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Chuck & Buck 11-25 Hour 3: Gene Steratore, Everett Fitzhugh and tailgating time! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Time for checking Bucks weekly visit with former NFL official
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Speaker 1: check us out at BMW Seattle, conveniently located between I
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Speaker 1: five and I ninety near the stadiums Now with Jeane Sterotor.
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Speaker 1: Here's Chucking Buck.
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Speaker 2: Ah, welcome back to the program. It is Chucking Buck
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Speaker 2: in the morning minus Chuck. I'm interested to see how
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Speaker 2: our next guest is going to feel when there's no
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Speaker 2: Chucky here for him. Gene, how you doing, brother.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. Brother. Hey listen, he's not here, so
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Speaker 3: take as many shots as we can today. I mean,
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Speaker 3: he's not here to defend himself, Bucky. Let's go at it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean I think it would be
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Speaker 2: great on his time off if if we were just
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Speaker 2: to follow him around like with a whistle, and you know,
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Speaker 2: when he's doing like a walk and he all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden, it's like slow rolling across the crosswalk when
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Speaker 2: the red hand comes up and we're like, hey, picking up,
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Speaker 2: pick up the pace. Let's go throw a flag on
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Speaker 2: him for stalling or something.
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Speaker 3: I like it. I like it. We should throw a
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Speaker 3: few flags on him as well, Bucky. I think it's
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Speaker 3: a great idea.
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Speaker 2: Well, Gene, we have Geene's territory here, rules official. He
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Speaker 2: is a former NFL referee for many years. Everybody knows
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Speaker 2: who you are, and so I'll keep the introduction somewhat
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Speaker 2: short and sweet, but I am interested. I mean, with
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Speaker 2: this Thanksgiving schedule, we got games on Thursday on Thanksgiving Day,
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Speaker 2: and then Black Friday, and then you got college games
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Speaker 2: and all these big you know, rivalry games that are
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Speaker 2: coming down, and then Sunday and Monday night football as well.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, are you basically working around the clock
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Speaker 2: or are you going to get any time to fit
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Speaker 2: in some turkey.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm going to see the turkey
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Speaker 3: until probably next Monday, Bucky, which means there's maybe two
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Speaker 3: or three slices of that you know turkey breast. It's
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Speaker 3: pretty dry on the tupperware where you know, got to
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Speaker 3: use a half a jar ow to get it a
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Speaker 3: little bit, you know, get it back to where it
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Speaker 3: needs to be. But now I actually get to I
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Speaker 3: am fortunate that I get to go on location for Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 3: I will be with Jim, Tony and Tracy in Dallas
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Speaker 3: for the Chiefs on Thursday, but then off again Friday morning.
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Speaker 3: Back to the CBS studios in New York for two
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Speaker 3: football games Friday, and then another college football game Saturday,
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Speaker 3: and then just for the you know, dessert of the
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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving week. I think five or six NFL games on Sundays.
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Speaker 3: So this a little bit of a busy week. And
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Speaker 3: then the most anxiety, truthfully, is that Black Friday does fall,
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Speaker 3: I think somewhere in these four days, and the wife
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Speaker 3: has asked me to leave all three credit cards on
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Speaker 3: the kitchen table before I take off. So if you
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Speaker 3: hear that in my voice at some point over the week,
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Speaker 3: you'll know that it's not because I'm worried about the
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Speaker 3: playing that I'm about to rule on. I'm wondering why
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Speaker 3: that third blink on my phone just said that I've
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Speaker 3: reached the maximum on the other credit card. I don't
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Speaker 3: they just called to say, hey, if somebody sold your
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Speaker 3: credit cards. I'm gonna be like, yes, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm out of town, arrest that woman. That's that's that's funny.
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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, but then again, it is
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Speaker 2: what it is.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: I'll be at home watching the football game. So go
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Speaker 2: get your Christmas shopping done. I suppose, Well, I'm Jeane.
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Speaker 2: There was there was a few things this weekend, not
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Speaker 2: a ton, but there was one in particular in the
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Speaker 2: in the Seahawks game that right when it happened, I
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Speaker 2: was like, oh, I can't wait to ask Jean that.
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Speaker 2: Because the idea of how difficult it is to play
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Speaker 2: defense obviously in the NFL nowadays, and I mean, I
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Speaker 2: think it's always been that way, but it does feel
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Speaker 2: like that it is a little bit more difficult the
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Speaker 2: amount of hands that you can or can't put on
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Speaker 2: somebody before they're going to throw a flag. And yet
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Speaker 2: on the alternate side of the offensive pass interference, we
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Speaker 2: had a play where Jackson Smith and j But who's
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Speaker 2: having a historic season at this point in time, he
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Speaker 2: it up kind of and he does this great I
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Speaker 2: think it's just a trick of the trade. And yet
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Speaker 2: I want to know from the referees perspective, where is
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Speaker 2: the line drawn? Because he had a play where is
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Speaker 2: a deep ball thrown you know, kind of dropped right
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Speaker 2: in the bucket. But he's really good at slowing down
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Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, essentially using his body
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Speaker 2: to defend or deflect the defender away from him a
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Speaker 2: little bit, and then speeds up just a little bit,
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Speaker 2: and then he just ever so subtly, he puts his
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Speaker 2: hand out and just says, yeah, that's as close as
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Speaker 2: you get to get, knowing that the ball's going to
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Speaker 2: drop right out of his fingertips reach. And so how
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Speaker 2: do you decipher how much is a push off and
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Speaker 2: how much is just really good receiver play?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what look great point And I really
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Speaker 3: as I watched that play and look at it too,
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Speaker 3: you just hit on all these elements. I think we
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Speaker 3: talked a little last week, right hand fighting. Hand fighting,
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Speaker 3: let the player get his hand, push a little bit
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Speaker 3: to get the hands off, and it's that great area
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Speaker 3: a little where you do allow some separation to happen
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Speaker 3: because of the flavor of the play, and they're all unique.
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Speaker 3: And in this situation, I think you really worded it
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Speaker 3: perfectly because I always looked at it, like, you know,
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Speaker 3: there is this little window where you're going to gain
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Speaker 3: a little bit of an advantage here because you have
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Speaker 3: mastered your craft so well. And if you even watch
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Speaker 3: JSN like he does it, it's not like he's pushing
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Speaker 3: a player off, like up around the shoulder pads either
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Speaker 3: usually they're really good ones. It's kind of right around
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Speaker 3: the waist. It's a low hand, it's not significant where
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Speaker 3: they have a complete arm extension. You don't see the
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Speaker 3: defensive player go back two or three steps, but you
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Speaker 3: see this just futtle little nudge and then it kind
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Speaker 3: of goes right from the nudge with the and the
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Speaker 3: handstart to go right up because he's timed that nudge
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Speaker 3: so well that the football is inevitably a second away
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Speaker 3: as well. So it doesn't rise to that level of
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Speaker 3: materially really acting this play like it doesn't jump off
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Speaker 3: the screen at you. But you see it and you're like, dude,
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Speaker 3: is there a little bit of separation right before the
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Speaker 3: ball got there? And then you watch the replay and
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Speaker 3: naturally we slow it down. It always looks worse and
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Speaker 3: you think, man, that's a push off, right. But then
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Speaker 3: for me, in the way I know I refereed and
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Speaker 3: the way I hope that our crew did week in
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Speaker 3: and week out, I think that edge is what allows
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Speaker 3: great players to be great without really taking advantage or
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Speaker 3: fouling in a very aggressive fashion, but just creating a
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Speaker 3: minor advantage and huning the craft, and I think the
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Speaker 3: same should apply for d backs. He puts your arm
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Speaker 3: around the receiver's waist, you reach the other hand around.
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Speaker 3: I don't turn him, but I used his body for leverage,
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Speaker 3: but I didn't restrict anything. Let the defensive back get
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Speaker 3: that play in as well. So I think in that window,
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Speaker 3: I think what jays then did was he took everything
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Speaker 3: that I think by the letter of the law, maybe
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Speaker 3: he separates, but in the philosoph fee of the game,
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Speaker 3: I think he takes it right to that edge and
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Speaker 3: wins on a play that doesn't jump off the screen.
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Speaker 3: And I to me, I think those players are really
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Speaker 3: good no calls. And I think that is one of
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Speaker 3: the things that when we try to train in officials,
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Speaker 3: it's not so much making the calls. You should just
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Speaker 3: the big ones. You get. The art is at what
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Speaker 3: point do we leave that play alone, right and leave
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Speaker 3: it as a no call and let athletes be athletes.
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Speaker 3: This play I thought so right to that level, and
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Speaker 3: I'm glad they didn't throw on it because I don't
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Speaker 3: think it's I just don't think it's that big. The
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Speaker 3: dbat takes a little half step backward and yes, it's
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Speaker 3: tiny bit of separation, but not enough. Just used to
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Speaker 3: say in the trade like it's not big enough. Didn't
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Speaker 3: feel big enough to me. But a really great.
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Speaker 4: Play, okay, Gene.
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Speaker 5: I'm curious then, because in hearing about you know, yes,
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Speaker 5: I do agree that defensive backs and wide receivers should
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Speaker 5: be able to give, you know, get those little benefits
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Speaker 5: to themselves in as long as you're not fully hampering
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Speaker 5: the person on the opposite side to the ball. Now,
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Speaker 5: last night in San Francisco's game, and at the end
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Speaker 5: of the Bengals game, I saw what I would have
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Speaker 5: thought probably could have been called as past interference, especially
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Speaker 5: it was the last play of the Bengals game. Mike
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Speaker 5: di Seki falls to the ground before the ball even
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Speaker 5: I think it was before the ball even got there,
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Speaker 5: and there was a no call. I didn't know if
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Speaker 5: maybe because it's the end of the game, are they
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Speaker 5: just kind of allowing a.
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Speaker 4: Little bit more, you know, of a little bit more from.
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Speaker 5: The defense, a little bit more from the offense, because
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Speaker 5: you don't want that call to be the call that
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Speaker 5: changes the game.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's fair. I think the hell Mary play,
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Speaker 3: we always have allowed much more boxing out and pushing
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Speaker 3: when you see their score or five players near the
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Speaker 3: end zone like boxing each other out and going up
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Speaker 3: to this ball. So I do think there's a little
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Speaker 3: more that happens there the play that you're referring to
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Speaker 3: at the end of the Bengals game. Only thing I
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Speaker 3: could say in defense of the officials is the receiver, like,
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Speaker 3: I think there's interference. I think it's a passing and play.
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Speaker 3: I always try to teleport Donald though, and try to
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Speaker 3: remember what it was like in that split second moment. Now,
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Speaker 3: does the receivers the ball a little behind him? Does
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Speaker 3: he lose his seat a little as that contact's taking place.
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Speaker 3: Not that I'm looking for reason not to call it,
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Speaker 3: but you want to try to digest everything before you
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Speaker 3: make that decision. But with all of that said, it
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Speaker 3: wasn't the best drown ball, but I do think there
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Speaker 3: was enough contact there, truthfully by the defensive player to
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Speaker 3: warrant that flag. And look at the one thing that
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Speaker 3: officials always have to stay true to it and it's
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Speaker 3: just something that you must embrace, is Look, the first
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Speaker 3: preseason game has to be officiated in that same philosophy
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Speaker 3: as the Super Bowl does, because You can't. You can't
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Speaker 3: play time and score or value of when I'm going
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Speaker 3: to make this call or not. You get into this
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Speaker 3: spine window you hope of what we're going to allow
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Speaker 3: happen and what we're not going to allow to happen.
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Speaker 3: One thing I will say from all coaches, players and
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Speaker 3: anybody that I really respected in this game, the only
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Speaker 3: word that they used to me always was will you
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Speaker 3: just stay consistent? Just make it consistent, because when we
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Speaker 3: know what you're going to do, then we can adjust.
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Speaker 3: But if you're all over the place where you let
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Speaker 3: this one go at the end of the game that
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Speaker 3: you called this on the end of the second quarter,
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Speaker 3: now you've hurt the integrity of the game and the
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Speaker 3: way that we can play it. And I think that's
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Speaker 3: where the challenges are. And then again, as you said,
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Speaker 3: if it falls in the last play of the game,
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Speaker 3: it didn't extend, you would have had a defensive file there.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't going to be the difference between the game
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Speaker 3: and not. At that point, you were just going to
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Speaker 3: give them another play. But I follow is a foul, right,
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Speaker 3: and I said, you need to live in that window,
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Speaker 3: and at certain times you've got to throw everything else
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Speaker 3: out the door and work the play. But I thought
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Speaker 3: it was passing the affearance.
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Speaker 2: I did well, Gene, that's okay. So I kind of
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Speaker 2: want to tie into that a little more as you
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Speaker 2: were just talking, and I agree one hundred percent. You
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Speaker 2: can't to be like, well, this is not that much
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Speaker 2: on this play, so I'm not going to throw a
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Speaker 2: flag or vice versa this end of the game. I
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Speaker 2: have to or it's in the game. I can't. You
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Speaker 2: can't do that, So I'm with you. And yet a
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Speaker 2: second ago, when we were kind of talking about the
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Speaker 2: nuance of how you call a game when it's is
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Speaker 2: that offensive? Is that a push off? Or did it
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Speaker 2: affect the game? You were talking about how like a
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Speaker 2: dB if he's got his hand on a guy's hip
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Speaker 2: and then brings the other hand around to deflect the
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Speaker 2: ball as long as he's not turning him. Is how
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Speaker 2: difficult is it then? From your standpoint, because we had
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Speaker 2: a guy here, Tyler Lockett, was a master at getting
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Speaker 2: flags thrown because he was slight built, so when he
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Speaker 2: would feel something one he couldn't play through it. If
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Speaker 2: a guy tugged on him a little bit, it was
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Speaker 2: going to slow him down. And possibly turn his body,
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Speaker 2: and he would embellish it. He would make sure that
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Speaker 2: it was it was a blatant Now a guy like
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Speaker 2: DK Metcalf or a tight end like the case we
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Speaker 2: are just talking about, that can it takes a whole
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Speaker 2: heck of a lot more of a tug for it
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Speaker 2: to turn the guy's body. How difficult is that from
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Speaker 2: your perspective to recognize whether or not a guy's flopping
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Speaker 2: Because you can have an offensive PI where if a
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Speaker 2: DB's real good, when he feels that push off just
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Speaker 2: a little bit, then he throws his hands up and
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Speaker 2: jumps off to the side, and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: it looks like it jumped off the page or jumped
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Speaker 2: off the screen at you versus somebody that is bigger
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Speaker 2: and he can just kind of play through it a
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Speaker 2: little bit more.
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Speaker 3: That's that's really difficult, I mean you is those are
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Speaker 3: the things that challenge you as an official. I know
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Speaker 3: as a referee. See I started my career first two
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Speaker 3: or three years downfield, I did deal with these plays
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Speaker 3: and your right different stature creates different pieces of what
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Speaker 3: you think is materially affecting the player or the play
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Speaker 3: enough to warrant that flag, and yeah, certain bigger athletes.
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Speaker 3: My bigger challenge is to the majority of my career,
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Speaker 3: where you would have a quarterback back there that was
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Speaker 3: a six foot four to two hundred and forty pound quarterback,
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Speaker 3: and then the other team would have, you know, five ten,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty pound quarterback. You know, where when
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Speaker 3: is the roughing? You know, when do you stop the play,
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Speaker 3: whether you blow the whistle, do I let the big
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Speaker 3: guy get hit for that, I'm letting the smaller statute
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Speaker 3: quarterback get hit or things of that nature. So there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of different elements they go into each play,
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Speaker 3: the players that are involved. It doesn't mean that you're
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Speaker 3: allowing people to foul bigger players more. But then you
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Speaker 3: also watch and I think what you just said about
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Speaker 3: Lockett is one of the things that was so hard
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Speaker 3: to do, and that is at some point athletes are
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Speaker 3: still going to try to make a play up until
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Speaker 3: this point where maybe in that split second in their
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Speaker 3: mind they realize no matter what I do, I can't
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Speaker 3: make the play. And they're in that little split second
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Speaker 3: comes that soccer embellishment, right That's it's like the defensive
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Speaker 3: ends that's getting a little bit held on the edge
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Speaker 3: and he's fighting like heck to get off of this
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Speaker 3: block to get this runner that's going to go right
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Speaker 3: around him. And then he realizes I can't make it there.
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Speaker 3: So what does he do? All of a sudden, his
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Speaker 3: both hands go up in the air. He acts like
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Speaker 3: he was just accosted on the street or something, and
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Speaker 3: you're thinking, dude, like a second to go. You know,
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Speaker 3: you were engaged in a really tough huscle and all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden you look like you were just completely overwhelmed.
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Speaker 3: Those are tough things to officiate. You try to manage that.
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Speaker 3: You try to continuously put all the things we're talking
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Speaker 3: about into that. Look, if you flopped, I can't bless
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Speaker 3: you on it. I would do it in hoops an
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Speaker 3: awful lot, like a basketball player would come up and
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Speaker 3: get bumped a little and put his head back or
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Speaker 3: like I really got hit trying to embellish that contact
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Speaker 3: and create a foul. And my conversations with players like
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Speaker 3: that on both sports that I worked were don't do that,
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Speaker 3: because if you do that and you're really good at it,
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Speaker 3: and I think you're delishing, then that next play is
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Speaker 3: going to happen where you are going to get filed
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Speaker 3: and I'm going to probably pass on it, you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean. And now now you're not going to
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Speaker 3: get what you should get. So I always try to
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Speaker 3: at least manage or you know, minimize those opportunities for
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Speaker 3: them to do it. I guess by scaring them into
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Speaker 3: if you're such a good actor when you really do
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Speaker 3: get filed, I'm not good enough to decipher between the two.
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Speaker 3: So how about we just try to play through every
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Speaker 3: play the right way and then let me make my
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Speaker 3: judgments based on that. But it is a difficult process
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Speaker 3: to do, and at times you get tricked by it, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're human, and it's fast, and it always
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Speaker 3: I always hated it from a grading perspective to Bucket
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Speaker 3: because with that delon that it put his hands up,
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Speaker 3: you knew that the person grading your game the next
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Speaker 3: day was going to look at that play maybe a
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Speaker 3: little closer, you know, like like there is a hole there,
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Speaker 3: you know, or something to that effect. But it's not
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Speaker 3: easy to do, but it's something you continuously try to
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Speaker 3: train on and be able to have those micro second
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Speaker 3: reactions as a result of it.
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Speaker 4: Geene, just a quick one before we let you go.
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Speaker 5: Because I was watching the Dallas Philadelphia game, as I
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Speaker 5: think a lot of people were, a very interesting game.
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Speaker 5: But there was a roughing the kicker penalty called on
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Speaker 5: the punt and that gave Philadelphia the first down. The
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Speaker 5: Dallas leof who I think was his name, he was adamant.
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Speaker 5: I touched the ball. I touched the ball. He went
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Speaker 5: over to the sideline. He's, you know, scraping his fingers.
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Speaker 5: I got my fingertips on it. Dallas doesn't do anything.
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Speaker 5: Is that even challengeable? Could they have thrown a challenge
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Speaker 5: flag that he tipped that ball?
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, touching of the kick, touching of a pass
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Speaker 3: is challengeable. Also, that's a play that New York can
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Speaker 3: weigh in on rather quickly if they see it and
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Speaker 3: expedite the review and say there is no foul for
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Speaker 3: roughing the kicker because the player that did rough the
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Speaker 3: kicker potentially did also touch the football. These are the
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Speaker 3: additional challenges no pun intended with all of it, that
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Speaker 3: the entire sporting world is starting to deal with, and
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Speaker 3: that is we like the fact that we have more technology.
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Speaker 3: We like the fact that we're getting more of these
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Speaker 3: things right, because they are hard and I think a
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Speaker 3: lot of us understand that they are hard and technology
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Speaker 3: can help us get it right. But I also think
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Speaker 3: we're on that little edge. We can't just add technology
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Speaker 3: because we have a new shiny object to use in
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Speaker 3: a new toy. The end of the day, increasing technology
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Speaker 3: is only good under one circumstance, and that's if it
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Speaker 3: makes the game better, not if it makes the game slower,
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Speaker 3: more choppy, more confusing. If officials then don't feel comfortable
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Speaker 3: making split second decisions because of the ramifications of that
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Speaker 3: decision that could be changed or not changed as a
17:45
Speaker 3: result of technology. So we are living in that world.
17:49
Speaker 3: So you have this tip. Now a player is looking
17:51
Speaker 3: at you on the field as a ref And players
17:53
Speaker 3: aren't always honest, right, I mean, they're always interfered with
17:57
Speaker 3: they get up, they're human, they're trying to sell something.
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Speaker 3: But now this player gets up and says, I tipped it.
18:02
Speaker 3: I tipped it. Believe me, Everyone in New York is
18:04
Speaker 3: scrubbing every angle they can as quickly as they possibly can.
18:08
Speaker 3: And I think there were a few articles that actually said, look,
18:10
Speaker 3: they didn't see the enhance view. This was a something
18:13
Speaker 3: came from the NFL, right, But two plays later, Fox
18:16
Speaker 3: Broadcast puts out an enhance view. They see the tip,
18:18
Speaker 3: it's too late, or the coach could have challenged it. Yeah,
18:23
Speaker 3: you know that's these are these things we're living with
18:25
Speaker 3: and as we go through this, adding more technology, more
18:29
Speaker 3: four K. Is this better for the game? Is it
18:33
Speaker 3: not better for the game? But yeah, in that situation,
18:35
Speaker 3: New York could have fixed it had they seen it
18:37
Speaker 3: rather quickly or to that time frame between the next snap.
18:42
Speaker 3: And if the coach is trusting the player who's over
18:45
Speaker 3: there adamantly saying listen, trust me, man, throw the flag here,
18:49
Speaker 3: I touched this. That's the decision they have to make.
18:52
Speaker 3: So they're making calls over there as well, you know,
18:54
Speaker 3: coaches as to whether to pull their red flag out
18:56
Speaker 3: or not. But it was reviewable by them if they
18:59
Speaker 3: so when we're trying to do so interesting.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, Gene, it's been it's been real man,
19:05
Speaker 2: and happy Thanksgiving to you. I am interested. I mean
19:09
Speaker 2: you you're not going to get your turkey for a minute,
19:12
Speaker 2: because you're working thirty seven games to be able to
19:15
Speaker 2: afford your wife's Black Friday shopping. But if you do,
19:18
Speaker 2: if you have your preference, are you just a regular
19:21
Speaker 2: baked turkey. Are you a deep fried turkey guy? Smoked
19:24
Speaker 2: turkey guy? What's your preference?
19:27
Speaker 3: You know, I was always a traditional guy. And then
19:29
Speaker 3: you know, like three or four years ago, it was like, dude,
19:32
Speaker 3: you put this thing in hot oil, it cooks in
19:33
Speaker 3: ten minutes. You don't have to sit in there with
19:35
Speaker 3: that thermometer and the turkey's boss looking the temperature all
19:39
Speaker 3: the time and a frage you're not cooking it through.
19:41
Speaker 3: And then this beautiful social media shows after I watched
19:45
Speaker 3: a few explosions here over the last two days on
19:49
Speaker 3: you know, on the social sites, on what happens if
19:51
Speaker 3: the oil is too hot you drop the turkey. And
19:54
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can do that withe Bucky. Now,
19:56
Speaker 3: there was one out there that had the firemen all
19:58
Speaker 3: full geared with a big stension poles dipping the turkey
20:02
Speaker 3: in that I think I would do only for the
20:04
Speaker 3: entertainment of it. I'm not sure that I'm you know,
20:07
Speaker 3: dig into that bird, but I wouldn't mind seeing that
20:10
Speaker 3: happen kind of from a distance. You know. I'd like
20:12
Speaker 3: to be a spectator on that one. But I'm an
20:15
Speaker 3: old school guy. I mean, let's cook it make it
20:17
Speaker 3: last all day, and and let's all sleep on the
20:21
Speaker 3: couch for forty eight hours after we gorge ourselves and
20:24
Speaker 3: everything on the table. I mean, that's that's just kind
20:26
Speaker 3: of how I.
20:27
Speaker 6: Roll with it.
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Speaker 2: I'm with you one hundred percent. And by the way,
20:29
Speaker 2: tip from a three hundred plus pound guy, if you
20:32
Speaker 2: do get a piece of that dry turkey breast from
20:35
Speaker 2: four or five days old, you don't have to just
20:38
Speaker 2: go mayonnaise. That's if you're putting on a sandwich, you
20:41
Speaker 2: just got to put some extra gravy on it. Enough
20:43
Speaker 2: gravy helps everything out and they will no longer be dry.
20:46
Speaker 3: It's all about the gravy. Isn't a monkey about the grave?
20:50
Speaker 2: Yeap solves it every time.
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Speaker 3: That tip for view, my friends. I believe you. I
20:54
Speaker 3: believe you, and I will take that tip and I'll
20:57
Speaker 3: let you know how that goes. We'll go extra gravy
20:59
Speaker 3: on Monday, all right, Jane.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much, and have a happy Thanksgiving.
21:05
Speaker 3: Say to you in all, Thanks so much. Stake care
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Speaker 3: all right.
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21:51
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. It is Bucky Jacobson and
21:53
Speaker 2: Ashley Ryan sans Chuck. He is enjoying Turkey and decorating
21:58
Speaker 2: for Christmas prematurely, that's what he does this time of year,
22:01
Speaker 2: and he needed to take time off to do so,
22:03
Speaker 2: so good for him. We've had a lot to talk
22:06
Speaker 2: about today, but this is our first time getting to
22:08
Speaker 2: discuss the new team in town, but one of my
22:11
Speaker 2: favorite teams in town. And as far as I'm concerned,
22:14
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving is time for comfort food and this guy is
22:18
Speaker 2: comfort food for your ears. Ever it fits you, the
22:21
Speaker 2: voice of the Seattle Crack And how you doing, brother.
22:25
Speaker 3: I'm doing well. Thank you very much for that wonderful.
22:27
Speaker 2: In well, It's true you do realize that. I mean,
22:32
Speaker 2: you don't put me to sleep like Trip to Fan
22:34
Speaker 2: and Turkey does. But it's like, you know how you
22:37
Speaker 2: have like a nice bowl of soup on a rainy
22:40
Speaker 2: fall day and you're just like, oh, you need cozy
22:43
Speaker 2: up in the chair here and watch a game. Like
22:46
Speaker 2: That's basically when I hear your voice, I'm like, this
22:48
Speaker 2: is it right here? Comfort food for my ear drugs.
22:51
Speaker 6: It's very calming and relaxing. I appreciate that, thank you.
22:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, facts are facts, man. All right, Well, let's dive
22:58
Speaker 2: into what we witnessed over the weekend. Kind of a
23:02
Speaker 2: I was explaining it on yesterday about kind of a
23:06
Speaker 2: weird weekend where you got points and I suppose I'm
23:09
Speaker 2: not I shouldn't be greedy. You got points in both
23:11
Speaker 2: games of a back to back, the first one overtime
23:15
Speaker 2: win and then an overtime loss in the shootout. It
23:19
Speaker 2: was kind of a win and a loss, but it
23:21
Speaker 2: felt both of them felt distinctly different, and yet it
23:24
Speaker 2: really is just a one point difference in the whole thing.
23:26
Speaker 2: How do you feel about the back to back on
23:28
Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday?
23:30
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think for for Seattle, the big
23:34
Speaker 8: thing was you're trying to You're trying to snap that
23:39
Speaker 8: that streak of not winning game two of a back
23:42
Speaker 8: to back, and I think over the last year plus
23:46
Speaker 8: on the Sunday game Allong Island, that was the closest
23:49
Speaker 8: best team's ever come and.
23:51
Speaker 6: Then the best I think they've played in that situation.
23:54
Speaker 8: It's never easy in this league to play back to backs,
23:57
Speaker 8: just given the travel then all that goes into to it.
24:02
Speaker 8: But I felt really good about how the team played
24:05
Speaker 8: over the weekend. I feel like in the past that
24:08
Speaker 8: game on Sunday could have gone an entirely different direction.
24:13
Speaker 8: That game could have gotten pretty squirrely pretty fast. But
24:16
Speaker 8: the fact that you were able to limit the Islanders
24:20
Speaker 8: in their chances. Gruba or a Decord was phenomenal, stopping
24:24
Speaker 8: thirty four shots that he faced. And the weird quirk
24:29
Speaker 8: about hockey is that even though he took the shootout loss,
24:32
Speaker 8: he still got credited with a shutout in that game.
24:35
Speaker 3: So to come.
24:36
Speaker 8: Back to be the last line of defense and to
24:39
Speaker 8: shut down the Islanders in the way that he did,
24:42
Speaker 8: you know, I thought that was absolutely phenomenal. I felt
24:46
Speaker 8: the trip overall there were probably more way more ups
24:49
Speaker 8: and positives than there were downs. You're down to nothing
24:53
Speaker 8: to Chicago on Thursday, you come back with three in
24:57
Speaker 8: the third the first time in Cracking history that a
25:00
Speaker 8: team has trailed by two or more goals going into
25:04
Speaker 8: the third period and have come back to win in regulation.
25:08
Speaker 8: And then I think against the Penguins team that's off
25:11
Speaker 8: to a pretty good start despite what a lot of
25:14
Speaker 8: people have thought about them, you go into their building
25:17
Speaker 8: and you pick up a victories overall, you take five
25:20
Speaker 8: of the eight points on the road trip. You're happy
25:23
Speaker 8: with it. That's been the mo of this team all year.
25:27
Speaker 8: They've picked up points when they needed to. They've won
25:30
Speaker 8: more than they've lost. They've gotten more points than than
25:34
Speaker 8: not over certain stretches. And now here we are at
25:37
Speaker 8: a pretty important time of the season, sitting pretty pretty
25:42
Speaker 8: firmly in a playoff spot.
25:44
Speaker 5: Okay, Everett, I do have to ask just going back
25:46
Speaker 5: to this back to back thing, because obviously, what has
25:48
Speaker 5: it been like fourteen or thirteen games that they'd they've
25:51
Speaker 5: lost the second just.
25:54
Speaker 8: Fifteen and their last seventeen game twos.
25:59
Speaker 2: Of back to backs.
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Speaker 4: So that's yeah, that's that's not great.
26:02
Speaker 5: And I just I mean, the crazy thing is though,
26:04
Speaker 5: this last Sunday, as I'm watching that game, and you
26:07
Speaker 5: know they're they're now going to the shootout after zero
26:10
Speaker 5: zero just just a phenomenal defensive game, phenomenal efforts by
26:14
Speaker 5: both goalies all game long. And then they go into
26:17
Speaker 5: the shootout and they have to even add the extra
26:20
Speaker 5: because they've you know, they're still even they're still tied.
26:22
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking to myself, if any there's any time
26:26
Speaker 5: that they could win that second back to back, it's now.
26:29
Speaker 5: They can't get any closer to winning the second back
26:32
Speaker 5: to back.
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Speaker 4: So now, what.
26:35
Speaker 6: Listen, I mean eighteenth times the charm?
26:39
Speaker 4: I guess, okay, all right, that's the same.
26:41
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's the same.
26:42
Speaker 4: I've heard that before.
26:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, the.
26:44
Speaker 8: Eighteenth fool me one, shame on you, and and then
26:47
Speaker 8: fool me seventeen or more times. No, yep, it's it's
26:54
Speaker 8: one of those weird quirks, actually, you know.
26:56
Speaker 6: And it's it's I can't explain it.
26:59
Speaker 8: And and I I remember last season, sitting on the
27:03
Speaker 8: bus the last road game of the year, me and
27:05
Speaker 8: John Floreslan and Al and JT were sitting there scrashing
27:09
Speaker 8: our heads and we're like, John has been doing this
27:12
Speaker 8: for thirty plus years, and he goes.
27:13
Speaker 6: I've never seen this before.
27:14
Speaker 8: I don't understand what it is why this team can't
27:19
Speaker 8: win the second game of back to back. And listen,
27:22
Speaker 8: at the end of the day, you're going to lose games.
27:25
Speaker 8: No one's ever gonna go oh and eight or eighty
27:28
Speaker 8: two and zero, and it is, you know, another game.
27:33
Speaker 8: And I think a bigger, large view of this, a
27:38
Speaker 8: twenty thousand foot view of this. Is it that big
27:41
Speaker 8: of a deal? Probably not, but it just it's such
27:45
Speaker 8: a glaring number. And I'm with you.
27:47
Speaker 6: I think this is they played as well as they
27:51
Speaker 6: could have.
27:51
Speaker 8: I even go back to the game in Dallas earlier
27:54
Speaker 8: this year where they lost to to one on the
27:56
Speaker 8: second game of the back to back after a game
27:58
Speaker 8: in Saint Louis, and I remember saying, man, that was
28:01
Speaker 8: the best game too effort that I've seen in over
28:04
Speaker 8: a year. Well then you fast forward to this past
28:06
Speaker 8: Sunday night, and I'm saying the same thing. You you
28:10
Speaker 8: cannot get any closer to winning game two of a
28:14
Speaker 8: back to back than a one nothing shootout loss in
28:18
Speaker 8: which you scored one goal. In the shootout, they scored
28:22
Speaker 8: two goals. In the shootout, So again, it cannot get
28:26
Speaker 8: any closer. So I'm just gonna go back to that
28:28
Speaker 8: age old saying eighteen times at charge.
28:32
Speaker 5: Well, good news, they've got four more chances to do
28:34
Speaker 5: it in the next six weeks.
28:36
Speaker 4: Four more back to that games in the next six weeks.
28:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, hey, Fitzy, any chance we can
28:42
Speaker 2: see Jerry mccannon in this game tomorrow against the Dallas Stars.
28:48
Speaker 8: You never say never. I will say he did go
28:50
Speaker 8: on this last road trip. He was a very active
28:53
Speaker 8: member in practice. He was taking regular line rushes and shifts.
28:59
Speaker 8: You know, I've seen him walk around the team in
29:03
Speaker 8: the locker room area and he looks fine. Obviously looking
29:07
Speaker 8: fine in your street clothes is a lot different than
29:09
Speaker 8: on the ice.
29:10
Speaker 6: I think he's looked good on the ice.
29:13
Speaker 8: Hopefully today during or after practice will have an update
29:16
Speaker 8: on Jared mccannon. But he did go on the trip.
29:19
Speaker 8: He was skating with the team, He was active with
29:21
Speaker 8: the team, So I mean, I'm hoping that he's back tomorrow.
29:26
Speaker 8: But I was also hoping that he would be back
29:28
Speaker 8: on this last road trip because he went with the team,
29:30
Speaker 8: and obviously he didn't go, So hopefully later today, we'll
29:34
Speaker 8: have an update on him.
29:35
Speaker 2: All right. Well, from all of us here to you
29:39
Speaker 2: and all of yours, Happy Thanksgiving because you are you
29:42
Speaker 2: are the gravy of crack and hockey. I mean, we
29:45
Speaker 2: just put you on anything and you make it better.
29:49
Speaker 8: Well, thank you, thank you very much, and have your
29:50
Speaker 8: Thanksgiving to you. Happy Thanksgiving to all the listeners out there.
29:54
Speaker 8: And I think most importantly, let's go Lions.
29:58
Speaker 2: Uh okaya. I don't I don't know if that was
30:01
Speaker 2: the way we should have ended this, but okay, just
30:05
Speaker 2: go ahead and cut him, cut them, cut the mic.
30:07
Speaker 8: Who doesn't love nine am hockey, who doesn't earn football?
30:10
Speaker 6: Nine am football? On Thursday? You're up and the Lions
30:13
Speaker 6: are going to play and get off.
30:15
Speaker 2: So what I have to start eating is when that
30:18
Speaker 2: kickoff happens. I have to start eating. I can't stop
30:20
Speaker 2: until Monday, non stop. You too, yep, yep you.
30:25
Speaker 3: I'll be right there all weekend.
30:27
Speaker 2: Alright, Well, Fitzy, I appreciate it, man, I have a
30:30
Speaker 2: great Thanksgiving.
30:31
Speaker 6: But you two guys take care of thanks all right.
30:34
Speaker 2: Ever it fits you the voice of the Seattle Cracking.
30:36
Speaker 2: We are going to come back and dive into a
30:39
Speaker 2: little bit of tailgame tailgating antics that I might be
30:43
Speaker 2: up for when it comes to partying with the Medleys
30:46
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Speaker 4: Shake it up, Actually, shake it, shake it Yep.
30:58
Speaker 2: So I knew the song, but I couldn't have told
31:00
Speaker 2: you it was the Cars unless you gave me a
31:01
Speaker 2: multiple choice between that and Huey's gonna.
31:04
Speaker 4: Probably be the way I do everything from now on.
31:06
Speaker 2: Well that's it gives me at least a fifty to
31:08
Speaker 2: fifty chance.
31:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did also like that.
31:10
Speaker 5: By the way, get a text in that someone suggested,
31:12
Speaker 5: maybe Everett is the Elk Dip of announcers.
31:15
Speaker 4: Ooh, something to think about.
31:18
Speaker 2: At least that's possible. Yeah, it's possible. Elk dip is
31:21
Speaker 2: not real good for you.
31:26
Speaker 4: Yeah you're right.
31:27
Speaker 2: Then again, I did call him the Gravy of crack
31:30
Speaker 2: and hockey, which gravy is not real good for you either,
31:32
Speaker 2: But it's so good.
31:33
Speaker 4: So delicious, and you want it on everything.
31:35
Speaker 2: It makes everything better.
31:36
Speaker 5: I mean, if Everett was calling every game of your
31:38
Speaker 5: life or narrating your life, how happy would.
31:40
Speaker 2: You be that'd be wonderful. Actually, if he would just
31:43
Speaker 2: follow me around and be like, now and he's going
31:46
Speaker 2: out to light the barbecue.
31:48
Speaker 4: Light the barbecue or go to the bathroom, one or
31:50
Speaker 4: the other.
31:51
Speaker 2: I don't want him necessarily following me everywhere.
31:53
Speaker 4: He wouldn't go in the bathroom with you.
31:55
Speaker 2: He would just announce that I'm going, yes, and then
31:58
Speaker 2: he would like go he came, he'd be.
32:02
Speaker 3: Like, oh.
32:06
Speaker 2: Wow, that would be scary but interesting.
32:10
Speaker 1: You know.
32:10
Speaker 4: What to think about.
32:11
Speaker 2: Something else that would be is going to be interesting,
32:14
Speaker 2: is is whether or not I actually pull the trigger
32:17
Speaker 2: on this idea of going and tailgating with the Medleys
32:20
Speaker 2: and your crew, old crew.
32:22
Speaker 5: What do you mean if you pull the trigger? I
32:24
Speaker 5: thought we already decided this was happening. We're now having
32:26
Speaker 5: second thoughts. Palmer the Great is ten now eleven eleven.
32:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, she is a trash talker.
32:33
Speaker 2: By the way, barn is only eight and he is
32:35
Speaker 2: very kind, very kind.
32:37
Speaker 4: Talk trash to him. She'll talk trash to you, Okay. Yeah.
32:40
Speaker 4: She boos Bonex every time she sees him on TV.
32:43
Speaker 2: That is not right.
32:44
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well, we don't hate on Bonus anymore.
32:46
Speaker 4: She's like I do. Mom.
32:48
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, okay, you've brainwashed this poor child.
32:51
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to No, I think you did it.
32:54
Speaker 5: I didn't know that years later, after he'd left Oregon,
32:57
Speaker 5: it would stick with her.
32:57
Speaker 2: That is not good. No, so good.
33:01
Speaker 5: So she'll comment, probably on the horrible Oregon clothing you're wearing.
33:06
Speaker 2: Which is not going to be horrible. It's mostly black.
33:10
Speaker 2: Who doesn't like black.
33:11
Speaker 5: She'll probably look at the O and go something like ugh, yeah,
33:15
Speaker 5: but that's it. And then she'll be happy to see you,
33:17
Speaker 5: especially because here's what you have to know about Palmer
33:20
Speaker 5: the Great and what has transpired over this last week.
33:23
Speaker 5: I told her that Chuck was out and that just
33:25
Speaker 5: you and I would be on the show. And then
33:27
Speaker 5: she said, she said your name. Oh, she that's what
33:30
Speaker 5: it was. We heard your one of your ads. She goes, hey, folks,
33:34
Speaker 5: I said, that's right, Bucky Jacobson here. And then she
33:37
Speaker 5: says your name in a different way, and I go, no,
33:39
Speaker 5: you got to call him Bookie Yokerson. Oh, and now
33:42
Speaker 5: she finds that to be the best name that has
33:44
Speaker 5: ever been given, Yakerson.
33:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
33:47
Speaker 2: So so she's a little bit bilingual. Then that's good.
33:49
Speaker 2: Bookie Jkerson. That was that what I was called in
33:52
Speaker 2: Dominican and Venezuela, which you just take it. It's not
33:56
Speaker 2: one of those We've had that discussion here. Why don't
33:58
Speaker 2: people correct pronunciation of their names. It's typically like Latin players, right,
34:04
Speaker 2: I mean, I played with Marco Scutero, and yet it
34:08
Speaker 2: was Scutaro, is what I thought his name was as
34:12
Speaker 2: a teammate, and that's what our our announcer called him.
34:16
Speaker 2: Next up your second basement, Marco's Scutaro. And then apparently
34:19
Speaker 2: years later we find out that Scutero and I guess
34:22
Speaker 2: it's just you just go with it. Another country Scutero.
34:26
Speaker 4: It's easier to say too. I don't know, it just
34:28
Speaker 4: rolls off the tongue a little better.
34:30
Speaker 2: But I mean, could you imagine me going up to
34:32
Speaker 2: the Venezuelan announcer like, it's not Bookie, Yeah, it's Bucky.
34:36
Speaker 4: I can't imagine it, and we wouldn't have the laughs
34:38
Speaker 4: we have today if you had.
34:39
Speaker 2: That's true, That is true. At least they didn't call
34:42
Speaker 2: me announce me as the red chicken. That would have
34:45
Speaker 2: been less fun.
34:45
Speaker 4: She will probably call you Bookie when she said Bookie.
34:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well I'm I'm okay with a little trash talk.
34:52
Speaker 2: I just more so. My son has not been This
34:55
Speaker 2: will be his first entrance into that atmosphere. I did
34:58
Speaker 2: take him to the Broncos Seahawk game last season, and
35:01
Speaker 2: yet that was pretty tame and I kept it low key,
35:05
Speaker 2: like I didn't go into an environment like this one
35:08
Speaker 2: where I'm gonna know people and there's gonna be open
35:10
Speaker 2: trash talking, joking. Yeah, and so I'm curious to see.
35:14
Speaker 2: I mean, he needs a little trial by fire. Never
35:16
Speaker 2: heard anybody.
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Speaker 4: It'll be some people. You know, it'll be fine, You'll
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Speaker 4: be fun.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you'll be great. Well, you're gonna have to let
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Speaker 2: me know where it is. I will tailgating will commence
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Speaker 2: leading up to the Huskies.
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Speaker 4: I just would not do the Survivor Flip Cup. If
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Speaker 4: you want to keep a team, you don't play Survivor
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Speaker 4: Flip Cup. If you want to keep a team.
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Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, I don't know what that is, but
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Speaker 2: I probably will.
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Speaker 4: A great game. Maybe we'll talk about it in one
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Speaker 4: last thing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it sounds like a plan. All right, Well, what
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about next is some more college football,
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Speaker 2: but with somebody that knows what he's talking about. Stick
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Speaker 2: around and see who that is. You know him, you
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