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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced God, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and crew.
- 0:50S5: Memories are a funny thing. They can be, they can
- 0:54S5: be not so good, obviously. And they can be tremendous.
- 0:59S5: And usually there's nothing mundane. It's either bad or great.
- 1:04S2: Yeah. I mean, the things that stand the test of
- 1:08S2: time in our minds. I mean, most people can't remember
- 1:11S2: what they ate two days ago or even yesterday couldn't
- 1:14S2: recount everything that they ate. But yeah, certain things get
- 1:18S2: kind of seared into your brain. Good or bad? You're right.
- 1:21S5: Yeah. How long have we worked together? You and me, Allie.
- 1:24S2: Uh, boy, we're coming up on nine years.
- 1:26S5: Okay. There was one time and one time that I
- 1:30S5: remember when it went south. I, I forget, I forget
- 1:34S5: what was even going on. I forget what was going on.
- 1:38S5: But I was getting chippy with Allie, and.
- 1:42S2: I probably got chippy back.
- 1:43S5: Yeah, but I'm not going to offer that.
- 1:45S2: I'll offer.
- 1:46S5: It. But we got we started getting a little chippy
- 1:49S5: and then Allie did the right thing. We were about
- 1:52S5: to go on air. Allie goes, I need a minute.
- 1:55S4: I do remember that. No.
- 1:58S5: And now he says, I need a minute. And out
- 2:01S5: the door she went.
- 2:02S2: I think I probably went and hung out in the
- 2:04S2: ladies restroom for like five minutes.
- 2:07S5: It wasn't.
- 2:07S2: Long. No, like five minutes to just kind of cool
- 2:10S2: things off. And, you know, there's nothing like trying to
- 2:13S2: go back onto the radio and. Oh, boy. Thankfully, that's
- 2:19S2: been a lot of years.
- 2:20S5: Oh, that was that was at least seven years.
- 2:21S2: We were in the old studio. Oh, at that time,
- 2:23S2: because I remember that swinging door, pushing that swinging door
- 2:26S2: like I'm out of here.
- 2:31S5: Howie, I love you, kiddo.
- 2:32S2: Oh, boy. We've had we've had some memorable moments over
- 2:35S2: the years.
- 2:36S5: I'm crying right now. Those are tears of joy. Oh,
- 2:39S5: so that wasn't a bad one. I mean, there's way
- 2:41S5: worse than the marketplace, for crying out loud. I have
- 2:44S5: to work together for so many hours as a poor girl.
- 2:46S5: Pray for her. I mean, it's it's. But it's good.
- 2:50S2: It's a joy. And it's yeah, it's it's, it's always
- 2:53S2: an adventure. Because the thing about doing a radio show
- 2:58S2: like this? Is that you? You really you really can't
- 3:00S2: fake it. And so when in that moment, there was
- 3:04S2: really no way that we could go on radio and
- 3:06S2: kind of sound in any way natural together, united when they're,
- 3:12S2: you know, when we had had kind of that moment
- 3:14S2: of friction. And so it was.
- 3:17S5: I cannot even tell you what it was about. All
- 3:19S5: I can tell you is what the downstream was. And
- 3:22S5: all I know is that for a few minutes, I'm like,
- 3:25S5: should I go look for her? Okay. She'll be back.
- 3:28S5: All right. Everything's fine.
- 3:29S2: She'll be back. Right? She is coming back. She didn't, like,
- 3:32S2: go all the way out.
- 3:34S5: Oh, I knew that wasn't the case. No, no. Oh
- 3:37S5: goodness sakes, it's funny. I'm laughing. I'm laughing. I got
- 3:40S5: tears coming down my face.
- 3:42S2: I'm glad to know that I've influenced you in that way.
- 3:43S2: I don't think you were a cry laugh before I
- 3:46S2: got here.
- 3:47S5: No, that was I don't know that I was.
- 3:49S2: I tear.
- 3:50S5: Up.
- 3:50S2: Every time I cry. It's. It's embarrassing because it always
- 3:53S2: looks like I'm laughing way harder than the moment requires. Yeah.
- 3:57S2: And so like everybody else is normal, laughing and tears
- 4:00S2: are streaming down my face. And I'm like, no, really,
- 4:02S2: this is just how I laugh.
- 4:05S5: So we've had so many good memories here. I mean,
- 4:09S5: I can list them on and on. We were doing
- 4:11S5: a remote one time at a church, not a remote.
- 4:15S5: We were at an event. I just remember being with
- 4:17S5: Ali and Henry and their two kids, and just my
- 4:21S5: privilege of watching them worship together as a family and
- 4:25S5: us out encouraging some folks here in Chicagoland. That was
- 4:28S5: super memorable. I think of all the times when we've
- 4:31S5: had callers come in with life changing stories that leave
- 4:34S5: us gobsmacked, just like, wow. Yeah, and we get a
- 4:37S5: front row seat for that.
- 4:39S2: Do you remember a couple of years ago? We did.
- 4:41S2: Oh boy. This was maybe 2018, 2019. We did like
- 4:45S2: a coffee shop tour. Do you remember.
- 4:46S5: That? Oh, that was so good.
- 4:47S2: Oh, that's a lot of fun. That was one of
- 4:49S2: my favorite memories. I remember being out in one of
- 4:52S2: the suburbs, and I was at a little coffee shop
- 4:55S2: that was right by a train. The train. The the.
- 4:58S2: I believe it was the metro, the Amtrak, one of
- 5:00S2: the ones that runs from the suburbs to the city.
- 5:03S2: And just the amount of people who streamed in. And
- 5:05S2: I got to hear so many stories and it felt
- 5:08S2: like this family, even though for most of the people
- 5:11S2: they'd never seen me, I'd never seen them. But there
- 5:13S2: was this faith in common, obviously, but just the joy
- 5:17S2: of knowing that kind of we're in this thing together.
- 5:20S2: Moody radio is a uniter.
- 5:22S5: And we don't get to see you. And obviously now
- 5:25S5: that our. Our reach is broadened out and. But what
- 5:29S5: a joy it'll be to see our friends from Clearwater
- 5:33S5: and from Cleveland and from Indy that we might not
- 5:37S5: see this side of glory. Uh, I'm going to be
- 5:40S5: speaking at a walk worthy event for a bunch of
- 5:42S5: men in Cleveland. That's the first time I've ever uttered that.
- 5:47S5: When is that event? Forget when it is.
- 5:49S4: Yeah, I'm looking at you going great.
- 5:51S5: Coming up this winter or something. But I'm in Cleveland, man.
- 5:54S5: I'm going to be in. Uh, speaking at a walk
- 5:56S5: worthy event in Cleveland. Fired up to see you guys.
- 6:00S5: And we're going to try to get around, but we
- 6:03S5: won't be able to see everybody. But boy, those are
- 6:05S5: good memories. And to think one day we're going, I
- 6:08S5: don't even know how crazy it's going to be, but
- 6:10S5: there's going to be this reunion of Saints that are
- 6:14S5: reunion only because we've had a communication from afar. It's
- 6:21S5: going to be an extraordinary thing. Memories are something else,
- 6:24S5: aren't they?
- 6:24S2: They really are. And so one of the things that
- 6:27S2: we're doing as part of our birthday celebration is collecting
- 6:30S2: and celebrating some of these memories. And so we would
- 6:34S2: love to hear from you this morning. How did the
- 6:36S2: Lord use Moody Radio to meet you in a moment?
- 6:40S2: It could have been a joyful moment. It could have
- 6:42S2: been a difficult moment, a moment of you were seeking
- 6:45S2: the Lord for clarity. Remember that moment when what you
- 6:49S2: heard on the radio was exactly what you needed to
- 6:53S2: hear that day.
- 6:54S5: Yeah.
- 6:54S2: That's what we want to hear from you. 805. Five. 578, 98.
- 6:59S2: What you heard on Moody Radio in one moment was
- 7:02S2: exactly what you needed to hear. What was it? Who
- 7:04S2: were you listening to? What do you remember about that day? 805. Five. Five. 78. 98.
- 7:10S2: Taking your calls. 800 555, 78. 98.
- 7:15S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
- 7:18S1: God showed her. She didn't have to. Ali is in
- 7:21S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 7:25S5: It's Carl and crew. We're nearing our 100th birthday, and,
- 7:28S5: you know, I want to be really clear. This is
- 7:30S5: not about Moody radio. It's about the gospel.
- 7:33S4: Absolutely.
- 7:34S5: There's nothing to do with Moody Radio. It's about the gospel.
- 7:36S5: It's about the good news and all that Jesus has done. And,
- 7:39S5: you know, the beautiful thing about truth wherever you hear
- 7:42S5: it across this dial on Moody radio, here's the awesome thing.
- 7:45S5: The truth will set you free on this Freedom Friday.
- 7:48S5: We're just saying, what's that memorable moment? How did the
- 7:54S5: Lord use Moody Radio to allow you to hear exactly
- 7:56S5: what you needed in that moment? Tell us about it.
- 7:59S5: I want you to give us a call right now
- 8:00S5: if this is you. 805 557898. It can span the
- 8:06S5: the scope of life and liberty and everything that we're
- 8:10S5: up against. What was it for you? 805 five. 578. 98. Catherine.
- 8:16S5: First time caller. Chattanooga, Tennessee. What's your memorable moment, Catherine?
- 8:22S6: Last July, you guys had a guest on there that
- 8:25S6: was talking about how to, um, how men and women
- 8:28S6: feel when they get in an argument. Men feel respected
- 8:33S6: or disrespected, women feel unloved. And that really hit me.
- 8:36S6: So I actually messaged my ex-husband and apologized for my behavior.
- 8:41S6: And that started the dialogue. And we have since reconciled.
- 8:44S6: We remarried the day before our third divorce, the anniversary
- 8:48S6: of our third divorce.
- 8:49S5: Oh, Catherine. Catherine. I don't even have words right now.
- 8:57S5: That is one of the most for that to be.
- 8:59S5: The first call here is one of the most amazing things. Catherine,
- 9:05S5: I want to thank you for listening to the Spirit
- 9:08S5: of God. He's done a miracle, hasn't he, Catherine?
- 9:12S6: He sure has. Because we're coming up on now what
- 9:14S6: will be our 18th anniversary rather than our 21st. But
- 9:18S6: God has done a great, great, amazing miracle in our lives.
- 9:23S5: Oh, Catherine.
- 9:23S2: Wow.
- 9:24S5: I think we need to pray a prayer of praise
- 9:28S5: right over that one. Allie, would you do it?
- 9:31S2: Lord, what an absolute miracle that God that you would
- 9:35S2: use the words of a guest speaking the Word of
- 9:39S2: God on this program at right at the moment when
- 9:42S2: Catherine needed to hear truth? Thank you for the humility
- 9:46S2: that it took for her to receive it from you, God,
- 9:48S2: and to act on it in obedience, as we've talked
- 9:51S2: about this week, Lord, we thank you. We know that
- 9:54S2: that is not a work of man. That is not
- 9:56S2: a work of moody radio. That is a work of
- 9:58S2: your spirit. So we thank you and we praise you, Lord.
- 10:01S2: We join in celebration for what you have brought back together. Lord,
- 10:06S2: thank you. In Jesus name. Amen.
- 10:09S5: Amen. Catherine, you made our day, sister.
- 10:12S2: Wow.
- 10:12S5: That is so beautiful.
- 10:14S6: You guys. I so enjoy listening to all you encourage
- 10:17S6: me every morning.
- 10:18S5: Oh, you you just I don't have, I don't have
- 10:22S5: I don't have any socks on because you just encouraged
- 10:24S5: him off of me. Encourage your socks.
- 10:27S2: Off. And half. You know, I think that must have
- 10:28S2: been Doctor Emerson Eggerichs. That sounds like his love and respect.
- 10:32S5: You know, I was, I was I was thinking that
- 10:34S5: or Shante because she hits those exact two themes but
- 10:37S5: it might have been Emerson. Yeah. But wow. Oh my goodness.
- 10:43S2: That's beautiful.
- 10:45S5: Okay. We can shut her down. It's amazing. Amazing. Taking
- 10:53S5: your calls. Ali, what's the question?
- 10:55S2: Yeah. We're asking you for those memorable moments with Moody Radio.
- 10:58S2: The Lord used Moody Radio in your life to allow
- 11:00S2: you to hear exactly what you needed in a single moment,
- 11:04S2: just like Catherine just shared. So not a general this is.
- 11:07S2: You're taking us to a moment. You needed to hear
- 11:09S2: something and you turned on the radio and that's what
- 11:11S2: you heard. 805. 5578, 98.
- 11:15S5: Marion Franklin, Indiana. What do you say, Mary?
- 11:19S7: Good morning. Um, I was estranged from my son, uh,
- 11:24S7: for about three, 3 to 6 months and no talking.
- 11:29S7: He was totally lost. And I kept trying to, uh,
- 11:34S7: fix things, and I was listening to Moody radio on
- 11:37S7: my way into work in this guest was talking about
- 11:41S7: how she had a prodigal son. And he, um, she
- 11:46S7: realized that she was trying to help God help her son,
- 11:52S7: and that when she realized she had to stop and
- 11:55S7: totally trust God with her child and get out of
- 11:58S7: his way and let God write her son's testimony, I was.
- 12:03S7: It hit me right in the heart because I was
- 12:05S7: doing the same thing, and I knew that asking God to.
- 12:10S7: Allowing God to write my son's testimony would mean that
- 12:12S7: he would probably suffer. And I had to release and
- 12:16S7: ask him, you know, Lord, don't. I don't want to
- 12:19S7: lose him. But if you if you let him die,
- 12:24S7: then I'm trusting you for his life. And it didn't happen.
- 12:29S7: God worked and he is totally turned a 180 and
- 12:35S7: I didn't have a thing to do with it.
- 12:38S5: Mary that's so cool, sister. Well, you did, and then
- 12:41S5: you backed away and gave him to God. That's what's cool. Yes.
- 12:44S5: You got out of God's way. Yes. Beautiful. Mary.
- 12:47S7: Yes, it was very hard to do.
- 12:49S5: Of course.
- 12:50S7: Thank you for the opportunity.
- 12:52S5: Yeah. Godspeed to you, sister. Much love.
- 12:56S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow cast
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- 13:02S5: Let's go back to the phone lines here. Ali.
- 13:03S2: We've got Curci calling in from Chatsworth, Georgia. Curci, tell
- 13:06S2: us about that memorable moment with Moody Radio. You heard
- 13:09S2: exactly what you needed to hear.
- 13:13S8: Yes. I've been listening to you guys for a couple
- 13:15S8: of years now, and, um, over a period of about
- 13:19S8: a couple of weeks, I kept hearing things about Esther
- 13:23S8: and to the point where one morning before I turned
- 13:26S8: on Moody, I was in my prayers. I asked God,
- 13:30S8: if you're wanting me to study the book of Esther,
- 13:33S8: can you give me confirmation? Because I heard it so
- 13:35S8: many times. And, um, the first thing that was said
- 13:39S8: out of Carl's mouth when I turned on Moody after
- 13:42S8: my prayer time was, we're studying the book of Esther,
- 13:47S8: We're talking about Esther this week. So I picked that
- 13:50S8: as my confirmation and that that took me on a
- 13:53S8: journey of just really diving into the book of Esther.
- 13:57S8: And I learned so much from it. I got so
- 13:59S8: much from it.
- 14:00S5: So beautiful.
- 14:01S8: You were my confirmation.
- 14:03S9: That's great.
- 14:04S5: That's great. Glad to hear it. That's really sweet. Kurchi
- 14:07S5: from Chatsworth, Georgia. What a sweet story.
- 14:10S10: I love it.
- 14:10S5: Michaela and Burchfield. Burchfield, Florida. What's your story, Michaela?
- 14:16S11: So I was going through a phase where I was like,
- 14:19S11: trying to figure out I have the demon of pride.
- 14:22S11: I have the demon of this. I have the demon
- 14:23S11: of anger. And I was driving one morning and I
- 14:26S11: hear you tell your story, Carl, about in the apartment
- 14:29S11: when you're in college and you're like, invite this friend
- 14:32S11: to your apartment or your room, and you know, he's
- 14:35S11: going through this like hour or two with you. And
- 14:37S11: then he's like, you don't have a demon problem. You
- 14:40S11: have a moral problem. And then Carl, you literally said
- 14:43S11: into the microphone, you don't have a demon problem. You're
- 14:45S11: the problem. Oh, okay.
- 14:51S5: Michaela.
- 14:52S12: You spoke right to me. I said okay.
- 14:55S5: Isn't that though? Isn't that freeing? When you can finally
- 14:58S5: look in the mirror and go, that's my problem right there.
- 15:01S12: Yeah.
- 15:02S5: Oh, Michaela. Godspeed to you, sister. We love you. And
- 15:05S5: thanks for listening here. That's beautiful.
- 15:09S10: Oh, this just blows me away.
- 15:10S2: Because with each of these stories, it's taking me back
- 15:14S2: to a moment because I'm going. Yes, I remember you
- 15:16S2: shared that story. Yes, I remember that guest said so
- 15:20S2: many incredible moments that we've had on radio, and God
- 15:24S2: orchestrates all of it.
- 15:26S5: Every bit of it, every bit of it. Few memorable
- 15:32S5: moments here. The Lord used Moody radio in some way
- 15:36S5: and you needed it big time. 805. Five. Five, 78, 98. 5557898,
- 15:47S5: give us a call.
- 15:48S1: It's Carl and Crew on Moody radio.
- 15:52S5: Rita in Chicago. Thanks for holding on. Rita, what's your story?
- 15:57S13: Hi. Good morning and I love you guys. I love
- 16:00S13: Moody radio. Um, I actually, a few years ago, I
- 16:06S13: found out, uh, while pregnant that I was going to
- 16:10S13: have a son with down syndrome. And as someone who
- 16:14S13: has lived a very wild, crazy life in the past,
- 16:18S13: and if by God's grace that I'm here today, redeemed
- 16:21S13: through his Son Jesus. I thought, well, surely God is
- 16:24S13: punishing me. I did all these bad things in the past.
- 16:27S13: He's punishing me. I kid you not. I sit in
- 16:30S13: the car and I'm driving on Lakeshore Drive and I
- 16:32S13: turn on Moody Radio, and I don't know who the
- 16:36S13: messenger was, but he kept saying the words, God is
- 16:40S13: not angry with you. God is not got angry with you.
- 16:43S13: He said it like 4 or 5, six times. And
- 16:46S13: in that moment, I knew God was telling me that
- 16:48S13: he is not angry with me. This is just his will,
- 16:51S13: his plan for me, and exactly what I needed to hear.
- 16:55S9: Wow. Yeah, it was Rita.
- 16:57S5: Bless your heart, sister. Thank you for being a listener here,
- 17:00S5: and thank you for being such a great woman of God.
- 17:03S5: Takes a lot of courage, and it's a cool thing
- 17:07S5: when you can hear something that the Spirit of God
- 17:09S5: uses to really encourage your soul. That's just powerful, isn't it?
- 17:13S10: It really is.
- 17:14S2: You've got Terry calling in this morning from Deerfield, Florida. Terry,
- 17:18S2: tell us, what did you hear? That was exactly what
- 17:20S2: you needed.
- 17:22S14: Well good morning guys. How are you?
- 17:24S9: Good morning. Good.
- 17:26S14: I just wanted to let you know that you guys
- 17:28S14: are awesome. And what you just did this morning, like
- 17:30S14: five minutes ago. I think her name was Catherine. Yes.
- 17:33S14: From last last year, she had an epiphany that she
- 17:37S14: needed to apologize to her husband. And it was something
- 17:41S14: that she heard on the radio. and I just heard
- 17:42S14: her say it. So I'm going to do the same thing.
- 17:46S14: It was it was a stupid debacle that we had
- 17:48S14: last night. And it's like, you know, your pride can
- 17:51S14: step in the way sometimes. And God gives you the
- 17:53S14: exact message that you need to hear to do that.
- 17:56S14: And that was this morning, like ten minutes ago.
- 17:59S9: Wow. How cool is that? Awesome.
- 18:03S14: Awesome. I'm going to do that. And I thank you
- 18:05S14: guys so much.
- 18:06S5: We love you.
- 18:07S9: Terry. Terry.
- 18:07S5: It's a great word. That word sister. Going back to
- 18:10S5: the phone lines, Jeff in Tampa, Florida. What do you
- 18:13S5: say Jeff.
- 18:14S15: Hey good morning. The joy of the Lord is our strength, guys.
- 18:17S15: And I just want to say a little over a
- 18:20S15: year ago, I was listening to Ali give her testimony
- 18:23S15: and she talked about how everyone else in church was
- 18:26S15: always so excited and raising their arms, and she couldn't
- 18:29S15: figure out what was missing in her life. And she
- 18:31S15: said something that just stuck. It was I until I
- 18:35S15: became privately healthy. I couldn't become publicly fruitful. And it
- 18:41S15: changed the course of my life. I dove into the
- 18:43S15: word after that every day. And man, man, oh man,
- 18:48S15: is God faithful to show up?
- 18:49S9: Oh.
- 18:50S2: Jeff, that is so awesome. That is a phrase that
- 18:53S2: I repeat often. Pastor Toledo or Al Toledo at Chicago
- 18:57S2: Tabernacle Church. That is his heart poured out. He's got
- 19:01S2: a book coming out actually on that topic with coming
- 19:05S2: out very soon. So I want to make sure that
- 19:07S2: you get that, Jeff, but thank you so much for
- 19:09S2: sharing that. But that's, that's so powerful.
- 19:12S5: That is beautiful. Let's go to Eleanor and Alsip, Illinois.
- 19:16S5: What do you say, Eleanor?
- 19:18S11: Oh my gosh.
- 19:19S16: I was estranged from my daughter and I was I'm
- 19:22S16: so emotional right now. And it's been 20 years and
- 19:25S16: I'm driving and, and I, I cried out to God
- 19:31S16: and I said, I guess the prodigal son only works
- 19:35S16: for sons and not daughters. And in that instant on
- 19:39S16: Moody radio, they started talking about the prodigal son, and
- 19:44S16: I knew that God was there and he heard me
- 19:47S16: and he heard my pain. And soon after that, my
- 19:50S16: daughter and I came back together. And God is always
- 19:53S16: on time.
- 19:54S9: Oh, I'm.
- 19:55S16: Sorry. I'm so emotional.
- 19:57S9: It's okay. Wow.
- 19:59S5: Eleanor, that is sweet. Sister. We love you. We're so grateful.
- 20:03S5: That is beautiful. Martha in Franklin, Tennessee. What's your story, Martha?
- 20:09S17: Hey, um, I was living as a Christian, and just.
- 20:13S17: It was kind of humdrum. I really wasn't didn't have
- 20:17S17: Jesus in my heart, but I was trying to do
- 20:19S17: what was right. And I went to the dry cleaners
- 20:22S17: one day, and Mark job was on the radio and
- 20:24S17: I listened. And then I asked the lady, you know,
- 20:28S17: what is that? You know, what station is that? So?
- 20:32S17: But from that moment on, I don't remember what he said,
- 20:36S17: but he. God. My heart burst open for the Lord
- 20:43S17: at that moment. And I'd say, um, my husband and I,
- 20:48S17: you know, were baptized together just a little shortly after that,
- 20:52S17: you know, but before that, I was just mediocre and
- 20:55S17: I don't know how to explain it. But anyway, that moment,
- 21:00S17: that moment, it just it's like he grabbed my heart.
- 21:03S5: That is so beautiful.
- 21:05S17: I'll never forget it. Martha Moody radio. Thank you.
- 21:09S5: I'm going to pass that on to pastor Mark Jobe
- 21:11S5: for you. I will I will let that be known.
- 21:14S5: And that is cool. Didn't even know the station existed.
- 21:18S5: Going into a place listening.
- 21:20S2: Of all places.
- 21:21S5: A dry cleaner. Yeah.
- 21:24S9: Wow.
- 21:24S5: That's funny. My dry cleaner didn't have moody on. We can.
- 21:28S5: You never know, though. They might do it. How sweet
- 21:31S5: is that, Ali?
- 21:32S2: It's. What's the biggest encouragement to your heart as you
- 21:34S2: listen to these.
- 21:36S5: Just the smattering of every which situation under the sun
- 21:42S5: from thinking what the situation I'm in is God's punishment
- 21:47S5: for the past to. And then getting that just totally
- 21:51S5: eradicated by one statement or word to salvation's, to sanctification stories. Um, wow.
- 22:00S5: I mean, this is, this is awesome. Jeff's story that,
- 22:05S5: that quote from Al Toledo and how God used that in,
- 22:11S5: in such a powerful way. All of these are just,
- 22:13S5: they're just rich. It's God at work.
- 22:16S9: Yeah.
- 22:16S2: And you think about just the sovereignty of God and
- 22:19S2: that he's absolutely the Lord of the details of our lives.
- 22:23S2: Like the fact that he orchestrates that a conversation that
- 22:27S2: we're having on radio, or that Chris Brooks or Chris
- 22:30S2: Fabry or Mark job or the many other awesome hosts
- 22:33S2: that you hear and that we're just doing what we
- 22:36S2: feel the Lord has called us to do for that day,
- 22:39S2: and that somebody turns on the radio not one second
- 22:42S2: too early or too late to hear the exact words
- 22:46S2: that speak to whatever it is that they're needing to hear.
- 22:49S5: It's powerful.
- 22:50S2: It's like, it's just, it blows my mind how he
- 22:53S2: can make all that work.
- 22:55S5: Yeah. Yeah. It is that good? It is that good.
- 23:00S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
- 23:04S1: cast and crew.
- 23:05S5: Well, Freedom Friday. We love hearing stories from the boom crew,
- 23:10S5: and on occasion, we'll bring someone in and someone new
- 23:14S5: to the show going, all right, how did God change
- 23:17S5: your life? I think we got one today.
- 23:20S2: We do. Her name is Jack. Short for Jacqueline Jack
- 23:23S2: Marino Chen. She is a new voice here as she
- 23:26S2: was saved out of a past of abuse, addiction, new
- 23:30S2: age practices. There's a lot to your story. It's such
- 23:33S2: a story of victory that I know our listeners are
- 23:35S2: really going to resonate with. Let's start with those early years,
- 23:39S2: because there was trauma early on that marked and shaped
- 23:42S2: the years that followed. Go ahead.
- 23:45S18: Yes, I thought that I was a Christian, kind of
- 23:47S18: like you're born an American, but I had never heard
- 23:49S18: the gospel, and I didn't really know who Jesus was.
- 23:52S18: And at a young age, I was sexually abused at
- 23:55S18: a very young age. And then when I was around
- 23:56S18: five years old, Unrelatedly, my dad struggled with drug and
- 24:00S18: alcohol abuse, and so my mom separated from him for
- 24:03S18: our safety. And so I had a lot of pain
- 24:05S18: and turmoil entering the world.
- 24:08S5: You know, Jack, when we talk with people on air
- 24:11S5: about this, there's some people that are resilient, not in
- 24:17S5: their own strength, but in the power of Christ. And
- 24:20S5: then there's some that get stuck there. You've gone through
- 24:24S5: a lot. Sister. First let's go into the portion of Jesus.
- 24:27S5: Save me from me. How did God call you out
- 24:31S5: of darkness?
- 24:32S18: Oh, amazing. I was deep in the occult, practicing ritual
- 24:36S18: magic in a Masonic temple and. Because the Bible was
- 24:39S18: used completely out of context, twisted in rituals. And different
- 24:44S18: things in the order, I thought I might as well
- 24:45S18: read it for myself. And God used me reading the
- 24:48S18: Bible to pierce me with the truth of his word.
- 24:51S18: And in one of the darkest moments of my life,
- 24:55S18: I realized my weakness. As I was spiritually attacked, I
- 24:58S18: collapsed to my knees. And because I had heard the gospel,
- 25:01S18: I cried out, Jesus Christ, save me! And in that moment,
- 25:04S18: I felt the peace I'd been searching for my whole life.
- 25:07S18: I was amazed that the God of the Bible, the father,
- 25:10S18: the son, and the Holy Spirit is over and above all,
- 25:12S18: the powers of darkness that I was in because I
- 25:14S18: had thought I was too far gone to be saved.
- 25:16S18: And from that point on, I crawled to my bed,
- 25:18S18: started reading my Bible that was under it from Genesis
- 25:22S18: to Revelation, and was just so amazed by the reality
- 25:25S18: and truth of who Jesus Christ truly is.
- 25:27S5: So here's the cool thing. Jack Marino Chen is our guest, Jack,
- 25:31S5: short for Jacqueline and check you hit two sides of
- 25:36S5: a very important coin. You went through ungodly, wretched, undeserved garbage.
- 25:43S5: And yet, when you were pierced with the gospel, you
- 25:46S5: saw God's redeeming power from that and from yourself. Explain
- 25:52S5: that for our listener.
- 25:53S18: Yes. So one, I just I was at such a
- 25:56S18: dark point that I didn't even want to be here anymore.
- 25:59S18: From drug and alcohol addiction to just my own sin,
- 26:02S18: this crushing weight of my own wickedness, having channeled beings asking, um,
- 26:07S18: dark entities to enter my body, not realizing that I was,
- 26:10S18: I believe, going through demonic possession after years of these practices.
- 26:14S18: It was just so heavy and so dark that I
- 26:17S18: thought I'd dug myself into a pit too deep to
- 26:20S18: ever crawl out of. I had no hope. And on
- 26:23S18: top of that, I had this crushing weight of holding
- 26:27S18: on to the secrecy of that childhood sexual abuse my
- 26:29S18: whole life and sin against me, and abusive relationships. So
- 26:34S18: between my sin and sin of others to me, and
- 26:36S18: then my sin of practicing in the occult. I was
- 26:40S18: just crushed under the weight of my sin. And so
- 26:42S18: to get to know Jesus, to read about how you
- 26:45S18: know God is perfectly holy, we have all sinned and
- 26:48S18: fallen short of his glory, and there's a just punishment
- 26:51S18: for that sin that is a real place called hell,
- 26:53S18: which I was aware of. And yet God is love,
- 26:56S18: and he sent his only son, Jesus Christ, truly God
- 26:59S18: and truly man, born to a virgin to live the perfect,
- 27:02S18: sinless life we have not lived, even though he was
- 27:05S18: tempted as we are, that he went to the cross
- 27:07S18: bearing sinners sin, and God's wrath in the place of
- 27:10S18: sinners dying, raising on the third day, ascending to the
- 27:13S18: right hand of God the Father, as the one and
- 27:15S18: only mediator between God and man. That those who repent
- 27:18S18: and put their faith in Christ alone can truly have salvation,
- 27:22S18: their sins atoned for eternal life, freedom from sin. Christ's
- 27:26S18: righteousness accounted to us. Like to see the reality of
- 27:29S18: the gospel was does not compare to any of the false,
- 27:32S18: quote unquote higher knowledge in the occult.
- 27:35S9: Time out.
- 27:36S5: Boom. Right.
- 27:37S9: Ali?
- 27:37S2: Yeah.
- 27:38S9: I mean, come on. That was the gospel. Is that
- 27:40S9: the gospel.
- 27:41S5: Or is that the.
- 27:42S9: Gospel? Oh my goodness.
- 27:44S2: Beautiful. Jack Marino Chen is with us this morning. Her
- 27:47S2: book is called Ensnared Overcoming the Darkness of the New
- 27:50S2: Age and Occult in the Light of God's Truth. You know,
- 27:53S2: your background, you got pretty deep into this stuff with
- 27:57S2: ritual magic and new age practices. It's interesting how some
- 28:02S2: of this stuff, and it's what maybe people perceive as
- 28:04S2: its milder forms, has become more and more common. You
- 28:08S2: hear about people, tarot card readings, the popularity of that
- 28:12S2: Ouija boards, visiting psychics, people using, you know, sage and
- 28:17S2: things like that. And I don't want to get too descriptive.
- 28:20S9: But it's on the uptick.
- 28:21S2: What do you say to that? To people, even some
- 28:24S2: Christians who don't necessarily see the real risk of some
- 28:27S2: of these things.
- 28:29S18: Mhm. Absolutely. Well, we see it's getting more and more
- 28:31S18: common in our culture. And sadly, because it seems to
- 28:34S18: be on every corner the psychic, the tarot reader, the crystals, and,
- 28:38S18: you know, normal shops, it doesn't seem as scary anymore.
- 28:41S18: And yet those things from Ouija to crystals, all those
- 28:44S18: things that looked so glittery and beautiful led me into
- 28:47S18: some of the darkest corners of the occult. And I
- 28:50S18: love the way the old Puritan Thomas Brooks puts it
- 28:52S18: that Satan presents the bait but hides the hook. He
- 28:55S18: presents the golden cup but hides the poison inside. And
- 28:58S18: so when we see, you know, witch talk and the
- 29:01S18: next generation getting really into witchcraft and this desire to
- 29:04S18: make ourselves like God, these lies promised to put the
- 29:07S18: wand in our hand to create our own reality. And
- 29:10S18: yet there are these glittery things that are leading to
- 29:13S18: our own demise. It's a bait hiding a hook. It's
- 29:16S18: so destructive and so it's so important that we're biblically
- 29:19S18: literate and that we're able to compare what is being
- 29:22S18: presented in our culture as beautiful with scripture to see,
- 29:25S18: you know, that sounds almost right, but it's not right.
- 29:28S18: And we know that because we know the word of God.
- 29:30S5: Yeah, a lie is nothing but the truth with the
- 29:32S5: twist at the end. All right. I want to get
- 29:34S5: your take on this one. Ali and I talk about
- 29:35S5: this from time to time. In fact, Ali brought it
- 29:37S5: up and I and now I see it everywhere. Everybody's
- 29:41S5: talking about manifesting something that is it's at best man centered.
- 29:50S5: Doesn't have anything to do with God, but it's at
- 29:53S5: worst really dabbling in something crazy, isn't it?
- 29:56S18: Yes, absolutely. That was one of the biggest gateways to
- 29:59S18: me into the new age, as in high school, coming
- 30:02S18: across the book The Secret, that was just about the
- 30:04S18: law of attraction, the idea that thoughts create reality. And
- 30:07S18: that's really where the manifestation thing comes from, believing that
- 30:10S18: we have the power inside of ourselves to create our
- 30:14S18: own reality, which is super alluring and attractive. The occult
- 30:18S18: idea behind it is just as above, so below this
- 30:20S18: old hermetic teaching. But basically, if you just boil it
- 30:24S18: all down, it's your eyes will be opened and you
- 30:26S18: will be like God if you embrace these things that
- 30:29S18: are forbidden, you know, we're back in the garden in
- 30:31S18: Genesis three. But to our sinful nature, it sounds really
- 30:36S18: alluring to be told we don't have to turn from sin,
- 30:38S18: but we can gain the power to be like God
- 30:40S18: through these practices that are very accessible in our culture. Um,
- 30:45S18: and so yeah, it's heartbreaking seeing people using the word
- 30:47S18: manifesting just in common conversation. It's not even weird anymore,
- 30:52S18: but the core of those teachings are very dark and
- 30:55S18: extremely opposed to God.
- 30:57S2: Jack. It's Friday and so we have something called Freedom
- 31:00S2: Friday here on Carl and Crew. What does freedom look
- 31:04S2: like for you now? What are you experiencing that you
- 31:07S2: never could when you were in your past life?
- 31:10S18: Uh. So amazing. I love the reality of second Corinthians
- 31:14S18: 517 that I'm truly a new creation in Christ. When
- 31:18S18: I was in the new age and occult, I did
- 31:20S18: all these rituals and all these practices and it was
- 31:22S18: like a mirage, an illusion. It was, I thought I
- 31:25S18: was getting better, I thought I was changing, but nothing
- 31:27S18: was really happening. I was still enslaved to my sin
- 31:31S18: and lost. And yet in Christ to be born again.
- 31:34S18: It's not just the external has changed. It's not new.
- 31:37S18: Paint on an old car. Who I am inside is
- 31:40S18: a new creation. Freedom from sin, eternal life, and a
- 31:44S18: different desires like the whole package from the inside out
- 31:48S18: is new. Not because of anything I've done, not because
- 31:50S18: of any works I did to earn God's favor, but
- 31:53S18: because of what Christ has done. It's amazing. There's nothing
- 31:56S18: like the gospel of Christ.
- 31:59S5: All right, one final word here, because there's people that
- 32:02S5: feel like they are enslaved to something. Some have been
- 32:07S5: born again. Some have an illusion of salvation. They think
- 32:11S5: they've been born again, but they've really just been church ified.
- 32:15S5: Pour out your heart to that person that feels hopelessly
- 32:18S5: stuck in whatever can be a childhood. Abuse can be
- 32:22S5: their own. Abuse can be wrong thinking that manifests from
- 32:26S5: childhood wounds. How do we walk free, Jack?
- 32:30S18: Well, one, I totally just. My heart goes out to
- 32:32S18: you because I so can relate to that feeling of
- 32:35S18: just being stuck, feeling. I felt like I was in
- 32:38S18: a feedback loop. And yet my encouragement to you would
- 32:41S18: be to look to Christ, to look to Christ in
- 32:44S18: whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
- 32:47S18: Colossians two three says, so this world, it can be
- 32:51S18: so dark and there's so many lies. But the more
- 32:53S18: that we look to Christ and really fix our gaze
- 32:55S18: on the gospel, on what Christ has truly done, there's
- 32:59S18: no higher knowledge than the gospel of Christ. So run
- 33:02S18: to him, pour your heart out to him, depend on
- 33:04S18: him in prayer, and fix your eyes on the truth
- 33:07S18: and get your eyes off the lies.
- 33:10S2: Jack Marino Chen, author of the book, Ensnared Overcoming the
- 33:13S2: Darkness of the New Age in Occult with the light
- 33:16S2: of God's truth. As she writes worship music, she maintains
- 33:19S2: a very active YouTube channel. Just text saved. We'll get
- 33:23S2: you linked up with her text saved to 805 557898,
- 33:29S2: saved to 805 557898.
- 33:33S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
- 33:37S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 33:41S5: I'm not big on participation awards, but I'm.
- 33:45S4: Not either.
- 33:46S5: I'm going to make an exception on this. You are
- 33:48S5: either super. I know. And it's just like, ah, it
- 33:52S5: just it feels like it's like, okay, I was part
- 33:57S5: of this. Me and 200 others. Yeah. Come on up
- 34:00S5: and get your blue ribbon. I'm like, I get it.
- 34:06S5: But I, I actually, oh, I gotta tell a story.
- 34:10S5: So I was, I was in charge of field day
- 34:12S5: in little Rock, Arkansas, and our kids were at a
- 34:14S5: school where I would go out on recess on Fridays.
- 34:19S5: And I was like the, I was the quarterback on
- 34:22S5: both teams for all these kids and I. Oh goodness sakes,
- 34:26S5: I can get choked up thinking about it. I love
- 34:28S5: these kids, man. And and, um, without getting into too
- 34:34S5: many details, uh, field day was going to be coming
- 34:39S5: and they didn't have anyone to run it. So the
- 34:41S5: principal came out and said, you're kind of out here
- 34:44S5: trying to be athletic. Why? Why don't, why don't you
- 34:48S5: do it? And what I, what I had was, I
- 34:50S5: think it was fifth grade, fifth and sixth grade boys.
- 34:52S5: So anyway, when the bell would ring, they'd come running down.
- 34:55S5: And I mean, this, this thing grew to the point
- 34:58S5: where I had had like 40, 50 kids. So I'd
- 35:00S5: split them right down the middle. I'd have them count
- 35:02S5: off and a couple of the kids, like my son
- 35:05S5: was in a rat pack and they'd get, you know,
- 35:07S5: positioned where they could get on the same team, you know?
- 35:09S5: So I know, know now today I'm cutting it right
- 35:13S5: down the middle. Dad, what are you doing? I son,
- 35:16S5: just chill out. And so we we'd have we'd have
- 35:21S5: a great time out there doing that. It was just great.
- 35:26S5: And field day, they said, we need somebody to run it.
- 35:29S5: I go, I'll run it. And so I started doing
- 35:32S5: all the planning and boy, did we have a field day.
- 35:35S5: I brought out a guy that brought a sound system
- 35:37S5: and he was spinning records or whatever back in the
- 35:40S5: day that was probably CDs or something. Um, but we,
- 35:46S5: the day was amazing, but there was one sticking point
- 35:50S5: and there were a couple of parents that were on
- 35:54S5: the PTA or whatever that's called. And they're like, hey,
- 36:00S5: we don't want to do, you know, first, second, third.
- 36:03S5: We want to give everyone. I'm like, no, we're not
- 36:06S5: doing that. We're not doing that. We're giving first, second thirds. No, no,
- 36:15S5: I said, no, I'm running this thing. And I was kind.
- 36:18S5: I was kind about it, but I said, and then
- 36:20S5: I said, there's some of these kids. This is where
- 36:23S5: they excel. They don't excel like your kids do at
- 36:28S5: biology or creating volcanoes that erupt or something like that.
- 36:32S5: You know what I'm saying? All that stuff. This is
- 36:34S5: their lane and we're giving away ribbons. Anyway, it came
- 36:41S5: off and it went so well. I came back and
- 36:43S5: did it the next year as well.
- 36:46S4: That's great.
- 36:47S5: But there's there's sometimes when participation is rewarded. And in
- 36:53S5: this case, I really believe that your participation will be
- 36:58S5: rewarded no matter what it is. And and it's because
- 37:03S5: your words are going to be such an encouragement that
- 37:07S5: there is reward in heaven for just taking part. And
- 37:11S5: we've got this site, this birthday site, and we really
- 37:15S5: want your participation and it will be rewarded. So here
- 37:20S5: we go. I'm breaking my own rules here, Ali.
- 37:23S2: Yes, it is the Moody Radio birthday website. Our 100 years.
- 37:27S2: If you've not heard, we are celebrating officially July 28th,
- 37:30S2: which is on Tuesday, the 100 year anniversary of the
- 37:33S2: very first broadcast. But we would love for you to
- 37:35S2: visit this website. You can check out stories that have
- 37:38S2: already been submitted. You can submit your own story here.
- 37:41S2: All the different special episodes. I believe there was almost
- 37:44S2: one every single day of the month of July on
- 37:46S2: one of the programs between Janet Parshall and Chris Fabry
- 37:50S2: and Chris Brooks and some of the other shows Carl
- 37:52S2: and crew included. Check that out. Just text birthday to
- 37:54S2: 805 557898 and do participate by sharing your story, your
- 38:01S2: memorable moment with Moody Radio. Just text birthday to 805 557898.
- 38:07S5: Yeah, just take some time to do this. I'm. I
- 38:11S5: know what it feels like. I walk out of a
- 38:13S5: restaurant and I'm like, I'm going to give them a
- 38:16S5: recommendation and then I space it out. My bride's good
- 38:19S5: on that one. We were at a place on vacation
- 38:22S5: and I said, man, I'm going to give them a recommendation.
- 38:24S5: And she reminded me, you're going to give them a
- 38:27S5: you're right, I got to do that. And this is
- 38:30S5: one of those things that in your heart, you're like, yeah,
- 38:33S5: that'd be cool to participate in. I'm asking you to
- 38:36S5: follow through. Give us the link one more time. Ali.
- 38:38S2: Just next birthday, 805 557898.
- 38:42S5: Yeah. What's God done? Give us your story. We want
- 38:45S5: to hear it. We really do. Okay. What's coming up here, sister?
- 38:48S2: Yeah, we have a special guest, doctor, Mark Yarbrough. Have
- 38:51S2: you ever felt like you were in a spiritual slump,
- 38:54S2: like your faith needed a bit of reviving? We're going
- 38:57S2: to hear from doctor Mark Yarbrough coming up.
- 39:00S5: Yeah.
- 39:01S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
- 39:03S4: You are so so loved. God does not want you
- 39:07S4: to stay in your past. And I want you to
- 39:09S4: know and believe that today.
- 39:10S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 39:12S5: Uh, using this metaphor of spiritual CPR, mainly because Mark
- 39:17S5: Yarbrough has really a passion for this. In fact. Six
- 39:21S5: essentials for reviving your faith out of the rekindled heart. Man,
- 39:25S5: you want to blow life into dead or near dead things,
- 39:28S5: don't you? Mark.
- 39:29S19: I love it, I love it, that's what God's in
- 39:31S19: the business of doing.
- 39:33S2: You know, doctor Mark Yarborough, a popular Bible conference speaker. Professor,
- 39:36S2: he's got a book out The Rekindled Heart six Essentials
- 39:39S2: for Reviving Your Faith. When somebody is in some sort
- 39:42S2: of an emergency situation, whether it's choking or whether there's
- 39:46S2: CPR that's needed, it's usually pretty obvious. Sometimes a crowd
- 39:50S2: is gathered. Maybe there's been some sort of collapse. There's
- 39:53S2: some physical element that cries out, this person needs help.
- 39:58S2: How do we know, though, if our spiritual life needs
- 40:01S2: to be revived? It doesn't necessarily scream in that same way.
- 40:05S2: But there are signs.
- 40:07S19: Oh, there are signs. I tell you what I mean.
- 40:09S19: It's it's like the picture of a of a fire
- 40:11S19: that's gone out. You know, we've all been camping before
- 40:14S19: and you know, when that fire is dying down, you
- 40:17S19: can feel it, you can see it. I mean, if
- 40:19S19: you're sitting by a fire, you even know when the
- 40:22S19: heat is going down. And for a lot of us, right,
- 40:24S19: with our live, I mean, we know when we're crashing,
- 40:26S19: we know when either we're not walking with the Lord
- 40:29S19: or circumstances of life have just hit us, you know,
- 40:32S19: square between the eyes and you're going, okay, this is
- 40:35S19: not what I want it to be.
- 40:37S5: Yeah. So I got a question for you. Just pressure
- 40:40S5: test that. Do you think the church of Laodicea knew
- 40:43S5: that they needed to let Jesus back in? I mean,
- 40:47S5: it's written to the church that warning. And I they
- 40:49S5: thought they had it all going on. So the idols
- 40:53S5: of this age can intoxicate us. But there's if we're
- 40:57S5: really filled with the Holy Spirit, there's that holy hunch
- 41:00S5: that something ain't right here. Right, Mark?
- 41:02S19: That's exactly right. And I think that there are those
- 41:05S19: that do and those that don't. I mean, let's call
- 41:07S19: it what it is. When you find yourself in these moments,
- 41:10S19: sometimes it's just kind of slowly going down, and then
- 41:14S19: you have a moment to look back and go, where
- 41:16S19: have I come from? Why? Why am I currently here
- 41:20S19: where I am? There are other individuals, I promise. In Laodicea, right?
- 41:24S19: There had to have been individuals that knew, right? And
- 41:27S19: they're like sitting there going, something is not right here.
- 41:30S19: So what can we do? And that's the question I'm
- 41:32S19: asking in the book. How can we have rekindle that heart?
- 41:35S19: And what are these essentials for reviving your faith?
- 41:38S2: Let's talk about some of those. Doctor Mark Yarbrough. What
- 41:41S2: what are some of those essentials to reviving your faith
- 41:45S2: when that fire started to dim?
- 41:47S19: Well, I tell you, the first one that I challenge
- 41:49S19: people with all the time is what I call a
- 41:51S19: rekindled devotion, a bold trust in God's Word. I mean,
- 41:55S19: it is a basic charge to get back to God's
- 42:00S19: Word when we realize and we profess all over again.
- 42:04S19: It's good for believers to do this. You know, Hebrews
- 42:06S19: chapter four, the Word of God is alive and powerful.
- 42:08S19: It's sharper than any two edged sword. We could go
- 42:11S19: to second Timothy chapter three, verse 16. One of my favorites,
- 42:14S19: all Scripture is God breathed that word that Paul used to.
- 42:18S19: Timothy of the Anastasis. It's this powerful Greek word of.
- 42:22S19: It's the very exhale of God in written form. So
- 42:25S19: here's my point. When we as believers think back to
- 42:29S19: when we first came into a relationship with the Lord Jesus,
- 42:33S19: and we began to engage with God's Word and realize
- 42:38S19: that this is what God has said. It was transformative.
- 42:42S19: And so that's one of the things that I ask
- 42:43S19: people all the time, hey, if you find yourself in
- 42:46S19: a spiritual slump and you need that CPR as you're
- 42:50S19: talking about, you need your heart rekindled. I say, how
- 42:53S19: much time are you spending in God's Word? Are you
- 42:55S19: listening to what he has said? It's a very basic
- 42:58S19: call to get back to the book.
- 43:00S5: Okay, so here's an interesting thing. I'm not trying to
- 43:04S5: take a shot here, but you'll agree with this. I
- 43:07S5: think doctor Mark Yarborough is our guest right now. You
- 43:10S5: are the president of Dallas Theological Seminary. Now, the old
- 43:14S5: knock is don't go to cemetery. It's they're called oftentimes cemeteries.
- 43:20S5: And we all joke about that. And when I went
- 43:22S5: to Denver Seminary, I heard that over and over again.
- 43:26S5: I want you to delineate between people that know the word.
- 43:31S5: And it begins to get cold because they become knowledge
- 43:35S5: brokers versus that alive dynamism, because that is a threat
- 43:40S5: at seminary. It's a threat in church pews and chairs
- 43:43S5: every weekend that we get puffed up with knowledge. So
- 43:47S5: we know a lot about the word, but the Word
- 43:49S5: of God is not alive. It's not rekindling our heart.
- 43:52S5: How do we get there and stay there?
- 43:55S19: Well, I tell you, number one, I acknowledge what you're saying.
- 43:58S19: I agree with what you're saying. And it is true
- 44:00S19: that can happen anywhere because, uh, again, as you said, right?
- 44:05S19: Knowledge can puff up, but knowledge can also be a
- 44:09S19: really good thing to praise the Lord for that. But,
- 44:12S19: but what you're asking me is how how do we
- 44:15S19: avoid against that? And I'd say the number one thing
- 44:17S19: that I would say is that we've got to have
- 44:19S19: a broken heart, a constant soft heart before the Lord,
- 44:23S19: to let the spirit do his thing in our lives.
- 44:27S19: And so that is a temptation at seminary. It's a temptation,
- 44:31S19: as you said in the pew at a Bible believing
- 44:34S19: teaching church, where you can be in a study. You know,
- 44:37S19: one of my mentors of the of the faith, Howard Hendricks,
- 44:40S19: longtime professor at Dallas Seminary, now been with the Lord forever.
- 44:44S19: I can remember listening to him. He had these prophecies
- 44:47S19: and he would say all the time, you know, the
- 44:48S19: Bible was not written to satisfy your curiosity. It was
- 44:52S19: written to change your life.
- 44:55S20: That's the way he said it to.
- 44:58S19: There you go. That's it right there. I mean, yeah,
- 45:01S19: I'm all about, you know, knowing more information. And we
- 45:04S19: want our students to do that, right? We take Bible
- 45:06S19: competency tests. We want them to grow in their knowledge
- 45:09S19: of the Lord. But I tell you what, man, if
- 45:11S19: they have, have not grown in their brokenness before the
- 45:16S19: Lord to have their life changed. And it means we failed.
- 45:19S19: And that's true of any believer. And that's why we're
- 45:22S19: talking about this topic today.
- 45:23S2: Doctor Mark Yarborough, our guest, the author of The Rekindled
- 45:27S2: Heart six essentials for Reviving Your Faith. Coming up, what
- 45:30S2: are the top three reasons that Christians struggle to keep
- 45:34S2: their walk with Christ vibrant? We'll ask him that question
- 45:37S2: coming up here on Carl and Crew.
- 45:39S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
- 45:42S1: This is Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 45:46S21: What are the top three.
- 45:47S2: Reasons.
- 45:48S21: That our Christian.
- 45:50S2: Faith, our vibrancy can start to fade? Doctor Mark Yarborough
- 45:55S2: with us right now, he's written a book, The Kindled
- 45:57S2: Heart six Essentials for Reviving Your Faith. What are those
- 46:00S2: top three from your vantage point?
- 46:01S19: Well, I'll tell you what, there's a lot of things
- 46:03S19: I could say. Here's where I'm going to narrow it.
- 46:04S19: I'm going to say number one is our own sin.
- 46:06S19: And that's not a pleasant thing for any of us
- 46:09S19: to talk about. But that's who we are. We're sinners.
- 46:12S19: And sometimes we find ourselves in the entrapments of the world,
- 46:17S19: and that will put a barrier up between us and
- 46:23S19: the growth of our faith, the working of the spirit
- 46:25S19: in our lives. And I see that all the time
- 46:27S19: when I'm talking with individuals. That's number one. I would
- 46:29S19: say that. Number two, I would say it's the sin
- 46:31S19: of the world. And what I mean by that is
- 46:33S19: that we all live in this Genesis three broken world.
- 46:38S19: And again, call it what it is, man, you live
- 46:41S19: long enough, bad things happen and bad things happen to you.
- 46:44S19: And I grieve when I when I talk with people
- 46:47S19: of things that other people have done to them or
- 46:50S19: circumstances in life that they had nothing to do with,
- 46:52S19: but it was done to them. And that can at times, uh,
- 46:57S19: build up a callousness in our sensitivity to the working
- 46:59S19: of the spirit. Number three, I would say this it's lethargy. Uh,
- 47:03S19: that's a, that's a word that should challenge every one
- 47:05S19: of us. You know, I realize that we live in
- 47:08S19: a culture where we are tempted to simply just even
- 47:12S19: entertain ourselves to death. You know, back on that that
- 47:15S19: very first one that we talked about before the break
- 47:17S19: of having a rekindled, you know, dependence upon the Lord
- 47:20S19: or a rekindled devotion. I took a computer training class
- 47:25S19: in a programming class years ago. Um, and I'll never
- 47:28S19: forget walking into class and this incredible programmer analyst walked
- 47:32S19: in and he said, I got one thing to tell you.
- 47:34S19: Trash in, trash out. What comes in will go out.
- 47:37S19: All these years later, I remember him saying that. And
- 47:39S19: what I know is that sometimes we fill our lives
- 47:43S19: up with the stuff of the world. Yeah. And it's
- 47:46S19: going to work its way out. And so those are
- 47:48S19: the three things I'd say.
- 47:49S5: Mark, I gotta tell you, man, we had we did
- 47:51S5: a little deal here years ago and, um, asked people,
- 47:55S5: what's the one thing that's keeping them back from everything
- 47:58S5: that God has for them? Yeah. The sedentary lifestyle or
- 48:02S5: biblical word sluggard or not redeeming time. Oh my goodness.
- 48:06S5: It was high on the list. Remember that Ali? Oh yeah.
- 48:09S5: I mean, that was so high on the list. Speak
- 48:11S5: to that for a second because we can do so
- 48:13S5: well for 18 hours, but we can find two, three,
- 48:17S5: four hours unredeemed. It's Satan's kitchen. He's cooking up junk
- 48:21S5: for us, man. It's it's sometimes it's just literally let's
- 48:25S5: use our hours. Well here. Right?
- 48:28S19: I tell you what I tell people, you know, you
- 48:30S19: got 24 hours in the day, seven days a week,
- 48:32S19: and you're going to fill up your minutes, your waking
- 48:34S19: hours doing something you are. So the question is, is
- 48:39S19: have you clocked your day? I think that is an
- 48:42S19: incredible discipline for believers to be in, to say, what
- 48:46S19: am I actually doing? It is stunning how much time
- 48:49S19: there is in a day and what we're doing with
- 48:53S19: those minutes, and how to how to redeem those for
- 48:58S19: the glory of God and to again, just like eating well, right?
- 49:02S19: Putting good stuff in because that's going to make a
- 49:04S19: difference in what goes out.
- 49:06S2: Doctor Mark Yarborough guest right now, talk about a time
- 49:09S2: when you your own faith has dwindled.
- 49:12S19: Oh my goodness. How long do we have?
- 49:15S5: I'm glad that the president of Dallas Theological Seminary is
- 49:19S5: willing to say that.
- 49:20S19: Well, I tell you, I tell a story in a book.
- 49:22S19: It's still a painful one in my life, you know?
- 49:25S19: And this goes all the way back to high school.
- 49:26S19: I grew up in absolutely wonderful home. I grew up
- 49:29S19: in a home that it was mom and dad. Dad. Jesus.
- 49:31S19: I mean, I was introduced to the Lord and early
- 49:33S19: on and, and, uh, came to faith at a young age. And,
- 49:37S19: and I wasn't rebelling from the Lord in high school,
- 49:40S19: but I wasn't. Listen to this. I didn't have a vibrant,
- 49:42S19: active faith. Does that make sense? Yes. It wasn't a rebellion.
- 49:46S19: It just wasn't. I wasn't actively living it out. I
- 49:48S19: had a lifelong friend that I just kind of grew
- 49:50S19: up with, and he went down a bit of a
- 49:52S19: different path and I could see it and I knew it,
- 49:54S19: and I just left it alone. I didn't challenge him
- 49:57S19: on it. And, um, it was a tragic thing that
- 50:00S19: happened because he died in a drunk driving accident and
- 50:05S19: he was the drunk driver. And to this day, I
- 50:08S19: look back at that moment and thought, you know, I
- 50:11S19: should have been more active. Now, this is not a
- 50:14S19: guilt issue. That's not what I'm trying to go down
- 50:16S19: the path here. But I did have this tugging in
- 50:19S19: my heart of saying, man, Mark, did you lived it out?
- 50:21S19: Had you challenged him to not go down that path?
- 50:25S19: If I had had a more vibrant, active faith and
- 50:29S19: the Lord used that in my life from that point
- 50:33S19: forward to say, don't ever miss an opportunity to talk
- 50:37S19: to someone about the Lord Jesus. It doesn't mean that
- 50:39S19: you're going to see the results that you desire, but
- 50:42S19: the Lord just simply calls us to be faithful. Right?
- 50:45S19: And to have that vibrant faith that can be a
- 50:47S19: connection for other people in some of their dark moments.
- 50:51S19: So that's one story of a thousand that I could
- 50:54S19: tell just like all of you.
- 50:55S5: Yeah. Yeah. This is compelling stuff, bro. Okay. Really quick
- 51:01S5: hit here. Of the six essentials for reviving your faith,
- 51:04S5: what's the most surprising one that people are going to
- 51:06S5: find if they dig into this book.
- 51:08S19: I think the the very last one is what I
- 51:11S19: call rekindled zeal, having a burden for the world. It
- 51:14S19: is so easy for us to put the the hedges
- 51:18S19: up and we live in our own little worlds. And again.
- 51:22S19: And part of that, we're responsible to do that, right.
- 51:25S19: My neighbors are not your neighbors and vice versa. So
- 51:28S19: I get that. But there is a call in Scripture
- 51:32S19: of saying, lift your eyes up. Set your eyes on
- 51:35S19: things above. And one of the heartbeats of God is
- 51:38S19: for the nations. And something happens to us when we
- 51:43S19: lift our head up and we see what is important
- 51:47S19: to God, that God is more concerned about people than things.
- 51:52S19: That God has a heartbeat for His Word to transform
- 51:57S19: all people in all cultures, because he is the God
- 52:01S19: that is for all people and that he has provided
- 52:05S19: a Savior that is for all people, and a spirit
- 52:09S19: is available that he is available to indwell all people.
- 52:14S19: He trains our lives. And so here we are saying,
- 52:17S19: what happens when we do that is that it takes
- 52:21S19: us out of our own world. And sometimes we can
- 52:23S19: all have our own little pity party in our own
- 52:25S19: little world. Right? And it, it gets our eyes focused
- 52:29S19: on what God is concerned about. And so I think
- 52:32S19: when we go in, in the book and we look
- 52:35S19: at at Psalm 67, we see that God is having
- 52:39S19: this call for the nations to be glad. Uh, it
- 52:42S19: makes us realize the grace of God that has been
- 52:44S19: poured out upon us. And if you are a grace recipient,
- 52:47S19: you're called to be a grace giver.
- 52:49S2: The book is called The Rekindled Heart six essentials for
- 52:52S2: Reviving Your Faith by our guest, doctor, Mark Yarborough. Just
- 52:55S2: text heart to 805 557898. If you want the details,
- 53:00S2: text heart to 805 557898.