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#1 - The Beginning · The Chris and Mike Show

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Hey, this is the inaugural. We're live.
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Not really, but here I'm Chris Dunham.
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Who are you? I'm Mike Michaels.
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He's Mike Michaels and this is the Chris and Mike Show till
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they come up with something better.
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And we may never come up with anything better.
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Well, you never know. So what do you have?
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What are your thoughts? Because we were going to do
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Cosmic Cafe and that's, that's everybody and their mother has
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Cosmic Cafe, you know? Yeah, When I went and looked it
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up, there was something that's that, that's.
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There was a ton of them, yeah. I mean, the concept of it's cool
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because cosmic means you have nothing that you're really bound
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to as far as topics concerned, which is what we like.
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We want to be able to talk about whatever the hell we want to
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talk about every time we get together to do this thing.
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So the the more generalized our name is, I think the more
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freedom we'll have as podcasters.
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I agree. So you know we.
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Because down the road I would we'd like to have guests.
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Oh, absolutely. I already have people in mind.
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We could have guests from when I did my radio show.
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I still have been in contact with a lot of those people over
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the years. Plus you know you and I have
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mutual friends on the on the World Wide Web that we could
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have chime in you know and. And we do a guest.
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But I don't think the, I don't think the name is going to, I
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don't think the name is going to limit us to what kind of podcast
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we can do or who we can have on it.
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I think it's just the sheer volume of people that are
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watching it and those guests wanting to be on here for that
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reason, right? But again, if we call ourselves,
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you know the USD prime farm news, we're limited to farming
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cock. We're not farmers.
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I mean, granted you live in middle America with lots of farm
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land surrounding you and I live on the West Coast as you know,
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which is, you know, dry barren desert for the most part.
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So we, you know, we got to kind of have something like, you
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know, they call ourselves Alter Bridge.
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But there's a band that's called Alter Bridge which is, you know,
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an epic band with a fantastic vocalist.
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I've seen him twice live, met them both times.
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What a bunch of nice guys. Mark, you know Mark Tremonti,
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not only does he. Yeah, not only does he play
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guitar in Alter Bridge, but also he's one of the Co founders of
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that band Creed. He also does an entire Sinatra
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album because he has a Down syndrome daughter.
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So he just released this album of nothing but Sinatra covers.
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Motherfucker sounds just like Frank, man.
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It's insane. So you take that, You take the
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fact that he's this amazing guitar player, right?
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Like I took Nikki to their their concert, which was the last Hero
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show, which ended up being what they filmed live in in Wembley
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with the paradox. Got that wrong.
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The Paris Something Orchestra. Like a 2 1/2 hour show and like
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this is fucking amazing. Not realizing that it was one of
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the first shows building up to that epic recording and live DVD
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monstrous thing overseas. She was blown away at him live.
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Granted, we were this close to him, but just meeting them like
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genuinely cooled down The earth. Human beings.
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There was no arrogance or narcissism about them, they were
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just really cool. So anyway, what I'm going with
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here. He also wrote a book, a
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psychological thriller based on one of the albums he did from
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his solo. Shit, dudes like like just
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fucking well-rounded, creative, solid human being.
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Which, you know is awesome because the Sinatra album, all
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the proceeds go to Down syndrome research and study and help with
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that. Like he's not keeping any of it.
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It's pretty legit. I haven't listened to that one
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yet, but I thought that was really cool.
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He did that and I didn't know that's why he did it.
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So that makes it even cool. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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No, he's. I mean, I don't.
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I don't know him, like I know you, but you know the short time
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that that the last hero tour, you actually could still meet,
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greet people, shake their hands, talk to them.
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I have pictures like with them next to me, right.
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This last time they came to town, it was like, oh, they're
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on the stage, you can ask 5 questions.
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That was that was that was cool. But the sound check was fun,
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because it's always cool to see sound checks.
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But it wasn't the same intimate experience we got previously.
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And this time I took my buddy Jay Erickson.
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I started with my buddy Scott, who's no longer buddy because he
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just turned into a total fucking asshole that day.
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So I took his ass home, fucking last thing and suddenly use your
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turn. So I'm like, fuck you, dude, I
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haven't talked to him since. Dude's a fucking prick.
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Like Like, he run. The moment he run the soundcheck
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for me. I was so pissed.
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So then I drop his ass off and I post something to my buddy Jay,
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who was a lender. He's like, holy shit, you like
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Alter Bridge? I'm like, yeah, dude, come on.
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I had a whole good news Arizona episode where every time I had a
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chance, I had a little boom and I played 13 seconds of their
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song. So Jay came.
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We were front row. He's like fucking 6/4.
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So there was this, like nobody was fucking with us.
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We were standing right here the whole time looking at miles.
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Just phenomenal. This show was so great that the
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crowd, probably 80% of the night, was singing the songs for
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him. It's, I mean, they played on the
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marquee, OK, you know the marquee is in Phoenix, right,
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Tempe? That's awesome.
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It's small. It's like 2400 people, man.
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These guys sold out Wembley three nights in a row and
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they're fucking. They're somebody's walking to my
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door right now. They didn't knock though, so I'm
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going to be ambushed and killed on this podcast.
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Oh, they just left. OK, no problem.
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Who's the mailman? It's the mailman.
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The United States Postal worker was here today.
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I don't know what I got, 'cause I'm on, I'm on this.
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It'd be weird to go to the door and get my package and come
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back, right? Open it live on a podcast, look
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what I got. And then it'd be really bad if
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it's some kind of, you know, marriage dope thing I got.
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You know, I think he wouldn't talk to me for like a month.
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Like, what the fuck? So, so let's go back to what
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we're actually here for, Mike. And that was figuring out what
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to call ourselves as, as opposed to, you know, the United States
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Farm Bureau, which wouldn't work.
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We can't call ourselves after a band.
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No, I don't know anything about farming.
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We can call it. I don't.
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I don't. I know a little bit, but not a
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lot. You know, I do live on an acre.
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And we, we did plant corn that subsequently died this past
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summer. We planted tomatoes, which were
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just fucking ate shit. So many tomatoes.
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It was insane Potatoes. We grow potatoes like like
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legitimate, like you know, we you you get the eye of the
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potato. Like when the potato you know
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starts the eye, that's when you plant it.
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And then all you do for potatoes, which is a trip man.
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You could do this in your backyard.
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You just add dirt, you water and add dirt.
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You just keep adding dirt because the the higher the dirt
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pile is then the the more they grow.
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So that was fucking bad ass having a potato out of the
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garden that smelled like dirt and tasted fantastic.
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Same with the tomatoes. We had Peppers but they didn't
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really work very well. We got 4 chickens now because
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Nikki went and got 2 chickens this past weekend, so now we
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have 4 again, you know, waiting to see how many she kills.
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Don't. Tell us, are they laying eggs
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for? She doesn't kill them on
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purpose. They just have.
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They are. Two of them are.
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Two of them are, Yeah. The the ones that we lost, one
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just kind of like fell over and died.
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We don't know how we went in there.
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And I'm sorry she went in there because I don't mess with them.
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It was just dead. It was dead.
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And the other one, they had a egg stuck, which you didn't
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realize it had an egg stuck. And then when it passed over the
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Rainbow Bridge to the chicken heaven, there's a black egg
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sitting, you know, where it comes out of like, oh, that's
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why. That's.
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Why So the egg get the egg getting stuck?
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I mean, the egg getting stuck killed the chicken.
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It's a whole. It's a whole new definition of
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Constipation, like straight up. Dude that's fucking crazy.
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Like I've never had that problem right.
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I never have eggs stuck in me and I I you know my my bowels
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fluid, right all the time because I eat stupid, healthy
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and boring. But chickens eat all kinds of
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shit if you think about it and yeah it it it backed up and just
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you know that was it fell over in the water and it kept trying
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to get up with this head. It wasn't it wasn't working.
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The body wouldn't following. We didn't know what to fucking
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do. We're not, you know, we're not
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chicken experts. You know, my neighbor's like,
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dude, call that like fucking call the vet for chicken.
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Seriously. No, no, it's you lay the egg or
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you cut the head off and you eat it.
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Call the vet, man. So yeah, now she's got some more
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and. I'm going to have to ask my
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friend when I see him tomorrow If they've ever had any chickens
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die of getting the egg stuck. I got to know blockage,
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blockage, blockage. I forget what it's called, but
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you know, blockage, something like that.
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We could call it the show Blockage, you know, You know,
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blockage with Chris and Mike and people like, what the fuck is
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this about? So I suppose we probably should
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tell America why. We probably should tell America
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why they should listen to us. Why should they listen to us?
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Because we're because we're 2 white guys.
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I don't know why would why would because OK, why do you listen to
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what you listen to That's that's that's the way to start.
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That is, what do you what's the the determination of what you
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listen to podcast wise? Either for learning purposes or
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those people are like minded individuals.
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OK, so it doesn't matter as far as name recognition.
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No, not necessarily even what they do.
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Or is it worse? I don't care.
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So it's yeah, so it's OK. So it's more of just like the
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relevance of what they're talking about, whether the
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topics may be and you know that kind of concept.
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Yeah, and since we're not doing a tutorial podcast, ours is
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going to be people that are probably going to be like,
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minded. So I guess what I'm saying is.
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We were both musicians at one time.
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We played in bands. We subsequently became addicts.
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We overcame addiction, right, And found life on the other side
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and became musicians again and are here to live, to tell our
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story, so to speak, Life on the other side.
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So I like that. Church.
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Google it and there's probably 50 of them.
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Life on the Other Side. Can I Google while I'm on
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podcast? Let's see what happens here.
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Life on the Other Side podcast. Let's see what it does.
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OK, it's Life on the other side. Christian John Bradley.
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Oh yeah, It's a Christianity podcast, so that wouldn't work.
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I kind of figured maybe there would be a little bit of a
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Christian element to that because, you know, it's life on
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the other side, you know? But I think that's the right
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kind of direction. You know, we had something we
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were talking about before we decided to hit record.
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What was that? I knew you were going to ask me
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that, right? It was something about music and
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mayhem. Oh, hold on.
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I put it. I put it in my notes, OK.
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This is oh, good for you, Mike. See this is.
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Super, super not professional right now, ladies and gentlemen.
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I apologize that could that could be a name.
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The Super, not professional show.
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I am the guitar player it'll be. It'll become painfully obvious
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why I started this podcast and the guy who's typing on the
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computer right now, he's definitely a more fluid speaker
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than I am, so I shall do the best I can.
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There is no one that owns the name of the Super Not
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Professional podcast. I don't know why I put the word
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store in them. the Super not professional.
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OK, so I have I there's a Facebook group called We are Not
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Professionals Podcast but nothing nothing is deemed the
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Super not professional podcast as of yet so I think that should
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be a working time. Super, not professional.
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OK, hold on. Here's Here's what I had and I
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was wrong before we started the podcast.
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That's why I put things in my notes, because I'm not going to
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make a. Mystery about it.
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I might like to partake in the finer things in life, and
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occasionally I forget things, so I put them in my notes.
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So it was music, myth and mayhem.
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Notes, notes, music, myth and mayhem.
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The three Ms. oh look. Oh, you did the notes in your
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phone, right? On the Apple, Yeah.
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Look, look at me, man. It is music, myth and mayhem.
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Music, myth and mayhem. Yeah, so, like, you're going to
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learn a lot about music. You're going to hear some
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bullshit stories. Because sometimes we fabricate
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the truth because it's fun and there's mayhem because we don't.
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But there's always. Set rules, right?
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But there's always an element of truth in the storytelling.
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Oh, 100%. Always something that is
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accurate. Like my well, we're like the
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book. You know what?
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I want the book right. Yeah, I never got a copy.
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There's an element of truth in the book, yeah.
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I never got a copy of that, by the way.
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There's an element of truth. I'll get you one.
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You could go on Amazon and buy it, but I'll send you it so.
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But there's not more truth. Because when I used to work,
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when I used to work with Chuck, one of the conversations we had
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one year was that when he dies he doesn't want to be buried in
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a cemetery, which you know, I think it's an Arizona boarded
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bred cowboy. When you think cowboy, you think
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Chuck inside. So that being said, we had this
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little conversation that once he dies, if I'm aware of it, I'm
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going to go steal his body and make sure he's buried on an open
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range. That's basically the premise of
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the book. So it's based on a true story
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because it was based on a conversation that took place
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while doing cowboy shit, but the whole story itself is
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fabricated. And I I was by no means trying
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to imply that we would lie to somebody on purpose.
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We just sometimes can't remember exactly what happened in exactly
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what. Right.
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Well, yeah. Well, yeah, right.
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It's like, I got a buddy that I've known since high school and
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and when he starts slinging tales about high school, I just
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kind of sit that quietly and listen because I'm like, OK, I
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don't remember doing that, but OK, I'll agree to it, you know?
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See it? And I think I was looking at it
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more from I was looking at it more from the opposite.
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Hopefully you remembered more than I did, because I don't
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remember a lot of any of that. I was only sober for one gig and
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I remember because I had the flu.
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Oh like Ozzy, I just came back from the doctor.
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The doctor said I had the fleet and I said fuck you, I'm
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playing. Anyway, that was in his no more,
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no more, No More tours tour the original 1 way back in the day.
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Like 93. I think that shit was that I was
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around about the time that you and I connected and and began
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our our adventures and music. Well, I remember that gig like
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it was yesterday because we're playing at the Big Fish Pub and
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I was so sick I had to go behind my Marshall a couple times and,
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you know, use a bucket back there.
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So that would have been the only gig that I ever played sober.
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I think we opened up for Sevendust that night if I
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remember right. I did not remember that we
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opened up for so many fucking like legit bands that weren't
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legit at the time on a on a grand scale, right?
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Because of the grunge took over and and and the music industry
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was just so one sided with grunge that nothing else was was
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relevant. At the time, you know.
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Yeah, a lot of those bands that we opened up for were playing
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arenas two years before that, and then they ended up
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headlining the Mason jar with us.
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Yeah, exactly. I love playing the Mason jar,
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man, That that place, it's now a gay bar.
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But back then, that place just had so much fucking history,
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man. Like the remember the little
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pictures on the walls, the little frames of the bands.
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Oh yeah, so many bands went through that place when they
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were nothing, when they were no one, you know, and.
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I I actually still have A and I guarantee you at some point in
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time. I actually still have a signed
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letter from Franco saying that we could use his name and the
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name of the Mason jar on any of our band correspondence.
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Any, any way that he could help us.
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He actually signed a letter and gave it to us.
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Yeah, it was awesome. They were good people, man.
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I love, I love playing there. I love swinging from the light
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Truss and giving away pictures of beer.
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And you know just when when Maverick would come and say one
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more song and we'd bust out Intervention Divine, which was
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like 11 minutes, it's like, OK dude, one more song.
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Yeah. Well, we got in trouble for
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that, Yeah. I remember the length.
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I need a 3 minute song. Yeah, well, Jason came up to me
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after we did that the first time, and he's like, don't ever
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do that again. Jason loved this, though.
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We did that band that could play with anybody.
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Like there was nobody, there was nobody we could play with.
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I mean, the fact that Nemesis open for sacred, right?
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I mean, fucking kidding me. We weren't even this same
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fucking planet was sacred, right?
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No, but we no. But we played with him a lot of
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times because he he did. He loved us.
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Yeah, yeah. You know he passed away a couple
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years ago, right? Enough's Enough was another band
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we played with. Did you know Jason passed away?
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Oh, I did not know that. That sucks.
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Yeah, 20 or not? Yeah, twenty or two.
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I believe he passed away in 2020.
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That sucks. That really sucks.
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He's a good guy. Speaking of COVID, the Skylar
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just tested positive for COVID. I said Congratulations.
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And for those of you who don't know, Skylar's my eldest child.
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She's my daughter of what is she, 2727?
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Yeah. So it's yeah, she texted me a
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picture because the little man had his tonsils up.
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He's my grandson. And she just texted me a picture
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that that of the results. So that's that.
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Congratulations. I don't know what you want from
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me because you know, it's, you know, welcome.
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It's not COVID, man. It's the flu, right?
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All that bullshit. It's it's it's you know.
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There's little man. I don't know if you can see
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that, but there's he busted out. He found this guitar, this play
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guitar. Shit you.
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Not Mike. I showed him how to put it over
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his head and he put his hands and where they were supposed to
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be and started jamming. He's even got the rock star
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stance, man. I know, I know, I know I got.
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And when we get proficient with this shit, we can pull up
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pictures and stuff and boom, there's a picture you know of,
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you know, whoever we talk about. Oh, you know, so yeah.
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Yeah, just for the record, this is the AS.
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As he stated earlier, this is the inaugural podcast, so things
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will definitely get smoother and easier.
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Number one, remember that Sesame Street count Dude #1?
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We were just discussing him at work the other day.
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That dude was amazing. Really.
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What was his name count? What?
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He was just a count. It was just a count.
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Yeah, 'cause that was his sole purpose on Sesame Street was to
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teach us to count counting 123 Little man's not into Sesame
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Street. I don't know why.
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None of the with it because I had enough of Sesame Street
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with. None of these kids today are
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into Sesame Street anymore. They got their own shit.
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They watch. Yeah, my little man watches
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Peppa Pig Bluey. He loves The Nightmare Before
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Christmas. Yesterday I actually took him
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because I had him Monday, Tuesday, because of tonsillitis.
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I took him to see the Paw Patrol movie.
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Let me tell you the racket that they have with children's
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movies. Now, Mike, this thing started at
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12:15. This thing started at 12:15.
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Little Man and I are the only two people that walked into the
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Harkins Theater. OK, that's it.
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Loved him to death because I asked him if he wanted snacks.
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He said no, he just wanted to go to the theater.
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Well, I convinced him we had to get a little small bag of
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popcorn. He picked up gummy bears and I I
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got some water because I don't drink the shit.
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So we go to the movie theater. There's nobody.
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It's just us. So I always like to sit in the
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very front row before the lower level, right, so you can use the
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the rails as foot rest. You know what I'm talking about.
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Yes, we're there for like 2 minutes.
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He's like calls me. He's like he calls me pop pop.
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He's like pop pop. I don't go up.
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So we left seats, went all the way to the top.
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I let him wait. Where do you want to go?
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All the way up, all the way to the top, dead center to top row.
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The preview start at 12:15. The fucking previews go and
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12/12/35 with a 4 minute cap. Or of Dora the Explorer doing
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some kind of nonsense bullshit that did nothing but piss us off
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because little man has a patience of a four year old.
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Why that's just going to be 4. And he kept looking at me saying
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paw patrol. I'm like, I know dude, I don't
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know what's going on. So finally the movie starts,
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right? So then up in the front row, up
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in the top row, and then right when the movie starts, this
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other mother and her child come in, they sit like 5 rows down in
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front of us. So there's four of us total in
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theater. Well, little man's going back
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and forth along the row, and I keep telling him as he gets
23:25
closer to the steps, to stay up in the row because I don't need
23:28
him tumbling down. And, you know, so he does a
23:30
pretty good job staying up. It's, you know, the whole movie
23:33
itself went from 12:40 to 1:30. Maybe, like, it wasn't long, so
23:40
you needed all the previews and shit.
23:44
But it was, to me, it was excessive.
23:46
So then we're done. He had fun.
23:48
He liked it. You know, he was standing up a
23:50
lot of time, you know, cheering and clapping and shitting.
23:56
This credits start to roll, so we go down the stairs to the
23:59
bottom and and what I didn't know about him because I've
24:02
never took him to a movie before, is he likes to stay on
24:05
the bottom part and dance while the music's rolling in the
24:09
credits. Most people have seen 3 1/2 year
24:13
olds dance, so it's not as bad as Elaine on Seinfeld dancing.
24:17
But he has this weird little circle kind of hop around step
24:21
he does and he puts himself on the ground and kind of flips his
24:23
legs up like he's doing some break dancing.
24:26
Spin, Right. So then I'm thinking that that
24:30
once he's done with dancing, we're cool.
24:32
So I'm like, let's go. Well then he's like, I don't
24:34
want to go. I'm like, dude, he's like paw
24:35
patrol. I'm like, dude, paw patrol's
24:37
over. This is just the credits, man.
24:40
So he throws a little tantrum to where when he throws A tantrum
24:43
it's kind of like downward dog and yoga and puts his face in
24:46
his in his hands and and lays in the crown and I'm so I'm just,
24:50
you know, with age you have patience.
24:53
So I'm like, really, really, dude.
24:55
Like, so I I go and sit on the last, the first step going up to
25:00
the top. So he sees me over there and
25:01
comes and sits next to me and we're just watching credits
25:04
scroll. I mind you, he can't read all he
25:06
recognizes as the letter A and the letter O because it's in his
25:09
name. Anthony every now and then.
25:12
Oh, there's an A Papa. Yeah, there's an A.
25:15
So finally all the credits leave and get done and we leave and
25:19
you know, that was our paw patrol adventure.
25:23
You know, it was interesting. He had fun.
25:26
It was nice that it was only us in the movie theater.
25:28
You know, he didn't really grasp the concept of that aside from
25:32
wanting to be on the very top row so he could see the whole
25:35
screen, you know, the whole giant movie screen to a might as
25:40
well call him four before in December.
25:43
Well, but that was fun. So he enjoyed that that
25:46
Apologize for yawning. I just yawned.
25:48
I don't know if I'm boring myself, but I'm just sore
25:50
because I worked out it's hell. Weak head.
25:53
Orange Tree Fitness. It was brutal.
25:55
Workouts last two days and since I can finally run again, I'm
25:59
only jogging. It was, you know, it's it's you
26:04
don't realize how out of shape your legs are.
26:06
You haven't really used them aside from walking since
26:12
February 26th. To trust me, I'm.
26:17
I'm aware like, well, that's just, but that's because you
26:19
don't you don't work out like I do.
26:22
No, You know, that's that's the one thing once we dive into, you
26:27
know, alcoholism and addiction and shit, that's the one thing
26:31
that I've I've learned. Running helps me clear my head.
26:35
It helps me purge the shit, you know, like I had a couple weeks
26:41
ago, I went and met with his family, who I've known for
26:43
years, like I dressed up as Santa Claus for the kids to take
26:46
pictures with and shit, right. And they get ready to move to
26:49
the East Coast. So I went and talked to them,
26:52
had an appointment to discuss listing their house, all that
26:54
kind of jazz. Everything went solid, had no
26:59
negative feelings that I wanted to laugh, You know, the follow
27:01
up questions were great. My follow up was fantastic.
27:05
I sent them cards with little treats.
27:06
It's, you know, it's what I do. So the wife pushes out and has
27:10
the husband call me and tell me. They chose to go with this
27:12
realtor who sold two houses in the last 12 months and is
27:15
basically 90 years old and does nothing but stick a sign in the
27:19
yard. I'm like, you're fucking kidding
27:20
me. Like, what's up with that shit?
27:24
Well, normally I'd go run it out, but I'm not allowed to run,
27:27
run yet, so I, you know, I didn't.
27:30
But that kind of shit, just mind boggling because I'm so
27:34
competitive. I'm so driven with what I know
27:36
and how I do it. It's just it it pisses me off
27:38
that just because they've known her, they've used her for like 4
27:43
transactions. Mind you in their lifetime only
27:45
one or maybe and they kick their kids to her, but that's it.
27:50
And that, you know, she literally she's a discount
27:53
broker so she doesn't offer 3% like I do all the fire stations,
27:57
she doesn't do video, she doesn't do commercial stuff.
27:59
She just throws a sign in the yard, sticks the fire in the
28:01
house and sticks on me. Molest.
28:03
Whoo, whole nother topic. See how I go all over the place.
28:08
Mike, you need to. Talk more.
28:10
You need to inject yourself more into there.
28:13
You're. I can tell you you're the second
28:15
person that I've heard say that running is their outlet to
28:20
alcoholism. Really.
28:25
Yeah, I got a buddy that lives. He work with.
28:27
No, he lives in the state of Washington.
28:30
When I worked at Guitar Center in Phoenix, he was my manager
28:34
and he gave up drinking and he took up running as well.
28:40
I always see his pictures on Facebook of all his trail cams
28:43
and all the mountainous runs he takes and oh, right on.
28:48
Yeah, I I'm, I'm waiting to get back to the whole trails and
28:53
running in the mountains and ship because that's a lot less
28:58
hard on your feet because that's the other thing people don't
29:01
realize, like, like I don't consider myself a professional
29:04
runner, right? But I've had people referred to
29:07
me as an athlete at Orange Theory because of, you know, my
29:11
insanity when it comes to health, right?
29:13
Because but that's the addictive personality.
29:15
You find something to replace your addiction and then it's
29:19
tunnel vision. And a lot of people, I don't
29:21
think, realize that. And and I go in there with the
29:25
game face on like I'm here to. I'm here to fucking work.
29:28
I'm not here to socialize and fuck around, get old giddy, give
29:31
you fucking high fives. Woo, fuck that.
29:33
I'm there for an hour to kick my own ass because that's what I
29:37
need, you know, to correct the demons at Bay.
29:42
Anybody know? I know my demons and I know my
29:45
weaknesses. Anybody who's been an addict,
29:48
had an addiction of any kind understands that that energy has
29:52
to go somewhere else once you give up that addiction, right?
29:58
Because if you don't, what happens?
29:59
You go right back down the rabbit hole.
30:01
Exactly that, that that energy and that wanting to fill that
30:05
void or that time or that space in your life doesn't just go
30:09
away. You have to replace it with
30:11
something, and that something has to be positive.
30:14
Agreed Absolutely. And people don't realize if if
30:20
they haven't been in our shoes, they don't understand how
30:26
quickly that can turn. Like I had a family member that
30:29
was straight up addicted, had addiction issues for about 7
30:33
years. And every time that that person
30:35
would get to the point of OK detox and then and then sober
30:39
living. And then once you're out of the
30:44
30 day sober living kind of transition thing and you're
30:47
going to the halfway house or whatever transition that's
30:49
there, that that's the major glitch in the addiction world.
30:57
There's no, I mean, think about it, when you're getting clean,
31:01
you're in a lockdown facility, right?
31:02
Like you can't believe you're you're just in prison, basically
31:06
for whatever amount of time, where it's three days, five
31:09
days, seven days, right? Well, my train was from that
31:13
into a 30 day. Mine was self-imposed, but I
31:18
understand what you're saying. Yeah.
31:22
OK, so then you go from that intense lockdown detox to the 30
31:30
day program, right. At a minimum.
31:33
I mean some people it's Max whatever, but you have all the
31:37
support in those thirty days. You have 24 hour care.
31:40
You have any given time, you wake up 2:00 morning.
31:43
Oh, I feel like you know, getting high.
31:46
You have somebody down the hall, you go talk to everybody's there
31:49
for the same thing, the same mindset.
31:51
They all want to get healthy. They all want to recover.
31:53
They all want to make amends. They all want to go through the
31:55
steps, right? The vicious cycle of the steps,
31:59
because it is vicious if you go through it once and this person
32:03
went through it seven times. So you know, we won't go into
32:09
the steps of what I feel about the bills in the book.
32:12
But then you leave that, you leave that that support
32:17
mechanism that you're in your house and that you're you're
32:20
completely in the safe place and it released to the world.
32:26
Now this person couldn't come back and live with family
32:28
because they had tarnished that by by doing heavy drugs within
32:34
that household. So there wasn't an option to
32:37
return. So they had to brave the
32:41
bullshit halfway houses in the silver living facilities, things
32:44
like that. That's where the glitch happens,
32:46
man. That's where the chaos
32:49
reinstitutes itself. Because when you walk into one
32:53
of those group homes, which could be a four bedroom house
32:57
with two bathrooms, and you're housing 16 adults that have
33:03
issues with addiction, they're there for a reason.
33:06
It's all about the Benjamins for the people who own it, because
33:10
they don't provide shit. You got to buy your own food,
33:12
You got to buy your own stuff. I mean, there's nothing that
33:15
they provide you except a roof over your head, but you're
33:17
sharing it with 15 other people. So as quickly as that addict can
33:22
remove themselves from that environment, because that's a
33:24
high fucking stress, high drama, Fuck you, you're in my space.
33:30
You know, Everybody handles recovery different.
33:33
That's where the glitch is, and that's where every single
33:36
failure happened with this family member.
33:39
Once they got to that point and had to open that door of
33:44
recovery, that's where they would tumble and fall every time
33:48
without exception, except the very last time.
33:52
You and I, you and I have talked many times about the number one
33:57
factor is you have to want to succeed in recovery yourself
34:03
before anyone else can help you. Obviously I went through mine by
34:08
myself, I went through mine by myself, so mine was
34:12
self-imposed. But I tried three times before I
34:16
was successful because the first two times that I tried.
34:19
I didn't really want to quit. I was quitting because people
34:22
told me I was an addict. Mostly it was that.
34:25
Mostly it was people that kept telling me, hey, you got a
34:28
problem. And I knew I had a problem.
34:30
I didn't need somebody to tell me I had a problem, and that
34:33
made me feel worse about it. So that made me want to get high
34:36
even more. It wasn't until I knew that my
34:39
health was at risk that I literally had hit rock bottom.
34:45
I had one. So-called friend left in the
34:48
world that knew what was going on with me and that was Kevin.
34:54
I will give him credit that he let me live with him when I was
34:57
going through my worst man. He never gave up on me so if it
35:00
had not been for him I wouldn't have made it.
35:02
I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you.
35:05
So I would say this, the biggest thing that people need to
35:08
understand is if it's their family member and someone that
35:11
they care about. There's really nothing you can
35:14
do other than to be positive and support them with positivity and
35:18
not negativity, not negativity. Not telling them they're an
35:23
addict constantly because they know they're an addict.
35:25
They don't need any help with that, right?
35:28
And and the other little thing too, telling them that they're
35:31
an addict and telling them that they need help.
35:34
Typically people don't listen because like you just said,
35:38
you're going to get help when you realize you need help.
35:42
And there's got to be something in your life that makes that all
35:48
of a sudden, holy shit, this is, this is what I'm living like
35:51
this. Something has to change.
35:53
You have to have, I want to say epiphany, but you got to have
35:56
that moment that just kind of like, you know, this one time I
36:00
was, I was at this place in in, in where was it?
36:04
I think Tempe called the Electric Ballroom, Right?
36:07
Yes, watching this band. And I was.
36:09
I was young and I had powerful voice and I could sing along
36:12
with people like Kevin Martin of Candlebox.
36:15
So I'm singing along with Kevin and this fucking long haired
36:19
dude, right? This long haired dude keeps
36:22
turning his head looking at me like shut the fuck up, shut the
36:24
fuck up. Every time I'm holding out his
36:27
notes and you know, all of it just fucking rocking hard.
36:30
And then half the stage goes out with a blown fuse.
36:33
This motherfucker has the balls to turn around and give me a
36:36
business card and say, hey, are you a singer?
36:39
I'm in a band, man. See, And that was that moment.
36:45
That was one of those moments in life that like, yes, I'm
36:47
supposed to be. Here I'm supposed to be.
36:50
This is where I'm supposed to be.
36:51
This day and time. It's going to change the
36:54
trajectory of my lifetime, whether it's good or bad.
36:58
It was one of those moments that you had to be.
37:00
If I didn't go to that show, that never would have happened.
37:03
And that path of falling in love with music for real never would
37:08
have happened. So it's the same concept with
37:10
whether you're alcoholic or a drug addict, you got to have
37:13
that moment that just fucking resonates in your soul and says
37:16
yes. So this is where the change
37:19
needs to happen. Do you know how you know how
37:23
crazy that is to hear that story back for me?
37:28
Because I went from being like I'm not even the same person
37:32
anymore. Man, that guy used to go to
37:34
concerts by himself. I wasn't there with anybody.
37:38
I was just like, I love Candlebox and I can't stop
37:41
listening to that first album. So somebody told me that they
37:45
were going to be at this new place called the Electric
37:47
Ballroom. That place had just opened up
37:49
not that long before they played there.
37:52
And I was like, fuck it, man, It's right down the road.
37:54
So I bought a ticket and I went to the I used to go to all kinds
37:57
of concerts by myself. I went and saw Steve Miller.
38:00
I saw REO Speedwagon. I just saw all the people that I
38:05
wanted to see and I didn't know. A lot of, you know, I had just
38:12
met you, so I didn't know a lot of people at the time.
38:14
I didn't really have a choice. If I wanted to go do something,
38:16
I went and did it by myself, right?
38:19
Right now, there's like 3 movies I've wanted to see in the last
38:23
two months and I won't go do anything by myself.
38:26
That's funny, right? And then and for those that are
38:30
listening to this, that story was how Mike and I met.
38:33
That was the original meeting of he and I.
38:36
Yes. Apparently I even had business
38:38
cards 93 ish somewhere around there.
38:41
You did. You did.
38:43
That's when the band was called Desperate Angel.
38:46
And then later on I saw and it was a Pearl Jams video.
38:50
Jeremy. No, it wasn't Jeremy.
38:53
It was the lyric. It turned to my nemesis.
38:54
Pull that fucking gun. That's then I was like, oh,
38:58
Nemesis. Nemesis.
38:59
And then you ran with that idea, and there we were.
39:03
Yes, because Nemesis is my mind you.
39:06
Nemesis is the goddess of vengeance in Greek mythology
39:09
right now. Some like fucking rapper took it
39:12
or something. No, it's some fucking pop band
39:16
from Belgium. They're terrible.
39:22
Fucking terrible. Weird, Yeah.
39:26
Yeah. Well, if it's if they're not us,
39:28
they have to each other. So yeah.
39:32
So does this have a oh, there it is, I was going to say.
39:33
When I met you, we had just fired Mike.
39:38
Because we. Played at the Electric Ballroom
39:41
about a month before chatting. Oh, there's a month before what?
39:47
We played probably a month before we met you and our
39:51
original bass player had stage fright so bad that he froze up
39:54
before he went out on stage. I remember you telling me that
39:57
that's, that's, and he wasn't Jim Morrison, so that's why he's
40:00
no longer around. It was the dude.
40:04
It was the freakiest thing I've ever encountered in my life
40:06
because I went from playing with.
40:10
So my music career started out when I was nine.
40:14
I had a bunch of guys that I went to high school with that
40:17
one of them became a drummer, one of them became a bass
40:19
player, bunch of us became guitar players.
40:22
And there was one guy that taught us all how to play and he
40:25
was an amazing teacher. And all these guys, all these
40:29
guys, believe it or not, are still playing to this day.
40:31
And a lot of them are in a band together.
40:33
So it's amazing. At the community that he
40:37
created. As far as you know, we all still
40:40
know each other. We still talk to each other.
40:42
Yeah, it's it's really cool. So I never knew anybody that was
40:50
afraid to play in front of someone like that thought had we
40:53
were too stupid to know you were supposed to be scared, you know?
40:56
And that once you've, you know, once you've played in front of
41:01
people, that feeling just gets less and less.
41:05
As far as, like, we've talked about, it's more of your
41:08
adrenaline's pumping. You're ready to get on the
41:11
stage. It's not that you're afraid to
41:12
go out there, It's just that you can't stop your leg from shaking
41:16
and you just got all this adrenaline going and you're
41:19
ready to get out there and make it happen.
41:20
You know this guy, he was like, he was like in shock, dude.
41:27
Like I put my hand in front of his face and there was nothing,
41:30
like, no, no eye movement, nothing.
41:35
So I I suppose I should back up because the way this happened
41:39
was I'm bullshitting with the guys who were going on before us
41:43
and the guys who had just come off the stage.
41:45
And Scott came over and he said you better go see what's going
41:50
on with. I'm not going to mention names,
41:54
but anyway said you better go on and see what's going on with
41:57
this dude because something ain't right.
41:59
So that's what happened. When I went up to him, it was
42:02
just there was nothing, man. He was gone.
42:05
And I don't remember what I said to get him out there, but it
42:08
probably wasn't nice. That was it after that game.
42:13
Scott. Scott, Yeah.
42:14
Scott being the late, great Germer.
42:16
Yeah, yes. Unfortunately, Scott's no longer
42:19
with us. Rest in peace.
42:21
So. Yeah, after that gig he was, he
42:24
was tarnished that, yeah, that was the moment in time that I
42:28
knew Scott wasn't going to put up with any bullshit.
42:30
Because at the end of that gig, he's like, that can never happen
42:33
again. So we're going to have to find a
42:35
new singer and a new bass player.
42:39
And I thought he was kidding. I figured he would calm down.
42:42
Off the ledge, But no. The very next day he called me
42:48
up and he says I'm going to pick up my equipment at So and So's
42:51
house and I suggest you go do the same thing because I'm done.
42:55
He said that that can't ever happen again and it's hard to
42:58
argue with that. You can't.
43:00
You can't. Oh.
43:02
Yeah, you just can't be in a band with somebody that on any
43:07
given moment they're going to panic on you, you know?
43:12
Right. Yeah, yeah.
43:15
That's why I said the only person that that that ever
43:17
worked for that I know of is is Morrison.
43:21
Because Morrison had an extreme strange fright when they first
43:23
started playing to where he would, he would stand side stage
43:26
and and not look at the crowd. He'd still sing, he'd still
43:29
perform. But there was he just until he
43:32
finally was probably on some weird, you know, type of
43:38
psychotic or hallucinogen or something that would you know.
43:44
Make him oblivious to what he was doing.
43:46
It took him a while to actually turn around and embrace the
43:48
crowd, you know. Thankfully he did.
43:49
Because, you know, the Doors would never be The Doors had
43:52
Morrison not turned around. Yeah, and I don't know if this
43:56
is 1. Of the greatest American rock
43:57
bands of all time. I don't know if this is a
44:00
historical fact or not, but I've heard the same thing about Eddie
44:03
Van Halen. I have.
44:07
Ironically enough, I have too. But the difference with that
44:09
He's hiding behind a guitar, essentially.
44:12
Correct. And then you get.
44:14
I think it's I think personally because and this is biased
44:17
because I'm. I've always been a lead singer
44:19
of the bands so I've been in. But it's it's I think it weighs
44:23
more on the singers because there's nothing between me and
44:28
the crowd. You have an instrument.
44:30
Scott could hide behind a drum kit, not hide but Scott was
44:33
behind a drum kit, bass players behind the bass guitarist,
44:36
behind a guitar. She'd have something tangible.
44:39
And because I never really had the patience, because we'll call
44:42
it that. I never had the patience to
44:44
actually play an instrument or learn how on a grand scale.
44:50
I didn't I didn't have anything to kind of block I guess is the
44:56
I don't know what I'm you get what I'm trying to say though
44:58
I'm like I'm there like there's they got to go through me to get
45:01
to everybody else. So the ownership of everything
45:05
kind of fell on on the singers in my mind and did the the
45:11
musicians in the band. Because you had that element,
45:14
you didn't have to engage the crowd.
45:15
You didn't have to look at the crowd.
45:16
You didn't have to. You can just turn around and jam
45:19
with the bass player, you know, turn around and jam with the
45:21
drummer, you know? Yeah, I would.
45:23
I would actually agree with. No, I would actually agree with
45:27
everything you're saying 1,000,000% and I've described it
45:32
to 9 musicians the same way you just did.
45:36
There's two things that will make a band fail immediately.
45:41
One, if you have a bad drummer, you're not going anywhere.
45:45
I don't care how great everybody else is.
45:47
If your drummer sucks, your band sucks.
45:50
The same thing goes with your front man.
45:51
If you don't have someone that can command a crowd, you're
45:54
fucked. And I only know that not as a
45:59
theory, but in practice. Because after you left the band,
46:02
everything progressively went downhill.
46:05
Because as much as I love Rick, he just wasn't the he just
46:10
wasn't the commanding personality that you were on
46:13
stage. I'm not that commanding
46:15
personality either. That's why, you know, doing this
46:18
podcast is something that's really out-of-the-box for me.
46:22
It's not something that I normally would do, ironically
46:25
enough. It's something I've always
46:26
wanted to do, but I'm probably going to progressively get
46:31
better and better as I do it, and you're going to be very much
46:34
the same because you're used to being in front of a microphone
46:37
and talking to people. And I everybody, I forced Mike
46:39
to do this. And you know, and before I
46:43
forget, I, you know, it's the I've been in what what Disturbed
46:53
Nemesis. No Disturbed, Annulosian Dog,
46:56
Nemesis and the Council are the only four bands I recognize.
47:03
And and and I don't know what it is and this isn't me.
47:06
Look at me but every time I left they all fell apart.
47:10
I don't know why that is. Like I don't know why I the the
47:13
biggest we're going to have musically is leaving Nemesis.
47:15
I wish I never did that. I wish I would have just stuck
47:18
through the shit I was dealing with.
47:19
And and we just went on a high end this for a while for me to
47:22
to get to where I needed to be. So yeah, we wish you would.
47:25
We wish you would have done that too.
47:27
But I just. I didn't because of what we had.
47:30
That dude that wanted to follow the band around and record it
47:32
live, I didn't. I didn't want to be the reason
47:35
that that didn't happen, right? Yeah, that didn't happen.
47:40
Looking back on, if I can go back into, you know, Oh well, it
47:44
was supposed to happen but so looking back on it and so that
47:48
dude, I can't remember his last. Yeah, go ahead.
47:50
Tell me what? I can't remember his last name.
47:52
His name was Jeff, so he was a liaison between Metal Blade and
47:59
ourselves. He was going from being a live
48:03
sound engineer. The last tour that he did before
48:06
he got with us was the Queen's Reich tour.
48:10
I think it was their Promised Land album.
48:12
I I can't remember what that album is called.
48:14
I think it was called The Promised Land.
48:18
So he was their front of house sound engineer.
48:20
And that was during EMI, yes? So he had just done that last
48:27
tour with Queen's Reich and he was building a studio in his
48:31
house in Paradise Valley. So Scott and I went and toured
48:36
the studio, which was amazing. He just basically took one whole
48:40
half of a gigantic house in Paradise Valley and he made that
48:45
half of the house studio. He was going to start recording
48:49
bands for Metal Blade. So basically what we had was we
48:53
had a development deal with Metal Blade and he was going to
48:58
be our producer. But there was one condition.
49:01
When you left, you were the you were the biggest reason that he
49:05
wanted the band because it was the whole package.
49:09
See, I never I I I never knew that.
49:13
I never knew the whole Metal Blade stuff.
49:16
All I all I ever knew was we were going to go to these shows
49:21
in the Midwest for a month or so and and I just, I didn't know
49:26
that whole. Development part of it because I
49:28
don't know. And then it really would have
49:29
been OK. We need to get Chris healthy so
49:31
then we can really do this thing well because I he wanted.
49:34
I I never would have. He wanted us to go do those
49:38
shows because so basically anytime a band's getting ready
49:42
to go in the studio, they'll go do a little mini tour, right?
49:46
That was going to be that little mini tour was just to make sure
49:49
that we were playing every day and that we had no breaks
49:53
between the time that we went out on that tour and that we
49:56
went in the studio. It was just basically a warm up
49:58
to go in and record what would have been our album.
50:01
Gotcha. Yeah.
50:02
See, I didn't know that shit. You didn't tell me that shit.
50:04
My shame on you. I don't know if I had an option
50:08
back then. But, you know, anyway, so that,
50:12
yeah, so, so yeah, that was one of those things that they've and
50:15
looking back in my life, there's not very many things I regret.
50:18
But that's one of the things that that have always you
50:20
dreaded. And I and I tried to replace it
50:22
right with with the two bands subsequently and they just, you
50:27
know, you know, you know well names you know.
50:32
But we we had something special man.
50:35
There was we've we've talked about it at nauseam between the
50:39
two of us but not to the general public.
50:41
So we we had just an amazing relationship between the four of
50:46
us and the the the conflicts that would arise.
50:51
There was somebody that would always say something funny to
50:56
make everybody laugh or whatever, man.
50:58
We never, I don't think we ever came to the point where we're
51:01
going to come to blows over anything.
51:03
And we never argued about the direction of the music.
51:05
It was always what's what's best for the song.
51:07
Always. Right, right.
51:12
The only argument I ever honestly remember was when.
51:16
Scott didn't like the amount of time I was saying are you
51:18
satisfied? In that song I wrote about my my
51:21
fun relationship with Roger Klein and then the Refreshments.
51:25
Now he's the Peacemakers because he had they had removed somebody
51:31
from their band due to substance abuse problem, which I thought
51:33
was fucked up. You stand by.
51:35
You're the refreshments. Right, you stand by the
51:39
Refreshments wrote the theme song to King of the Hill for
51:42
those who aren't in the know. They did.
51:44
They did, Absolutely. He's still getting money for
51:45
that, I'm sure. But yeah, I'm sure they're
51:48
making a good living off. It We had a We had a, yeah, we
51:53
had a we had a fun little, I'm not going to say a friendship,
51:57
because it wasn't really that we'd running each other at at at
52:00
Tempe U nightclubs when they were playing and whatnot.
52:02
And I just, I didn't like what they did to Dusty.
52:05
So I held a sign up saying, Where's Dusty?
52:07
At a show. And then half with you, the
52:09
show. I replaced that sign by turning
52:11
it around, saying Roger who? Oh, did that piss him off?
52:16
I think you pub. I think you publicly cussed him
52:18
out on stage a couple times too. Yeah, I did.
52:23
I just why didn't customize? I just.
52:25
I referred to him as a tippy jangle Jang.
52:27
The tippy jangle jangle sound. Tippy Jingle jangle sound.
52:31
And if you hear for that, you're in the wrong place because we're
52:33
all about rock'n'roll. That was it.
52:37
But yeah, he he, he, he. After that song was over in my
52:42
sign Chris thought him is that you?
52:45
Crowd went and I was like, what? And I was like 5 people from the
52:50
stage. Is that you?
52:51
I'm like, yeah, we're going to have a conversation about you
52:55
running your mouth about what you don't know about.
52:57
I'm right here. You never came off the stage.
53:00
Obviously it never amounted to anything other than that.
53:03
But. The fun thing was that lived on
53:05
for a while because as we would play our shows and shit, people
53:08
would randomly be like, oh you're that dude that held that
53:11
sign up and pissed. Rock drop.
53:13
Yes, I am. So you know not not only that
53:17
and. Then I ended up selling a house
53:18
to his brother, which was the weirdest thing.
53:20
Not only that, man. I think the coolest thing for us
53:25
is we were not single handedly, but we were one of the first
53:29
bands to change that particular region sound from the Gin
53:33
Blossoms to what it became later.
53:36
Yeah, yeah. I mean, we sold out every time
53:38
we played and back then not a lot of people realize this, I'm
53:41
sure that are going to hear this.
53:43
But back then you had to sell tickets for your show before the
53:46
show. Yes.
53:48
You couldn't just go to the door and say I'm here to see this
53:50
band. We actually had to sell our
53:52
tickets to our shows ahead of time, yes, basically we had to
53:57
guarantee that people were going to show up.
54:02
Yep, Yep. And we did.
54:05
We, I don't remember. We had a couple shows at the
54:08
Hollywood Alley that just were just shit the typical, you know
54:13
four people on the crowd type thing when we first started
54:15
playing out. But I don't, I don't think the
54:18
Mesa jar we ever had a very, I think we always had a really
54:22
solid crowd there. I know the bottom We always had
54:24
a good crowd. Maybe in the very beginning, the
54:28
Hollywood, because we were playing.
54:29
Yeah, but. That was a weird play too.
54:32
It wasn't really band friendly. Remember how they had those
54:34
really high fucking booths and shit with?
54:38
Yeah, like lean up to see outside the booth.
54:40
It just it didn't make sense to me, that place, Where was that
54:43
at? It's gone now.
54:44
I forget what it is. But the Hollywood Alley?
54:46
Remember that off one-on-one And Price or Oh yeah, that.
54:50
Place was. It was.
54:51
It was that place was set up all.
54:54
Fucked up, right? Yeah.
54:57
Yeah, it was dumb, man. I had a buddy that played there.
55:01
I'd go see him in a band called Dow Jones, Tao Jones, and he
55:06
took one of my poems and wrote a song with it, which is fucking
55:10
bad ass. But I went and watched him play
55:11
because he would play with, he'd play a sitar.
55:14
Like he somehow made a sitar work in rock.
55:20
Not fucking Indian, you know that?
55:23
Where's? Originated from, but just right.
55:27
He made it work with rock'n'roll.
55:28
I fucking lights out, man. So what's that feel about a
55:32
couple times? Just because.
55:35
Did he really? Yeah.
55:36
The beginning of Wherever I May Roam is a sitar.
55:41
Oh, just get the fuck out of here 100% dude.
55:47
And when we get technically savvy, I would, I would play it
55:50
for you if I could, but I don't know how to do that right now.
55:53
That's badass, dude. Yeah, that's very cool.
55:55
All right. Well, we're approaching in an
55:59
hour, so I think we should figure out a way to wrap this
56:01
thing up, because I got to pee. All right.
56:05
And you don't like peeing on screen?
56:06
That would be bad because I'd have no, no.
56:08
I don't think anybody needs to see that but.
56:12
So this is, this is whatever we're going to call ourselves
56:15
right now. The Working Thing is the Super
56:17
Not Professional podcast with the subtitle of Music, Mayhem
56:21
and and what was the other thing?
56:25
Music and Myth and Mayhem. What the fuck?
56:28
Myth music. Yeah, music myth and mayhem.
56:31
Is music myth and mayhem? All under the umbrella, All new,
56:35
right? Yeah, Yeah, you know, that's a
56:38
good. That's a good working title.
56:40
Along with the Super Net Professional Podcast.
56:42
You know, I think we accomplished a lot in our first
56:44
podcast. I've never done a podcast
56:45
before. I have done.
56:47
Radio. I've done my quote UN quote.
56:49
Good. Yeah, I've never done one
56:52
either. So listening, well, you know,
56:53
I'm happy with it. It'll be, it'll be cool to fuck
56:56
around with it afterwards and and see what we can do as far
56:59
as, you know, editing it into, you know, a video content type
57:03
thing and slicing little elements and shit and farming
57:06
them out to a little world on Google.
57:09
Yeah, I'm going to make this. Ironically enough, when I signed
57:11
on my YouTube clips, I signed on my YouTube.
57:15
Today, they have this new spot for podcasts.
57:18
Awesome. Holy shit.
57:20
Well, I'm going to make you some.
57:21
I'm going to make you some clips and no, but I will.
57:26
OK, OK, you got it. When we decide for sure what
57:31
we're calling this damn thing, that's that should be the
57:33
podcast. That should be the YouTube
57:34
channel name and that's what I want to get to as we we'll we'll
57:39
decide on a title in the next week and or day or whatever.
57:44
And we'll, yeah, put it up on YouTube and Facebook and
57:48
everyone can watch it. I'm going to sign off here.
57:51
Hold on, this is a raging success, man.
57:53
Where I had a very good time anyway, that until next time
57:58
anybody that made it this far, we commend you.
58:01
Until next time, peace. Yeah, absolutely.
58:06
Until next time. See you later.