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Cardinals Interested in Dylan Cease. But is it "Sincere?" · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up, everybody? Charlie Marlow here, talking a
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  little Cardinals baseball. Are you excited about the Billy
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  Joel and Sting concert for this year?
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  Are you pumped? Yes.
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  No, we're not really going to talk about that.
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  That was the news yesterday. Some people are going crazy.
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  Hey, you. You can't have a concert when
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  you're trying to sign players. It's just a concert, folks.
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  It's just a concert. And you know what?
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  I'll probably go. I saw Billy Joel at Busch
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  Stadium several years ago and it was awesome.
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  I'm not a huge Sting guy, but I would go to that show for sure.
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  Anyway, I want to talk about Dylan Cease because there was
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  some chatter also last night with Ken Rosenthal reporting
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  that the Cardinals could still possibly be interested.
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  So look, man, don't be mad at me.
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  Don't be mad at me for talking about Dylan Cease.
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  Do I think it's going to happen? No.
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  But it's interesting to talk about for a a couple different
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  reasons and this is the time of year.
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  We're not. A lot is going on.
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  Everybody's waiting on all these other pitchers.
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  Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery and all that.
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  So you got a guy like Cease who's in the trade market.
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  Clearly. By the way before I get to Cease
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  also, I just saw Michael Brantley has retired according
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  to John Paul Morosi. Michael Brantley very good
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  player. One of those guys always, always
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  linked to the Cardinals. When he come to the Cardinals
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  with the Cardinals sign him. I feel like for about 8 years it
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  was always will Michael Brantley come to the Cardinals?
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  Well, he never did. Heck of a career.
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  And now he's retiring. But back to Dylan C So here's
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  the actual report. I did write it down.
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  I made a couple notes here. So from Ken Rosenthal in The
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  Athletic. So he said Ken Rosenthal, who's
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  one of the best in the business. Let's be real.
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  I'm a big fan of Ken Rosenthal. Very, very great reporter.
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  Always been very good to me. Just seen him over the years and
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  interviewing him here and there. So he says the Yankees and the
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  Orioles have, quote, sincere interest, sincere interest.
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  I think this is pretty funny because that basically means who
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  are the teams that are actually really interested?
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  Probably the New York Yankees and the Baltimore Orioles.
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  That's sincere interest. So also in the article it says
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  the Dodgers, the Cardinals, and the Red Sox, possibly still in
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  the mix because of basically previously reported interest.
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  So there's the kicker right there.
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  Are the Cardinals actually still interested?
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  Was this was this a month or so ago?
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  Was this before you signed Gray and Lynn and Kyle Gibson?
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  We know the Cardinals were reportedly interested in Tyler
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  Glass. Now, Tyler Glass now said that
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  on on foul territory the show with AJ Perszynski.
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  So are the Cardinals really, actually sincerely interested in
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  Dylan Sees right now? Look, I'm sure they're kicking
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  the tires on them. Are they actually going to make
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  that deal? I'd say hell no.
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  I I think it's, it's like I said with the Yamamoto.
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  What is it a 1% chance. It's it's a 1% chance.
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  It's something like that. Dylan sees has two years of
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  control left. So here's another interesting
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  part though. I want to just reiterate for the
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  87th time, I do not think the Cardinals are going to trade for
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  Dylan sees this winter. I also don't know is, is he
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  going to get moved? Because if you're the White Sox,
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  don't you have almost as much trade value for Dylan Cease at
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  the deadline as you do right now?
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  Because he has two years of control.
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  So a team will still get him for two playoff runs if they trade
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  for him at the deadline. And also he's coming off not a
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  great year, I think. I think another thing that's
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  interesting to talk about with Dylan Cease, and maybe I talk
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  about FIP too much, but look, he had the fantastic year two
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  seasons ago. From an ERA standpoint.
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  That year, his ERA was 2.20. All right, that was 2022.
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  Even that year, though, his FIP was 3.1.
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  So his FIP, his fielding independent pitching was almost
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  a full run higher than his ERA for that year.
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  Now he was great again in 2022, but, and I I do like FIP, so if
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  you guys don't like it, I'm sorry, I do.
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  I do cite it a lot. I think it's interesting though,
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  because his career ERA is 3.83 and his career FIP is 3.86.
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  So that makes you think that this guy is is actually more of
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  a 3.8, whatever it is type pitcher.
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  Maybe he gets better. He just turned 28 years old.
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  So I I do think, something interesting to discuss with
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  Dylan, C says. I think sometimes we look at the
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  baseball card stats, and I'm guilty of that as well.
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  But if if you're thinking Dylan sees 2.20 ERA two years ago,
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  you're getting an absolute stud #1 ace.
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  Is he really good? Yes.
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  Would I want him on the Cardinals?
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  Absolutely. Would I probably slot him right
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  up there before Sonny Gray. Right after Sonny Gray, with
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  Sonny Gray, Whatever. Whatever you want to do.
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  I mean he's a he's a front end of the starting rotation pitcher
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  that that's what he is. But I mean is he more of a
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  Jordan Montgomery and and there's nothing wrong with
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  Jordan Montgomery I just think sometimes you know if you're
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  talking about a guy with a three 8 ERA very solid dependable
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  pitcher in the big leagues is that your your front end number
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  one playoff ace type guy. I don't know for the Cardinals
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  dude. I would take him in a heartbeat.
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  Again I just I think sometimes that that ERA from two years ago
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  pops oh we're getting a dude with a 2 ERA.
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  Well you're more so getting a guy who's around a four and
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  there's nothing wrong with that there's there's nothing wrong
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  with that but do you want to give up the farm for that guy If
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  you have to give up 3 or 4 high end prospects for Dylan sees for
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  two years do you do that now? If you're the Cardinals if you
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  make a deal for Dylan sees you're also going to sign him.
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  So you're not giving up a ton for Dylan sees unless you're
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  going to sign that guy long term and look he is the candidate
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  just turned 28 years old. So with two years of control
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  let's say he he gets traded to a team, they give him a nice
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  extension and all of a sudden I mean do you get a 6-7 year deal?
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  But if if you're him also, would you want to sign an extension
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  unless you get a major extension?
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  Think about like this, if you're don't cease you're two years
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  away from free agency and you're going to hit free agency
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  essentially at the age of 30. Why would you sign an extension
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  when you see Aaron Nola He's getting seven years and 172.
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  So he's getting paid till he's like 37 years old.
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  I think you're going to see the same thing you're going to see
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  Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery probably get deals where they're
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  paid till about they're 37 years old.
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  So if I'm if I'm don't seize I wouldn't sign an extension
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  unless you pay me till I'm 37 years old.
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  So to me that's that's a nine year deal.
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  Let's be real. That's a nine year deal.
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  He just turned 28. He has two years of control
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  left. If I'm him, I want a deal in the
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  range of years of Irenoa. That means pay me till I'm 37
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  years old. Give me like a nine year deal.
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  And is that crazy to think of when Yamamoto is getting, what,
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  12 years and all that? It's not.
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  So back to the Cardinals though. We'll finish up with this.
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  I do think. Look, it makes sense for the
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  Cardinals to be interested in Dylan sees.
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  What if he's not moved? What if he's not moved this
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  winter? And what if he does play and
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  pitch for the White Sox for the first four months or so?
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  The Cardinals at the deadline? Is that the time to get back in?
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  If Dylan Cease is still with the White Sox, you still get two
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  playoff runs for Dylan Cease if that's the case, and also you
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  can see what you have if you're the Cardinals.
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  Because let's be real. I think most people think that
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  they are going to have some injury issues when your entire
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  starting rotation is eligible for AARP and they all go for the
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  for the Denny's Early Bird special for for a dinner at
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  4:30. Obviously kidding here, But
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  Sunny Gray what, 34? You have Kyle Gibson and Lance
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  Lynn, 35 years old, whatever they are.
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  So you have a very old pitching staff for the Saint Louis
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  Cardinals. All right, I think that's about
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  it. Short video.
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  I told you guys I was going to be doing more on camera stuff
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  here. Don't cease.
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  I think it's a pipe dream, but it's OK to talk about it.
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  Don't be mad at me for talking about it.
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  Don't be mad at me for putting Dylan sees in the thumbnail.
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  I said it's a 1% chance of happening.
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  Could it happen at the deadline? We shall see.
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  The Yankees and the Orioles, according to Ken Rosenthal, have
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  the sincere interest. So the Cardinals are just kind
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  of there. Are you happy, though, that the
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  Cardinals are there? They're just in the article.
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  Is that enough for you guys? The Cardinals are just in the
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  article. Maybe John Mozelak is calling
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  all these pitchers, calling all these teams.
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  Excuse me. On these pitchers so that
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  Cardinals fans will be excited when they read the articles and
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  they're mentioned with the Dodgers and the Red Sox possibly
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  still in the mix because of previously reported interest.
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  But is it sincere interest like it is for the New York Yankees
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  and the Baltimore Orioles? Probably not.
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  But again, it's fun to talk about, man.
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  By the way, Harrison Bader one year deal with the Mets.
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  You know he's a New York guy. Got traded to the Yankees.
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  Likes New York center fielder for the Mets.
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  Would he get $10 million? Good for him?
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  I still think he can be really, really good.
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  Elite when he's healthy. Absolutely.
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  Defensively elite with a lot of offensive upside.
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  All right, let me know what you think.
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  If you like this show, I said yesterday we got the Brennan
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  Schaefer Cardinals podcast coming up.
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  Starting next week. That'll be fun.
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  We'll do a lot of stuff. We'll do as much as as you guys
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  want. If you guys watch the videos,
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  We'll do a ton of stuff in 2024. I think that's it.
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  Sting, Billy Joel, I will go. By the way, Billy Joel was
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  awesome at this concert, whenever that was.
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  When was that? He was like, was that 5-7 years
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  ago? I don't even remember.
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  But he sat down and he goes, all right, I don't got any new
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  stuff, same old shit. He's like, I'm going to yell out
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  two different songs, Whichever one you cheer for the most, I'm
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  going to play. It was really cool.
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  Remember, it was in the summer, so he had a family swatter.
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  There were flies around him. He's on the piano.
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  He's wearing his suit. He's swatting flies.
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  It's good stuff. So I will probably see that
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  Billy Joel is a freaking icon. He's also one of those dudes
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  where it's like you go to Billy Joel concert and you know, 20
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  songs. So how can you not enjoy Billy
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  Joel? So there you go.
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  Cardinals fans, be excited. You got Billy Joel and you got
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  Sting. You're not going to get Dylan
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  CS, but I'm still going to talk about it for 10 or 11 minutes.
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  Congratulations on Billy Joel and Sting, but not Dylan Cease.
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  Most likely because their interest is probably not really
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  sincere. All right, thanks guys.
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  Peace out. Have a great weekend.
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  See ya.