunk?
• 2:37
  Speaker 4: I bet, but yeah, you can dunk. He can jump.
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: All right, anyway, let's let's get to the juice here.
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: You got something, and then we'll get to we'll get
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: I would say that.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: One of the prohibited activities in Otani's contract is likely
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: professional basketball. Put that along with racquetball and skydiving. But
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: I would say that him in a Lakers uniform, he
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: has a better chance of being a cheerleader than he
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: does of being a NBA player.
• 3:01
  Speaker 4: True, no ATVs either. All right, get to your state.
• 3:05
  Speaker 6: Let's talk Florida. Let's talk Florida baseball here. Not do
• 3:08
  Speaker 6: you know anything about that? You never owned, you were
• 3:10
  Speaker 6: never around in owner of a team of a team
• 3:12
  Speaker 6: in Florida. Right, you didn't know anything about that. What's
• 3:15
  Speaker 6: the deal with the letter of intent? Does that mean
• 3:18
  Speaker 6: they signed to go to college, they get a good
• 3:20
  Speaker 6: dorm their first year? What does this mean for the
• 3:22
  Speaker 6: rays in Patrick Zolowski.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: So, when you're going through selling your franchise and there's
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different groups who are bidding on it,
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: sometimes you enter into an exclusive negotiating period with one
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: of the parties, and that doesn't mean that's the party
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: that will end up buying the team. As a matter
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: of fact, when the Marlins sold to Jeter back in
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: seventeen and Bruce Sherman, there was an exclusive negotiating period
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: with a totally different party and during that period, that's
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: the only people we negotiated with, Wink Wink. That's the
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: only people who had access to the books at that time,
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: Wink Wink. And then when that period ends, either there's
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: a breakup fee involved if a deal doesn't happen, where
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: one side or the other gets a payment for having
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: that exclusive period, and then you move on to the
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: next group. So I don't know that it necessarily means
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: that a deal is set in stone, as opposed to
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: what you said, And I haven't read that an actual
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: letter of intent. There are two kinds of those, one
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: that's binding and one that's not binding. If you have
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: a binding letter of intent, there's an argument to say
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: that that really is a purchase agreement. That's the beginning
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: of a purchase agreement, and that's not an exclusive period.
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: That's a hey, we're gonna not date, we're getting married.
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: A non binding letter of intent means let's go to
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: a movie, maybe dinner, see what happens on a random Thursday,
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: and then we'll decide if we're gonna get married.
• 4:50
  Speaker 7: Does this mean Stu Starnberg's just like saying, Hey, I
• 4:53
  Speaker 7: want to talk to you and see how you would
• 4:56
  Speaker 7: run the team, to try to get ideas on how
• 4:58
  Speaker 7: to do stuff. Or is this a moving to they
• 5:03
  Speaker 7: want to have a second date.
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, I would say, when you're an exclusive negotiating period,
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: you are definitely having second and third dates and you're
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: not digging for information. I really didn't care how new
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: owners were going to run the Marlins. I knew they'd
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: have to trade stanton, etc. But it didn't really matter
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: to me. I was focused on the total price, meaning
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: the entire enterprise valuation, which like in the Lakers cases
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: rumored to be ten billion, and then what gets subtracted
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: from that. So in a negotiation, they may look at
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: a contract and say, well, we don't really want to
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: pay for that, We don't want to pay for that
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: person or this player or that item, and then you
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: subtract that from the total amount of what's called the
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: enterprise valuation. So this is just a lot of negotiating
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: that goes on back and forth. These are long, complicated documents,
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: hundreds of pages, and it's just starting. So for me,
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: both the Rays and the Lakers announcement was not anything
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: that's ready to be approved by owners in each specific sport.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: This is sort of the beginning of getting to that point.
• 6:08
  Speaker 5: How will the new owner make it work?
• 6:10
  Speaker 4: How?
• 6:11
  Speaker 7: How how is he going to make it work in
• 6:14
  Speaker 7: an area that it hasn't worked? Does he have to
• 6:16
  Speaker 7: change locations?
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: From where I'm sitting, I don't see how anything works
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: in Saint Petersburg, and I think they'll be out of
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: Saint Petersburg. I know that Rob Manford, the commissioner, has
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: said he wants a team in Tampa. He told Ron DeSantis,
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: the governor, he wants a team in Tampa. But with
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: that and a dollar, you know, you have a dollar.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: So I think that if a new owner can get
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: a deal done in Tampa, that would be preferable.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: But you don't know right now.
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: But in order for a new owner to be approved,
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: there's going to have to be some sort of stadium
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: plan because remember the Rays are time certain out of
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: the drop. They have a lease that's expiring, and so
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: they've got to get going on some construction.
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: So all of this is related.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: And a quick example, if a new owner has to
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: pay a disproportionate amount for a new ballpark in Tampa,
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: dollars are fungible, he's going to offer less for the franchise.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: If it's a really fully publicly funded ballpark, that leaves
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: free cash to offer more for the franchise. So there's
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of negotiating left.
• 7:20
  Speaker 3: This one's easy for us to talk about. I'm a
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: huge fan of Hunger Root. They're delivering groceries that we
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: want and groceries that we didn't know we want but
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: we want.
• 7:29
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, every box that I get from Hunger Root
• 7:32
  Speaker 6: has a new snack in it. Then I'm like, oh,
• 7:34
  Speaker 6: this looks interesting, and then I try it. I'm like oh,
• 7:36
  Speaker 6: I might need some more of those. So they're great
• 7:38
  Speaker 6: at not only getting the groceries you want, but they
• 7:41
  Speaker 6: surprised you with tasty little treats that you didn't.
• 7:43
  Speaker 5: Know you needed.
• 7:44
  Speaker 4: Agreed, turkey jerky.
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: There's like a chocolate pudding thing where I'm like, I'm
• 7:47
  Speaker 3: not a big chocolate pudding fan, than I have it,
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is awesome.
• 7:50
  Speaker 4: So they can cater to your knee.
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: You got gluten free, or you're looking for a certain
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: diet that you want to fulfill, or there are certain
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: items that you love. They learn along with you. You
• 7:59
  Speaker 3: let them know your preferences. They just nail it. Take
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: advantage of the exclusive FT offer. Please, for a limited time,
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: get forty percent off your first box, plus get a
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: free item in every box for life. Go to Hunger
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: dot com slash ft use code FT that's hungryroot dot
• 8:14
  Speaker 3: com slash ft code FT to get forty percent off
• 8:17
  Speaker 3: your first box and a free item of your choice
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: for life.
• 8:21
  Speaker 6: My thing is David. Listen, get a bidding war going
• 8:24
  Speaker 6: between Orlando and Tampa. I mean I live in Orlando.
• 8:26
  Speaker 6: I can throw in a dollar then they are already
• 8:28
  Speaker 6: a dollar ahead of what you're gonna throw in for Tampa,
• 8:31
  Speaker 6: so we're up a dollar already, we win, Okay, right,
• 8:33
  Speaker 6: That's that's what I would do if I was the owner,
• 8:35
  Speaker 6: if I was trying to do this, because Orlando clearly
• 8:37
  Speaker 6: wants a team, would like to have a team. Tampa
• 8:40
  Speaker 6: Bay wants a team, but I don't think Saint Pete works.
• 8:43
  Speaker 6: It's gotta be in Tampa proper. So get a little
• 8:45
  Speaker 6: bitting war and see who wins and they take the
• 8:47
  Speaker 6: But it's got to happen fast, right, because like you said,
• 8:50
  Speaker 6: the Trump is gonna be gone soon and so I
• 8:53
  Speaker 6: don't know.
• 8:53
  Speaker 5: We'll see what happens. It's gonna be fascinating.
• 8:55
  Speaker 6: We're gonna have to have you on talk about this
• 8:56
  Speaker 6: a little more because I'm fascinated by this whole thing. Now,
• 8:58
  Speaker 6: let's talk about you and Whitman, Harryfield, how you guys
• 9:00
  Speaker 6: are best friends, and how you guys are talking about
• 9:03
  Speaker 6: going on your date, like you said, to the movies
• 9:04
  Speaker 6: and all that stuff. Because you listen. I'm a Gator fan.
• 9:08
  Speaker 6: I've watched Jack Cagle on for years. I was like, great,
• 9:11
  Speaker 6: call him up. You had a call had you had
• 9:13
  Speaker 6: a contrasting argument, saying like you should have waited ten
• 9:15
  Speaker 6: to fifteen days or whatever it is.
• 9:17
  Speaker 5: Can you explain why that makes more sense than just
• 9:19
  Speaker 5: calling him up when they did.
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I like, wait, by the way, so if he
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: wants to go on a date, I am all for it.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: And I think people misunderstood what I said because I
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: think Jack is going to be a great player. And
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: if I thought he was going to stink, then who
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: cares when you bring him up because he's not going
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: to make it. But if you have a player who's
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: going to make it to arbitration, if you give that
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: player Super two status, what that means is they have
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: an fourth year of arbitration. What that means, instead of
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: being paid the minimum just call it a million dollars,
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: they're being paid four million dollars. And that's three million
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: dollars spent on a player that you could spend on
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: other players.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: And that's only year one.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: Then year two becomes your second year of arbitration instead
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: of your first. That's another four million extra dollars. So
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: by calling them up when they did, they're risking losing
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: like eight million dollars. And if you're a team like
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: Kansas City, frankly, if you're a team like Boston anybody.
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: You don't throw away that kind of money for an
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: extra two weeks. It just does not make sense. But
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: with I think misunderstood. I was not in any way
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: saying that he's bad. I was saying that you've got
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: to be careful how you allocate your money when you
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: have a limited payroll, which I think he'd agree Kansas
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: City does.
• 10:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, here's my argument. As a player, salary and
• 10:39
  Speaker 5: service time manipulation. You just called it.
• 10:42
  Speaker 6: As a former president owner of a team, you just
• 10:45
  Speaker 6: nailed it to Wait, I thought this never happened though.
• 10:47
  Speaker 5: Wait, you just said that they should have done it.
• 10:49
  Speaker 6: So you're all for service time manipulation and holding guys down.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: There is not one year or one day I didn't
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: think about service time manipulation. And listen, presidents lie about
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: it because they feel like they have to. And I
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: lied about it when I was running a team. The
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: reason why I don't lie about it now is I
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: don't want to run a team again. Did it for
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: eighteen years. But you say manipulation, and that has such
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: a pejorative connotation. I say budget management, and budget management.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you do it on your show, in your business,
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: in your household, as do all your listeners. We all
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: have to work within a budget and figure out how
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: to make every dollar stretch and go longer.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: The rules are the rules.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm not breaking any rules. I'm just telling you
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: that I'm paying attention and that to me, Man, I
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: would be in violation of my fiduciary duty if I
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: didn't do that.
• 11:44
  Speaker 6: Okay, listen, I'm bougie, so I only take Uber blacket
• 11:48
  Speaker 6: so I don't count the pennies and I let other
• 11:49
  Speaker 6: people do that.
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: Trust me.
• 11:50
  Speaker 6: My boss is yell at me when we take road trips.
• 11:53
  Speaker 6: You know, you got to take the Uber whatever, the
• 11:56
  Speaker 6: Uber with three wheel Uber normal two dollars cheaper. So listen,
• 12:00
  Speaker 6: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm all about
• 12:03
  Speaker 6: I'm all about taking the Black hundred.
• 12:05
  Speaker 5: But oh totally.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: But maybe that's why you only have a dollar to
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: invest in the Orlando team.
• 12:13
  Speaker 5: Mmm, that's true. True, I would have two dollars if
• 12:17
  Speaker 5: I didn't take.
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: That fancy cars holding. Yeah.
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: Wait, I have a follow to this, so I know
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: that he hasn't performed well. But let's say he did, right,
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: Let's say they called him up and he was on
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: a absolute tear. And the Royals had a big run
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: over these last couple of weeks and they end up
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: making the playoffs by a game. How much more money
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: could the Royals make if they had an extra playoff
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: series R two? And I know that's not usually the case,
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: but I remember even going back to like Will Myers
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: when he was first called up by the Rays, we
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: were having this discussion because I'm like, this a fringe
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: playoff team. If they hold him back for too long,
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: what if they missed the playoffs? Does that get balanced
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: at all? Where ownership might be like, what if we
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: missed what if we win eighty four games? We missed
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: the we could have made it to the Alcs this
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: year and jack Hags hit ten homers in the first
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: three weeks.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: Listen, if my grandmother had four wheels, should be a bus.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: You'd be silly to budget. Not one team budgets playoffs,
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: and you really don't make money unless you have a
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: bit of a deep run. If you make the wild
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: card and losing the wild Card round A, you may
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: not even get a home game.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: Keep that in mind, because the way.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: They do it is all three games are in one facility.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: And the way you really make some bank is when
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: you get to the LCS and then of course to
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: the World Series, because not only do you make money
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: in the current year, but then you get a tail
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: that lasts to the next season with more season ticket
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: holders and more corporate sponsors. So making the playoffs very good.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: But in baseball, it's not like basketball. It's not like
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: where you bring up a guy and that's going to
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: be the difference. Now, is it possible that that player
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: could be the difference in a couple of games, for sure,
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: but two weeks I'm just not with you. I think
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: the risk is far too great. But we evaluate that
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So with when we won a World Series,
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: you guys may remember we waited till June twentieth or
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: nineteenth to bring up Miguel Cabrera and still won the
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: World Series. Other years we brought up young guys early
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: and we didn't make the playoffs. So it's really hard
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: to predict. As you know, you guys are players, it's
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: hard to predict.
• 14:24
  Speaker 7: I need to hear your viewpoint on the Raffie Dever situation,
• 14:27
  Speaker 7: how it was handled, who handled it the best from
• 14:30
  Speaker 7: both sides and how you would have handled it.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: You've been in a Major league clubhouse, and I know
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: you have, and you're a clubhouse guy. How would you
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: like it if a guy came in the highest paid
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: player and was not willing to do what the team
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: wanted in terms of playing a position. How would you
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: like it if you had the highest paid player who
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: was sort of a turn in the clubhouse. How would
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: you like it if then the player gets traded and
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: ten minutes later said, oh, I'll play the no problem.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: It's really not great. And the truth is it's auditioned
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: by subtraction for the Red Sox and it's auditioned for
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: the Giants, which is why the trade happened. Because the
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Giants get a left handed bat where they haven't had
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: a thirty home run hitter since so for they've an
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: opportunity to be in a division where they're fighting against
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers and the you know, spend like drunken sailor
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: padres hoping for one or two playoff spots, and they
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: needed that sort of bat. And I understand Red Sox
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: fans who are despondent beyond repair, but I'll tell you
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: the Red Sox to me, have a chance to be
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: better in the long term if they added the deadline
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: so that proves they're not giving up on this year,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: and they reallocate the dollars that were given to Devors
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: over all those years for just a dh I think
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: if they do that, then the Red Sox end up
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: on the better end of this.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: It's almost like you work for a team that won
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: a World Series and had star players and traded them
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: all away the next year.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: It's like you've done this.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on. You know what happened.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: We won ninety seven. I wasn't there, so don't blame
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: that on me. Three I was there, And in four
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: we lost Pudge because Detroit offered him that forty for four.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: We weren't going to do that because we thought there
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: was a chance for some weight loss before the next season.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: And two, Derek Lee got expensive, so we moved Derek
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Lee and brought in heasop Choi and we had a
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: good year.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: We just didn't make the playoffs.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: The next year, we signed Delgado, we signed Lighter, we
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: had everybody from three and it just didn't work for us.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Then we traded everyone away before six, and that Ugla
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Hanley run of four years. So I understand that you're
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: saying that, but it's not totally true.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Ninety seven was the true fire. Yeah, but that was
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: that's fair, that's fair.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: That was not me.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: And if you remember, I was not even in baseball
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: at the time Wayne heising I was working at Morgan Stanley,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and I remember Wayne Haizinger saying, and he said it publicly,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care if we win the World Series or
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: don't make the playoffs. We're getting rid of all these
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: players if you do not give me a stadium. And
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Miami did not give them a stadium. They did win
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: the World Series, and he did get rid of all
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the players.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Hey, man of his word.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: He also owned Blockbuster Video one time.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: He owned all the dumpsters right the garbage. Wasn't a
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: waste manager.
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: Blockbuster for a long a lot of he did raved
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: before you go real quick, it's a yes or no
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: answer as a player ever made you so mad as
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: a as an executive that you traded him?
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: No, released, not traded.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: Can't release Rai Devers though.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Nothing personal that he was either going to get traded
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: or DFA. The minute John Henry got on that plane
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to Kansas City. It was O V E. R. John
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to fly to Kansas City to meet with Devers.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I can promise you that.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: No, he's not a barbecue guy. It is. Kansas City
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: has got some sick food. David.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: This was awesome. Always always enjoy it. Welcome back anytime.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Check out.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Nothing personal with David Sampson. Give him a follow on
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: all the socials too. He's great with fan Q and A,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: just like we do here. Thanks David, good catching up man.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Have a great day.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Thanks guys, you too, appreciate you.