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LAUNDRIE DAD MOWS GRASS AROUND GABBY MEMORIAL AFTER CAUSE OF DEATH REPORT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Depth by throttling, Depth by throttling,
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? That means when a killer puts
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  Speaker 1: his hands around your neck and strangles you until you're dead,
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  Speaker 1: that's a throttle death strangulation. We now know that this
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  Speaker 1: young girl, Gabby Potito A was murdered b by strangulation,
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  Speaker 1: see by manual by hand strangulation. By throttling Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with me to Grace, I mean you see, Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in
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  Speaker 1: the hours just after the announcement that Gabby Petito was
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  Speaker 1: strangled dead? What's her family doing? What is Brian Lowry's
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  Speaker 1: family doing? Take a listen. How do you feel? How
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  Speaker 1: do you feel to know that Gabby Knight of strangulation
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  Speaker 1: and Wilderness of Wyoming with you? How does that make
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  Speaker 1: you feel? Did you father you that Gabby was strangled?
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  Speaker 1: Was your son involved in strangling? You are hearing protesters attacking,
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  Speaker 1: harassing Brian Lowry's father because he's out on the front
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  Speaker 1: yard cutting the grass. Take a list to our cut
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  Speaker 1: three one one, our cut three one one. Listen, mister Laundry,
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  Speaker 1: any reaction to the autopsy results? Do you have anything
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  Speaker 1: to say to Gabby's family as they're dealing with learning
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  Speaker 1: about the autopsy. Has he ever has he ever tried
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  Speaker 1: hurting Gabby in the past. Now you know why the
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  Speaker 1: gas can? What do you you must you getting gas
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  Speaker 1: or is this something you expected? Mister Laundry, why aren't
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  Speaker 1: you saying anything? Is there anything you want to say
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  Speaker 1: to Gabby's family? Do you know where Brian is? Once
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  Speaker 1: again you're hearing protesters outside Brian Laundry's home. We now
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  Speaker 1: know why he wanted the gas can and because he
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  Speaker 1: had to kind of his his yard. All right, let me
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  Speaker 1: just soap that in for a moment, no surprise, no
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  Speaker 1: registering of any emotion whatsoever. When he learns his would
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  Speaker 1: have been daughter in law is strangled dead and left
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  Speaker 1: to decompose. I wonder why did he already know she
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  Speaker 1: was strangled dead and he thinks it's appropriate to go
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  Speaker 1: cut the grass around and make shift memorial and the
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  Speaker 1: front yard to Gabby Petito, it's just insult on injury
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  Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know right now. It's ever changing high profile
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  Speaker 1: lawyer out of Florida and former FBI agent Delle Carson
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  Speaker 1: at Del Carson dot com, Karen Start, New York psychologists
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  Speaker 1: joining us out of Manhattan at karen Start dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Karen with a Ce Cheryl McCollum, Founder Director of the
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  Speaker 1: Coldcase Research Institute at Coldcase Crimes dot org. Professor Forensics,
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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  Speaker 1: Amazon and host of a brand new hit series on
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  Speaker 1: iHeart podcast Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan. But straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Massa's sight eating investigative reporter Wflatva Massa cutting the
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  Speaker 1: grass around her memorial, just a couple of hours after
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  Speaker 1: it is announced publicly that she was strangled, dead throttled. Yeah, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what we saw today outside of the Laundry
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  Speaker 1: family home at Northport. To give you some contact, Today
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  Speaker 1: marks exactly one month since Brian disappeared according to the
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  Speaker 1: family's timeline, at his October thirteenth, and this morning, after
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  Speaker 1: we learned what had happened to Gabby Petito strangulation, Manuel
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  Speaker 1: strangulation throttling. As you explained, Chris Laundry stepped outside of
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  Speaker 1: his home. Of course, the reporters were there, the protesters
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  Speaker 1: were there, and he started to mow his grass, and
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  Speaker 1: he was filmed for much of that. People so angry
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  Speaker 1: that the family is not talking, and people also angry
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  Speaker 1: anytime the family does talk through the attorney. Yesterday out
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  Speaker 1: eighteen minutes into the news conference. The news conference had
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  Speaker 1: not finished yet. I had been in touch with the
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  Speaker 1: attorney for the family asking for any statement, so as
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  Speaker 1: that news conference was happening, Stephen Bertolino did send me
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  Speaker 1: a statement which I sent my newsroom which really angered
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  Speaker 1: the family. His statement, he basically said that you know,
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  Speaker 1: Brian is currently charged with the unauthorized use of a
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  Speaker 1: debit card, and when he's located, we will address depending charges.
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  Speaker 1: And he said Gabby's death at such a young age
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  Speaker 1: as a tragedy. Gabby's mom infuriated by that, texting WFLA
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  Speaker 1: that his words are garbage. So people very angry. One
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  Speaker 1: month since Brian has been missing, and yes he was
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  Speaker 1: cutting the grass today, the father was. Before everybody jumps
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  Speaker 1: in on the panel, I want to go to Karen
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  Speaker 1: Starr on New York Psychologist joining us to the Adam
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan Karen, Gabby is strangled dead. I'm sure they found
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  Speaker 1: Bruce about her neck. Her high ortal bone may have
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  Speaker 1: been broken. Why is it there's so much outrage, including
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  Speaker 1: on my part, that the dad is out Brian Laudry's father,
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  Speaker 1: not Gabby's dad or her stepdad, mister Schmidt, but Brian
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  Speaker 1: Lawry's dad is out cutting the grass. I mean, in
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  Speaker 1: the midst of the press or wheneverything was just hitting
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  Speaker 1: the news, he goes out to my gas to cut
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  Speaker 1: the grass. I mean, that would be the last thing
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  Speaker 1: on my mind. Why is that so infuriating? It's incredibly infuriating,
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  Speaker 1: even even to being ant, because they're not even supposed that. Look,
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  Speaker 1: they're the parents, they care about their son, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: really see things through his viewpoints, but they're not even
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  Speaker 1: making an attempt to seem like they're sympathetic that this
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  Speaker 1: is horrific news and people should be mourning outrage. He's
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  Speaker 1: going out and cutting the grass, is nothing is happening.
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  Speaker 1: They send all their statements through the lawyer. They don't
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  Speaker 1: make an attempt to speak up and say we're horrified,
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  Speaker 1: this is terrible, we lest the daughter in law, nothing
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  Speaker 1: like that, so they can't even pretend that this means
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  Speaker 1: something to them. And of course when anybody hears that,
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  Speaker 1: think about it's just no one can understand why they're
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  Speaker 1: doing this. It's so cool. I mean, Cheryl McCollum, founder
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  Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute. I remember vividly
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  Speaker 1: after my fiance was murdered and I was at home
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  Speaker 1: at our family home, and it was as if it
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  Speaker 1: was as quiet as a library. Nobody talked, nobody wanted
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  Speaker 1: to eat. It just went on and on, seemingly an end.
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  Speaker 1: It was just like a silence had fallen over our
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  Speaker 1: whole household, and my parents were just heart broken that
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  Speaker 1: Keith was gone. And he is out. This guy's out
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  Speaker 1: cutting the grass. I don't get it. I think you
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  Speaker 1: just nailed it, Nancy, because he's given the impression that
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  Speaker 1: an hoa violation for his grass is more important than
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  Speaker 1: the murder of Gabby Potito. And again he's showing everybody
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  Speaker 1: what I have said from day one. He ain't worried
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  Speaker 1: about his son. He doesn't think he is out there
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  Speaker 1: somewhere hurt. He doesn't think he's harmed himself. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: think that any minute an alligator or something else is
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  Speaker 1: gonna get him. He's not. And I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: point out one more thing. Everybody said, Oh the dad
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  Speaker 1: recently joined the search. No, he didn't. He gave a
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  Speaker 1: half ass tour of nothing it's a joke and was
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  Speaker 1: out laughing and joking, laughing and joking other people and
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  Speaker 1: was photographed laughing and joky. For Pete's sake, at least
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  Speaker 1: hide it, man. I want you to take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our cut three one zero or fors at w FLA.
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  Speaker 1: This is justin Shepherd. The attorney for the Laundry family,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Bertolino, told eight on your Side, Well, Brian Laundry
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  Speaker 1: is currently charged with the unauthorized use of a debit
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  Speaker 1: card belonging to Gabby. Brian is only considerative person of
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  Speaker 1: interest in relation to Gabby Petito's demise. Gabby's mother, Nicole Schmidt, responded,
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  Speaker 1: saying his words are garbage. Well, the coroner has revealed
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  Speaker 1: how her daughter died. The FBI is still building its
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  Speaker 1: case on who is responsible crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, let me understand this straight
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  Speaker 1: back out, Tomas Societti joining us from WLA, that's where
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  Speaker 1: we got that sound. Thank you for that, Mos, Society.
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  Speaker 1: So just get his foot and choke on it, all right,
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  Speaker 1: because nobody wants to hear some partsing of words. After
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  Speaker 1: we just learn this girl's body is decomposing, rotting, rotting,
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  Speaker 1: and they can tell from what skin is still apparently
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  Speaker 1: left on her body that there is bruising and markings
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  Speaker 1: on her neck. I don't know, maybe they have to
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  Speaker 1: peel her skin back and look at muscular bruising underneath
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  Speaker 1: the skin. And the lawyer is safe. Now, Remember, Brian
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  Speaker 1: Laundry is only charged with financial card fraud. Translation, he's
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  Speaker 1: using Gabby's debit card so we could get fast food
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  Speaker 1: after she's lying out I'm dead in the Wyoming wilderness.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody wants to hear that. Why does he
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  Speaker 1: keep talking? Yeah, I mean that statement certainly angered a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, and he did confirm it. I statement,
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  Speaker 1: and you just that Brian had used the debit cards
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  Speaker 1: belonging to Gabby. The documents had been saved out for
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  Speaker 1: now we know that the debit card belonged to Gabby.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, this was what happened to Gabby is brutal
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  Speaker 1: just subjectively, it is a brutal thing that happened to her.
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  Speaker 1: She was manually strangled, and we were found out yesterday
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  Speaker 1: she was likely left in the wilderness for three to
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  Speaker 1: four weeks before she was found. So she was found
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  Speaker 1: on September nineteenth, the time of death, which we're never
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  Speaker 1: going to know the exact time of death. The coroner
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  Speaker 1: said that's not going to be listed on the desk
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  Speaker 1: or to get but three to four weeks before that
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  Speaker 1: that happened, and the attorney's statement did not, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: did not make the Petito family feel better. Certainly, that's
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  Speaker 1: safe to say. It made me feel awful, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: certainly not connected to the case in anyway. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: think about a share all the times that we were
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  Speaker 1: in court. I don't know if this ever happened to you,
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  Speaker 1: but sometimes at this exact moment, I would just actually
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  Speaker 1: feel sick. I feel sick thinking them just cutting the
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  Speaker 1: grass and going and buying gasoline, and this girl, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she's just twenty two years old, was left there like that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they weren't surprised because they already knew how she died. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you feel better, I think a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: They have shown no sorrow, no remorse, no care concerned,
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  Speaker 1: no urgency. They haven't helped law enforcement, they have not
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  Speaker 1: been transparent, They hadn't even been truthful. They are ruining
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  Speaker 1: any chance that boy is ever gonna have in front
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  Speaker 1: of a jury. So I say, keep on, keep doing it,
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  Speaker 1: because wy Woman is a death penalty state, because the
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  Speaker 1: jury is never going to hear the way the parents behaved. Never,
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna be anything. The particle Hurry's already watching. They're
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  Speaker 1: already watching. They already know it's done. Carson, this Bertolino
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  Speaker 1: needs to just stop. He needs to stop. He wants,
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  Speaker 1: he want, Well, he's hurting his client. I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you that much. Keep talking about the debit card. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he is eating a big mat while she's rotting. Don't
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  Speaker 1: remind me of that. That's when he keeps putting in
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  Speaker 1: my head. I agree with you entirely. And speaking about
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  Speaker 1: the autopsy, you know what, this also tells us that
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  Speaker 1: the condition of the body was adequate for them to
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  Speaker 1: make that pronouncement that she was throttled. It tells us
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  Speaker 1: that she was probably partly buried, and that's what took
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  Speaker 1: so long to find the actual body. Why there were
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  Speaker 1: no birds involved in things of that nature, because otherwise
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  Speaker 1: small animals would have erased that evidence. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: good thing that and of course burying someone is another
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  Speaker 1: clue about having done it intentionally. Guys, I want you
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  Speaker 1: to take a listen to our three hundred. This is
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  Speaker 1: a Tcha County Corner doctor Brinton Blue speaking to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at a three six gapping. Petito's cause of death
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  Speaker 1: was manual strangulation slash throttling. Does that mean that or
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  Speaker 1: what exactly does that mean? Because that mean does it
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  Speaker 1: mean that somebody who use their hands or some sort
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  Speaker 1: of an object throttling means that they that someone was
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  Speaker 1: strangled by human force. There was no mechanical force involved.
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  Speaker 1: People can be strangled by other means, like we have
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  Speaker 1: seen people on snowmobiles who run into a wire. That
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  Speaker 1: would be strangling by a mechanical event. But this was
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  Speaker 1: We believe this is strangling by a human being. How
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  Speaker 1: do you determine that it's a human being? Well, mainly
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  Speaker 1: because only humans have opposable thombs. But the there is
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  Speaker 1: no evidence that this was done by any kind of animal.
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  Speaker 1: As far as the cause of death, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can tell somebody use their hands as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to us, an you know, some some other object.
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  Speaker 1: You can't necessarily tell that. But when we talk about
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  Speaker 1: manual stranguling. It's as opposed to as opposed to something
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  Speaker 1: as mechanical as casting. Actually you can tell just got
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  Speaker 1: more than you can tell when hands are used to strangle.
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  Speaker 1: When there is as they keep saying, mechanical, which means
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  Speaker 1: another object other than the hands. Whether it is a rope,
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  Speaker 1: whether it is a penny hoose, whether it's a scarf.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the ligature markings on the neck. It's
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  Speaker 1: very very apparently. I mean, let's think um um epstein, epstein.
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  Speaker 1: You could see ligature marks like rope marks on the
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  Speaker 1: neck right when you have a manual by hand. You
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  Speaker 1: can actually very often see finger marks, but instead of prints,
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  Speaker 1: they're bruises. And if you strangle someone looking at them
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  Speaker 1: in the face, you will see the thumbs. Thumb markis
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  Speaker 1: right here. If the person's run behind, you'll get the
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  Speaker 1: thumb markings on the back of the neck and the
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  Speaker 1: finger marks in bruise form on the front. It's very
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  Speaker 1: obvious unless Joe Scott the skin and decomposed to the
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  Speaker 1: point that the markings are under the skin and on
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  Speaker 1: the musculature. Yeah, we're not just going to be looking
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  Speaker 1: strictly at the at the skin externally or even the
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  Speaker 1: muscles underlying. There's a couple other things that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to consider, Nancy, with the trachea, which is primarily cartilage,
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  Speaker 1: you know, next to bone. It's not as hard as bone.
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  Speaker 1: It'll actually fracture too, Okay, so you'll have fracture marks
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  Speaker 1: in that. And of course the infamous highoid bone that
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  Speaker 1: sits way way up in the neck. It's kind of
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  Speaker 1: shaped like a bird. We describe it as a birdlike
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  Speaker 1: bone or bird shaped bone. Yeah, it's an interesting bone,
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  Speaker 1: and this is why it's the only bone in the
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  Speaker 1: body that's not connected to another bone. Just let that
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  Speaker 1: sink in for a second. It actually anchors the tongue
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  Speaker 1: in the back of the throat. If everybody will just
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  Speaker 1: consider your tongue for a moment, and where it is.
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  Speaker 1: That's how high up it is in the organs of
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  Speaker 1: the neck, and so you have to really reach high
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  Speaker 1: and jelly. That's not going to happen with a hanging.
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  Speaker 1: It happens with manual strangulation. And when he's talking about
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  Speaker 1: mechanical Nancy, you went to this point just a second ago.
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  Speaker 1: What are you saying is there's no ligature involved with
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  Speaker 1: the ligature, you're gonna have margins. You'll have tiny little
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  Speaker 1: demarcations like a we call it a furrow or an
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  Speaker 1: a braided area that doesn't exist. But with a manual throttling,
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  Speaker 1: and that's different than a c clamp where you just
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  Speaker 1: grab the traitia. A manual throttling means using both hands.
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  Speaker 1: When you reflect the skin and you look at that
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  Speaker 1: muscle tissue, you'll actually see broad rain, gene hemorrhage. That's consistent. Everybody,
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  Speaker 1: Just look at the palms of your hands. Think about
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  Speaker 1: that as contact points. You're pressing against it. And Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: let me break it down even further. This is not
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  Speaker 1: just strangulation. He literally, he literally squeezed the life out
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  Speaker 1: of her. He not only cut off her air supply,
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  Speaker 1: but he also diminished or compromised the vessels, the carroated vessels,
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  Speaker 1: the juggler veins, everything that is a return and a
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  Speaker 1: supply of auction eated blood to the brain. And she
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  Speaker 1: watched this happen. If he did it from the front,
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  Speaker 1: she was eye to eye with him. She's fighting against him,
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  Speaker 1: fighting against his force. And remember this, he was never
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  Speaker 1: inspected for anything on his face. To max point, he
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  Speaker 1: was never inspected by the cops down in Florida. What
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  Speaker 1: could that have revealed? Maybe they did nail scrapings, maybe
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  Speaker 1: they came up with something there, but I know that
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  Speaker 1: they'd lost that opportunity down in Florida. Clime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I want to think about something. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to think about it, but in a murder case,
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  Speaker 1: you have to think about it. Think about it straight
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  Speaker 1: out to you, Cheryl McCollum. When she was murdered, this
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  Speaker 1: girl just a couple of years older than my girl,
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  Speaker 1: almost the age of your girl, Cheryl McCallum, no further
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  Speaker 1: away from her killer than a foot, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: the arms were bent, looking at her eye to eye
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  Speaker 1: as she died, as she struggled, as her eyes filled
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  Speaker 1: up with water and she gasped for air, eye to
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  Speaker 1: eye with her cure That is cold, Cheryl McCollum. She
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  Speaker 1: would have been eye to eye with the person that
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  Speaker 1: was going to take a vow to love her forever,
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  Speaker 1: to protect her through sickness and in health, and richard
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  Speaker 1: for poor the person. She thought she could count on
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  Speaker 1: the person, even after he slapped her repeatedly on Main Street,
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  Speaker 1: said she didn't want to be away from him for
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  Speaker 1: the night. That's who that person was to her, and
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  Speaker 1: he would have seen her eyes change and bulge, he
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  Speaker 1: would have heard a death gurgle, he would have seen
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  Speaker 1: mucus and foam and different things happened to her right
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  Speaker 1: before his eye. Why won't you take a listen? A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people are very very befuddled as to why
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  Speaker 1: no further details have been released. We know Gabby was
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  Speaker 1: not pregnant at the time she was murdered, but other
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  Speaker 1: than that, very little has been released. Taken listen to
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  Speaker 1: our cut three zero four. This is again doctor Brent
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  Speaker 1: Blue speaking. There's more information, but because it's an ongoing investigation,
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  Speaker 1: that information is not going to be released. Plus, under
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  Speaker 1: the state statutes in Wyoming, the only thing that the
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  Speaker 1: coroner is responsible for releasing is the identification of the
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  Speaker 1: body and the manner and cause of death, and everything
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  Speaker 1: else is essentially protected. But there are reasons why. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: in our investigation, we call this a homicide first and
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  Speaker 1: then the cause of death later, and that had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of a lot to do with certain circumstances and
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  Speaker 1: factors that we observed and found on our investigation. J Scott,
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  Speaker 1: Why are they not releasing any further information regarding what
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  Speaker 1: was learned by the examination of Gabby Patito's body because
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  Speaker 1: the primary person of interest, if we're going to continue
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  Speaker 1: to use that word, is still on the lamp. He's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: still at loose. He's still at loose. And listen, you know, look,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: this has been said over and over again. We can't
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: trust anything these people are saying. He's already lawyered up.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Why would anybody want to give the lawyer any more information?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And this is very specific information to the process of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: prosecuting a homicide. We're not We're they are not going
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to be feeding them any more information that they can
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: use in order to get around the law or get
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: around any of the forensic evidence that that's found or
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: discovered or developed. I understand why they're not releasing any
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: information because it's critical to the case. There's just certain
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: things that we don't need to be privy to right now.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: It's you know, it goes to the point with where
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: they're looking for Laundy to even say his damn name,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: they're looking for him. The US Marshals might have specific information,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: but they're not going to give it to us because
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: they don't want him to get away. They might have
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: some idea where he is, but they're closing in on him.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I have faith they're going to find this guy, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they don't want to reveal their hand before before it's time. Also,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, there may be facts that we learned from
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: her body, for clothing that only the killer wouldn't up. Well,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, because anything that you give to them,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: anything that you give to them, is fodder for their case.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And there's things that are very specific to this event. Nancy.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: This is an intimate, intimate, intimate crime that I still
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: think took place in the back of that van. There's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: hold on I just lost j Scott trying to get
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: him back. But Cheryl, what were you saying? That wasn't me?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But I can pee back on what Joe Scott says.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: It absolutely happened in that name. No, I asked you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a date on the why details are not being released
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: other details of the right car page. I didn't say
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's not the right call. I think it is the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: correct call. But what I'm saying is why I'm trying
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to explain why you know what I'll Q and A
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: with myself. The medical examiner is not under any duty
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to tell the media or anybody else details of that autopsy.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: The details of that autopsy may reveal facts that only
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the killer knows. You don't want a bunch of false confessions.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: You don't want to release information that could be compromised
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: in any way. There are many many reasons why we
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: say it's an on going investigation. I'm not going to release. Say, okay,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Joe Carson, jump in. Are you just absolutely covered it?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, the most important thing here is the interview
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of Brian Landry when he's actually apprehended. And I taught
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: interview interrogation for the FBI for a number of years,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And the whole point here is that you want to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: make sure you don't get a fraudulent confession. So it
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: also protects the defendants. Are the accused in cases like this,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: it's critical to the successful prosecution in so many ways
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that the revelation of those details can ultimately co want
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that to happen. Joining you right now, go ahead, there's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: just coming to U. Mass Societes joining me from w
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: FLA jump and everybody. Massa is right there on the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Saint in Florida. Go ahead, Massa and I just you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I've been emailing back and forth with officials in Titon
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: County trying to get the full autopsy report, and you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: this is what they're claiming right now, outside of that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: schedual pressure, all the good reasons you guys are explaining
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to not release anything more to protect the eventual prosecution.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I'm being told that Underwyoming state statute, full autosecute reports
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: are not allowed to be released to the public unless
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: it is sport ordered. So they're telling me, I'm going
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: back and forth with them on email right now, you're
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: not going to get anything other than that one piece
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: of paper that was released yesterday, which, by the way,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it was dated October fifth. It would final a week later.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: But October fifth, they had created that document and they
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: had said it with thrittling death by manuel triangulation. All
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the years I prosecuted and never really thought about the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: public getting the autopsy report. I would have it and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: go through it with a fine tooth comb, but I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: never thought would it be released. You don't want jurars,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: also potential jurrs reading the autopsy report and coming up
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: with their own medical conclusions, which, believe me, believe it
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: or not, they will go back to the jury room
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and try to come up with other conclusions. It happens,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: believe it or not. All the time, we did learn
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: something else, very interesting, very revealing. Take a listen to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: our cut three zero one. Again, this is a Teachak
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: County corner doctor Brent Blue speaking to our friends at
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a three six. You said today, and I'm quoting, this
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is only one of many deaths around the country people
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: who are involved in domestic violence, and it's unfortunate that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: these other deaths do not get as much coverage as
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: this one. Unquote. Your point about coverage is absolutely well taken. Um,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who do not receive this
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: kind of coverage or this kind of interest frankly from
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the public. Um that your statement that will also suggests,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's intentional or not, that
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that you determine Gaby Peter's death wards the results of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: domestic violence. That is that an assumption or is that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: something you're saying based on something you learn. That's an
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: assumption strictly domestic violence. I guarantee you a doctor or
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a horn or a medical examer, it's not going to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: burn out domestic violence for no recent crime stories with
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I want to follow up on something my producer,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Jackie sire and it's not half that. Listen to this.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Gabby Petito was a line on August twenty seven. Okay,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that's the same day as the blowout at the Mary Piglet.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I think Mexican restaurant. Could that fine have continued on
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to her death that evening? Okay, what about it? Charon
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: will call me. You have analyzes the timeline over and over.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt about it, and that's
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: why I've said I can pretty much hitchhike and alone.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: On the twenty ninth, I think that was alibi building.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: By the thirtieth, he says, the bogus takes you to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: her mom about Yosemite. He's already owned the way home
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to Florida by the thirtieth in order to arrive by
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the first. There's no question about it. The twenty seventh
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: is critical Society joining the investigative reporter with w f
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: L A TV joining us there in Florida. What is
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the scene at the laundry home right now? Are there
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: any home repairs left to do? The latest we have
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: is that Chris Laundry came out and rode the lawn
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and went back in the house. The reporters are still there.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: After this autopsy information was released yesterday, there's now more
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: reporters on that scene. That's the latest of what's happening there.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: But I did want to mention regarding the date of death.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: The sci believe that she died on or before the thirtieth,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: according to a news release. So what's sign pieced together
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: with the indictment that we read. Okay, how are they
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: determining that? We don't know? To Karen start joining the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan today, Karen, the fact
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that if Laundry did this thing, he leaves her body there.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: We think, well, we know out in the open. We
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: know her body had to be moved, and that adds
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to the theory she was murdered inside her own van,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: her four transit van, and then dragged to that location.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: But then think about it, he has two full days
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to cross the country in her car, but he doesn't
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: mind using her debit card to stuff himself with what
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: fast food and make dogs. I don't know her debit card.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, what frame of mind is that, But Nancy,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: think about this. They're fighting with each other, They're stuck.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: They're seeing in the restaurant. The anger is getting worse
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and worse the fighting between them. This is a guy,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: really who is capable of hurting her. We know that right,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: of flapping her, of having angry outbursts, and he is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: a killer, so he has no conscience. Is if it
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: was him who killed her. He's looking at her as
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: we talked about. It's extremely personal and intimate the way
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: she's killed. The person doesn't mind seeing her suffer and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: die right in front of his eyes, right and then
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: he goes out the hitchhike. He's able to talk about
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: giving people money, so he has no conscience. He doesn't
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: care about the fact that he killed the person that
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: he was proposing to going to marriage, the love of
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: his life. Guys, take a listen to our cut three
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: zero two. This is again Doctor Brant was a very
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: very surprised that he spoke openly, but he did, and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to know what we now know. Speaking to
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: our friends at AC three sixty take a little doctor Blue.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about a text that Gabby's
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: mother received from her daughter's phone on August thirtieth, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: if you look at your timeline, her death would have
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: occurred between August twenty second and twenty ninth. So if
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: this text on August thirtieth that said there was no
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: service in Yosemite came from Gabby's phone, can you say
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: definitively that Gabby Petito could not have sent that text
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: on August thirtieth? No, I can't. When we talk about
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: timeline of death this far out from the death, that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: timeline could be plus or minus a week at a minimum,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and that is because of different weather conditions and different locations.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So it's really very very rough. It's not like TV
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: where they say, oh, they died on this date. It's
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a very rough estimate. And I know that law enforcement
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: is using other methods to try to determine almost a
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: more exact date from an autopsy point of view. It's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a very rough estimate. Guys, we've got it right there.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: We kind of figured it out on our own. Listen, guys,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll jump in and correct me if I'm wrong,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and go ahead of the three of you. I'm sure
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you'll start waving at me. You hear the corner say
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: her death occurred between August twenty two and August twenty nine,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: but we know she was spotted alive on August twenty
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: seven at the Mary Piglet. So now we've got her
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: narrow at the time of death, narrowed between the twenty
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: seven that night and the twenty nine, because the carner
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: is saying the twenty nine. I get that right, Joe
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Yes, they got into this. You know, she
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: went back into apologize it to the staff at the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Mary Piglet. You know, he went in, raising his voice
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and raising kane at the poor white staff. They get
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: in the car or that van and they drive it's
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: like thirty one miles from that point to where that
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: van was sighted. Can you imagine what was going on
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: in the van at that point in time, Like with Karen,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you know, there was probably a fight going on into
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the well. Can I tell you no man part? You know? Sorry,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, no man. Light speed asked, why did you
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: act like that in the restaurant? You big horses? Rear him.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear that. And I'm sure it was
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: like pouring gas on the fire. Yeah, I think that
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it probably was, and they you know, they apparently have
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: been at each other's throats over this period of time.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: There's been there's been problems. You know, any man that
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: would strike a ninety five pound woman in the middle
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of the street in broad daylight where we have a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: history of that street, where everybody can see it, so
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: we already know he's comfortable with putting his hands on
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: this poor woman. And I don't mean in a gentle way.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So you can only imagine your analogy with gas on fire.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, they're driving up the road, they get up
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: there to that campsite, and Lord only knows what happened then. So, Cheryl,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: we've got it now between the night, was it the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: night or was it lunchtime? We've got the twenty seven,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Mary Piglett, what lunchtime? Okay, and then we've got the corner,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: giving us the twenty ninth. That's a pretty narrow timeline,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: as far as I'm can start, a very narrow timeline.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You don't even have seventy two hours. And if we
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: place him with her during those seventy two hours, then
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: what a little green man from Mars appeared and he
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: killed Gabby? I mean, right, can't you see the timeline
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: now becoming very very small by deduction. Not just that,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you've also got his actions if someone else harmed her,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: why did he not a try to save her and
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: defend her, be go immediately to the police. See start
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: screaming for help. All these people that pass by that van,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: he just shuts the door. He didn't try to flag
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: anybody down, no help at all. So nobody's gonna buy
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: there was a third party at all. And then you
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: have his actions of the bogus text messages, the using
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: her debit card. Where was the fake text about no
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: cell service in Yosemite? Was at the twenty ninth? That
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: was the thirtieth? Okay, Hey, I hear Dale jump in deal.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: You know we're gonna know precisely when he left. Okay,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: because he bought fuel, we are and he was using
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: her card to pay for it, so that we know
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: he left on the thirtieth, as Cheryl was saying. And
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: so you do have that very narrow time frame, which
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: makes him the prime suspect, not just a person of
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the interest in this. Dale Carson joining the high profile
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: while you're out of Florida, say that one more time
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: is slow it down place sure, in a circumstance where
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: he's used someone else's credit card in order to travel,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: we're going to know precisely when and how he left,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: how he traveled. In addition to which, when we know
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the narrow time frame is so within two days essentially,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: then of course he becomes not just a person of interest,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: he becomes a prime suspect. Nancy. One more thing to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Dale's point, I think this is essential. When corners and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: medical examiner investigators are standing around the table with the cops,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: information is exchanged. Remember what he said, domestic violence. What
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Dale is saying also is key. The coroner has an
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: awareness that there is an electronic tracking that's going on
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: with him. I think this is key, particularly with a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: gassing up issue with using her debit card. They've all
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: been sharing information and talking. He has information going forward. Now,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: whether it was just merely a slip of the lip,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I have no idea, but he's informed, he's up to speed,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and yeah, he's not law enforcement, but he's on the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: inside of this investigation. Ncy and Nancy hold on going
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: neck here and starts. I want to reiterate that it's
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: really significant. We've watched this get worse we've watched his escalate.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: We could see, I mean, we have all this evidence
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that they got stopped. That there's the encounter of when
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: they go in there and he's screaming and she goes
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: back and apologize. They are getting they are fighting with
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: each other. It's really really important to see that that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: keeps escalating over time. It's all time, there's something to happen.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I got to ask you a question of aile've got you,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Karen start. There are reports now that high school high
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: schoolers that went to school with Brian Laundry state that
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: he was an over their words, not mine, and overweight
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: social outcast in school. Does that turn you into a bully?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: But I hear that he's an outcast, so of course
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it shows that he has a lot of resentment and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: often revenge against the people who didn't include him. But
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: we also know from their relationship and what the friends
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: had to say, that he was extremely jealomancy. You know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: here's this girl, this beautiful girl that's with him. These
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: jealousy's controlling. I mean, everything points to somebody who is
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: not your loving I guess also whether he was hard
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: for me to yeah, and and that put my mind
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: in my thoughts, in his mind that maybe he felt
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like he didn't see the end, or he was an
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: outcast or always looking at everybody else having fun or
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: having a girlfriend, and he gets Gabby and that jealousy
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. I want to following hold on, I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: think I hear Moss society, Yeah, and Moss are you there? Yeah.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I was just a quick point to what you guys
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: just said. I did ask neighbors about the relationship, and
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: one woman told me that Gabby always was really excited
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: to see her kids and went talk with them, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: she said that Brian was always in the background and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: very quiet. And then the only other point that I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: wanted to make is doctor Blues comments regarding domestic violence.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: If you go back, and I encourage everyone to do this,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: go back and listen and watch. When he made that statement,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: he made it very slowly. He kept looking up to
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: think the entire time. It wasn't a statement he'd blurted out.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Because when I was logging it, I noticed how he
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: was like struggling looking for the words, to find the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: words that even though now he's walking it back. Looked
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: at how he said that statement me just by the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: power of deduction have now reduced the time of death
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: to about forty eight hours. If Brian lad can be
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: proved it's proven that he is with her at that time,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be very difficult, very difficult, if not impossible,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: for him to escape the murder charge. We wait as
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: justice and folds Nancy very supposed to her signing