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Matt Dillahunty Slain by Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  To talk from Missouri, Brett, you're on.
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  Hey, how you doing? I hope you guys are having a
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  nice Christmas, Yeah. Thank you A.
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  Good Sunday. Well, I I do have a couple
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  questions if you guys have the time for me.
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  Sure. One of the first questions I
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  have is I used to be a former atheist myself.
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  I think some of you might actually Remember Me being one
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  of the first to come to social media and make videos and all
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  that. I spent a great deal of time
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  listening to atheists. I've got a lot of friends who
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  are non believers and I've discovered that on YouTube a lot
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  of them say I'm happy, I'm fine with being an atheist, I don't
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  need God, I don't need the Bible.
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  But when they're in private with people they say things like I'm
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  suicidal, I'm unhappy. I have a lot of psychological
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  issues because of abuse or tragedies that have happened in
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  my life and it's really correlated with my concept or
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  belief and a higher power in the universe.
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  And I was wondering why do you think it is that non believers
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  act one way on video but in private with people that they
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  trust or respect, they'll say things like this.
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  Why? Why the double face for Hey?
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  Brett So when you were an atheist, you didn't learn how to
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  make an honest argument, right? I've made plenty of arguments.
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  How come atheists do this one way what not?
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  How come there's a group of people?
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  How come some people do this? I love this categorical.
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  How come atheists do this one? Where is this This Why the
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  double face from atheists? Yeah, there's, there's plenty of
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  people in lots of different categories who are not going to
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  go public with their private concerns, people's personal
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  mental health issues and troubles and trials.
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  Of course, that's more likely to be discussed with friends than
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  it is with us. I can tell you this, I am not
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  now, nor have I ever been suicidal.
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  I did not. I was not wronged in any way.
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  And I'm happy to answer almost any question about my life.
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  But if you're going to call in and be, oh, I used to be an
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  atheist. And why do you think atheists
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  are like this? Well, I want to know why you
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  used to be an atheist, why you're not anymore.
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  And why, when you're asking this question, did you frame this the
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  way Jimmy pointed out that, oh, why do atheists do this?
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  Don't think Christians do this? You don't think Mormons do this?
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  You don't think Jews? I mean, Mormons are probably
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  some of the worst of it because they have a church encouraging
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  them to put a good face on things publicly.
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  Well, the reason why I bring it up is it's something that's been
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  going on for the last 20 years. According to stats, atheists
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  have quadrupled the amount of suicide rate as well as
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  substance abuse over any group out there.
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  It's been going on for. Are you capable of actually
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  addressing the issue honestly? Yeah, I'm asking why do you
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  think the stats are that atheists had they just a massive
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  amount of suicide rate and substance abuse?
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  Oh, OK, now you've had. A substance abuse in it too.
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  Go ahead, Ben. Well, well my question like how?
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  Did you? So how did you relate the the
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  depression and and mental health issues to the lack of belief
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  when, at least in my experience, any issues that I've had with
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  that have been related to human beings doing things to other
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  human beings. So how is that related to the
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  belief or lack of lack thereof, and not caused by something else
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  that is, you know, more mundane? Well, just earlier today I did
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  my own live show on GOD TV Radio and I had Atheist on there and
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  they did exactly the same thing except for one of them.
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  He was very, very honest. Now it took a little while but
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  some of them started admitting because of their parenting.
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  Mute, mute breast. Dishonest fucking ass.
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  Don't you dare, Sir. Pretend that they all did the
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  same thing, but one of them was honest.
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  Go fuck yourself. Yeah, they were.
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  Oh, is that that joyous, happy attitude there, Matt Weren't.
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  Honest. Prove that.
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  You call it honest by personally attacking someone when I've been
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  nothing but respectful and just pointing out the facts, no?
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  Sir, no, Sir, you're a you have not been respectful.
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  The point that I made, if you'd have listened, was why did you
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  frame it as if the people who fit your narrative were being
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  honest and the others weren't? Matt, we're talking about stats
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  and actual facts. You sound like you're getting
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  very angry. I don't hear the joy in you.
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  All right. Look here, I'm talking fucking
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  disgusting lying. I've muted you.
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  I'm going to write this one more time.
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  Why would you, in talking about what happened on your show,
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  claim that the atheists who talked about their depression or
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  issues or suicidal tendencies were the only ones who were
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  honest? Why would you frame it muting
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  you now? You're I heard a beep noise.
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  Did you say you finally unmuted me?
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  Yeah, because I, like I said before, I've talked to these
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  people in private. It's a different story.
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  But some of them, whenever they get on their cameras, they
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  pretend as though everything's great and wonderful.
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  But the stats do not show that. But am I on like a different
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  planet? Because I'm pretty sure this is
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  a universal human experience that when you are around people
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  in public, you act one way, you put on a front, and then when
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  you're in private you are more inclined to divulge the personal
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  things you're going through. This is universal across the
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  human experience is not an atheism.
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  Thing Yeah, Brett's just learning about social
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  performance and it's blowing his mind.
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  Well it's not just that. It's according to stats.
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  Although there are Christians who have committed suicide.
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  Fucking. Time without explaining where
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  they're coming from or what. Even when you said are the stats
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  aren't the stats aren't. Atheists are more private, but
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  if you say you have a stat that you've been so far unsighted,
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  but whatever that suggests that atheists, that non believers
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  have a tendency to participate in suicidality or depression or
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  whatever else, we can engage with that without it having a
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  single thing to do. And This is why I know.
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  I know what your motivations are here.
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  I know your motivations are to bring in this concept that you
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  will be more miserable after being a non believer.
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  And then that should somehow suggest because there would be a
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  God bringing you some kind of joy if you were a believer.
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  We all know that that's the implicit fucking argument here.
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  And I have Matt brought up Mormonism.
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  I have something to share with you.
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  My days as a believer were my most miserable.
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  This the times I was the most suicidal and attempted suicide
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  was my days as a believer because I so could not exist as
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  the person I actually am comfortably within a group of
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  believers who believe many things about my identity make me
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  essentially pathetic and filthy and everything else.
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  So it's if you want to engage on the actual argument of even if
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  this stat is true still would not indicate whether or not God
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  exists or not. And by the way, we would then
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  also get to talk about society's part in all of that because as a
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  non believer, I have been ostracized more than as a queer
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  person. And we know that queer people
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  often have a higher rate of depression and suicidality
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  because their communities turn on them because they they
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  experience from religious fucking people that
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  ostracization that that you're a piece of shit.
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  So let me answer the question for you, Brett.
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  The reason why people in communities become depressed
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  after they lose faith is assholes like you.
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  So it's my fault why the the majority of atheists are
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  suicidal depressed. Oh my God.
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  Specifically. It sounds like victim virtue to
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  me a little bit there. You're blaming other people for
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  your own issues sounds like. To you, I'm going to give you
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  exactly, I'm going to give you exactly one more chance to have
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  an honest conversation because I'm happy to tell you that yes,
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  there are people who are atheists who are suffering and
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  some of them aren't going to talk about it.
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  And the reason is because there are different social boundaries
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  with which people are comfortable with and, and
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  atheists as a maligned minority, we don't have the support
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  networks installed in place. We don't have the mountain of
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  privilege that religions have. We don't have any of that.
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  And so at this time of year when people are going to visit their
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  families, because that's what people do frequently around
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  Christmas, if you're the only atheist there and everybody else
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  just talking about Jesus this and church that and Jesus this
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  and church that, and talking about political views and things
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  that set these people aside in a different bucket, of course
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  you're going to be depressed because or sad or upset because
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  you are part of the minority. Now let's go back to the actual
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  issue here and see there are studies that address happiness.
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  And with regard to theism or atheism, those things have
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  nothing to do with whether or not a God exists.
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  I'd like to ask you, Brett, what convinced you that a God exists?
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  Well, there I will go into that with you.
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  But I do also want to point out that according to stats
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  According to stats, theists have happier, longer lives.
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  You will answer my question now because we have honestly
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  addressed your question several times or I will drop you from
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  this call and not engage with you any further.
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  I'm unmuting you now. OK, So what's your question?
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  Go fuck yourself, Brett. If you're not going to listen to
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  my one question, why should I talk to you at?
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  All well, it's difficult with the beep noises going on in the
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  ear. I didn't quite hear it.
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  You said something about unmuting.
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  Fucking liar. There was no beep when I asked.
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  When the music. Changes that a God existed you
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  lying piece of shit. Because it is more rational and
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  logical to believe there's more to the universe than just simply
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  stating it all poofed into existence from nothingness.
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  That's. Not an answer to my.
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  Question. That's my answer.
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  I'm telling you why I think it's a more rational, logical
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  position explained. By anybody objecting me dropping
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  him like a hot rock right now. I I I kind of want to.
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  Educate his ass. I get it.
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  You want easy Christians? You want easy Christians to
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  debate? I understand.
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  Oh. Hang on, hang on, hang on.
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  No, no, no. Fuck you, Brett.
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  I muted you. I don't want easy Christians.
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  I want honest Christians. I'm the one of the two of us
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  that have been engaged in more fucking debates than you would
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  ever hope to imagine to. And I have debated the most
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  dishonest motherfuckers on the planet, and I have debated some
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  of the most wonderful, honest people on the planet.
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  And when I asked one of those honest people what convinced
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  them that a God exists, they don't spit some fucking pablum
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  about how it's more rational. Of course you think it's more
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  rational. That was a fucking given.
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  I wanted to be actual evidence or argument, but you can't have
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  that honest conversation and in response to it you decide to
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  shit on all the other Christians and pretend that they're less
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  honest than you. I didn't say anything like that.
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  We'll. Let everybody else deal with you
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  now while I play chess. All right, can I ask another
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  question? A more sciencey thing than
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  psychological. We're not done with the question
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  we asked. You well, you said he was going
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  to go play chess. I didn't know he was still there
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  and. I'm still here, Mother fucker.
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  Brett, you were asked why you believe in God and you said
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  because it's more rational to believe that there's more to the
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  universe than it just pooped into existence, which is not an
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  explanation for God. Because I think everybody here
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  thinks that there's more of an explanation than fucking magic,
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  which is what pooped into existence means.
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  So you haven't even given you're a theist, we're atheist, and you
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  gave your reasoning being acclaimed that.
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  I think all four of us also claim we think that it's more
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  than just pooped into the universe because we wouldn't say
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  something so radically stupid to describe The Big Bang.
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  Well, one of the one of the reasons, one of the well, I'm
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  trying to answer your question, one of the positions that
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  atheists hold is that they go along with science and a pop
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  Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. What's the problem?
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  I'm trying to answer your question.
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  Your answer to why you believe in God does not begin with one
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  of the positions which atheists hold.
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  Your answer to I, why I do I believe in God begins with I
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  believe in God because would you like to engage with it honestly,
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  Brett? Sure, sure, sure.
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  And I get that you want to put people on the corner and all
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  that. You don't want to allow
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  explanation the. Next words out of your mouth,
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  they're going to be I believe in God because.
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  Go I believe in God because the universe has a supernatural
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  origin. Demonstrate that.
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  Well if you believe in The Big Bang then you have to believe
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  some prime mover or no is my answer.
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  Oh, I see you fucking. Idiot.
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  So it's not supernatural. The universe didn't.
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  So you can know how to obviously.
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  Engage because it does not start with if you believe The Big
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  Bang, then you have to believe blah blah blah.
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  We're talking about your belief in God and you've said that it
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  the origin of the universe has a supernatural beginning.
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  I said demonstrate it. An example of a sentence which
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  might do that would be the universe has a supernatural
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  beginning because and then the the answer would follow.
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  OK, the answer is there are. Some other.
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  Ones Brett, the answer is the same.
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  Dishonest route again. OK, choose your.
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  Favorite, but I've given you a good example.
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  All right, so as I was saying, the answer is because space and
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  time and matter came into existence.
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  Supernatural is defined by something that exists outside of
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  nature. That's the very classic
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  definition of it. So The Big Bang is supernatural
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  by origin. No.
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  No. You are incorrect that nature
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  came in, necessarily came into the existence, the nature which
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  we interact with, sure, but what you are describing, if what you
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  are describing was true, why does no physicist follow that
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  same line of reasoning? Well, most physicists believe in
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  The Big Bang, that it actually happened, that space-time and
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  matter came into existence. Space-time and matter all in an
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  all likely by a natural. Hey, by the way, Brett, I'm not
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  even telling you that it didn't happen by supernatural means.
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  Of course not. I'm telling.
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  You that there has been no demonstration of whether or not
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  The Big Bang happened by natural or supernatural.
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  That said, natural things have been demonstrated billions of
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  times over. Supernatural things have been
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  demonstrated to even be possible a whopping 0 times.
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  So the rational person, as you like to talk about rationality
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  goes. Which one of those am I going to
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  line up with? A supernatural explanation with
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  its zero demonstrations of ever occurring or the natural, the
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  potential for a natural explanation?
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  Which one am I going to presume though with the ability to be
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  incorrect? But it's probably more likely to
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  be the category under which The Big Bang follows.
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  Well, the rational. Person's face, right?
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  Well, it is rational and logical.
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  If you believe in The Big Bang, then you believe in the
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  supernatural origin. You guys don't feel like you
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  have a lot of happiness and joy in.
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  You sound very angry. That was where he wanted to
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  identify as the sexiest man alive.
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  So I already knew it was going to be a stupid call in the 1st
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  place, but does anyone want to be some threat before we go?
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  The only thing I have to add is that a study from Bridge
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  examined the raise risk of suicide amongst people with
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  different religious affiliations and the most at risk group
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  differs based on age range. It seems to be a significant
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  factor. There was also factors like
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  social class, academic qualifications, and marital
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  statuses seem to have far more significant impact than religion
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  did. So this whole stat say.
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  Sounds like you found one study that might have suggested that,
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  which in no way suggests that the cause of the suicidality is
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  atheism, much in the same way that the cause of suicidality
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  and trans people. As was pointed out earlier, it's
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  not trans people trans miss, it's often the society and the
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  culture and the environment that they're in.
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  I don't think you've demonstrated in any capacity
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  that atheism is the cause of suicidality, and the data do not
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  support your conclusion. So get fucked, Brett.
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  Well the information can be found on Richard Dawkins
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  website. Aren't you guys buddies with
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  them? You might want to ask him, he
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  talks about it. Oh my God, you can go tog, touch
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  Dawkins spark box somewhere else.
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  Brett But you guys don't like Richard Dawkins anymore.
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  I love that. You started this I don't like.
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  You. I love that you started this was
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  I used to be an atheist and then you were like, but don't worry,
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  I'm going to spend this entire call showing that I never
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  understood even the notion of skepticism because Jesus Christ,
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  it didn't get. Close.
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  So you guys were saying earlier, if you don't mind me asking, you
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  have a difficult time being able to do the holidays because of
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  religious issues. All right, see you later.
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  There. You scared of me?
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  Are you? See you later.