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25 - Julie D'Aubigny - The Cross-Dressing, Sword-Swinging, Bisexual Opera Singer · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 3: Couldn't hug my daughter on her birthday. I couldn't, you know,
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  Speaker 3: do cuddle time with the kids, or snuggle on the
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  Speaker 3: couch and watch a movie and you know, just the
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  Speaker 3: basic normal stuff that you want to do with your kids,
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  Speaker 3: you know. But luckily, my first test was negative, so
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  Speaker 3: I gotta get retested, and if the second test comes
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  Speaker 3: up negative, then yay, I can.
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  Speaker 2: Go back to work. But for the next week I
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  Speaker 2: am isolating, which is pain in the arts. But if
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  Speaker 2: having to stay away from other people is the worst
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  Speaker 2: part of this scenario for me, then I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting off pretty fucking lightly, you know. And so to
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  Speaker 2: the topic of today's story, and it's Pride Month, and
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  Speaker 2: in fairness, I really shouldn't need a reason to pick
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  Speaker 2: a queer person to talk about, Like I think we
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  Speaker 2: should be telling stories of LGBTQ plus people all year round,
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  Speaker 2: because like we really need to be more inclusive about
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff. To be honest, I really shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: need an excuse to talk about a queer person.
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  Speaker 4: But it is Pride Month, and so I decided for
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the month, we're gonna talk about LGBTQ
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  Speaker 4: plus people and events and other stuff because I want to,
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  Speaker 4: because it's my podcast, and I'll say what i'll want to.
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  Speaker 4: Oh and the subject of today's story was actually requested
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  Speaker 4: by somebody on my TikTok, and honestly, it was such
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  Speaker 4: a good choice. So we are talking about today the.
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  Speaker 5: Life of Julie d'aubigner, also known as Mademoiselle the bisexual badass,
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  Speaker 5: who honestly, honestly, I think I could do like a
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  Speaker 5: three part series about her own TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: She's just so amazing. But I don't know what you're thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Quit your jibber jabber in fact you and let's get
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  Speaker 2: our sourcea and Okay, so we have the Real Life
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  Speaker 2: of Julie d'aubigner by Kelly Gardner, Julie Daubigner or one
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  Speaker 2: of the Curlest Girls Nestory by C. J. Evans, and
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  Speaker 2: then of course we have the culture Trip Dot com,
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  Speaker 2: Encyclopedia dot com, and the rag dot com. So we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna start at the beginning, and lest we forget women
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  Speaker 2: of the past, no matter how erwordite and exciting, they are,
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  Speaker 2: the times their early life we don't have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of information on. And this is also the case with
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  Speaker 2: Juliet d'aubigner. So I've probably pronounced wrong, and I look
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  Speaker 2: forward to being consistently reminded. So the origins of Julie
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  Speaker 2: are Julie Julie. Julie d'Aubigne entered the world somewhere between
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  Speaker 2: sixteen seventy and sixteen seventy three. Most sources usually use
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  Speaker 2: sixteen seventy three, but there is a discrepancy there because
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  Speaker 2: women in the past our father, Gaston Daubigne. Of course
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  Speaker 2: it's a Gaston. He was a secretary to Louis de
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  Speaker 2: le Rene Greece, Comte d'amagnik, the master of the horse
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  Speaker 2: for King Louis the fourteenth. Like I said, not a
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  Speaker 2: lot is none of it Julie when she's we But
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  Speaker 2: so Gaston her father. He would train the court pages
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  Speaker 2: in preparation for their you know, their life at court.
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  Speaker 2: So while he was training the pages the boys. He
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  Speaker 2: would also train his daughter because you know, he thought,
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  Speaker 2: why am I going to train someone else to teach
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  Speaker 2: her when I could teach you myself. Probably, so these
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  Speaker 2: pages they would learn reading, drawing, literature, and of course fencing.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is going to come in handy for really
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  Speaker 2: way bit in the future, but we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and also small possibility she was also dressing in boys' clothing,
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  Speaker 2: but it's very much a perhaps, and if you're training
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  Speaker 2: someone to do, you know, it was probably handier having
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  Speaker 2: her dressed in proper attire, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: By the time she's fourteen, she ends up in this
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  Speaker 2: affair with her dad's boss. Now I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: out on a limb here and just assume that she
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  Speaker 2: didn't have that much say in the matter. The Count Domignac,
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  Speaker 2: who you know, I think generally any member of the
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  Speaker 2: aristocracy would have a mistress. It was very common at
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  Speaker 2: the time. It was very normal, you know, and it
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  Speaker 2: was probably the point where was actually expected. So it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't surprising that he had a mistress, especially a mistress
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  Speaker 2: who was you know, still a fucking child. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to get into that it was the past.
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  Speaker 2: Just because they did things differently doesn't mean I can't
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  Speaker 2: be disgusted with it. And so in general we think
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  Speaker 2: that in order to preserve the reputation of the young Julie,
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  Speaker 2: which we think was probably requested, which is presumed to be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, urged by her father, the Count arranges for
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  Speaker 2: young Julie to marry Sier de Mopin of Saint Ganmain
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  Speaker 2: only and like and pretty sharpish. After the wedding, actually
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  Speaker 2: pretty sharpish. Her new husband, he magically receives an administrative
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  Speaker 2: position in the south of France, but she stays in
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  Speaker 2: Paris with like I was gonna say her mister, but
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  Speaker 2: that's incorrect. Wait a minute. If she is the mistress
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  Speaker 2: like she is has mistress, the count's mistress, what is
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  Speaker 2: the opposite term, Like, what's the term? If she is
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  Speaker 2: the mistress, what is the count? What is the count
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  Speaker 2: to her? I don't know what. Anyhow, she marries the
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  Speaker 2: Sidin and the very next day, the day after the wedding,
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  Speaker 2: he just manages to get this administrative position and he
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  Speaker 2: is sent to Toulouse in the south of France. So well,
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  Speaker 2: he's working away in to lose Madame Mapin she's actually
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  Speaker 2: staying behind in Paris with the Count. So oh, actually,
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  Speaker 2: now that she's married, her name is Julie Emily de Mapin.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm probably but during her name like fuck
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  Speaker 2: now actually, but anyway, and there are reports of her
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  Speaker 2: going by the name Julia or Emily, but we're just
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  Speaker 2: gonna stick with Julie, I think, just just to keep us,
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  Speaker 2: keep us doing well. Julie was you know, kicking it
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  Speaker 2: about in Paris and Julie. If Julie was any normal
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  Speaker 2: member of the aristocracy, generally, this would be sort of
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  Speaker 2: the area where the story ends as an arranged marriage
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  Speaker 2: continues mistressing. I feel like, what it just feels wrong
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  Speaker 2: because like the opposite of Mistress's master, but mistress sounds
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  Speaker 2: more submissive. I'm sorry, it just I know I'm sticking
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  Speaker 2: on it, but it's just feeling wrong. So young Jually
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  Speaker 2: she is, so around about sixteen eighty seven, Madame de
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  Speaker 2: Montpin is growing a little tired of the Count or
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  Speaker 2: he's grown tired with her. Either way, she becomes involved
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  Speaker 2: with the assistant fencing matter Celane. So unfortunately, there's this
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  Speaker 2: teeny tiny incident where Saran kills a man in an
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  Speaker 2: illegal due, and the Lieutenant General of Police, Gabriel Nicola
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  Speaker 2: del Reni, tries to arrest Celanne for you know, killing
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  Speaker 2: a man in an illegal due. But you know, these
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  Speaker 2: two love parts, they're like, mmm, I don't think I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna do this. And instead of letting Saran be apprehended
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  Speaker 2: by the cops, the army, instead of letting Sarand be
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  Speaker 2: apprehended by the authorities, the two of them decide to
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  Speaker 2: upship and fuck off. So they flee Paris, they get
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  Speaker 2: the hell at a dodge and off they flee to Marseille.
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  Speaker 2: So as their journey in South, obviously they need to
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  Speaker 2: have income, and surprisingly they actually do this through legitimate means.
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  Speaker 6: They're giving fencing competitions, they're singing, they're doing shows, they're
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  Speaker 6: in taverns, they're at local fairs, and reportedly, as they're
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  Speaker 6: doing this, Julie was dressed in male clothing.
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  Speaker 2: This is generally where we get the records of her
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  Speaker 2: like cross dressing, you know, which in fairness, probably makes
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  Speaker 2: more sense. You know, if you're traveling that distances, it
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  Speaker 2: was probably easier to wear male clothing than it was
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  Speaker 2: female a lot of the time. So, like it seems
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  Speaker 2: very much that it was either a bit you know,
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  Speaker 2: like haha, I am in men's clothing, hear me sing,
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  Speaker 2: or it was just like a more kinven option, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because the whole thing about her dressing in men's clothing
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  Speaker 2: is she doesn't hide the fact that she's a woman.
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  Speaker 2: She's billed as a woman, she makes no attempt to
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  Speaker 2: hide the fact that she's a woman. So at one
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  Speaker 2: point during a dueling competition, she starts getting heckled, and
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  Speaker 2: this dude is like, m women couldn't personally duel as
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  Speaker 2: well as that I'm paraphrasing, and she's like, oh, Alice,
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  Speaker 2: you a titi quoso and she opens her blouse, which, surprise, surprise,
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  Speaker 2: stuns the man into silence. So when they eventually arrive
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  Speaker 2: in Marseille, she joins this opera company run by Pia Goudie,
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  Speaker 2: and she's not singing under like Madame Lamapa at this point,
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  Speaker 2: she's still singing under her maiden name, Julie Daubigne. By
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  Speaker 2: all accounts, really is this fantastic opera singer. However, she
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  Speaker 2: couldn't read music, but that's not that uncommon even now.
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  Speaker 2: Even though she couldn't read music, she had such a
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  Speaker 2: fantastic memory that it didn't really cost her too many problems,
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  Speaker 2: and adding to that, you know, she's a really good actress,
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  Speaker 2: she's talented, she's fucking beautiful. She becomes the et girl
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  Speaker 2: and Marseilles. She's doing really well. So at some point
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  Speaker 2: the love affair with Sarene, it just fizzles out and
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  Speaker 2: Julie falls in love with another woman, you know, which
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  Speaker 2: shocking for the time. But what is more shocking is
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  Speaker 2: the fact that neither of the women had this relationship
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  Speaker 2: from the women's parents, and they were like, oh no,
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  Speaker 2: fuck this for a game of soldiers. They take the
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  Speaker 2: women and they send her away to an honne. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: They put her in the visitandin convent in Avignon, thinking hah,
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  Speaker 2: they say, for her protection. Julie's like kay, completely undeterred
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  Speaker 2: by the fact that her girlfriend's being chocked in an honorary.
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  Speaker 2: Being the badass bisexual Julian Dava we know and love,
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  Speaker 2: she follows her girlfriend to the convent in Avignon, takes
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  Speaker 2: holy vows, disguises herself as a postulant, and enters the
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  Speaker 2: nunnery in disguise, and when she gets in there, she
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  Speaker 2: finds her best girl, and they ploted their escape and then,
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  Speaker 2: in a crazy random happenstances, the ladies seize an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: when an elderly nun passes away. So you know, they
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  Speaker 2: do the old you know, the bait and switch. They
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  Speaker 2: take the nun corpse and they put it in the
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  Speaker 2: bed of her girlfriend. And you think, fair enough that
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  Speaker 2: I'll buy you sometime, But oh no, she has to
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  Speaker 2: take it one fucking step further, doesn't She Just to
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  Speaker 2: add an extra layer. July wants to add a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of spice, And after they place the nun corpse
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  Speaker 2: in the bed, Julie sets the building on fire and
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  Speaker 2: then the two flee and the two of them escape
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  Speaker 2: the town like she breaks into a nunnery, does a
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  Speaker 2: body swap, sets it on fire, and steals back her girl.
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  Speaker 2: So after this grandest of grand gestures, about three months
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  Speaker 2: in the relationship ends and this young lady returns to
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  Speaker 2: her family. She goes back and Julie is charged and
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  Speaker 2: even though she's not there, a court charges her in
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  Speaker 2: absentia basically, and they try her as a male and
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  Speaker 2: probably because of like a mashup of two things, the
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  Speaker 2: first being that it would have shamed the family like
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  Speaker 2: a known lesbian affair would have shamed you know, the
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  Speaker 2: woman in her family. And also and the patriarchy, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: especially back then, had trouble thinking that a woman could
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  Speaker 2: do anything, especially something like this. So Julie is charged
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  Speaker 2: with kidnapping, body snatching arson and failing to appear before
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  Speaker 2: the tribunal, and she is sentenced to death, and that
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  Speaker 2: death is death by fire. And Julie's gone back to
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  Speaker 2: her life of singing and dueling and wandering about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: working her way back to Paris, and she ends up
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  Speaker 2: dueling with a young man, stabbing him through the shoulder
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  Speaker 2: with her sword and you know, kicking his ass. She's
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  Speaker 2: she decides to be the bigger person and helps him
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  Speaker 2: with his booboo, nurses him back to health, and they
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  Speaker 2: become good friends, possibly lovers. Do we know, No, do
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  Speaker 2: we care? No, we fucking do not. So she is
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  Speaker 2: heading back to Paris. She's got her you know, she's
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  Speaker 2: got her vision board up. She is sitting her sights
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  Speaker 2: on the Paris Opera and she's like retraining and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So she's refining her craft. So near Poitier, she meets
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  Speaker 2: this old actor called Marachelle to help train her. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't end well because he's a raging alcoholic and
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  Speaker 2: it just takes over his entire life. And Julie does
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  Speaker 2: the completely sane and reasonable thing and gets fuck out
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  Speaker 2: of there. So she leaves and takes the opera singer
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  Speaker 2: Gabrielle Vunson Devinard as a lover. So when she reaches Paris,
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  Speaker 2: she finds out there's a warrant out for her you
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  Speaker 2: know death. So because this deathborn is still out in
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  Speaker 2: her head, she goes back to Comte Magnac, who somehow,
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  Speaker 2: I'd say, somehow she convinced him. She convinced him to
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  Speaker 2: talk to the king. The count talks to the king.
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  Speaker 2: He petitions King Louis the Fourteenth for Julie to be
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  Speaker 2: fully pardoned, and Louis apparently found the tales of all
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  Speaker 2: her exploits fucking hilarious, and he's like, this is good.
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  Speaker 2: You're absolutely boop done you find So Julie gets accepted
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  Speaker 2: into the Paris Opera, although initially she was rejected. She'd
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  Speaker 2: gets in, gets hired in sixteen ninety. I mean, she
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  Speaker 2: was talented, We know she was talented, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: she used everything she could. At her disposal, she befriends
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  Speaker 2: this elderly singer Bevar and you know her lover. They
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  Speaker 2: convince Jean Degolade Froncin, master of the King's Household, to
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  Speaker 2: accept her into the company. And while she's at the
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  Speaker 2: Paris Opera, she plays bunch of roles. You know, she's
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  Speaker 2: performing regularly. She's in Paras Atena Cadness, at Hermione. She
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  Speaker 2: starts off second as a soprano, but then she moves
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  Speaker 2: back to her normal contralto range. I'll be honest with you,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what a contralto is. I'm assuming it's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit lower than soprano. Oh is that with it?
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  Speaker 2: Is that? What? Just what everybody calls an alto, because
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  Speaker 2: that's like a little bi lau. Not that I'm an alto.
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  Speaker 2: I have no range or power. So when she's performing
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  Speaker 2: in Paris, she does so under the name Madame de Mapin,
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  Speaker 2: because I mean, that's technicle her name. And also, let's
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  Speaker 2: face it, one we do love a bit of a liituation.
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  Speaker 2: And two, all performers in the opera, like all of
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the ladies who performed in the opera, they would be
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  Speaker 2: known as madame. They would always preferred to as madame,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: not mademoiselle. So while she's in the opera, she takes
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of lovers male female, whatever tickle to her fancy,
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  Speaker 2: and so audience has loved her. But like a lit
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  Speaker 2: of actors and actresses, and I'm a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: other players think their relationship with somewhat mum fractious to pestuous.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Louis Gallon Dumisney, he was by all accounts,
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  Speaker 2: a lecherous piece of shit, and he was constantly pestering
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  Speaker 2: women members of the trip. And he also called really
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  Speaker 2: some kind of slur and I'm not sure which sir
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  Speaker 2: it was, but he was calling her something. So after
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  Speaker 2: he's been a told nat or creep to her and
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: she's like, no, thank you. She ends up challenging him
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  Speaker 2: to a due and the other actress have to like
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  Speaker 2: intervene and you know, diffuse the whole situation. But later
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: that night Julie waits outside the theater and beats this
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  Speaker 2: shit out of him with her cane, steals his watch,
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  Speaker 2: and steals his snuffbox. And the very next day he
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  Speaker 2: comes in and he's like, oh, nah, I was mugged, well,
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  Speaker 2: I was mugged, but all of these men, these strong
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  Speaker 2: men who took me on, so many men, and Julie's like,
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  Speaker 2: ahaa no, and she presents all of her trophies from
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  Speaker 2: her previous night's endeavors and he is literally laughed off
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  Speaker 2: of the stage. And this is something she continues to
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  Speaker 2: do in the future because SHELI take trinkets, trophies because
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  Speaker 2: men would often refuse to admit that they had been
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  Speaker 2: beaten in a fencing duel by her. Oh and Julia
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  Speaker 2: apparently falls in love with a thunshown Morreau, who is
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  Speaker 2: a singer but also the mistress of the Grand Dauphin,
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  Speaker 2: and is rejected by Moreau. And when she's rejected by Moreau,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: she tries to end her own life, and thankfully, thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't succeed. So in sixteen ninety five, Julie attends
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  Speaker 2: this ball hosted by Philippe, the Duke of Orleans, who's
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  Speaker 2: kingly of the fourteenth brother and she arrives dressed as
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  Speaker 2: a man, and she kisses a young woman on the
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  Speaker 2: dance floor, and immediately upon kissing this woman, Julie is
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  Speaker 2: challenged to a due by three men and naturally being
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  Speaker 2: fucking Julie d'Aubigny, she accepts the woman who feels no man.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently she's like, fuck it, yeah, I'll take you on.
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  Speaker 2: She goes all d'Artagnan on them and decides to take
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  Speaker 2: on all three. Wait a minute, I wonder if that
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  Speaker 2: was inspired by no three Musketeers fight. Couldn't it be
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  Speaker 2: under the midlight? Julie takes on all three men by
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the sin by the Sinne river. I'm not sure if
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: she wounded or killed them all that. It's kind of fuzzy.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: And as we know from before with Son, the honored
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: dueling thing was just like not a thing anymore. It
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: was very much fucking illegal and depending on the circumstances,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: you know, you could be sentenced to death because an
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: honored dueling was basically seen as a challenge to royal
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: authority and everything was supposed to be said told by
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the King's laws, not stabby stabby. So she has to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: flee Paris again. So she buggers off to Brussels and
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: becomes the lover Maximilian Ilemmanuel, the Elector of Bavaria, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: she's apparently just too much for him to handle, and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: he offers her straight up, He offers her forty thousand
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: francs to just leave, and she is pissed off at this,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and honestly, I think I would I think I too
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: would be this petty. She threw the money directly back
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: at his crutch and was like, fuck this, fuck that,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: fuck you, fuck off, and off she does. Fuck to Madrid.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: So she goes to work, and she ends up working
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: as a lady's maid to the Countess Marino, and the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: two of them absolutely despise each other, and she, you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: ends up returning back to France and the king pardons
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: her a second fucking time because the dueling laws only
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: applied to men, so the misogy worked in her favor again.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And so like, you know, she's had two gardens, she's
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: traveled Europe, she's stabbed a lot of men, and she's like,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: maybe I'll try settle down. Also, in addition, furthermore, she
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: even reunites with her husband, Selma Fan from way back.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: They're still married. She's like, hey, let's reconcile. But she
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: personally within herself is not settled down, so she is
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: fighting with other actors. She threatens to shoot a duchess
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: attacks her landlord bites you know, her old lover Divin
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that hard enough that he's actually bleeding on stage, and
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: she even stabs herself with a real dagger during a
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: stage performance, like she goes full method, total Johnny Depp,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and then finally really found someone who makes her feel
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: probably as close to content as she can be. She
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: falls in love with Madam quest To floren Sac, who
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: was known as the most beautiful woman in France, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: according to the accounts of the time, they lived together
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: in perfect harmony, and their relationship lasted much much longer
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: than most of her other relationships in fairness, and they
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: were together for two years until Florencea. She dies from
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: a fever and died of everything that has happened to
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: June Daubigny throughout her life. This, this is the thing
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that breaks her. So she is inconsolable and she retires
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: from the opera in seventeen oh five, and in a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: crazy random happenstance, she takes refuge in a convent in
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Provence and there she remains for two years when she
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: dies at the age of thirty three. Shit, that's how
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: old I am? What the fuck? And thirty three is
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: pretty young to pass, especially when you're in a convent
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and we don't know what her cause of death was
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: or where she's buried. There's no known great for her,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and it seems like for quite a lot of history,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: history tried to forget her. And that is the story
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: of Julie d'aubignier, the opera singing bisexual badass Duellist. So
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: what have we learned today? We learned that gender nonconformity
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: isn't new, that it's always good to have a talent
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you can fall back on or other people can fall
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: back onto. Grand gestures like stealing a woman from a
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: convent is only a romantic gesture if you have equal
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: levels of affection and commitment and things like that. If
• 23:36
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• 23:49
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• 23:54
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• 24:00
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  Speaker 2: the show again. It is shout out time. I just
• 24:20
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• 24:23
  Speaker 2: of the show and have been just so fucking amazing.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: So I want to say a big, big thank you
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to Rachel from Cornwall. Welcome to the Guild of Historical Descent.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: You're awesome. And I also want to say a big
• 24:38
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• 24:44
  Speaker 2: And the links are all into the show notes. But
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I always feel strange talking about patron because it feels
• 24:50
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• 24:56
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• 25:00
  Speaker 1: The links are in the show.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Notes and yeah, and now before we go, it's time
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: for recommendations. I've been reading a book by Ben Hubbard
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: which is all about poison like that, and it's just
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: for research purposes absolutely, you know, for history stuff. I'm
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: not planning to poison anybody. It's fits for research or promise.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And for my enemies, she says on the podcast to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: watching I watched.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Bou Burnham's Inside, and frankly, I mean.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: It's comedy, but it's it's comedy in the way that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that a mental breakdown is funny, which which is not
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: usually funny unless you've you've had one, which I think
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: as well, when you're watching it is that you need
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to be like really aware that everything we see is curated,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: like it's curated and created specifically for us to view.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And I think we need to take that into consideration
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: when sort of absorb, absorb, absorbing this this content and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: yeah and listening, Yeah, I'm I'm back to small town murder.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I just those boys. Those boys help me sleep, probably
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: really really weird, but they do. They help me sleep.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm gonna say goodbye and bid you a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: jew and adios or revoir.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Of waere is them my friends? Bye bye