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#175 — Did Teen Wolf age well? (w/ David Blatt & Jack Varner) · Did That Age Well?

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OK, my boys, Today I am so lucky to have my friends David and
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Jack here. Welcome.
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Hi. Hi.
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Hi. How's it going?
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Going great. It's going excellently.
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We're just happy to be here with you.
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Oh. My God, I'm so happy to have you
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here with me. You guys have been traveling,
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you've been all over. You've been going to pool
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parties. You're busy, guy.
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Pool party, book club, it's the only way to do it.
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I love that, I love that. What else is on the horizon for
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you for the rest of the summer? What's going on?
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What's going on with Mortified? Mortified is moving over to the
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Federal Theater, which will be exciting.
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I've still not set foot in it, yeah, but I hope I love it.
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I I hope we all do. We we love the Oriental folks so
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much, so I have the utmost. Faith, the Oriental Theater just
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to be. Oh God.
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Wow. Yeah, the Oriental Theatre also
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called the O, which is. There's a reason people call it
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the O these days. Yeah.
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So yes. The Oriental Theatre, though, we
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love so much, yes, they've been our home since 2016.
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So it really it feels like cheating, but it's not because.
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Sure, it's an open relationship. It's an open relationship.
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And we love them for all that they brought to our lives.
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We do, right? That's right, That's right.
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So. September 26 The mortified is
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doing one of the first shows at the federal.
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So exciting. It's exciting, yeah.
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Where can people get tickets and stuff?
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They can go to get mortified.com.
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Cool. That's right.
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And we always need especially dudes, dudes since we're in
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dude. IDK.
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Yeah. So dudes, dudes, submit your
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stuff. Yeah, do it up.
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I've done it before. It's great.
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Yeah. We've got a couple dudes here
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who have done it. That's right.
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That's right. Yeah, and you're on the cusp of
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doing it one day. Yes.
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It's true you. Have my treasures?
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I was just going through more of your treasures today and you
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talk about a love rhombus which made me almost fall out of my
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chair. I love the love triangle.
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Yeah, what about a love parallelogram?
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Yeah, it could be either. It could be.
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That's right, it's kind. Of both and.
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That is, there's an illustration.
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And that's great. Absolutely.
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Love that. And that's when they knew she
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was bisexual. Love, rhombus, querying the
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definition of love and shapes. That's right.
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Yeah. I really, I learned what
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rhombuses are. And I was like, that is so cool.
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Yeah, I was really excited to that, into my personal life.
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Yeah, I'm really a moment for me.
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I was like geometry. Let's do.
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It Let's do that. That's my thing, yes.
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Absolutely So. So yeah, thank you for thank you
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for going through my treasures and taking such good care of
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them. It's a it's a sacred practice.
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Yes, I appreciate it. And dudes, especially if you
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have some treasures, some journals, some artwork, some
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lyrics. Yeah, some dirty fiction.
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We love dirty fiction. My gosh, it's like always a
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treasured moment at the show. And mortified, just in a
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nutshell, is. Mortified in a nutshell is like,
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did that age well but with your journal?
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Yeah, but it with you. With you reading your journal
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and it's a resounding no. It did not age you.
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Don't age well, is actually what happens.
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Which is what's so wonderful. So it's a chance to laugh at
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yourself and experience the power of community while
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laughing at yourself. Exactly.
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Yeah, absolutely. And you've done it a couple.
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Times. Done it a couple times.
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Under pressure, yeah. Under pressure post pandemic, he
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was reaching for the dregs of the people that could get on
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stage. And went to the bottom.
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Went to his boyfriend and said here you go.
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So I had to. It was very like exposing to
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give him all my journals, more so than even just, you know,
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being his boyfriend. But he picked out some, some
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good narrative threads that I didn't even know were there.
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Yes. And it was amazing.
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It was awesome. Yeah.
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Reading in front of a whole audience is cathartic and funny
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and hilarious and all the above. It was amazing.
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And now I'm excited for you to do it.
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Yeah, me too. Me too.
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And now whenever Jack and I get in a disagreement, I can be
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like, I know this is a long standing thing because I read
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your elementary. School girl, talk to your child.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Go back to 1995. Or 1985. 1980.
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Five this movie. 1985, the year of Teen Wolf.
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The year of Teen Wolf. The year I was born as well,
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yeah. Both came into this world 1980.
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Five. You both were born in 1985.
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No. Teen Wolf, Me and Jack.
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Teen Wolf and I were both born in 1985.
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He was. When you were you born?
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I was a very sophisticated 5 year old, so I was 1980.
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OK, great. So you had you had You of
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course, were watching Teen Wolf. Yeah, because you had
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sophisticated taste. Yes.
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Of course. Which this movie is not that.
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Yeah. One thing that always strikes me
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when I watch a movie about wolves, when I consider the
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concept of wolves, is that it's so funny that like Winnie the
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dog, your tiny little dog, my dogs are all descended from
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wolves. What the fuck?
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I. Actually, think about that a
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lot. You do whenever I'm like tiny
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dog, yes, my tiny little, our tiny little dog.
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And I'm like snuggling with her and I'm just like, you are so
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scared and you are helpless. And how did this ever come
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about? Evolution.
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It's an amazing thing. She does do a great howl though.
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She does. The wolf is in her.
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One time I woke up in the middle of the night to my dog Izzy, who
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is otherwise silent. She's like us in Assassin.
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She'll sneak up on you and with look at you with her big eyes
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and you just didn't even know that she was there.
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I woke up in the middle of the night to her howling at the moon
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from the window. When.
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Oh, it was so fun. I couldn't stop laughing.
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That's amazing. Yeah, it was amazing.
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And in every other sense, she is the farthest thing from a wolf.
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Certainly a wolf playing basketball, right.
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I like to see them try that. Yeah.
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Yeah. I.
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Would I would love to see. What?
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She doesn't transmogrify into a human, and she's not a werewolf,
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unfortunately. And yeah, even if she does
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highlight the moon, Yeah. There's still time.
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There's still time. Absolutely.
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I mean he didn't. He didn't discover he was a
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werewolf till he was a teen. Right, that's right.
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Yeah, that's. Right.
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So there's still time. Yeah.
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OK. I have a little bit of
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background on this, which is that Michael J Fox was actually
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really bad at basketball. Yeah, that's the, that's the the
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inside you could. Tell when you watch the.
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I couldn't. Tell Well, there are times when
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you could tell from the back there's someone doing things
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you're like, that's not. My, you're like, that's
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definitely not him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. I mean, they're fortunate that
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when he was, but when he was good, he was in a wolf suit.
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So much easier to have a double when you're in like a big hairy
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wolf suit, you know? This is true, it does make it.
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Easier. That was good for him.
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It's important also to remember that this was like during
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Michael J Fox's like Imperial period, cuz he had just Back to
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the Future had just come out like 6 weeks before.
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Yeah. So this was like big time
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Michael J cuz he was definitely the best thing about Teen Wolf,
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which is not saying a lot. Yeah, totally.
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He. Did a great job.
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Oh, I know that. I'm saying he did do a great
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job. Yeah, he held that.
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He held it together. Yeah, with his claws.
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With his paws. Yes, with his cute little paws.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what are you?
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What? What's your history with this
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movie? Well, it's funny because when I
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pitched it, I was like, Oh, yeah, this is like a beloved
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movie that was critically lauded.
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This was my memory. I mean, I was five years old.
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I had no sense of, like, what makes a good movie.
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I was just like. You were 5.
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Yeah, I was like, he stood on a van and surfed and he was a
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badass wolf basketball player. Like, this was a critical smash.
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Of course. Yes.
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How? Could it not be?
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How could it not be? And it was.
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So I remember it was like the epitome of cool when I was 5.
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So I went to see this in the theater when I I mean, I must
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have been in kindergarten. Yeah.
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And it really like among my friend group, it like, this was
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the coolest thing you could imagine.
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Right. So I was truly shocked because
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I'm a Rotten Tomatoes obsessive. Like whenever we're going to go
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see a movie, I Jack hates it. I look at the Rotten Tomatoes
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score and I will often pull the plug on an outing if the score
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is pretty bad. Yeah.
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So I was legit shocked to see 46%.
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Yeah, and even the popcorn meter.
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I know, really low. Really low.
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But that's what was so interesting, like my love for
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this movie. And I'm kind of a I'm a little
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bit curmudgeony when it comes to movies.
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Like you hear me say, this is stupid out loud a lot while
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watching movies yes, But I. Didn't even in the movie
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theaters, Yes, Yeah. Out loud in the theater.
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It's true. Yeah.
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But somehow, I guess because I was such a little baby when this
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came out and I had such deep love for it, that nostalgia held
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on tight. So I was not probably the best
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person to be judging this film because truly, like, every sound
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in this movie was still with me. Like every scene that happened,
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I was saying this out loud constantly while we were
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watching. I was like, I remember all of
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this so much. So yeah, nostalgia really worked
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in the movie's favor for me rewatching.
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Sure. Yeah, usually.
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It usually does work in that direction I find.
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Nostalgia. It makes 1 view a movie that is
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terrible a little better, but you had that connection to it at
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an age. It was interesting though,
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because I've, I've gone back to watch other things like Weird
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Science, which I know that you talked about recently.
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Really, I, I didn't have that nostalgic fondness, but that was
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a favorite for me back in the day.
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This time when I watched it, I was cringing all the way through
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Teen Wolf. I was like, still rooting.
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Only a couple cringe really Moments, Really.
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Yeah. There were only a couple
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cringers. I, as a baby in 1985, did not
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watch this movie in a theater. No.
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Right away, no as probably yes. I think I was three months old.
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So my introduction was like on it must have played on cable TV
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at some point in like the 90s when I was growing up.
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So I definitely didn't have like the contemporaneous, like it's
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out in the movie theater experience.
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So. But my memory of it, because
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before we watch this again, I was like, what do I remember?
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I know that I've seen it, but what do I?
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The only memory that I had was of, yeah, a person in a wolf
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costume surfing on a van. Yeah.
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That was it, Yeah. You weren't.
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You weren't clinging to the nostalgia of this movie like the
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wolf on the top of the van, like David was.
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Yes, exactly. I was not.
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So maybe I had I, I maybe would have wished for a little bit of
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nostalgia to to support you. Yeah.
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Yeah. But it was a fun rewatch,
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though. Michael Jackson is all I have.
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Michael Jackson. Oh my God.
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Michael J Fox is always good. But that's actually, this is the
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thought that I had. This was right after Michael
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Jackson did Thriller like a few years, right?
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So I think there was like a zeitgeisty werewolf moment in
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the mid 80s. You could tell that they
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couldn't afford that song, but they wanted to when they're at
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the dance. They're they do it like this.
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Yeah. But they're like doing it just
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enough that you know that that's what they're doing, but not so
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much that it could get litigious.
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Yes. You know.
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So true. Yeah, that's exactly what I
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realized while watching that scene, which is why I quickly
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Googled when did you know when the thriller out.
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So, yeah, I think that that, I mean, what if that was the seed
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of the movie because that was such a such a popular thing, you
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know, during the that time of the 80s.
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I mean the whole plot of the movie.
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I don't know if Rod Daniel has kids, but I feel like maybe his
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children were talking to him at breakfast and they said dad.
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Wouldn't it be cool if instead of the werewolf killing a bunch
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of people, the werewolf was just an amazing basketball and Rod
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Daniel was like, we're gonna, we're gonna do that.
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Now that's a PG movie. That is a family PG.
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Movie The only. Way you can do werewolf in PG
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form. Right, right, right.
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If Rod Daniel was the writer, director.
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I believe he was also the writer.
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He was definitely the director. He was like a sitcom guy, right?
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Like, not a lot of. Maybe, but he went on to produce
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other very mediocre movies that also did well in the box office.
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Like this seems to be his thing. This movie was made with
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basically nothing, right And made so much money it did, yeah,
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despite the critics being like. Right, it's.
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Not that good. There were enough 5 year olds to
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hold. It up, absolutely.
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If my figures are correct, I believe it was 4 million to make
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and it made like 80 million to the $50 which in the 80s was
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that's. A big that's.
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A lot of money. That was more than a lot of
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other popular movies at that time.
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Yeah. A lot of movies that you think
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of like, oh, like, I don't know, St.
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Almost Fire, that movie was so successful.
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And it's like, I think that's been more than that, yeah.
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Yeah, Michael J Fox. He's a treasure.
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He really is. That's one thing.
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OK, so I love Michael J Fox. And one thing that I feel is
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problematic about me is whenever I watch like a teen movie and
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I'm like, oh, that character is hot, that then I feel like, Oh,
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well, now I'm the creep because I'm 31 and Michael J Fox is
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basically a child. I'm like, oh, he was so he was
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so cute. He was so hot.
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I love. That guy hair.
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Good hair. Maze.
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Strong hairline. Yeah, I'm envious of his hair,
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Yes. The wolf or the?
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Both, really, but Michael J Fox had that great 80s swoop, you
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know. He really did.
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He really did. But it's like that's what they
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do to us when they cast like little cuties in these teen
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movies. And it's like, oh, OK, well, now
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I'm now I'm the bad guy because I think Michael J Fox in that
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teen movie is. Cute.
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That is a funny perspective. It's when that happens to me, I
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feel like I always think that person is older than me.
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Like because I was younger at the time.
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It's hard to, like, relinquish that sometimes.
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Yeah. It's like I'm, I kind of am like
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stuck in whatever age that I was when I first saw that thing, you
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know, exactly which I didn't see this till I was maybe in like
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junior high. OK, so you had seen it before
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this? I had seen it before this, but
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it had been many years since I'd seen.
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What was your like? Initial take.
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So, OK, so the recollection was, of course, the surfing on top of
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the car, mostly because my parents were like, they're gonna
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do this in this movie, but it's really dangerous and not cool,
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so don't do that. They prepared.
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You they prepared me. They were they like as you're
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watching it, they were like, don't do that, OK, Because it
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did make that look really cool and fun.
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No hand stands on the roof. No hand stands on the roof, on
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any roof, whether it's moving or stationary.
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Don't do hand stands on the roof.
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Mom. Mom.
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It's funny, watching it during that scene, I did think that I
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was like, oh, that's not safe. Yeah, no.
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And like, people die that way. Yeah.
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Yeah. Scary.
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Let's not do things. Let's not do stuff like that.
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Yeah. Just because Michael J Fox in a
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wolf suit does, it doesn't mean that we can an.
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Important lesson. An important lesson.
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But as I was watching this, I thought, okay, so it's trying to
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be a teen movie, kind of classic 80s teen movie.
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It's kind of trying to be a basketball movie and kind of
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trying to be like a supernatural movie.
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And it's not really doing that great of a job at any no.
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What's funny about the supernatural element is that,
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like, you as the viewer know that he's changing, and then
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when it is exposed to like in the middle of a basketball game
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to everyone, everyone just sort of accepts it.
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Everyone is really cool with it and there's no eventually like
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he, even though he's like looking in the mirror, he's
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like, oh, I'm freaking out when he sees his dad and his dad is
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like, hey, I'm a wolf too. It's it's like, okay, he doesn't
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really freak out or ask more questions in the way that I
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would. I would be like, well, what's
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the lore? Yeah.
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How does this happen? When did this happen?
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Dive in. Here like what is how did this
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family curse come to be right? What I just like as as an
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audience, remember, I wanted to know a lot more.
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I imagine if I was in that predicament, I would have even
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more questions. Yeah, I thought the same thing.
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Yeah. I.
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Thought also what really happened to mom then?
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Bitch, what happened to Mom? We have What happened to Mom?
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So in the movie, The mother is deceased.
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Allegedly, she's not there. She's not.
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Dad's a wolf. Where is Mom?
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It's true. We know that like.
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Gore is off screen. Yeah, which is even scarier, you
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know what I'm saying? No but honestly like they bring
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up the mom like a couple of times and they never say what
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happened to her. Yeah, and it wasn't like a
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Disney sort of like, oh, woe is me because my mom is dead.
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This propels the plot. It she was just like, not there.
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It wasn't like he was suffering in any way from it.
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Yeah, it just seemed like we couldn't afford another person
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to. Like we don't know how to
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integrate your right if dad's a werewolf.
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Yeah. What's?
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Up with mom? Yeah, totally.
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And is it just the men in their family?
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Is it not? Is was mom a werewolf?
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Did she get like, I don't know. When they do the reboot, I think
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that this will be addressed. Well, there have been multiple.
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Many reboots. Well, but I bet there's another
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one coming. There might be another there's.
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Always another Teen Wolf coming. That's another thing that's
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crazy is that this movie was not that good, but it spawned this.
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Yeah, right. Worst.
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Sequel. Yeah, another sequel, the MTV
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show. It's there was an animated show.
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There was another movie at some point.
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Yeah. Yeah, like straight to streaming
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or whatever. But.
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But yeah, I remember the MTV series being really popular
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because it was around the same time that Twilight was super
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popular. And so people were really kind
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of having a moment with teens being that.
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Was another right? That was another like, Psych,
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Yeah, werewolf moment. Yeah.
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But that moment was like, yeah, the 20 tens.
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Well, yeah, you had Twilight and you had not only just
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werewolves, but obviously vampires.
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But for whatever reason, like we went from the 80s where you had
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this moment and then 90s, what happened?
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No 90s werewolf. Yeah, where were the werewolves?
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I. Mean came back or the 2. 1000
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takes a generation. Yeah, yeah, totally.
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Skip's. Skip's a generation.
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Like the dad was hoping for the kid because he's like, why
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didn't you tell me Scott's like, dad, why didn't you tell me this
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is going to happen? He's like, well, usually Skip's
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generation. I thought maybe you wouldn't get
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it. The dad was I must say, I really
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liked the dad because he was he knew that the movie was camp and
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was acting like in that way, whereas a lot of the other I
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felt like, well, Michael Michael J Fox was great, but everyone
20:59
else like they were kind of like the dad like pushed it over the
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edge into like I'm being a funny actor and that but like deadpan.
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The dad was great. The.
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Dad the his deadpan when he like when he opens the door and he's
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just like looking like a wolf. Yeah, and his, he was a cute
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wolf. I know.
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He was a very adorable. He was adorable.
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He had the dad cut. Yeah, he.
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Had the dad. Wolf chubby cheeks.
21:21
Yeah, very innocuous. Totally.
21:23
Yeah. Looked like a wolf that you'd
21:24
want a pet. Kind of looked like, kind of
21:26
looked like a dog really. Yeah.
21:28
Kind of more of a kind of more of a domesticated dog.
21:31
Yeah. You know, that has been evolved
21:33
to look cute, you know, OK, let's talk about some of the
21:38
things that didn't age well. Is that OK if we go ahead and
21:40
do? That Oh yeah.
21:41
All right, let's talk about the fat kid.
21:43
Oh chub scene 1. Chub scene 1.
21:46
Fat shaming scene 1. Yeah, that fat kid has a great
21:48
arm. That's the first one of the
21:50
first lines, yeah. You're right, right?
21:52
And then they're like, Oh yeah, Chub.
21:54
First of all, his name's Chub, called Chub, let's say.
21:57
That yeah, let's be direct about it.
21:59
Yeah, and they're he's like eating snacks and they're like
22:02
thought you were supposed to be on a diet chub.
22:04
You know, a lot of sorry audience.
22:09
We have a little bit construction kind of sounds like
22:12
a big old fart. It's.
22:16
The ghost of Jeb. It is, yes.
22:19
And I looked up that actor. I know.
22:21
He looked familiar, Vague. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:24
Really. Not I I was like, I don't know
22:26
where I've seen him. Yeah.
22:28
What did? I don't now.
22:29
I don't even remember. It was like that insignificant.
22:31
I looked it up like a week. Ago definitely, maybe he was one
22:34
of those 80s movies actors that was in like a lot of 80s movies
22:39
because he looked vaguely familiar.
22:40
But yeah, couldn't remember specifically where he was in.
22:43
But yeah, that I, I talk about aging well or not.
22:47
Like that was my first thought because you have the first
22:49
scene, fat shaming and then the second scene is basically, well,
22:53
first thing there's a fat joke and then the second scene
22:55
there's fat shaming. Yeah, he's like at the locker
22:56
and he's pulling out his food and making him feel bad for poor
22:59
chub poor. Chub, poor chub.
23:01
I know. Seriously, it's like just let
23:03
the kid play basketball. What's and that's like also, I I
23:07
think that's so classic 80s to be like, all right, here's a
23:11
shorthand for this team sucks at basketball is like they have a
23:14
fat kid. You know what I mean?
23:16
They're sort of like, look at this group of freaks.
23:18
They can't be good at basketball, and they were.
23:20
One of them is fat. Yes, yeah.
23:22
And they what? The team name was the Beavers,
23:24
right? Yeah, they were the Beavers.
23:26
Not very scary. Not like wolves.
23:29
They weren't the wolves, I'll tell you that.
23:32
Can we talk about how Scott's best friend's name is Boof?
23:36
Love. Oh yeah, Boof Boof is a girl.
23:39
Did Boof mean what it means now? I know.
23:43
Yeah, I sure hope so. I hope so too.
23:48
That's a question. I mean, I I assumed no, I
23:51
assumed they wouldn't have named her Boof.
23:53
Maybe that's how it started. Maybe they were like.
23:56
She's the origin. Yeah, maybe.
23:59
Maybe that's what they were doing in that she.
24:00
Got wild in that closet. She did.
24:02
Not only was her name Boof, they made Michael J Fox say boof so
24:06
many times. Every line that he delivered to
24:08
her, he had to end it with Boof. Yeah.
24:11
It was so jarring every time. I loved it.
24:14
And why was she hanging out with Scott's dad without him?
24:18
They were playing. They were.
24:19
Literally just playing basketball.
24:20
It's not like she was waiting for Scott to come home.
24:22
She's like, Oh yeah, we're just playing a game of pick up.
24:25
Like I came over to hang out with your dad.
24:29
That's true. Why is that?
24:30
That's. True, I read that there was a
24:33
writers Guild strike during the filming of this movie and that
24:37
they had to like do some stuff on the fly, so I feel like that
24:41
is probably a prime example. That would be like, we're just
24:44
gonna make them like basketball is a is an element of the plot.
24:48
Let's just throw these two characters together and make
24:50
them play basketball. But she wanted, she wanted him
24:53
to walk her home. Yeah.
24:54
And to have a serious talk about the future.
24:56
Boof Boof was like what? It was like an unrequited love
24:59
thing, right? Cuz she.
25:01
But she was pretty casual about that.
25:03
Unrequited love, yeah. Totally.
25:05
It was like she was very open about it.
25:07
And he was kind of like, yeah, whatever.
25:10
But he wasn't like, he wasn't like, oh, you're just my friend,
25:14
I don't wanna kiss you. It was just like, yeah, I'll
25:16
kiss you. But I like that little girl
25:18
more. Yeah, yeah.
25:19
Yeah, and she was kind of like, oh shucks.
25:22
Oh well, right. Very well meaning boof.
25:26
Yeah. Oh, good old boof.
25:27
Boof. I like nickname comes around.
25:31
Yeah. Yeah.
25:34
I wonder what it was a nickname for.
25:36
I just want I will log this I. You right, right too.
25:39
Maybe it maybe it was a given name, we don't know.
25:42
We font short for Buffon. I don't know.
25:47
She wasn't really delivering if that was, yeah.
25:51
Yeah. Great, Bob, Great.
25:53
Bob. She had a good 80s Bob.
25:54
She did. She had a good Bob.
25:56
Good Bob, the other girl, the antagonist.
26:01
Really. The like Pamela, Pamela.
26:04
Pamela. Pamela, Pamela.
26:07
Plantation. Is that a?
26:08
Plantation. Yeah, girl, that was crazy.
26:11
The school play is some somehow like there's some Confederate
26:16
elements too. It's an antebellum it yeah, it
26:19
feels a little a little racist. Y.
26:23
It does the there's also, I only saw one other black student and
26:27
it was when Scott's best friend was like, hey, I'm, I'm raising
26:31
some cash for our school's Afro American Fest.
26:34
Yes, because he's trying to scam everybody.
26:37
I was like, all right, well, there was that.
26:39
There was that one, there was actually one other that because
26:42
there was a very short scene where they were walking through
26:44
the hallway and someone was, I don't know if it was Styles.
26:47
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Scott There was dancing.
26:49
He goes up just to a kid, he break dances and then of course,
26:53
of course when he moves out of my using that case.
26:58
The only black student is the 1. He is the.
27:00
One you guys talk to, he's like, oh hello my dude, let me do
27:05
some. Let me greet you.
27:08
And granted, let's just remind everyone, this is a basketball
27:12
movie, right? And there was not one.
27:14
There may have been. Was there one single black, one
27:17
black player on the team? Maybe.
27:19
I only saw, not. On their team, I don't, yeah.
27:21
I only see one behind I only there was maybe.
27:26
One, but you know what's funny is that Bill Simmons, he said
27:30
that he really liked this movie because he felt like it captured
27:33
the impact of like 1 superstar player, kind of like
27:37
monopolizing the team and like how that impacts the team when
27:40
you have like one really good player.
27:42
He's, he compared it to like Kobe Bryant.
27:44
He was like, it's sort of the the evolution that you go
27:48
through as a really good player if you're a standout player,
27:50
like learning to play with your team and like be a good team
27:54
player. And I thought that's really
27:56
interesting that you got that from this, but.
27:59
Right, right, right, I can. Kind of see it, sure.
28:02
Basketball is a sport that lends itself to that as well, more
28:05
than I think other sports like the superstar thing.
28:07
So I could see that. I mean, I do like the element
28:10
having been into like I wasn't playing the sports in high
28:13
school and college, but I was a fan.
28:15
Yeah, there is the element of school pride.
28:18
And you know, when you go, when you have this ragtag bunch and
28:21
then which is definitely like a movie trope, but then they they
28:25
get it's not like this team ended up winning any
28:27
championships or anything. We didn't really go that far,
28:30
did they? Even they.
28:31
Won the game, They won the. It's kind of vaguely described.
28:35
As like the championship it is the.
28:36
OK, that's funny. I didn't even register that.
28:39
I thought it was like, we finally won one, guys.
28:41
Yeah, but yeah, I like that. The idea about sports, team
28:47
sports, just lifting us all up. It's a good theme.
28:49
Yeah, totally. The fact that he played as
28:51
himself, not as the. Moment.
28:54
Big moment for him, big growth moment.
28:57
Humility in sport, we love to see that we do.
29:01
Yeah. But but it is so funny because
29:04
canonically I don't see really any connection between being a
29:09
werewolf and playing good basketball.
29:10
And that is why I agree with you that it makes sense that this
29:15
movie came about from like a child sitting at a breakfast
29:18
table saying wouldn't it be cool if werewolves played basketball
29:21
it. Made so much sense to me as a
29:23
kid. Yeah, totally.
29:24
You're like, well, of course that's why he's good at
29:27
basketball. He's a werewolf.
29:29
Right, Yeah, yeah, cuz really, if you think about it, being a
29:32
werewolf would make you. I think it would make the sport
29:35
harder because you have like talents that you have to deal
29:38
with with them. All like, you wouldn't just
29:40
check me. I mean, let's think about what
29:42
dogs are good at. Oftentimes running fast.
29:45
But like a movie about track and field, No offense to runners.
29:49
Out there. Boring.
29:50
Yeah, yeah, he could like, he could be like a like a hurdle
29:55
sprinter, but it's like that's, you know, what's the team
29:58
element in that? It has to be a team sport and I
30:02
don't know any other team sports that dogs or wolves famously
30:07
play so. Well, there was Airbud in the
30:09
90s, lest we forget, and that was a dog that played
30:12
basketball. That's so true.
30:13
And that's the only thing I remember.
30:15
Of that blog coming back to B Ball.
30:16
Yeah, coming back to B ball, so. Actually, I guess you're right.
30:19
He pooped it a lot with his nose, so it was a different
30:22
technique than totally than the Michael J Fox approach.
30:25
Yeah. Boops and boops I was.
30:27
Just going to say boop. Very close to boop.
30:34
Well, I think it's funny that yeah, it was about basketball
30:37
and there was no like, there was no ripping of flesh.
30:40
There was no violence, there was no traditional.
30:43
What about the closet scene? The closet.
30:45
This is one part. To me that.
30:46
Aged pretty bad, so boof. Boof.
30:52
So they're playing, they're at a party.
30:55
First of all, the fact that Scott, this dweeb was invited to
30:59
a party, surprising to me, but whatever.
31:02
Like that's the whole thing is that they're like he's so
31:04
average, he's so forgettable. Nobody knows him, but somehow he
31:07
gets an invite to this like exclusive party where people are
31:11
playing like kissing games and whatever.
31:13
So he and boof, they go into the closet for two minutes of
31:20
whatever they want to do, and they're like, yeah, OK, like, so
31:24
let's fool around. And then he turns into a wolf
31:27
and he like, scratches her back. And that was like, I didn't like
31:33
that because she was like, Ouch, that hurts, like, what are you
31:36
doing? And then when she walked away,
31:38
there was like a huge gas in her back.
31:41
That's right. That was so.
31:43
Yeah, it was like just a little bit of casual, like, like a
31:47
metaphor for sexual assault. Like, I don't, I don't.
31:49
It's never clear. Like when he turns into a wolf,
31:51
sometimes it's like I guess he just got excited in the closet
31:55
and that's why he changed into a wolf.
31:57
Because sometimes it's like, I guess it's at the height of an
32:01
emotional state is when he is, when he changes.
32:03
But he can also make it happen. It's not just against his will.
32:07
Yeah. Yeah, but it but it is funny
32:09
that none of the opposing basketball team ever got clawed.
32:13
It was just Booth. Just.
32:15
Booth only booth. Yeah, yeah.
32:17
Or that he didn't like, pop a hole in the basketball, you
32:20
know? Yeah.
32:22
Because his claws were like wolves.
32:25
You know. They were.
32:26
They weren't just like a regular dog.
32:28
They were, they were. Very.
32:29
Sometimes I forgot. Sometimes I forgot that he was a
32:32
wolf and not just a little diggity dog.
32:34
You know what I mean? A little cute little.
32:37
A little cute little. I just want to pet him.
32:38
Yeah, totally. Well, Mikey.
32:40
What was interesting was how quickly Boof bounced back from
32:44
that assault in the closet. Yeah, she was.
32:47
She was ready to hang again next scene.
32:49
Absolutely no problems, nothing to sort through.
32:52
No. No questions.
32:53
How did this happen to you? What's the lore?
32:56
Yeah. Are you OK?
32:57
Am I OK? No, she was just like, so I
32:59
guess you're a wolf. And Pamela.
33:02
Pamela is hot for the wolf. Oh, yeah, she says.
33:05
I want to fuck you as a wolf, not as a human man.
33:10
Yeah. Human boy?
33:12
No. Teen Wolf man.
33:13
We need you to be an animal. Does that age bad or is it just
33:20
so like kind of classic like? Yeah, like the popular girl
33:25
needs her. Yeah.
33:27
She can only. Well, and she can only associate
33:30
with those at, you know, her level.
33:32
And once he became the werewolf, he was, like, good at
33:35
everything. And he was like a basketball
33:37
star. Popular.
33:39
Yeah. I feel like that's a that's a
33:41
trophy thing that does not age well.
33:43
Like, if this was made now, you would never have.
33:46
I don't think that. I mean, there are way more
33:48
things that are worse about that don't age well.
33:50
But yeah, it would probably be some story where, yeah, the nerd
33:54
wins out and it's not with the popular girl, it's probably with
33:58
Boof or. One down, yeah.
34:01
Well, yeah. Well, yeah, isn't it?
34:04
Yeah, they're kissing. In the last.
34:05
I watched this movie 5 days ago. You think I'd remember more well
34:08
so Booth, but I thought there wasn't a clear reminder.
34:13
They're smooching in that last scene, yeah.
34:15
That's true. It seems to me like they're
34:17
probably getting together, but they like they were sort of
34:23
together before. It's like they weren't, they
34:26
were always sort of a thing, you know?
34:28
Like it was, it was clear to me, like they've hooked up before,
34:32
you know what I'm saying? Like before they even got into
34:34
that closet. I'm like, this is not the first
34:36
time they've done this. Yeah.
34:37
I don't know if we were supposed to believe that, but that to me.
34:41
Oh, I get. Yeah.
34:42
It wasn't like they were totally friend zoned.
34:44
You're right, they didn't. Yeah, there was an openness.
34:47
But she was very cash about it, which like, honestly, that's
34:51
great. Very progressive.
34:52
Very progressive. Because I would.
34:54
I would think in most teen movies of this time, the trope
34:58
would be that she'd be like, I'm just pining after this boy who
35:03
doesn't doesn't even know that I'm pretty because I'm not
35:08
Pamela. Pamela.
35:09
Of course, her name is Pamela. Pamela hot Pamela.
35:15
And then she's like, oh, yeah, that guy is my boyfriend.
35:19
Like, after she had already. So they presumably have sex, the
35:25
wolf and Pamela. That's right.
35:28
And then she's like, oh, yeah. But I he is.
35:29
That guy is my boyfriend. Yeah.
35:32
That was a surprise. That was a surprise to him and a
35:34
surprise to me as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:38
And the boyfriend seemed kind of like, you know, when later he
35:41
was like, yeah, get away from my girlfriend.
35:43
But he wasn't like you, like my girlfriend cheated on me with
35:47
you. It was none of that.
35:49
I think that, like maybe that maybe that wasn't really a
35:52
concept in this movie's universe, the idea of cheating
35:57
on once. Doesn't count if it's a wolf.
36:00
Does it count if it's a wolf? It was funny that they they had
36:05
that. Like from the distance he was
36:07
howling like when it was like the camera cut away from them
36:11
waking up and then he was just like.
36:13
That was like the orgasm moment. What's the hell?
36:15
Yeah, that was that. Was pretty.
36:17
Good. Maybe it's all maybe the whole
36:18
movie is just an allegory for like polyamory, you know, every
36:23
because all of those relationships are kind of a
36:25
little fluid in that like kind of grey and not like rigid like
36:28
a lot of 80s movies that you know, had those like archetypes.
36:33
I could really see his bestie being like kind of the leader of
36:38
a of a toxic polycool, you know? What I'm saying Styles, Styles,
36:42
yes, He has the charisma for it, yeah.
36:44
Right, he just. Yeah, he's got some pimp vibes.
36:47
Definitely because he's leaning zealin.
36:50
Oh always, he's got some style and the merch.
36:53
The merch that merch. Is gonna capitalize.
36:55
Oh yeah, yeah. Honestly, that merch was sick.
36:58
There was a, there was a, a shirt that he was wearing at
37:01
some point that I was like, I would buy that shirt.
37:02
A Dick, no shirt. No, it said Teen Wolf.
37:04
Oh yeah. But it was like stylized in this
37:07
way. That was very cool.
37:08
I was. Impressed.
37:09
The one that was like kind of like a light lavender color with
37:12
like kind of just the outline of the the fur.
37:15
Yeah, sick. It was great.
37:17
Yeah, it was really cool. It was ahead of its time.
37:19
It really was the merch ahead of its time.
37:23
OK. Can we talk about the the
37:25
Efsler? Oh yes.
37:28
OK. The moment in the movie where he
37:32
comes out, which there's also me as a gay person watching this,
37:35
I'm like, OK, there's that element of the allegory of
37:40
queer. Yeah, totally.
37:41
You have the secret inside. And, like, you don't know, like,
37:43
what's happening? I'm having these feelings.
37:45
And his dad doesn't tell him for a while.
37:47
So he's for a while struggling with it before his dad tells
37:50
him, oh, by the way, you're a werewolf.
37:52
Totally. So he's having a struggle with
37:54
on his own. Yeah.
37:56
So I did have that thought. But the moment.
37:59
Do you remember the line when he.
38:01
So Styles is talking to Scott, who's Michael J Fox?
38:05
And then it's like clear that Scott has something to say.
38:09
And then Styles says. Styles says If you tell me
38:14
you're a fag, I don't think I can take it.
38:16
Yes, and then? Which I kind of think, honestly,
38:20
I think he could. I think they should kiss.
38:24
Let's let's do that. I think he.
38:26
I think that he would like to kiss.
38:28
Yeah, I'll just say that Styles probably.
38:31
I feel like he'd be open to it. He'd be open to it.
38:33
He's like, I'd try anything once.
38:35
Yeah, that seems to me. That's just me.
38:37
I get those vibes as well. I get those vibes as well.
38:39
For the reboot. For the for the next reboot,
38:42
yes, yeah. I like the idea of a polycule
38:45
being involved though for sure, and styles being bad of it.
38:48
He's like, he's like made himself the leader.
38:50
And that's kind of actually the dynamic of, you know, it's not
38:53
that a werewolf is good at basketball and that's why the
38:56
team isn't playing well together.
38:58
It's because Styles is the, you know, the leader of the
39:02
polycule, and he's not playing well with others.
39:04
And that's. The team that we're rooting to
39:06
really get get it together, yes, yeah, yeah.
39:09
I cosigned this. Yeah, I love this.
39:11
Yeah, I love this. But.
39:14
But it was like, I I also had that thought too in the
39:17
beginning of like, oh, is this sort of a, is this a queer
39:21
story? He's got the secret that he's
39:23
hiding. He has the, there's like these
39:25
little tells that he's trying to hide, but he's also like, you
39:29
know, he's at that age where he is sort of discovering his
39:33
sexuality. It is sort of like, it kind of
39:37
shows up like puberty too, but then he's like, I am a werewolf.
39:43
My dad told me I am, but now everyone's cool with it.
39:47
Like when he's sort of like came out and everyone was just like,
39:50
hell yeah, dude, that's awesome. I was like, that's not what this
39:53
is, right? It wouldn't it be great, but.
39:57
No, that's so true. Yeah, I had that same thing.
39:59
Because when he again, when he does like finally turn into a
40:02
werewolf and I think only his close friends know maybe.
40:05
And then everyone finds out of the basketball game.
40:07
Yeah, there is everyone's just totally accepting of it.
40:09
And it's like, oh, that's. But you're right, like if it was
40:13
sort of queer coded than that it would have gone very different.
40:16
Like there'd be people in the in the crowd, like, you know,
40:18
talking to their friends. And yeah, they'd be like.
40:21
You're a clutching their pearls. Yeah, you're a freak.
40:24
Such an 80s thing. Well, if he'd been a shitty ball
40:26
player, it would have gone that way, yeah.
40:28
That's so true. Get out of here, freak.
40:32
The free throw goes a long way. Yeah, it really does.
40:36
Basketball, that's social currency really went a long way.
40:39
It's true. Incredible.
40:41
Like it truly. He walks into, he walks into
40:45
prom and everyone stops. Everyone's like.
40:48
He's the kid the. Wolf's here at the dance.
40:50
The wolf is here. The wolf has arrived.
40:52
Yeah. Does he have a different name as
40:54
the wolf or Weezy still? Just the wolf.
40:56
Just the. Wolf Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:59
They didn't call him Scott when he was in wolf form.
41:03
They called him the Wolf. There was like the way that they
41:05
differentiated. It was like, there's Scott and
41:08
the Wolf, not Scott as Wolf. So I thought that was kind of
41:12
interesting too, that it was like this identity of that
41:14
wasn't really him, but he does still learn to, like, hone this
41:19
thing that he once felt shame about or, like, made him feel
41:23
like a freak or he didn't know what was going on and then,
41:26
like, you know, uses it to his advantage.
41:29
But yeah, it's still like there's this distinction.
41:34
Yeah, it does give him, I think his him in wolf form does I feel
41:38
like enable him to to to gain some confidence that he's able
41:41
to use in his human form. Yes, definitely.
41:44
Which we see at the very end when he learns how to play
41:48
basketball. Not in his human form.
41:50
In his human form, which here's the thing, I don't get how he
41:55
did that. I don't get how they won because
41:57
he didn't play well before, so why would we believe that now he
42:05
knows how to play as a team player.
42:08
Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
42:09
I thought the same thing. I'm like, OK, how did we earn
42:12
this turn? You know, the whole plot is that
42:16
you're a great basketball player because the wolf makes you like
42:18
super powerful or whatever, right?
42:20
But now. Muscle memory.
42:23
Is that what it is I? Think so?
42:25
Wow, it's got to be. So like he still retains the
42:28
muscle memory from when he was a wolf?
42:30
Maybe he just like, really, I mean, it seemed to me watching
42:33
it, he was just like, maybe he was just never good at focusing
42:37
before. He was like, all right, I got to
42:38
do this. You know, everything is riding
42:40
on me. The pressure was there.
42:41
Right. And he got the moment and that's
42:43
how he snapped into action. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:46
That could be. I don't know.
42:49
We never said the line though, that he actually, when he does,
42:52
he says his friend says if you're going to tell me a fag, I
42:55
don't think I can handle it. And then the line that's that
42:58
Scott says is this is him coming out in the movie.
43:02
He says I'm not a fag, I'm a werewolf.
43:06
I love that. And I, and I stand by it.
43:09
I wish I would have said that to my parents when I came out.
43:11
I wish you had. Time and I like to have sex with
43:16
other werewolves, right? Right.
43:20
I think that we should, unless it already exists and I don't
43:23
know about it, I think that we should introduce werewolf to the
43:25
Canon of like, of like gay culture.
43:29
Like there's otters, there's bears, there's werewolves.
43:32
You know what I mean, 'cause it's sort of like, I don't think
43:34
that I don't think that bear really like, captures it because
43:38
werewolf is, I mean, even though Michael J Fox's werewolf was
43:43
kind of more of a Yeti sort of bear.
43:45
Sort of dog. Not so much he.
43:47
Wasn't even he wasn't hot as a wolf, I.
43:52
Know even in that, even in that prom suit, I I felt the tingle.
43:56
I did. Not as a kid.
43:58
I even felt the tingle. Really, I did not that.
44:01
Was a hot suit his white. Suit OK you felt a tingle based
44:05
on the fashion I guess is what and not the because his actual
44:09
look like he's got kind of I don't know it's it's not a sex.
44:13
They didn't take a sexy. It was not meant to be sexy.
44:18
I, I don't think it's wolf, but nowadays, obviously it would
44:20
have to be sexy if they made it again.
44:21
But yeah, at the time there was no, I don't know, I didn't feel
44:24
like it was a sexy wolf and maybe I wanted it to be a.
44:27
Sex further iterations of Teen wolf, like the MTV one and like
44:31
more recent depictions of the wolf are scarier.
44:36
They're more like wolf, Wolf, you know, and not just like, you
44:40
know, kind of a Yeti. Yeah, definitely a Yeti wolf.
44:44
Yeah. Yeah, not there is.
44:47
By the way, in gay culture there does exist a wolf.
44:49
There is, yeah. How do I not know?
44:52
This is it. Like I can't, yeah.
44:54
You're talking about. Gays, but I'm pretty sure a wolf
44:56
is a sexually aggressive like hairy guy.
44:58
OK, it's like not chubby like a bear, but I some some.
45:02
I hope someone doesn't come for me, but I'm pretty sure that's a
45:04
little. Wolf, we're gonna find.
45:05
Out we're gonna we're gonna have to find out.
45:07
Yeah. But there I but to my knowledge
45:09
there doesn't exist. A werewolf.
45:10
A werewolf. So like that.
45:12
Distinction. Yeah.
45:13
We can. What's gonna make it?
45:15
Insomnia probably, you know, yeah, really sensitive to moon
45:20
cycles, you know, I feel like a. Gay werewolf and a gay vampire
45:25
could probably do really well together because they both have
45:27
to hang out at night. Yeah, totally, for the most
45:30
part. Yeah, get those nocturnals
45:31
together. Totally, because you know what
45:33
everyone loves like an enemies to lovers story and it's like
45:37
vampires and wolves, you know, sometimes they they butt heads,
45:41
but I think that they really have more in common than they do
45:45
different It's. It's like a classic Romeo and
45:47
Juliet. Exactly.
45:48
They're like they they come together across party lines and
45:52
who knows what's possible? It's all about love at the end
45:54
of the day. At the end of the day.
45:56
And then they both die by their own hands, but that's a
45:58
different story. But.
45:59
That's a different story. Yeah.
46:02
But yeah. OK.
46:03
So wolves exist in gay culture. Pretty sure.
46:07
Allegedly. Allegedly.
46:09
We'll Fact Check later. And werewolves are simply an
46:13
adaptation of that where they are insomniacs.
46:18
Yeah. You know, Yeah.
46:20
And maybe just like a little bit like maybe it's like a wolf, but
46:24
like a little extra, you know, there's like a little elevated.
46:26
More vocals maybe? Yeah, more hair you.
46:29
Know a little more hair, Yeah. Or a lot more hair A.
46:31
Lot more hair. Yeah, yeah.
46:33
Some facial hair, some added facial hair.
46:35
You got to put the hair on the cheeks to really make it aware.
46:37
Of yeah, the the cheeks. On the forehead.
46:40
And the forehead. Yes, totally.
46:42
Totally. Yeah, I did.
46:45
OK. You know who I loved, though,
46:46
was the coach. The coach was such an underrated
46:49
character. Yeah, he was so funny.
46:51
He said one of my favorite lines, which is never get less
46:54
than 12 hours of sleep, never play cards with a guy who has
46:57
the first name of a city, and never go anywhere near a woman
46:59
with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.
47:02
They said pearls wisdom. Worlds to live, worlds to live
47:06
by. I loved that that.
47:07
Never, never get less than 12 hours of sleep.
47:10
It's that line was just they kept going like there was no and
47:14
I just loved it because it wasn't even like played for
47:16
laughs, but I it was almost a moment where I was like, oh
47:19
wait, I had to like think about it again.
47:20
I was like, that is hilarious advice and advice.
47:23
I wish I could. Don't we all?
47:25
Don't we all? Wish we could live by, you know.
47:27
Right. Yeah, he was funny.
47:29
You could tell he was like, he he's not a comic that I
47:31
recognize, but he could tell he was like, probably a comic of
47:34
that era. Yeah, I don't remember the name
47:37
of the actor, but yeah, he was very funny.
47:39
That was a that was a role that was like clearly a comedic role
47:42
as well, which I enjoyed. Yeah, totally.
47:44
And I think, sorry, go ahead, go.
47:46
Ahead, I think maybe also a writer's strike moment.
47:48
Yeah, totally. He just made it up and they were
47:50
like good enough. Yeah, Yeah.
47:53
It did feel like he, similarly to the dad character, I think
47:57
that he kind of, he kind of understood that this was camp.
48:01
He kind of played at his camp. He was not totally like giving
48:05
it his earnest, you know, acting chops.
48:09
This is sort. Of a.
48:10
It's a sort of a lazy. Lazy on purpose.
48:13
On purpose. I mean, when, when, when Scott
48:17
comes in and like he's building up and he's trying.
48:20
He's about to tell him that he's a werewolf.
48:21
You know, I love that The coach was like, OK, how long is this
48:25
gonna take? All right.
48:26
And then he could tell he's so upset and this is his player.
48:30
But instead of being like, let's sit down, let's talk about this.
48:32
He's like, all right, I gotta get to some admin work.
48:34
So can this be set up here? And he's like having a buffet
48:38
and his yeah. Right, it was constantly eating.
48:40
Classic 80s adult where they're like, you can talk to me about
48:44
anything, but it has to take less than two minutes because I
48:47
have work to do. Yes.
48:50
They're like, as long as you're not gay and it's not going to
48:53
take more than two minutes, then, you know, moving along.
48:56
This can't be too emotionally wrenching.
48:58
Absolutely. But of course, talk to me about
49:00
anything. You know, you can always come to
49:02
me, but as long as it's convenient.
49:05
Yeah, he was clearly such. He was just a bad coach, which
49:08
was, you know, there's a reason why the team was bad.
49:10
But at least that was a funny element to it.
49:12
Totally like, you know, at least the game will be over like that
49:16
type of thing when he's like, yeah, here, here's my my word of
49:20
advice is it'll be over eventually.
49:24
And you know, sometimes, sometimes I just gotta respect
49:27
that. Yeah, sometimes you just gotta
49:32
exist through the moment and just know that this is really
49:35
bad. But it will be over soon, yeah.
49:38
Which is kind of, one could say, an experience watching watching.
49:43
The movie a guy. Very meta film, yes.
49:46
But here's The thing is that I didn't have a horrible time
49:48
watching it, even though the whole time I was feeling like,
49:50
OK, yeah, this is a bad movie. I wasn't like Oh my God, I can't
49:54
wait for this to be over it. Was like.
49:57
Painful. It wasn't painful like I was
49:59
having a It was fine it. Was a romp.
50:01
Yeah, Beach Boys. Good Beach Boys can we talk
50:04
about the music beyond The Beach Boys queue, which I loved the
50:08
actual like soundtrack music was classic synth 80s just I mean I
50:13
guess it's kind of back now it's.
50:15
Super bad, but. Really dates the movie like so
50:18
like almost like like there were some like some synth like string
50:23
cues that were almost sitcom me. Yeah, you know, the placement of
50:27
them. But yeah, very 80s and it
50:28
definitely dated the movie. But I guess it is sort of like
50:31
back now the synthesizer. Totally, Yeah.
50:35
Yeah, yeah. I love The Beach Boys music,
50:37
though. That was good.
50:38
Is that what they were playing when he was surfing?
50:39
Right. Yeah, Surfing USA.
50:41
Surfing USA. Yeah, it's a good one.
50:44
That's a. Bop We definitely had a sunroof
50:47
in our car growing up and just letting us poke our heads out of
50:52
the sunroof. As kids, we called it surfing
50:55
because that was going to be so cute.
50:57
Adjacent to Teen Wall. Yeah, it was a good, good day if
51:01
our parents let us surf. In the car.
51:03
That is so cute. I love that.
51:05
I feel like even though objectively that is unsafe, that
51:08
is the thing that I would do and let a child do in my car.
51:13
Just a head poking out. Head poking out of the sun.
51:16
Right, right, right. Don't watch 6 feet under.
51:17
Did you ever watch 6 feet under? It always starts with the death.
51:20
That's as far as I'm gonna go. There was a tragic incident in a
51:23
limo with some drunk people as far as I'm gonna go, but it's
51:27
like. I know where it's.
51:28
Going yes, well, it's like when you watch it was a final
51:30
destination and then you're behind a log truck and you're
51:32
like, OK. Yeah, totally.
51:34
You're like, I can't. Not gonna risk, not gonna risk
51:36
it. I learned my.
51:36
Lesson have you guys? Seen the most recent Final
51:39
Destination? No, we did not watch.
51:41
It I haven't watched it either, but I really want to and I
51:43
really and I can't find anyone who wants to watch.
51:45
It oh, I heard like that it what I think I heard mixed reviews,
51:48
which is like better than I would.
51:49
Which is, which is honestly for Final Destination.
51:52
That's a good review. It's.
51:53
The best you can ask for, really.
51:54
Absolutely, yeah. I think you've got your
51:56
sidekick. All right, great.
51:57
I would watch it with you. Yes.
51:58
Hell yeah. I mean, that movie I Yeah, that
52:02
that's like, like everyone that was around maybe our age in the
52:05
90s scarred me for life. Of course.
52:07
Destination. Yeah.
52:08
Teen Wolf, not so much. But I.
52:10
Didn't see it. Yeah, well, really, you're a
52:12
little older than us, it's true. Maybe you were.
52:14
Beyond an old man, yeah. When it came out.
52:17
Yeah, that's the one with the tanning booth too, right?
52:19
Yeah. Don't get into it, Yeah.
52:22
Yeah. But also, don't you know skin
52:25
cancer as. Well, I mean, yeah, it really
52:27
it's an allegory for skin cancer.
52:28
It's just before we even knew it.
52:31
Yeah. Have you reviewed Final
52:33
Destination? With No, never done.
52:34
It could be fun. Yeah, it could be fun.
52:37
OK, what else do you guys want to talk about?
52:38
What else haven't we covered? Oh geez, what else?
52:42
What else? We got boof, we got styles, we
52:44
got Scott Jub, Jub, coach, dad, the dad.
52:50
The dad was my favorite. Part the The principal.
52:52
What's that guy's name? That actor.
52:54
Right. Yeah, he's.
52:55
In other stuff, he's he's a comedic actor, but he, I don't
53:00
know, he wasn't really doing it for me in this movie.
53:02
But it was funny when Scott's dad went and stood up to him
53:05
because the principal was like, you're gonna be kicked out of
53:08
the school. And then the dad goes up to him
53:12
and is like, don't do that. And then he growls at him.
53:15
That's right. Oh, because.
53:17
They had because they had. They had some beef from the
53:19
beef. Yeah, so a girl liked that.
53:22
Yeah, well, and it was the beef from the past was that the dad,
53:24
when they were younger, he had turned into a werewolf and then,
53:28
like, beat up the guy, Right. They ended up becoming the
53:30
assistant principal later, Yeah. I loved that he was the vice
53:33
principal. The vice.
53:35
Principal. He was the vice.
53:36
They had to kind of knock. Him down.
53:39
You never met the actual principal, You know, we never
53:42
met the the head honcho. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:44
Yeah. That was also a classic 80s I
53:47
think, you know, teen movie thing was like the the grumpy
53:50
ornery. And then he's like always in the
53:52
bathroom. Yeah.
53:54
Yeah, that is weird. There was, I guess there was a
53:56
graffiti incident, right? But you seem to always be in the
54:01
bathroom. Yeah.
54:05
Very odd. Yeah, that is weird.
54:07
Why are you always hanging on the bathroom, dude?
54:08
Yeah, this. Is weird vice principals job,
54:10
yeah. Keep an eye on everything and
54:14
every nook and cranny. OK, what else?
54:16
Is there anything else that we didn't discuss today We've.
54:18
Done. We've done a really deep dive.
54:20
We have in a movie. Nearly as long as the film.
54:23
It was like one hour 25. Minutes.
54:24
It was just, it was a. Lickety, you know what?
54:26
And I liked that about. It I love.
54:28
That we love it. We love a short movie.
54:30
An hour and a half is such a sweet spot for a movie.
54:32
It's. It's like I want to be left
54:35
wanting more. Sure.
54:37
I don't want to walk out of a movie saying God that took so
54:40
long. OK, I went to here's what I
54:43
here's why long movies are bad is because the other day I went
54:50
to this event that I thought was going to be two hours talks.
54:54
Oh gosh, it was 4 hours long. Oh, wow.
54:57
And I walked out and I said, God, I feel like I just walked
55:00
out of Oppenheimer. That if if you say I oh God, I
55:07
feel like I just walked out of and then fill in the blank
55:10
movie. That's not good.
55:12
That's not good. I wanna, I wanna feel like I
55:15
just if I leave a basketball game and I go, man, I feel like
55:18
I just walked out of Teen Wolf. That means that was
55:21
entertaining, quick, easy to watch, not that deep.
55:25
Yeah, it's true. And people were, you know,
55:29
Dunkin basketball. And not really.
55:31
About basketball. Guy was, you know, just
55:34
absolutely sinking those shots. And also, it wasn't really about
55:39
basketball. Yeah, yeah, about it.
55:42
Wasn't about good basketball. You.
55:43
Know right? Exactly.
55:45
Exactly. Oh, that's an interesting take.
55:47
Yeah, I like that. I would love to walk out of a
55:49
basketball game and think that's like, that was like Teen Wolf.
55:53
Yeah, that would be a good thing.
55:55
You're right. Yeah.
55:56
I mean, I think longer movies can work.
55:58
I did like Oppenheimer more than I think David did.
56:01
But yeah, it's like it's about expectations, too.
56:04
You went into that party thinking it was going to be two
56:07
hours exactly. And that's what you're
56:08
expecting. And then it wasn't.
56:09
So it's like when we watched the Brutalists and we sat down.
56:12
We're like, OK, oh, God. All right, we know we got a
56:14
strap in. But they had an intermission
56:16
they. Had.
56:18
The intermission, which was not only perfect for snack break,
56:23
potty break, all of that, a little room to breathe, but it
56:26
was like 2 distinct acts as well.
56:29
And that is the perfect way to do a long movie.
56:31
All watch a long movie if it's a 2 parter and there's an
56:34
intermission. Sure.
56:36
I thought it worked like plot wise and it worked for my
56:40
lifestyle which is I need to be able to get up and walk around.
56:43
Yeah, yeah. It's like I will spend 6 hours
56:46
watching a premiere drama, of course, but a three hour movie?
56:50
Nope. No, but there is something about
56:52
the break and and you like you said in the brutal specifically
56:55
there was a break but there was also the tone shift and it was
56:57
like a whole different narrative element.
57:00
Totally. Yeah.
57:00
Whereas if you're sitting down, just slogging through an epic
57:04
movie. Oh my gosh, The other day I went
57:07
to the Grateful Dead movie. It was playing at Alamo
57:10
Drafthouse and they had built into the movie an intermission.
57:16
But when they played the movie at the theater, they like blew
57:19
through the intermission. And that was tough for me
57:22
because I'm like, not a huge Grateful Dead fan.
57:25
I'm not anti, but I went with my friend who's really into it
57:28
because I was like, I want to see your culture, right?
57:33
I may not agree with your life. Lifestyle.
57:35
Choice, but I just want to go and.
57:36
But I just want to be a part of it.
57:38
I want to feel a part of it. I want to explore, I want to be
57:40
open minded. So I went and, and I was like,
57:43
Oh my God, an intermission. Thank God.
57:46
I can like get up, go to the bathroom, like walk around.
57:49
This is, you know, we've been listening to the same song for
57:51
like 45 minutes. And then they just like kept on
57:55
going. But then she, but then they
57:57
started this one song and she goes, they're going to be
57:59
playing this one for like 30 minutes.
58:00
You could, this is a good time for you to like go and get up
58:02
and go to the bathroom. I was like, God bless.
58:04
That's you need, yeah, you need someone on the inside.
58:08
If there's actually there's this website that where you can go
58:12
where they have time stamps of when you can go pee during a
58:17
movie. I think it's called when, When
58:19
should when can I pee or when should I pee or something like
58:21
that. It's very generous of whoever
58:23
put. That it's a great.
58:24
Service. Yeah, and it'll be like the time
58:27
stamp, but then it'll also say, like after this one scene, this
58:31
is what's happening. And then right after that is
58:33
when you can, you can take a break, go to the.
58:35
Bathroom. I would be interested to be a
58:37
filmmaker and then go in there and see when they said.
58:41
When they said this part doesn't.
58:42
Matter and then you're like, and then they're probably like,
58:44
okay, I kind of knew that was gonna be, but we need it for the
58:46
pace, right? Exactly.
58:48
It's like, I wonder what they thought when, well, like when
58:52
they were making Rocky Horror, there's like that whole, there's
58:55
like that whole part where they're like, this part is
58:57
boring. And so then everyone just like
58:58
does a Congo line. I wonder if they expected that
59:01
would happen, that everyone's just going to get up and do a
59:03
Congo line because they're like, this part's boring.
59:07
Yeah, a Congo line always makes things more exciting.
59:09
Absolutely, yeah. You're at a wedding, it's all
59:12
dull and then on the line. Did you check Teen Wolf when the
59:16
bathroom breaks are scheduled? No, Oh my God, I really should.
59:19
I should look that up. Let's do it in real time.
59:21
Let's see what's going on. OK, so.
59:22
I feel like there might be a lot of options.
59:25
Maybe one of them would be when? Oh, it's called run p.com.
59:33
Oh, that's good. OK, let's.
59:34
See teen? I'm trying to think of when it
59:38
would be, but obviously I don't have the greatest memory.
59:43
I feel like it's going to be basketball with Boof and Dad.
59:47
Maybe that. Maybe the reminiscing scene when
59:49
Boof and Scott are walking down the sidewalk.
59:52
And. Pretend they're having that very
59:54
forced, cherished memory. Right.
1:00:00
Maybe and maybe someone who's like PC would say to skip out on
1:00:04
the chub scene. They do, they would say, just
1:00:08
right from the beginning. You can.
1:00:09
You would actually just start. You can actually just start it
1:00:13
at the 10 minute. Mark Yes, exactly.
1:00:15
The whole thing is he's not good at basketball and he's really
1:00:18
sweaty. It was funny.
1:00:20
I like didn't at first because I'm an idiot.
1:00:22
I didn't put together that like, oh, he's sweating because he's
1:00:25
like turning into a wolf. I was just like God, they made
1:00:27
him so sweat. Thick.
1:00:30
I guess thick sweat. Yeah, like just, he's just
1:00:33
drenched, like, just sweat like. And it was like him more than
1:00:39
everyone else. And I was like, why are they
1:00:41
doing that? Why is he so sweaty compared to
1:00:44
everyone? Else I don't think I have I
1:00:45
connected that either actually. Really.
1:00:47
OK, Well then I'm so sorry that I said because I'm an idiot
1:00:50
because I don't think you are. And so maybe this is one of
1:00:53
those movement like those moments where it's like, well,
1:00:55
don't say something mean about yourself that you wouldn't say
1:00:58
to a friend you. Know that's right.
1:00:59
So this is a learning. Moment.
1:01:00
This is a learning moment. OK, so run P Let's see, I had to
1:01:06
download an app. God.
1:01:08
No, it's not even on there. It's not on there.
1:01:11
Because the entire movie. Too old or?
1:01:14
No, I. Think it's too good?
1:01:16
Too, probably too good. There's nothing to nothing that
1:01:20
you can miss every moment. Wow is.
1:01:23
Yeah, well. If if anyone wants to watch Teen
1:01:26
Wolf, I would say don't skip them.
1:01:29
The scenes with the I think the dad was the best part about the
1:01:32
movie. Oh yeah, I just loved.
1:01:33
He was just so funny. Yeah, but there's a lot of a lot
1:01:38
of scenes that you could skip and still get the point.
1:01:41
Yeah, poor boof. Poor boof.
1:01:44
Boof with the BOP. Yep.
1:01:46
Boof with the bop. That 80s Bob classic.
1:01:49
Yeah. David, any final thoughts?
1:01:52
I don't think so. I think we've done great.
1:01:53
Yeah, I think we've done great. Do you think, do you think that
1:01:56
it aged well? See, this is where I'm not gonna
1:01:59
be a good person to weigh in because for me, it did.
1:02:01
It did age well just because of the nostalgia.
1:02:03
Yeah, Exactly. Exactly.
1:02:05
Yeah. And I think, you know, for me,
1:02:08
as a purveyor of nostalgia, it's great to see that sometimes
1:02:12
that's all you need. It's just some good nostalgia.
1:02:14
Yeah. So true.
1:02:15
We'll carry the whole thing. Yeah.
1:02:17
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well, yes,
1:02:20
sometimes I think it can't overcome things that are
1:02:23
blatantly, you know, racist or homophobic.
1:02:26
And even there, there was like a dash of of there was nothing to
1:02:30
like agree with. We can deal with a dash of
1:02:32
homophobia. Just a dash they.
1:02:34
Were they only use a slur twice like it's the 80s.
1:02:39
The 80s, you got to meet them where they're at.
1:02:41
I mean, if my I don't have the massage, just so my sort of
1:02:45
thesis would be it aged okay, I'd say yeah.
1:02:51
The fat shaming and the use of the word fag.
1:02:54
Although I will say in the scene, it didn't seem like a
1:02:58
derogatory term. It seemed like they were, you
1:03:01
know it. Seemed like the way that Scott
1:03:04
was using it was more just like descriptive.
1:03:07
Yes, the way that styles is using it was.
1:03:10
A little bit. Was there was a there was a
1:03:13
connotate, a negative connotation.
1:03:15
That's true. He didn't say I couldn't handle
1:03:17
it. That's true.
1:03:18
You know what I mean? That's true.
1:03:19
But he was just like, no, that's not what's happening.
1:03:21
I'm a werewolf. Yeah, like him saying I'm not a
1:03:23
fag, I'm a werewolf, which was probably meant to be funny, like
1:03:27
on paper, but, you know, he didn't really play it as funny
1:03:30
in the in the way he he delivered the line.
1:03:33
But yeah, it came across as like, dude, I'm not gay, I'm a
1:03:36
werewolf. So it didn't feel derogatory in
1:03:38
that sense. Yeah.
1:03:39
Yeah. But besides like a little bit of
1:03:40
fat shaming and just a dash of homophobia.
1:03:43
Yeah. It aged OK.
1:03:45
And the music, the music for me dated a bit because it was so
1:03:48
synthy and so like mid 80s like classic, like synth string.
1:03:52
But I think other than that it aged OK.
1:03:56
I would say it aged OK. I would say the same.
1:03:58
I think it aged OK, it aged like good enough.
1:04:02
It would still I think like am I going to show 6?
1:04:07
Percent. Still 46% like when it comes to
1:04:11
like the movies. I want to show my niece this.
1:04:13
Is not one of them. Sure.
1:04:15
And if she says I really want to watch Teen Wolf, I'd be like,
1:04:18
OK, there's a couple things we should talk about first.
1:04:20
Yeah, don't, don't surf on cars. Sunroof is OK, but we'll talk
1:04:26
about that later when your mom's not here.
1:04:28
And, you know, there's a couple couple things that we don't
1:04:32
really love. But overall, it's just not that
1:04:35
good of a movie. So.
1:04:37
So it's not really worth your. Time.
1:04:38
So it's not really worth your time, but I don't know, maybe,
1:04:42
maybe if someone had never heard of Michael J Fox and Back to the
1:04:48
Future was unavailable. This is like, this is the side B
1:04:54
of the Michael J Fox. Yeah, you got to.
1:04:55
Turn it over. If there was an apocalypse and a
1:04:59
VCR and this was the only tape, we'd play it.
1:05:03
We'd play it, I'd watch it. I'd watch it regularly.
1:05:06
You know, I went. I would be OK with that.
1:05:08
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, a lot of a lot of
1:05:10
qualifiers there. But yeah, I agree with, I agree
1:05:13
with all that we were talking about just with some friends and
1:05:17
I said the same thing. I was like, I wouldn't, I was
1:05:19
like I told them I was like, y'all don't need to watch it
1:05:21
Like it's not, you know, there's I wouldn't recommend.
1:05:24
I'm sorry this is hurting your heart.
1:05:27
But also, if someone was like, I want to watch Teen Wolf, I
1:05:29
wouldn't be like, don't do it. You know what I mean?
1:05:32
The way that like with other movies that I've talked about on
1:05:34
this podcast, people like, oh, I really want to rewatch that.
1:05:36
And I'm like, you don't want to actually.
1:05:38
It wouldn't be like that. I'd just be like, yeah, OK.
1:05:40
What's an example of a movie? Like 16 candles.
1:05:43
Oh, it's. People are like, oh, but I love
1:05:46
that movie and I'm like, you're not going to love it when you.
1:05:48
Yeah, post post me too. Just yeah.
1:05:52
It's a test 1 even. Even Molly Ringwald, I've heard
1:05:54
is. Right.
1:05:55
I'm sure that stuff for her to go.
1:05:57
For her to to her to watch, yeah.
1:05:59
But I do hope somewhere someone is thinking about naming their
1:06:04
child Boof. Boof.
1:06:06
I hope so too. And if you're the kind of person
1:06:08
who's like, I don't have a nickname, I want one, and you
1:06:12
give it to yourself, especially if you if you enjoy boofing.
1:06:17
Great, great option. On the nose.
1:06:19
Perfect option. It doesn't.
1:06:21
I mean, there you go, It's right there.
1:06:24
It's literally right there if that's an activity that you
1:06:26
enjoy or if it's ironic too. If you're like really straight
1:06:30
edge and you're like, I would never Booth could be a really
1:06:33
funny nickname. Yeah, yeah.
1:06:36
If I was a stand up comic, I feel like I would want to
1:06:39
somehow incorporate the word booth into my set because it's
1:06:43
so funny. Just the word it found out.
1:06:45
It's fun to say. And then the fact that that was
1:06:47
the name of, like, a pretty girl.
1:06:50
Yeah. Yeah, which I don't think we've
1:06:52
said yet. She was.
1:06:52
Yeah, well, we said she had a Bob, but yeah, she was a pretty.
1:06:55
Girl. Yeah, she was.
1:06:56
She was. Gorgeous.
1:06:57
What a weird, what a weird, What a weird choice when we love.
1:07:01
And we and we love them for that.
1:07:03
Well, you guys, thank you so much for coming on the show.
1:07:05
A joy is. Her happy.
1:07:06
It was a joy and a pleasure to have you.
1:07:09
I think that we should all collectively and with a howl.
1:07:13
Oh. We do this with our doggies
1:07:15
here. I wish you I we do.
1:07:17
She's a good howlers here. She's got a gorgeous boy.
1:07:20
She's honestly, she has a great voice.
1:07:22
But we will. We will try our best in her
1:07:25
stead. In her honor.