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American Immigration - The Story You Likely Do Not Know · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  There we go. It's third hour now in our twenty third year The Morning
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  Show with Preston Scott, Grant Allen over there, I'm here and I am
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  joined by doctor Ed Moore. Time for a little more history. Hello,
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  sir, how are you? I'm good. I think I've been doing this
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  for around nineteen years of that twenty was it three years in or was it
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  I think it was four or five because it was Eric Eggers that introduced us.
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  Yeah, it was around two thousand and five. That might have been
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  at the beginning of the Egger's reign. Yeah, I know it was in
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  this studio. It was when we moved in here and here. Yeah,
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  yeah, so I'm pretty sure it would have been two thousand and five or
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  six. So anyway, we welcome you once again. Put that on my
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  wall somewhere, you know. So we have been talking about pioneers and explorers
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  of this country and it kind of it's it's an untold part of that whole
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  story because America is is a land of immigrants. Yeah, but adopting a
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  common set of values, at least we used to sort of kind of do
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  that. We always fooled ourselves into believing that, Yes, yeah, what
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  caused you to want to take this route? This day, I was watching
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  one of the news shows and I don't do that talking. You know,
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  they were talking about immigration. I thought, you know, one of the
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  things we need to take a pause in how we acquired all the lands to
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  create the United States and think about where all the people came from. And
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  you know, essentially, I mean everybody at some point in time has a
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  history of an ancestor absolutely from somewhere else. Right, even the original colonials,
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  they were, you know, disparate, more disparate than most people give
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  them credit for being. Usually they think of, oh, they were all
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  English Durst, you know, No, they weren't. No, they were
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  sort of Irish Scott. I mean, there was northern Europe predominantly, but
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  kind of from all over and a little bit out of the east. You
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  know, Germans were here. And then of course when the Brits used Hessian
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  soldiers in the Revolution, well they didn't all go home. They stayed here,
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  and then they attracted their relatives to come here. So over the time,
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  it's immigration has been a good part of our history. And you always
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  hear people go, well, you know, they all used to go through
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  Ellis Island, and the reality on that is, no, they didn't.
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  That didn't really start until the eighteen nineties. It was in an Irish lady
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  young lady Anymore was the first one to sign the book at Ellis Island,
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  relative of yours. No, I don't think so now, but eighteen ninety
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  one when that started, I believe January of ninety one when they actually started
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  trying to track at least in New York Harbor. But people would still were
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  coming in through Boston or Philadelphia, wherever they could get off a boat on
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  the rivers and come into America or come down from Canada, which was a
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  very common thing. When did the term legal immigrant or I mean, when
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  did that all begin? When was immigration into this country a process of legality
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  from the very beginning. Actually, they were trying to control on it the
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  Constitution under Article two, Section eight. It doesn't really give that power to
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  Washington. One of the things that I really encouraged people to read on this
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  history because it's really fascinating the first fifty to years or so states controlled with
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  acquiescence from the federal government. Because it's one of those powers that has been
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  given into Congress by interpretation by Supreme courts over the years, they didn't.
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  But in the lifetime of the Founders, because the Founders span of life really
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  ran through the thirty years. Yeah, they started getting concerned about immigration in
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  the seventeen nineties more so than any other time, as our governance started.
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  Yeah, you know, you had the Alien and Sedition Acts in seventeen ninety
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  eight, I think, and one of which there was four acts, and
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  one of which the Alien Enemies Act, is still in place today and still
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  used today, which is kind of interesting. The other three were felled into
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  disfavor, particularly the Sedition Act as being unconstitutional, but the Alien Enemies Act
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  is still kind of in place today, and presidents over time have used that.
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  When they in turned the Japanese that World War Two, they were using
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  an act pass in seventeen ninety eight to give the federal government authority to do
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  that. So, you know, the more things change, the more they
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  say the same. I've said that to you before. When you go through
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  two hundred plus years of history, they dealt with the same issues we are
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  dealing with today. And after the break, we'll talk about Mexico and how
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  that came about. We're talking immigration through history looking at a very common topic,
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  a hot topic, a troublesome topic, but through the lens of history.
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  Yeah. The Cato Institute actually has a great study online if people want
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  to read it, on the history of immigration in America. My view on
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  it. The more I look at it, I realized that it's been convenient
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  not to solve and really get a handle right up to today. It's convenient
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  not to solve various reasons. You think about World War One, world War
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  Two, particularly like World War One, from say eighteen ninety to nineteen thirty,
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  huge waves of immigrants came to America, and they still the Irish were
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  coming in, but then it switched over and it was the Germans and the
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  Italians and people fleeing evolving fascist type governments were coming here and they would settle.
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  If you look at settlement in America, it's a whole different story.
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  Even the Germans came here, a lot of them went to the Midwest and
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  the Upper Midwest. They came from northern Europe. They were up and you're
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  part of the world up in Minnesota and those areas, and once people settled,
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  their families would come. US policy on immigration over the years change emphasis
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  changed. Initially it was worker oriented, we need certain kinds of people.
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  Then they moved over to family. If you had a person here that you
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  were related to, you'd moved to the front of the line to be able
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  to come over here. Spouses, children, and parents. That would change
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  a lot. You know, there's three ways to become a citizen in the
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  United States in statute, and one is by the soil jose lee that you
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  were born here. If you're born here, and there's probably only thirty seven
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  and thirty eight countries in the world that grant you citizenship by birth if you
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  happen to be born here, even if your parents are foreign, you're a
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  US citizen. There's by blood if you travel overseas and your spouse is pregnant
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  and has a baby in Rome, there's still a US citizen because you are
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  a US citizen. And then there's by the pledge of Allegiance where you swear
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  allegiance of the country, which is the normal naturalization process. But the whole
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  history of it is that who was coming here. Great Britain used immigration to
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  get rid of they called it transportation. Was the actual term use were undesirables,
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  criminals, people that you really don't want around in your country anymore.
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  Send them to the colonies, or send them to Australia, which was a
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  criminal thing. Georgia was basically a penal colony in the early days and all
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  those people were used as farmly. If you transpose that to the modern era
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  now and look what's occurring with people coming across our border. What do you
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  think a lot of those countries are doing with their undesirables When you hear stories
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  of Venezuela, Yeah, Venezuela immediately came to mind. Yeah, emptying their
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  prisons, send them to America. That's been done before. Nothing new under
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  the sun. That's the difference being we have the ability to curtail it if
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  we chose to, and we knew who was coming. And there's a huge
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  difference to sure. Once you start or stop paying attention to who is coming
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  across your border, then you've lost control. And that's that's pretty much where
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  we are today. And that's how it was kind of early. I mean,
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  the ships came in, you got off the boat, and you know,
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  you walked ashore and there was Granny over there or whatever, and you
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  had a place to live, you know, and even if she was a
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  criminal from the other part of the world, it didn't matter. And a
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  lot of those criminals were debtors, you know. Sure, they just couldn't
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  pay their bills, so the chiefs got to get them out here, right.
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  My family came over in a number of different ways. Indentured servitude was
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  a common way back in the sixteen hundreds and seventeen hundreds. That's how my
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  headbright in America came here. As an indentured servant. You came in,
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  people would pay your bail and pay your way over, and you had to
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  work for them for a period of years. You know, it's frightening,
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  folks. He hasn't even looked at his notes. Doctor edmore with us more
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  to come on the morning show, prest Scott. Oh, we just had
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  a little funny there, Doctor d Moore with us. When we talk about
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  immigration, it's almost impossible to say the word. And as much as we're
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  trying to focus on the history of it, everyone's mind goes to the southern
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  border and what's happening, right, yeah, yeah, And the history is
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  different, I mean different phases of our history. We had mostly North and
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  Western Europeans coming. There was a period where the Chinese were all coming over
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  to California to do the menial work, and they needed the work. My
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  view is the US government has never really wanted to solve the immigration crisis or
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  issue it's been inc Why because it's been a convenient tool to use in times
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  of need. Okay, World War one, world War two, when all
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  the young Americans were all fighting somewhere. They needed cheap labor. They needed
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  people to work the farms and work the factories and do that kind of work.
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  Okay, so they brought people in. One of them. Did we
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  bring people in? Did we just well, cottage industries would create it,
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  okay. And now we've got the you know, the different groups down in
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  Mexico that are getting paid to bring them in. Uh me and the cartels,
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  Yeah, yeah, those guys, and then the NGOs that also get
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  paid absolutely help them when they come in. So, you know, it
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  becomes industry and then that and then what happens is you create a culture of
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  groups out there advocating for more immigration and more money funding more. Was there
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  a pivot pointed in in in the US as it relates to the southern border.
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  Uh yeah, Actually, we created a program called the Brassero program that
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  to get farm workers to come in and they were up two million, four
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  million a year coming in through this brosero where they would they would have papers,
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  they were supposed to be coming in to do certain work, generally farm
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  work. This World War two emphasis here, and during the Brasserra program it
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  I think it was around nineteen forty seven that they shut it off. And
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  when they shut it off, government generally doesn't think ahead. Here, they
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  create a program and a pipeline and things for people to start coming and thinking,
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  oh, there's an opportunity I can make some money, send some money
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  home. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that, and
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  then you just shut it off. Well, what happened right after they shut
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  it off was illegal immigration went through the roof because they were used to coming.
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  Businesses were used to being able to hire them cheap labor, so they
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  would keep hiring them even though they were illegal because there really wasn't much enforcement
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  going on. Feds figured it out, and you're going to love this one.
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  They figured it out, my eyes, and they went, oh,
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  we were capturing a million two million a year and sending them back, sending
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  them back, and then Finally somebody somewhere went, oh, you know what,
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  we can restart a different Brassero program, but we've got to get rid
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  of these illegals. What they would They had a program they actually called the
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  wetback program, I remember, and they would take them back down to the
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  border and say, okay, go back across the bridge. Put one foot
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  back in Mexico. You're illegal. We're kicking you out. Come back across
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  the bridge. We'll give you papers. You're back in the Brasero. You're
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  legal. Now you can go to work. Federal government was doing that.
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  I mean, so we've been a mess since day one in handling these kinds
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  of issues. You're talking about millions of people coming this way. Now,
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  we got people coming across by the millions. We have no idea who's coming
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  really, what their intent purpose is being here. Well, we know the
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  intent and purpose of some of some. Yeah, and and they're still amongst
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  all of those. And this is when you get into there's people that have
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  always been coming searching for something better or the land of opportunity, where a
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  land where government's not supposed to strangle you and cut things off. That's what
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  attracts people here most people here, the people that come here that come from
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  true oppressive areas and regimes, they come and they fight vociferously and strenuously for
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  the ideals that make America America, or and pulling shows out as well right
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  now. And when you look at the Hispanic Americans when they try to pull
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  them independently, increasingly they're moving towards conservatives. Trump's numbers with them has gone
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  through the roof, of course, and it's because the ones that are here
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  legally or maybe their head right was illegal initially, but over the years they've
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  had families and children. They want opportunity, and that's why we're here.
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  And that's why it's a difficult issue to settle your way through, because how
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  do you sort out the people who came here with a need or maybe had
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  a problem back home. Well, I know what I would do. I'd
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  take all the Berkeley grads and professors on the left coast and I'd kick them
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  out of the country and make all the room in the world for the migrants
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  who want to be here legally. That'd be interesting. Then a migrant professor,
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  Hey, you could do that. It couldn't be worse than some of
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  these people out there that's true as always, thank you great to be here,
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  doctor Ed Moore. With US Immigration, I think I would title this
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  the more Things Change, the more things stay the same. As he said
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  earlier, it's yeah more with two o's thank you, Thank you, Ed,
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  doctor Ed Moore in the Morning Show with Preston Scott