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Fridaze! Vol. 27 - w/guest Ethan Indigo · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen? How did folks? Your host J J.
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  Speaker 3: Vance here back from our Fridays host of Operation g
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  Speaker 3: c D and perhaps more notably, Nah the Vice President
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  Speaker 3: back in the game with my co host Nick of
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  Speaker 3: The Occult Rejects. Nick Great, Sir, Welcome back for Fridays.
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  Speaker 4: Going on so YO one Friday.
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  Speaker 5: You're gonna put the screen on and I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 5: doing that same thing I addressing some weird outfit. I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna have my arms up and my ship tucked in,
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  Speaker 5: dancing all fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 3: For I always enjoy the intro up In Buffalo, Jared Rivisa,
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  Speaker 3: my former stalker, Can you love.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Turned homicidal maniac, multi state stabbings free. Can you believe
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  Speaker 3: that man wanted to be my pr rep. You gotta
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  Speaker 3: be kidding.
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  Speaker 4: Mesas wanted to use this hypno therapy on you.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, watch out for that.
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  Speaker 4: You imagine That's what the deal was.
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  Speaker 3: I not only do about it this, you know this
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  Speaker 3: isn't any regular hypnotherapy we're talking about. This is this
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  Speaker 3: man's from Buffalo. Jared's from the family that ended the curse.
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  Speaker 3: Of the Goat, the curse that plagued the Chicago Cubs
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  Speaker 3: from from winning a World Series for nearly one hundred years.
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  Speaker 3: Ken Revisa in the Revisa Sports Hypnotist Operation business. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they're the ones who broke that. They're credited by the Cubs.
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  Speaker 3: That's Buffalo Jared's family business. So you know it's creepy, dude, creepy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking about it. I might need to give
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  Speaker 3: them a call though, because in case I need to
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  Speaker 3: break this curse of Robert the Doll, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. They seem to be very prolific in breaking
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  Speaker 3: curses there at the Revisa family.
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  Speaker 5: Like, you know, since your son kind of wanted to
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  Speaker 5: kill me, maybe he could just throw me this as
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  Speaker 5: a favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I'll be like, maybe I'll be his pr
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  Speaker 3: rep in exchange. Maybe they'll break my curse and we'll
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  Speaker 3: do a little bartering system that Jared didn't do it right?
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  Speaker 2: What what's the new what to operate or the occult reachings?
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  Speaker 4: Watch that much.
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  Speaker 5: Finally finally finished, pretty much almost done with my Jacob
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  Speaker 5: Bome however you say his fucking name thing, So that
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  Speaker 5: that's exciting that has some tough way too much time.
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  Speaker 4: B o h m. I've seen it.
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  Speaker 5: B o e h m. E. I've seen it, b
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  Speaker 5: o h m. E. I mean there's a couple of
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  Speaker 5: different ways of saying and I've heard people say it
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  Speaker 5: different ways. I think I said Jacob bome whatever three
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  Speaker 5: times on the show, and then I was like, you
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  Speaker 5: know what, I'm just gonna say Jacob.
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  Speaker 4: By the rest of the show.
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  Speaker 2: Did to read more about him?
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  Speaker 3: From what I have you've told me, from what I
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  Speaker 3: have looked at, it's a he's an interesting character.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure, I think so.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I finished that up, and uh got some
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  Speaker 5: stuff just Sola Temple. We got coming this Sunday. You
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  Speaker 5: were joining us with that, right, did I ask you
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  Speaker 5: for that?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Solar Temple, Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 5: With a oh yeah, he may not be able to
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  Speaker 5: make it, but conversation me and me and Julia might
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  Speaker 5: still cover it.
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  Speaker 4: He may not be able to make it.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Okay, well that's unfortunate. Yeah, enjoy conversation here with
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  Speaker 3: him on Fridays.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, get him back on. I just didn't want to
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  Speaker 5: with you. I didn't want to tell like five or
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  Speaker 5: six people to reschedule because somebody else can't make it.
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  Speaker 4: When me and Julia have notes.
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  Speaker 2: On I understand.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I figured, you know, we'll wing it without
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  Speaker 5: him and then we'll just bring them on whenever we
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  Speaker 5: can rescheduled. Really looking forward to getting them on. Actually,
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  Speaker 5: the guys like you know, like you a plethora of information.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, you ain't kidding.
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  Speaker 3: I popped on his show There Night already dead with
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  Speaker 3: him and his associate jose and Jewels from Great Bill Podcast, and.
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  Speaker 4: Oh he's going to join us to it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh nice, Jules Jewels pretty sharp. Yeah, we had a
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  Speaker 3: great conversation there there Night impromptu. No, that's that's awesome stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So we got that on Sundays. That's live too, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we're gonna go live. I'll see if we
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  Speaker 5: got anything. What's what's dropping that next week? Oh, we
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  Speaker 5: got next, We got tomorrow. We do have the audio,
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  Speaker 5: it was already out on video. We do have the
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  Speaker 5: Virginia U Guffrey with RDA Lee.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great one. Yeah, I actually doing some great
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  Speaker 2: work there for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh to drop on audio next week. Also,
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  Speaker 4: this is an old one.
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  Speaker 5: For you, but you know you were the cult and
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  Speaker 5: esoteric review of The Golden Child.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that was a good one, man, Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 2: a great one, dude. I got a couple of comments
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  Speaker 2: that was a little barn burner. It definitely was this week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just this week folks for comedy.
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  Speaker 5: On that and we got time slip with the Codega
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  Speaker 5: coming out. Yeah, yeah, I got to get him back on.
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  Speaker 5: Actually I was talking few long ago, not too long ago.
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  Speaker 5: Good dude, I like him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been trying to get him back on to me.
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  Speaker 3: And how do you wanted to talk some more cold
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  Speaker 3: stuff in Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he.
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  Speaker 3: May not know a lot, as I told him, you
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  Speaker 3: may now know a lot about these colts, but he's
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  Speaker 3: the one who sent me down that rabbit hole with
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  Speaker 3: getting better understanding of that atmosphere. And he knows I
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  Speaker 3: don't know shit about geography of Mexico. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: nice to have a local like him, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean that he helped helped navigate some of those terms.
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  Speaker 2: But now that's awesome stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely enjoyed the rye there at the codexs Codega's
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  Speaker 3: Codex of Curiosities.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 3: He was our guest a number of weeks back here
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  Speaker 3: on Fridays as well. Right, yes, he was and on
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  Speaker 3: your show and on The Rejects, and we've had him
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  Speaker 3: on you We've had him on both.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, stuff man.
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  Speaker 3: I I always enjoyed my time with the Occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be looking forward to that on Sunday. I dis
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  Speaker 3: dropped that, uh Greg little conversation, you know, but she'd
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  Speaker 3: hit him up again.
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  Speaker 2: I intend to. For sure.
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  Speaker 3: He's a speaking of a wealth of information on mounds.
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  Speaker 3: That's the man to go talk to, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't so he doesn't feel
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  Speaker 5: like I'm annoying. You should hit him up and bring
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  Speaker 5: him on your show, and I'll.
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  Speaker 4: Just gone, yeah, and I'll definitely do that. It's a
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  Speaker 4: different show asking him on.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get Jen in the mix because remember in Jen
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  Speaker 3: wizard skills in that conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Right yeah, yeah. It blew the guy's mind with that one.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, Greg was like, in forty years, no one's
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  Speaker 3: ever asked me or made comments like this, And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, shit, do Jensen.
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  Speaker 2: And wizard stuff?
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  Speaker 5: So his magic?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Jen the Ninja always doing wizard stuff. No, that's awesome, mate.
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  Speaker 3: I mean again, you've compiled a an extensive, diverse team
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  Speaker 3: of uh you know, folks that are at the occult rejects,
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  Speaker 3: and I do solut you for that, sir. I'm happy
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  Speaker 3: to be part of that team.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Elliott Novo, thank you, bro, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: The team I'm not happy to be a part of
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  Speaker 3: is the Revisa public relations firm, which is why I
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  Speaker 3: told him no, I don't want to hire a PR guy,
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  Speaker 3: even though he stalked me for about a year trying
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  Speaker 3: to for trying to be sure, and I'm like, he
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  Speaker 3: just went and took no note for an answer. So
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  Speaker 3: the fella homicidal, psychopathic maniac trans apocalypse multi state killing
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  Speaker 3: spree fella possibly hypnotic mind control assassin fella buffalo Jared
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  Speaker 3: Visa from the introduction video. I'll be doing the tail
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  Speaker 3: the full tale of his story on Operation GCD Sundays,
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  Speaker 3: eight pm.
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  Speaker 2: Patreon available, but go check it out. Yeah, that'll be,
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  Speaker 2: that'll be.
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  Speaker 3: That'll be a real barn burner because this, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: not only did this family break the Curse of the Goat,
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  Speaker 3: and his dudes got some interesting storylines going around before, during,
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  Speaker 3: and after his crime. So uh, pretty excited. I like
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  Speaker 3: to muppetize. Everybody said, obviously Jared buffalo Jared here, I
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  Speaker 3: got muppetized, you know what I mean. That's not that's
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  Speaker 3: obviously not the real buffalo Jared in the picture, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So just I just want to
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  Speaker 3: clarify that in case anyone was confused, that's obviously not
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  Speaker 3: the real buffalo Jared. The real buffalo Jared allegedly sits
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  Speaker 3: today in Bridgewater Hospital and the britt the spooky Bridgewater.
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  Speaker 2: Triangle of Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the original buffalo Jared photo before I uh
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  Speaker 3: muppetized him. But uh on this note, on Wednesday, Operation
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  Speaker 3: GCD Wednesday next week, I got trouble with Waker Jona.
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  Speaker 3: He was our guest a couple of weeks back here
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  Speaker 3: on Friday. Another dude with a lot of details.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah he does. He has a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 5: of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And well he listened to my last show on idoh
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  Speaker 3: stuff and he's like, we got to talk more about
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  Speaker 3: all these uh Idaho white nationalist stuff that's going on there, right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's got connection to Operation pat Con from the Order.
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  Speaker 3: The Order is Mark Mark Furman's buddies up there in
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  Speaker 3: Hayden Lake. You know Markman from the O J case
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  Speaker 3: and also connected to all of this mess is you
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  Speaker 3: may be familiar with the name Israel Keys.
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  Speaker 2: He was a serial killer. Yes, he's friends with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He grew up with the Keyho Brothers. The key Hole brother.
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  Speaker 6: We love Oh we lost them. Glin's got Oh boy, you're.
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  Speaker 4: Back in my back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're back and that So that'd be Wednesday, and
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  Speaker 3: then one last plug before we get to our guest
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  Speaker 3: here meeting Nathaniel bar Jonah, the cannibalistic kidnitdling, psychopathic serial
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  Speaker 3: killer that I came face to face with in Great Falls,
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  Speaker 3: Montana back in two thousand and one and may or
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  Speaker 3: may not have eaten human meat burgers he served up
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  Speaker 3: with the Hardy's on the late night in the summer
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  Speaker 3: of two thousand in Great Falls, Montana. So that'll be
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  Speaker 3: a real barn burner, real barn burner in there. That's
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  Speaker 3: two weeks there, week from this Sunday. I like to
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  Speaker 3: say Operation GCD Sundays is not you know, not only
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  Speaker 3: is it just the true crime and high weirdness that
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  Speaker 3: I've experienced throughout my adventures in life, but it's also
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  Speaker 3: just my effort to maintain the art of Americana and storytelling,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not just you know history, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: history will along with events that are going on in culture,
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  Speaker 3: right And that's.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm aiming for there.
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  Speaker 3: And on that note, I actually got a comment last
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  Speaker 3: week in preparation for my first Sunday show there with
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  Speaker 3: the Curse of Robert the Doll, I recommend folks check
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  Speaker 3: that one out. Damn demonic being has been cursing me
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  Speaker 3: for thirteen years. But I got a comment from someone saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they listened to you know, they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a fan of your current shows, but I went
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  Speaker 3: back and listen to an old show from almost two
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  Speaker 3: years ago with John Barber, the Stanate comedian.
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  Speaker 2: Fellow I've had on the show a couple of.
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  Speaker 3: Times, ye, the nonagenarian, the ninety two or ninety three
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  Speaker 3: year old legendary Stanate comedian and basically the man who
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  Speaker 3: invented reality TV, you know, And they were commenting on
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  Speaker 3: the show I had done them with him, just asking
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  Speaker 3: him about his life stories and which are I mean
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  Speaker 3: just not only hilarious but fascinating. So you know, they
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  Speaker 3: were commenting that they appreciate that the lost art of
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of storytelling, especially from elder folks such
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  Speaker 3: as John Barber, who again they don't make him like
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  Speaker 3: John Barbara. This man us to be the personal assistant
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  Speaker 3: or personal writer for Frank Sinatra.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for one example.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the only guy to ever put Jim Garrison
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  Speaker 3: the New Orleans District to turn on camera and let
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  Speaker 3: him tell his own story.
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  Speaker 2: He did that twice.
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  Speaker 3: He did it twice and got him fired from the
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  Speaker 3: number one show on TV for doing so. Still still today,
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  Speaker 3: I believe that's the highest rated show in television and
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  Speaker 3: reait like primetime television history maybe or something.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Real People. He created.
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  Speaker 3: He got fired from it because he did an that
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  Speaker 3: was interviewing actual real people. Right, this is this is
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  Speaker 3: I think Serra nineteen seventy one. John Barber gets fired
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  Speaker 3: for you know, putting Jim Garrison on camera. He would
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  Speaker 3: later win a case in the Supreme Court when the
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  Speaker 3: movie industry did not like his movie review of that
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  Speaker 3: shitty Charlton Heston film Soylent Green. So again, John Barber
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  Speaker 3: legendary character. Folks want to hear that sale check those out.
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  Speaker 3: But I just I appreciate the storytelling aspects of such
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  Speaker 3: things as that.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yes, sir, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That's I don't know, that's something you enjoys kind.
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  Speaker 5: Of a yeah, like, I guess I get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: I like the artist storytelling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I mean, wait in a twenty fashion, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know I know exactly what you mean.
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  Speaker 7: Man.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see that's what you're raving for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I enjoy that again.
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  Speaker 3: John Barber is a master of that, so I recommend
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  Speaker 3: folks check that out. But speaking of philosophers and authors
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  Speaker 3: and storytellers, welcome Ethan Indigo, our guest tonight and fellow
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  Speaker 3: occult reject.
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  Speaker 2: Hi doing sir, Welcome to Fridays.
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  Speaker 1: We'll look to you, guys day.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, and thank you for waiting twelve minutes. I
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  Speaker 3: just realized I was meandering about too many thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: There whatever, whatever, No, thank you guys, Thank you Nick
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  Speaker 1: and JJ for including me with all the great guests
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  Speaker 1: and the occult intelligence of all the occult rejects. I'm
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  Speaker 1: honored to be included and I appreciate you guys so
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I've been I've been hyped, I mean as much as
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  Speaker 3: I am hype for a lot of every conversation we
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  Speaker 3: have here on Fridays, quite honestly, But you know, and
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  Speaker 3: exchanging ideas a lot of new folks that Nick and I.
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  Speaker 3: You know, sometimes I schedule folks and Nick and scheduled folks,
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of times we're meeting new folks.
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  Speaker 4: But oh yeah, both of us don't even know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exchanging new ideas with new folks, and that's
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  Speaker 3: what we're raiming for here. And while we obviously know you,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to be exchanging a lot of new ideas
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  Speaker 3: because I don't think we get to the depth of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of where your head's at a lot of
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  Speaker 3: times in the Cole Reject Show. So I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 3: to that aspect.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, you know, I'm just honored to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, communicate with you guys with your knowledge. And
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  Speaker 1: I told you this before. When I started listening to
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  Speaker 1: you guys, I knew you guys knew everything from oligarchy
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  Speaker 1: to the esoteric. So really, as a lone author otherwise,
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  Speaker 1: it is my honor to be down with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it, sir, and you like say that
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  Speaker 3: you're in a cult reject, but you're also an author
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  Speaker 3: and a philosopher, so uh what uh why don't you
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  Speaker 3: give us quick backstor in some of those activities please?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I the philosophy started with a
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  Speaker 1: quite exoteric idea that I even used like the cursed
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  Speaker 1: word patriotism in it. But I was kind of looking
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  Speaker 1: at politics and I determined or president presented a kind
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  Speaker 1: of formula where there were four types of people based
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  Speaker 1: on mindset. Everyone likes to box people in and put
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  Speaker 1: people in certain categories.
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  Speaker 8: I find maybe I'm dealing with shallow people. I don't know, but.
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty accurate, right, I mean, I think it's I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a standard attribute of humanity, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, whether it's good or bad, I think it's often
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily good, but it's a good way. It might
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  Speaker 1: be a good way as to initially understand someone. But
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  Speaker 1: I formulated the idea that there were idiots, zelots, elitists,
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  Speaker 1: and patriots that yeah, Nick had me on. We talked
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  Speaker 1: about that, and not patriot in the aspect that is
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  Speaker 1: jingoist and state unquestioning, but patriot in the love of liberty,
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  Speaker 1: love of country, people, place, and idea. So it started
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  Speaker 1: from there, but then I started like contemplating, oh wow,
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  Speaker 1: that relates to At first, I was looking at it
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  Speaker 1: through the window of the allegory of the cave, which
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  Speaker 1: people might not know the fourth character that often, But
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  Speaker 1: there's the there's the captor who has the captives. That
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  Speaker 1: there's two types, one chained and one unchained, and then
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  Speaker 1: the fourth type would be the freed prisoner. And so
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  Speaker 1: I kind of initially was looking at it from that realm,
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  Speaker 1: but again very exoterically, if you will, not really looking
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  Speaker 1: at it too deep. But then I started coming across
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  Speaker 1: that there was other sets of four that were totally
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  Speaker 1: separate but totally similar, like the Wise Monkeys, which has
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  Speaker 1: an unsaid fourth two hear no evil, See no evil,
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  Speaker 1: and speak no evil kind of being the first three,
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  Speaker 1: and what they call fear no or do no.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Evil being the first one.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really the only on overt topical interpretation, at least,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: he's the only one that's sensible because he stops action.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: It's he's fear no evil and do no evil at
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: the same time. It's a kind of crossing reference of
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: both those. So when you're unafraid, you don't react is
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: essentially the message, whereas kind of people are really reactive otherwise.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: So I later formulated this whole idea based on numerous
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: different fields and modalities of the matrix of four, which
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: is kind of like my foundational philosophy, and you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it's I think, really enlightening. It's been a paradigm for
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: me and others that have looked at it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, we've covered.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: That was actually really really good. I thought that was.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that the matrix of four really kind of got
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: me thinking on this pattern of a duality of polarity,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and that has been a really basis of a lot
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: of my observation, you know, of symbolism and even the
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: most base systems of the world politics. Uh So, I
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: eventually even noted the four dimensions of geometry of I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: noted it during the Matrix of four, but I wrote
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a book about the sacred geometry of the four dimensions,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of led to another level of the set,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: a different set of four that is not only sort
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: of a way to comprehend meditation instruction and meditation practice,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: but also it's almost like a I was thinking about
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: doing an article about sacred there's there's sacred gematria, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the four dimensions of geometry are kind of like a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: sacred geo matria in interpreting energies through the four dimensions
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: of geometry, not just physical four dimensions of geometry, but
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the four energies of geometry having to do with point, line, plane,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and solid or in in meditation terms, Nick, were you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: gonna say something?
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Oh no, No, I was just saying, yeah, remember I
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: remember you saying all this one when you're when you
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: did it on the show.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Great, that's great stuff, man.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Uh. The and and really a lot of meditation practice
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: has this in in pretty overt terms once you understand
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the set of for uh, that being connection in correspondence
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: with the point.
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: Excuse me, concentration.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Is this point like kind of like somehow in integral
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: with time and space? Or what is the what is
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: the concept at this point you're mentioning as this fourth aspect?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Well, the point can be anything that you're contemplating. Some
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: people will meditate focusing.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Oh shitvil's go is that me? Well that's ethan I
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: was about to say. I thought I was out again.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: It just started storming here, So I was about to say,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: do you have me hooked on these concepts?
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Why is he going to fade away like that and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: skip out? I'm sorry about that left.
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: So it can be a visual point.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Some people will meditate, I got a gan picture behind me.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You can use any number of inspiration ideas or or
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: concepts or even the you know the The classic thing
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: you might see is the someone meditating in front of
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a flame. But the idea is beyond just physical. It's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: metaphysical too, in the sense of concentration is the energy
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: we are aligning with it with the point it represents concentration.
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: And the line.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: The line is energy connection in meditation terms, but in
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: energy systems we might hear people talking about chords where
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: they're attached to certain people placer thing in a negative
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: kind of energy construct as.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: A like a quantic quantum physics kind of deal, like
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: an entanglement situation.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I don't you know, I always thought it being more
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: allegorical as describing someone's you know, uh pattern, being stuck
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in a person, place or thing.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: That's no, okay, so not so much.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: It's say it's more metaphysical, because would say, didn't Giudorno
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Bruno kind of come up with a similar kind of
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: entanglement process with something you called tubules.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I I don't know about that, but I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: know there is definitely different physics connections to the point
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: line planes and idea.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Tend I was, I was just going for now, it's
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: a great quantity for a second, we'll.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Go back to the normal, the normal.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I stayed away from the stayed away from the quantum
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: because it's so hard for me to grasp. But what
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I do know about the quantum is that even that
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: word comes from four quarter and they were expressing qua
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and and the expression there is, you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: this infinite quartered super small particle I believe when they
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: were initially comprehending or imagining the idea.
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: But it is interesting that that they chose the four.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: So uh, there's there's concentration and connection, and then there's circulation.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, a big part of energy systems, taichi especially
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: is about moving energy in the body or moving idea
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: within the mind, right, learning to not be stuck on it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Like I saw some stuff. I guess I don't really
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: understand what tachi is. If I may just interject for
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: at least an explanation for me in any other folks.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like really excited to share tai chi and tai
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: chi ideas. It's often it's often known for being woo
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: really tight chi is yep, yep, that's uh, that's taichi
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and h like tahoe nice.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, yeah, my apologies, it was
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: on your website. I thought maybe that was a demonstrated.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. That's I mean, it is.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: It is tricky, but no, you can share it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to offend you. I really don't know
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: what she is.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: When you say it's when you say it's w woo,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's that's my understanding of it. Sure, No, No,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: it's known known as wu w's because it's that's my
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: commonplace understanding of yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Actually yeah, and it is.
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I got a compliment from my tai chi teacher on
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: my double lotus kick here.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm about to ask you what what what exactly?
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a double lotus kick that's in
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the middle of Actually it's spelled Wu. That's a Wu
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: family form, so it's not wo woo, it's wu w
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: u like Wu tang, which they they they're expressing their
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: correspondence with the kung fu flicks which we're mimicking and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: using Wu Dang Mountain kung fu. Gung fu, all of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: kung fu is actually self development practice. Gung means energy work,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and fu is like you know what a what's your thing?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: What's your self development practice? So tai chi is a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: gung fu and different, uh you know things from these
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: kung fu flicks of course, praying mantis. So all different
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: styles down like something from a movie, are actually foundational
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: gung fu in in terms of self development practice.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Please please sure, No, I know that's a good way
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: to understand. I understand what you're saying there as far
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: as the self development stuff goes. We have a question
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: from the chat and it's kind of where my head's
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: at too, because so this is not a tai Chi
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: is a fluid movements. These aren't poses, right, So this
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: is not a yoga posting. You're kicking stuff here. You're
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: not just like lifting your leg up and holding your
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: arms up.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: This is an action move, right. They just happened to
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: to get a still shot of you right in.
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: No, that's a that's a great question.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I would not be able to hold that as a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: still posture yet.
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: I'm working on it.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: But yeah, the idea of the form practice is actually.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: That it is made up of postures. So each of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: fluid movement of the form, often they are noted to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: be one hundred and eight movements. Each of these movements
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: are a posture, and so they can each be practiced
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: in their fullness as a posture, as a standing meditation.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: The idea of zen, anything zen that we might repeat
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it actually comes from a chigung tai chi meditation that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is a still posture, that is thes a meditation.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm tracking there, so I appreciate this explanation. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: what I'm understanding that is this is kind of a
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: derivative of Taoism.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is actually not. Chi gung is thousands of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: years old, and there are different chi gungs. Which gung
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: means development, she means our energy, but more literally, it
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: actually means compressed air. So like what are these jackhammers?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: This is a chi hammer, right, So chi at its
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: most basic fundamental can be understood as compressed air. But
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: it is of course energy and so forth.
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: But so a lot of.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Tai chi is really uh and tai Chi. The name
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: is actually a misnomer. It's really taiji Juan. It's not
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: tai chi.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: That's a misnomer.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: But taiji jwan does work on our energy system. I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: know of really hardly any people that practice taichi as
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a martial art. It is practed as a chi development
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: art that might coincide with their martial art that might
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: make any number of things they do better. In fact,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: one of the ways to look at it is that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: it's not the best martial art. It makes your martial
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: art or your thing better. So yeah, it's it's uh,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it's it's not as old as a lot of the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: chi gun. It is in fact related to many different things. Taoism,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you might find, some Buddhism, you might find again the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: one O eight. As as the gentleman mentions the importance
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of one O eight with the molds, I think you
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: can well well one zero eight is. There's a lot
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: of metaphysical and mathematical components of one zero eight, but
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: its most fundamental is what the gentleman noted about. There
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: being one hundred and eight beads on a japamala, which
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is the prayer beads of the Buddhist monks. In fact,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: they will utilize a pattern that goes one hundred and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: eight this way and then one hundred and eight this way,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: because that way they can remember is it three or
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: four hundred or three or four thousand and one hundred?
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Will they know because at this ending it's even, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: then the next ending it's odd. And there is actually
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the rajah maala on the Japamala beads, which is the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: one hundred and ninth bead, which is the king bead,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and the point from which you start to go backwards.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: The the Tibetans, certainly, and many other countries I could presume,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: have people that have become obsessed with meditation practice via
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: numb counting out the number of monstra repetitions. So I
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily the end all be all of meditation,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: but it is used with with monks like you have
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to do certain mantra repetitions through through the uh Japamolla cycle,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: and one hundred repetitions are counted, not one and eight
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: eight are.
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: Used to.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Were they're presumed mistakes as they incite the marchra vocally
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: or internally, and or used for the benefit of others,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: which is a really beautiful concept.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: So they kind of built in some wiggle room.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if you say the expression rom you got
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you got eight extra credits. All.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: It's all very interesting.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm vaguely familiar with some of these
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: topics and you know, subjects like my well, I say
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: vaguely familiar.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: When I lived I was I lived in Washington, D C.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: For a number of years when I was in the
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Air Force, I was station for almost seven years. One
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: point in time, I lived in an apartment. Out in
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: front of my apartment, every day this old chinaman probably
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: in his I mean he looked like he was eighty,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: but he's probably one hundred and twelve.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: He would be he would be doing tight she had.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: On the sidewalk every morning and I'm like, oh man,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: what's this dudeent like like six in the morning. So
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: this dude was dedicated to you know. But again he
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: looks younger than I'm sure what he was, and he
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: moved very well. Speaking to this movement and flow of
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: energy you're talking about.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially as we get older, there's something
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: really beneficial to the formula of tai Chi movement, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that is why it's the world's most popular martial art.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's not practiced as a martial art,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: but in fact, because it's so good for people, it
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: is now the first, excuse me, the most widely practiced
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: martial art in the world. Not that all these people
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: are martial artists, right, but it's we're lucky that we
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: have it and a lot of the healing arts from
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: China because it and many other things were almost and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: many things were totally eliminated during the Cultural Revolution. In fact,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: taichi and its relations are so good for even a starving, malnourished,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: oppressed society that they couldn't get rid of it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: They had to boost it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: So it's it was one of the few things that
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: has this rich history of ancient Chinese culture that they
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: didn't and really couldn't get rid of.
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: So that's neat. But yeah, it's.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Really about moving in a manner that I think this
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: is what it's really about. When people say that there's
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: wu wu to it, I think that they're totally wrong.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I think there are wu wu practitioners. I would never
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: promote myself as a martial artist that's you know, looking
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to use tai chi or x y Z. But it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: is a wonderful way to benefit our health and even
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I would argue balance our emotional mental state. It's got
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like all these benefits. I kind of refer to to
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it a second best for everything. Like you could see
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a therapist, that's probably your best route if you have
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: something related to that, or practice taichi that's close second. Uh,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you could do yoga, that's the best way to get
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: limber taichi close second. You could you should use weights
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to get your muscle mass taichi close second, And we
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: could go on and not so. Uh.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: You've done a number of studies across the spectrum of
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: these activities. As I as I familiarize myself with some
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: of your work and your blog and your books, what
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: you're describing you've outlined, it seems, and what you're describing
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I see in the details of your titles and description
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: of your of your books that I have not read
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: and I will certainly be familiarizing myself with in the future.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: But it seems like you've done a great study in
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: this season. How long how long you've been working on
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: these matters? You know, when your brain on paper.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I think my I'm not sure when I authored my
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: first book, I offhand, but I had been writing quite
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: a lot at even twenty eleven. I think I had
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: written one or two books around twenty eleven. I remember
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that because it was Fukushima occurred. Then that was I started.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I started writing as much as a neophyte absurdist like
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: myself could. I started writing and researching on the nuclear experiment.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So that sticks out to me. But it's a little
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: bit before then, I was. I was already writing. Then
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I was going to say there's one, please go ahead.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just saying, that's awesome. I see
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: you've even published things on Gaya.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened.
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: I feel like one or two. Well, actually it was
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: I believe through the one o eight book. There was
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: a festival that came through the Tahoe area called one
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: oh eight Wonder Wanderlust and and they were quite popular
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: and successful at one point in time then COVID hit.
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: I don't know where they're.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: At now, if they even existed a big way, if
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: they're even doing festivals. They had multiple things going on
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: with their yoga studio and different contributors to what they
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: were writing, and at one point I don't know how
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it happened, But at one point they offered me the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: position to do something with the festival, and then they
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: quickly renagged. They quickly renagged.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: I wasn't the right one for some reason, but there was.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I did get a few articles on there at that particular.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: Point in time there.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I got somehow the nicety of the inclusion there.
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: That's how I think it was.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: It was like, show up one day, You're like, hey,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I'm on guy, or do they give your heads up?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Or what are we talking?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: No? No, uh yeah, oh yeah for sure, yeah yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And you're.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Gonna get a lot You're gonna get a lot of
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: visibility on Guy with these topics.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Right, this is right in their wheelhouse, right, Yeah, you.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Would think, but most people are more into yoga. And
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: why is he yoga more popular than taichi yoga pants?
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I was yo. If you didn't say that, I was
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: going to say that.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: No, I was gonna be like, it's even it just
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: sounds like you just reality looks likes.
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, you you.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Look really bad. I don't know about women, but you can't.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: You can't do tai chi without some loose pants. It
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: really really adds to the whole aesthetics.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, so now it sounds like you invented taichi Borghini bottoms.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like pants.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: One of the loose rules of tai chi is that
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: they're is not martial measurement belts, but one should wear
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: loose clothes and have a loose belt.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: So yeah, jumpsuits.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Jumpsuits are really the way like in modern times. And uh,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say a chemical aspect in my anecdotal
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: experience of the benefits of tai chi again not I'm
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: not trying to create fires with my hands. I'm trying
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to maintain stability in the war world.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: And the masters are the same thing you're saying with
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: with the that's the extremest version of this leology, right
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: or philosophy, right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: The the the dope thing about taichi is that there
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: is no limitation, there's no belt. It does. You do
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: not reach a point of ultimate refinement.
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: You keep going.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: So there's really in that sense, it's not saying what
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you can and can't do, right, that's.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Actually I understand that aspect. But you know what I'm
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: talking about. You see these I'm not a martial artist.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I am a fan of martial arts, and uh, you know,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm a Scott's Irish Cherokee fellow. In Scotland, our
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: martial arts are called fuck you and it's mainly just
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: headbutting your opponent. Yeah, to a joke from so I
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: married an axe men coming up this month as the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Operation g c D Occult Neessitary film Review, I had
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: apologize how to plug that. You've seen these videos where
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: you see the the chigong master versus a martial arts master,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: and you know they're trying to shoot the dude just
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: like karate chop and it's game over.
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: Sure, I've seen tons of those.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I really don't look for them, nor it's not necessarily
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the martial.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: Arts that I might look at in in total either,
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: But say you.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Could that be real?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Well, there are definitely stories from legit martial artists of
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: legit tight practitioners that are many years older than them.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: They couldn't determine their age and much smaller than them.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: And he was super small and super older than me.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I couldn't quite determine his age.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: There there is uh a reason for them. Yeah, there's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: there's a reason.
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: Well, no, I I agree with you.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. I would no, I apologize. I'm
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: into the idea.
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: The idea, No, don't apologize, this is great.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I would always do a simple thing rather than a
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: tai chi move. I would never ever have a plan
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: in a moment of confrontation. I would respond, in fact,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: that the taichi theory is to not act first, but
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: arrive first.
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: Right, So I mean you could get into the martial.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Aspects the principle for me real quick. That gets that
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: got that my brain all real fast.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you if someone goes to punch you and
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: disengage their action by getting to them first.
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: So tai chi.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So it's well.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: The philosophy certainly, absolutely, yes, Yes, the philosophy and the
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: classical depiction of tai chi would be yielding to an
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: attacker and yielding to them ending up on the floor.
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: It's a great way to deal with bad energy.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm highly skeptical of steven S, but there is
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: if you look at his past, he definitely had some interesting.
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: Teachings.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: He was, he was in Japan, he was, he was
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: going to places, and it might have all been you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: fame oriented. I know he works, he's like getting medals
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: from Russia and hanging out with He's there, right, Yeah,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: he's he's number one, weighed and measured number.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: One, exactly right. I think he isn't he? Him and
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: his ex wife got super fat? Remember how hot she was?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Vaguely, vaguely I'll bring up like.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Kelly the Brock anyway, they're yeah, they're both married at
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: that time.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: You look at him now they're both three hundred pounds.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: Right, yeah, well, you know all does.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Some tai cheese stuff, right, is my thinking of something?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: I think he is like Keto focused.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Take You're right, You're right, You're right.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: But if you ask him, if you ask him, he's
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: been doing tai chi for one hundred years though, if
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: you asked.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, like I'm an expert. I've been doing it
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: for hunt.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yes that is true, Yes, yeah, yeah, always he may
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but again your.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: First crush, my bad. I apologize, I'm I'm interrupting the conversation.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Or just I read it that way too. I realized
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: it was.
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: Always priced for.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Have you seen have you seen pictures over now? Please continue,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I'll bring the.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Photo so I don't I distrust you know, a lot
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: of the depictions, whether they're on one side of the spectrum,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: or other of tai chi as it being totally bogus
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: or as it being totally great. We'll see, I think,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and the expression is in taichi. It is not the style.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I practice Wu style. It's not the style,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: it's the practitioner. So I think a really amazing thing
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: about tai chi. That's anecdotal understanding, But in my interpretation,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: it helps to increase these beneficial chemicals that are chemically
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: and physically measured in the notion of the Runners High.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: And it's not the same, it's not the same chemical
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: reaction or response that we engage in practicing the same
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: it's in fact, a much my newt amount of the
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: same creation of the chemicals. Right, Runner High is this
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: much chemicals? Taichi practice this much because we kind of
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: use our imagination, which is a you know, as a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: very silly aspect to it.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: But it's a.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Really chemical influential, powerful device in the terms of getting
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that taking on the bear, or taking on your nemesis
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that has been long your nemesis or your new nemesis,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: or your least favorite politician, and that creates a little
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: bit of Runners high chemical creation. Except you don't need
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: hardly energy of it, so you you create this really
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: beneficial chemical composition that is preparing your body to prepare
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: from running and fighting a bear right, running from and
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: fighting with a bear right?
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Actually not is that one of the key principles then,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So like that's the idea is to train your mind
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: while doing these these movements.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily if this is widely expressed, but
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a big part of tai chi is getting high off
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: your own supply, off your own biological chemical creation. And
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: uh so we're we're really generating all this positive chemical forces,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and yet we're at the same contrast putting our body
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: in a really relaxed state that these chemicals can circulate
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: better and thus have a better effect. So it's a
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: really powerful thing. If you want to use it for
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: martial arts, like Mike is talking about, you just include
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: it with a more yang force practice. Tai Chi is
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: definitely more yin oriented the internal, the softness. I have
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: definitely had teachers and fellow practitioners that in the two
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: person practice called pushing hands, there is an element of
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: empty force where you try the more you might try
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to engage force upon them, the more they disappear on
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: you and you have to be really grounded and not lean.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting dealing with a tai chi practitioner.
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: It's very not fake.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Let's just say that interesting. So here's a question for me,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: the comes of mind. So we mentioned the comparison or not,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: you know, not relative but not the same as yoga,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: but almost like in the same accomplishing the same.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Tasks or goals as you would through yoga, different practice.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Right, So I've been I've been doing yoga for a while,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: following the practices and teachings in my group Guru Diamond
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Dallas Page GDP Yoga.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do enjoy that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Are you serious?
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: Are you kidding?
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know what.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: He's a former w w F A wrestler, dude, who uh,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I guess you know he's created this it's a great
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: yoga program. I am being half serious and half half kidding.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you couldn't find the difference. That's what I
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: was saying for.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah that guy.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I never got into wrestling, but you know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I heard this dude story about how he help this
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: yoga stuff to overcome some injuries and stuff, and you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I'm I I've done before, doing it a game right
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: now to overcome another injury. I just recently had so
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: blew up my neck a couple of times this year,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: dislocated my jaw earlier this year.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: That was fun.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I always always a good time done that before, played
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: that game. Uh bringing up a dog fight, Damn dogs.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: But anyhow, you know, I would be you know, so
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: would this be a proper substitute in place of my
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: guru's teachings DDP yoga?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I would, honestly, I always recommend integrating your past practices
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and your current knowledge and everything you know about your
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: your lifestyle, whether it's playing baseball and sliding into bases
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: or dealing with insensitive creatures on two legs. It's it's
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: really helpful, and it's one of the most integrative practices.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I think I practice yoga every day, but I think
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: most yogis don't call what I practice yoga.
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: But I don't know what to call it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: You could call it nadon or different different chigong maybe,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: but it's I highly recommend this. It's super vigorous and
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: really empowering. The five rights.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, I go ahead. My lag time order is terrible,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: even go ahead.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: The five Tibetan Rights of rejuvenation are super simple, powerful
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: practice you know, kind of has like a legend out
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: of an old book. And uh, I think it might
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: be from Nepal or Bruton. But but the exact origination
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: of it is is non is non determinative. But really
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, my apologize, my signal is terrible. We got a
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: storm going here. Now.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: This is not like a you don't go to. This
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: is nothing that you go to a class necessarily did do.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: This is something you've you've again, you've studied through some
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: you know, some practition you know of some old Tibetan
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: you know practice.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Is that what I'm hearing?
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: It is in fact so simple that there's no real
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: instruction needed, especially when you have earlier prior yoga experience
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and even sport kinetic knowledge of body work like it is.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: It is yoga movements that you've likely done before, if
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: you practice yoga before. So it's in fact, I think
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: a big reason why it is not taught is because
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: it's so simple and powerful and and just like, oh
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I don't need to learn again, it's not it's not
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: like hot yoga where you need to figure it out,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: or different different cycles where you need to figure it out.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: It's really just five movements done in repetition and a
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: It's like the most simple thing, but it's really yang.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: It's really powerful. I find it. I'm basically dependent on
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: it to start the day. I'm back taichi. Sorry, no, no.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: The taichi is a really great way to soften the body.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Another thing I've experienced is a whole different way I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: might deal with gravity, even the gravity of someone pushing
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: me or trying to topple me over. We don't realize
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: how mechanical and square we often move when we're actually
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: meant to be more circular, or more circular movements might
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: be more powerful in dealing with different aspects of gravity.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Certainly not all, but it really changes the way you
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: might deflect incoming energy, for instance, or a fall. And
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: it teaches people how to walk. You'd be surprised how
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: much I've shared tai chi and I talk about remember
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: to when we're walking we step heel first and and
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: not and make sure to not catch our toes. And
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, wow, I never thought
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: about that. I needed that, And and so it's it's like,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: really simple, but it's really I wouldn't say complicated, but
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: refined as well. But yeah, it has. It has so
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: many positive effects, and that's why it's popular. Not the
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Wu i swear, and there are notorious wu practice uh
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: woosters out there. I'm sure, definitely in yoga, and definitely
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: in kung fu and so forth, but it's really meant
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: to be practiced alone. And that's maybe the complication of
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: sharing tai chi is that people really have to do
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: it themselves, right, like.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Understanding, Yeah, yeah.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Well it's it's interesting how much you can think about.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: When you're learning about just a really simple articulation, you
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: might realize how clumsy you're moving. When you try to
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: mimic a refined movement that you're learning, you realize how
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: much that you can refine. Not that we are all clumsy,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: but we're actually all athletes, right.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: So I understand what you're saying, but I mean I
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: always land on my feet.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: That's tai Chi is all about the feline energy and
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: notoriously attracts the cats. They and animals I find they
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: love to observe humans practicing tai chi, and they.
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: Almost are like, this is what humans do?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: They just are kind of it is a weird, weird
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: response to almost honestly, we were just walking firmly. Yeah,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that's interesting, right, we're usually walking for apologize, no, no,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: this is this is great because we're usually walking firmly,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: or maybe we don't even walk, and the animal just
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: sees a human kind of swimming in the air. And
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: it's very bird like too. The birds are like, is
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: he can he fly? So, I mean it's a really
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: like amazing chemical process. And yeah, it's got, it's got
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: just really it's the one thing in the world that
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I found no hangover, I'll benefit interesting.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I appreciate those comparisons.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: I I I definitely enjoyed, uh you know, break the
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: breakdown there. I thought you were gonna tell me that
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: at one point your your yoga guru was a macho man,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Randy Savage, and I was gonna obviously sign up for
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: that program.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I did of my wander.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: You know, he's he's boys, he's he was the boys
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: wonder lust.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I met some kind of sorry, well I lagging now, sorry,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: that's right, Sorry, what did just what do you want
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to say? I?
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: Uh, macho man was friends with Marielon le Manson.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: Was he really no.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: You can find picture of them together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: I think there was a special. There was like a
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: wrestling special that was going on for like a few
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: months or they're like doing like certain wrestlers, and I
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: think there was like they were even showing that he
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: was friends with them and stuff. I think they were like, oh, oh,
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: you know he was friends with you know, like showing
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: his wide range of like you know people he was
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: friends within, how he could fit into everywhere.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: I think they even like showed like from this to
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: that whatever that was.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: He was a hell of an athlete.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: But he was also held a coked obviously too, so
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I could see where him and old Marilyn Manson might
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: get along.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: There you go. I was gonna say, I've met some
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: uh and experienced classes with some you know, uh famous yogi's,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I mean famous in there in the yoga field. But
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: in my experience, my tai chi teachers have always been
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: like Yoda, like I found you, like, you know, it's
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to find a tai chi teacher.
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: Let's just say it's it's a.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: It's really beneficial, but there's a few and far between
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: the people practice and teach.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: It and and why do you think that is? Is
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: it's just a loll start from an older generation or
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: what not. Not no one's appreciating anymore.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: I think you might have lost you And.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Is that a lost art said?
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's you know, it's the difficulty of
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: doing the internal work, like here's the here's the work
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: you gotta do, and and you got to do homework.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: You should work your way up from twenty minutes a
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: day to an hour and and I'll see you next week.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we can nail them with that personal development, right.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's a big limiting.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Factor for folks too distracted.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, it's it's I think, I mean, it's
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: hard for us all to take on in total, it's
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: almost like a system. It's like a system of self
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: development in a lot of ways, and and with no
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: set course or end results necessarily, But it works like.
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: The layering of a phone book.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Right, every day you practice is like a piece of
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: paper on a phone book, and then eventually it's resilient.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: So it's a very subtle way to develop. But I
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: find all these people have like such all these people
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: as we get older, there are all these potential problems
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: that are like, wait, this subtle thing, this subtle little problem,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and so taichi just helps with subtle things.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we may like Stevens to go and
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: let him know about that, because you were mentioned the
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: things about gravity and the subtle change over time and
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: your elderly So this is the lovely problem Kelly LeBrock
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: and Steven Sigldmary there in the nineties. Now, I guess
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: I should do her an apology. She has a low
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: some weight and it looks a lot better than her
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: ex husband does healthwise.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: But obviously she she was.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: You know, a little bit bigger than this from some
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: tabloid photos of recall, but this is her in recent years. Obviously,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: this is her in Weird Science. That's a pretty for
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: any gents of our generations. Is pretty legendary scene and Tom.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I believe.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: Epic movie because of her.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Well that you know that. And Bill Paxton, not Bill Pulman.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: I think, I don't think it's Bill Paxston. He gets
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: turned into a turret, giant turret. I mean, who's not
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: gonna remember that? That's that's hilarious.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was classic at the.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: End, great film. Great film.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: So Steven Saghal obviously looks like not only did he
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: eat the old Steven Sagal, but he's eating that Steven
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Sagall as well.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Stephen Sgal is eating to achieve this. I mean, look
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: how fat he is, dude? Wow?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: Eating two of them?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my look how I mean? Look how fatty is
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: This is in Russia, by the way.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: He's the king over there, I think, yeah, he is.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: What is going on with that hairline? What is happening here?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: That's great? Obviously a right.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: That I think actually get it shaped up?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: Noticed that they might shave it in.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: He Oh that's total No, that's total implants or yea
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: I would argue him and travolt to go to the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: same wig guy. Travolta rocks a very similar wig situation.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really kind of expresses to me a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of self doubt when he's like, hey, we're
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: all getting old and obviously you can't hide your belly there, sir,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Like why are you worried about? Like, don't don't wear
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: it out, dude, wear at or wear it out like
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: no one wants to see that.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Like I tell you look at you, man, this is
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: this is what Travoltz looks like without his wig on.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Oh ship, it looks fine.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: He looks real at least whatever.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Right, But I'm saying recent years has been going wigless
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: you know what?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: I just just being real is great.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: But I mean I wed with his wigs, right, Yeah, it's.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: Very very starting.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Look at that. You look like a complete weird. I
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: put in a wig on like that if you asked me.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: But it has that same and when it's he has
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: a different wig that's very short hair and it looks
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: a lot like the one that it's the gold Rocks
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: But on that note, yeah, I mean that is that
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: way that's less worse. Well, I'll find you the bad
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: one on that. Now, look how fat this dude has gotten.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: This is supposed to be some sort of martial artists.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Are you telling me that?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Now? Well, there is there is the idea in Ikdo
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: of the practitioner and his OK. The UK is the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: guy that gets thrown around, and that might be a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: good phase of learning in practice to learn how to
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: tumble and so forth, but it's not the pattern that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: one wants to be in as a as a martial artist.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: The UK is basically taking that turn into a flip
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: and flop, so you don't want.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: To be there.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I think Steven sig misunderstood that and he thought they
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: said dukie because he looks pretty duky.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: So so look, how weird this this moy is. You
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: see what I'm talking about? That kind of weird look
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: similar to to the to the cigar. I've been trying.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: I've been tracking this dude's activities for many years. He's
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: a complete weirddo.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what Steven Saguld does in life,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: but I cannot imagine it's anything normal, right, that isn't
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: some weird ship.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I promise you that.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The the in the overt luxury in in Russia
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: is is so you know what we would call like
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: eighties taki. It's just beyond the pail from what I understand.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, I mean you got to think that
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: they never really got anything American and so what like
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: you know the early nineties, right, so they kind of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: went through all the American culture at once, right, all
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: those decades of culture kind of got dumped on it once.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: It's gonna it's gonna create a weird environment if you
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: asked me.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Gosh right, yeah, good point from from jeans to them
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: to the modern day mafia.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're dropping the sixties, the eighties, and the nineties
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: on them at once, dude.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Forget the seventies and everyone else did. But you know,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: if you dropped decades on them at once, dude, what's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: happening in life?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you both didn't.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: So i'd ever say about the time that Travolta got
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: a little too hansy with me one time secluded airplane Ethan.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Uh you know, I had I had to travolt this
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: story too. Is that really you and Travolted?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: It's me as a young staff sergeant Garden at their
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: stealth Fighter, me and my team.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: I went to uh an event at a museum in Maine,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: and uh he my friend had noted that he might
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: show up.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: I was clueless. I guess she was like, oh, he
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: was totally you know, he was looking at you like what, yeah, he's.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: He was right, right, of course, And she knew that then,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I was just like kind of clueless, like, oh,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Travolta is going to be there.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 8: I want to meet him. But he was he was so.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: D l like.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't even I looked right at him. I didn't
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: recognize him at all. I was told later that was him.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: He was, he was so inconspicuous.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I recognized him immediately. Sadly.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: I also was yelling at him with a large gun
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: in my hand tone to get his damn hands off
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: my aircraft. So he was the master. He was a
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Master of ceremonies at the Dayton, Ohio Airport air Show.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: So not not a military base to ain airport. We
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: we had that from like Thursday through Sunday. We had
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: it was, you know, the airport air shows multiple days.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: The main event was on Saturday.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: He fly.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: He was a Master of ceremonies. No one No one
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: told me. No one told me, you know, and uh,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: the I have. It's me and five of my guys
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: out there, and we're garding. We're mainly just garden. App
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: We have other Air Force aircraft that are on the ramp.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: So I have a golf cart, mean another guy, but
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: a golf car. We do some rounds, check out the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: other aircraft from time to time, right, But for the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: most part we're all just hanging outside that anger next
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: to the fighter, because that was the main that was
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: the main priority.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: And uh.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: In fact, this night, a couple of my troops brought
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: uh that movie. This was a July of two thousand
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: and three. My couple of my troops brought that film
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Basic with Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta, which was
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: fairly new on DVD at the time.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: You all familiar with that one?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, I've never heard of that.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Oh man, it's a scientology special. There's a lot of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: scientologists in it. But you ever seen it?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: No, it's what is it about? Basic Training?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: It's about a murder in Panama in the nineties at
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: a at an army base.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I believe I recall correctly.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen this film since that night, so let
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: me see the details. Well I don't either, So let's
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: let's take a journey back to July two thousand and three.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: We don't have a delore in the night, but we'll
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: do a quick shot here.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Basic is a two thousand and three crime action three
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: are directed by John McTiernan YadA, YadA, YadA, Travolta, Samuel Jackson.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I know I know where BC's in there. He's a scientologist. Okay.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: During a live fire exercise in the jungles of Panama,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: a team of Army Rangers trainees is led by an
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: instructor and master Sergeant Nathan West. Sergeant Ray Dunbar. Uh
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: West is the Why don't they tell me who's the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: actor here? Anyway, there's a there's a murder, and then
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: they bring in Travolta, who's Army CID, to investigate stuff,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: and it gets real weird like that. It's actually a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: decent movie. It was kind of a.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Flop at the theater though, didn't do well. It's like
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: box office wise. Yeah. So it was March two thousand
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: and three. Yes, so the DVD came out literally like
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: that week.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it's sure happenstance, I suppose, but the uh so,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: we're watching it that night, they're watching it in the hangars.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: I'm out doing my rounds, right and uh that's when
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I see someone touching some aircraft of mine and no
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: one told me about it.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: We're in a restricted area on a you know, Savannah
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: air So.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: I pulled there in my golf cart, hop out, start
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: hollering at the guy, get your damn hands off my aircraft.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: It was a guy, a lady, and a child. It's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: midnight on a Friday night, and the guy turns around.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: I immediately recognized its Volta and I was like, oh shit,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: you drawn Travolta and he's like yeah, and he's like,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: that's my plane. And I turned around. Comically, there's a
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: large seven thirty seven right behind me that I definitely
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: didn't see as I pulled up, and that's his personal aircraft.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: He had just flown in. And again, no one notified
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: me in.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: My security area of this because the airport cops didn't
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: like us, so by all means, no one was going
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: to help helping any any capacity by notifying me of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: folks coming into my area. But they want they wanted
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: to come in and see the Stealth Fighter, and I
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: told those fat bastards, no way, it's it's a secured area.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: So when they saw me bring Revolts in there, then
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: they threw a bigger fit later and I was like, oh,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: you guys can go fuck yourself.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: So the uh so now one told me said then
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: I felt bad and I was like, oh shit, that's your plane.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I just flew in I'm the master's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: ceremonies and I said, oh shit, my apology. And the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: lady and his uh the child was his publicist and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: her son, so that it was it was late.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: They left. I said, I felt bad.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: I said, why don't y'all come see the Stealth Fighter
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: and come meet my troops. They'd love to meet you.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: They're watching I said, they're watching your movie right now,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: and they go. He he comes over to the hangar
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: and I was like, man, this dude's a nice stute.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: He came in for like an hour and a half
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: demanded on taking photos. I did not want to take
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: this photo. By the way, the lock the aquera one
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: on my face awkward look at my faces because I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: was standing about two feet over from him, and the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: last second he can't. He put his arm around my
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: neck and brought me in a real tight and then
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: I pulled. I pulled away, and I felt bad because
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: he looked at me weird. So I put my arm
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: around his arm just to make him feel little bit
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: better in life. But he was a nice guy otherwise.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: He signed autographs. I like that DVD and stuff of
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: my troops that they were watching.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: But I did feel bad.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: For arms.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't a gun at him, but I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: had a you know, I had a rifle, you know
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: what I mean, like it so and you know, he
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: was touching my aircraft. I appreciate it because no one
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: told me. But anyhow, so it was a weird event,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, yeah, he understood, you know, like I said,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: he hung out for like an hour and a half.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: So and then years later I saw them tabloid articles
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: and I was like, you know what, maybe he wasn't
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: just a nice guy. Maybe he thought he had the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: jackpot that night, you know what I mean, He's like,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: what do he means?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: He's like six young Freshing Air Force.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Military police officers and a secluded airplane hangar on a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: restricted airfield on a Friday night. He's like, he's like jackpot,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Kind of how I thought
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: about the situation later because uh, you know, apparently apparently,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: you know, apparently he got really aggressive with those massus,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: numerous male massuses over the years. And I'll tell you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: one thing, he got a little aggressive with me in
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: that phot and at the time I didn't really appreciate it,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: and I you know, I just thought he was, you know,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: an overly kind of gentleman at the time.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it makes me think I want you. Have
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you guys heard the story about Jackie Gleason.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: I'm listening.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: I like some old Hollywood tales, enough familiar with this one.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: It could be total b us because check out what
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: it's related to. But there's a story of how Jackie
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Gleason was fascinated with the UFO topic and phenomenon, and
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: even I think had a house built in the shape
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: of a flying sauce.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I've heard that where but where did that? Where was that?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Someone Hatty was telling me about that recently see.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: La my mistake, though I don't know particularly, but I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: assume it was in California, southern California.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 8: But but he was.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: He had a whole library on the topic right, and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: apparently was friends with some really high powered folks who
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: brought him to see either a craft or bodies. Again
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: a highly, highly skeptical story, but it makes me think.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: You know, John Travolta, I've heard other stories of him
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: being interested in planes and.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: Such and such.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Obviously the ultra wealthy they just get them too, so
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: they're like straight shopping. But I wonder who the modern
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: day gleason might might be that you know, has some
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: star with connection, like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna go
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: to the Air Force base and hang out because everyone
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: knows me.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Well, that's certainly possible. So in Travolta's case, and again
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: that was all sure happens. Thence again he and everybody
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: got access to that place. You see, I I blacked
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: out all of my patches and name type of stuff
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: on there because I wasn't there yet, and I didn't
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: take that photograph.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I noticed that, You're like, just for future reference, that's
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: not me.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Someone super imposed me in that photograph.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I didn't want to take I was the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: last one. Everyone else I'm like, yeah, you all post
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: for photographs. That's fine, you know. I mean I was like,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: you know, we're not climbing that. I was like, we're
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: not climbing the cockpit. That's not happened.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: Guys, you were, you were kind of the boss, So
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: you're like.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wasn't gonna I didn't want any evidence
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: that I was engaged that it was fine with them
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: doing it. But you know, everyone talks, and you know,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, this shit's gonna get out, you know
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: what I mean. These were all early on set digital photography,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: so shit was gonna memory cards. You never that shit
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: gets real wild, real quick with getting shared. I was like,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a part of this one, right, you
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I don't like to, you know,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: I go I go by the John Gotti school of
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: a you know, school of life, where you don't you
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: don't post for photographs and increminating circumstances and anything you
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: say or write down be ready for that to be
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: read back.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: To you in court.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: That's what these were stables from John Gotti, the mob boss.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: So I like to subscribe to those kind of things
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: in life. So you know, you know, everyone and we
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: live in a modern era where everyone photographs their crimes
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: and the dumbest shit possible, you know what I mean.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: This is two thousand and three. I not really a
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: crime per se, but he shouldn't have been in there.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: I'll admit that much.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: One thing.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: Please go ahead, you no.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: I just even I even felt bad afterwards because or
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: I felt like an idiot towards I'm like, you know,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: after I first invited Hi, I'm like, you know what,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: that's kind of a dumb thing. I acted like, you
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: never seen it before. He did a whole movie with
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: the cell fight beforehand, already broken arrow.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he wanted we wanted the boys to show him
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: how it works.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. He's like, yeah, I've never seen
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: a souther fight before. Guys, let me see that.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: We had showed me how to handle that.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when they wanted to climb into the cockpit, I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: don't think that's what the cock what he was talking about.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Uh. Someone in the chat saying, ivy since Gleason's UFO
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: themed house was in upstate New York, Oh, I don't say,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: don't say Westchester.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, sir, It's located in Westchester.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: Come boy, I always got to be in New York
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: any No, it's Westchester for you, yes, sir?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: No, oh, yes, sir.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: I was I was waiting. I was waiting for you.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: You got me. You read my mind.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: There, Jackson Jackie Gleason's iconic circular mansion on the market
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: for twelve million dollars. The located in the town of
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Architectural Feet in west Chester County, where everything inside and
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: out as circular, and he is part of an estate
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: being listed for twelve million dollars. So you need to
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: tell me this dude build an alien UFO uh house
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: in the din in the place I called denim in equity,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: full of all sorts of ancient alien cargo cultist activities.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: Shocked?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Would it would have shocked?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: That's interesting, though, I have to look more into Glease
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: And so was it he was? Was he buddies with
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: what Nixon or something?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe I think it was Nixon, forgive me. Yeah, I
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: think it was Nixon, but I'm not one hundred percent.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, there's stories of him just being walked in
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: and just like people would react like, oh, hey, oh,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: it's well, it's Jackie Gleason, you're friends with the generally
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: obviously he was.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: The dude, right, And he was the guy I mean
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: the Honeymooners on TV when there's like two or three channels, right,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: he was like the only you were forced to watch
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: it if you didn't like it.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I mean it was still on anyway, that's true.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: Good points.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's wild that he was in Westchester.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I will admit them to having grown up in that
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: den of iniquity Westchester for about four or five years
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: of my youth bug out on this class trip.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Please please please do share.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 8: Four or trade.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: This was in Putnam Valley, right near modern day West
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Point and Indian Point. And of course JJ, maybe you're familiar.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: There's a big mountain base there. There's a big underground
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: army installation and training facility right next to virtually down
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the down the road from West Point and really closer
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: to Indian Point, the nuclear power generation experiment.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: No idea.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Actually this is a brand new information. Please continue.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: Well, let's do you want to look up what that is?
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 8: I forget. I think it's still in existence.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I'm working on right now. Yes, sir, what was the place?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: I forget the name of the mountain based subterranean mountain
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: base right next to West Point and Indian Point there is,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: so it's not like secretive or anything.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: And we so.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: We drove right by this mountain base. I forget what
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: it's called. JJ will know in a minute.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: And I went to Indian Point Nuclear Power Generation facility
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: for a class trip. And it was a total propaganda
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: show and propaganda tour of the nuclear power plant, which
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: of course they stopped doing because they gained some sensibility.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: But that that was which was this.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Indian Point upstate New York. It is the I think
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: it's now shut down, But keep in mind every shut
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: down nuclear power plant has on site storage. It is
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: just not producing energy anymore but running.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: It's decommission. But you're right, it's still it's still kind
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: of being in a whole whole status, right, Al.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: It's got it's got to be.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: And actually it's the oldest nuclear power plant formerly operating
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: now in the US.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about Camp Smith?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 8: No, Indian Indian Point?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: No there the military base there.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: Oh could be?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Could it be? It could be Camp Smith?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: Excuse me?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, no worries, no, I I yeah, I saw
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: the I saw the nuclear power point in the Camp
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Smith's the nearest military installation of this in Courtland, New York.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes sense. I forget what does
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: it say that it's a it was an underground mountain thing.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense to me that it would be.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: It was fifteen hundred acres and it started in nineteen nineteen,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: so this would have been a time where they'd start
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: doing these kind of uh yeah, burrowing into these mountains
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: on the East coast.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one one of those just an interesting
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: you know Marshall.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: No, and it's connected to West Point because it says
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: they use that for Dreams Center.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so of course, of course, which makes complete sense.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: It's this Smith's Mountain Lake is that? Does that sound right?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm sorry, I can't. Can't remember it all the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: name that they're learning about must.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: It's interesting though, because I didn't even know that stuff
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: was going on in Westchester. So you're bringing a lot
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: to my attention here because good well, I said, my
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: origin stories from just across the border there in Richfield, Connecticut.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: But you know where my family goes back a long ways.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: But I only spent a few years of my life there.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Sure, and I went to an Army Navy game at
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: West Point one time.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: That was that was thrilling for a little kid.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Uh and uh. I was gonna say that the Indian
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Point Nuclear Power Facility is I think one of the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: few that is built on granite. Of course, New York
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: is just all grantede right, especially that area anyway, So
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: it's probably one of the more stable facilities that there are.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of quarries up there.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: That's some of the best granted up in New England,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: isn't it.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: Over Mont's Fault Mound, New Hampshire. They're full of huge
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: granite quarries I mean that have been long long since
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: mind and abandoned.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Now filled with water. They're just filled with water.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: And some of those places, a lot ane of them
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: have this lady in the lake kind of folklore where
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: there's ghostly apparition will jump into the water from some
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: lady who allegedly jumped into the.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Water and died.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Sure, I've noticed that's a common tripe to these these couarries,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: these you know, of the years, I used to do
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of ghost hunting, if you will, in my
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: summers in Vermont, especially when I became a teenager and
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: a driver's license.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: That school area to do that.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: It's a wild place, dude.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: Vermont's got a lot of weird history, very weird history.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: So main there you have main there, right, and mains
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: kind of epily spooky, right, not spooky intelligence satancies, but spooky.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: No, there was Like I mean, the more you know,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: the more subtly spooky it can be. I think. I mean,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's got a very We're.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: Talking like six hundred year old vampires firing off guns
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: into the.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Vermont.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: So it makes me think that there is not only
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: was there people that were using the salem which happenstance
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: many decades, many centuries ago now to implicate people that
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: were totally innocent and or just healers with herbs and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: so forth. I also think that there were other type
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: of people that were you know, just like light and
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: dark magic.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: I think that there was a reason for the paranoia
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: that was certainly used and demonstrated against innocent mostly women
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: and women too. But I think there is, you know,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: just something behind that in a lot of these spooky
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: places and what was happening then, like people were running away,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: what were they running away from a lot of them
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: were running away because the royals were implicating them and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: they were practically innocent, if not totally innocent, but some
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: of them might have you know. I mean, I feel
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: that's how it works with all these systems, is there's
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: your I don't want to say dupes, but people that
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: are doing the topical storyline and then people that are
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: on the underhanded.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 8: Side of things.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Right, So I'm of the opinion and I'd like to
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: hear your opinion. I know, I know a little bit
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: of where Nick stands. We'd like to hear Eas stands
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: You brought the sand on witch trials, and I think
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: that's a very integral moment in the ocult history of America,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: and I can get into that here after we share
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: our thoughts. But I'm of the mindset that there was
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: both a satanic panic if you will, for the witch trials,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: and some of that shit was obviously executing innocent people
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: or folks doing orb stuff you like you're talking, And
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: then I'm also in the mindset there's some weird shit
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: going on there.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I meant.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree that there was the people that
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: used that sentiment, if you will, as is as we
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: can see today on different topics, not necessarily witchcraft, but
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: there were also people that might have been doing inappropriate
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: things that could have been whether it was entirely perceived
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: as dark or there were some darkness to it, maybe
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: maybe not, But I but I think there's always the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: gray and the white and the black, right, I mean,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I think this is not necessarily true with magical systems,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: but also just societal workings.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Right for sure, Nick, what were your thoughts on the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: sand Withstrals and know we've discussed that somewhat offline before
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: a couple of times.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I found that to be a really weird situation,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: and honestly, you know, it would probably be really good
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: to talk about that with would have been wrong because
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: like some of the things he's pointed out to you
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: that easily of the cet er even things like I've
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: kind of looked into after he told me, you know,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: things with.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: That well, he's a descendant of one of the first
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah we got merged right.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and like he he did go into like first.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: So if I was always questioning, like how truthful is this? Anyway,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: I did think it was a lot of satanic panic
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: for back then, like you know, Ethan and you said,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: I'm sure there could have been somebody doing something weird.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: I but though I do tend to think that maybe
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: the more weirder or the more fucked up or sicker
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: people were actually the one making the accusations, because I
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: do think that they might.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're deterring the guilt from them, right, They're
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: pointing the finger of someone else to the now one
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: and accuses them, right, Yeah.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: And then there.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: You know, then land's getting taken and given to people.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: You know, it just seems convenient. And even what Ron
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: had said is that you will later on see down
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: the road, if you were to follow those families, you'll
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: see like two families that were supposedly against each other
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: or like marrying each other.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: Now, so like, was was it really you know? Or
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: is that was that? Was that some Romeo and Juliet
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: fucking you know romance ending?
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just like you make some good points, sir.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: There's always land grabs and mind monetary you know, measures
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: to all these kind of things we still see today
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: in these matters of kind of a parapolitical nature. This
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: is late seventeenth century politics in Salem, Massachusetts.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: But nonetheless it's still a pair.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Of politics because obviously there's political folks involved in this.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: There's that's in the imaginations of what's going on there,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: you know, ruling that these persons of which we're going
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: to execute them, and these kind of things. You know,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: this is before we have constitutional rights in America, but
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: obviously that would be a violation of due process.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: Even think of it this way, if there's like some
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: sort of like family that still is like embedded in
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: that town. It is always going to have money coming in.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: I'll do you one better. Why is it we see
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: just because of that story?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: No, I agree with you, but I'll do you one
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: better as far as exhibiting what you're saying is, why
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: do we see so many folks that were so integral
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: in that situation on both sides of it. The accusers
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: and the accused, their descendants are not only the the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: they're the pioneers and the occult in America, but they're
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: also prominent folks in society.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: So Joseph miss.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: Grandfather, paternal grandfather, he was sorry great great grandfather, great grandfather.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: His paternal grandfather served in the Revolutionary War as a
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: captain and was an original member of the Society the Cincinnati,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: the secret society that founded America. And I would argue
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: Mormonism is an offshoot of that. We did that show
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: with Heidi kind of describing some of those details. But
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. There's all this weird occultism within
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: these families. But it goes back to the sale on
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: West trial seems to be a seminal moment. So you
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: have Joseph Smith's great grandfather and his grandfather in law,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: so his wife's grandfather. They were both accusers of which.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Is in Salem.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: And those witches were executed, right, So what happened to
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: their property and their homes and stuff like that? In
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: many cases, you know, other folks were definitely seem to
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: be plotting for that, right.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: And then you see.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Jack Parsons Old Marvel Whiteside aka Jack Parsons the Agape
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: Lodge of Thelehman, not the founder, but apparently the head.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: I always thought he was the founder. I looked more
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: into it, not the founder. I was kind of prist
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: of that lodge, right. He later he later became the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: head of that lodge, but he's not the founder of
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: that lodge.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: And then he and then he moved it, I think.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Right, right. And then his wife ran away with a
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: guy who was the founder, right.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: And then his other girlfriend ran away with.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, her side yeah, her her sister, Slash his side piece,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: and al Ron Hubbards you know, uh, you know main
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: squeeze he did well with whatever, Yeah, whatever weird.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: Sexual dynamic those four had.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: You know, she ran off with her, right, So, yeah,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: Parsons is left alone, but his fourth great grandmother Parsons
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: was an accused witch in the sand Witch trials. So
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: we have a guy who's at the forefront of the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: Lehman America, and yet his mother was seemingly I do
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: think she was into some weird ship.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: You know what Parsons did actually supposedly say that he did.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: He did attack him with magic after that, with Marshall magic.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: Supposedly, I wouldn't be surprised you that's what I'm saying.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: They're they're doing that that in your sleeves off.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: Supposedly after he ran away with his chicken ship that
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: he so he was trying to sink his ship or
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: something like that.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Typical they do that stuff, don't they. That was something
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: probably we did, right, That was something Crowley like to
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: do though, right. He used to like to engage his
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: opponents in some sort of mystical midnight warfare.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Mystical I know he.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: I know he was. Basically, I don't know how true
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: the story is.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: He was like walking down the street having like fucking
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: a magical battle with some of the dude and I
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: don't I've heard that.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Sadly, I don't think there's gonna be any cocaine. Bob
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Evans references the night but stick around then I can't
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: ever roll it out.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: So you know, what are your thoughts on this stuff? Ethan?
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: So even the Bush family right now, they have roots
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: in Salem, right.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: Wow, I didn't. I didn't know that.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're descended from one of the witches.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: It's the there the Walkers, you know, George Herbert Walker
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Bush one of the Walkers, one of the Walkers for
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: others there wasn't accused, which I believe she got murdered.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: Dude, spoky, Well, I did know that they were East
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Coast establishment put long time, long time posing as Texan
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: oil barons, good Texan good old boys, but their action
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: right East Coast establishment for sure.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: For short.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: Did you know this lady's fore mother was also a
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: witch in the Sand Witch trials?
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 8: Yikes?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: And English Jessica Parker?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Is she of English heritage?
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: She's of witch heritage? She looks like one still today? Right?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: Is she of English heritage?
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: And she's the same kind of ilk we're talking about
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: the Society of Cincinnati, blue blood New England, Massachusetts heritage. Yes,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of things go back to Essex County, and
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: specifically Salem there in Massachusetts and around the sand Witch
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Trials that are still relevant today, not the least of
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: which is the actual trials.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying the people that were.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: There, that's really speaking.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, But so like, what are your thoughts
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: on that as far as why why is it that,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: for example, Joseph Smith and we'll just take j Smith
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: and Parsons, why is it that these folks are descended
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: from folks in the Witch Trials? Yet they and they're
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: the four, they're the forefront occultism in America?
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: You know what I think is this I think and
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: not because it's my theory, but I think this.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: A little theory. That's fine too, right, I think.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: This solidifies even more that it was a bullshit story
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: handed to you.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you're like that?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: Did you're being fooled again? That the Nazi magic what
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: you're speaking right?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: Being mining wizardship dude.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean this, this whole establishment of the country
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: was before excuse me, the idea of manifest destiny, which
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: was a total, abhorrent lie to inspire people to do
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: really nefarious activities in order to acquire resources.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 8: Essentially, but they had.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: Their somehow clocked into different reasoning, you know, through this
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: perversion of idea that you know, you can just take
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: what you want. I mean, so this country was definitely
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: founded on that type of lie to motivate really theft
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: from other people.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: Ultimately, if I may, I blame the Vatican for that,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: but you know, I understand what you're saying, that you
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: make an accurate syment understaying when it comes to manifests,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: and that point a lot of stuff sources of Vatican
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: on that one.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: No, no doubt. I was just pointing to that recent
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: one that we can that we've long examined openly as
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: being Okay, that's obtusely horrific. And yet of course it
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: goes back hundreds and hundreds of years as a as
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: a tool or.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: Theme in no offense to Catholics.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: But you know, there's a reason why America was started,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: and there's a reason why America did not let the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: Vatican in America. With the exception of those unruly bastards
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, the only colony that permitted the Vatican was Maryland,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: which they started.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: So go figure.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: It was a real trope back then with whatever reasoning,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: certain and maybe obscure that the Catholics were going to
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: bring in the Jacobins, which we're going to upset the
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: revolution against the royals.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: Well that's who, That's who started this country service the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: descendants of the Jacobhites.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: And the Hugots.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there wasn't it wasn't there another side to
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: them that was, or at least maybe I guess they're
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: the same side, different different aspects, the same group, different aspects.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: But I think what you're pointing at is what I
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: call the crown history, not crayon, but crown history. Like
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: Crown inc Any Crown of the Vatican, we live under
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: their propaganda. So what you're pointing out is an accurate
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: statement based upon their their narrative.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean it's uh, it's I've you said
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: essentially this. Forgive me if I put words in your mouth,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: but that even though we might know the names of
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: individuals and their occulted groups, it really comes down to
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: not their name, but their persuasion and their action.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Something for sure, I agree with it.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I've made statements to that sim and I
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: and that's certainly is something I agree with and something
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: necessarily I have said for for sure, because like I mean,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: I just judge folks by their actions, right, you know
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: what I mean? So everyone can tell me that that
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: Andrew Couima was a governor of New York and he's
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: a Democrat. He maybe doing Democrat National Committee activities and
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: following their state, but the Democrat National Committee did not
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: tell him to get these giant niple piercings. And and
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: he's adhering to some protocols and rules that are outside
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: the standards up DNC.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Do you see that? Where
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: do you make that delineation? H?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean he holds the distinction to being the
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: really one of the big political losers of COVID.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, hardly anyone came out.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: We'd like to think that in a reason world, sir,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: we would like to think that this man's trying to
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: put his name in the hat for presidential run.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 8: I seen it, And yeah, with those.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: Nipple rings, do you want me to vote for this
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: guy for president? Get out of town?
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Get out of town.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: So I'm not saying everyone with giant nipple piercings like
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: this are are in a sex cult, but I would
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: say that it's very common for folks in a sex
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: cult to have these giant nipple piercings.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 8: That's interesting. I did not think of that, but that
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: is interesting.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Look at these bastards. Look at that.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Because he's shoe off, he's like, this is this is
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: one of his first COVID press conferences.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: He's like, hey, everyone, check out these nips.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 8: Wow, those are huge.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: Why would you go to a press conference like that? Dude?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: What's going on in this man's life? So, the way
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: I look at it, the Nexium cult took over the
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: politics of the state of New York, both in Albany
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: and on the federal level a long time ago, and
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: in doing so, they incorporated folks like this fella and
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: his attorney general.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: So he was the attorney general.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: Do you think the same group there are different groups
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: might have framed the current governor of New York or
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: was he just dumb?
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're talking my language.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: So this has been going on in New York for
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: a while, because we've seen a couple governors go down
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: like that, like Spitzer, Right.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: I forget what what happened with him.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: He was doing prostitute stuff and just like Hey man,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: you got bus to doing prostitute stuff, You're out of here.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: So but nonetheless, that madam that he was doing prostitute
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: stuff with her prostitute, she's connected to Nextium. Go figure.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: So the Andrew Andrew Schneider Eric Schneider, Eric schneider Men.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: We'll just insert a name here, Eric Eric Sneiderman. I'll
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: look it up. He was Cowomo's attorney general and coma
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: he appointed Couomo appointed him the attorney general, and he
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: became governor here.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: Right, So he he resigns under scandalous sexual circumstances of
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: assault and sexual assaults and activities, women claiming some very
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: bizarre things that he would do some weird sexual stuff
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: to them but then make them go get his dry cleaning.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: What the media didn't report of the proper context of
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: those complaints. The proper context of those complaints are they
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: were part of these women had achieved the DOS rank,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: the DOS rank of the Naxium sex cult where they
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: got branded and we're personal sex slaves of higher ranking
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: individuals within the cult.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's does that sound from Mayor?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: I just can't believe that someone would be so pathetic
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: as to.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 8: Join a group like that.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: But I understand, I guess the high power players that
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: they're willing to format them.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: But like, wow, this is no small group, and this
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: is no small group. So this is this is the.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 8: Same of people as a learning I get it.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: I just.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: No, no, sure I should have said power Yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: So I would.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: I would assert based upon their own missions, statements, and
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: photographs that next to them called is the evolution of
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: the Albany Chapter of the Processed Church of the Final Judgment.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: For example, their Harvard thought, Harvard grad thought leader William
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: Simms Bainbridge, likely a member of the Society of the Cincinnati,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: descended from William Bainbridge, the Admiral, And there were Wars
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: of seventeen seventy six, and you know he uh he
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: old William Simms Bainbridge. Damn, I forgot where I was
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: going with that. When I went I got on a
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Society of Cincinnati. Tangent my brain hole there, and I
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: lost where I was going with Bainbridge.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: He infiltrated the He infiltrates the process. In nineteen seventy
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: two to write this book about this sex colt in
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: which he did write a book, but then he's photographed
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight. On his own website, he posted
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: this and the photographs mentioned listed the album E chapter
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: of the Process nineteen seventy eight. Well, how is that possible?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: According to Netflix documentaries, the Process ended in nineteen seventy four.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: So I heard that.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: I was like, isn't that after they were supposed leaving
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: them exactly?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: So this is on the dude's own website, right, he
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: runs a Process Facebook group. What a boomer anyway? He Uh,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: that's where this photo comes from anyhow. So he's in it,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: and he's they're all dressed in black. You know, it's
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: again years after they're supposed to exist anyhow. So if
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: you have Anxium, which is confirmed an offshoot of Scientology,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: you have the Process Albany Chapter, a confirmed offtion of Scientology,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: and they're both operating in Albany, and there's not a
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: turf war for membership or activities. Well, then I'll tell
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: you one thing that I've concluded is that nineteen seventy
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: eight group that existed well after the alleged disbandment of
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: the Processed Church, well, they evolved in what is known
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: as the Nexium Culty.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 8: In my opinion, the names may change, but the games
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 8: remain the same.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: Precisely because they're still using that same E meter, except
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: for the process calls it the peace coope, and Nexium
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: was using that as well, so that scientology E meter.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: So Kristen Gillibrand replaces Hillary Clinton when she becomes Secretary
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: of State.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: Her father was.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: Not only a member of the cult, he was a
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: paid executive, and her stepmother's slash first cousin was also
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: a member is also a member of the cult. So
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: this is the US Center from New York and Chuck Schumer,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: he's got his own connections, So.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: A paid executive. So they have a group and they
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: have a collective running the group that's getting paid overtly.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, even hired Roger Stone to be a lobbyist
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: at one point.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Wow. Man, So they're like up and coming Heritage Foundation
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: with with some.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: Of the groups some creepy ancient alien cardgio cult, scientology
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: to Lima belief systems.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir, So are you familiar with Bill Clinton?
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm at least uh, you know, somewhat depth
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: on on the breadth of all he's done.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just yeah, I appreciate.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: I was just being a smart as I appreciate the
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: entertainment though, so his uh one of his close friends
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: is BFFs, a fellow by the name of something Maze.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: I'll get back to you on it. It's not Billy.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: But he was the first uh black man appointed to
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: the Arkansas Supreme Court by Bill Clinton when he was
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: the governor. He's he's a member of the cult and
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: he was there in house counsel. He got busted in
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: SIRCA two thousand and nine, almost almost lost his law
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: license or was suspended for a period of time over
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: a racetrack casino deal that he and jay Z were doing,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: and they got him and jay Z got busted for
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: some criminal dealings in that jay Z almost got busted
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: for racketeering.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Dude, I think God is both go ahead, please, yeah,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: I was say sorry to interrupt you.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: No, please go ahead.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: I'll continue on all day even unless you stop me,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: So please go ahead.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: I've I know of other I believe Republicans, but probably
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: other Democrats too that.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 8: Have only not not even one hundred.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: Years ago, still with the you know, just recently in
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: the past couple of decades are scamming the tribes in
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: one way or another on real estate ventures of sorts,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: and and have gotten in prison for it.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: It's it's so it's so frequent of an occurrence.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: Now and that that's is they were shaken.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: They were doing some similar activities, these two and again
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: they got busted by the FEDS for it. And you know,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: and you know, at least they got it, got intervened
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: by the Feds and no one got charged by this dude.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: I think I think he had his lawless suspended. But
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: it's Richard Leon Mays. He was the second second Blackfelow
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: appointed the Arkansas Supreme Court nineteen seventy nine. Richard Leon
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: Mays is his name.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: He like I said, he uh, he's still alive, shipping Okay,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: he's old, but he he he's a member of Next
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: to him, Bill got so when when uh? When? Right? When?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: When Kristin Gillibrand I was in DC at the time.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: I don't do politics, but I was surrounded by it
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: when Kirsten Gillibrand took that role in DC as this
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: young senator from New York US center out of nowhere
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: right again, out of nowhere literally and her father's a
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: paid executive in the cult. Her stepmother slash first cousin
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: is also a member of the cult. And uh so
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: you got the Hillary connection. And then this dude is connected.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: He's the council and he's so Bill's getting all sorts
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: of heat from the press for some reason. You can
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: look back int articles at the same time, because they
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: got all these connections from the different angles to the
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: next them cold. This is before next to him became
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: this criminal enterprise to the public and publicly known this
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: as much. But nonetheless they've both got heat for these
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: connections at the time. So that what I'm saying is
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: that Dan of inequity is I claim in Westchester County
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: really has its heart in Albany.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 8: Oh Man.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never really been to Albany, but it just
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: as always spooked me out for some reason.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: It's uh, go ahead and Nick, go ahead.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: That's so much of a trip up there, right for
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: a long Islander I don't even want to think about driving.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: All I say, what is that about? Eight hours from
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Long Islanders? Yeah.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: So May's worked full time for Clensed ninety two presidential
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: campaign and co chair of the Clinton Gore presidential inauguration committee.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah, this dude, and again he was a member
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: of the cult. What he's doing these things? He's there,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: he's there in House council.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 8: It's insane.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: See when you when I look at a powerful organization
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: that may have amaze and it certainly appears to have
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: infiltrated politics. Looking no further. They also produced the film
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: or the TV series Small Villain.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there, and if they get to be too big,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: they'll make themselves more obscure and turn into a new name.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: They're already doing that. Thank you for being They're already
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: doing that. So once, once we're near, he went to prison.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: Once Alison Mack, the actress uh turned state's evidence. Her wife,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: another actress by the name of Nikki Klein from Babylon five,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: all of these ancient alien cargo cult TV shows go figure.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: So she did.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: They basically just you know, kind of just changed her operations.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: They're still continuing today. They were doing mk ulture experiments
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: in a hospital in Albany. The neurologists and cult member
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: lost his medical license over this. That is documented. Wow,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: so we have mk ulture experiments going on, very strikingly
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: similar to Ewan Cameron's in the same town, Ewan Cameron
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: lived in Albany. This same organization is transporting children across
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: the international lines doing child sex trafficking.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: As for the initial charges, not what they got later.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: You know, they threw out some charges from the initial
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: indictment Alison Acturn, Alice in Acturn states evidence from nine one.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: If you looked at the filing that her attorney filed,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: she turned. They filed the standard form in which to
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: be a narc. So there was a lot more to
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: that tail that never got told, swept into the rug.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: Because if you recall that Mexican drug cartel that was
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: doing business with the fundamental Mormons in Mexico back in
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen where a bunch of women and children got marked.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: Remember that one, Yeah, I think so.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: Actually, those Mormon fundamentalists of the Romney le Baron compounds. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: Mitten's Romney. Those women and children, those teenage women were
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: nannies for the next team Colt, shipping women and children
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: to and from Albany in Mexico. They had in Alps
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: and Monterey where they were doing MKL for experiments there too.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: It's been my experience that uh, the real the real
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: criminals like to network like that, Like have what these
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: apparent different groups come together and they're both doing the
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: same thing. In this case, it was Mormons and Mexican mafia,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: if you will. But broadly they looked very different and
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't think they would associate with each other. But
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: when they're doing you know yet Yeah, so yeah, straight,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: it's straight hood. It's like gangster into bigger dimensions.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: Yop. Now, I totally agree with you. I have this
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: anointed theory that all these.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: Ancient alien cargo colts, p and Jehovah's Witnesses, scientology, Anytholimo organization, Mormonism,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: et cetera, any one of these organizations next to them,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: they're gonna at one point in time.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: They're all doing these seemingly.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: Disparate activities and operations and organizations, but at some point
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: in time, and they're planned operations in the future, they're
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: gonna come together like Voltron, you know what I mean,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: some sort of you know, hopefully they'll just blast off
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: the planet. We don't have to deal with them anymore.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: But something tells me that I ain't right what they're
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: gonna do, But only time will tell.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a little little clandestine additive that they
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: can put in and help help them maybe maintain that
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: quindestine nature that they have. What about this with your
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: experience in Washington, DC? This is this is anecdotal, maybe,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: but I swear the most dangerous drivers I've ever interacted with,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: the most snaking drivers I've ever interacted with, was they're
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: all in Washington, d C.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 8: Driving. Driving in DC is nuts with snakes.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Everyone and everyone has uh crash and dents on their side.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: And not everyone, but so many. The frequency is really
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: high because they got snaked and someone didn't see them
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: there and someone was trying to snake them and they
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: got wrecked into. I never seen so many cars with
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: damage on their driver's side.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: You ain't kidding, sir, You ain't kidding. It was kind
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: of a surprise, a shock to me when I first
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: moved there. In fact, the very first day I was there. Uh,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: I'm bringing up a picture of the bridge to illustrate
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: my point here. I was driving.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: You know, it's very busy.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: It was late at night, It's like eight o'clock at night,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of traffic.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: There's some traffic. I when I first moved there.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: I was living in Alexandria, but I have a couple
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: you know, my family being from West Virginia, all of
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: my aunts and uncles at some point everyone lived in
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: and back then they all moved to d C.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Right, that's where he went.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: You either went to like Pittsburgh, Cincinnati or d C
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: at the time, right, like to get out West Virginian.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: They all all, all seven of them, at one point
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: in time, went to went to d C. So the
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: including my father who was stationed there.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: At the time. Uh.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: The uh, which obviously is not necessarily my choice, but
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: I'm saying all of his siblings just happened together as well,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: after you know, leaving West Virginia.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: The uh.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: So I'm driving so going to visit one of my aunts.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: I'm driving across the bridge and I'm just picturing this
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: in my head because this is how shocking this was
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: to me when I first encountered this. But going from
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: Alexandria into Maryland on the bridge and everyone's just slowing down,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what is going on? Someone's car had died
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: literally in the middle of the two lanes on the bridge,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: literally right in the middle of the two dotted lines
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: right there and they just left it. So people were
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: having problems just even getting around it from either side
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: because of the manner in which this person just left
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: their fucking car in the middle of a bridge, in
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: the middle of the lane.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: But that's the attitude they have. They're like, shit, it.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: Died, I'm out of here, and they had no other
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: thoughts otherwise. And this is my first That was my
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: first DC traffic jam, was trying to navigate around this
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: car in the middle of a bridge at night when
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: no one, you know, people can't figure it out, like, oh,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: I'm new, what do I do? And I'm like, dude,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: drive to the left if you can't get around the right,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, driving, Yeah, driving out the wild Compared to New York.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: I thought the driving out there was a.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: Crazy Yeah, you've seen you know, you've seen a little
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: bit of both actually New York City and the DC
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: region's own.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. DC is a weird fucking place to me.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's not like this is the bridge I'm
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: talking about. It's not like you can just be like.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'll just drive around like you're like you're literally
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: like once you're on there, you're just stuck. You know
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: what I mean, you can't like turn around. It ain't
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Like that's a real nightmare.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: I don't even go. I don't know.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: I try it to ever go hear that. But this
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: is the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, connecting the four ninety five
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: belt away from Maryland to Virginia. And you know, once
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: you get in the middle of it, dude, you when
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: you know you're just you're stuck there doing so you know,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: DC's that that's my first that was my first experience
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: in DC trafficking. Well, you know, once I lived there, Right,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: I've been there before, but once I lived there, and
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: it didn't get much better than that.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's cluster and it's just so snaky. I
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: hate to say it's just the worst worst drivers, but yeah,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: New Yorkers is New York City. Everyone's going fast. They're
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: not as snaky and crazy and unpredictable though, I think.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: But everyone's going fast and aggressive. But but it's a little.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: What's the what's the number one traffic hazard? And oh
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: go ahead, no, I was finished. What's the number one
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: traffic hazard? In your parts? Are mainly you help from
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: Ethan Elk.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: It's so from my experience in the small town and
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: area that I'm from, it's you know, the worst thing
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: that might happen is you might get distracted at people
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: that are waving at you oncoming traffic.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 8: You know, it's I mean.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: But it was.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: It was very dangerous for the youth coming up. One
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: of the really dangerous things for young people was driving incidences.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: We don't have Elkin Vermont that they even I mean,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: we had, there's the Elkin Vermont, but they don't. They
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: do not come near the size of the ones I
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: encountered in Maine. Those are more like the size I've
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: encountered in Montana. And those are those sons of bitches
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: are huge.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: And there's moves too, which are you know they're obviously.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: Then they're even worse. I forgot about those.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you encounter one, I mean, if and god forbid,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: your your car does, it's intense. In fact, they'll charge
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: population in Maine.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 8: And maybe sorry, sorry I'm delaying, maybe too, what was.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: That we're both we're on a double I think I
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: was just saying this moose or mean, they'll get your
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: car right.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, there's no joke. Yeah, you gotta really.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: I think people are just so curious that they lose
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: respective them. But no, you got to respect the moose
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: and and especially in rutting season, they'll just take people out.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: But they're massive, and in recent years they've been suffering
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: from the tick inundation so much that like they're like
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: losing they can't even eat enough food to feed the
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: amount of parasites on them. So it's crazy the new
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that the winters aren't killing
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: the ticks or whatever is going on, but there used
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: to not be any problem like that, and now like
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: it's a problem for even like what should be one
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: of the hardiest animals.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: Right, no kidding.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: So, as we're approached to two hours or Ethan, I
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: want to say I appreciate your time and all this
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: conversation you too, Nick as will sir, and uh. I
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: guess got a couple of questions I like to remember
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: by both y'all here, and first of all, Ethan, what
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: i'd appreciate our conversations on the the occult rejects be
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: probably get into your books. I appreciate your conversations on
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: the occult rejects and sharing ideas with you there, and
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: I know we've I commute. I don' want to communicate
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: with probably all the occult rejects all, you know, outside
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: of shows. But you know, you and I have exchanged
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: a number of messages and I certainly certainly appreciate those
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: thoughts and ideas we exchanged there as well. So you've
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: shared with me some interesting stories. I want to want
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: to ask you to share one of those stories of
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: you anyone that you'd perhaps But what what's your favorite
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: show that you've done on.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: The Occult Rejects that you've participated in.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great one, got you. You know, I
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: don't want to say, but I've been inspired by symbolic studies.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: I been inspired by really the input from everyone on
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: a daily basis, and I've really enjoyed kind of hearing
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: concepts I've never really considered or don't consider often. Yeah, sure,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: so hard to say everyone honestly, like Nick and I
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: and Lisa and Jin did marijuana presentation, and I tried
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: the whole time in planning this presentation was to make
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: it as well put together and well spoken as all
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: the occult rejects.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: I watched that.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 8: I just tried.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: About it last week, so I definitely definitely enjoyed that one.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: Obviously enjoyed marijuana.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 5: So yeah, that one, that one was amazing. You know what,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 5: I actually really like the four when you did that.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 5: That's actually a topic. I've thought about asking you to
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 5: redo with the other people on the show, because I
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: think that would be really great with everybody.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: I'm down to the specific. There's a bunch of other
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: specifics that I'm sure I didn't get into, and I
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: can not necessarily repeat that that by that way, So you.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: Know what's actually interesting?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a really foundational thought.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: No, go ahead, go ahead and finish.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: I was just saying, it's a it's a foundational thought
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: pattern that really it's not entirely useful, but it's a
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: fantastic base as for consideration of situations or phenomena or anything.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a great base pattern. There's all kinds
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: of other ways to conceptualize things beyond it, but it's
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: a it's a really fantastic way to have a concrete start.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: I like it, And you got a good foundation, right,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: I like that what you've described to me of these principles.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: Of this philosophy. I do I do. I do like it.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: I would like to participate in the future conversation on
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: the topic. And I wasn't trying to put you on
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: this body, and I do apologize.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: If you No, I don't know not at all.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: I agree with Benjamin Selina's here that it was there's
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: so many tough questions, so many great topics. So it's, uh,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: it's a fair it's a fair assessment of the occult reason.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: I have definitely learned a lot of things that I
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to learn, even different things and different facets
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: of ways to look at things that I've conceptualized before.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: So it's I've been learning a lot, and and uh,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: interacting with all the great people.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: No, I appreciate it, and to that, to that, to
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: your note and to that note there on that matter
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: of four thoughts, I appreciate that. Pardon me, I appreciate
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: the time I do over there on the Knebes, the Purge.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: Caine's a great host of enjoyed co hosting with them
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: on these topics. We were actually over on a different
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: channel today doing a bit of an Abbott and Costello.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: Ida have four routine on a True Crime with Deega channel,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: which I enjoyed that conversation. But to the point where
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: I've crafting my thoughts and ideas, it's through sharing these
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: ideas and having these discussions where I've been able to
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: do that and the I'd have four case on King
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: Bees the Purge and I do the same thing over
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: there in the Cult Rejects. I've really evolved a lot
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: of my thoughts and a lot of the conversations just
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: not discussing my own ideas, but hearing stuff from you,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: Ethan and other folks that we and Nick has over
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: there on there.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: So I definitely appreciate all those.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: All those things because again it's uh, you know, can
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: rattle around these these thoughts and ideas in my own
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: brain hole, but it's getting these ideas out and hearing
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: myself and sharing ideas and hearing what they say to
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I do. I do try to craft uh
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: my my thoughts and ideas in a in a sharper
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: and more digestile format.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I was trying to be as good as
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: recent presentations.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: No, I think you did. You nailed it. I definitely
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: definitely enjoyed that.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Nice, nice yeah, and and as insightful the insight that
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: the rejects are always providing these v the different topics
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: is so great too, right to learning experience and then
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: the different input is fantastic.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't you ain't kidding.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: And as far as again as I said, I like
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: exchanging ideas with you, Ethan. It's helped me evolve some
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: of my thoughts on the way I look at some
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: things just here in the way you look at some
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: things as well, and exchanging ideas. But I'll tell you
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: another occult reject that I appreciate the exchange of ideas.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: It's really caused me to consider a few different things differently.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: And that's the mad scientist herself, Lisa, because she brought,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: you know, the whole idea of the theory of why
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: these German shepherds, Nick and I always talk about why
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: are these German shepherds always the victims of these you know,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: these rituals, And she, you know, she brought to our
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: attention that there's an aspect within the I'm not going
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: to do it proper, but essentially, whatever chemical they produce
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: in the bonding elements they produce.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: With with their with their you know, their own or whatever.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: That's the highest amount of that chemical producing any dog,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: like oxytocin. I don't think it's oxytocin. I think it's
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: something else, but it's something like that, right.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, I'm not sure.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 5: I know that the brain that that goes along with
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 5: the relationship.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it had the highest volume in the blood
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: for any dog, And you know that way that it's
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: they're you know, they're getting more out of the blood
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: that way, right, That's yeah, I mean, I know oxytocin.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: It might be oxytos I feel like she had a
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: different description of what it was.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: But maybe I'm maybe I'm.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: Just a couple. Sometimes the chemicals that are really beneficial
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: work in tandem, I've noticed, So it could be oxytocin
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: in another.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: German shepherds are the most directly related to wool wolves.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: In fact, really the main difference is that they found
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: the wolves are kind of inclined to be very independent
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: and not listen, but they kept on finding the wolf
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: that would listen. So they're they're super inclined to not
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: only bond, but but really serve and and please and
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: like be befriend. So yeah, interesting.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: For sure, and if I may, if I may, sure
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: my favorite guests and show we've done there is actually
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: a recent and we've done a lot. I mean, there's
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of shows I've enjoyed, and they got a
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: lot of shows I've been able to craft my thoughts
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: and theories on from maintain alaing cargo cults to ritual murders.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: You know, folks who probably see that my thoughts have
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: evolved in a lot of these subjects.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: Ever, over the couple last couple of years, I've been
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: a collaborative over over with the cult rejects, which again
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: I always appreciate that. And I'd say, but out of
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: all those shows, again, a lot of a lot of
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: great shows, a lot of great guests.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: We had Greg let On recently talking Mounds, and I'm
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: a Mound dude, and I've been following that dude on
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: Twister since I joined Twister, and uh, you know it's
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: like nine nine years ago, so you know, as a
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: pretty similar event and having a conversation.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: With that dude on Mounds, you know what I.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 5: Mean, that's ayes, I'm glad that happened.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: I recommend that shoe that was one where Gen Busted
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: has wizard skills.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah he yah, know that episode is really amazing, Like
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 5: I really thoroughly love that show.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A couple of times, the really insightful nuances have
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: really surprised me about subjects that I've read about, talked about, researched,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, some of the really nuanced, nuanced
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: level of thinking on different things has been really interesting.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we we all come from different places,
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: have different experiences, and thus have different perspectives, even though
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: they may be similar perspectives, but were similar conclusions with
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: different perspectives in.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: Which to reach their even yes and go yeah.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: I mean that's one thing I definitely appreciated about my
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: military career was having the ability to meet so many
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: people from so many different places, not only around the
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: world but around the US, and having an understanding of
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: just how different even folks around the US and places
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: can be.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: You know, yo, that's really.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Oh go ahead, no, please please.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: I was just yeah, well, I got a delay, go on,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: I just saw some dead air, so I was jumping,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: uh i.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: I supervised a different Puerto Rico one time.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: He was on that whole Uh No, he was obviously
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 3: an American, but that whole will teach you some English
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: if you joined the military situation, he he wasn't doing
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: too well in that program, so they went ahead and
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: graduated from basic training the Air Force Police Academy and
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: I get him as a young troop and I'm like, dude,
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: you don't speak any English, and he's just like shaking
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: his head, no oblow.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is gonna be weird. You know.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: You know, obviously I was, you know, we became friends,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: you know, I was. We used to go fishing. He
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: used to laugh at me because I'm a you know,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 3: a mountain stream fisherman, not fly fishermen, fishermen, but I
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: grew up fishing for trout in the mountains. And you know,
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: he's he's, you know, I laugh at him because he's
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: putting like marshmallow and corn on his on his uh
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: for bait to go cast in the water. I might do,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: what are you catching with that? And it turns out
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: he's catching a lot of big trout out of the
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: Missouri River. So I was, you know, he taught me
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: a thing or two. I'm just say it's it's interesting
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 3: how diverse even America can be when you started learning
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: all these different how you know, different areas of the
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 3: country are culturally speaking, not just Puerto Rico, but that's
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: a weird place.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we it used to be a
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: more powerful thing that coming together people.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 8: It's kind of been disregarded.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: And I had a military buddy he told me that
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: if there was, you know, a white guy that didn't
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: like a black guy, they would put him in with you,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: the brother of the group type of thing, and they
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: would become best friends.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: And by quite honestly, I didn't see a lot of
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: racism really, quite honestly in my my military career, very
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: few and far between.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was really really condumb from either.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: From any side. From any side. Yeah, sure, sure, I mean,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: I got I was I'm a big used to be
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: a big basketball player, so I got called Hitler's you know,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: youth by a number of times in the basketball court before.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, like any advice, first,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: I've seen it from every side. But I'm just saying, like,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: you know, overwhelmingly, these are not the standard. These are
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: you know, I never, I never was ever in a
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: situation in the military. I was like, you know what
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: these everyone around me seems racist, you know, at least outwardly.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I being a military police officer, you know
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: you run into a lot of guys that are pretty racist.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: But you know it's, uh, you know, it's not outwardly necessarily,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So there's not a culture of it,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: but you know there's obviously, you know, influences of it.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 8: Sure, sure, sure, Yeah.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: The only time I ever saw racism real bad. Go ahead.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: I was just say, the only time I ever saw
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: racism real bad, it was I assisted in an investigation
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 3: of a uh I mean the dude, the dude should
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: have died. I mean it was a attempted, attempted murder,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 3: but the dude, I mean, the dude barely pulled through.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: He was in a coma for like a month. He
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: got beat senseless. He was a prince All Freemason and
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 3: he got beat senseless by a bunch of other prince
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: All Freemasons who crazy.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it but.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: But when I say it was when I say, when
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: I say the racism aspect was my friend my dude
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: was the investigator for our unit, right, and I was
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: I was just the logistics student, swat team swat team leader.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: You know, so I had nothing to do with investigations normally,
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: but he, you know, he comes over ind my office
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: one day. He's like, dude, I'm in ane to come
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: sit with me on a number of interviews with folks,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: just just to be a presence. He's like, you don't
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: have to participate, just sit there because they he had
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: already done a couple of interviews and one dude literally
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: walked out of an interview. This so he's an investigator
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: on base, the police investigator. This dude walks out of
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: an interview yelling racial you know, you know, savings at him,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: basically saying, I'm never gonna answer your asking questions if
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: you that kind of thing.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: He's like, dude, this guy was three times my size.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, which dude was? He's like, he tells me.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I a seen him at Jim and
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: he'd kick your ass to a big time, you know,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: so you know, and he's like, you know so, but
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: like I wait to say that.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: People.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: Some folks got real heated because one dude kept saying,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: it's our business, not your business. And I'm like I
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: had to actually have. That was the time I actually
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: had to step up and say something. I'm like, well, dude,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: it's gonna bebout to be everyone's business because you're not
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: getting fuck out of here until you started answer some questions,
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: you know, because it was but there was a lot
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: of problems answering questions, and from everything I witnessed, it
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: was all racially motivated not wanting to answer our questions
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: because of we were white.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, you know what I mean.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: But it's you know again, yeah, well they were saying
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: their business, it's within the they whatever this dude did,
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: we never figured. No one ever got charged, No one
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: ever got charged because no conclusions were ever reached in
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: the investigation because no one talked.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: And no one talked.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: One thing we could determine was he did something internally
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: within their freemasonry system or whatever, and they don't want
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: and us asking questions was really offensive to them. And
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you do realize this is a law enforcement investigation.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: You are in the air force, you know, these are
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: these aren't cops, and there are these people like work
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: on the flight line or mechanics and stuff like that,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: you know, but you do realize that this it was
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: beats to near death on an air force base.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: You guys are in the military, right, Let's at least
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: pretend like it, you know. But that's really the only answer.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 8: I say, a whole different group level.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: Dude, they lived, Yeah, they lived in a different, different
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: set of circumstances, bro Like they you know, with the
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: things I was even saying to them, like they didn't
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: really it didn't really phase them. I didn't make any threats.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: I just said, you're not you know, things like you're
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: not leaving this room to answer some questions. You're already
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: been read your rights, buddy, you know, call you know,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: call your attorney. You need to call an attorney.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: But that's all.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: That's all it's going down here, you know. It's I'm
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: just explaining the reasonable circumstances that were taking. My friend
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: had to get these interviews on a record. My dude's like,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: I can't get these things done. These dudes were yelling
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: at me, the threaten to beat me up. I'm like,
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: all right, all right, I'll help you, you know what
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 3: I mean. But again, all of the all of the
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: the vitriol eyewitness was racially motivated you know, in that circumstances.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: But again they don't like, you know, whatever Masonic decision
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: was made there, you know, and we weren't allowed to
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: be asking questions.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: That could go for white free masonry too, I'm sure, right,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: you know, and they'd probably have a similar response, it
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: just wouldn't be as racially motivated.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. That's my own thing.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: That's my own experience that the military like that.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: That's a trip.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine beating the piss out of something like literally
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: I was killing a dude and then like you know,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: no one, no one's all accountable for it.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: And maybe they were up to something outside of the group,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: but via the group, and who knows what they were doing.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 8: But he crossed the line, mind you.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: I was apprehended two months after this event, same assignment
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: for attempted murder of uh, you know, a white fellow
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: he uh is long story, but dude jumped out his
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: own window of his dorms after he sliced his own
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: wrists up with with the with the glass he broke
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: from his mirror. This is all determined later. But he,
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: when I say, jumped out the window. He lived on
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: the first floor. But he did jump through the window
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: of the first floor. He got really drunk beforehand.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: He's a long story.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: Somehow, this guy I got pegged on this that I
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: literally got woken up in my in myit in South Korea,
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: in my dorm asleep, and I get literally handcoffed in
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: my bed and and and yanked out of bed. And
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: you know, to say I threw a conniption fit later
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: is probably an understatement, but nonetheless, like I, you know,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: I was blamed for these things. And uh, it turns
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: out when the dude came to at the hospital after
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: getting all sewed up from you know, numerous bleeding everywhere
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: kind of thing, because they someone just saw him laying
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: outside in the grass bleeding out, you know, like five
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: in the morning whatever, and you know, three three in
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: the morning. I think it was five in the morning
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: when they got me. But you know, I didn't get
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: the same treatment as those other guys. They really wanted
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: to charge me for that, and I was like, I
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: didn't do shit, you know what I mean, Like I'm
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: just saying like there's you know, people want to say,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: you know, cops are on trying to do shit to
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: you know what I was. You know, I was not.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: There was an hour and a half there. I don't
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: know what the fuck was going on. They're like, do
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: you want to make a statement, And me and my two,
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: my two dudes that I they also pulled out of
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: their beds and apprehended it for our same unit. We're
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: all we're all military police officers there. They all know us.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: In fact, my two you know, to my two associates there,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: my dudes, they were you know, on the spot team
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 3: with me and stuff like that. They were we were
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: all achievers in the unit as far as uh, you know,
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: leaders that is, you know, and uh, you know, and
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: they're like, do you want to make a statement.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, go fuck yourself.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: That's what I wrote, real big on the on the
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: statement and turned and I you know, obviously got yelled
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: at later from the commander about that. But you know,
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: that was my opinion on the matter, because again, there
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: was no one was signing off and pulling anyone out
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: of their beds, you know what I mean. There was
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: all this hands off stuff and this other investigation where
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: dudes literally beat to piss with witnesses. Right, we knew
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: who did it from the witnesses, but all the people
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: who did it, and they weren't talking, so you know,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: again it was all but it was all dropped. Meanwhile,
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: here I am, just two months later, here I am
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: getting pulled out of my bed getting charge of attempted
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: murder for no proof, no evidence. You see what I'm saying.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: You know, So as far as these ideas of racism go,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, I do you know, I got
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: treated way worse in my opinion, Yeah, it's not it's
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: not a relevant story other than just saying like, I
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, sometimes I think people get lost
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: in these concepts for saying everything is one way, right
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: for sure, I.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: Apologize took us on a long tangent there.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 8: No, it's interesting.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 5: It was a good Uh, it's a good storytelling.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: I figured you like the figured like the Prince all
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: Freemasonry one.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it's interesting. Nobody got trouble obviously, No.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: Dude, they not dude, No one I do. I'm I'm so,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: I'm I get I'm unofficially the co investigator and this
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: as a result of being the guy in the room
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: and during the interviews, so I'm there when people are
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: explaining like nothing's happening, and the base Commander's like, look,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: we're just gonna this. This is no one's getting charged,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: you know, going past et cetera. You know, there's a
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: bunch of bunch of decisions made it the higher ranks
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: than me obviously, But I was in the room when
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: I was you know, the lead investigators told this, nothing's
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: gonna come of this, and I was like, oh shit, dude.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: I remember staying there like, how the fuck does no
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: one I'd been in a lot of trouble already at this.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: Point in my career, you know, thankfully maintaining my rank,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: mostly drinking related incidents of tom foolery, but you know,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: the uh nonetheless, like come on, like, how do you
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: how do you just like know everyone on base knew
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: what happened. There was like a dozen witnesses like it
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: was a thing, you know what I mean, Like and
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: you're just like, nope, nope, no one's getting hell accountable.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: Like it left a weird environment and atmosphere for a while.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: That's shortly there, you know, when that got out on.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: A four thousand, you know what I mean, no one's
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: got their families, it's a remote No one's got their
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: families with them, so it's a tight knit community.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: And everyone's kind of on their own, but together on
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: their together. I knew anyway. I've always wondered in that sense,
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: like that's such a gangster thing, like to get beat
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: up and not tell, right, Like that's a really actually
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: like enforced situation in prison. Often like you if if
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: you know it's to a certain point, if you get
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: into a fight and you're okay, you don't tell, and
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: that way it doesn't happen again, or it doesn't happen
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: more severely. And so that's the end that these Masons
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: have it built into them to do it too.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 8: It's just it's so criminal.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: I had that lockdown too. There was no inclination anyone
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: was ever going to break. In fact, the mere suggestion
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: of us even asking a question was met with outrage
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: right right, And that's why I had explained to it
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: due I'm like, you do realize, dude, And this dude's
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: a master's sergeant and I'm a staff sergeant, and I'm like,
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 3: you do realize dude, this end of that. We're police officers.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: You've been read your rights. You need to answer questions
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: and or call an attorney. And say you're not going
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: to answer questions, you know, contact the area defense counsel
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: and you secure defense counsel and officially write down you're
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: not can answer questions. At that point in time, it
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: was simply a formality for me to help my my
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: dude get this stuff on paper, because again there's people
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: freaking out about it, you know people, you know. I
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: just didn't want to see any more turmoil over and
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: on a Lena wanted to see the matter get resolved,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: considering I'd read all the witness statements that later got deleted,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: So I was a you know what I mean, So
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: like most of the mostly base.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: Didn't really know what went on there, right, much like
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: things So when I when I see police cover ups
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: today like the Idaho four case, I understand I have
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: an innate understanding of how these things operate because I've
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: seenked it. Maybe familiar with the case out of UH
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: I won't say a lot of Maybe famber the case
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: out of Michigan the number of years back. It was
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: an infamous kind of case that was blowing open the media.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: It was a Michigan Salfridge Air National Guarden Air Force
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: Reserve base were a handicapped fellow drove through the gate
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: just because he got lost, and the military police officers
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: of the gate immediately opened fire. Came a big issue
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: in lawsuit because they marked that dude pretty quick. At
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: least they someone trained them, well at least, you know
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: what I mean. So, you know, I and I saw
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: how that whole thing went down, and I'm just saying
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: there's been a number of Vincent's.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: I personally wentness room. It's like, all right, well this
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: You know, I see how this thing's work, and you
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: know these kind of uh you know, when I end
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 3: with the Prince all freemasons. Well, I don't know who
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: the top prints tall dude was on base. I had
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: a couple of friends from the basketball courts and whatnot,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: you know, and uh, the gym that had explained to
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: me that I just you know, at a certain point
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: we were halfway through those investigations that I needed to
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: just call it a day. You know, one that does
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 3: is the one you just seed to call it today.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: J JM. I don't know what that means, Bud, you
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: know what I mean.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: So, no one wanted any question, like the whole thing,
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: like someone was coming the shots behind the scenes. There
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: they you know, with it, and again they kept everyone
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: kept their mouth shuts. The base leadership of ultimately was
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: just like it's gotten weird for us. And you know,
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: maybe they were white Masons. I don't know how these
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: Mason things work, but you know.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I just watching all that goes down.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: This makes me provided me a very unique perspective on
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: how some things get covered up, because I could see
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: the whole base in this tiny community not know anything
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: about the.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 8: Detailed story, understandle story.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: Exactly and the story they got and that was not
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: the whole story, and they and how it affected them
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: because again, it got weird around a four thousand person
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: remote base because everyone knew this dude almost fucking died.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was no secret. Well and everyone, you know.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: A dozen people see it, they tell a dozen people,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 3: they tell a dozen people. Right suddenly the entire town knows,
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: Like Moscow, Idaho, one morning back in November twenty twenty two,
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: when suddenly folks start texting everybody between the hours of
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: like four and seven, Well, I assure you buy e
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: thirty that entire time.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: What a fucking moon and in the same regard.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: They now see the the outcome of the results of
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 3: that case, and I'm sure they have experienced a similar
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: atmosphere amongst some of those townsfolk that we experienced on
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: that base because this dude, again, you know, in the
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: middle of the middle of the summer night, in plain
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: view of lots of people, they had no problem picking
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: up a huge trash can and beating the dude's skulling
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: on the sidewalk. This is after he had had numerous
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: broken ribs and everything else. So this is the level
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: of they didn't give a fuck I'm talking about. Right,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: There was no concern of being held accountable there, but
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: it certainly that air of lack of accountability.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: It hit home, I assure you, across the entire the
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: entire base. And on that same note, dude, they try
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: to fry me. Dude, they try to frime me.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: Months earlier this I broke a dude's leg in an
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: amateur soccer match and we played. I was on the
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: base team, I was the defensive captain, and we played
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: in a local amateur soccer leage around Korea as well.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 3: You know, I indvertently broke a dude's leg in a
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: clearly legal slide to nonetheless, do they try to make
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: an international incident out of that? Meanwhile, dude's face got
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: stomped in by a trash can and full of you,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: of a lot of people, and they're like, no, we're
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: not even doing ithing about this. So you see, you
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: understand the injustice I was seeing within this short period
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: of time in my life. It's uh, it left a
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: lasting impression. But I hear Nick would enjoy the Prince
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: all Freemasonry.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: What are your what are your thoughts on cover ups?
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: You used to do some p I work there in
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: your earlier days.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 3: Even that was the one story I wanted wanted to
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: ask you on this long tangent of trying to land
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: this year's show, that I appreciate about you just times
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 3: I've enjoyed some of your tails.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: You've shared about the PI times you've done. Yeah, before
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: your days of.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: Being an author, philosopher or sir, you were doing some
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: p I work in Boston. I find that very intriguing.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: I was inspired to get the PI experience because I
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: wanted to be an author, you know, the next great
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: detective novel, as I said, which I still might have
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: in me we'll see. I guess I put off writing fiction.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 8: So much that it hasn't happened yet.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: Although I've written a couple of fiction works, I tend
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: to focus on non fiction philosophy. But it was very interesting.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are you know, it's a very you
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: have to be a little a moral, you know, it's
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: kind of there's you're you're crossing the gray line of
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: you know, what's right and wrong if you will, you know,
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: But I found it was it was most frequently, at
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: least at my level, although they did have some more
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: you know, interesting operations and clients. The level that I
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: dealt with was cheating spouses and insurance.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and the insurance frauds was was a big
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: thing too. So it was it was all in all,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: you know, very you know, typical work that I did.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: It was it was interesting talking with authorities, you know,
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: because you're you're in at least in the state I
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: was in Massachusetts. I think the rule, I don't know
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: how law it is, but the idea if you were
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: a p I was that you were supposed to inform
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: the local police that you were doing so and contracted
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: to do so, and you would be at a certain
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: space at a certain time, and that way, if they
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: got any calls, they would you know, say oh yeah,
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: we'll we'll check on it early. Yeah, very you know,
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: they were they knew what was going on. So uh,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: sometimes we would do that, and sometimes we wouldn't, or
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: sometimes I was told not to rather so that that
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: sometimes would put you in different spots to where like
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: you're in yeah, you know, you might you know, you
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: don't know what has occurred the last seven days, and
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: you were told to park in the same parking spot
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: as the last.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 8: Seven days as other twerp's doing your.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: Job, and you go there and they're automatically vibing, and
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't realize that everyone was stressing out
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: until you leave and there's like, you know, ten police
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: cars down the street.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: Waiting for you, right.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: Just waiting more or less kind of waiting, you know
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: that when you leave and giving the appearance that they're
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: about to do something, maybe to people knowing that you're
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: just a PI and in fact kind of kind of
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: not not backing you up, but just letting you do
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: your thing because you told them that you were there
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: or explained to them that you were right.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: Because you've got to do that, right.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to, and and then realizing on your way
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: out by seeing all them that every neighbor must have
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: been talking about you, and everyone that walked by you
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: was actually checking you.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 8: Out and not just walking by, and you know it,
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Karen's cool. Or of course you know I have.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: I have a kind of you know, a soft personality,
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: unsuspecting appearance, you know. So it was you know, people
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: weren't necessarily you know, confrontational with me.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 8: Automatic, but yeah, it was curious.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, no, I think people were you know,
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: uh more, I didn't. I didn't fit the bill, you
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, they didn't think The last thing
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: they thought was that I was a private detective more
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: cre marijuana or something.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, it was interesting. I learned a lot.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you when when you get into a
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: realm where there's a bunch of different people, you learn
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: about people and how we're similar and different.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 8: I I'm I realized that we're.
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: Kind of creepy to think about.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 3: But as your job, you're watching your you're you're analyzing,
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 3: you're taking notes.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, you learn a lot doing these things, right.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, it's interesting how easy it is
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: to tell somebody and how easy it is to observe
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: somebody in that respect.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 8: People borderline, very very borderline.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, not generally unless they're really up to something right,
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: then then.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 8: They're on right.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: Then they're hyper apparent right, and then that's the even
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: easier to kind of track in some regards.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I found there was a few different types of
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: fellow PISA and there were kind of the former military guys,
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: and there were the detective type of guys they might
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: have had police experience, and then there was like the
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: wild card that was total conspiratorial minded. I found that
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: there were quite a few of those type of guys
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: that were really knowledgeable to some nuanced things in the world,
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: and we're also doing this private detective work.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: I would offer a fourth class, I like where you're
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: at with that, and analyze these different groups. The fourth
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: class I would call soldiers of Fortune, not you know,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: actual mercenaries, the folks that would subscribe to the magazine
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: Soldiers of Fortune and then order all the gear and
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 3: kit in the back of it, because then you know,
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 3: it's the folks to show up with, you know, three
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars worth of tat equipment, but have no tactical
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 3: skills whatsoever.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, can't reload their gun, that kind
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: of you.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 3: Those kind of folks, A lot of the folks that
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 3: and I'm not trying to diminish their person or character,
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: but they couldn't qualify for the military, right and then
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 3: you know, then they go be a security garden oftentimes
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: end up being PI security firms and stuff like that.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: And it's these characters that I've found to be kind
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: of wild cards because they think there's some sort of
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 3: rambow or something like that. Little do they know they
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: have no skill sets whatsoever.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 8: That's a that's a good observation.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 3: I have supervised a number of these characters as well
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 3: in my Air Force career. Sadly, again, I'm not trying
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: to diminish my my folks I served with, which I
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 3: certainly appreciate all all the folks I served with them,
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: just saying when you have the lowest as of AB score,
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 3: the lowest qualifying score on the aptitude test which to
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: qualify for the Air Force, you qualify for security forces,
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: the military police and security function of the Air Force
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 3: in infantry, funk kind of they do. We did haved
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 3: some infantry details off of the Army Infantry training and manuals.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: So that was those were the core functions for the
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: most part.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 3: But in that regard you deal with a lot of
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: you know, jar head kind of mentality if you will,
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 3: and you know lowest ASVAP score that you know, some
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: of those same characters who do qualify for the military services,
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 3: they really don't have much to offer, but you know, nonetheless,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 3: uh you know, and they are tough to get to
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: do anything, you know what I mean, because they you know,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not lying, you do. There's a guy that you know,
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 3: I starved with. His name was Ed's. I called him
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: Special Ads because somehow he made staff sergeant. We were
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 3: stay together in Montana. I see him again in Ohio
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: years later, we're both staff stargeants.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: With this points. He was like two ranks ahead of
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: me when I first saw him. I don't know, but he.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 3: Couldn't qualify on his weapon. I'm like, well, due, how
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: you're gonna be a cop if you can't even how
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: did you get here?
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 3: So they assigned him to ride around me for a
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 3: few months for medial training and stuff. Have to go
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 3: to the range with the dude all the time. He
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: just couldn't get it to I don't know what was
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 3: going on in the dude's life. You can't hit a
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 3: target from ten years away, Bud, what's going on in life?
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, not the circle. Just just hit a target.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So this is what I
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: mean by no skill sets them no.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 3: Skill sets that are applicable to the circumstances in which
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 3: they're trying to accomplish. Right, So I'm just saying I've
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 3: met that we all thought was another. He's the last
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: I seen to him. He was the head of security
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: of TSA at the Dayton Airport. So it's you know,
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 3: it's kind of it's kind of the people I think
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: to go to the TSA kind of activities to these
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 3: you know, same same, the same kind of components you
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: you layed to the private investigation and security industry. I
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 3: would say that TSA kind of falls with in that
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: kind of same dynamics as well. Yeah sure, but if
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 3: you if you wonder why TSA can't find anything at
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: security checkpoints, well, I you know, at least the Dton
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: Airport for a while. The head of security there, I
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 3: mean he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: from ten meters away with a pistol, dude, And what
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: else is he gonna If you can't hit that, what's
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: he finding any kind of baggage or you know whatnot
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. They end up discharging this too. Just
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 3: he couldn't qualify for his job, and I was like,
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: I I kind of felt bad, But it wasn't in
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: my failures at all.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, again, I do, I've never seen anyone shoot
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: so bad Jod.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: He'd been in longer than me and technically outranked me
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 3: in time and service time and like grade in service
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: and whatnot. So it wasn't a factor of that he'd
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: had enough time. I mean, I don't know how he
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 3: got that far, you know.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: And do you think you'd be able to I mean,
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not a practice well practiced shooter, but you think
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: you'd be able to adjust your shot with more practice?
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Dude, he couldn't. I couldn't do anything.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get him to do anything, dude.
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 3: It was just I mean, at one point time I
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 3: thought it was just a motivation factor, right, But then like,
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I really couldn't figure it out. But
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 3: I felt, I honestly felt like a failure bit because
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 3: I couldn't get the guy to it was the first
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 3: person I could never get to right to shoot right
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: when the first person id tught on a range, you
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, I just the first person, I
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 3: felt and accomplishing a goal of getting him to.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: Hit the target from nearly right in front. So it's
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: pretty exact.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 3: I reciprocate your your sentiments analysis there on the industry
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: of the PI industry was not an industry I really found.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: It wasn't for me. It wasn't for me.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's a.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: It's it's amoral. You gotta be amoral to do it.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: You gotta kind of, like you said, you're following people
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: all the time, and like maybe, you know, maybe you
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: encounter a woman that's maybe being fraudulent on your on
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: her insurance, but I mean, you know, maybe she's some
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: poor lady, you know, and it's a kind of does
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: your head in for me.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 8: It did my head in too much.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: No too, I totally agree with you. I understand what
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 3: you're saying for sure. You know, so you worked in
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 3: more of a corporate fashion, right I just worked. I
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 3: had my own little operation, but I'm sure it's even
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 3: kind of worse in the corporate fashion.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they they had good they were pretty busy.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: So and and Duff must have had corporate accounts with
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: the insurance companies. Yeah, so yeah, it was it was yeah,
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: probably that maybe they weren't cheating. Maybe they weren't. I
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: don't know, but like they're probably broke some of them.
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: Some of them were just outright cheats, you know, nice
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: house not you know, not being honest, like that's not cool.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 8: But some of them are like, you know, some poor
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 8: lady in the ghetto. It's just like, oh God, like
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 8: I don't want to do.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: This, right, No, I hear you, man, I hear you. Yeah.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 8: That was that was the last draw. That was the
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 8: last draw.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to film some poor woman in this
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 1: really ghetto part of Boston that was supposedly ripping off
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: the insurance and.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 8: I was like I can't but no, no, no, she
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 8: maybe had been, but I don't know.
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: It just seemed to me like I just can't go
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: around being a working for insurance companies. They're they're I know,
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: they're awful, And maybe some of these people are too,
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: but I know the insurance company is awful.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the large way I left law enforcement,
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: you know, any any future in law enforcement. Years back,
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 3: I never really considered taking another job after the Air
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 3: Force because I just didn't agree with a.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: Lot of the circumstances and environments. I was well aware
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: of that by that point.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of my a lot of my
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 3: latter half of my career was all administrative stuff for
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 3: the most part, and managing things at headquarters and you know,
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 3: another nonsense. But yeah, I just knew that wasn't for me,
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 3: you know, much like you're describing how I kind of
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 3: ended up through the PI world.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: It was wasn't for me.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 3: But I appreciate those sales, Ethan, that's fantastic. I think
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 3: your skill sets are better served as the master ty
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 3: chief philosopher and author there, Sir.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: Appreciate that, Yeah, for sure, And it's been fun to
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: share ideas as always.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: Well, before I bring this in for land in here
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 3: fellas and I like to pass it back over to
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: Ethan for some any closing comments in our discussion, But Nick,
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 3: I'd like to ask you, first, sir, what's your favorite
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 3: occult reject show that you know, Ethan and I guess
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 3: and myself has participated and he's again I definitely appreciate
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 3: the team you've you've compiled over there.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's a very unique certain dynamic you've you've achieved.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 5: You know, with Ethan's show, it's pretty much the same
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 5: answer that he said and what I said his last prison.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 5: The last one I thought was the presentation was done
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 5: really good. But uh, his his one on the four.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 5: You know, I got a lot out of that myself
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 5: when he first approached he came on.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 4: Uh and well actually the first one.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 5: He came on was I think was the Patriot and
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 5: the other stuff in the four. I think he might
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 5: have came on like the second time. I got a
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 5: lot out of that, and I had even said I
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 5: would like to revisit that again with other occult rejects,
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 3: So yeah, perhaps I can add one caveat. Has Ethan
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: ever had agen the Wizards? Remember there where he's you know,
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: to like much for Greg Little was like, uh, oh man,
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 3: I just this is wild stuff. Have you do you
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 3: recall an incident where Ethan's kind of left an impression
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 3: like that and anything in any of these shows.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: I'll let you go for I do. But that's what
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: I'm asking you.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I was saying the one with the four, I
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 5: mean that helped me the four Yeah, yeah, well yeah,
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 5: we're getting on like the whole four and thing there.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 5: Looking at it, it kind of helped me like kind
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 5: of bring all the ideas that I had.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 3: And can can you rehash this as a general philosophy
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: of those four concepts of nature?
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 8: Absolutely? Well, it can kind of be.
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 1: Anything in a sense, and that's partly why at first
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: it seems too simple to be useful, but in fact
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: it's broadly useful. But one of the ways you can
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 1: look at it is the tai Chi symbol, or what
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: we know as the yin yang. It is kind of
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 1: a bad name for it because it has more than
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 1: the over two parts. It's got the the two swirls,
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: and then the two dots within the dot when it
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 1: within each.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 8: Swirl is also a considered part. So there are major
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 8: and minor yin and yang.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting. All of mathematics is based on the
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: four operations of arithmetic, and really it's likely that all
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 1: spheres in orbit of each other have four seasons because
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 1: of this equinox and solstice naturally occurring orbit of of
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 1: the spheres. Uh So for it, it really is a
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: useful concept. Another mathematical but also philosophical way to begin
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: to use it as an observational tool is called the
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 1: tetra lima, and it is represented by A or B.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 5: Or a b or x.
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: So this kind of is illustrated in the Hegelian dialectic
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 1: of thesis, anti thesis and synthesis. Excuse my lisp, and
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: the fourth aspect I call nlysis. But it's really an
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: interesting formula to kind of observe many different situations and
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: leads to the eight too, as Nick mentions here, in
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 1: the sense that one sense that you have the yin
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: yang symbol of those two main elements, but really the
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 1: four parts in total, which is often depicted surrounded by
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 1: the eight elements of the bagua just one one of
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: the many iterations of this four and eight. But it's
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: a The four is a really powerful tool. In fact,
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 1: quite a bit of my book is readable online for
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: free without having to buy it, and many.
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: Of my artists else, so so it's uh.
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 8: Matrix of four.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: You can find my weebly website where I share a
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: bunch of articles and so forth.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 8: And in the book, the introduction is quite.
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 1: At least gives a good idea to how one can
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 1: assimilate it and integrate it and use it.
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 3: And I have your links in the but for both
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 3: of you jents and the show notes, there's been questions
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 3: about some Cule reject shows and then your your links
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 3: through in the show notes as well.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 8: There appreciate it. Appreciate everything.
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: And yeah, as as an independent author, you know thing
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: the cosmos, it's been just an honor and uh like
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: elation to be down with you guys, and the Occult
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: Rejects have have a crew of perceptive thinkers.
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 8: Is so great. So I appreciate everything.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 3: No, I appreciate the same. And if I may share
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 3: with you you recently again there was a very much
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 3: conversations a couple months back we were having. It was
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 3: that right after an Occult Rejects conversation, there were some
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: nuclear weapons being discussed, and we had back and forth
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 3: on some nuclear weapons stuff, and you started comparing things
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 3: to ARCon. Yeah, this theory in arcons and and nukes
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 3: and and uh I was I find it very uh,
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 3: you know, very you know, very interesting and certainly bounced
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 3: fround my brain hole for a while. So if you don't,
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 3: you don't mind sharing that with us, i'd appreciate that.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, well, I actually in the in a book
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 1: I wrote called The.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 3: If I May, If I made that's that's what I
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 3: would call your wizard's research. That was that would be
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 3: your ethan wizard moment you got there with us.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 8: Accused. Yeah, no, I get accused of being a wizard
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 8: just for the tai chi practice.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 3: But again, dropping these wild thoughts on some folks, this
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 3: is you know, yeah, I had some wizardry skills.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 1: It's uh, it's a really grounding practice though even though
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 1: it looks like, you know, it looks like wizardry, it's
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 1: very It's all about rooting and grounding with nature and
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 1: the earth. And you can't do tai chi in space
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 1: because there's no grounding.
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 3: No, for sure, when I say wizardy, I'm just being
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 3: as smart ass as far as i'm suggestions and ideas
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 3: you present and the very mind uh you know, very
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 3: again some concepts despite everything I've considered, nothing I had
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 3: considered before.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I appreciate that, man, and I get
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: all kinds of insights.
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 8: From you, and they rejects as well.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 1: The I put this idea into the Terra's letters, not Terror,
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: but Terra like Tierta, like like Earth, and uh. The
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 1: the idea of the ARCon, it literally means a governor, controller,
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 1: the arc leader, but it from the Gnostics it means
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 1: there's a there's a few inferences that we can gather
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 1: from what the Gnostics took to be the Arcons, that
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 1: they are from this solar system and do not like humans.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: And there I think I allegorize them as being like parasites,
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 1: having a very parasitic metaphysical parasitic.
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 8: Activity, right.
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 1: And in fact, if you look at some of the
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 1: Vein literature, they don't use the very idea of knocks
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 1: of arkans rather, of course, but they do have this
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 1: idea that there is a being inside of our head
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 1: that is about the size of the tip of our thumb,
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 1: that is controlling our actions and so forth. And of
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: course the riddle in that is that it's actually you.
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 1: The thumb is you, the head is it's all you.
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 1: But the I think the suggestion in there is one
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 1: of influence, whether it's physical parasite or metaphysical parasite or
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 1: even parasitic.
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 8: Ideas that we might hold and so forth.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 1: But the idea with arcons is that, yeah, they came
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: to earth and don't like humans and steer us to
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: fight each other.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 8: They don't they don't actually do anything. They're capable.
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 2: What do they look like?
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 1: They they're perhaps this is this is the result of
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 1: an archontic infection.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 2: My character I see, ah.
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 1: My, the the character in that book suggests that are
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 1: there's two different main types of arcontic infection, one that
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 1: makes you aggressive and fat, and the other makes you
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 1: passive and skinny. So that's not necessarily true. But but
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: the character in the book supposes this.
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 8: Whether he's right or wrong is to be argued. It's
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 8: more of a you know, a concept.
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 1: But but I think in relation to that, I allegorize
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 1: the archonic infection of the mind as similar to the
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 1: physical infection of the body via toxoplasmosis gandhi. Toxoplasmosis Gandhi
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 1: is a cat and rat infection. It's life cycle takes
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 1: place in feline stomachs. It's really dependent on that, but
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 1: it seeks out mice or rats who are influenced in behavior,
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 1: and they become more of Essentially, they become risk takers,
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 1: and their biggest fear becomes an attraction, and their biggest
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 1: fear is the smell of cat and cat urine. And
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 1: instead those are infected with toxoplasmosis, they bow to the
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 1: they go, they seek out the cat.
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then the life.
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 2: It's almost like a possession rights.
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 8: It's kind.
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: It's a behavioral modifying parasite. And there are many of
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 1: these in nature, not so many that are looked at
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 1: in humans, but toxoplasmosis has been looked at. In fact,
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 1: it's like the main thing a pregnant woman might be
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 1: concerned with is being around cats because of toxo.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 2: What'd you call it to Gandhi?
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 8: Actually, that's right, yep, yeap plasmosis. Gandhi is the Gandhi.
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 8: That's a great one.
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 1: This Gandhi. Yeah, this Gandhi is g O n.
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 8: D I I I believe, But that is funny. I appreciate.
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 4: UH.
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 1: The The main aspect of its infection in humans, besides
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 1: being very dangerous to the UH beings of a pregnant woman,
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 1: is that it actually can cause behavioral modification in man too,
• 2:47:42
  Speaker 1: and it suppresses the fear of risk taking, and it
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 1: actually that the study concludes that it makes women are
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 1: more attracted to people infected with toxic So like like,
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 1: it's got a lot of very strange influences behavior modification
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 1: on humans. And so I kind of get into this
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 1: aggressive nature of people that are taken up by would
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 1: be arcontic ideas and this passive nature to people that
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 1: are you know, taken up by these arconic ideas, just
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 1: like the cat and the rat. So that that story
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 1: I juxtapose the prohibition of cannabis, the global prohibition of cannabis,
• 2:48:38
  Speaker 1: and the global promotion of nuclear experiment. So it's pretty
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 1: he entertaining.
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I I.
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 1: Explore the arcontic infection in a pretty humorous way and
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 1: provocative and people are you know, the various reactions I
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 1: get might go from how dare you make fiction of this?
• 2:49:01
  Speaker 1: This is all true? To wait.
• 2:49:07
  Speaker 8: True?
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 2: So it's yep your price for a second.
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 1: Did I did I.
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 8: Come through there? Did I lose you?
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 1: I was saying that the various reactions, the various reactions
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 1: I might get very from how dare you make this
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 1: into fiction?
• 2:49:26
  Speaker 2: This is true?
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 8: And need you know you need to put this in
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 8: nonfiction all the way too.
• 2:49:32
  Speaker 1: Is this real?
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 8: I don't think this is fiction.
• 2:49:36
  Speaker 1: Is this real? So it's it's entertaining, procative kind of
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 1: juxtaposition of these very global kind of situations.
• 2:49:47
  Speaker 2: No, for sure, I I enjoy those.
• 2:49:49
  Speaker 3: Like I said, that's a very mind it's very mind
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 3: to provoking thoughts you present there in that theory.
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 2: And I certainly enjoyed it myself.
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 1: You know what, if I can toot my own horn,
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 1: Jim Mahr's r I P. He gave me a review
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 1: for the Terrorist Letters, and he communicated with me essentially
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 1: the same thing. He said, Ethan, you may not be
• 2:50:16
  Speaker 1: too far off this is this may be more true
• 2:50:19
  Speaker 1: than fiction, essentially. So, and he and this guy, you know,
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 1: he you know, not only did he research the j
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 1: f K, but he did he researched the UFO phenomenon
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 1: and had the best selling book on that for decades.
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 3: And her politics, you know, the Nazis, the rise of
• 2:50:41
  Speaker 3: the forth right. He didn't need a number of good books.
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 3: I've had a lot of Jim.
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 2: Exception, you should you should mention that that's a great act, lady, Ethan.
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exceptional researcher and a veteran. He was a veteran,
• 2:50:55
  Speaker 1: which which which in the end severely impacted him.
• 2:50:59
  Speaker 3: I believe yep, yep, as it does many, as it
• 2:51:02
  Speaker 3: does many, and I do do slute all those folks service,
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 3: even the ones I was saying earlier, may not have
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 3: the mental capacity to accomplish a lot of things like
• 2:51:10
  Speaker 3: cohort special ads there stop by at the local date
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 3: and tsa say hello the uh No, I appreciate both
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 3: your gens times. Any last statements there, Nick before we
• 2:51:21
  Speaker 3: call her night here on Fridays.
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 5: No check out the occult rejects, Pitch You Rumble, YouTube
• 2:51:28
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• 2:51:30
  Speaker 2: And Ethan Sir, any last davement before we call her in.
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I just I love you guys. I appreciate being
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 1: included in such perceptive minds. So I just thank you
• 2:51:41
  Speaker 1: again for including me and all all these wonderful things.
• 2:51:44
  Speaker 1: I just saw a note from Headless. He says Jim
• 2:51:47
  Speaker 1: Myers was a scientologist.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct.
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 1: So there you go. This is always there's always a
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  Speaker 1: cult reject that knows knows more.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Well, I appreciate both your gens Times and
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 3: the folks of the interwebs as well. Hope you enjoyed
• 2:51:59
  Speaker 3: the Fridays and Ethan will certainly have you back in
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 3: the future. And I look forward to future occult reject shows.
• 2:52:05
  Speaker 3: And folks of the internwebs want to check out tales
• 2:52:07
  Speaker 3: of my old soccer turned multi state homicidal maniac, serial killer, hypnotists,
• 2:52:14
  Speaker 3: controlled maniac, perhaps my controlled assassin Buffalo Jared. Please tune
• 2:52:21
  Speaker 3: into Operation GCD Sundays at a PM Eastern time. And
• 2:52:26
  Speaker 3: on that note, thank you all, and thanks folks the interwebs.