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Third Base Choices · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen
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  Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always as a man who is
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  Speaker 3: Buffalo, New York. So we'll see. We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: As holiday weekend seems like a good way to experiment
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  Speaker 1: whether it's really worth.
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  Speaker 2: It, right, So that's definitely true, So we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Uh well, thank everybody for listening having us as a
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  Speaker 3: Goings and comings and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the Tigers haven't necessarily cooperated with giving us something
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  Speaker 1: interesting to talk about, but that's okay. We as always,
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  Speaker 1: as always, there's always more to go back. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how other people's minds were Cody, but
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  Speaker 1: mine is like, oh man, I really kind of wish
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  Speaker 1: I would have brought that point up, or how.
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  Speaker 3: Would I forget this thing? You know?
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  Speaker 1: And actually one of them comes from a listener, so like,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta give credit. Let me pull it up real quick.
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  Speaker 1: We talked last week and I thought, actually it was
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  Speaker 1: a really good discussion about like the starting rotation like
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  Speaker 1: taking form and then kind of zeroed in on Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: Job and and and you're through your sourcing and reporting
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  Speaker 1: like you know, pretty adamant as things stand right now,
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  Speaker 1: like Job's gonna be like part of it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And I want to.
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  Speaker 3: Give credit here.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick McCulloch said, like, okay, but you gotta, you know,
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  Speaker 1: look at the innings pitch from Jackson, and we have
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  Speaker 1: talked about that a little bit, but we didn't talk
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  Speaker 1: about in the context of, well, what are we even
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  Speaker 1: doing here if he's not going to be on the
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  Speaker 1: team exiting Lakeland. So thank you, Patrick gives us a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more to you know, reign here to kind
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  Speaker 1: of talk about it. So we'll over fresher Jackson, Joe
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  Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two through seventy seven point one innings
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, sixty four, and then last season this
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  Speaker 1: is all levels obviously last season ninety one point two.
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  Speaker 1: So he's a young guy. He you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: something that we look at and in addition to you know,
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  Speaker 1: pitchcown and and then you know, this also kind of
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  Speaker 1: goes into our discussion that we had a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about like arms and the state of them and in
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  Speaker 1: baseball in general. But the context of Jackson Job needs
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  Speaker 1: to be part of this rotation, with the fact that
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  Speaker 1: that is signing him up for a significant upgrade and workload. Cody,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'll ask you how much of that is
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  Speaker 1: part of your calculus and how much of it should
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  Speaker 1: be part of the Tigers calculus in terms of how
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  Speaker 1: they handled this prize prospect that they got.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think kind of the suggestion here is that
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  Speaker 2: would it not be better to keep Job in the
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  Speaker 2: minors for a little bit, See if you can finagle
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  Speaker 2: the service time and then you don't have to worry
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  Speaker 2: about him running into an innings limitation late in the season.
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  Speaker 2: That's certainly a five. I think that's certainly something that
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  Speaker 2: Tigers have to consider. My mind immediately goes to Paul
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  Speaker 2: schemes who did not begin the season on the opening
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  Speaker 2: day roster, and then through a lot of innings and
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  Speaker 2: toward late August early September, the Pirates were faced with
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  Speaker 2: kind of a know when situation. They weren't eligible to
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  Speaker 2: receive the draft pick that would be awarded if Schemes
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  Speaker 2: were to win Rookie of the Year because they didn't
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  Speaker 2: put him on the opening day roster. And then so
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  Speaker 2: it's like, do you still just shut him down. If
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  Speaker 2: you shut him down, maybe he's not gonna win Rookie
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  Speaker 2: of the Year. That kind of sucks, but you don't
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  Speaker 2: get anything out of him winning Rookie of the Year. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: I think worrying about innings limitations personally is putting the
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  Speaker 2: card in front of the horse a little bit. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's a bridge you cross when you get there.
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  Speaker 2: To use yet another analogy, like if Joba is healthy
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  Speaker 2: and he is throwing well and you begin to have
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  Speaker 2: to worry about in innings limitation, that means a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things have gone right, and that means he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be eligible to win Rookie of the Year. Probably
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  Speaker 2: that means he your team could receive a draft pick
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  Speaker 2: award through MLB's new rules, and we've seen the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: manage these things pretty well in the past. It's easily
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  Speaker 2: possible to build in an extra day for him. I'd
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  Speaker 2: imagine if Job is on the opening day roster, that's
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  Speaker 2: some thing they'd be pretty cognizant about from the start,
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  Speaker 2: getting him an extra day of rest or two here
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  Speaker 2: and there. They will have to monitors innings all season.
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  Speaker 2: Another thought that comes to mind. One of the takeaways
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  Speaker 2: from the study MLB released last week was like, starters
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  Speaker 2: are not being adequately prepared in the minor leagues. There
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  Speaker 2: was for so long this thought that like protecting arms
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  Speaker 2: meant having them not throw a lot, and now we're
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  Speaker 2: starting to see, like, well, guys are only throwing three
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  Speaker 2: four innings in the minor leagues, how do you expect
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  Speaker 2: them to then go six seven innings in the major leagues.
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  Speaker 2: Jackson Job is going to be a pretty good case
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  Speaker 2: study for this, because for the most part, the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: have taken it very easy with him, especially early in seasons,
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  Speaker 2: not giving him, not giving him a lot of leash,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of rope in terms of going multiple times
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  Speaker 2: through the order in the minors, and that's why his
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  Speaker 2: innings totals. In addition, some injuries have been so low
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  Speaker 2: you would think he's probably not going to throw more
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  Speaker 2: than one hundred and twenty maybe one hundred and thirty innings.
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  Speaker 2: But if you get one hundred and twenty one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and thirty innings of Jackson drop in the major leagues
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  Speaker 2: this year, that means a lot of things have gone right.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's uhould be happy to them worry
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  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 1: In September, do you think that schemes at the announcement
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  Speaker 1: of him winning rook of the Year, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the Pirates were getting draft pick composite compensation is why
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  Speaker 1: he just didn't have that much of an enthusiastic look
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  Speaker 1: on his face. Is that did we crack the code
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  Speaker 1: on that?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think he emotes much in general,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like he's like, oh, man, if only
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  Speaker 1: if only they gotten that pick, it.
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  Speaker 2: Would stop smiling. The team is not getting a draft it.
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  Speaker 1: Would have been a team award, but another but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the other school thought is that, like, if you view
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  Speaker 1: these pictures, as uh it sounds, it's a little harsh,
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  Speaker 1: but in a certain way, somewhat like depreciate assets, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you believe there's only so many innings in an arm,
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  Speaker 1: only so many pitches. The other way of thinking about
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  Speaker 1: it is like team's good, he's good enough, We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: waste more time, you know, waste more bullets, I guess
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  Speaker 1: in the minor leagues, as opposed to having him impact
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  Speaker 1: our major league team. It's a classic case of being
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  Speaker 1: able to talk your way into either scenario.
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  Speaker 3: I do. I do think that.
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  Speaker 1: It should if this was the twenty twenty two Tigers,
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three Tigers, hell, the twenty twenty four Tigers, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, going into the season, you're probably like, looking
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  Speaker 1: at it's probably the best move to kind of work
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  Speaker 1: him up through Triple A and have him again, you know,
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  Speaker 1: work on all these little pitching jargons.
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  Speaker 3: That they like to throw out there.
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  Speaker 1: But now again, I do believe that the stakes are higher,
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  Speaker 1: and the indications are that they believe that too. Considering
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  Speaker 1: when division, like you know, aj Hinch sain win the
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  Speaker 1: division and then the fact that they brought him up
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  Speaker 1: last year carry him into the postseason. It all lends
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  Speaker 1: itself to this facet. I do, however, want to predict
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  Speaker 1: sometimes around here this time of year, we like to
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  Speaker 1: predict storylines from spring training. One of them will be
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it from AJ. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to give an innings limit, you know, to Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't want him thinking about it while he's
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  Speaker 1: out there on the mount that's.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred p sect that he said. AJ.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're listening, and I know you're smiling because
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  Speaker 1: you've already got that in the chamber first or second.
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  Speaker 2: Day of spring training. He's gonna break that one out.
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  Speaker 1: So uh so, I mean, the bottom line is too code,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm glad you brought up. This is a good
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  Speaker 1: problem to have. This is a good problem to have
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  Speaker 1: for the healthy organization and the talent that is jackson job.
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  Speaker 1: And uh you know has it's been a while since
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  Speaker 1: we had to do a Marcelo Meyer update. So that's
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  Speaker 1: how see how excited everybody is about Joe. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's it right there.
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  Speaker 2: You're not wrong, You're not wrong at all.
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  Speaker 3: So we're gonna do this moving forward. This is what
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  Speaker 3: we call it teas here.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna do this, like you know, probably at the
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  Speaker 1: start of the new year, but we'll kind of look
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  Speaker 1: at some off season moves and how like the state
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  Speaker 1: of the teams that would be like the Tigers like
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  Speaker 1: chief competition in the American League. So we're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: do like a whole deep dive, but it is kind
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  Speaker 1: of topical that, you know, last time we talked, we
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  Speaker 1: were assuming that Bregman had one less suitor.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's like ninety.
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  Speaker 1: Percent sure that's Alex Bregman has one less suitor because
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  Speaker 1: the Astros after you know, getting the stiff arm, brief
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  Speaker 1: stiff arm if you believe the reporting coming from our
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  Speaker 1: colleague Katie wou over there at Cardinals territory, not you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a no for now, but not no forever. He's
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to wait around, so they went and signed
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  Speaker 1: Christian Walker what was it three years, uh, three years six,
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  Speaker 1: and he's gonna play first base, and they're gonna put
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  Speaker 1: Pardes at third base. So live moving parts there as
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  Speaker 1: it pertains to the Tigers. Now there's for sure one
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  Speaker 1: less suitor for Alex Bregman. And I do wonder how
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  Speaker 1: Boris is gonna play this out because there's so now
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  Speaker 1: there's no like going.
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  Speaker 3: Back home element like that. One is officially done.
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  Speaker 1: It was probably done from the get go, but now
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  Speaker 1: like there's no possibility your ex has moved on. So
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  Speaker 1: so you can only look forward. If you're Alex, so
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  Speaker 1: is he looking at a bidding war for his services
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  Speaker 1: or is he looking at situation, because it would be
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  Speaker 1: it will be very I'll be very curious whether an
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  Speaker 1: actual bidding war takes place or if the contracts are
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  Speaker 1: more or less gonna be in the same realm, and
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  Speaker 1: he kind of kind of like rookie will be doing
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  Speaker 1: like he gets to kind of choose his situation more
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  Speaker 1: so than his contract because the contract will kind of
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  Speaker 1: speak for itself. Here, take clauses and options, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, because each one that we think Boston,
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  Speaker 1: New York's right, both of them kind of in there
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  Speaker 1: and in Detroit, like each one of them kind of present,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, like a viable option for what would
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  Speaker 1: be the more or less the last act of his career.
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  Speaker 1: So do you have a read on what this like
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  Speaker 1: market could be. What you think is like a likely
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  Speaker 1: way for it to play out, not necessarily where he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna sign, but sort of like the actions that lead
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  Speaker 1: to him agreeing to a contract.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I have a great read. I
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  Speaker 2: know that if I were Scott Boris, I think I
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  Speaker 2: would be beginning to get a little bit nervous because
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  Speaker 2: this market has cooled pretty quickly. Maybe that's expected around
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  Speaker 2: the holidays or whatever, But it seems like if anyone
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  Speaker 2: we're willing to pay the two hundred million, it probably
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  Speaker 2: would have happened by now. I think it seems like
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  Speaker 2: no one wants to give Bregman that money. Were the
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  Speaker 2: years probably that would require that level of money. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's going to be a bidding
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  Speaker 2: war between the Yankees and the Red Sox. I think
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  Speaker 2: the Red Sox make a ton of sense. If I
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  Speaker 2: had to guess where he goes, I'd probably be my
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  Speaker 2: prediction right now. But it's some of the I don't
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  Speaker 2: even want to call it reporting rumors that are out there,
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  Speaker 2: is like Kora likes him more than the front office
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  Speaker 2: likes and stuff like that. I would be glad to
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  Speaker 2: fire boss and have Bregman bang doubles off the Green
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  Speaker 2: Monster all day long. Like if that, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: Ronado looms out there in theory, he would be okay
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  Speaker 2: going to the Yankees or the Red Sox. So what
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  Speaker 2: if you know, if you're bored, you're like, all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: Bregman's going to go to the Yankees. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: get them to pay up. Or if they trade for
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  Speaker 2: Arnato and then it's like, what if the Red Sox
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  Speaker 2: are lukewarm on him? Then, man, the Tigers, what if
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  Speaker 2: they can slide in with a nice discount deal, you know,
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  Speaker 2: knock the years down, knock the money down a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: That could be a great scenario for Detroit. In some
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  Speaker 2: ways things are shaping up, maybe to the Tigers liking.
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  Speaker 2: But we're gonna see what the next step is here.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it all depends is why these other
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  Speaker 2: teams going to be willing to kind of go all
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  Speaker 2: in for Alex Bregman. I don't know this for a fact.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the sense the Tigers aren't going to do
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  Speaker 2: that unless kind of that next shoe drops and it
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  Speaker 2: could there could another team get in on this, Like
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  Speaker 2: what are what are the Seattle Mariners doing right now?
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  Speaker 2: Why are they not are in this discussion? Is a
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  Speaker 2: question I have. It's gonna be a super fascinating thing
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  Speaker 2: to see how this market shakes up and right now,
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  Speaker 2: especially how quiet it is. I wonder if this is
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  Speaker 2: going to turn into a longer process than we might
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  Speaker 2: have envisioned, even around the time of winter meetings.
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  Speaker 3: Is there.
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  Speaker 1: Is it on the board that Bregman decides to do
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  Speaker 1: one of those Korea type contracts or Bellinger type contracts
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  Speaker 1: where it's three years. Years don't really matter because it's
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  Speaker 1: all about the opt out clauses. Like you know, you
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  Speaker 1: you throw out some fugeze year number and some fighesy
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  Speaker 1: salary numbers that's a word, yeah, and then you just
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  Speaker 1: and then and then you just like basically like we
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  Speaker 1: we all understand what's going on here, Like we watch you,
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  Speaker 1: we would love to keep you, but we also know
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  Speaker 1: what you're looking for. Like like because remember Korea signed
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  Speaker 1: and before it's twenty twenty two, he signed three years,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and five, all right, and had opt outs
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  Speaker 1: after the first and second seasons. So again blamer Astro
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  Speaker 1: talk of the town free agent. That's what he ends
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  Speaker 1: up signing. Of course, like he's done the opt out
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  Speaker 1: and then he had the Giants thing we all know,
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  Speaker 1: so like, is that in play for Bregmant? Is that
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  Speaker 1: something that we that maybe like if you're gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: like the tigers pounce pun the tiger's pounce, Like is
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  Speaker 1: that the pounce?
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  Speaker 3: Is that the pounce?
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  Speaker 2: But not necessarily I'm sure they would love that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that's probably kind of what they're hoping for.
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  Speaker 2: I don't if you're pregnant, like if someone offers you,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, six one sixty five or something like that, like,
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  Speaker 2: is that really not good enough for you? Man? Maybe
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  Speaker 2: even get up to one to eighty, Like, I think
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  Speaker 2: I would take that rather than risk something. He's coming
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  Speaker 2: off a good year. It's not like he has to
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  Speaker 2: recoup any value. The Karaia thing happened because I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: because other teams got desperate and signed Hobby Bias before
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  Speaker 2: the lockout, and then the market just kind of crashed. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't maybe the market for Bregmant isn't as strong
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  Speaker 2: as we once thought it was going to be. Where
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  Speaker 2: is it like intense that teams were going to bid
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  Speaker 2: up the value and stuff like that. But I think
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  Speaker 2: there's still interest and he's still going to get a
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  Speaker 2: large payday versus the risk of signing one of these
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  Speaker 2: deals with some opt outs and you re enter free
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  Speaker 2: agency and you're another year older. And let's say you'd
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  Speaker 2: take one of these three year deals with an opt
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  Speaker 2: out and you go to Camerica Park and you don't
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  Speaker 2: hit for any bower, Like, are you really as much
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  Speaker 2: as I think you'd be a great fit for the Tigers,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's some risk factor involved there. I think if
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  Speaker 2: I were advising Brettman, I was like, dude, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get you paid. It might take a little bit longer.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you're not going to get two hundred million, but
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get you a nice contract. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: And I think I don't think he's like, when the
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  Speaker 2: market is crashed, it's become a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: bad look for Boris. I would have to think he's
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  Speaker 2: trying to avoid that happening with his bigger clients this year,
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  Speaker 2: and so far he's off to a very good start.
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  Speaker 2: But we got a couple more big boys still on
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  Speaker 2: the board here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If the Soto contract gets to UH gets everybody forget
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  Speaker 1: about any sort of market crashing, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That that'd be.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be something for like two years from now for
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  Speaker 1: us to revisit UH. But part of the desire for
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers to bring in Bregman is because like if
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you look at if I do this every now and then,
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  Speaker 1: I just go and look at last year's roster, which
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: for the most part is this year's roster, and you'd think.
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  Speaker 3: Not, I can't say that I would have guaranteed.
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  Speaker 1: Some sort of running the playoffs, you know, with what
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: they were trying out there, and and that's a credit
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: to everybody involved. It's a credit age staff, you know,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Scott making, you know, pushing the right buttons, blah blah blah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: But you still feel like.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: There's room to upgrade this roster, and Reregman slides in
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: there at a very natural spot because the American League,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this, although it is not top heavy,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: there's still a lot of what we could call contenders,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: and I know, like a top ten list in Major
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: League Baseball really doesn't matter like at all. But Buster
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: only put out his top ten this week. I think
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: it was Thursday, maybe Friday, and I was like, I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: wonder if Tigers on here, No, they you know who?
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: You know who was on there? The Yankees, how outrageous,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: not just kidding. Who was on there?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Was the Guardians, and I don't have it from you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I think they were like six. And then at number
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: ten was the Kansas City Royals, who, like, I don't
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: think anyone in Kansas City scared Detroit. I don't think
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: anyone's in Detroit is scared of Kansas City, right, I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: think that's like a good way.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: To put it.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And they but they notched out like the Red Sox
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and the and the Tigers for that ten spot, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it just got me thinking, like this is why you like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: there's like a longing for a Bregmant type move, because
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: like there's as cool as everything last year was, it's
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: still last year. I'm pulling it up right now. As
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I taught Cleveland was seven. I was read the top
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: ten right now. So number one Dodgers on two Philadelphia,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: which is kind of funny given like it just feels
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like something volatile with like some of the moves they
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: may or may not make, and you know, day's always
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a wild card, right Atlanta, Number three New York. So
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that's that's three National League teams. That's what I mean
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: about like the American League, the Yankees, four, Padres, five Mets, six,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Guardians seven, Orioles eight Mariners nine, and man.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: It might be surprising, that's what he said.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: But basically I think he's anticipating them kind of taking
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: over the West, so therefore, like he's going to put
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: them there, which.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Texas strangers a rasuer, I'm telling you guys.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And then, like I say, Kansas City is ted. So
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: what do you make of that list?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: That the Mariners very much surprised me, But otherwise I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: think that's a fine list. In relation to the Tigers,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: they're not on there. They're not on a lot of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: other power I think as I'm like fourteenth on some
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: power rankings, they're not on there because they're not good
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: enough right now. To take all this a step further,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: as Kieran goes and checks on the pets, the Tigers,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: like Fangrafts just came out with their zips projections for
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the Tigers. I look forward to this day every year
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: just because it's very interesting, and I've been saying for
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a while these projections are going to come out and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the Tigers are going to be like seventy eight, seventy nine,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: eighty something like that wins, And sure enough, Dan Simborski rights,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: this team really needs to add another impact that there
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: a variety of spots in the lineup they can target,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and players like Alex Bregmant and Taos Fergrnandez remain on
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the board. Personally, I don't like Hernandez as a fit
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: for Detroit, but obviously Bregman. Yeah. It goes on to
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: say that the Tigers are projected to be about a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: five hundred team. A five hundred team with some upside
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: is a team to take seriously in the Al Central,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and there's still the theoretical possibility the Tigers do more
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: this winter. I agree with all that five hundred. You
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: look at these projections, you could argue it maybe is
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: undervaluing Riley Green a little bit. Maybe it's undervaluing Colt
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Keith a little bit. I would argue it could still
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: be overvaluing Tray Sweeney. And it very much likes the
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: team's pitching staff, but there can always be volatility in pitching.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: When I look at this, it really brings things into
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: folk because if the Tigers add one more impact that
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: they're a lot better. If they had a five win player,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: they could go from being picked to win eighty games
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: to eighty four eighty five games, and that can make
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a big difference. You can look at this and even
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: continue to make the case for adding another established starter
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to really just kind of bulk up and strengthen this rotation.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: These projections are really interesting and I hope you will
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: go check it out. At Fangrafts, they do projections kind
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: of like jayse Young predicted he'll be a two war player.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: There's some other very interesting things in here, but I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: just keep coming back to like they're not in the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: top ten because there is not a top ten roster
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: right now. They could easily be a top ten roster
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: with one and a half serious additions and this oboseason
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: not over, but you know, kind of the budget editions
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: aren't going to get you there.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: That's a good way to put it, because it like.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Because that's like it's kind of like two statements that's
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that's say different things, but they're also the same. So
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it's like the Tigers are close. If you just look
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: at how far they got last year, you say, yes,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the Tigers are close, and that almost lends itself to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: running it back. Keep doing what you're doing, and in
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a way you could say it's not like the most
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: wrong approach to have, but you say, like the Tigers
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: are close to they get one more bat, they can
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: go here. Then then then we're talking about something completely different,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: So like like I I.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Liked, I liked, I like Stavas like that the Tigers
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: are close, Yes they are close, But which version of
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that statement are you are you saying?
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: And that's why and we have to spend a whole
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: lot of time on it. But that's why I was like, look.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: If if Cody Bellinger is essentially free and you're not
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: getting anywhere with some of these other options, I know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he's not the most natural fit. Like they the Yankees
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: got him, and they got cash. They got him for
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: like a less than one more player, So like like
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like at a certain point, like a pitcher too, Like
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you could have done every team could have done that trade.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: What'll we say about a tiny's contract. Every team could
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: have done that contract. Every team could have made a
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Bellinger trade, Like you got you got an arm that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you know that is worth less than one win above replacement,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and you can get this guy who is going to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: give you a higher output offensively, you know, or a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: higher output and it be offensively like Carboner insurance anybody
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: give yourself the ability to be a little bit more
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: optionality with some of your pieces in the lineup, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and and just like get you, get you another lefty
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: power hitter. Like I know it's not like seamless, but
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: to me, it still kind of makes you better, Like
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: like that kind of thing.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I said, don't want to spend a whole lot of
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: time in it. But when I see like.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Aid returns, I'm like, come on, man, like you could
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: have done that, like you know.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: It's like I got upset when I'm on like eBay
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I don't wanna.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: It's all much.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to pay for it. And then I see
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it went like one dollar more. I was like I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: could have paid that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel about some of some of these trades.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: But so die Tribe over on that the bigger. The
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: bigger thing when it comes to, you know, upgrading the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: roster and the Bregmant conversation is how do the Tigers
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: view Jace Young? Because I I always kind of felt like,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know, they like him, they see him for the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: prospect that he is. You're not really banking on Jace Young.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: You're you're certainly not keeping it like, uh, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: keeping you from upgrading that position. He's not like a
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Torkalsen type like presence, you know, like the number one
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: over pick, the face of the rebuild, you know, that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Kind of thing.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, like if they're gonna do
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: next to nothing at third base, then I have to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: kind of re evaluate how I think they look at
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Jase Young, who you know, he only had seventy nine
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: at bats two forty one. He was on base three
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: sixty two. You know, I got his like minor league numbers.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: He's a three seventy seven on base in Triple A,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: which is where he spent the majority of last season. Obviously, uh,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: seems to be a below average slightly below average fielder.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: And I didn't see butcher, but that word has been
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: thrown around me views on this podcast before. I just
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: felt like this, like if this was if there was
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: one of your first round picks that you weren't gonna
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: be worried about like superseding, it would have been Jace Young.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But if they're gonna like go around Jase Young to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: improve the roster, and then it's like maybe they like
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: him more than I thought.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that's still one of the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: great mysteries. You know. I tried to get a sense
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: of that at winter meetings Tectical Scott and aj about it,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: and I don't know that anything they said really like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: informed my view of how much they do or don't
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: like him. You know, they said kind of gave the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: rundown of him as a player, like he has some
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: things to improve, blah blah blah. You know, we know
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: he can hit things of that nature. I do think
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a mystery because we were
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: coming up the season kind of you didn't play it
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: all in the playoffs. You're kind of starting to get
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: this perception that, like, they don't have a lot of
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: confidence in them. But then you step back and even
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: in his first taste of big league action, he was
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: getting on base. There's a guy who really has hit
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: pretty consistently throughout his minor league career at every level.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: We know this team loves its young hitters, Like there's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: still some things that Jays Young brings to the table
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that you probably wouldn't just want to pass up. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I think now that sounds like Cole Keith's going to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: get some time at first, Like maybe that opens some
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: time for Jase at second. And I tend to think
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: that's still a better fit for him. But a lot
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: of their decisions could indeed revolve around how confident they
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: ultimately are in him, in him in his future.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Like you know, it's a big twelve guy, Like I'm
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for the big twelve guys, you know, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and so like I would like to think, like, all right,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: here's you know, if he was the prospect of his brother,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you know, that'd be that would be awesome. But but
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it we used to I'm not getting any real indications
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: here from that, And so you know, for the lefty
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: thing in with the like I just that's why, like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: half jokingly, kind of serious said, like, you know, talk
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: about Jase Young like you know, winter meetings or whatever,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: because like I wanted to get some better perspective on it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And if you're not in love with Jay so young
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and you have a playoff team that you want to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: win the division that like the rest of the roster
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: is not strong enough.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Two with real stakes.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Just kind of hope for for ja Song, if that
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: makes sense, And so like, you know, I try to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: find like some alternatives, and you know, like they're part
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of why.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: This is so hard.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: There's just like not that many like options that you
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the A that you like or B that you think
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: like the Tigers would like, you know, and and so
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: like I was looking at free agents, I was looking
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: at you know, and also if somebody placed their base,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: then like you play like one ding at first base,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're more of a first basement.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: So it's like, how much is it really this that
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: other thing?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So, speaking of Big twelve, I'm just gonna go back
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to the well there, I've mentioned them before, but Christian
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and Incarnaci own Strand.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: That's always hard for me to say that for some reason.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Uh okahma State guy, he hasn't really.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Gotten a lot of run in Cincinnati, and Cincinnati's another team.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I said this before that I'm just like ver, I'm
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: not really sure how they're trying to go about things.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Of Francona was just on like a podcast just speaking
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: generally about you know, you need a thousand at bats
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, a guy at the major
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: league level, and uh, Incarnacion Strand is at one sixteen.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: So it's like, are you doing the are you giving
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: him the thousand? He won sixteen last year, one sixteen
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: last year, so like and he's been hurt. Uh the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: numbers aren't great, but in the minor leagues in Triple
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: A he was four hundred on base, so like, like
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: there's a profile there that potentially makes sense. He's a
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: right hander, Like I didn't do like a deep die
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: because there's so many like, uh, you know, there's so
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: many stats for this that. The other thing, he hasn't
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: played a lot of third base at the major league level,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: so they just gonna make him a first baseman. But
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: as of now, that at that bat is not a
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: first base bat, so he kind of has to play
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: third base if I were to be honest with him.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Uh So, like in theory, maybe he'll be going there
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit more.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: The Rangers have a guy that seems kind of like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: locked out. He's on their forty man, Jonathan or Nellis.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: He's a it was a twenty eighteen draft pick, I believe,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: a third round pick, but just says you can almost
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: get some Wentzel Perez vibes from him about like how
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: how long it's kind of taken. He hasn't really he
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: didn't have the year that Perez did. But how long
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it's taken for him? And he's you know, they got
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: will Smith, they got the older young. There's not really
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: like a they got sime In and Seeger like infield's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: kind of loaded in turn and they just got just
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: got Burger.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: So not really a whole lot of spots for him.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe he could.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: He's a guy if you found like a trait that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you really like. But he hasn't had a lot of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: major league experience. But uh, maybe you could get him
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: for you know, something on the cheap. But I just
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: don't like, I just didn't find a lot of names.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I thought, yes, this satisfies the boxes for me and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the Tigers.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, third base alternatives kind of on the low end
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: of the market do not move the needle. The needle
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: for me. We saw it last year with like Geo
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: or Schella. Like I would like to think the Tigers
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: are beyond a Geo Orchella type. Addition, you know, if
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: they don't get a Bregmant and they can't trade for Arnatto,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I would hope they go straight to Hassan Kim regardless
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: of how long he may be out. I think one
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: thing that's not fully being considered in the Kim discussion
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: is that, like he's a pretty good shortstop if and
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: we're all just assuming Trey Sweeney is going to be good,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: what if Tray Sweeney doesn't hit hasng Kim if the
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Tigers sign him, could be like their shortstop next year,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and then maybe you just roll with it with Young
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and Vierling and Kim can play some third or some
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: second as well. So that's still like the alternative. I
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: like that may still cost you a little bit of
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: my me if we're just doing nothing, It's hard for
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: me to find a third base option that I'm in
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: love with. But another thing that's kind of been forgotten
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: is that right after the season, Scott Harris kind of
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: so we need right handed bat. It could be an
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: infielder or an outfielder. Speaking to Matt Vierling's versatility, the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: name that hasn't really come up, I think because he
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: plays outfield is Randall Gritchick, right handed bat, great against lefties,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: gets on base, a little bit of an older guy,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: but he has some experience and just came across somes
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: like Paul Goldsman. It might be going to the Yankees,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: so I thought that wasn't a reality. So, like, you know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: that would basically mean Matt Vierling playing a lot on
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the dirt where he is not as good as he
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: is in the outfield, but you know, would probably be
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a better boost to the offense than getting an unimproven
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: guy like in Karnassium's strand, which I don't think is like,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you know, to be clear, we're just throwing out names
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: when we say when we say that and some other guys.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Grit Chick's the name that I like. I don't think
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want veering on the dirt that much, but
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: otherwise I think it would be a solid fit. So okay,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: all right, hold on, if Goldschmith's going to New York,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and it's been reported that might make Ronado want to
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: go to New York a little bit twelve point five
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: million for Paul Goldschman' to the Yankees, John Nayman just
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: now put that out there live. Uh, that's not a
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: lot of money for gold Schmant. Does this mean Arnado
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: to the Yankees? If so, is it Red Sox Tigers
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: for Bregnant? Maybe we're getting somewhere maybe we're getting somewhere.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Could be And then you know, the Socks have been
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: like a little bit more active than they had been,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you know, the previous couple of years. And again you're
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: still trying to figure out what ownership is really wanting.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of fans are out on this
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: ownership group for how they've been.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a word on the street that one
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: theo Epstein has been encouraging Craig Breslo to be a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: little more aggressive, to not be afraid of signing big contracts.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: It makes me wonder, like Steve don't ever tell that
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: to his guys in Detroit, Like, yeah, the.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: You know, there's there's other people from other historic baseball
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: towns that if you want to share some wisdom, I mean,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that'd be.
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  Speaker 2: I mean maybe they've worked for you before.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I mean you made a meat cake or something like that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: All right, that's fun. Yeah, I mean, some some things
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: are happening.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: We're not all at the same time, but but some.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Things are happening. So uh.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And again, this discourse can be like fun and frustrating
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: at the same time because you'd like to talk about
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: something more tangible, but sometimes you get into be like, well,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: what about this, what about It's it's fine, it's it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it's still it's still a good time talking about the
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: tigers here right before Christmas.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: So and spar As they have a signer reliever that's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: been a weird market. I expect them to ruin my
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: my Christmas pto by signing leader.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: You know, if they probably won't pop on the podcast
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: for a reliever signing, but if they do, bragmant we might.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Have to figure it out.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So so there there's a there's another t so because
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: we say maybe it will happen. Now, I want to
• 36:16
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• 36:23
  Speaker 1: We got things in the works for the new year
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and the post Christmas holiday. Uh So, we appreciate everybody
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: sticking with us through this busy time of the year.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: So for Cody Stavenhagen, I'm Karen Stickley. Everybody have a
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: great holiday.