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Introducing: Norah Jones is Playing Along · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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  Speaker 1: Pushkin. Today, we're sharing an episode from a great artist
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  Speaker 1: who also happens to have one of our favorite podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Nora Jones is Playing Along. Nora is, of course,
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  Speaker 1: a multi Grammy winning artist who loves to collaborate with
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  Speaker 1: other musicians, so she started a podcast where she can
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  Speaker 1: do just that. Each episode features a different musical guest,
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  Speaker 1: and you, as a listener, get to be a fly
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  Speaker 1: on the wall in the studio as musicians come together
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  Speaker 1: fro impromptu music making and candid conversations. With guests like
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Tweety, Robert Glasper, and Lucas Nelson. You'll hear everything
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  Speaker 1: from their hits to classic covers to songs written on
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  Speaker 1: the spot. The episode we're sharing today is with the
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  Speaker 1: legendary Mavis Staples. You'll be treated to stories from her
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  Speaker 1: time as a member of the iconic Staples Singers, spreading
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  Speaker 1: powerful messages of peace through gospel and soul music. Mavis
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  Speaker 1: also talks about her current projects a solo artist and beyond.
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  Speaker 1: We'll also hear Mavis and Nora play gospel classic as
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  Speaker 1: well as pay homage to Mavis's father, Pop Staples, along
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  Speaker 1: with a few other surprises. So listen and then follow
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  Speaker 1: and subscribe to. Nora Jones is playing along wherever you
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  Speaker 1: get your podcasts to hear more great episodes with fantastic
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  Speaker 1: guest artists. Without further ado, please enjoy. Nora Jones is
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  Speaker 1: playing along with Mayvis Staples.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm playing along with
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  Speaker 2: Mayvis Staples and just playing.
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  Speaker 3: Alone, just playing alone.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to the show. I'm Nora, and with me
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  Speaker 2: as always is Sarah Oda.
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  Speaker 4: Hello.
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  Speaker 5: Hello.
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  Speaker 2: Today's show is so fun to record and pretty emotional.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you felt about it, Oda, but
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  Speaker 2: for me, it was it was very very special.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like Mayvi's Staples is a force, yeah, but
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  Speaker 5: like a very sweet, tender, loving, huggable force.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, She's just an amazing human. She is full
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  Speaker 2: of love and we love her.
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  Speaker 5: You cannot be in a bad mood when she's in
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  Speaker 5: the room.
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  Speaker 2: No, And we talk about that a little in this episode,
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  Speaker 2: about her her energy and where it comes from. Mayva Staples,
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  Speaker 2: of course, was part of the Staples Singers.
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  Speaker 5: Mavis and her family were iconic throughout the Civil rights movement.
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  Speaker 5: Her father was friends with doctor Martin Luther King Junior,
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  Speaker 5: and they performed at rallies and protests before his speeches.
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  Speaker 5: They inspired people when people needed it the most.
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  Speaker 2: We enjoyed talking to Mavis about her family and the
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  Speaker 2: dynamic of the Staples singers, Pops, and of course now
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  Speaker 2: she's also a solo artist in her own right. She's
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  Speaker 2: influenced so many people.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody loves her and aside from the incredible music that
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  Speaker 5: she makes, all the stories that come along with the
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  Speaker 5: history she's had and the people she's encountered along the way.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I could just listen to her talk all
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  Speaker 5: day long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about all this and we sing several
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  Speaker 2: songs together, some that I didn't even know we were
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  Speaker 2: going to sing in this episode, So that was really fun.
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  Speaker 2: She just goes with it at all times, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what's so fun about being around Mavis.
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  Speaker 4: I met her for the first.
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  Speaker 2: Time in twenty ten when we were both honoring Paul
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  Speaker 2: McCartney at the Kennedy Center Honors and she saw me.
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  Speaker 4: We talk about this too, but she saw me and
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  Speaker 4: she took my hand and she said, oh, hey, should
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  Speaker 4: you be my daughter?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she just hugged me and it was just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pure love.
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  Speaker 4: Ever since then.
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  Speaker 2: So I was so honored that Mavis could join me
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  Speaker 2: and we could play songs together and reconnect. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a long time since I'd seen her.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we recorded this episode at Jeff Tweety's studio
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  Speaker 5: in Chicago called the Loft, and start off by talking
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  Speaker 5: about a song that he wrote for her called You
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  Speaker 5: Are Not Alone.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you enjoy. So that's the MAVs corner. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know that when I was here. You don't have
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  Speaker 4: a corner.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I've been all over the nooks, even in
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  Speaker 2: the draw.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well I tell you I got my first Grammy from here.
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  Speaker 4: Really.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, You're Not Alone. I was from the staple thing,
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  Speaker 7: just Mavis. Uh huh, Yeah, that was my first.
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  Speaker 2: Grand That's one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 6: It is beautiful and you and I got down on
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  Speaker 6: it too in the Apollo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was hoping we could start with it actually,
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  Speaker 2: just to warm us up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, no problem. Yeah, I know the words to that.
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  Speaker 2: Did whenever he brought it to you, were you moved
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  Speaker 2: by the lyrics?
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  Speaker 4: I was just out and see what he did.
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  Speaker 7: He was writing it right here in the studio and
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  Speaker 7: I was standing over him and he got through that
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  Speaker 7: first verse and I chill bumps came up, you know,
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  Speaker 7: and all of a sudden he stopped. I'm waiting for
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  Speaker 7: him to go into the second verse, and he stopped,
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  Speaker 7: and I said, what you doing. He says, I need
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  Speaker 7: more time, more time, he said. I said, oh, tweety,
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  Speaker 7: and he said.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna have it for you tomorrow. I gotta take
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  Speaker 6: it home. I'm gonna have for you tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: I said, okay, tweet.
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  Speaker 6: But he gave me the part of the melody, and
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  Speaker 6: I laid with that the night that I before tonight,
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  Speaker 6: I was at home, and when I came in the
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  Speaker 6: next day, he laid it on men.
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  Speaker 4: I tell you it just it just hit me. And because.
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  Speaker 6: At that time, you know, I was feeling alone. Really yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I had lost my sister, my oldest sister.
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  Speaker 7: And and uh my other sister was sick, you know.
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  Speaker 7: So the song hit me. You know, it was for me.
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  Speaker 7: It was for me.
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  Speaker 4: It feels made for you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was made for me. And uh, I love it.
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  Speaker 7: We sing it every show. We don't go off the
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  Speaker 7: stage without singing You're not alone.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard you sing this many, many times. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: love it. I was around the house singing it.
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  Speaker 6: If you feel alone, No, I don't alone. I just
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  Speaker 6: love the song I'm doing.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, now see I got you, babe.
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  Speaker 4: I love you. I love you two little girl. Well
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  Speaker 4: let's try it. Okay, you want to try it?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love.
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  Speaker 2: The thing I love about this song is how there's
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  Speaker 2: harmony the whole way through. Yes, and it has that
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  Speaker 2: not alone feeling it does.
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  Speaker 7: It's so beautiful and its just and and and it
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  Speaker 7: makes you.
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  Speaker 6: Feel it's so much better. It makes you feel like
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  Speaker 6: you're you're just telling the truth.
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  Speaker 4: You're not alone. I know you're not alone. And I
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  Speaker 4: tell you people people love it. People as soon as
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  Speaker 4: we hit it, they go, cobbe, it's the best hit it.
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  Speaker 9: You're not long, I'm with you, loaned to.
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  Speaker 6: H what's that song? Candy song?
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  Speaker 10: Got A broken Heart, a broken home, I slayed out
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  Speaker 10: and afraid.
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  Speaker 4: Open up. This is a rag.
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  Speaker 11: I want to get it through you.
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  Speaker 12: You, Oh not loan, You're not alone?
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  Speaker 6: Here the read night, I stand in your place. Either
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  Speaker 6: read whatever, reface taste the same.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 10: A broken dream, a broken.
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  Speaker 8: Heart, I slay it.
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  Speaker 4: And afraid open up.
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  Speaker 2: This is raided.
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  Speaker 6: Will to get it through you.
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  Speaker 4: You're not longe.
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  Speaker 6: An open hand, an open heart. There's no need to
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  Speaker 6: be afraid, overnap this raid.
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  Speaker 10: I wonna get it back to you.
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  Speaker 4: You're not alone.
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  Speaker 6: No no, I won't to get it through to you.
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  Speaker 4: You're not alone. No no, I'm gonna get it through
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  Speaker 4: to you.
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  Speaker 6: Not alone.
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  Speaker 4: Help me, Oh my god, shelp me.
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  Speaker 6: That was pretty Thank you. Oh that's a beautiful you are.
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  Speaker 6: So you played all that.
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  Speaker 7: Oh there was notes and that and that that dream and.
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  Speaker 4: That beautiful, so beautiful tweety A broken dream, a broken heart.
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  Speaker 6: It hurts, it hurts over.
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  Speaker 4: I just love it so much. And I loved Jeff.
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  Speaker 6: I was so glad you sang that with me and
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  Speaker 6: the Apollo.
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  Speaker 4: That was really fun.
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  Speaker 6: And at first they couldn't find the piano.
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  Speaker 4: Oh well I put it on a world it' sir right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I prayed. I said, he want to get her
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  Speaker 7: here and here they going.
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  Speaker 4: You prayed for a piano for me. Yeah, I'm honored.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, that was really fun. That was your birthday.
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  Speaker 4: It was my idea. That's crazy. Check that out.
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  Speaker 6: Wow, you helped me celebrate my birthday that was.
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  Speaker 2: The second time, because I was with you in Newport
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  Speaker 2: on one of your birthdays at the Focus.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, that must have been. That must have been
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  Speaker 7: my seven year.
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  Speaker 4: Probably, I think. I don't know. I can't remember. I
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  Speaker 4: stopped trying to remember.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember how old I am. Sometimes I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but but but who cares? I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 4: feel like any different.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we're buds and where this could be
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  Speaker 2: the same age or you know what I mean, like
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't my god.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't feel it doesn't feel very different. It doesn't feel
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  Speaker 4: very different.
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  Speaker 2: Though you've gotten more experienced than me.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, yes, and I you know, I'm
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  Speaker 7: I'm I'm the old girl. I'm just I'm the seniors.
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  Speaker 7: I'm the golden girl. But I'm hanging with young blood.
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  Speaker 2: You are, and people love you, young people love you.
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  Speaker 4: That makes me feel you know, you walk into the
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  Speaker 4: room and you make me feel young. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: You just bring the sunshine you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it really makes me feel good that the young adults.
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  Speaker 7: I have one friend who works at Columbia College over here,
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  Speaker 7: and she teaches, you know, she teaches music and she
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  Speaker 7: tells her students stories and she lets me know. She says, Maybes,
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  Speaker 7: these kids love you. These kids, Uh no, you don't know,
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  Speaker 7: Hermit Terry Hermitt. No, yeah, but she she tells me
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  Speaker 7: all the time, and it makes me.
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  Speaker 4: Feel so good. They do though, they love you so much.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well see they see that I'm a kid too,
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  Speaker 4: you are, I admit, I agree. Yeah, I've never grown up.
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  Speaker 6: In my heart, I'm still a little kid, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And I just I just I love to play, I
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  Speaker 6: love to sing.
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  Speaker 4: I just love people. So I love babies.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man, are you take everybody's bab Are you good
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  Speaker 4: with them? I'm good with yeah. Oh.
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  Speaker 7: We get on a plane and and I always take
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  Speaker 7: this little bottle of bubbles with me just in case
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  Speaker 7: some baby is going to cry on that plane.
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  Speaker 4: And I wait on it.
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  Speaker 7: When I hear baby cry, I get my bubbles out,
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  Speaker 7: find the baby, and I started blowing bubbles. And the
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  Speaker 7: baby looks at the bubbles. Mama be so happy that
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  Speaker 7: I came along. Yeah, what I'm bubbles.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that's your nickname, right, that's my nickname? Yeah? Who
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  Speaker 4: gave you that nickname? Really? Since you were a little girl,
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  Speaker 4: since you were little?
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  Speaker 6: No, not it wasn't until I was about I wasn't
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  Speaker 6: thirty yet.
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  Speaker 7: I was in my twenties, okay, and uh, I asked,
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  Speaker 7: I said, Mama, why you call me bubbles?
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  Speaker 6: She said, maybe it's because you're so bubbly. You're just
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  Speaker 6: always so happy.
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  Speaker 4: You just you know, you just came out that way.
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  Speaker 4: I came that way.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to ask that where that comes from.
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  Speaker 2: But I think people who have that just are like that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just happy, go lucky all the time.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a great way to be. It really is.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm grateful because but every now and then I'll
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  Speaker 7: let something get on my nerve. But it's got to
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  Speaker 7: be strong, yeah, you know, because most of the time
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  Speaker 7: I overlook it whatever. You know, if it was supposed
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  Speaker 7: to get on my nerve, I can overlook it and
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  Speaker 7: stay happy.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I'll take some of that, please, Can I have some
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  Speaker 4: of that? It's free of charge.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty happy in general, but I'm not a bubbly person,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like I don't bring the
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  Speaker 2: sunshine into every room, but I don't get too sad.
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  Speaker 4: Usually I'm pretty even.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I have I don't realize it, but you do
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  Speaker 7: bring the sunshine.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's kind of you. But I mean, when I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about you bring in the sunshine, you're on a hole.
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  Speaker 6: Well come in, noisey, noisy, cruel.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And and and Prince used to tell me, he said, Davis,
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  Speaker 6: you're talking too loud.
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  Speaker 4: Really, what a thing to say that would be.
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  Speaker 7: I was grateful though, because also told me then really,
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  Speaker 7: but I've always told you know, there were five of
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  Speaker 7: us children in the house. Yeah, and if you want
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  Speaker 7: to be heard, you gotta let your voice be heard.
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  Speaker 6: I was just I come from a noisy crew, just like.
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  Speaker 4: I say, all the hig family. That's what it's about.
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  Speaker 7: Right, But right, and I'm I'm just grateful.
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  Speaker 6: I know I should talk softer and save.
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  Speaker 2: I think at this point you're good. Did they say
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  Speaker 2: that out of concern for your singing voice? Yeah, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I get that. But if it hadn't been
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  Speaker 2: a problem yet, right then.
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  Speaker 6: Right, I'm not talking about all my life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be a problem.
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  Speaker 7: But I guess they were just used to being around
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  Speaker 7: people who talked under their voice.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and now I was surprised his voice so.
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  Speaker 2: Mayavis, Prince he had a low speaking voice. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: met him once, but he did he and he was
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  Speaker 2: very soft spoken.
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  Speaker 4: He was, he was, and he observed a lot, right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I took him to I said, Prince, it's just gonna
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  Speaker 7: have to make you my son.
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  Speaker 4: Al right, Bavis, I'll be your son.
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  Speaker 7: And I loved him talk because his voice was just rare. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you know, but when he sing, you know, it was
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  Speaker 7: a heavy voice when he sing to but to talk.
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  Speaker 7: I saw him do an interview with Arsenio Hall one time,
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  Speaker 7: and man, his voice.
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  Speaker 4: Or Senior was shocked. He was shocked too.
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  Speaker 7: But some people, uh talk in a different voice then
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  Speaker 7: they sing.
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  Speaker 2: My kids told me that when they hear my voice singing,
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  Speaker 2: they think I sound different when I'm just home.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you're telling them what to do, That's what
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  Speaker 4: they tell me.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they tell you said, yes, your boy, your
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  Speaker 7: singing voice is very mellow and sweet and soft and
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  Speaker 7: and and you you could make a person hurt themselves.
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  Speaker 7: You just you just calm you down. You said, when
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  Speaker 7: I first heard what's.
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  Speaker 4: The name, Oh don't know why, don't know why?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, when I first don't know, don't know why.
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  Speaker 7: I was around the house doing something and that came
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  Speaker 7: on the radio and I stopped whatever I was doing.
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  Speaker 7: I had to stop and listen. And then the next time,
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  Speaker 7: I said, it's a beautiful song. Next time I heard it,
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  Speaker 7: I saw you. You were on television.
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  Speaker 6: And I was walking around. I was again the TV
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  Speaker 6: was on and you came on and I said, it's
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  Speaker 6: a song.
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  Speaker 4: I saw you. I said, oh my.
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  Speaker 6: Goodness, start singing it.
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  Speaker 7: And it's just been one of my favorites all time.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah, my friend Jesse Harris wrote that song. Really,
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  Speaker 4: he was in my band and he wrote the song.
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  Speaker 4: I Love You wrote it.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes people think I wrote it, but hey, I wrote
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  Speaker 2: a few songs on that album, but I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: get deep into songwriting until a little bit later.
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  Speaker 4: Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you sing it like you wrote it. I think
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  Speaker 4: you have to, don't you.
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  Speaker 2: You have to feel like you own the song to
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  Speaker 2: really deliver it, even if you didn't come up with it, right.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what you do with the Jeff Twitty songs. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what you do with every song. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: really do what you have to do, you really do.
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  Speaker 7: You've got to from your heart. Yeah, it's got to
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  Speaker 7: come from your heart. If you you want to deliver
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  Speaker 7: it and you want people to get it and feel
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  Speaker 7: it and react from it the way you have, that's
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  Speaker 7: what's the way you gotta do.
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  Speaker 10: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Pop's always told me.
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  Speaker 7: We were in in New York one time about I
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: was about thirteen years old, and these kids sang before us,
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: and they were just jumping all across the stage and
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: singing loud. So when it was time for us to sing,
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: I did that. Yeah, and my father snatched me off
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: the stage. He said, what is wrong with you?
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: Maybe?
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Wow, he said, what are you doing? I said, I'm
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: just singing. Dad, He said, maybe, let me tell you something.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: You don't you your music don't need a gimmick. You
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: don't need a gimmick.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: You sing from your heart. Sing what comes from the
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: heart reaches the heart. And that's the way. I've never
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: forgotten it, never, you know. And he said, you don't
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: be you don't have to clown. You don't need to
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: give me. I was drying the kids they were jumping
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: across the stage. Yeah, singing loud, and uh, he says,
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: the uh. You singing sacred music. You don't need any gimmick.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: Sing from your heart. If you sing from your heart,
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: you'll reek the people.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I agree with that. I also I think his voice
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: also had that mellow, easy going.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't trying to sing over anybody, but you
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: had to lean in.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: To hear it. And then it hit you right right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: And you're the same way. You know, you laid back.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know where, I don't know why, but you are.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: I'm just so proud to know you, a little lady.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I'm proud to know you.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I met you at the Kennedy Center for the first time,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and you took my hands.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And you saw I was nervous. I remember you knew
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I was nervous.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: I knew, yeah, you.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Could tell I could. So you took me and you
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: held me. I said, I gotta protect this little girl.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I was like, what am I doing here? Yeah?
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: I came on down there and got you and just
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: stand right by me and we held hands all through
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: that finale.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, that was so fun. It was so special meeting
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: you there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Oh man, that was a good time. Yeah, that was
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: a good time. Anytime I see your name, I flare up.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: You know, that could go either way.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: And I was seeing you, I was seeing you so.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: Much like you told me, Yes, that was Christmas. But
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: Christmas needed you, I was, it really needed you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You know what I needed Christmas last year, and that's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: why I made a Christmas album because I needed I
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: needed a little joyful, something right feel right good.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm glad you made that album because they they
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: were a featuring.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: You all week, all day again.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Christmas exhaustion. Oh it was beautiful.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: You know recorded the song from your Christmas The Staples
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Singers Christmas album we did the twenty fifth day of December.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Did you.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I'll send it to you.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't on the album, but it was
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a bonus track. Oh, because I didn't feel like we
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: made it. It was so your version is so good
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: it was hard to beat it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: But it's great. It's still a.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Great version, and it's a great I loved your I
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: listened to your Christmas album a.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Lot really recording. Yeah really, Oh and that was so
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: many years ago. Yeah, wow, but it's beautiful. It's a
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: beautiful album.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: And and and Pops, he wrote the song there was
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: a star he did. Yeah, he wrote that and uh,
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: oh my god, Christmas. For a long time, you couldn't
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: find it we couldn't find it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, they had to reissue it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and and the Blind Boys they did some songs
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: from that album.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: But I got to hear twenty five. That was my favorite.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: It was so maybewhere.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: My May, Julie last all good September October.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: No them, It wasn't last Mone of the year.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, twenty fifth day of December.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Did I leave it or not?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I mean I kept saying when we were recording it,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I kept saying the twenty second, twenty first day of December,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: just because it rolled off my tongue Rock and my
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: drummer Brian.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: But he goes Nora. I think that's when Larry. You
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: gotta get right.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: It's the twenty fifth day in December, not.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: The twenty first day Jesus birthday.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, don't get that one right.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: No, Yeah, and props brought that posa. Tell me when
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: was Jesus born.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Last mone of the year?
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: When was Jesus.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: Born last one of the year? When was bone.
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: Last mona?
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: The yead you got January, March, April, and May, June, July,
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: all good, September, October? No nomboy. It was twenty fifth
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: del d seven. Boy, it was the last Money year,
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: Born by the Virgin Mary Last Money.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: He was born by the.
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: Virgin Mary, Last Money, Born by the Virgin Mary Last.
• 26:45
  Speaker 13: Monny we got January, uh huh, February, yeah, mich April, May, June, July,
• 26:57
  Speaker 13: all Gus, September No, No, the Denbury It was the
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: twenty fifth de d somebody it was.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: The last Money.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I love it. Yeah, it was fun.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: Oh my goodness. Yeah, well we're having Christmas today.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I love the end of that song, Last Mother the.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: So how low can you go? How low can you go?
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I didn't go down? Oh my god, I didn't go down.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Whoa how low can you go? I can go down
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: very low?
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: That is amazing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: But did you like that when you were younger?
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: You know, my voice was so heavy always, and I
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: get I take it from my mother and my grandmother.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: They had strong voices.
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: But I would Yeah, when I was a kid, it
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: was my voice is higher now when I get my
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: tonsils removed?
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Oh really, it got higher. Yeah that's so weird.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I would fight. Kids would tell me you
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: sound like a boy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: And when we started traveling, if I called down for breakfast,
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: the lady.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Would say yes, mister Staples, Yes, sir, I said.
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: And I heard it so much the last time. I said,
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: I'm a lady, and they said, oh, I'm sorry, you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: but yeah, it's always been uh. I've always had a
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: heavy voice. And and I used to sing bass our
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: first record. You know what I'm saying, Well, the will
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: the Willow who that's insane?
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: And how old were you?
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: I was a kid, I was like like nine years old.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: That's when uncloudy Day came.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Oh no, and cloudy Day came when I was thirteen, okay.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Twelve thirteen. But but.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: They wanted to record us when I was a kid,
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: and Pops wouldn't allow it. The president of VJ Records,
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: Vivian Carter, she called Daddy. She said, she says, Stap,
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: those kids, y'all need to be on record. And Pop said, well, Vivian,
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: I don't know nothing about those records.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: He was all of us were green, we did, you know?
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: And he said, I'm not gonna let my children get
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: on those records.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: He was afraid because he was too young, right, he
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: didn't know.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: What would business of it. Wow.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: And my sister Yvonne, she would go, she would and
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: got books. She got this big read book, this business
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: of music.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: She learned. She helped him a lot. Really people, Oh yeah, she.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Got that book and help you guys figure out that's incredible.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she sure did. She stayed right with him, you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: booking and and she.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Taught him a lot.
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: But also people like the Soulists and and uh sister
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: Maya Jackson, they were already recording and they would tell
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: Daddy different things. You know, they would tell him, you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: what to do and how.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: To do and watch out for this.
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: So when I was about twelve, perhaps called Vivian and
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: told her. He said, okay, Vivia, we'll make that recognized.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: Let my children.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: And after he'd read the book, Yeah, yeah, he felt good.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because Pops, Pops didn't know. You know, we didn't
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: We were just singing. He used to sing with an
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: all male group, six guys, and these guys wouldn't come
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: to rehearsal, so Poss would be frustrated.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: He'd come home mad.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: He came home that third time and he went in
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: the closet, pulled out a little guitar that he had.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: We didn't even know he had a guitar. He couldn't
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: play it. He could play it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: He couldn't have all the strings, but he could make
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: it sound good. And he told my Aunt Katy, he said,
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna sing with my children. He called all of
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: us into the living room, sit us down on the
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: floor in the circle, and began giving us voices that
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: he and his sisters and brothers used to sing when
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: they were in Mississippi.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: That's incredible.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: People thought we were old people when we were We
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: would go places and they just knew we were old.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: They heard us, and.
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: Because because we had a little radio fifteen minute radio
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: show Sunday morning, and we would sing, and they thought
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: we were old people because Pops, we were singing those
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: old voices like his sisters and brothers. We would walk
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: in little stairsteps and they said, that's the stables sing already.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but that's yeah.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: He would give us those voices and and that's how
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: we started singing. My Aunt Katie lived with us, okay,
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: and she came through one night.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: She says, Chuck, y'all sound pretty good. And my church Sonday,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: had you already been singing in church your whole lives?
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: No, yeah, we've been singing. We hadn't do as the family,
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: we hadn't been singing in church. We didn't start we
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: started doing programs at churches. But but uh, my sister
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: and brother were in the young people's choir.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I was too young to go. Okay, yeah, so you
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: didn't really sing much until he started doing it, until
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: he started using what's your order? There's five of you kids.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I'm the baby, you're the baby. Yeah, okay, bubbles, I
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: get it now. Yeah, I'm the baby.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Oh no, Cynthia, I was the baby for twelve years.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Oh wow. And my baby sister came along, and you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't like how did that go?
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: I didn't like that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: I would be putting diapers on that baby and I
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: stick up. Mama said maybe you were sticking that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I said no, ma'am mama.
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: But Cynthia and I became the best of friends. We
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: became the t I called her blessed, and she called
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: me Rabel. She couldn't say my name Rabel, and and
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: uh oh we she was, uh yeah, she was, she was.
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: I told Papa, I said, we gotta put Cynthia. She
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: would sing songs with us when we were in Chicago
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: at the different churches. You know, but yes, Cynthia, and see,
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: Mama and daddy they were just my mother was heavy set,
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: so I never knew she was pregnant, you.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Know, she just happened.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: I didn't know where this baby came from. And they
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: told me, uh to pacify me. Uh because when my
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: mother came home, she didn't bring the baby. She had
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: to leave the baby there, and and and and Mama said,
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: you go with with with Roebuck, get to pick up
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: the baby. I said, what baby?
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: What baby? Oh, my gosh. And uh.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: Then they started telling me that we had this baby,
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: and so they let me name her.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: They did, Oh yeah, Cynthia.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Marie that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I named her. Oh boy.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: And see, because because what happened, my father he would
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: he would he wouldn't, he wouldn't pass me up. He
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: goes straight to that baby of bed or wherever she was.
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: And and blowing. He used to blow in my stomach,
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: make me laugh.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Tore me up in the air when he'd come from work.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: And all that stopped.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, And so somebody should have been around
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: to talk to him, let him know he was supposed
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: to keep doing that.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: That's interesting. Yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I grew up an only child, so It's like just
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what it was like being in
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: a family, Like.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah, it was good being in them.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: We we uh, we would have we would disagree, we
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: didn't have any We fuss sometime, but Mama would tell us,
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: don't do that. You have to love your sister, and
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: and that's your sister. And you all make up apologizing me.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: But you know, Yvonne and Cleatee they would do most.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Of the argience. Oh yeah, because they were the close
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: older That makes sense.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever you guys were traveling, when how old were
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: you when you started really traveling around and touring.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I guess, oh, yes, we were touring.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: Were how old were you.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: In that start?
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I was, I was like about thirteen.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Uncloudy Day was a hit. It was a hit, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: you were thirteen years old. Uncloudy Day.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: This woman called pop, She says, Staples, this record is
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: selling like an R and B. And it turned out
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: that it was the first gospel record to sell a million.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: That's insane. It was.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, it was the first.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Gospel and and and uh.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: But but we would we would.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: Be we would go to down South, we would go
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: to Milwaukee, Gary, all around Chicago and sing and and.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: People would bet the disc jockey.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: When we went to New Orleans.
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: Memphis, the disc jockey would get on the radio and say,
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: this is little Navy staple. This little girl is singing this.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: People would bet that I was not a little girl.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because you had that deep.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: I'm saying, well will will oh? Yeah, lord, they tell
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: me now, And I.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Got home.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: I got a home, and you know, I'm a little girl,
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: little skinny girl.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And you're short now, so you're probably I was even shorter.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: I was even shorter. But but but yeah, they would bet.
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: And what we would do, we would fool the people.
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: We would sing uncodly dady down in harmony.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: Whoa.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: They tell me all of that and then get to
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: the end of it, and I come.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: In with, well, will will oh.
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: So what happened was my brother at that people would
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: be sitting on they all of these people that bet
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: that I am not a little girl, and all of
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: a sudden, perverse move my brother like he's gonna say,
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: and you hear the people, I.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Told you that wasn't no little girl. I told you
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: that one. And I'm easy thene how easy to the mic?
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: And they look up and it's really a little girls. Oh,
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: we had so much fun with it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: But that's so fun to travel with your family. Did
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it ever get sticky?
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Nah?
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: No, you always anything even throughout through he got older.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: All of it, all of it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: The only only thing Evonne Clete would argue about saying
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: was what to wear.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: One of them wanted to wear this, and one of
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: them wanted to wear that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: And see, because you know my brother he left the
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: group in nineteen sixty nine. It hurt me so bad, really,
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: because Purvis and I we had this clap. Nobody could
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: do that clap the way we would. And he just
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: got grown a man, you know me, and they get
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: tired of doing what their father.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Tell them to do. You know.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: He wanted to be his own man. Because Pop's asking.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: Pop said, perr, you sure you don't want to just
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: take a leave of accent, No, daddy, nope, I quit done.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: And just as he quit, I'll take you there, hit Oh,
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: And and his friends would would mess with him.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: He go into one.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: Of their bars or whatever, and they put a quarter
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: in the juke box and play I'll take you there.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Said, y'all shouldn't do that.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he did all right he he he managed
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: the emotions.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: For a while. Oh wow, so he got into the business. Yeah, oh,
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: he was still in the business. He was still on
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: the other side of it, right right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: They were They were gospel singers at first, and they
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: were our little friends, the hutcheson Sunbeams. I mean, they
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: wanted to sing R and B and so that's when
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: Purvis took them down the stacks, got him a choreographer,
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: tarts steps.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: They had some hits then.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's amazing.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing to me how close you guys
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: stayed and that there was let you know, there could.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Have been a lot of drama there.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh yeah. But but but but my mother
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: wouldn't allow it. Mama and Daddy, you.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Know, they just taught us. They they taught us. We
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: grew up loving one another.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: That's so special though, and it's it really feels unique.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, you're an only child, but I
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: do have a half sister who's two years younger than me,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: but we both grew up separately, so we didn't know
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: each other till we were a little older. Oh wow,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: but yeah, only child. That sounds like a party to me.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh my god.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because some are you spoiled? Of course you are.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but if you ask my mother, she
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: would tell you a different answer.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: Well, you know I met your mom, Yeah you did.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: She's very tall.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, she is tall. She's tall, yeah, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I'm short. She's five to ten. I'm five to one.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So I didn't really.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I might have been spoiled, but I never messed with
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: her like I was a good kid, because I didn't
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: want her to get mad.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: She was so oh yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she was tough, and by her being so tall,
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: you say I've been, I messed with her.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But all you had to do was leap up.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I don't think that would have flown with her.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: You did the right thing. Listen to mom. Mom knows best.
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: I try, Yeah, you try try.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I was wondering. Do you remember the first
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: song you sang with Pops when he was teaching you?
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: The very first song my father taught us was what
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: the Circle Beyond?
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I love that.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: One of the Circle Beyond broke and all that was
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: his faith. And on our records we recorded it about
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: four or five times, but on the record Pops is singing,
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: and I love to hear Pop sing because he was
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: so smooth. You know, he was a singer like you.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: He was.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: He was laid back.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Look, Sladh Stone came to Pops one day and said, hey, Pop,
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: give me the bag, and Pop say what you're talking about?
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: He said, come on, mom, give me the bag. I
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: know you got.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: It because he was so laid back.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they thought.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: And purpose my brother had to tell Daddy what I
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: was talking about. And Pop he says, like, you come,
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna choke you boy. You know I don't do that.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: Mass too funny. Yeah, wow, it was so funny.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because they would all talk about how.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: Laid back Pop sing, you know, and and his voice
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: is just flowed.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: But when he taught us circle be Unbroken and and
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: and we have sang it. We sang it with Johnny
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: Cash on his television show. It was the Staples family
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: and the Carter family. That was years ago.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: That must have been fun. It was fun. Yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: It was for one of one of his specials, you know.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Those TV special Yeah.
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: I love yeah, but but and I sing it all
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: that's on my on my list on our show and
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: perhaps may uh, because we look at us as a family.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: That's our circle.
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: And he put us in a circle when he started
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: giving us the voices to sing.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: It was I can just picture it. You're sitting down
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: in the circle.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna sing some of it for you.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: You sing it to you know. I don't know what
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: key I.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: Sing in now you know that.
• 43:10
  Speaker 14: I was thinking, g.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: I was stegning too low?
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Huh?
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Is that too low?
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: No?
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: That's good. What you say, key that is?
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: That's g okay, that's a shame. I don't know what
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: ky I sing at.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: No, it's not probably has changed over the years.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: I'd probably a yeah, I sing in some different keys
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: though in our shoulders.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: But it's all right. I don't need to know what
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: yeah I say. I can do it in any key.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: You just tell me.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, no, you were I think that was good. I
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: was stinning and that's where you were.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: And on a cold and cloud any day.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: When I saw the hers come rolling.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: Or to care my mother the away, Well, it's a circle.
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: Be row can.
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: By and by lord by and bye.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Here's a bed.
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: Hold away in the sky Lord and the scot.
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: Wo.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: I told the.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Under take, please drive slow cause it's lady that you
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: haul land. Oh why to see her go.
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: Will the circles being broken.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: By and by Lord, by bye, there's a.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Bed home away in the sky Lord in the sky.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: I will follower close behind her.
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: Try to hold up and be brave, but I could not.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Pull my side role.
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: Winner laid her in the grain in the circle.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Be broken.
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: Bye and bye, bye and bye.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: There's a bad uh my way in the sky.
• 46:32
  Speaker 16: Lord in the sky in the sky, love him the
• 46:42
  Speaker 16: sky in the sky, Lord in the sky.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Oh you sound just like Cleedy?
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: Oh really? Oh yeah? I Cleedy in your foot girl,
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: don't stop me crying.
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: I tell you my sister Kleedye. She had the best
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: best soprano voice.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Really so you were low and she was high. Yeah. Yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: so you come from it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: And I credit her for the Staples singer sound.
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: Really oh yeah, oh wow. She would shoot and look.
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: Aretha would be recording and she tell her sister Carolyn, Now, Carolyn,
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: want to sound like cleother.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's amazing. Yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: And and and Carolyn was saying, Carolyn told me about it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: She said, maybe's I told her I can't sound like.
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: Cleop She was mad about it, mad oh yeah, but
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: it's a different Pops give Cley like a minor. She
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: would go like, I know what I'm talking about, minor
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: in some places.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: And but her boys, if you on all of our.
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: Old stuff where Coletia is singing, her voice stands out,
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: and and and her her soprano, and Popsa's guitar, that's
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: the staple of singers.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I love his guitar so much.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And he cool taught himself, well, that's what's good about it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: It's just feeling right. It's simple, but it's it's got
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the thing.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: That's what it's got, the sound, feeling right.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: When did he how did he get that electric sound?
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Do you know how that came about?
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Pop?
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: I remember when he got that tremolo.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Because that wasn't typical then, no gospel music.
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: No and and and and some preachers, some preachers didn't
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: want to contemplay his guitar in the church. And Pop
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: said to let him know, look, you read your Bible
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: string instruments, saying the Bible, you know the heart. The
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: Pop would name them all. I guess, uh, what's that
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: other one? I can't call the name of it. But
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: but but and and and we just wouldn't go to
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: the church if they wouldn't let Pops playing his guitar.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: But he learned from a blues man, Charlie Patton.
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: Okay, see he.
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: Pop Pops was on this farm, Patrick Practice Farm in Mississippi,
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: and this man was hollering with a lot of the
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: blues singers were on this this farm, and and and uh.
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: Pops would tell us how this man, Charlie Patton would
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: be playing and and look, we didn't know for years.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: While we were singing gospel, our father was playing the
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: blues on.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: His Yeah, that's what it is. It's the marriage of
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: those two things. And that made it so unique, right
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: right right.
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: But he he he, he went to the guitar store
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: one day and he came back.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: With this trimolo.
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: He said, y'all, let said listen to this, and he
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: was drum and Elvis Presley told me one time, the
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: first time, yeah, the only time I ever saw him.
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: And the first time I ever saw him, we were
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: in Memphis and I was standing on the side.
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: It was a starlight review outside.
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: And I was standing over in the wing, and all
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: of a sudden he come in with one of his partners.
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: They got these leather jackets on like they've been riding motorcycles,
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: and and and we had sang and and uh. He
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: told me, he said, I like the way your father
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: played that guitar. I said, well, thank you. He said, yeah,
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: he plays a nervous.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Guitar, A nervous guitar. He called it a nervous guitar.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: What does that mean? Because of them? That was a
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: good expression.
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: I said, well, I've never heard that before, A nervous guitar. Yeah,
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: that's what I'll never forget. And that was my meeting
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: with Elvis Presley. I didn't know who one of the guys,
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: David Ruffin who sing who later sang with the Temptation
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: he was singing with a gospel.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: He told me, he said, maybe you know who that
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: guy what you was talking to? I said no. He
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: said blue Sways shoes. I said, I said, that's him.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: That's the way he would let me know because of
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: blue sweight shoes.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: But yeah, Pops played a nervous guitar.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Did he laugh at that description?
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Did he laugh? He did? He laugh?
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: He told me, maybe, why didn't you call me over
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: to let me me? I said, Daddy, I didn't really
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: know who he was. I was just a David told
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: me who he was. Yeah, that was beautiful.
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: That's a good expression of him though. Of Pops is
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: guitar nervous guitar because it does.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: That's just the funniest thing I've heard.
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but but yeah, Daddy, that's that's when he
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: learned how to play his guitar. And he was always
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: playing it in the house, you know, after he'd let
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: us know we had a guitar, because we didn't know
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: until those guys wouldn't come to rehearsal.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: And he decided he probably.
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: We probably wouldn't be any Staples singers if they had
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: they had come to rehearsal.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I thank them wow for being not not there,
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: not not serious about this.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: They were the trumpet to and they had a good
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: group too, Possle singing lead and uh and Pops had
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: a voice. He would he he never went into his
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: false settle on the Staple singers.
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he would go and he would tell me
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: what how they do it up in heaven today and
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: then he goes pee thereby there like a river.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: They say, oh possible bad. Yeah, And I recorded a
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: song with Tweety that's what.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: Are they doing in heaven. I'm not singing it like.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Pops though, Well that's okay. You sing like you. I
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: thing like me.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I sing like me.
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: I'm so grateful to be talking to you, little lady.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: You are.
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: You are so different from anybody else out here.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, nobody.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: Sounding like you.
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: Nobody get me up break But that's what show.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: But that's what you want, right to be, to be different, right,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: and but but I'm just honored.
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: You know, dude, I never thought I would meet you
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: when I first heard you on the radio.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Don't know why. I said, listen to who is she?
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Who is she? I'm still figuring it out.
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, well no, well you you are a giant. You
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: a tiny little lady.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: You are a giant. I tell you, I love it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: And when I came to your show in the Red Rocks.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we did a show together. Yes, Yes, that was fun.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: I started it off.
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: I warmed them up for you.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: You killed it, and I was nervous to go on out.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I was, of course.
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: I those people, all those people that came out for you,
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: and and and I noticed you were doing.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Some songs that I hadn't heard.
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and every time you would hit one of those songs,
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: the crowd would roar, that's.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: So funny, that's what Well, that's one of my favorite
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: audiences at Red Rocks, and they're always very loving.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: You play there many times, right, Yes, yeah, we.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: Have we have oh with different people. Yours was the best.
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: We had fun.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: We have fun.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: We had recorded a song together that Pete Ran wrote.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember it, but I was
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: wondering if you feel like trying it.
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: Oh, it'll come to me as you go, because I
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: that's been a while.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: What happened? Anyway? We were supposed to go on tour
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: with that song.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: We were gonna go on tour and then the pandemic hit. Yeah,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: we were gonna do a bunch of shows together.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, I remember. I was so happy.
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: Me too. Oh man, we will again because it again.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, really, we will just do it again. We do
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: it again and set it up. You set it up.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: There's a play pies.
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: Five from here.
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: Going to make it my homes swear I've been a lone.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Where I get.
• 56:32
  Speaker 8: Where I'm going, I'll be gone, I'll be gone.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Where my horse get so tired.
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: That candy tail time, don't you crie?
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: M When I gain.
• 57:16
  Speaker 15: Where I'm going, I'll be gone. I'll be gone.
• 57:32
  Speaker 17: Where sha I could tell you that the sun was
• 57:36
  Speaker 17: gonna shine.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: I've got a feeling.
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: That I still want change my mind running out of
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: the tide. There's a place on the mountain you can
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: take my bones. But I go home.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: When I get.
• 58:29
  Speaker 15: Where I'm going, I'll be.
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: Gone, I'll be gone.
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: I got to tell you that it's all going to
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: be just find.
• 58:55
  Speaker 12: But I don't wanna.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: Waste anymore of your time. You didn't waste mind. Oh
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: now you're talk about a beautiful song.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful songs. He wrote this a long time ago, really, yeah,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe eight years nine years ago. And yeah,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: at one point he mentioned, gosh, it would be cool
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: to hear maybe his sing this.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: So I was like, you're right, but yeah, you.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Know, I'm I'm a little shy sometimes I have a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: hard time reaching out and asking to do things.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 13: But don't be that way with me, Okay, now you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 13: know it don't come to me anything but anything.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: But it came full circle, but not for like five
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: more years and then and then I got unshy and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I asked you to sing it.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I was so that that blew
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: my mind. I said, oh wow, it's a great one.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: That's what I wish. I could play up anything.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: And you never picked anything up.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: I picked up the guitar.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: I told Pops I wanted to play that guitar. And
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: he's tried to teach me, but he didn't. He wasn't
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: taught either. So and and then it.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: Was a time when Pops was still frisky.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: I was young. What does that mean.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: I mean he wasn't readily okay, didn't.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Have the patient I think I took it the wrong way.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: No, I didn't man going out on mama.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know that's that's frisky. But no, he just
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: wasn't patient enough.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: So he gave me about he got me a little
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: training guitar, and he gave me about three lessons and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: he was done. He said, maybe I'll tell you what, baby.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: You go down to Lion Heally And I'm eleven years old.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: I don't know how to.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: Go downtown to line Healey.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: To get lessons.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah, to get lessons from them.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: And I told him, I said, Daddy, I want to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: pick it like you and sister Rose at the Thark.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: I don't want to, you know, but but if I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: had learned, if I had learned how to strum, I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: think that would have made it easier for him to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: teach me.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: You know, to pick. Picking is harder, harder.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, I know that's but but but I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: would have been happy strumming.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about when you guys met
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  Speaker 2: doctor Martin Luther King and you kind of switched from
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  Speaker 2: singing gospel to singing these freedom songs protest songs. I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: read something about Pops meeting him and saying he wants
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: to sing his words.
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  Speaker 4: That is the most beautiful thing I've heard. That was something. Yeah, Pops,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: he it just happened.
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  Speaker 7: We were in Montgomery, Alabama, on Sunday morning. We didn't
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: have to work until that night, and Pops called my
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: sisters and I to his room and he told us,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: he said, listen, y'all, this man Martin is here, Martin
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  Speaker 7: Luther King, and he has a church here.
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  Speaker 6: He said, I've been listening to him on the radio.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: Doctor King had a radio show.
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  Speaker 7: And Pops had been listening to him, and he said,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: I'd like to go to his eleven o'clock service.
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  Speaker 4: Do you all want to go, Yeah, Daddy, we wanna go.
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  Speaker 7: We all got in the car, went down the decks
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  Speaker 7: to Avenue Baptist Church and and we were ushered in
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: and seated. Someone let Doctor L. King know that we
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: were in the service, and he acknowledged us.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: He said, we got to have Poper Staples and his
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: daughter's here this morning. Hope you enjoyed the service. Well,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: we enjoyed the service.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: And that at as the the service is over, the worshipers,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: Doctor King stands at the door to shake the worshiper's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: hands as as they filed out, and Pops walked past
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: shook his hand. Now, my sisters and I did first
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: we shoot, We shoot doctor King. Oh that was a feeling.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: I shook his hand and Pops we had to wait
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: on him. He stood there and talked to him for
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: a while. He finally came on. We get back to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: the hotel. He called us to his room again and
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: he said, listen, y'all, I l this man's message. I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: really like his message, and I think that if he
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: can preach it, we can sing it.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: And we started writing freedom songs. March up Freedom Highway?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: Why am I treated so bad?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: We we we we.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: We switched over because we didn't feel that it was
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: anything wrong. We felt like this was close to gospel. Yeah,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: you know, we singing the truth, you know.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: We we we we wanna we want We joined the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: movement and and uh we would sing. We would sing
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: before Doctor King would speak.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: We'd go to the meetings and Doctor King would tell Pop, stay,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: you're gonna sing my song the night right probably say, oh, yeah,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: doctor were gonna sing your song?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Why am I treated so bad? Yeah?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: That was his favorite, and and and and people asked
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: me what did He never talked to us girls. He
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: never sit down, and he would just he would just
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: say something, how you girls doing this morning?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: Y'all doing all right? Yes, sir doctor King? Wow.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: But he wouldn't sit in hold and Pops would talk.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: People ask me, what did he talk to you about?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 7: What he didn't talk to me?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: But what what I did remember mostly Doctor King was
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: his laughter. He had this laughter when he laughed, because
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: most of the time I would see him, he either
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: looked sad or serious, you know, And when I'd hear
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: him laugh, that would make my heart happy because I said,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: doctor King's happy, And that would be most of the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: time when we'd be going to the meeting and the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: men would be in a huddle down in the parking lot,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, you hear doctor King laughing.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: That made me feel so good.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: But no, he never held a conversation with my sisters
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: and I.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: He was just asking that.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: He said the same way every time you girls doing
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: this morning.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: Wow, how much older was he?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: You were young?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: Still? I was young? Yeah? How young were you then?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just I.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: Was well in the sixties sixty This was like about
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: sixty three, nineteen sixty three, so I was born in
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: thirty nine.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: I'm not good at math. You were in your you
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: were in your early twenties.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: Oh, let's say you know, yeah, I was in my
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: early twenties.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: But but that was when we joined the movement and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: we became.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: The soundtrack you did. Yeah.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: Congressman John Lewis would tell oh, he was my friend.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: Now he was my friend.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: And I went to his office when I did a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: Freedom album with Ray Koto, and I asked him if
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: he would write my liner notes, and he said, baby,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: you know, you and your family, y'all kept us motivated,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: kept us inspired.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: To keep on watching your songs.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: I said, yes, sir, not because after surprised he remembered me. Yeah,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: I said you, I hadn't seen him in the years,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: and uh, I was surprised.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: He gave me a meeting and.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 18: His of course he remembered he didn't remember me, baby,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 18: your family, and and so he I hate I missed
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 18: his birthday, invited me to his last birthday party.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: And I couldn't go. We were working, you know, But
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: but he was my friend to the end. Yeah, Congressman
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: John Lewis.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: That's beautiful, Uncle John, Uncle John.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: When you guys were writing songs, was everybody was collectively
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: just sort of pitching in?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Did Pops always yeah? Was he Did he ever work
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: on songwriting like on his own all the time? Or yeah?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: He did.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: Pops was always jotting something down, you know, and and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: we would help him. We would put some words in
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 7: on this on But but that's Daddy's something we we
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: don't want any credit for, okay, right, and we give
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: them to Daddy, all of us. Interesting, Yeah, we we
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: we dropped drop words and he can march of Freedom's Highway.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: Made up my mind and I won't turn around, made
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: up mine. And there's this one thing I can't understand,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: my friend, that I'm proud of that because that was
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: me Why some folk think freedom was not designed for
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: all men? There are so many people living their life perplexed.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: Wondering in their minds, what's going.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: To happen next. That's why we're going to march, you know.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: That was the very first one we wrote for the movement.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: And boy, we moved on. We and and uh we
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: were seeing that. We sing, oh, why am I treating
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: so bad? Possible that because of the there were nine
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: children in Little Rock, Arkansas, trying to integrate Central High School.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: They would meet people.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: They these kids would walk up there every day their
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: books in their arms, proud, and people would throw stones
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: at them, spit at them, call.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: Them names, but they never turned their head. They just
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: kept walking.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: That's amazing. Oh and these they were my age, they
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: were you know.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 7: So we would all be on the floor popsing his
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: recliner and were watching the news. It got so bad
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: and it lasted so long. The mayor of Arkansas, of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: Little Rock, the governor of Arkansas, and the President of
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: the United States said, let those children go to school,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: and whoa I wanted to if we all wanted to
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: see this on the news. That particular day, the kids
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: were walking. They get right up to the bus and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: a policeman put his billy club across the door, and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 7: Pop said, right there, and he said, how why is
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: he doing that? Why are they treating him so bad?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: And he wrote that song from that experience.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: I tell you, we have had a baby's sister, I have.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: I have seen a lot. I have seen a lot,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: and and it.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: Just makes me more prayerful and more willing to sing
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: my songs, you know, because I I don't have to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: sing love. I don't have to be like everybody else.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: I've seen protest songs. I sing to help us.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Move it forward, moving forward, right, moving it forward, right,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: and we're still going.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: We're still going. Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: And and I owe it to Pop's I owe it
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: to my father. You know.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: We went to South Africa and these people wanted us
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: to sing, want the black people to be in the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: balcony Johannesburg, And Pops told him, he said, no, I'm
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: anna allow my children to sing like he said. Doctor
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: King just got that straightened out in the States, and
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: we're not gonna sing like that. They said, now you
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: can send us home. Do what you got to do.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: We're not singing like. So they moved our show to
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: the soccer field and so waito, wow, it's a wait,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: it's all it's all black.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: You know, this is where the people live in little
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: match boxes. And it was the very first time that
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: blacks and white sit together, no kind of I mean
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: that that soccer field was backed yeah, and and black
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: and white were sitting right next to each other. And
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: but they had these I've never seen a German shepherd
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: dog so big. The bit the police was walking around
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: with them, you know, I guess for just in case
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: something went wrong.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: But it was peaceful.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: But see, during that time, they wouldn't let us go
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: downtown by ourselves.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: That must have been hard to go at all it was.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: They wouldn't allow it.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: The kids would tell me, if we will call you,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: we will come see you. If they call my my.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Calls would go to the white girl's room.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: She would be there and she would she would take
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: her and she wouldn't let the kids talk to me.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: They wouldn't let them in the hotel.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: That It was very educational, very beautiful experience and.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Intense intense, intense.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, you've been on tour though since the podemic a lot.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: You've got to tour in these little pockets. And I'm
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: really excited to hear that I haven't at all yet.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: What I just haven't not since the the COVID started.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know, I'm excited that you're out there
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm going everywhere you're going.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: And we booked now through November. You're doing a tour
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: with Bonnie Ray the Center. I always do it. That's amazing.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: That'll be my third tour.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: We've known her a long time, right, Oh, yes, she's great.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: You know that's going to be a show.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: I tell you. Oh, it's always good show. Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 7: But I used to be jellous of Bonnie. My father
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: loved us so much.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: You're jealous.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: And I told us, I said, look, I didn't know
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: if I should get some red hair, or if I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: should learn how to play to get taught, or if
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: I should get real tiny because poss love. Yeah, and
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: she loved she came to see she came to the
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: hospital Seapop when he was sick. Wow, And and Bonnie
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: took me so bad. Pop went upstairs.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: He wasn't feeling good, and he went upstairs to lie down.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: She followed him. She sit on the bed and she said,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: now nobody can tell me I haven't been in pop
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: Stable bed.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: That's Bonnie, Yeah, that's Bonnie.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: It was funny, Yeah, it's funny, but it was so good.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: Made Possib feel so much better. He gave her a guitar.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: He had to get there, and all of us were there.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: We sang, that's beautiful.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: It was it was.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Isn't it something? How music keeps you going? Yes, it
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: really keeps Yes, it keeps you young, It keeps you young,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: and it's healing. Yeah, and it brings joy.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: And right, and we can't do without music. I know,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: no way.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I get that feeling from you.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, yeah, I passed it on the passing it,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: but well, I tell you, yours brought me so much.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: I wish could, Oh, I wish I could play watch
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: him play guitar in the person.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: You know what you would do?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: He would tell me that's the way. Oh no, that's
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: you know who else?
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: You know who else gave me that feeling? Always was
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Levon Helm Is that right?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: He gave me that.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Feeling where he just it was just all music and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: it kept.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: Him going and just you know, oh man, And.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: I remember the first time I saw you on TV,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: was watching The Weight on the Last Walls and I thought,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: my goodness, she is beautiful.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: And she's smoking all of that. I couldn't believe it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: I was just like, and you looked six feet tall,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: and you look so tall.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: For me, it's yes, yeah you do. We had on
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: those long black gown.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: It was beautiful.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: Oh man.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: I mean I'd heard your singing my whole life, but
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: it was the first time I zerre it in and visually.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was nice. I know you had our
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: long friendship with Levon.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: Oh lord Levon. I have an album coming out with Levonne.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: Wow and and and uh.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: We we did it at his barn and he was
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: right next to me and with them drums.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: But but I tell you about it.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: When we when we were doing les Walt, Levon was
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: smoking and Pops went back to we had a break, Levon,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: Pops go back. They were tight buddies Levon and Pops said, Levon, man,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: you smoking two cigarettes. He had a cigarette and Levon said, all.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: You gotta try this one. I don't think they were
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: the same. Yeah, they were not the same.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: Papa said, Levon, I don't think that messed but that
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 7: that Daddy laughed about that forever.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: He laughed about that.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: But yeah, Levonne, that was the best time because we
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: stayed there about a week. We you know, we would
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 7: go back to the barn every day from the hotel.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: And making the record.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So when did you make it? About ten years ago?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, because I was gonna say, look, are you
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: all gonna release this record? Am I going to be?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: Didn't gone or what? But yeah, they it's coming I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: think in May.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, yeah, I can't wait to hear it.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: It's been a long time and I love it.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: You know that he's gone, especially, it'll be so special, right.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: And Amy Amy helped, you know. I told her to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: tell her about it. I said, Amy, the didn't need
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: to release the record. Yeah, you know, we end up
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 7: in age and we might leave here me so she said,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: you gotta going good. But yeah, that was that was
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: a proud time.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Did you do what the songs? Did you do with Levan?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Did you do all old songs? Did you do that
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: that Nina Simone version, that's a Billy Taylor song, isn't it.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: I wish I knew how it would feel to be free.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: That's a Billy Taylor song.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: That's what my my my phone said when I googled it,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: because I mean the Nina version is. But I think
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: it's that Billy Taylor wrote it, really, and I it's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: so funny. I saw him play. Yeah, And when I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: was in high school, I didn't realize that. Yeah, but yeah,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: that's a great song. Did you record that with Levan? Yeah?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: I wish I knew. And and we recorded Trouble in Mine? Oh,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: I love that one in mine?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and and uh ohh, I love some Nina Nina.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: Did you know her?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: Yes, well yeah, yes, And she was someone I met
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: whose voice was heavier than mine.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and boy she was.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: I saw her first saw her in the village gate
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 7: and she had on a white she was playing that
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  Speaker 7: piano and and and all of.
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  Speaker 4: The sudden and people dawn. She stopped and stood up.
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  Speaker 6: Do you people have cotton in your ears?
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  Speaker 4: Whoa?
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  Speaker 7: She told them off, because they were talking, you have
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  Speaker 7: cotton in your ears?
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  Speaker 6: And I said, whoa, go on, sister, But yeah, we
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  Speaker 6: got to know, we got to be very good friends.
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  Speaker 4: That we were.
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  Speaker 6: We were in the Bahamas, though last time I saw
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  Speaker 6: her we were in the Bahamas.
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  Speaker 7: And uh, then she moved to New Guinea where Miriam
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  Speaker 7: mckibo was and and uh she passed.
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  Speaker 4: Away over there.
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  Speaker 7: But but baby's sister, we were in New Guinea, don't
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  Speaker 7: you know. These little guys they were in the auditorium
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  Speaker 7: where we were singing.
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  Speaker 6: They want to have a coup against the president of somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Oh God. And we got to.
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  Speaker 7: The show and we're standing at the door, Pops and
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  Speaker 7: my sister and I and this man is saying that's
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  Speaker 7: all we could understand was you know, and and he
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: was telling them. So they still came in with the guns.
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  Speaker 7: And they stood on the side of the stage in
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: the wings where we were, and as I was singing,
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  Speaker 7: I would look over there a little bit and it
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  Speaker 7: would be just dancing.
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  Speaker 4: That is crazy. Yeah, y'all, don't scared us to death.
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  Speaker 2: You have gone to some wild times places you've you've
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  Speaker 2: had it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeow. Yeah, So we made it through that one.
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  Speaker 2: I do have one more question, if you feel comfortable
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: talking about it. Yeah, I was curious about songwriting and this.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: How were you told me yesterday. Yeah, that broke my heart.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's been so long ago that I'm surprised.
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  Speaker 4: I even brought it up. I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Somebody said something about a songwriting and it did this man.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I had written my three songs and he
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  Speaker 7: was at Stax Records. He wanted all of my publishing.
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  Speaker 5: Yea.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm telling him on the phone, telling him, no,
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  Speaker 7: I'm singing twelve songs on the album. You know, you
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  Speaker 7: take all that pubblish but mine. My father's always taught
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  Speaker 7: me I should get one hundred percent of my writers
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  Speaker 7: and publishing. And he talked to me like, all right,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 7: miss Stables, all right, I understand, yes, all right, We'll
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: do as you like. And I'm thinking I've won. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: the record come out and and it's it's on a
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  Speaker 7: different label or something, and uh, it's me singing.
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  Speaker 4: And then they have songwriter unknown and a song you wrote. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the songs that I wrote.
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  Speaker 7: Wow, And I said, well, you know, it was so
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  Speaker 7: long ago, you know, no need of me trying to
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  Speaker 7: fix this now.
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  Speaker 4: But that broke my heart. And you didn't write after that.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't write anymore songs.
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  Speaker 2: But that's that's the sad part. But but you still
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: make all songs your own. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: just you know, that stuff happened so much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah back then.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's a shame the way people are treated.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: You know, it's not just me, you know. I'm sure
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  Speaker 6: the record business has.
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  Speaker 4: Been tricky, tricky, tricky, tricky, but it was much trickier
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: back then. Yeah, yeah, way back.
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  Speaker 7: That was and and and and I was doing stuff.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I was afraid because I was these were
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: these were secular songs, yeah, and and and you do
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: something secular against the gospel stuff. I was lucky. I
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: don't know how it happened. I recorded houses, not a home.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: I recorded a second and and the church people didn't
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: say nothing about it.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because you you got in trouble for that.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 7: I could have got could but they didn't. You know
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: what they messed with. I'll take you there. They wanted
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: to put us out of church. Wow, they say, the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: stable singers and singing the devil's music. Wow, the devil music.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 7: I said, you all, you gotta listen to our lyrics.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: They heard this beat and then the people would jump
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: up and dance, and I'll take you there, you know,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: because but up until I'll take you there, we just
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: sang with my father's guitar.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: We didn't have no rhythm section. Yeah, we just sing
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: with dad his guitar.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: And and but when this rhythm section came on, I'll
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: take you there singing.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: The Devil's it sounded different.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: Look, we're telling you I know a place. Ain't nobody crying?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, ain't nobody world.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: That's a gospel song, taking you to heaven? Yeah, I mean,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: and and lo and behold.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 7: After all the interviews we did talking to these people,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: they invited us back to church.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: We go back to church.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: The first song requested in the pool bit I'll take
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: you there.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I said. You know you just don't
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: know what to do to please people.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: It's true. That's why you gotta just speak your truth,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: sing your truth right and spread some love.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Spread love, put out love, Yes, put it out there,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: and that's what you do. I'm gonna do it. I'm
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: gonna keep on doing it. You are my favorite fall
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: of love. You, my little sweetheart. I love you so much.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: Do you have one more song in you?
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Or can I play? Can I play you a song?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: And you chime in if you want.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we'll end it. We can.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Let's do it the album. Pops made the album uh
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: that song friendship, Oh yes, and then Jeff and the
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: crew they kind of fixed it up right and and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: recorded all recorded like you weren't happy with it, and it.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: Never got that's right.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: And tweety did all that for Pop's album. That was
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: that's his last work, and I wanted it. I wanted
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: to put it out there, but I wanted to put
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: it out properly and write.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: And so he.
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  Speaker 2: Re recorded all the stuff that you weren't happy with, right. Yes,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: he took the tracks of Pops and you guys singing,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Was so pleased.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: I come up in here to listen and tears just flowed.
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  Speaker 18: You know.
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  Speaker 6: My sister Vaughn and I we we came to check
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: it out.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: J It's a beautiful recording and it's a great song.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: That's a pop song.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a good song. It's a really good song.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: Say watch my longtime friend, something's bothering You tell me
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: what the problem is.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: I see what I can do.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: There's a times we disagree. We agree more that we don't.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: We won't always see I do lie.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: But we will more than we won't because we.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 17: Got our friendship, the kind of last life time.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: Through all the timeships.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: You know you're a friend of mine. We got our friendship, the.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Kind of last life time, through all those hardships.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: You know you're a friend of mine.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: You want to sing, what oh.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: Talk to me, oh parle of mine? If you feel
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: you can't go home, don't you sweat. It ain't over yet,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: this spawn with Shelly Strong. I've been awall. You are
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: right now. You saw me through it all. I lean
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 6: on you now you can lean on me. I bet
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: I won't lady you fall because we got friendship kind
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: of lasts a life time through all the hardship.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: You know you're a friend of mine because we got
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: fast ship, the kind.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: Of lasts life time. Who are those harships? You know
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: you're a friend of mine. If you're on the street,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 6: I'll take your hat.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: You're hungry, I'll give you food.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: God if it's money you need.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: I got some saved. If you're sick, I'll visit you.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: I've been with you all right now, you saw me
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: through it all.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: I'll lean on you now.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: You can lean on me.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 17: I won't let you fall because we got friend ship,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 17: the kind of last live time.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: Through all hardships.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: You know you a friend of Miney, we got friend
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: ship kind of last life time.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 9: As you know you're a friend of mine through all.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: The hard ships.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: You know you're a friend of.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: Mine, through all the hard shops.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: You know you're a friend of mine. I had a
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: fight that came from Crime Girl. I love that song
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: and I love you. Thanks for thanks for talking with me.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 7: I'm so happy. I'm so happy you invited me. I've
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 7: never done one of these. What do you call it
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 7: a podcast?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: Podcast?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm honored that you joined me. Thank you, Maavi.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: You are loved by all who know you. Ask for everything, always.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: Love it.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 14: Just playing alone, Thanks for listening to the show that
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 14: was made a Staples incredible.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a fun way.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: I just want her to call me and tell me
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: everything's going to be okay.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: I believe her.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: We should just call her, Hey, can you tell me
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: everything's gonna be okay?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: I'm sure she probably needs to hear it too.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's true, Yeah, it's true, she is not alone.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: In fact, let's let's wrap this up so we can
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: go call her. How much thanks for listening to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Our show was recorded by Mark Greenberg at The Loft
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: in Chicago, mixed by Jamie Landry and additional engineering by
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Greg Tobler. Produce by Me and Sarah Oda Sarah Oda
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  Speaker 2: and WA photography by Shervin Linez.
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  Speaker 4: Artwork by Eliza Fry. See you Later,