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Ep. 156: Battle Scars · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is an eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
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  Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening. Don't make
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  Speaker 1: me eat the podcast. You can't predict anything. Oh listen,
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  Speaker 1: there you go, boys, how y'all he's fired up to night.
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  Speaker 1: I feel the energy sacramental. What's up, guys is? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: I got a couple people I want to ask about.
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  Speaker 1: Larry Costigo here, Yeah, what's your wife's name? We'll get
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  Speaker 1: to that. Uh. Um and uh, Greg Fonts, you guys
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  Speaker 1: know you guys know the Free Dive Shop West Sacramento. Right, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna do a bunch of things to night. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do our normal show. Um. Then we're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: a thing that we're doing at our live shows, which
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  Speaker 1: is called two Lies in the Truth a k a.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing through the bullshit, Seeing through the bullshit. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: we already picked a seat number before any of you
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  Speaker 1: have to trust us that we just randomly selected a
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  Speaker 1: seat number. Do you remember what it is, Steve? Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember what it is? And that person will get
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  Speaker 1: to play the game. Uh, so we're gonna do that.
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  Speaker 1: Get a lot of interesting emails from California all the time.
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  Speaker 1: When I think about is It's like what wasn't I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure whether there was a laugh there. It's like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a lovable kind of nuthouse around here. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The uber driver. I was with the uber driver this
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  Speaker 1: morning and he got kind of circumspect for a minute.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote it down what he said to me. He says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the problem with California's We've got too many
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  Speaker 1: fucking crazy people. He were not long ago. We get
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  Speaker 1: an email from a guy not long ago who was
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  Speaker 1: complaining about they had to go get a mountain lion
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  Speaker 1: depredation permit because the mountain lion is wiping out his ostriches,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it's an our seat in the news too,
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  Speaker 1: Like you guys just have your own special set of things.
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  Speaker 1: There was I was reading an article do you guys
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  Speaker 1: now have There's an article in National Geographic talking about
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  Speaker 1: how you guys now have like the world's only population
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  Speaker 1: of blue eyed coyotes, which feels so intensely California, like
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  Speaker 1: there's no there's like no way that Nebraska right is
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  Speaker 1: gonna have blue eyed and Chuck Taylors and and of
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  Speaker 1: course National Geographic manages to spin the fact that California
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  Speaker 1: has blue eyed coyotes into an anti hunting article. It's
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  Speaker 1: like if they did an article about my mom's cookies
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  Speaker 1: and the end they'd be like, you know, people shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: really be able to hunt. I was reading not long
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of people wrote in this guy, I
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  Speaker 1: want to get this place? Why Rio del Mar? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's the beach you're laughing about? New can Beach. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's California. You're crazy, right, Therapy Can Beach, Beer Camp
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  Speaker 1: Beach and a d dude recently shot. That's the time
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  Speaker 1: I've ever heard of this. A man. Uh, he was
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  Speaker 1: fined for this shot and killed a great white shark
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  Speaker 1: with a twenty two rifle off Beer Camp Beach, over
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  Speaker 1: five hundred pounds, over nine ft tall, nine ft long.
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  Speaker 1: The guy only get so this is the international like
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  Speaker 1: it's international conservation status of the great whitest vulnerable. The
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  Speaker 1: guy gets only a five thousand dollar fine. Hold on,
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  Speaker 1: are we playing that game right now? And it was
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  Speaker 1: it washes up on the beach. People are like laying
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  Speaker 1: down with it and taking pictures of it, and it
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  Speaker 1: looks totally fine. But they did a knee cropsy on
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  Speaker 1: it and had a and a guy that had had
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  Speaker 1: shot at three times with a twenty two. He was fishing.
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  Speaker 1: He's a commercial fisherman. Disney doesn't even lose his license. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: shoots it three times with twenty two. One of the
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  Speaker 1: shots separates the backbone. Hit hit it through the spine,
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  Speaker 1: kills it. Washes up on a beach. They do knee
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  Speaker 1: crops and find three twenty two rounds in it. Someone's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there was a guy or like some squad fishermen are out,
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  Speaker 1: they go and find him. They find the exact rifle
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  Speaker 1: behind his seat, destroy the rifle and only a five
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollar fine, two years probation, two years of probation.
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  Speaker 1: He did get probation, he did two years from fishing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't see that because we were being an
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  Speaker 1: article recently in Ohio. They're they're they're harder in Ohio
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  Speaker 1: for catching yellow perch than they are here for great
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  Speaker 1: white sharks. There's been no yellow perch movies I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: It's great. Instead of jaws, it's called little lips. I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about this case from it, this Ohio case,
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  Speaker 1: because it was it's like, uh, this big poaching case
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  Speaker 1: that came out. It's called why is it called the
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  Speaker 1: north Shore north coast, North Coast, but it's the south
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  Speaker 1: coast of Lake Erie where this occurred. Cover. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like a case where poaching gets so bad that
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  Speaker 1: they that it actually earns the term racketeering. The largest
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  Speaker 1: poaching case ever for Ohio Department and Natural Resources. They
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  Speaker 1: wind up it's racketeering. So they wind up confiscating ninety
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  Speaker 1: six deer in Turkey mounts, thirty five sets of antlers,
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  Speaker 1: two dred pounds of flayed sport fish, four hundred pounds
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  Speaker 1: of dbone venison, and process dear meat. And here's what
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  Speaker 1: it gets interesting is that the racketeering ring is a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch. There's like forty some people involved in this.
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  Speaker 1: They shoot hundreds of deer, bone the meat out and
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  Speaker 1: take it to what's the guy smoking team and have
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  Speaker 1: over the course of investigation, they take two thousand pounds
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  Speaker 1: of deer meat down and turn it all into what
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  Speaker 1: they call smokey's, so like smoke sticks. The processor then
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  Speaker 1: sells the smokey sticks and they use the money to
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  Speaker 1: buy to get their own ship stuffed. Is like this ring,
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  Speaker 1: and so they're there, which earned them a money laundering
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  Speaker 1: citation in there as well. Yeah, and communications fraud because
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  Speaker 1: they would just shooting dear but then have like their
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  Speaker 1: old lady called the deer in and act like she
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  Speaker 1: got it, which makes it communications fraud and racketeering money. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The smoking tease, he gets it for money laundering because
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  Speaker 1: he's converting poached deer into smokey's, which I didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know that term. They use smokey's in the article in
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  Speaker 1: quotes one of these guys, he gets, uh, twenty two
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  Speaker 1: months in prison. He can't hunt, fish or trap until.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even do that much math um. Another guy
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  Speaker 1: who in the same like racketeering ring, he goes out
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  Speaker 1: and catches a bunch of walleye in lake Erie, takes
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  Speaker 1: him in alive well, enters a walleye fishing context on
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  Speaker 1: the river when and then he gets fraud. He gets
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  Speaker 1: fraud by their theft by deception and has to pay
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  Speaker 1: the bait and tackle shot back their money. Another dude
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  Speaker 1: get he sells to undercover agents a hundred pounds of
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  Speaker 1: perch and Wally and bass Filat's two investigators. In all,
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  Speaker 1: it's forty six defendants charged with ninety one felonies seventy
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  Speaker 1: three misdemeanors, forty six individuals assessed to combine one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty one thousand, seven hundred sixty three and fines
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  Speaker 1: and restitution eight point six years jail time, seventy nine
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  Speaker 1: years of hunting revocation, and eighteen thousand in court costs.
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  Speaker 1: These sounds like the dudes I grew up with, though,
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  Speaker 1: but nothing ever having on It was like kind of
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  Speaker 1: like the dudes my my dad fished with dudes that
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  Speaker 1: would But John Garry I could say his names. He's dead. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: One day he was like flame perch and he was
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  Speaker 1: telling me how he the U was telling me about
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  Speaker 1: where he sells his perch flats, and he said he
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  Speaker 1: was telling me that whenever you sell him flays, he's
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  Speaker 1: always got his thumb on the scale, and he says
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  Speaker 1: the when you're buying something from him, he's got this
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  Speaker 1: finger under the scale. But yeah, these guys like it's
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  Speaker 1: like I remember this John Gary. He was right down.
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  Speaker 1: He had a notepad and he'd write down every book
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  Speaker 1: he read, and he'd write down what happened every day
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  Speaker 1: he fished. And this guy would fit. Everyone likes to
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  Speaker 1: say they fished two hund days a year. But this
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  Speaker 1: guy would legitimately fish two hundred days a year, but
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  Speaker 1: he lived by himself. There's no way to account for
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  Speaker 1: all the pan fish he caught. And he was just
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  Speaker 1: like a UM racketeer. We had to look up what
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  Speaker 1: racketeer meant. We want to make sure that that applied
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  Speaker 1: in this case. Yeah, it's like, uh, basically an unlicensed
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  Speaker 1: business with the intent too kind of deceived. I guess
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  Speaker 1: like you have a of crime business. Seems like we
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  Speaker 1: got it really figured out. We looked it up, and
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  Speaker 1: then uh, it's still gonna be one of those words
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  Speaker 1: where you're like, yeah, racketeering. I don't I don't wanna, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I just like I'm like, who man, that racketeering? Um?
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  Speaker 1: So we also got an email from a guy. It's
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  Speaker 1: like like poaching takes different form and these guys are
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  Speaker 1: obviously professional like a holes, right, But we got an
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  Speaker 1: email from a guy recently. The guy like he got
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  Speaker 1: in trouble or he thought he was gonna be in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: So he's in an area we can only shoot a buck,
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  Speaker 1: and he accidentally shoots an analyst. Deer self calls up
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  Speaker 1: and self reports. So the game warrings like I'll come over.
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  Speaker 1: So he's he thinks real fast and he's like, how
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  Speaker 1: can I make this look as good as possible? So
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  Speaker 1: he said he like dresses the deer skins. It scrubs
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  Speaker 1: it down real good. So when the game warding walks
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  Speaker 1: and it's like ready to present and the game warding
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  Speaker 1: comes in, he's so pleased with the thing. The guys
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  Speaker 1: don't even get a fine nice Yeah, you like played
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  Speaker 1: it right. Reporting. We're always they advocating on self reporting.
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  Speaker 1: We get cool stories about people that do self report.
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  Speaker 1: And when I'm not getting in any kind of trouble,
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  Speaker 1: Um cayl, can you break down? Can you talk about
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  Speaker 1: the Lazarus species that you just fished for? Yeah? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: hunting cutthroat trout around Pyramid Laic. Anybody ever been over
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  Speaker 1: there earlier? Four four people brought this up to me earlier,
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  Speaker 1: like asking if I knew about it. There's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of dudes in this room and are doing way better
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  Speaker 1: than then we were doing. How many people have fished this?
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  Speaker 1: What's the lake? Pyramid? Pyramid? Like everybody everybody fish very
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  Speaker 1: well known, but this, uh I did see like as
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  Speaker 1: far as like the lazarous effects. So Lazarus rose from
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  Speaker 1: the dead. Jesus resurrected Lazarus after four dass. This is
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  Speaker 1: in the good book, the Book of John. I believe um.
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  Speaker 1: And and now it gets like lumped into the scientific term.
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  Speaker 1: It's called um Lazarus tax on. When something disappears from
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  Speaker 1: the archaeological record, no not archaeological, uh goes extinct? Do
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  Speaker 1: you think it went extinct? But it wasn't. And then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden it pops back back up, like
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  Speaker 1: the seal camp right, like armored fish. Um. That one
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  Speaker 1: was rediscovered in the fish market in Africa, right, that's
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: where everything gets rediscovered, like that fit. That's interesting fish
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  Speaker 1: because what they realized they everyone thought it was extinct,
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  Speaker 1: or the scientific community thought that fish was extinct. How
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  Speaker 1: do you say it? And I know Cela Camp, Cela Camp,
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  Speaker 1: and the winds up that it was that they a
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  Speaker 1: guy discovers it in the fish market and they were
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  Speaker 1: using the scales you don't need, like get those shitty
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  Speaker 1: little tubes to patch tires and grocery stores. And it's
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  Speaker 1: got the tin that comes off, the lid that comes off,
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  Speaker 1: and it's got a scratchy on it your bike tube.
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  Speaker 1: They would use that fish as scale at tire shops
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  Speaker 1: two rough up the rubber for patching, and so they're
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  Speaker 1: using it for that and the rest of the world
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  Speaker 1: thinks that they don't exist anymore. Oh the tire fish. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then uh, the black footed ferret was a Lazarus species. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody thought they were extrapated from the landscape. And then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, oh, yeah, look what
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  Speaker 1: I ran over. So what happened in here mid lake? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So two strains of color um. One was kind of
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  Speaker 1: the river cutthroat. One was the lake cutthroat, very much
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  Speaker 1: paraphrasing here um. But there's this pilot point strain of cutthroat,
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  Speaker 1: which is like the big big dogs pilot peak and
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  Speaker 1: thank you. And that is so they found like bone
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  Speaker 1: fragments where they estimated that these fish got up to
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  Speaker 1: like eighty pounds cutthroat. Um, Well, I just cut throat
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  Speaker 1: in the world, and uh, they market fish those things,
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  Speaker 1: ship them all over the country at one point, but
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  Speaker 1: fed you know, the big California gold rush, uh, giant
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  Speaker 1: cutthroat going from Pyramid Lake down to San Francisco, and
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  Speaker 1: then in nine biologists is out on a ranch, so
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  Speaker 1: they wipe them out or presumably wipe them out, presumably
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  Speaker 1: wiped out biologists out on this uh private cattle ranch,
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  Speaker 1: private ground. And um, it's like, boy, this fish looks odd.
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  Speaker 1: This is a different looking cutthroat. Were you just doing
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  Speaker 1: a little nod you're doing a little nod towards private
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  Speaker 1: lands conservation? Yes, I caught that. Yeah, thank you, I thought. Yeah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it takes five of these fish, takes them
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  Speaker 1: in the lab. Holy cow, this is our extinct cut
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  Speaker 1: throat trout. Um. And they were able to resurrect raise
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  Speaker 1: from the dead, this uh hunting cut throat trout. Now
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  Speaker 1: they're there are today. Yeah, I caught one. How big?
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  Speaker 1: Like she'llmove your hands? How big? Uh? The one I
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: caught was probably about somewhere in here. Seriously. Yeah, but
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: you were with the dude that caught a toad. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that thing was like hitting probably probably Yeah. When
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: we we did away, it was eighteen pounds and guys
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  Speaker 1: fish them off step ladders. Yes, that just doesn't like
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  Speaker 1: it is. I don't just like it. I don't dislike it.
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  Speaker 1: I like it, but I just it's a hard dude.
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  Speaker 1: This is like a full Michigan thing. You would love
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  Speaker 1: it is. These are like the race cars, like the
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  Speaker 1: souped up race cars of step ladders. Are dudes drinking beer?
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  Speaker 1: Are dudes drinking beer caddies? There's neck caddies. There's bass
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  Speaker 1: seats on top of step ladders. So you go down
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  Speaker 1: to the to the ramp, launch whatever, what have you?
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  Speaker 1: The access point and dudes walking down the beach with
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  Speaker 1: a ladder and a fish rode. Yea, did you do
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  Speaker 1: this on a ladder? Yes? Did you wear a life vest?
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  Speaker 1: I did not? I did get bucked off though, yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Doesname it for a little diving board on the end.
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  Speaker 1: There's a little wave action, a little floaty floaty arms. Yeah, bomit.
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  Speaker 1: You're sinking the legs into the mud, yes, yea. And
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to get up fish? Are you just trying
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  Speaker 1: to get up? Clear the water? Well a couple of
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: things like getting clear the water saves you from like
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: totally freezing your ass off and then um, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: know if the water clarities. I did see a couple
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  Speaker 1: of fish like cruise and eat some midges off the surface,
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  Speaker 1: which was awesome. It's like a seven pound cutthroat eating
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  Speaker 1: the dry fly off the surface was But you're just
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: bobber fishing. Oh, full bobber fishing. Yeah, I couldn't be
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: called anything else. What do you mean a bober could
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: we could be called a strike indicator. I've heard it
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  Speaker 1: call him. Well, it's only a strike indicator when there's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: a strike Okay, the rest of the time, bob. Yeah,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I always struggle with that because
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: we used to fish them all the time, and we
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: call them like bobber felt reductive. Yeah, it does. Strike
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  Speaker 1: indicator felt pretentious, so we took to call them floats,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: which felt like there's gonna be some combination like bob
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  Speaker 1: indicator or something like that. Yeah, he's like, you're fishing
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  Speaker 1: to float, you know. It's like you're not dressing it up.
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  Speaker 1: But they do not act. It's not like your kids
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: zep Co Rod. Yeah, not the dog on zep Co
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  Speaker 1: gets people fishing. Uh. And then talk about the dude
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  Speaker 1: you met. Oh yeah, man said my new best friend
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  Speaker 1: wear this no no, uh, super cool old cager but
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  Speaker 1: he kind of he's got one of he's souped up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sports car type step ladders. It's got easy
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  Speaker 1: even got wheels. Sorry, this is a six ft step ladder.
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  Speaker 1: What what are the wheels doing? Well, he's an older dude,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: so the wheels make it easier for him to like
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  Speaker 1: drag his ladder down the beach. And I had I
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: was freezing, so I had gone back to the beach
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  Speaker 1: to do some some walking and uh and he kind
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of parked his ladder, you know, twenty to the left
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  Speaker 1: of my ladder. What's like when you put a ladder
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: up how much? How much? The way it was explaining
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  Speaker 1: me is like, you want, you know, thirty ft would
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  Speaker 1: be great, but a lot of guys just fish fish
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  Speaker 1: closer together for the bullshit and you know, sladder the
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  Speaker 1: ladder conversation that's going up there. Yeah, And uh so
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  Speaker 1: I went out there to grab my ladder and drag
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  Speaker 1: it back in. And I was actually gonna go like
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  Speaker 1: prospect some some new beach and Joe is like, what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? He's like, am I too close to you?
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  Speaker 1: You want me to move? He's like, no, I'm just
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: gonna take He's like I'll move, Like, no, man, I'm
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: gonna just drag I've been standing out here for like
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  Speaker 1: three hours. Well you should get back on there and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: stand on there a little bit longer. He's like, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you another thing. I have no idea why
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  Speaker 1: those people are cast in as far as they are.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: The fish aren't out that far. The fish are right here.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I've already missed two in the time it
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: took you to walk out here. I'm like, I can't
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: argue with that. He's like, seriously, stand up there, just
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: wait it out a little bit. He's like, the big
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  Speaker 1: ones are gonna start coming out. And about six minutes later,
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  Speaker 1: he's got an eighteen pound cutthroat. Yeah. And this guy was,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just amazing, right, this is like
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  Speaker 1: his spot. I'm like, oh, you come out here often
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: every week day for twenty years. Oh huh, Like I'm
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: from Montana. Uh, I really dedicated myself to this for
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: six hours. Um, and uh yeah, I mean he was
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: just phenomenal. He's like, yeah, he's like, here's my flies.
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  Speaker 1: Check him out. He's like, guarantee it's the same fly
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: as you're using. And he just had like this, I'll
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: help you out as much as as I can, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: there's still no way you're gonna be as good as
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I am at this. So it was just it was
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: awesome like this, it's phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah, that that go
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: against uh the John gear Rock maxim that I like
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to quote is that when it comes to fishing, there's
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the people you're with and then the assholes. Oh now,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and I'd be just layed at myself and everybody in
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: this room if I wasn't like when I heard this
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: like step ladder with wheels on it coming down the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Rocky Beach, I wasn't kind of like, is this jackass? Yeah?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: But it turns out, Uh, super nice guy? Um did it?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, explain everything? He's like, Nope, those bugs don't
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: exist here. Those bugs don't exist here. This is what
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: happens in this lake. This is how cold the water is. Um,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: this is exactly why I wasn't standing down here freezing
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: my ass off all day and why I came down
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: right now and just like went through the whole thing.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Was like trailhead diplomacy is ladder diplomacy, step ladders, step ladlomacy. Yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: be like Joe, good dude. Uh, what'd you guys take?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Someone wrote in about this, what's you guys take on
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the habit of the practice of naming your rifle? This
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: guy is observing that he thinks it's extremely childish. Really,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I think Daniel Boon. I think Daniel Boone. I'm not
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: mistaken his what's called tick liquor? Tick liquor. That's yeah,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that's one letter away from offensive. Maybe it's just got
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: spelled wrong. Childish. Yeah, Since then, historians have been baffled
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: by what. You can't lick a tick too small? These
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: things get out of hand quick. Who do want someone
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: licking your tick? I've never named one, but you know what,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: my my my halibate rod has a name, but it
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: came with the name. The guy that made my halibate
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: rod named it the Widowmaker, which is like weird because
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you don't think of like when you catch a halibit
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that you've now like there's another one down there, like
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: all bumed that you caught that one. I was gonna
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: go up, How do you ever talk to it? I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: feel like that's where it gets weird. You're like talking
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to it using its name. No, and I do it
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like kind of ironically when I say I'm gonna grab
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the Widowmaker. Yeah, but I think if you start talking
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to it, that's where it gets kind of kind of
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: caught bullshit on that because I've been fishing with you
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and you're like, no, no, no, widowmaker's mind. They're they're
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: widowmaker will get him. You fish confidently, and that is
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the widowmaker. Uh you honest? You have named a rifall Yeah, several? Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: like what kind of like you know what call it is?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: What it is? I do that as well, like you know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: like my one gun or whatever. The most recent one
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that had a name that sucked for a while, I
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: sold it, but it was a three hundred short mag.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: The first one that I owned is soon after they
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: came out. I got caught up in the hype of
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: three D short mag, did I? Yeah, it's a great
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: round And it was all black synthetic gun and had
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the steel on it was black. Um, you're not gonna
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: say something real offensive, are you. But it was the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: same time, come on, it was the same time that
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: killed Bill. Those movies were coming out, very good movies.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: You remember the scene where I can't remember the name
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the snake and handel hand on, Yeah and yes, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the actor that opens up the briefcase full of money
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: is Michael something. Yeah, thank you Mattson And some cinophiles
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: out there tonight. He gets bit right, and he gets
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: bit again. And and as he's getting bit and struggling
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: on the floor, and as the Black mom is poison
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: is getting to him, they don't. They don't. Hannah proceeds
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to read like a little know that she has about
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: like how venomous the black Mama is and how a
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: strike anywhere to the upper torso will cause imminent death.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I believe it's how she says it. Well, man, that's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: kind of like my so. I called it the ye
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you're gonna say. My guy's name is Darryll Hanny. You
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: ever take so I named it Daryl d h d
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: h Um. Yeah, So black Mama was a name, Yeah,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: black Mama. Yeah. He stacked him up. Man worked for
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: this outfitter. Uh. And he had one named rifle. It
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: was a three mag whin Chester mag the better of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the two if you're comparing him. Uh and uh. That
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: rifle's name was Birdie, and it was its own entity.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: And he'd always be like, yeah, old Birdie and I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: were out, and it's like and I turned to Birdie.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Was was Birdie? Was Bertie ever out? But he wasn't out?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I was back home with Birdie. But I've never found
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: like an approach, you know, impressionable kid working for your
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: first outfitter. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna name Yeah,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I just can't. Never never clicked for me. I feel
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: like such a phony man. There's a lot of like
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Dolores's and Louise. You hear that. There's like some common
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: names for lady names for rifles. Yeah, like old Betsy.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. But you've never named one. Never
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: named just since since you guys can't really add to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the conversation here, let me tell you about another. But
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: please too. But don't think that me not having named
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: one means that I don't have the authority to speak
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: about this. I'm thinking. I'm thinking just that. I'm thinking
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: just that. Now, my good friend Scottie of Nebraska, he's
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: not giving away this. It's a shotgun. It's not a rifle.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: But he's not given away the shotgun because it got
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to be too much for him. Because he got blown
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: up in Afghanistan in the concussion that he received there.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He couldn't take shooting big Was he a contractor nefgamest?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, drove big rigs and yeah, I got
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: hit by I d but not as he wasn't a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: service member, right, No, Um, but he has. And now
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: another friend of mine has the shotgun and it's a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: single barrel ten y and um its name is thunder Breath.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: But you don't tell the story without doing his voice.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Saudi's from Maine. And uh, you guys have heard a
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: lot of pronunciations of Janus over the years. And Scotty says,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you want that took he was gonna get away. That's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: why I had to shoot him for you. This is
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: how my very first ever turkey that I got went.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Scotty was nice enough to have me out. Uh, And
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I'd hunted for three or four days on my own
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and uh, at that point I couldn't tell a hand,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you know, apart from a gobbler. And so the last
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: one he takes me out and uh, we're doing a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: little Uh. He took me to some ground that we
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: hadn't haunted, some private ground friend of his. And when
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: we're cruising in his uh pickup truck, and we kind
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of come over this role and this is we're coming
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: over the role. Scotty's looking over the dash and just
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: by the time I see him. He just he's a
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: he's got a um sticksheft pickup truck and it goes
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: into neutral and that truck just just comes back down
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: over the role. I'm like, oh man, it must have
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: been something. I didn't even see the birds, you know.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, it's on now. So he's like,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: come on, they didn't see us. So we hop back, Doc,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: come on, you want to let's go, and we go
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: sneaking up this little ups this little knob and uh.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: We get about ten feet from where you could actually
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: see over and he's like, stay down, they're gonna see you,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and he goes on up there. Come on, man, I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: feel I'm pretty slick in the woods, you know. And
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: he's just like, stay back, stay back. So anyway, we
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: peek over and he comes back and he's like, let's go,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and we just do this like full on army commando,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: run around basically just circumnavigate this I don't know terrain feature.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And we're getting down into a cannone creek and circle
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: around and pop up near a windmill and we go
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: belly crawling next to the windmill to the water tank
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and they've gotten out to I don't know forty yards
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: or so, and he's like, I can't remember what he said,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: you want to shoot that bird? So it's listen, man,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you're the only dude worse that accents and neat that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like everything is like, that's like sound like
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: maybe like a pilgroom or something. I don't want to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: you have a blunderbuss. Yeah, my mind is like Americans
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and everyone else speaks kind of like a Irish. You're Australians. Like, so,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I shoot the turkey and it's flopping over doing a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: dead turkey should do. Instead, he just like puffs up
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and all his feathers just fly everywhere. Obviously body shot him,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, And I'm still just like kind of calculating
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: everything in my head, like what I should do next,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, putting the safety off on the shotgun,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and the bird takes flight and he's now gone another
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: twenty or thirty yards and he's in the air and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Scottie and Thunderbreath just jump out in front of me
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and pow And I've never seen a turkey do this
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: this day, but at like seventy yards, a turkey just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: did like a somersault through the air and then he said,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: you want to go get your bood. So I walk
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: over there and the first still flapping and I'm walking
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: back and it's, you know, sperming and beating me and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to stretch its neck and I'm getting beat
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: up by the turkey. And you want to give me
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that bud? And he grabs it and goes and throws it,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: you know, and then it finally lays there Dennis can
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: be and then again you want to get your bood.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: That's how I got my first turkey. Yeah, if you
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: bring it up, because the guy recently wrote in um,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: like you wing shot the turkey. But guys like why
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: is it uh oh, like, why is it so bad
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to shoot a duck on the water or a pheasant
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: on the ground, but it's okay to shoot a turkey
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: on the ground and it's bad to shoot one flying?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Like who came up with that good question? Steve? Well,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the the flying turkey, I think you have a way
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: higher probability of a body shot. He's like the turkey
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: on the ground, it's you know, he got a lot
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of necks there. Yeah, because this this guy's main he
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: was mainly exploring, like the morality or the ethics of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you know, like shooting ducks on the water. Yeah, but
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: you're talking to a dude, shoot a duck on the water.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it either. I've never
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: had a problem with it. I mean, if you were
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to ask the duck, right, yeah, I mean he's like,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to be shot in the air either,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, you know, I mean it's like, like,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: who are you? Who are you? Ducks can't talk? We
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: know that, don't don't. Some water fowlers say that because
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: when they're on the water and their wings are folding
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and they sort of protects the water is protecting some
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of their you know, brass, the wings are protecting some
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: of their I'm a water fowler and I say that,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if that's widely accepted. But yeah,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I think that it's. Well, how many shells are Like
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: when you say the saying like, like shooting ducks on
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the water, you might say, like, you mean like they
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: get up and fly away? Because yeah, I think there's
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a I think there's a that's a part of it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Have you ever trained your shotgun on turkey and the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: roost and thought about it. Yeah, yeah, I have. We
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: thought about it hard one time, and we got me
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and my brother in the dark, crawled in under a
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: roost treat one time, and we're looking up very struggling
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: with this very question, and you could seem goblin up there.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I've had turkeys fly over my head at dusk, and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: as as they're flying over, I'm thinking, I know where
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: he's going. I can probably get him. But just never
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: do you Just I can't can't bring myself to shoot
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a turkey on on the roost. We're just reading that
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: study the other day. Were they in Colorado speaking to
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: roosting in Colorado. They were doing this thing with Miriam's turkeys. Um,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: what was the percentage of time that a gobbler will
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: roost in the same tree? Do you remember this? I
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: do remember it, but the number escapes me very low.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is they tend to like you
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: think they oh, they're going that same tree every night.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It was less than twenty of the time a gobbler
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: or roost in the same tree, and on average they
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: roost one thousand yards away from where they roosted the knight.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: And that number increases during turkey season. They're in Colorado
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: in this study you know, in this study area on
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Miriam's in Colorado. Um best post apocalyptic gun guy was
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: saying that he the guy was saying that this guy
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: wrote in him and his buddy like have this argument
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the amount of energy to put people put into imagining,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: like lusting for a post apocalyptic world certain types certain
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: types of people. Can we just say what we wouldn't use? Hell,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: let me give you the two He's kind of laying
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it out, like the two things. There's this he his
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: buddy has this idea that you'd want to be a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: twenty two, so you have all this ammunition because you're
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: gonna be dealing with all these dogs that are attacking
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you all the time. And the other guy feels like
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot more wolves. The other guys like,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more wolves and grizzlies. There'll be a
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: lot of wolves and grizzlies, and so you need a
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: high cat like a large rifle to deal with the
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: post apocalyptic world. Is there zombies? Let's just say no.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Let's say no. Let's say no, I'm just anti crossbow.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I'm the anti crossbow in the post apocalyptic the world.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: There's a certain show where there's a fellow drungey fellow
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: with a mullet runs around shooting things in the head
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: with a crossbow, and like, come on, man, you're not
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: gonna run. You're not running crossbow. You'll be eating alive
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: while you're trying to cock it to get the next one.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: That's a fact. So mean in days are not in
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of days are not even legal, So you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: have to cope with that. You have to cope with that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You'd be a poacher and and you'd be dead because
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you'll be cocking your crossbow. You're eating alive. I'm just
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: gonna sit back, see what happens in California, and then
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I'll make my decision. Do you got any input? And
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I like, why is it so hard to
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: entertain the idea for you? I mean, it just seems
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like so easy post apocalyptic world. Yet I am still alive.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: He game whatever this is coming from the guy red
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Ryder bb gun, I know I have a ton of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I have a ton of thoughts about this, and it's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: not about slash a lot of funds, but I'd like
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to do it like the full boat. I just want
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: to suck my gun. I like my vehicle. I'm get
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a van for sure, Like I'm gonna put like a
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you know, snowplow on the front. I got a lot
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: of things I think about, but just not the gun.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: So I'd like to paint the entire picture if we could.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: You know, what are you doing? Honest, you're sitting back
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and doing what Just wait and see what happens here.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: First I figured this is gonna be ground zero where Yeah,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and we'll probably still be covering out on the news
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: in Montana. I'll be like, oh, that didn't work. That
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: did you can? You can email over and ask what's
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: been working out for everything? My thing about it and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: we get like this question a lot, not a lot.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Somebody I'll be blogging right, somebody in California will be
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: belonging about like I figured, I knew it. I told
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you so it was. It's crazy you still have the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: internet in the post apocalyptic world. Yeah. Still, that's where
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I wind up having problems with the thing because it
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: is this. It's so I think we're coming out of
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: it now. But it was really like cool for a
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: while to like be ready for the apocalypse, But then
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you're banking on you're like spending. There's people that spend
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: sort of their entire lives getting ready for something that
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: by definition means most people are gone. And there's this
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: assumption that you're not. But the other thing is that
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: you can find examples all around the world have collapsed societies.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: And the first thing that goes into collapse society is wildlife.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Right like you go to the Democratic Republic Congo, or
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: go to Syria, I mean, wildlife vanishes. So we have
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: this like fictitious idea that that society will collapse, You'll
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: be alive, everyone will be dead, and we'll have wildlife,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: when in fact, a stateless society almost like it's almost
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like by definition, stateless societies lose their animals, like the animal,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the wildlife we have we only have because we decided
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to have it. It's not here accidentally. And with the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: with the with all the regulatory structure and anything of
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: that that, like the imposes restraint removed, that's gone too.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So the best you really just buzz killed the apocalypse.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: It was way cool to that to that monologue. Yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: it's big fun gonna be there. Oh yeah, speaking of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: we're not supposed to talk about that speaking of what
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: like a big weird state. You guys living um has
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: anybody here seem a big Foot? I'm not gonna I'm
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: not gonna say a word. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: won't talk about it. I'm it's curious anyone seem because
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: this is like, this is a lot of bigfoot country
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: north of here. I think you have said ye like
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: they yeah, sure there is. Yeah, you look on an
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: onyx match, you can see that one area that's where
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: they are. I want I want to grab a subject
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that comes all the way from Norway. The guy from
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Norway wrote in him and his wife were out hunting
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: black grouse, which we had to look up to verify
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was a bird. It's a bird, black grouse. It looks
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it's got the red eye comb. What's that whiskey or
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: scotch with the red grouse on it? Which is a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: ptarm again basically famous grouse, famous grouse. It's got a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: red eye comb like that grouse. But it's a black grouse.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: That's not that capper Kyle Kelly, which is the thing
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I most want to hunt. Yeah, yeah, someday in my
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: life I'd like to do that. I should contact this
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Norway fella. So he's out with his wife and they
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: jump a black grouse and it heads off. He's all
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: whacked out. He says he went a hundred meters by wish,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: he means a hundred yards roughly. He goes. So he
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: strikes off and him and his wife march in the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: direction it went to go catch it, and it's wherever
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: it landed. And they get there and before he can
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: get there, a goss hawk kills the grouse. It's just
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: laying their warm dad bird takes off and he pulled.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: He even said that this he presented the email. The
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: subject line is a moral question from Norway. Oh and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: you point out that I want to tell you this,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: your honest blouch where he's from, is paying So you
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: in a hunting story in Norway. Apparently you're like, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I raised my rifle and paying pa like it doesn't
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that's very a feat. Yeah, uh so, so he never
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: gets to paying paying. Is it immoral to take to steal?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: To steal the bird from the bird. His wife stole
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the black growls from the gosshawk because she felt, well,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I kicked it up. She has an assist at the
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: very least she should. She should have just taken one lobe.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, a wing, No take it. You have
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: hands and feet the bird it doesn't have those taken
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: any It's just it's that you think you just like
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: exploit the bird. Yeah, I'm exploiting the bird. I would
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: not have touched There's no way I would have touched that.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: You have some like big bird respect, Like I just
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: feel like it's like, yeah, kind of, I feel like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you've lost fair and square. Man. Put it this way.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: You kick up a bird and then it flies and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: often dis iss year paying like, yeah, what are you
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: gonna go make the case? Are you gonna go make
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the case to that guy? Yeah? But I can talk
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to that guy, like, listen, guy, you good. Good for you.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: If you were a bird, i'd take it. You're a
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: small little you're a small little bird or smaller. Yeah,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: similar story. No, I don't know this is similar. I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: can make this similar. We just got in the just
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: of the last un So the two thousand eight hunting season,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the guy who wrote us a letter drew a Utah
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Henry Mountain. So there's a there's a buffalo herd in
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the Henry Mountains in Utah. So he draws a cow bison,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Henry Mountains tag. They hunt their asses off and can't
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: find one. Oh, we met some people last night. They
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: got too. No, but they hunted ten days before they
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: found one. Yeah, there in this mountain range where they
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: give these tags out. I've applied for these tags in
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the past. He was saying that the density, it's such
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a low density. It's one per four square miles. So
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: they put in ten days and then he found they
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: put in ten days before they found him, and it
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: was a woman. She had a tag and she got one.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: But his other mud rights in that they're hunting and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: they're not finding anything, but an all of a sudden,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: his buddy is like, get over here, get over here,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: get over here. And he comes over and peers off
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: this rock ledge and there is so he has a
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: cow tag, a female tag, and there is what they
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: suspect to be a bull. Bet it down and they
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: observe it for a long time, and they're going by
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: the curvature of the horns and they're thinking it's a
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: it's a bull. So he can he can't get it,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: and you watch it and watch it, watch it, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: eventually they get to want and to make a cell
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: phone video of it walking away. I don't Lord knows why.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: He doesn't explain why, but they want a cell phone
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: be able walking away, so they decided to try to
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: spook it up, and they can't get it to spook
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: and even throws a rock down there, and it won't
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: get up. And they picked their way down there and
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: realize that it is stuck in a crack in the rocks.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: It's like got his leg wedge and the rocks and
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: is laying there unable to move. They can stand up
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: and struggle, but it's stuck. So they still think it's
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a bowl. And they try prying and poking and digging
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and wrestling the thing out of there, but they don't
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: want to get hurt by it, and they exhaust all
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the possibilities of trying to free this thing, and they're
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: getting ready to walk away when one of them finally
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: has a good I need to lift the tail up
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and it's a cow, so paying and field tag. So
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: if you extend the goss hawk logic to an inanimate
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: object such as a rock, he took that rocks catch.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: But I would have done nothing different, Like I would
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: have absolutely done what he done. Yeah, I don't like it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: You don't like, but you kind of have to. What
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: do you like about it? I just don't. It's not ideal. No,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: it's not ideal. Yeah, I mean that's not what. Yeah,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: you know. I I am very particular on my hunting
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and I have like this idea of how a hunt
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: should go and if it doesn't, like go out kind
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: of follow through on my big ideas. A lot of
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: times I just don't pull the trigger. But that'd be
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: a hard one to if you were hungry, would be ideal?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'd be queen mother. I don't think it
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: would be ideal. It'd be like it be on it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: You couldn't anticipate it. No, you can't anticipate it. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: if you leave, you know what's going to perish? And
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you didn't, I mean not that you know. I believe
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: when you treat recycling and all that, like nothing actually
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: goes to waste, right like out in that environment, it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: not it's not it will be consumed and write a
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: circle of life all that kind of stuff. But yeah,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I would have absolutely, but it still was the first day.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: But also like were you like, man, I wonder like
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: how much struggling has this thing done, and has there's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: been like is the meat going to be affected? Which
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: kind of is kind of like prick thinking at that point,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: it's like it's all about me. How's it selfish? Yeah?
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: What would you done? Ni? Yeah? I was gonna say
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: in both those instances that it would depend on how
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: hungry you are, right, because if you're really hungry, sure
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna take the bird from the goss hock
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna kill the buffalo with its legs stuck.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: But we don't ever have to face that question. But
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: what would you have done? Just knowing what I told
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: you with the buffalo? No, and it was a weekend
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: of the hunt and been tough hunt, probably would have
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: killed it for sure. Yeah, And then you know, people
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: come more. You got like the skull on the shelf,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: You're like, you see that and you tell them what happened?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: That's right, You're like, I before I killed this bison,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I lifted its tail up. I was just thinking the
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: same thing, like you've kind even know what I was
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: looking for? Put your head up a bison's ass. Yeah, Yeah,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: there's no going back after that. What you're taking that
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: bison home? What was what was Larry's wife's name Emily. Emily.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: That's right, Emily. She was wondering about this. What's that? Okay?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Can I talk about it? Your question? Yeah, I'm just joking.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: It wasn't Emily wonderness. Okay, there's a fella. Let's just say,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: let's just say there's a guy. He's a section. There's
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: a guy that was wondering and this is this is like,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: this is a difficult thing to address. It's hard to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: bring up. Uh, you process an animal, okay, and you
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: got an animal, and there's a there's a smell to it,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and we're all familiar with um. Has one ever noticed
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that after that, one might uh, one might pick sent
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: some of those same orders around their own flagelence or
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: bobble movements. And he's proposed this. This individual has proposes
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to family members. And some people think it's that sensation
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: of when you put garlic between your toes and feel
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: like you can later taste it. Or is it just
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: that it's a familiar smell and you tend to then
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: find that smell, you know, you recognize it in other areas.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. This isn't something I've experienced, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I do like to take all like I like to
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: take all things that get and and lay them out
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: to be helpful to people. I'm genuinely confused. Ye. Can
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: we go back to the garlic and toes? Okay? If
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: you have you've never done this? What? No? What was garlic? Yeah?
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: You take peel and crush a peel and crush clover
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: garlic and then jam it between your toes and wait
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: a while. I've had some boring nights. Wait a while,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and you will get to where you can taste the garlic,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: or you can't but you think you can, and you've
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: been smoking what It works so well that the trick
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: is this? You need you tell someone We've done this
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: at my house. You tell someone, Um, I'm gonna put
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: something between your toes, but don't look, and then after Wow,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: they'll be able to tell what it is. Dude, I
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: wish you had some in your toes right now? Got
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: there in the crowd. We can not back to the Okay,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the guy you any you got any to add there?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Should we hit the actual question? Yeah? I mean if
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: it's okay, Clara or whatever. Brad, you're not going on
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: the question. I'm not clear. I'm not clearer person. A
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: person observed he observed this phenomenon that that he experiences
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: where if when he you know, I'm just gonna move on.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: This is a psychosomatic we really get into. So a
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: twenty year old person wrote in, and he's dating and
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: using dating apps. There's nothing to do with the there's
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the the different person's nothing to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: do with this has nothing to do with gutting an
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: animal and then feeling that it has affected the odor
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: of one's own flatulence. This is completely set off. The
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: subject where a guy saying he's digging through the rubble
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: of the modern dating world on dating apps, and this
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: guy is one of those closeted hunter types and he
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: won't tell he won't tell women that he meets that
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: he hunts. Yeah, I don't even have the luxury. Well,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I don't have luxury. Got married. If I wasn't married,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the luxury anyways. But like that's some bullshit, man,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: get it together, man, closet, get it together of virtue?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Ye put it out there. Yeah, i'd say, not only
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: do I haunt by a shoot ducks on the water.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you a story about this goss hawk
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: that I know. I steal food from birds. I put
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: garlic between my toes, a fish off the ladder. Oh,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: this is not a control. We're gonna have to adjust
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: your tender profile tonight. We got what have you been?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Have you been out there lately? No? I like how
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you put it out. I think it's appropriate, Like I'm
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you're sifting through the rubble of how did you put it?
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: That's what he how he put it. I'm a mid
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: late he doesn't know how damn old he is. He's
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: no wonder. He's like, this guy is like suffering from
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: some personal problems. I'm a mid to late year old
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: male sifting through the rubble that is the dating world.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Well done. You know what if you were, if you
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: would come out and just be upfront about what kind
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: of feller you were, you might not be sifting through rubble.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: You might be like climbing the tower. We talked about
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: this in the office, about hunters only dot com where
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: it would be like a dating site where it's hunters only. Yeah,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: because they got Christians only, they got all kinds of
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: farmers only. Doctor, why not hunters only dot com? You
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: have your ripping grin, right, on there. It would be
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: a good website because farmers only, I gather I think
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of non farmers, Cal being one of them.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: He's probably never Cal. Have you ever dated on the
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: on the internet there? Because I I we all. I
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: think we all probably got married before it was prevalent.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I missed it. I missed. It's like I missed a
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: good old day, you know, like the good old days
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: of dating, I like totally missed. Back then, you had
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: to like get ship faced if you wanted to go
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: on a date, because you yeah to go down and
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: put in the time. Man, I've never swiped a lady
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: any really any direction, but never swiped anybody. Right. You had, like,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: you know, drink a bottle of Boons in the shower,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: go down and have a long Island ice tea and
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: then start talking and then once you got to the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: garlic in your toes, the day was over. My buddy
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Ronnie was just telling me about a guy that he
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: who's in the dating game and he still does the
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: old passioned way in bars, but he uh carries a
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: thing of tic TACs in his pocket and he reaches
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: in his pocket and rattles are like a rattlesnake and says,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: there's a snake in my pants, and he says it's this,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: he says, he says that it works. I started, I
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: started doing to my wife and I haven't gotten anywhere
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: with her. That's a good ad for tick tacks. But
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I was using those orange tic TACs and my kid's hand.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Now I was rattling to my wife and she's just
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: like having none of it. Another question, it's kind of
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: like same vein is post apocalyptic? Guns? Is is U
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: when it comes to backpack and you like spoons or forks? No,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: that's like that's like the middle of the road centrist
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: bullshit right there. That's like fence sitters. Those guys are
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the fence sitters. You know. Well, I'm pro nuanced. I
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: feel like that's the prone nuance, very nuance. It's got
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: some curvature and some spiking things at the end. It's
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: very nuanced. Yeah, I'm a long uh fork. I feel
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like the natural world is nothing but like fork things,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: pokey sticks, knife tips. Like I'm never out in the
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: woods and be like, man if I only had a fork. Yeah,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like the meals that we eat out there
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: aren't sophisticated enough for a fork, right, And it's like,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: if there's some time when you need a fork, your
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: knife will do the trick. Yeah, like you don't like
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: tuck in your napkin and ship like you And yeah,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: it's a blunt object. I guess just that one hunt
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: where where the helicopter took us in and then with
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the Hollywood people. Yeah, we had to use the small
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: fork from first one from the Johnny that's you salad
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: for big Like I, we've taken to run and almost
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: exclusively like big long handled spoons, which are meant for
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: digging into, so you don't you don't soil your knuckles
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: eating freeze dry. In a moment of weakness around Christmas time,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I bought myself a titanium spoon. That's what I have,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: like the long one. Uh. And I got suckered in
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: because it also had like a table of measurement on
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: there as well, and I like everything to have more
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: than one job. And I was like, wow, that's kind
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: of sweet. So now you did, you're able to ditch
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the measuring cup and just run the spoon. It's got
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: a toothbrush. On the other hand, it's but like the dirt,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: cheap long plastic g s I spoons I think are
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: better talk about. It's kind of off white. Yeah, it
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: flexes too much. You can't get into the corners and
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: you don't get a good stair. It's it's actually actually
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: weighs less than than the titanium spoon. What I find
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the titanium gets wicked, hock. What I find because everyone
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: now has the same Like most people I know have
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: the same spoon. What is that spoon? Speaking of name
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: and ship, what's your spoon's name? Dope V notch? That's childish.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Well no, because here's the thing, people will everyone owns.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Everyone that I know owns the same spoon. I don't
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: know what it is. It's a titanium spoon. It's like
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: we usually just wipe out a size trout. Is that long?
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: See the summit titanium spoon and something like the camera
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: guys are wrap gaffe tape of various colors around their spoon.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: But then that gets soiled. So I take my the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: file and my multi tool and I all my stuff.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I caught two V notches and all my ship, all
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: my stuff. So I cut two V notches in my spoon.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I called the double V notch why too? Why not one?
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: It seems like a extra work. I saw someone else
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: baby do that. I just wanted to have to in air,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and I like cutting the thing, and it's like a
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: thing I like enjoy doing. I do that with my
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I do my sleeping pad too. I kind of it keeps,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: it keeps popping. I don't know what that's. Yeah, that's
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: sleeping pad with the two holes. Um, and I did that.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I did it to my my steep country knife. I
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: cut two things in there. And then someone was like, oh,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: does that mean you've made two kills since you've got that?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh no, You're like, well this
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: is but yeah, the double V notche. But no spoons
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: all the way, man spoons all the way. Everybody out
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: there is into the sport. Sports. Dude, there are sticks.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: You have a knife fingers. Yeah, I'm not saying I.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I did a lot of early season, no dove. I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: was packing the salmon packets and uh, there's a shop
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: and catch him there that if you went in for lunch,
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  Speaker 1: they had like a Mondo bucket of the wooden chopsticks.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry for whatever they were serving for lunch. I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: buying it, but I was grabbing a handful of the chopsticks.
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  Speaker 1: Um and smash up that salmon and rock the chopsticks.
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  Speaker 1: It was great and then just go like stove with
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  Speaker 1: cold foot. Yeah you took sticks in the woods, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yes I do. Did you bring it? Did you bring
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  Speaker 1: your hands? I brought some grass to make a fire
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and a little back. We talked about that. They were
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  Speaker 1: clean sticks. Do you know him? Do you know what
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Kurt Roscoe? Yeah? Yeah, your to hear what he does
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  Speaker 1: freeze dry food because he doesn't like to carry a
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  Speaker 1: stove around. He around noon puts the water in the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: freeze dry pack called cold because by dinner, Wow, it'll
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  Speaker 1: be edible and just eats room like cold ass freeze
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  Speaker 1: dry and that has never like exploded all over his
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  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't ask him about that, but it's
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: a great question packing that around. Yeah, you know someone
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: wrote in that he's harder and woodpecker lips. We've talked
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: to multiple people that have tried the Kurt Roscoe method
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: of or the cur Roscoe back country menu and camp
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: come back and said, I was miserable. It can wreak
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: havoc on your gut eating like impron like read like
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: beans that aren't totally made back normal again, you want
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: to talk about a gut pile? Uh? Guy wrote in
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: about um, it's like the weird little deer hunting things.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Guy wrote in that He's like, do you think it's
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  Speaker 1: a good idea if I put a mannequin in my
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  Speaker 1: hunting blind all year so the deer get used to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: being someone in the area. Yeah, that's the best question.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: That's great. You should dress it like you put your
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: clothes on it. Well. In the same week, a guy wrote,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and he's saying, like, why if, why don't I just
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  Speaker 1: keep like I'll wear clothes and I'll put my clothes
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  Speaker 1: in a pile on my tree stand so that the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: deer in the area become accustomed to my smell. But
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: and I like, you're kind of like sure, but I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: just don't. I don't know. I feel like you're tipping
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  Speaker 1: in some weird direction. Oh for sure. But I think
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of beautiful too, because I that's what so
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: much like, go away from tradition, Like you got this
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: whole wild world out there to mess with. Yah, I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: like it invites experimentation. Yeah, exactly. Rebel little old spice
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  Speaker 1: on there. And but there's moment you gotta just realize
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  Speaker 1: when you're carrying a mannequin out through the field and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: it's like, what the funk am I doing here? Like?
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  Speaker 1: Am I really? Like? Really? Guy walks about a step
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: ladder and a mannequin? Am I really that into this? Like?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Is that really where up going? Um? Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. Like, I just feel like I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why I feel that it's bad to do that. I say,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: get weird, dude, I can't. You can maybe even make
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  Speaker 1: like a little scene because you could just bring out
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: your dope and buck decoys at the same time, bring
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: a couple of mannequins and then so when the buck
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: comes out on the field, he just looks down. He's like, Oh,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: everybody's just hanging out together. You know, have a little
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: card They got a little card table set up a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: little outstretched. I feel like that's a slippery slope. Then
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be starting to put mannequins in different places
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be. If that works, okay, Uh. Another guy
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: wants to know this, Um, if you how does he
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: want to put it? He includes this, It has me
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: that if you it's about if you're gonna die in
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a in an outdoor wilderness disaster accident, but he but
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: he prefaces it by saying if you knew you were
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: gonna die anyway, which I feel like has implications, but
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they are. So it's like, I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: guess it just makes it easier, Like God comes down
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: and says you you now have to die, um, and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: you can pick how you would like it to happen,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: any wilderness accident or whatever. Predator avalanche, Okay, what do
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: you like? What do you get into? Yeah? I thought
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: the question is gonna be like, how are you gonna
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: prepare for this? But no, no, he's got a prepper.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: This dude's a fatalist. Oh man. Yeah, it's just like
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: in the outdoors. Yeah, probably on a surfboard, drinking a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: beer with some fireworks and twenty two great white shark
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: keeps men something cool like that. Though you're in a
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: jet ski your kids on the beach be like, yeah, dah, yeah,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: I'm on a jet ski. Probably it's on fire, but
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: it's a great white the probably, so it's all that.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: But it's like leading up to a shark. Yeah, I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: want people to think, Oh, that's how he's gonna get it,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: But no, no, he survived. He's in the water, great white. Yeah,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I like I I fall two different directions on them, right,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: which is one that would be a grizzly because man,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: you know the experience of that. But then I also
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: think that way back up, what do you want? Well, yeah,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: but afterwards you're not gonna get to hang out and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: enjoy like your past experience anymore. Now you're like laying out.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Now you're like laying out. Um, You're you're laying out
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: a rather grim afterlife scenario. Yes so, but okay, okay,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: ivascilate between the two extremes. One would be freezing to death.
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  Speaker 1: Would you lose your sense like if anyman has ever
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: been hypothermic, You lose your you lose like your wherewithal
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and then you have that phenomenon called paradoxical dressing. Or
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: it'd be like the struggle with a wild beast, not
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: some middle ground ship like a tree falling on you. No, take, ma'am.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: You ever see a Royal tennan bombs right? A couple
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: of times? Phenomenal movie, But you know at the end
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: he's got this tombstone, and it's like his dying request
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: is and the tombstone reads like died saving his family
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: from a destroyed sinking battleship. Right, it was total bullship
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Gene Hackman, right, Yes, uh little Bill from the Unforgiven,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: So like apply that to uh Jeremiah Johnson. Right. And
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: he comes across the old trapper in the woods, you
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: know that where he gets uh, the dude buried up
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: to his neck in the sand, know, hatch Jack's hatch Jack.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: And he gets he like leaves this little like, hey,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you get the rifle that killed the bear that killed
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: me type of deal. So I'd kind of like combine
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: the two where I would get myself into a situation
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: where somebody would inevitably find me, but maybe I would
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: like give my rifle barrel just like an ever so
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: slight little tweak to where they're not gonna be able
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: to hit ship with it, but lay out this amazing story.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: That's a great point. Hatchet Jack did the two I
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: don't even think about that. The greatest movies ever made.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Hatchet Jack did the two things. He did both my extremes.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: He got mauled and then frols of death that's what
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I want that. Um, that's tough one though, Yeah, what
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: about last words? He like, I'd want to have some
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: kind of last words that were impactful sons. I think
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: he could die happy though, with like a well played
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: joke where you're like, eventually somebody's gonna find me read
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: this note. It's gonna be great. Yeah, might be like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: damn jet Ski. We with a guy rolled into us
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: once and we're talking about what we wanted to have
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: into our bodies actually died, and a guy wrote in
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to have his kind of dried out
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: out in the woods. So he's kind of pointing, but
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: have it be this point that I just absolutely nothing,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: just a mess with everyone that found him, and they'd
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: go over just dying to know what it was over there.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: But he's was like, it's just bad because what else
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: do you do with your dead people? Just burn them
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: up nowadays doesn't do anybody any good. Um. In the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: same vein what's the best they like, the best scar
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that you had have from some kind of outdoor venture.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: I got a good scar, but it's not from and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: like it's very weird life I have led. Let me
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: tell you, Um, I've never been like thrown in jail
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: despite my best efforts. I've never you know, I've been
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: in some situations in the woods where I'm like, well
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: that's it, and uh here I am. But I have
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: this scar on my shoulder from leaning back at my
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: desk with a cup of coffee. And I have no
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: clue to this day what happened, but I ended up
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: flat on my back with that cup of coffee on
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: my shoulder and I this wicked scarf from the scalding
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: cup of coffee. And it's just like a great reminder
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: of like the humor in life. Right, that's my scar.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: You know, Well you want to think you got some
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: cool thing we just got from like being a don't
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: mass at your desk some day, Like see that, kids,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: that's hot coffee. I'm a riddles decaff you anything. He's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: gotta have something. I've got a few scars, um, but
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: the one that happened kind of outdoors, the hunting related scars.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Don't talk about what I think you're in top about.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: It's not right here, is it? And That's not what
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about. Um. But I had let a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: buddy of mine who was coming up to hunt with
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: me at in Colorado after we've been done guiding, who's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: gonna come up and hunt? I think, I don't know.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: And the third season, maybe fourth season, we're gonna hunt Elk.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: And he didn't have a rifle, and um, I was
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: gonna borrow a rifle and let him borrow mine so
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: that I didn't have to let him be borrowing my
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: buddies rifle. Right, So I was the one responsible for
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: my buddys. I let Chris borrow the black Mamba, and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I took a three d weather be Did you say
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: something like careful bite? No? So, but I took a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: three hundred weather be that I can't remember that if
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: she had a name. They're always females, aren't they. Why
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: is that? Well? Yeah, but that's like that ship sailed now, man,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: they started naming storms after dudes, now really, yeah, you
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: know that. I didn't know that all these storms women's names,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: and the storm come and kill everybody and women got pissed.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Now they alternate. Now there's like storms like Bob came ye, Like,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: oh man, Bob used to go by Robert. But yeah,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: when when Bob blew through here? You know, so the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: three weather be which black Mamba No One Nameless UM.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: It was rigged out very ultra light weight, super lightweight
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: stock and as you know that going has a lot
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: of kick um. The three weather be likes to balance. Well.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: The first elk that week, This is back in the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: day in Colorado were like every year you could have
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: to count tags. So I was doubled up that week.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: And the first elk that I get into um for
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: some whatever, for whatever reason, but I'm not hanging onto
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the rifle and I touched off and that thing come
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: comes back, and uh, I just got blood, you know,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: in my eyes. So I've got this nice cut right here.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: But I get back to camp and I kind of
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: cleaned it up and look at him like it's not
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: too bad, you know, it's it's just slight. You know,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna scar. A few days go by, kind
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: of starts, you know, closing up, and there's really not
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: like a big, great, big um scab or nothing for him.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: And I was sweet, but I'm still hung with the rifle.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: And the last evening of the hunt, I get another
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: shot at a cow and somehow forget that this gun's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: got a ton of recoil and the same thing I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: get into some awkward position and I'm not really hanging
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: onto it, and I touched off and wam so twice
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: in one week. And so now that's why I have
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: that nice scope scar between my eyes. I know a
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: lot of people to have those. Remember something, My brother
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: one time, he was real sick. He had like the flute.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: And now I'm watching him and I can't figure out
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: what's going on with him. Like we were on either
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: side of this valley and I hear him and I
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: hear him shooting. I look over and I'm looking at
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: is trying to figure out what's in the grass. He
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: shot something and he's vomiting. But also his face is
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: covered in blood and so he already had the flu.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: And then he like cut his face open, and it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: was kind of a miserable sight. I dragging dragging his
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: deer back like that. You know you got nothing? I got, man,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I got nothing. I feel I feel sad about this.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and cut something up. So I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: got a story. These like date like this, beautiful hands
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: that are soft, soft hands. It's a it could be
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: a testament to how skilled you are. No, it's not. No,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: it's definitely not that, Uh, the only one, like my
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: kind of main outdoor one. This is this would drive
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Mark Canyon crazy because you know, like all this like
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Super Joe Ninja white Tail stuff, you know. But we're
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: out like in Michigan Open Day deer seasons November. So
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: at a round eleven PM on November fourteen, roughut in
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: the woods building ground blinds in the dark. Uh, and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: I waylaid my leg with a machete and that was it.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: And I don't even know I did. I thought I
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: hit with the back in a while later my brother
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: wondered why my car hard overalls were all read that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: was the only one. Yeah, lifetime of safe practices. Yeah,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: these are terrible scar stories. No, I don't. I want
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: to be like, well then I got that. Yeah, gressly
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: be just in my real foot. Okay, one last one
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: before we getting to see him through the bullshit is uh,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: what did you learn? I mean, it's an infinite number.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: There's an infinite number of answers, all the prefaces where
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: I even say it, but pick one. What did you
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: learn from your dad? You look at me? Anyone everyone
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: hunting outdoor. Later we're just guess that's kind of like
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: the I don't think he's talking about He's like you like,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: you know, when your balance and your check buk. You know, Yeah,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I would say I think that that's probably what he's getting.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: It's that's probably what he's driving at angling camping that
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: rassling animals, you know, m hm hm. Yannie sounds the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: most inquisitive. I'll let him go. Well you met Yanni's dad.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well I guess I can. I can
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: tee off. It's uh, it's probably is to stay positive
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: out there in the woods. Always be thinking, like you're
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: just about to come up on something. He's gotta hashtag,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: he's gonna start using. What is it? Keep smiling? Keep smiling?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Smiling that's your hashtag, not stay positive. There's no hammering,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: but only smiling, just smiling. Um. But yeah, I mean,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: and I don't think he actually like went out to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: teach me that, like for you know, to be successful hunting.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: It was more of a I think a life lass.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: And my dad was definitely always pushing to be looking
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: on the brighter side of things and too always know
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: that we had a choice how we really reacted to.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: You know, most of time, if it's something good, you
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: react good. But even if it's something bad that happens
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: to you. He taught us that we had a choice
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: how we wanted to react to it. Right, you can
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: react positively or negatively make the best out of a situation.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: But you know, just that constant positive good attitude, you know.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: And that's something we talked about this last night. It's
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: like an argument we have me and your honest which
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: is I feel that, uh, because I'm not I'm not
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: into I'm not into metaphysics too much. So I feel
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: that the what's in your brain ends at your skull. Okay,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: so that you could have all you could have a
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: negative mind frame, but if you're sharp enough to have
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: it be that your physical execution doesn't betray your mind frame,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: you will have the same out home then if you
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: had a positive thought in your head. But Yanni believes
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: that you push out a sort of energy wall of
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: positivity or negativity which impacts animate objects kind of kind
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: of I think. So I believe that, at least for
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: me personally, I might not be how did you put it,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: um sharp enough to separate the two? That was poor.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: It was poor word choice. I didn't mean sharp enough.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: But you know what, but no, it's it's fine, But yeah,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I might not have the ability to separate those two.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: So that don't made me live with the word choice.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I don't care, um, but yeah, I can't separate the two.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: And so I know if I'm like having a bad attitude,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: negative attitude and being pessimistic and thinking, man, we're probably
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: not gonna kill something, that I just feel like, yes,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: that's gonna affect what I'm doing and turn it into
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: probably not killing something. But how are you able to control,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: like people say, stay positive, think positive, how are you
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: able to control what part of your brain controls the
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: other part of your brain? You only have one mind,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: So if that mind is feeling a certain way, what
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: part of it is able to manipulate that part. It's
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: not like there's two brains and one's telling one how
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: to be Like, if your brain feels negative, what in
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: it is telling it convincing it to not feel that way?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: You don't ever want to have a two way conversation
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: with yourself ever, No, I can't say I can't be
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: like if I did, I just tell myself to be
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: super happy all the time. You know what my dad
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: taught me, He said, if a conversation goes on too long,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: always step in. Uh now I, oh yeah, old man,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: what's your old man telling? Oh man, Yanni's dad taught
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: him to be positive, Be positive, man. I I feel
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: like my dad's teachings were just, uh, we're so consistent
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: that I couldn't just say, like he taught me this
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: one thing, be positi or whatever. But it was be present,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: like enjoy what you're doing and be with people you
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: love what you're doing it. When I was coming up
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: hunting with my dad, it was less about the deer,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: less about the act of hunting, but it was more
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: just about being together, you know, being together with For me,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: it was just following this large and a life figure
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: around in the woods. And so he didn't really say it,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: never really said that to me. He followed me, son,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: but he he walked and I followed. So I learned
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: that just being there with him and him appreciating that
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: I'm there and me you know, giving that back to
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: him was enough to to propel me to you know,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: hunt the rest of my life. So it wasn't one
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: thing he said to me, was just his presence there
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: and his willingness to take me wherever I wanted to go.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Know that was pretty metaphysical. Cal oh the old man.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Um so yeah, not the sharpest woodsman out there. Uh.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: And he would tell anybody that himself. But what he
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: did do was spend the time, uh, because I was
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: infatuated with being outside. Um and as much as he
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: really wanted me to be like into you know, a
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: fun sunday watching ESPN and college sports and things like that, Oh,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: he tried to be a bad influence on you. It
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: was very very palpable, Like I knew this is what
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: he wanted to do, but he was willing to, you know,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: take me on the woods again, not his comfort zone,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: but spent the time. And I never really knew this.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So I mean that's that's a great lesson
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: and something that I certainly keep in mind all the time.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, so he bent in your direction, yep, because
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: he just knew. He was like, yeah, this is what
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: this kid fell off with, apple rolled far from the tree.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna do what I can to help him along,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: help him along. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a word I
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: say very often. Um. Yeah, yeah, So I mean that
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: that was a good lesson for me. You know, it's
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: like and then a lot of what I've done in life,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: UM is helping folks in situations where you know, sometimes
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to be there at that time
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: doing that thing, but I know it's for a good,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: good purpose. In the amber, the thing I didn't even like.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: My old man was a real advice giver UM and
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: had like a lot of life philosophies and whatnot. The lesson,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: the latest lesson that I've learned from him, I'm only
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: now being depreciate is having he had. You know, I
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: well he had multiple kids because he had been you know,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I had like half siblings, right, but I was raised
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: with two brothers um from day one. And now that
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: I have three kids, Uh, just how difficult it is
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: to take kids, like take kids in the outdoors. It's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: a struggle, especially with that many of them. It's like hard,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: and I see a lot of there's a lot of
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: people that I know that just kind of get, like
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: a man, this is too hard, and they kind of
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: ditch them. But the fact that he, I mean, since
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: we were little little with take us all out and
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the pain in the ass that was. But also to
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: make it feel that you were very welcome and he'd
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: freak out like over anything, but um and wish I
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: get now, wish I get now? But like you bet
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: you like you live a bunch of life. You kind
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: of like free wheeling and do what you want and
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: you stay out and it gets cold and you still
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: stay out and then all of a sudden, have it
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: be that? Uh also have a bet you're at the
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: whim of all these little freaks, you know, and that
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: he did it for that long and it kind of
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: leaves you like, man, I'm gonna have to do it too.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: But man, it's hard. Oh dude, running my five year
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: old al hard. It was the other day and it
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: hurt her feelings. This is hard. And let's how you
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: use something. Um Oh it's hard. It's hard even finding
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: all the mittens. There is no silence. There's no silence
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: like running out with you and the kids and like no,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: even when things are going perfect, it's like, hey, well
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: what about this? Can't I do that? What about that? Well?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: If I can't do that, can I have a snack? There?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Like it's they wanted their own little face masks, So
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I gave I had to like net gators, the Marino netgators.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: I give one to each of them. Then they got
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: to wear there. We're wearing them to school, and they
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: now take them school because you'll lose No, we won't
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: lose them. Next day we're going out side, okay, get
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: the things, neither of them. And one day they've both gone. Yeah,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: like you can't find the mittens, you can't find the hats,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: and you just got to like somehow just but you
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: can't ditch them. It's too wrong to ditch them. Ditch
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: your kids. Yeah, you know, it's fun, it's fun, but
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: hand it's hardened. And I think like in my dad,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like way more tolerant than my dad was the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: fact that he managed to hack it out is inspiring
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: to me. Well, you said that your your dad was
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: that he was never like into being friends, you know,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: friends with No, he didn't even tell you though. He
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: wouldn't like secretly not want to be your friend, to
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: tell you he wasn't your friend. He was about it friend.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: You know, in that moment when you're struggling with the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: kid thing, that's when you're just telling yourself, man, these
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: are the days. This is like awesome, this is great. Yeah,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: I do try to do that. And when they when
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: they say, what's that you're saying? You didn't talk to
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: yourself earlier? Try, I said, I do, try to remind myself.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: It's all coming back. I tried to remind myself and listen.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: My wife is very forceful about which side of your
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: brain is reminding which side of your brain. I'm trying
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: to do it. There's a difference. There's a big difference
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: because I do it, but it's not effective. But I tried,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Like I try to remind myself. My wife makes it,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: makes a constant practice of verbally reminding me of how
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: good like right, and you'll cherish these days and they
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: grow up so fast and all that stuff you do
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: not try hard. I really do try hard. I'm committed
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: to trying to do I'm committed to like raising them up.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: And when they complain, um, they're like, why don't we
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: have to do that? So cold or whatever? I tell him,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Because you'll be able to hang out with cooler people
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: if you learn how to hack away through this kind
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: of stuff, which doesn't really sell them on it, but
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm pictured like, you like, you'll
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: you wind up, you wind up with cooler friends. I
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: found myself the other day trying to like define and
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: explain grit and how that was gonna help my girls
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: later in life. And yeah, they just is in one
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: year out, you're trying to tell me you need to
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: have grit. Yeah, ger Tony the Tiger, all right, seeing
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: through the bullshit. The game we're gonna play with Vortex Optics, Yes,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: because they gave us we needed to have a prize.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: So the guys of Vortex gave us the new Uh,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: they got new three five thousand. I think one time
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: I said six three five thousand range finding binals. That's right,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: you can ditch your range finder and just carry binals.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: And we've been playing around with these, and yeah, they
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: will pick up reflective objects out to about five thousand
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: and deer type animals. Um Steve was paying Cou's deer,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: which is a real small critter out at a thousand
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: or over a thousand yards. Yeah, so we had a
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: sweeten deal and get these. So you get this, and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: we randomly selected a seat number which I think the
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: numbers are right here, right, and that person will come
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: up and play and we select did my son's nicknames
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Jim Jams Jams and he's eight j J eight. So
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: if you're in J J eight, shall we say come
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: on down? Come on? Then how did they get up here?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they get up There is is
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: somebody in that seat. Was it a full seat or empty?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I hear somebody coming, make some noise. Okay, So now
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: remember it's uh, what are you doing, Ben? I'm gonna
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: let him sit down here, come on up. I'm gonna
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: let him sit in my seat. That way he can
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: look at you guys in the eye while you oh yeah,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: because he needs to look us in the eye. We're
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: gonna tell you what's your name, John, and it's up, man,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: take a seat, John's hot seats. We're gonna tell pressure. No,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I know, it's a lot of pressure you're gonna get.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: You have to pick out. You need to see through
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: the bullshit to see the true, the one of these
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: it's true. All right. We're each going to tell you
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: a thing. You'll mean to go first. We're each going
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: to tell you a fact. Remember to maintain eye contact,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: especially with Yanni especially. I needed I need to check
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: my facts. And it is two lies and the truth.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: You gotta find the thing that's fine, the truth, Alright, binoculars. Currently,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: I do alright around. Let's make it sure. I worked
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: real hard on this story, so I want to make
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: sure I had nail it. Yeah, I'm selling it. I'm
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: selling it. Yeah. See he's seeing through it. Um. Recently,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission finished a four year
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: study on white tail deer in South Florida, where the
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: largest deer research finds ever conducted in the state. Two
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: x three year were fitted with GPS collars eighty camera
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: traps fer set. The gold project was to gain a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: better understanding of deer ecology in the unique South Florida
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: environment where there's pythons and panthers and all sorts of
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: stuff they can get deer ned next. Um. Okay, so
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: they studied all different kind of stuff. Um, the habitat, predation,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: hunting impact. Um. What was interesting to me was the
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: mortality results. A hundred and fifty four deer died within
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: that four year time frame. A hundred and two were
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: ruled as possible or probable by a panther hif four Wait,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: what did it start with panthers? Oh? Two sixty three
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: two Yeah, so it says here. Hundred two were ruled
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: as panther or probable panther. Bobcats killed three, bears killed two,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: alligators killed one, disease got four poaching and probable poaching two.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: And the lowly Florida hunter only killed one of those
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: deer California. He's been listening shit all right. This is
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: the unlikely heritage true story of Jan Smith. Right mountain
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: man Who Je Smith is? I know the name you
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: by Grizzly. Were you gonna clue that? No? He was
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: balled by Grizzly and his buddy sowed his head his
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: skelp back on, and you always wore his hair long. Yeah. Uh,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: the stitching wasn't very tight, so he had to part
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: his hair just so. Uh so jets Man, famous mountain man,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: had an incredible life, but he ran into a bunch
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: of trouble just about in this area. He actually ran
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: into the Spanish military. Um, got detained for amount of time,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: ended up having a kind of a harrowing run through
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: a bunch of cactus, got all bloated up from his
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: body reacting to a ton of cactus needles. Um. During
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: that kind of healing process, he is tended to by
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: this very nice Spanish lady named rose Rita. Um they
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: have twelve kids. Uh yes, um, that's where all the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Smiths in the world come from. Now here's where things
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: get pretty deep. So stay with me here. Uh. As
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: this uh family grows, the Spanish heritage takes over and
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: they produce a line of high quality Mexican foods that
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: you can find at your grocery store today. If you've
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: ever eaten rosary to refried beans. That is the unlikely
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: true heritage of Jedediah Smith. Jedediah Smith, and I just
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Jed Smith Jedediah Strong Smith. Okay, the Florida panther is
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: reduced down to maybe fifty animals, and there's talk about
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: supplementing the population with mountain lions from West Texas. The
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: debate centers around what is the Florida panther? If we
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: bring in a genetic line from another area, are we
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: destroying this isolated habitat. They do a collering study on
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: mountain lions to try to determine their range and distribution,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: and they have a collar on a mountain lion in
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: the Everglades of Florida, And for some strange reason, one
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: of these lions, whose name is G four five migrate
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: south and swims and starts going out into the Florida
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: keys And there's that diminutive white tail sub species, the
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: keys deer, which is an imperiled species. And this lion
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: is praying very heavily on these very small populations of
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: keys deers, and a number of times the Florida Department
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: of Fishing Game thinks they're gonna need to remove one
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: of these lions. But eventually it is hit by a
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: tour bus in Key West. A little too detailed in
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: little too Yeah, it's a little you to figure this out.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: You can't ask the audience if you'd like, I can
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: go and hold my hand over each person. They can
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: cheer for you can you can go to audio. You
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: can go to audience support if you really if you
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: if you think you need I think I have an idea,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: but I'll go to the I mean, where where are
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: we going? Alright? Alright, alright, cheer when I hold my
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: hand and do this motion over the person. You're looking
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: for the truth. If you think this was the truth,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: cheer for Yanni his story. Do you think cal was
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: telling the truth about asked me something? Now? If you
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: believe it's Steven Ronello is telling truth about that women
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: to pay, he suppose, and you're gonna go with that.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: Mr Ronello over here, I think he's I think his story.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: It's true. He gets your story, that's true. They just
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: they just put out the results. Man, Panthers killed over
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: a hundred of the tuner sixty three that were collared. Yeah,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: and Florida Hunters only killed one. They were even told
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: don't let the GPS collars and the ear tax bother you.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Please kill those deer when you see them, right, believe
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: for playing you still anyway? Yeah, thank you for playing.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good, thank you, thanks man. Oh excellent, that's great. Alright, guys,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: don't go away because we're gonna Uh first off, thank
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: you very much for coming out, but don't go away. X.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: We gotta do a we gotta do a birthday give away.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: But first if you go out, we have our merge
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: table set up. We have signed books. We have new
• 1:39:09
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• 1:39:12
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• 1:39:20
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• 1:39:22
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• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: our shirts that we only sell at live events, which
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: is our famous steam Breathing Turkey shirts, steam Breathe in
• 1:39:31
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• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: you folks. Um so does that? Now we gotta do
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: our birthday giveaway? Can we bring up the however you
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: call the yeah, the lights out there just a little bit.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: This will help us. Is anybody celebrating their birthday? Oh? Wow,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: alights a better idea? How we have stand up ship
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: goes back and check your ideas? Are you really serious?
• 1:40:02
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• 1:40:05
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• 1:40:07
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  Speaker 1: it's gotta be a birthday to day right now. Come on.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: But then if you're real young, don't bother because we're
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: gonna go with older because you're closer to being dead
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: and I want you to enjoy your time. We've got
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: more people. Yeah, really, what was going on nine months ago? Tonight?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: It's Valentine's Day? Kids? Oh no, never mind makes no
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: like a very like a negative concept of negative. So everybody,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: it is your birthday to day? Oh it's just four
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: of you. Well, by golly, you guys. Are all these
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: chairs t winners of a new chair? Stay around, you're
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: right here. Chair it up. That's very heavy. Watch yourself.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you, great dude. Al Right, guys, we love you all.